IF YOU ARE LIVING CURRENTLY IN THE UNITED STATES READ THIS POST

>>133366411
Thank you for posting this.

I would like to apologize on behalf of the fat lazy Americans who can't be bothered with any of this, and when it goes through they still won't do anything.

Have a wonderful day.

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>burgers too busy posting in trump generals to care
>eventually they have to pay a fee to access /pol/
>burger population slowly dies out
>leafs take over
all according to plan

>>133366411
Bump you fucking burgers. I see your fat fuck walking your dog or baby (does it matter to you faggot?) scrolling through life and being a waste of space. Do something.


Fuck.

>>133366411
no the niggernet need to be cut down

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>>133366411
but t_d said daddy god emperor trump must be supported no matter what

>>133368082
Enjoy not being able to shitpost as a result of your stupid ass thinking this is funny.

>>133368082
(((you)))

>>133366411
hey burgers just emigrate! worked for me

>>133368378
Tech giants are mainly in the US and Canada, not in France. So unless you plan on exclusively using the small amount of .fr websites and nothing else for the rest of your life, I suggest you start putting your fucking back in for this.

Fuckin bump, where are the yanks at?

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>>133368082
mostly passive aggressiveness but im just bumping

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Bamp for justice

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>>133366411
I don't give a fuck what they do as long as I can get on my Xbox and call 12 year olds faggots on Call of Duty. Eat shit bong. Quit worrying about my country. Does it say 4chan.uk? No it doesn't so go away.

>>133366411
I'm just glad that if net neutrality dies, I might have an option other than spectrum at some point.

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>>133366411
Bump a lot.

>>133369706

Kek, you burgers deserve everything you get.

>>133366411

seems like I read this same post every year

man these jews are persistent

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>>133366411
if they actually start charging for websites something WILL happen

>>133367050
Patience my friend, our day will come soon, this board will be pure.

>>133369799

Digits confirm!

>>133369799
they deserve way worse

Fuck off net neutrality is bad or else trump wouldnt be killing it.

>>133369706
You are fucking disgusting and deserve whatever horrible fate befalls you.

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BUUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPP

>>133366411
Net neutrality is a fucking lie. The current system doesn't protect an open internet and the proposed changes don't either.

The current rules are written to protect the profits of companies like Google and Netflix The proposed changes shift the protection to the likes of Comcast and AT&T. The best result regular users can hope for in the current debate is that the rules get changed. That keeps the two sides fighting and makes it harder for them to turn on us.

hey if this does happen will 4chan allow proxies from the usa, or will this not help either?

>>133370327
That's not gonna help in the slightest.

>>133366411
>They're totally gonna start charging to visit the web!!
>$9.99 per click--no kidding guys!!
>4chan will be gone forever
>we've gotta do something! Net neutrality!

I don't for a second believe they will limit our uninterrupted access to the porn/purchasing/brainwashing service that is the internet.

Everything is compromised, even 4chan et. al The internet was Armanet before anything.

I hope I'm never able to visit 4chan again. I hope everyone has to stop using the internet. I hope the entire world returns to a pen-and-paper system. Not memeing.

>>133370061
As weird as it is to say, I trust Google and Netflix more than the isp niggers

>>133370555
Then you're actively helping to destroy your own goal.

>>133370724
Explain. I just don't buy any of this shit. The internet is a tool of control, it would be totally against ((their)) interests to suddenly prevent people from buying shit online and scrolling for hours through meaningless advertisements and brainwashing porn.

WHY WOULD ((THEY)) DO IT, BRITAIN? EXPLAIN TO ME. I WENT TO BURGER SCHOOL.

>>133369820
>ISPs are the least satisfying industry in America, according to the latest ratings from the American Customer Satisfaction Index
http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-with-worst-customer-service-2013-5

They wouldn't care until it hurts their wallet, but the only way you can hurt their wallet is by not using the internet at all and that's not plausible. You don't have much choice in the US when it comes down to ISPs.

>>133370854
What makes you think they wouldn't keep the porn/shopping sites and block "problematic" ones

>>133370938
Shekel status: denied https://archive.is/O74HN

>>133370979
Lmao God damn that was fast

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>>133366411
hopefully /pol/ can be unanimous on this, and not disagree with it just to be ironic or edgy. Just this once.

We've had what is basically a 100% privatized ISP market in the U.S. since the internet has been around. It has failed us. Consumers here typically only have one or (rarely) two choices for internet in their area, due to severe monopolization. Once an ISP takes over an area, they have little to no incentive to improve speeds or upgrade hardware.

It is holding us back. The U.S. is one of the slowest nations in the world in terms of endpoint bandwidth. I firmly believe that the the internet needs to be regulated just like power or water in communities. It is a human right, and some corporation should not be able to determine what speed you get, what you get to see online, and when you get to see it.

As much as I hate agreeing with liberal faggots, and companies like Leddit, they're right on this one. (((internet service providers))) will get way too much power if we let them.

>>133370854
I think it's pretty clear that they can/will throttle or block anything with a dissenting opinion.

>133370979
not sure if script or completely artistic dane
test: http://www.businessinsider.com/privacy-policy

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>>133369799
Sure do. I'm about to walk into a store and buy top grade weed without any red tape associated. I deserve it.

>>133370978
You're implying any sites are "problematic."

They need 4chan to continue existing because

A. Most of the "subversive" material generated and distributed here is disinformation designed to thwart real political movements

and

B. They use these places to monitor us and use the data for social engineering purposes.

It's worth more money to ((them)) to keep the internet "free."

Do you honestly think they'd prefer you to NOT use the internet? They want you and me to turn our eyes to goo looking at this stuff, not be outside physically organizing friends and community members.

>>133371094
>As much as I hate agreeing with liberal faggots, and companies like Leddit, they're right on this one. (((internet service providers))) will get way too much power if we let them.
This.

>>133370854
BECAUSE "THEY" ARE IN THE CORPORATIONS YOU'RE SO FUCKING WILLING TO GIVE THE BIGGEST TOOL EVER INVENTED SINCE FUCKING ELECTRICITY FULL CONTROL OVER.
Are you seriously so fucking naive that you think people are just gonna stop using the Internet if this passes? The Internet is absolutely vital to so many parts of life and work, and "they" know it and want to skim as much as humanly fucking possible, nobody can just stop using the fucking Internet forever because that is literally impossible.

>>133371100
Undoubtedly, but we already don't have access to these places on the "free" web.

4chan, arguably filled with the most "dissenting" opinions, will never be shut down--it is a honeypot.

Reddit, facebook, 4chan--whatever websites we even use are all just to gather data, sell us shit, and use our data for future social engineering and A.I.

Where did all these NN shills come from? NN was nothing more than a FCC power grab that does nothing to solve the underlying problems with US ISPs. In fact it would make it worse by turning corporate ISPs into de facto monoplies regulated as public utility.

>>133371362
>B. They use these places to monitor us and use the data for social engineering purposes
They don't need to monitor if they control all of the content and can suppress any and all dissent.

>Do you honestly think they'd prefer you to NOT use the internet?
It's not an attack on the WHOLE Internet, just the parts they don't like. The goal is to have more control. It's some shit right out of 1984

>>133371429
>vital to business
>vital to human life
>vital to work
>greatest mind control tool

Yeah, let's just make this impossible for people to access! That'll show them!

You really think they care about our pennies, you rude fucking Bong? Go watch your state regulated programming--you're already living in a world of corporate and state censorship.

>>133367050
If leafs bring back old emoticons i'm fine with it

>>133371669
>The parts they don't like

Okay, I'm arguing with children.

THE INTERNET IS NOT A SAFE SPACE YOU RUBES. THERE IS NO PART THEY DON'T "LIKE." THERE IS NO PART THEY DON'T CONTROL OR ALREADY MONITOR.

I will eat my words if this passes and I have to start paying for the internet, but ultimately I know that Americans would rather not use it than pay for it.

I just don't see how this could possibly be feasible for them to start charging every single internet user. It is a mind-numbingly tumblr-tier stupid plan.

>>133371245
So it IS someone actually sitting there scrolling through shitposts for hours. That's amazing.

>>133371363
AHAHAAHHAAHAHAH XDDDDDDDDDDD

>>133366411
if your ISP blocks or charges for the sites you want to use why not just change to another ISP? A bigger concern for me is that the Government in the UK can tel ISP's to block sites which is utter bullshit

>>133371703
They're not gonna make it impossible to access you muppet. The fact is because it's so vital they know they can charge an arm and a leg more to users it because nobody is gonna say no because they fucking can't.

>>133370979
The use of scrapers, bots, or other automated posting or downloading scripts is prohibited. Users may also not post from proxies, VPNs, or Tor exit nodes.

http://www.4chan.org/rules#global14

(((>>133368082)))

>>133370665
I don't. ISP are just greedy vultures. Google and Netflix are greedy moralizing vultures. At least with the ISP I'm sure they're just trying to fleece me. With Google and Netflix, they're trying to fleece me and brainwash me with LGBTBM bullshit.

>>133371094
Monopolies exist because of regulation in favor of these companies you double nigger. There is no competition in your area between service providers because the ones who get there first lobby to your local government to prevent any competition from moving in.

>>133371899
>but ultimately I know that Americans would rather not use it than pay for it
When was the last time you talked to a normal? You think they would survive without their minion memes and twitter? They'll pay anything to get to those.

>I just don't see how this could possibly be feasible for them to start charging every single internet user. It is a mind-numbingly tumblr-tier stupid plan.
>they already track and monitor everything but it's impossible to charge users for the things being tracked and monitored.

>>133372050
>They fucking can't

Typical British mentality. This is why there was a revolution.

I guess we'll see, Bong. I think your reasoning is flawed. They want more things to be free--apps, especially. They don't want the internet to suddenly be used by the roughly 15 Americans who'd be willing to pay for it.

Again, I will eat my words if/when this happens as you say. But, honestly, I think a major disruption of the internet is only good for society. The only thing the internet enables us to do is make shekels for Mr. Noseburg on the weekends.

>>133372022
>f your ISP blocks or charges for the sites you want to use why not just change to another ISP
They all have the same (((boss))), and sometimes you don't have an option in isp

Just emailed that nigga Peter Roskam, my congressman, about it. You guys HAVE to email your congressman.

net neutrality is pretext for gov control and censorship
net neutrality is regulatory capture play to ossify monopoly power
read history of progressive regulation (fed reserve, big pharma, big agri, etc.)
it's pitched as gov protecting consumer, but always used as gov erecting regulations to prevent market entry and protect monopolies
if you want a free internet, fight against the municipal level laws preventing ISP competition at local levels

>>133366411
Bump of hope.

>>133372258
>They'll pay anything to get to those

Perhaps true, but there really aren't that many people who could even afford to access the internet as consistently as they do now--even if they wanted to.

Why would ((they)) want less data, less ad revenue, less metric data, less information in general? The internet is more useful to ((them)0 as a free "tool" than as a pay-per-use.

>>133372176
Fair enough, but companies liken Google at least are constantly pushing tech, inventing new shit all the time. Though a lot of it is to promote lbgtqlmnop bullshit. Companies like att only make upgrades and innovations when they are forced to, usually by smaller competitors. They don't give a fuck about actually providing value to customers, just maximizing the profit margin.

pump

>>133372424
>You guys HAVE to email your congressman.
How much you paying? I need an incentive

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>>133366411
remember when google helped us and didnt cuck us with liberal propaganda? What fucking happened?

>>133372648
>Why would ((they)) want less data, less ad revenue, less metric data, less information in general? The internet is more useful to ((them)0 as a free "tool" than as a pay-per-use.

Perhaps. Though I still think they are more after the control component than the pay-per-play shekels

>>133368082

All that would be left is niggernet. It's the white net that would fall.

>>133372881
Google is one of the most Jewish tech companies, literally

>>133366411
No, net neutrality is the take over of internet content by the FCC. It is not a solution and the entire issue is a false dilemma.

The solution is breaking up the ISP monopolies. Not giving the government an ability to censor the internet.

>>133366411
Net neutrality does not benefit us in any way.

Fuck you and your net neutrality. I hope Telefonica will sap all your money and make Spain rich.

Net Neutrality is a government power grab in sheep's clothing.

>>133371094
I dont know what it does nor do i care The fact that king nigger pushed hard for this net neutrality shit is enough for me to be against it.

Home internet is degenerate and should be illegal.

>>133373098
M8, don't be that stereotype

>>133368082
The internet was a mistake anyway

>>133372960
Suck a dick, literally

>>133372186
right, so your options are:

1. remove regulations. This results in ISP's having all the power.

OR

2. Make the Internet a public utility, regulated by the LOCAL government.

Option 2 wins every time. Even if we did away with the lobbyists, it is still very difficult to get healthy competition. Do some research on Municipal broadband anon... it is ALWAYS faster, better, and unrestricted.

>>133373251
That was rude

>>133372359
Agree with you on it being a good for society. One thing I am scared of though is internet companies censoring dissenting opinion, especially (((hate speech)))

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>>133373491
Eat shit

>>133366411
>net neutrality
albania tier internet
vote orangutan-get fucked

>>133371819
Question are you actually pro peace or are you just shit posting?

>>133374160
:(

>>133368082

:- Heavy niggernet user

>>133370555
>I don't for a second believe they will limit our uninterrupted access to the porn/purchasing/brainwashing service that is the internet.

See: Comcast shake-down of Netflix.

>>133372022
>why not just change to another ISP?


Bong, most Americans do not have that choice and in some areas it is literally illegal to set up a competing ISP

>>133373098
cmon man, this isn't even a partisan issue. He's pushing for he because he knows everyone else is, so he can get good-nigger points.

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No more burger posters?

Sounds good to me!

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>>133366411
>say goodbye to 4chan
No I wont you stupid fuck. I use a proxy to lurk and post and I will continue to use a proxy should my ISP block 4chan.

Frankly, I wish all ISPs would begin blocking 4chan immediately. The quality of this board would skyrocket as newfags and tech illiterates would be at a loss. That will teach you for giving your ISP all your 4chan info.

>>133366411
>If you somehow do not know what net neutrality is, it's the legislation that keeps your ISP from charging the use of or just outright banning websites from your access.

Blatantly untrue. Net neutrality is the principle that ISPs should treat all data equally on their lines regardless of its source or destination. Whether it's a youtube video, a video game, a website, etc.

The reason ISPs want it isn't because they want to Jew out consumers, it's because they want to Jew out businesses. Certain highly popular websites like Netflix and Youtube, Amazon and Google, consume vast amounts of data indiscriminately, shitting up the lines of many ISPs with literally petabytes of data. Is it wrong for a private business to want to charge those companies more, because as it stands they pay just as much to comcast as any other person.

>but the ISPs are going to lock everybody's websites down into hundreds of packages and throttle everything
This is really a false reality being pushed onto you by supporters of net neutrality. As it stands, the internet is not under title II and many misguided liberals and corporate shills would hve you believe that putting the internet under government regulation is the only way for this to not occur. But until 2015 there were no rules against net neutrality, and there was not this fragmented internet. That is a dystopian fiction made up by (((Google))) (((Amazon))) and (((Facebook)))

>>133375738
Finally, removing net neutrality promotes competition in the marketplace, which time and time again has been proven to be beneficial for the economy

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>>133375738
Good post, anon.

Can any Bongs/Leafs counter this line of reasoning?

>>133375727

From another thread:

Ah, another idiot that doesn't actually know how VPNs work

Spoiler alert: Your VPN traffic does not magically teleport from your modem to your VPN provider's servers. It is still routed through your ISP to them.

>B-b-but its encrypted so they can see shit or do shit!

First one? Yes, and for the time being that is fine. The second one? Nope, nope, nope; some ISPs have been talking about throttling large encrypted or "odd" packet streams on principle for a while now. Now with nothing on the horizon stopping them from spying on your usage as much as they want they can throttle the shit out of you and claim you are streaming Dora The Explorer Episodes illegally to ISIS and that's why they can't see your traffic.

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>>133366411
Just called my reps office. He'll take care of it.

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>>133370555
Lights out fags, the fun is about to start.

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>>133372167

This tbqh >>133375727
Net neutrality is the number one reason pl*bbtiors have free access to this website

>>133375668
>implying this wouldn't effect every single U.S. website
>especially one that is hated by normies, like 4chan

anon, this definitely affects (you)

>>133372881
They don't care because they know we'll turn to their website anyway. Until, at least, isps make their own search engines and such that we can get for free/cheap and Google suddenly finds itself in free-fall.

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>>133376444
Checked.

>>133375727
>supporting legislation that fucks consumers in the ass, just so the quality of your board goes up infinitesimally
anon, you might be retarded.

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>>133376138
>ISPs have been talking about throttling large encrypted or "odd" packet streams
What an absolute network illiterate you are. All HTTPs packets are encrypted. There's no way for your ISP to tell what's an "odd" HTTPs packet.

In fact, there's no such thing as an "odd" packet. You're literally making shit up and pretending to be an expert. Do you really making up an "odd packet" was going to make you sound intelligent? If you are going to bullshit, you could have at least used a more technical word than "odd". Now KYS.

>>133375738
google are in a difficult palce, they provide content servers to avoid the unbalanced peering agreements and run their own private fiber networks which keeps startups out, if there is net neutraility people might start asking for access or the same rates at least and they've wasted all that money.
Americas problem is the last mile and net neutraility will do nothing to fix it hence why nobody else around the world gives a fuck about it.

>google, netflix, reddit, facebook, amazon, twitter all opposed to it
We that settles it for me. Fuck net neutrality if these are the (((companies))) having a temper tantrum over it.

>>133376978
They take issue with it because literally 90% of their traffic will die.

>>133376978
But then you'll be supporting the ISP jews

>>133376906

>He doesn't understand why I put odd in ""

It is not a networking term, which is why I put it in quotes.

>Then what is it

It will be the justification when the ISPs start sending people letters just like the torrenting strike letters that they have been sending.


If the ISPs cannot read your traffic and sell it then literally nothing will stand in their way from throttling the shit out of you and they have been floating the idea for years at this point.

>>133377139
Anything those SJW propaganda pushing kikes are against is good in my eyes.

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(((net neutrality)))

>>133377177
ISP's aren't trying to brainwash my children with fucking multiculti tranny shit.

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>Net Neurtality supporters: fedora-tipping, godless Redditors who spend $15 per month on a VPN that they only use for anime porn, or partisan organizations like the EFF and ACLU
>Net Neurtality opponents: the President of the United States

On one side stands the cucks, on the other side stands Trump. I know who I'm supporting.

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>>133376891
>Not wanting to fuck idiot consumers
Idiot consumer detected. The average internet "consumer" is responsible for Facebook and Reddit being top websites. The average video "consumer" is responsible for Big Bang Theory and Capeshit being top grossing media. The average food "consumer" is responsible for Mcdonalds and Olive Garden being top franchises.
Are you actually going to defend these people? Don't you know where you are?
Barriers to entry always increase the quality of an establishment. Without any barriers you get a shitshow of low quality plebian consumers.

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Stop this. Use the link on top of the page and send a mail. Google a US zipcode, make up an email and adress.

Take action now please. Dont listen to retards, u do not want this.

>>133377491
>Information equality

What sort of post-modern marxist bullshit is this?

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>>133377968
it gets better >>133377805

>>133373250
The internet is as big a mistake as it is a win. It's my greatest cognitive dissonance at the moment. If 'net neutrality' dies, however, the internet will not die. It will become way more mistake than it is win. On that I have no doubt.

>>133369950

People like you have no critical thinking skills at all. You should speak to your doctor about taking an IQ test. You sound mentally defincient.

>>133373251
>google drone detected

>>133370061

Fuck off kikelberg. you've provided absolutely no evidence to support your claims. Just blatant accusations and insults.

Because you have none.

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>>133377205
>just like the torrenting strike letters that they have been sending
This is just sad. You are again digging yourself deeper and showing you have no real knowledge on the subject. I would have been happy to educate you, but you responded as if you knew what you were talking about.
People get torrenting strike letters because media watchdogs are monitoring torrents. The ISPs are only forwarding the watchdog request on to you.
The sad thing is, you anecdote literally proves my point. If you use a VPN to torrent, your real IP is hidden from the watchdogs and you won't get a strike notice. Even if you ISP became a first-party watchdog, you would still be free from their prying if you were using a VPN. QED.
Tech illiterates like you deserve to be shafted and should be purged from 4chan.

>>133376932
I agree 100%. Best way to fix it is probably to let innovation and technology run its course until fiber and other techs become so cheap that it becomes a non-issue.

>>133366411
>even fucking Democrat and voted for Clinton

Even? You dumbshit bitches voted for the dumbass that appointed people that want to destroy net neutrality.

>>133378409
>People get torrenting strike letters because media watchdogs are monitoring torrents


>HURR DURR I AM SUCH AN EXPERT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
>Very first point is bullshit


Yes, the media companies have a hand in the torrent strike letters but they are issued by the ISP in almost all cases and it is the ISP informing you that if you continue to use their network in a way they do not approve of they themselves will shut you off.

What exactly is stopping them from doing the same for encrypted traffic? Literally nothing since the FCC became the tools of the ISPs against their own consumer.

Again: They have been floating this idea for years, it is not something I put forward as a hypothetical.

>>133373041
Youre not seeing a single cent from Telefonica dumbass. I bet you're from the south.

>>133375931

>Which time and time again are proven to be beneficial for the economy.

Yeah Anarcho-capitalism is truly the best way to go.

>>133369706
>want access to the gaming package and have un-throttled internet for all your modern gaming needs?
>purchase now for $99.99 / month

you sperglords literally voted for this

enjoy your rex tillerson & ajit pai for the next six years, ahahahahaha

>>133378409


Oh and pre-emptively before your next round of stupid:

>HURR DURR THEY CAN'T DO THAT CUZ I SED SO!

They have already been caught testing it out on some markets:

https://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneutrality/articles/20141012/06344928801/revealed-isps-already-violating-net-neutrality-to-block-encryption-make-everyone-less-safe-online.shtml

>>133379277
oh yea, you easily swindled rubes got scott pruitt too

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>>133376444
I quoted trips to vaguely predict civil unrest and got trips of my own but only got noticed by a single fag.

4chan should have the power to do this thing

>>133379932
Too bad you're a redditor then kekfag.

>>133380074
not a redditor, but yes a kekfag

>>133368774
poor, poor burger

the net neutrality will only fuck with you in burger land.

and we did put our backs into it that's why we have net neutrality, the internet declared a human right so can't never be turned off, and faster and cheaper broad band than burger land. I pay 35 eur a month for 1 Gbit/s speed and absolutely no caps or throttling

so yeah emigrate bitch like I did or keep taking it up the ass from big pharma, big telcom, fake news, big insurance, no consumer choice cause every fucking thing in burger land is a monopoly.

>>133371252
burger education right here. weed for private consumption has long been legal in most European countries

>>133375668
only in burgerland burger, outside of burgerland 4chan will be normal since that's the law in europe

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>>133378807
>but they are issued by the ISP in almost all cases
Wrong. In all cases, a copyright notice is forwarded from you ISP to you from a watchdog group. An ISP can't issue you a warning for torrenting a copyrighted file, because they don't own the fucking copyright. 2 seconds of using your brain would have made you realize this. That was too much to ask though.

>>133379281
This article describes a small third party phone provider, not a large ISP. An improperly configured server on their part could easily be the cause of the slowdown, and a few tests are not proof of the clickbait headline.

>>133376138
only in burgerland, here that is against the law

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>net neutrality rules get repealed
>4chan gets blocked by all ISPs because it's too offensive
>all the retards arguing against net neutrality kill themselves because they don't have anywhere to shitpost

The sperglords on the_donald don't even care, lmao

I signed the petition over at change.org

>>133380753

>No it wasn't the ISP!
>Posts letter from the ISP

You are literally this retarded , who the fuck do you think has to confirm to the copyright holder who has the IP in question, send the letter and shut off that person's service?

>>133380753
>This article describes a small third party phone provider, not a large ISP

>He thinks that article is not one of dozens on several companies testing it out.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/starttls-downgrade-attacks

Oh and that one |leads| with Verizon injecting super-cookies to follow you just in case they can't sift through your encrypted traffic. But yeah, don't worry. There is no correlation between this shit happening in 2014 before the NN rules were implemented and ISPs were shifted to Title 2. Just go to sleep, Verizon and Comcastic has your back.

>>133366411
Fuck off

Net neutrality helps the biggest tech companies. It does not protect the little guy.

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>>133369706
dont even care if this is bait, fucking neck yourself

>>133366411
Cable companies are famous for high prices and poor service. Several rank as the most hated companies in America. Now, they're lobbying the FCC and Congress to end net neutrality. Why? It's simple: if they win the power to slow sites down, they can bully any site into paying millions to escape the "slow lane." This would amount to a tax on every sector of the American economy. Every site would cost more, since they'd all have to pay big cable. Worse, it would extinguish the startups and independent voices who can't afford to pay. If we lose net neutrality, the Internet will never be the same.

>>133382114
>3
Net neutrality is the principle that Internet providers like Comcast & Verizon should not control what we see and do online. In 2015, startups, Internet freedom groups, and 3.7 million commenters won strong net neutrality rules from the US Federal Communication Commission (FCC). The rules prohibit Internet providers from blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization—"fast lanes" for sites that pay, and slow lanes for everyone else.

>>133381615
Fuck off you dumb shill.

>>133381842
There isn't a free market. Near-zero interest rates have flooded the Valley with VC capital in an incredibly inefficient arrangement, and it's distorted the market. The market is thus dominated by a few grotesquely large conglomerates that stifle competition. "Net neutrality" does nothing to restore that competition and provide an actually free market. If net neutrality really provided advantages to smaller Internet players, then why are all the large conglomerates backing it to the hilt? This is a fight between the big cable providers and the big Silicon Valley firms -- Facebook, Google, Netflix. A large cartel is what wins either side of this fight, not the "free market."

Net neutrality is the idea that there should be a specific QoS setting required by law.
This locks in something that seems sensible based on current protocol usage.

>How is traffic shaping used by ISP?
It's used to allow more value to be delivered to customers using the same size pipe. It's used to gracefully degrade some less obvious aspects of the internet in favor of keeping others uninterrupted.

>What do ISPs actually do?
Sellers of residential bandwidth are in a business that is actually much more like finance than like a typical technology business. ISPs invest in bandwidth contracts and then they arbitrage the bandwidth based on actual demand.

If an ISP expects demand for bandwidth to be strong for 5 years, it may negotiate a 5 year contract with its upstream provider. Risk is being taken, and profits are made when the ISP can re-sell bandwidth for a profit.

The service being provided is that the ISP removes the need for consumers to make long-term projections about bandwidth, and removes the need for consumers to buy more bandwidth than they actually need.

Now think a bit more precisely about what the actual service an ISP provides is. It's an acceptable connection to the hosts that customers wish to access. If the ISP de-prioritizes youtube.com a bit so that its own VOIP offering can remain crystal clear during heavy usage, that should be completely up to the ISP.

If consumers don't appreciate 10ms more lag when accessing youtube, or similar minor degradations, they can switch to another ISP.

>>133382816
>Why does Google support net neutrality?
Google wishes to prevent ISPs from offering improved quality services for the "short head" of most popular content. Imagine if you could get ad-free, instant 4K streaming of the top 10000 videos on youtube directly from your ISP. This is where Google makes most of its money from youtube. Google can build a CDN near you, but it can't prioritize the last mile traffic shaping experience in a way that prevents ISPs from exploring business models like the one I've just described.

Google can't prevent it without laws like net neutrality, that is. Google wishes to lock in (by law) QoS that supports its own business model. What happens when you load a typical website? Lots of pixel traffic flies back and forth to Google/Doubleclick and market price ads are sold and delivered before you realize what happened. Google's massive profit infrastructure depends on local ISPs sticking only to bandwidth arbitrage.

>>133382914
In effect, net neutrality is a regulation very similar to financial regulations. It defines the characteristics of a residential bandwidth circuit, preventing ISPs from defining it their own way. Google wants this because the alternatives threaten Google's cash cow.¨

The problem is, many ISPs invested heavily in last mile buildout with the expectation that they could compete with Google by offering additional value delivered based on locality. All content providers are in the business of moving bits across space, and there are some kinds of content where local offers a big advantage. Many of these are yet to be discovered, as local circuit quality has been fairly poor since the origin of the internet. Net neutrality makes it far less likely that any of these will be explored.

Net Neutrality is the perfect propaganda name. There is no need for net neutrality because ISPs want to make customers happy, and if they fail to do so, another ISP will.
Imagine if we'd had net neutrality in the origin of the internet, ISPs today would be forced to allocate significant priority to Gopher and FTP traffic.

The last thing the internet needs is non-technical people creating regulation for it. I'm deeply disappointed that Google has let its own corporate interest drive its propaganda campaign for net neutrality. I have much more positive sentiment for Google than I do for Comcast, but I want Comcast to have a shot at doing something innovative.

>>133367050
Oh fuck.

>>133378996
>$99.99 / month
That is what I pay for internet

>>133369706
This is either b8 or a fucking retard. Either way eat a bullet.

>Argument against net neutrality generally is a neoclassical/liberal economic one.

Consider the "free data" plans prevalent in much of the developing world.

You get free data to access a limited set of services who have agreements with your mobile ISP.

FB pay (presumably) the ISP to be The (or part of the) restricted set of internet services provided to the consumer at subsidized (by FB) rates. Many people cannot afford the "real" internet access at full rates. But FB is willing to subsidize partial access for their own reasons

The individuals who choose these plans (assuming competition), are better off with cheap restricted access then none, or the more expensive full access.

I don't agree with this reasoning.

Adequate competition does not exist in ISP markets and FB's reasons for participating in walled gardens are anti-competitive, especially when it comes to new/small services that cannot negotiate with ISPs

>>133366411
Bump

>>133376444
>>133370555
Witnessed

Don't be a NN faggot. Giving the government more power has never, EVER been the correct solution to a problem. Once you give it away, you rarely if ever get it back.
NN opens the internet up to being summarily shut down by the government. Fuck that noise.

>>133372658
And that's why I prefer the ISPs. Google only innovates because they want to brain wash people better. ISPs innovates because profits and competitiveness.You can usually trust the latter to be more predictable. Google and Netflix though are propaganda pushers though.

>>133383691
>it's better if corporations shut it down

>>133377527
you're a retard. This doesn't just affect normies. In fact, in a typical scenario where net neutrality is abolished, websites like this one will be hurt much more than places like Facebook and Reddit.

Stop and think about it for a second. Let's say your ISP offers a couple different (((plans))). The more you pay, the more sites you can access, just like cable TV. You really think any of those (((plans))) are gonna let you go to 4chan.org?

>hurr durr I'll just use a VPN

Oh really? You think that every single user here will pay for a VPN to get here? No, they'll just stop coming here, and this board will go the way of all the other image boards that have died.

Normalfag websites that advertisers love will flourish, websites where controversial opinions reign free will suffer.

>>133372478
actually this desu

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tldr OP when do we get free unlimited 1gbps internet? I'm sick of poo internet when I wanna download bigass vidya games. Shit should be free and fast so I can play vidya easily.

>>133383836
I can't iamgine how people shill for Big Corporations that are fucking abusive to their customer. Like Google, Facebook, that don't have to answer to the Constitution like a public entitiy.

>>133383787
>Google and Netflix though are propaganda pushers though
That's true.

But their innovation isn't always specifically for brainwashing. Or at least it wasnt... Google in particular, would constantly launch new services to see if people like them, then if not, they'd kill it and move on. I mean shit, they started as a search engine and now make self driving cars.

>>133384164
>Like Google, Facebook, that don't have to answer to the Constitution like a public entitiy
Do you understand how laws work?

>>133384164
So far, all I have seen are people opposing it just to be contrarian, like that guy

or they oppose it to spite the companies that support it, like google, facebook, reddit, twitter, etc... companies that /pol/ hates. What they don't realize is that these companies only support net neutrality because their business models depend on an open internet to survive, not because of any (((political reason)))

>>133384164
People use that shit voluntarily. The sign up to be abused.

>>133384489
>What they don't realize is that these companies only support net neutrality because their business models depend on an open internet to survive, not because of any (((political reason)))
Is a good deed done for a bad reason not a good deed ?

>>133377384
How is Amazon doing that, where I can purchase several copies of the doctrine of fascism and other fascist memorabilia?

>>133384434
Google and FB don't have to uphold, protect and answer to the infringements of 1A.

>>133366411
>>133366667
>>133367050
>burgers too busy posting in trump generals to care
That's ShariaBleu shills.

>eventually they have to pay a fee to access /pol/
Capitalism.

>burger population slowly dies out
This has been happening since 1960s.

>leafs take over
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>133377655
>>133377629
>>133377553
You're clearly as retarded as the people in those pics. They think net neutrality will somehow shut down Infowars, and you seem to believe them so you oppose met neutrality.

>>133384684
Ah yea well that's true.

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Save the Net!

>>133384489
yes it is the environment that their companies survive in but is it not a better environment than the one suggested/>implied without 'Net Neutrality' even if it feeds those companies?

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>>133383691
>more power to the government never solves a problem
Wrong

>>133384662
that concept is exactly why I'm agreeing with google, facebook, leddit, twitter, etc in this case. They're shitbag globalist liberal companies, and I despise everything about them. They evade taxes, spy on people, and help the government oppress us.

But in this case our interests align.

>>133368082
wow, he said nigger, i guess that means I love comcast now!

>>133383798
We're fucked either way, the only correct way to solve this problem is to have congress write a law explicitly disallowing prioritization. Title II treats it like a utility, and utilities are subject to government overreach. Trump isn't going to fuck with us, but what about those who come after?

Net Neutrality has nothing to do with 4chan. It has to do with giant conglomerates like Google being able to create """ Premium """ content for subscribers and blocking the rest of the internet from accessing it.

>>133385709
What? They already do that with shit like YouTube red. It's nothing to do with subscriptions

>>133385418
Bingo

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>>133385709
ITP: actual Autism

>>133385816
example, You would in the future get shitty search results from google and limited youtube searches per day unless you used their new ISP service.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZGdzVBAIL0

Better download and keep a copy of "daily dose" so I can continue to take it everyday before I gotta pay for youtube. What is /pol/ archiving?

>>133385153
wording on your post kinda confuses me a bit. I'd much prefer a scenario where we keep our internet freedom, even if it allows these shitbag companies to stay in business. The former is so much more important than the latter.

>>133385599
You're right, but having them classified as Title II is more advantageous than the alternative that is outlined in the (((internet freedom act of 2017)))

Yeah lets give government (The Trump Administration) power over the internet!

>>133371363
>Day of the rope where hang niggers
>day of the rake when we exile leafs
>day of the grill where america hosts a bbq party and leafs arnt invited

>DUDE WE NEED NET NEUTRALITY OR ELSE OUR INTERNET COULD BECOME LIKE ALL THE OTHER UNREGULATED COUNTRIES THAT HAVE VASTLY, VASTLY SUPERIOR INTERNET TO US

What we need is someone who is willing to swing a huge anti trust hammer and break up the mega corps and monopolies.

But since neither party is willing to do that, welcome to Cyberpunk world.

>>133385599
>only correct way to solve this problem is to have congress write a law explicitly disallowing prioritization
Agree in the long run

>subject to government overreach
Example?

>>133366411
Yea let's give the Feds more control over the internet. What could go wrong?

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OP thinks that if NN is gone all ISPs will charge $200/month for basic internet and will have add on packages for Netflix and Facebook and there will not be one company to offer lower prices with greater access

>>133385992
Couldn't they do that anyway? Just with "Google gold accounts" rather than their own isps?

>

>>133385709
yes it does have to do with 4chan. This is a website where controversial opinions and offensive shit reigns. Any ISP's (((plans))) will either deliberately slow this site down or refuse service outright. This place is an advertiser's worst nightmare, so the ISP has no financial reason to give traffic to this domain.

Normalfag websites will flourish, imageboards like this will die.

>>133385816
and the reason they don't do well is because they can't get rid of the competition, with net neutrality they will get rid of the competition and make their Youtube Red the only tolerable way to use Youtube.

>>133386527
You're gonna give Comcast a huge boner

>>133368082
When the NEETs go psychotic due to the loss of their only source of entertainment or meaning in life, I hope they come to your house and slaughter you and I hope they make it as painful and excruciating as possible before ending your life. Fucking edgy ancap.

>>133366411
> it's the legislation that keeps your ISP from charging the use of or just outright banning websites from your access. If this is lost, then you can say goodbye to any heated argument you had on the Internet, any political site you might like, and most obviously, say goodbye to 4chan.

There was a time before net neutrality was adopted. I remember when this didn't happen. I was spamming nigger on /b/ freely with no hassle.

>>133386547
Yeah because this was happening before 'net neutrality' was an idea.

>>133386484
>not understand the core concept of how municipal internet works

Kill yourself.

>>133386547
This. Besides there is anti-Comcast/Verizon/AT&T material here. Why wouldn't private corp slow this site down for those in C/V/AT&T

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>>133386200
yeah it was a bit confusing, i was just saying even if companies gain profit off it, internet is better with net neutrality than without.

>>133386337

fuck off gook

>>133386581
>>133386581
>with net neutrality they will get rid of the competition and make their Youtube Red the only tolerable way to use Youtube.
Wait what? You mean without NN?

>>133385193
>he says as his posts a regime that killed more white europeans that anything else

>>133386754
>REEEEE WE MUST STOP OUR INTERNET FROM ENTERING THE 21ST CENTURY
>WE MUST KEEP IT AS BARBARIC AND PRIMITIVE AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN REMAIN THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD

>>133386670
Your "before" is before the (((internet freedom act of 2017)))

Have you read the bill?

if you don't stridently support net neutrality you're no better than a communist. I want you taken out

>>133386656
>5
That was before 4chan and Pepe Frog was in a national front as Hillary Clinton campaigned against a fucking meme frog and fake Macron crap was leaked to hurt him in French Election ehe.

>>133372478
Its almost like you want people to call you out for trolling. If you want to pay extra to access your favorite sites why not mail your isp a nickle everytime you go to google and never come back to /pol/ (you can larp that your isp banned it) but leave net neutrality alone for the rest of us.

>>133386856
>8
and before Fappening.

You people place so much faith on Big Corps that are owned most certainly by those you detest in your imaginations.

The only way this will create jobs is the thousands of internet users who might consider going into politics just to remove and shit on the tyranic internet use fees and make the internet great again.

Upvoted for visibility! Let's get this to the front page ASAP!!

>>133386983
>make the internet great again.
>America has the worst internet service in the world
>"we've got to keep it in the stone age! we've got to RESIST!"

>>133387150
How would this make it better nip?

>>133387150
But your country still sucks our dick, you can fuck off Jap. The legislation will be what puts the internet into the stone age, right now it's shit but it's shit that's full of freedom.

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>>133386824

>actual autistic screeching

sorry we aren't so dickless as to let a ISP not allow access to certain sites and/or only let us browse paying companies sites. it's actually sad to see that you've been degraded so much as a consumer that you think it's better than the alternative now. Brainwashing at it's finest. go swallow another nuke zipperhead.

>>133386730
Comcast and Verizon would get annihilated by Google if Net Neutrality gets taken away.

They would have to pay Google for their users access, all their subscription would subsequently rise, and they would also get sued every other day for their users breaching copyright infringements until they were bankrupt.

>>133380346
Kekfags are redditors, they invade our board, call themselves equals to us, adopt our memes, only to ruin it all and become the scum of 4chan itself.

>>133366411
Fuck off, faggot.

>>133366411
if you're wondering what ISPs will do if net neutrality is repealed, we already know.

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it. https://www.cnet.com/news/telco-agrees-to-stop-blocking-voip-calls/

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. http://fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/

2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money. https://www.freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place. https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet

>>133387555
Fucking cuck. You want to bend your fragile asshole to your ISPs and hand them money out of your own pocket for the night of fun you had then go ahead faggot but you disgust me.

>>133387669
Thank you for posting this. Jesus fuck

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Supporting NN means supporting jewgle, netflix, facebook, and other kosher sites. Being against NN means supporting jewish ISPs. It's jew vs jew and either way the goyim lose.

>>133387719
Cuck, you want to bend your fragile asshole to the government .

I inherently do not like laws passed for things that 'might' happen.

>>133387822
Retarded ancap, I'm glad the mods added flags since now I know who the scum of the earth are.

>>133387669

Verizon and Comcast are for Net Neutrality

Google and Facebook are against it.

If Net Neutrality is abolished Google and other innovators are free to sue the shit out of ISP providers and tax ISP companies for their users traffic. Subsequently Comcast and Verizon will also get be liable for their users copyright infringements and get totally choked out in expensive lawsuits.

The end of Net Neutrality means that companies like Time Warner will become Google and Facebook's bitch basically.

>>133387940
I don't need a flag to know you're a commie bootlicker.

>>133372176
google invents shit. everything they do is for gaining more ad money and power in the future.

>>133387809
>NN loses and Kikes Take complete hold of the internet it becomes a gigantic jewish shitfest

>NN wins, internet is still jewish shitfest except no bigger a jewish shitfest than it has been

>>133387809
Thats wrong faggot. With net neutrality you don't get charged extra to your jew isp for using jew services. Without it you do. So let me ask you, do you want to pay more for what you have while losing access to things you already have?

>>133366411
...wait kept? when was it NOT kept? I'm confused bro, I was for sure net neutrality failed when it was first out in front of congress like, what?

>>133388045
>doesn't use his own flag due to lack of nationalism
>accuses others of being commies and bending to the government while cucking himself for the kikes
You're a walking mistake.

>>133388159
All this is solved through a free market!

>>133388235
Oh yeah, I'd love to have the flag used by the country that dropped nukes on the Japanese, bombed the middle east, destabilizes other countries, meddles in foreign elections, spies on the entire world, and calls itself the leader of the free world.

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>>133388024
>Verizon and Comcast are for Net Neutrality
>Google and Facebook are against it.
you literally have it backwards, kys

>>133388024
>Verizon and Comcast are for Net Neutrality
>Google and Facebook are against it.
Where are you getting your info

>>133388250
Glad to hear you are just baiting and not serious. For a minute there i thought you were retarded a d was rethinking the whole one man one vote thing. Happy trolling friendo

>>133388515
Lol, you're do devoid of intellectual honesty you have no argument and can only dismiss opposition by calling it "baiting" or "trolling".

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Good goy, net neutrality is bad! We don't want those pesky regulations getting in the way of comcast shareholder prof-I mean your freedom hehe.

>>133388024
G&FB want NN so that they cannot be cucked by non-NN ISP company.

I posted explanation above, for you.

>>133382914
>>133382974

>>133386420
I was contemplating martial law/wartime scenarios, also gas rationing back in the 70s during the oil crisis. I understand the oil crisis dealt with a physical good. I do not put it past (((them))) to find some way to say we're running out of [bits, capacity]
>>133386691
A lot of municipalities have de facto monopolies due to contracts signed when cables were trenched.

>>133366411
>Net neutrality is a fucking lie.

Pretty much. I don't know why anyone thinks giving the FCC more leeway to make rules regarding the internet wouldn't be just a fat gift to lobbyists.

>>133388373
>this tired of winning
>doesn't know about the kikes
Stay here newfag, stay here and read every redpill you can. You just might learn something.

>>133382816
>If consumers don't appreciate 10ms more lag when accessing youtube, or similar minor degradations, they can switch to another ISP.
but we cant

>>133388611
'All of this is solved through a free market' is supposed to be an arguement?

The telecom ondustry has tremendous, utility like barriers to entry, in what sense do you consider it a free market?

>>133366411
At least be honest about what it actually means faggot.

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>>133368229
you're on WaPo. Congrats!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/07/12/even-4chan-is-opposing-the-republican-plan-for-net-neutrality/

>>133388898
Which is?

>>133382914
>magine if you could get ad-free, instant 4K streaming of the top 10000 videos on youtube directly from your ISP
Wow, and how much do I have to pay for this service Mr. Shekelstein?

>>133388024
>If Net Neutrality is abolished

Umm what makes you think this is a thing?

>>133368229
Congrats anon, you are famous!

>>133371094
o.k. so... let me get this straight
1-you KNOW you aren't getting all the competition you could in your area right? Cable and internet companies have bought areas: they shouldn't be able to do that. any company should be able to sell anywhere they god damn please, then the lowest price: would be yours. But instead of letting a REAL free market decide your price: you'd rather treat it as a human right, or a public service. What do you buy more, tap water or bottled? "Oh well my tap in my area has harmful chemicals, so bottled."
Listen: if water were only private, you'd have a choice where those pipes lead to, and you'd pay probably LESS for tap, and it'd probably be better quality. "Net neutrality" is a scheme to censor the internet. Internet companies WANT customers to keep buying internet from them, so they will do what the customers want in terms of bandwidth, but again, not true capitalism in the internet market these days.

>>133366411
bullshit, net neutrality is a way for internet company monopolies to avoid having to make large payments to ISPs.

>he thinks google cares about the little guy
>he shills for billion dollar companies, for free
>he doesn't realize he could get netflix much, much faster without net neutrality because comcast and other greedy fuck ISPs could privilege that data
>he doesn't realize children's hospitals are not able to get privileged speeds they need because ISP is literally not allowed to do that by law

pro net neutrality, anti-net neutrality - you're all tools who don't understand what's really going on

>>133388716
No, you have it backwards. They want you to have it backwards.

The Music Producers, Copyright corporations, Google and Facebook want Net Neutrality gone so they can finally get rid of free alternative entertainment and copyright infringement once and for all to coral and force everyone into paying for their "Services" like Youtube Red, I Tunes etc.

With Net Neutrality gone big ISP's like Comcast and Verizon will have to pay Google and Facebook for their customers to access their content, which will fuck them in the long run and make them increase their prices.

>>133366667
Clinton voter here.

Better than all you drumpftards cause I called my congresswoman.

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

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>>133389320
Anons are doing that too faggot.
Here's your (you), spend it wisely.

>>133366666

Btw, I already know AT&T throttle the fuck out of any use of youtube in my servive. Net neutrality is the thing we should be caring less about in comparison to me not being able to change my provider.

Wouldn't no net neutrality let small ISP's finally be able to compete with the monopolization that bigger ISP's have set in place?

Like if Comcast is restricting me access to /pol/. Why don't I just switch to a newer smaller company that advertises no data discrimination?

>>133366411
All this needs is the good old solution of anti-trust. I don't know why people started becoming retarded. Just like banks need to be split up again the way it used to be, fibre providers shouldn't also be your ISP. This inherently creates competition. No need for government to step in beyond the obvious.

>>133389319
>With Net Neutrality gone big ISP's like Comcast and Verizon will have to pay Google and Facebook
The silver lining is that it will allow other websites to compete. For instance, Yahoo is still a thing. And this will only allow other social media sites to start rising.

>>133389527
>>Like if Comcast is restricting me access to /pol/. Why don't I just switch to a newer smaller company that advertises no data discrimination?
Bc you may be in an area, like say an apartment that only allowed one cable provider cause of a financial agreement.

>>133389113
Those cherry picking faghots just demonstrated how weak their game is with all that bullshit. Is infotainment protected under the 1st?

What's sad is even if we do succeed with this, they'll eventually begin another thing in the future to get rid of net neutrality. Look at all the times before, including SOPA and shit, all victories for us, yet they come crawling back to take it down.

People need to realize the government will always get their way, maybe not today but in the future, they always win. There's no fucking point in trying anymore, we literally don't have a voice or say in ANYTHING anymore.

>Government control over internet is good

>>133389918
meh.

>>133390032
The internet belonged to the government to begin with. The wires and infrastructure, anyway. Those were all given out as a loan to the internet companies. The only reason none of this is being taken back because there's too many people behind the scenes making mad bank from monpolizing each area and charging ridiculous prices due to sucking every province dry that has little to no competition. The internet is literally a monopoly right now.

>>133389731
No the other companies won't be able to compete with Google and Facebook. Google and Facebook will replace the ISPs because they can now throttle access to other ISPs by directly taxing them.

>>133366411
Keep the fucking government out of it all besides monopoly situation. When these ISPs are being unfair, the free market will provide the solution not to mention the innovation for the problem. The people will kill Ma Bell again.
Fuck your net neutrality. And your foriegn flags.
All of us that aren't as fucking stupid as faggot OP will always be able to get to 4chan, and if 4Chan got banned by ISPs it would only help this place out greatly removing all the stupid fucks off of it. May keep the niggers off of the internet again and the world will be a better place.
Go fuck yourself OP.

>>133371094
Do you even know how much it costs to lay fiber? Do you even consider the fact that your costs would probably go down if Netflix et al had to actually pay for all the bandwidth they use?

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>>133390032
>He doesn't know the internet was created by the gov't of the United States

>>133389607
What happened to phone bills after they broke up ma'bell?

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>>133366411
Hilarious how many foreign fuck-nuggets believe in this shit. Every year we hear about it and every year nothing changes.

>>133389814
Go get a house, a wife, kids, and a dog.
Grow the fuck up, quit being a loser.
>a fucking apartment

>>133378565
I'm in Kansas City. my choices are TWC - 45 bucks a month for 100 mbps

and Google Fiber. 50 bucks for the same speed.

>>133390346
>Do you even consider the fact that your costs would probably go down if Netflix et al had to actually pay for all the bandwidth they use?
hahahaha. I'm pro capitalist, but even I know that's bullshit. The customers are already use to paying their rates, and some have it on autopay. No, no, expect prices to go even higher. Remember, there's barely any competition in the local home internetscape. The only competition you have is 4g mobile providers, and no sane person uses non wifi connections for all their internet and social media business.

>banning websites
does no one realize if a provider does that they are just going to lose their customers?

if they provided a package at a cheaper price that blocked certain websites like porn that would be even better

Sounds like more freedom of choice to me.

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>>133366411
Go back to riding john oliver, and take your worthless, low-information opinions on the structure of the internet with you.

I swear to fucking god, if you don't at least know BGP you should really not be commenting on this shit, whatsoever.

Only niggers and spics are for net neutrality, it's communist bullshit.

>>133390771
>does no one realize if a provider does that they are just going to lose their customers?
and where will they go? Oh right, the internet provider controls the whole area. And most of the time, they are in a financial deal with the other big provider in the same city. And let's not forget that said providers are more than like faces for the same person who owns them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA-OcL0FQqQ

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>>133367050
The hour of the leafs ascension draws nigh.

Except that the US never had net neutrality. We have net federalization.
And Article 2 specifies that common carriers are subject to the regulatory body, with little else. All this net neutrality propaganda is so full of shit and has nothing to do with the actual issue at hand.

>>133391241
Pretty much. It's just a petty smokescreen.

>>133380393
>emigrate

living in 400 sq ft cuckshed that costs a million dollars.

nah thanks, if i wanted that i could just move to LA, with much higher living standard as well, and no muhammed running me over.

>>133387669
If they want to make their services shitty then I'll gladly fill that niche and make money off the customers they've alienated.

Why do you want to be protected by the FCC?

>>133371094
I don't give a shit about insulting liberals, but going after queers and Jews shows that you're a total piece of shit. What makes you so special? You have a laptop and a jar of lube?

Governance of top ISPs ISN'T Jewish, for the record, dickhead.

Comcast CEO => Brian Roberts. AT&T CEO => Randall Stephenson. Time Warner CEO => Jeff Bewkes. CenturyLink => Glen Post. Charter CEO => Tom Rutledge. Verizon CEO => Lowell McAdam. Cox President => Pat Esser. Altice CEO => Dexter Goei. Frontier CEO => Dan McCarthy

Get a fucking life.

>>133371094
nah, i don't want to subsidiz facebook's and google's internet, they can pay more since they use more

>>133387488
>le ebin snek memeXDDD
You faggots are just as bad