Nazi Germany was fucking stupid and you're a degenerate

>>133314059
but what about the cool hugo boss uniforms and the edgy armbands?

>>133314209
The uniforms were awesome, but don't fuck with my record collection. Kill all the jews you want, I'd kill em too, I'd make race mixing punishable by death too. Don't fuck with my record collection Nazis.

>>133314059
>limits on art and music is a bad thing
>he thinks this should be allowed youtube.com/watch?v=AVDBD_HXtMs
really nigger?

>>133314059
Yeah but German culture was incredibly degenerate during Weimar. They didn't ban art just "modern art" like spots of paint on a canvass or jazz. The Nazis would have created some of the most amazing architecture if they had won. Funny thing is that in Berlin, the modern art museum, which was supposed to show Germans what was degenerate, got like 10x as many visitors as the Germanic art museum.

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>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music. If you support this, you are an uncultured fucking subhuman and you should be gassed more than any fucking bloodsucking kike. Gas yourselves stormfags.

Nah they just publicly made fun of shitty art and endorsed "good" art. They had a point. And here is that point.

Art following the abstract expressionist movement of the 1920s is divorced from any objective standards and devoid of any beauty.

Art like this, it's not meant to inspire, it is meant to belittle and make others pessimistic. It betrays our society as one that doesn't uphold objects of beauty that once characterized us, but rather bleak nihilism.

Whenever the topic of modern art is brought up there are people who make excuses for this decline on the grounds that we just "don't get it". As if the works of Rothko or basquiat are just too deep and they reflect some higher philosophical concept we cannot fathom. Nobody actually values the modern artistic incarnation more than the works of the past, nobody actually thinks this filth alludes to some deep obscure meaning.

The popularization of aesthetic ugliness is only possible because the values that once guided the artistic vision of our people have been discarded since the 1920s. Art is the means by which a people assert themselves in time and how we will be remembered. When our descendants look back on us, they will see a people paralyzed by fear, guilt and self loathing, and a people which values ugliness, frivolity and weakness.

300 years after the masters of the baroque period, almost 100 years after the futurist and surrealist movements and the "highest" form of art we have is installation art, which in many cases consists of literal garbage.

Ask yourself, could there be any greater insult to our most renowned artists to display works in the same gallery as something so vacuous?

>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music
Ban rap now pls.

>They killed people that were crippled
Only severely mentally handicapped ppl.

>>133314059
>BASED HITLER JUST WANTED TO MAKE GERMANY GREAT AGAIN

>NEVER MIND THAT HE STARTED TAKING LAND THAT WASN'T HIS AND THAT HE KNEW WOULD START A WAR FOR LITERALLY NO REASON

>>133314059
Name one thing they banned worth saving.

They had to take hard measures to turn the country around (wouldn't necessarily last for long).

...like if we want to stop the white genocide today... it will also take hard measures.

>>133315051
Dadaism.

>>133315051
>Dadaism
and jazz music

>>133314059
Hitler is a jew and the german people are stupid goyim who took the blame for the holocaust so the chosen people could return to Israel. The german people will suffer for all time for naming the jew. The swatstika is a jewish symbol. AshkeNAZI.

>>133314059
Sargon BTFO

Sargoy goes full SJW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7UPqno6xvE

>>133314974
There was a reason, read Mein Kampf. It was a good reason too. I literally agree with Hitler on EVERYTHING except for this.

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>>133314059

They put limits on (((art))) and (((music))) because of all the Weimar degeneracy.

>>133315425
Acceptable collateral damage. There is a cost-benefit to every action or inaction.

>>133314059
Hitler accepting part jews, allying and not actually exterminating everything in Poland/Serbia shows how stupid they were

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Fascism and NatSoc is objectively just as evil as Zionism. Imposing an over-oppressive order on the world is just as evil as cultivating degenerative chaos. The Nazis created their own "master race" mythos which was only the inverted image of what they found so repulsive about Talmudic Judaism in the first place

One of the messages of Christ is that truth and salvation are the domain of the human individual, not the nation-state. Not realizing this is the failing of Israel, and it was the failing of Nazi Germany as well. The story of Jesus as recorded in the gospels is about what happens when the Spirit of God appears on Earth, and is resisted by the worldly powers of organized religion and the state. Anytime the message of Christ becomes co-opted by religious doctrine or state power, it has already abandoned its roots, since at its core the Jesus story is about how those very powers will stop at nothing to subvert and destroy the Christ. Though of course they can never succeed - to those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the King remains enthroned.

Hitler was an anti-Christ false idol, he was trying to do the right thing by fighting Zionism but he got his methodology all mixed up because he failed to comprehend the value of true Christlikeness.

Look up the quotes of Hitler praising Islam and denigrating Christianity as a "Jewish swindle". His reasoning is very flawed because both Christianity and Islam co-opt Jewish monotheism and the stories of the Torah. The difference is Islam glorifies the power of a worldly nation-state - just like Zionism, just like Nazism - unlike Christianity, which calls out the evils of the elite Jews and which glorifies the human individual in communion with the Spirit.

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>>133314059

>He didn't read about the Weimar Republic

fuck off kike, just because you can do something under the guise of (((Art))) doesn't mean its not degenerate filth shit.

>>133314825
Art is supposed to be jarring to the senses and shake up your sensibilities. You're allowed to think it's shit regardless, but you can still recognize it is in the spirit of the artist as trickster and shaman. The artist needs to be above the conventions and mores of society in order to fulfill his role as an expander of consciousness. Censoring and burning any art, shitty or otherwise, is the true degeneracy.

>>133314813
Jazz is excellent and I personally find many abstract expressionist works to be quite sublime and moving. In my opinion you have shit taste, I will defend your right to have shit taste but not your right to glorify those who wish to dictate the tastes of others

>>133316141
You couldn't be more wrong.

I can allow some wiggle room for "cleansing" the press and education, but art needs to be allowed to be 100% free at all costs

Daily reminder that it was the Jewish people who made Germany great and if the ungrateful Nazis hadn't driven them out they could have won the war and built a thousand year Reich together.

>>133316517
Next time don't just copy paste what you did a few days ago

>>133314059
not to mention he broke almost every treaty or nap he ever made.
I cant stand behind that type of actions

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>>133314059
Nice try Schlomo, do you think we are foolish enough to believe your nonsense?

>>133314059
https://youtu.be/Oph14OIUdQ0?list=PLf2HlPvL8P5KH4jgN26Em-1LBws928Azt

Get your degeneracy out

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>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music.
Weimar republic art and music was to alien for german people,

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>>133314059
Honestly, the only problems I have with NatSoc Germany is that no matter how I look at it, there was no way they were going last. Even if they had won the war, even if they kept annexing territory and plundering them, their economy would've collapsed eventually. German's would've never reached the standard of living that Americans had during the 40s, even as they were recovering from the Great Depression. I just hope you all realize this, there's no way that the Aryan Utopia could've happened under Hitler's government, he spent most of his time trying to stave of the inevitable and the German people had to pay for his final gamble.

Also, I don't like how the Nazis went after Otto Dix, the man made art criticizing the Wiemar Republic, the treatment of crippled veterans and overall degeneracy and they repay him by cracking down on him?

>yes I'm a fan of Otto Dix's work

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>>133314059
Art and music are used for propaganda and subversion, youre also an autistic sperge, kys before someone else does.

sage

>>133316843
>Art is supposed to be jarring to the senses and shake up your sensibilities.
wrong.
>The artist needs to be above the conventions and mores of society
wrong.
>Censoring and burning any art, shitty or otherwise, is the true degeneracy.
Wrong.
>>133317031
>Jazz is excellent and I personally find many abstract expressionist works to be quite sublime and moving. In my opinion you have shit taste, I will defend your right to have shit taste but not your right to glorify those who wish to dictate the tastes of others
WRONG
>le abstract art meme
fuck off pretentious hipster faggot.
>>133317190
>You couldn't be more wrong.
>I can allow some wiggle room for "cleansing" the press and education, but art needs to be allowed to be 100% free at all costs
You're probably some art grad student who thinks being edgy and out there is "art" like all of the other failed, degenerate faggot modern "artists"

>>133317031
Can you imagine how fucked jazz would be if it had been tainted by Teutonic sensibilities? It would all sound like Kraftwerk. Bebob would not exist.
>Heil mien Führer

>>133314059
The real mistake wasn't their treatment of music, but rather their treatment of architecture (and I suppose art to a degree).

>>133314059

the weimar republic had like constant showings of pornography, simulated child rape, and so on. just about anything repulsive imaginable was considered 'art'


yes i know this is a troll thread

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>>133314059
Watcha doing rabbi!!!

>>133318066
Jazz is fucking stupid. That's why it's dying. It's a shitty, nigger infested modern-art meme that sounds like garbled shit without structure.

>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music. If you support this, you are an uncultured fucking subhuman and you should be gassed more than any fucking bloodsucking kike. Gas yourselves stormfags.

Um no they got rid of the degenerate Jewish shit that pollutes our societies today. They weren't just burning books they were burning degenerate Jew trash like we will do again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8CpIFb0_E&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8CpIFb0_E&t=1s

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>>133318333
OH shit digits confirmed!

>>133318401
bink

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>>133318333
checked. OP is a faggot kike.

This

there are so many things about national socialism that I agree with but the lack of complete free speech just kills me. America's constitution is divinely inspired and is the basis for freedom

>>133317914
Source for this argument? I see many people on /pol/ and /his/ bringing this up but I have no idea where they got it from. While I see how the German economy was based purely on labor and that increasing the labor capacity by annexing new territory would help with the war, I do not see how complications would arise after the war if, like the intelligentsia of that time wanted, Germans were sent to the annexed territories to interbreed with the locals and "cleanse" them.

>>133314059
>I agree with fascism more than any other philosophy
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music

Hitler was a God you idiot

>>133318249
Not a troll thread. Obviously simulated child rape should be illegal that's the case in America and we're a "democracy". There is literally no good reason for banning cecil taylor or marchel duchamp.

>>133318042
>wrong
>wrong
>wrong

Good arguments there, retarded Stormfaggot

>>133318333
Read a book you dumb Nazi faggot they banned all sorts of shit for no reason other than they were autistic

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>>133318724
Heil sieg!! We shall bring back his glory!

>>133314059
You really tried hard this time, huh?

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>>133318642
>le freedom

>>133316517
>Fascism and NatSoc is objectively just as evil as Zionism

Wrong. Although I dont agree with any totalitarianism, Fascism was for the people Zionism is not. Plus Hitler did what had to be done there was no way to undo what the foggty Jews were doing legally. The same thing will happen again soon. People wont do shit as long as they have something to lose when it gets bad enough people have nothing left to lose it is inevitable

Communism VS Fascism

Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule


Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(aka a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the people livestock

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>>133314059
>muh music and art
Because nigger rape and porn are the greatest works of art in America, right?
>attempt at fascism
He didn't do an attempt on fascism. He did national socialism.

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>>133318824
Art isn't supposed to be "jarring" you retarded fucking pleb. Art is supposed to evoke an emotional response that gets the viewer or listener engaged and thinking, or helps the viewer come to a certain conclusion or make some sort of personal revelation. It's supposed to be about honor, beauty, dignity, holiness, tradition, not about being an edgy twerp faggot who makes "jarring" artwork. Who the fuck wants to be "jarred" by art other than jewish freaks?

>>133318642
The constitution might as well not exist. It's not like anyone gives a fuck about it but the (((civic nationalists))) that are too cucked to realize our government is just as imperialistic and evil as Germany or Italy was, we're just more two faced and fake. We police the world more effectively under the guise of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY when we're really milking countries for their resources like fucking cows to feed (((the fortune 500))) so fuck out of here with the Liberty meme

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>>133314059

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>>133318667
I'll try to look up some sources when I get home, surprisingly enough Hjalmar Schacht (yes the man that /pol/ loves to accuse of being a puppet) warned about the impending collapse and was openly critical of the harsh reparation obligations imposed on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles. That being said all you really have to do is look at the sorry state of German logistics to realize that they weren't doing as good as they were letting on, they were still using horse drawn carriages to transport supplies and seized any trucks, trains and vehicles they could get when they annexed and invaded countries. Is that something a country that pulled off an "economic miracle" would do?

I'm not saying that Hitler didn't have Germany's best interest in mind, I'm just saying you should be careful about blindly idolizing Hitler's government lest you make the same mistakes he did.

>>133318867
>overuse of word autism obviously shill
bitch I will stomp your shit in and come through your monitor and choke you with my mouse cord faggot if you run your lip again

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>>133318333
checked.

>>133319004

Didn't some high up Nazi lament the fact that the movement was stifling creativity and was being too authoritarian when it came to the arts?

I think it was Goebbels

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>>133314059

>>133319343
lmao neck yourself

>>133319394
Both China and the US are jew-controlled

>>133319343


Your mothers cunt, faggot.

>>133314059
Nazi Germany pre war was stated by many who visited to be one of the nicest places ever.

>>133319528
Those chinkers are basically jews anyways. Fuck chinks.
>no morals
>eat dogs
>smell like shit

>>133314059
Creators of (((modern art))) and (((pop music))) should be the first in line for the gas chambers. OP is a faggot

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>>133314059

The Jews used art and music to destroy white culture from within. Walk down any street in any American metropolis and observe the white youth dressing and acting like niggers while listening to rap and tell me I'm wrong.

it seems like OP agree with most nazi idealogy..even if you're not a fan, there were still the closet hope to stopping this madness

>>133314059
Yes and Dr aspergers was killed immediately after he discovered he had a disease, S mh

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>>133315251
He's right you know, sadly I don't think it will ever happen. I'm very pessimistic.

>>133318535
>>133319402
kek my bade fags I didnt know faggot blocked it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oph14OIUdQ0&t=1487s

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>>133314059
>muh feefees: the post
You win the biggest faggot of the night award.

>>133320046
You're a fucking retard if you think this is an emotional argument at all. Can you not fucking read? Typical stormfaggot. Music is important and I'm not going to let some dumb ass arbitrarily decide what music I can and can't listen to and if you disagree its because you have no fucking mind of your own and don't deserve to be sharing this planet with me. Kill yourself untermensch.

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>>133320275
All I heard was....
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE IM A YUUUGEEEEE KIKE SHILLING FAGGOT REEEEEEEEEEEEE
here kid, this memes for you

>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany puts limits on things
>Fascist
I do not think you know what that flag means anon.

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>>133319335
A post from 4chan without any sources isn't real evidence.

I do recognize that the Third Reich was not perfect (i.e shitty machinery that broke, forcing Germans to seize Russian machinery) but it only had 6 years to stand up from its knees and clean the dirt from its face.

>>133320439
Have you read the doctrine of fascism? I have. Nowhere in it does it say anything about banning jazz because you think its made by black jews you fucking dumbass

>>133314059
>"I'm a fascist, goy!"
>"Oy vey, censorship of art is degenerate!"

One of these things is not like the other.

>>133320525
Like I said I'll look into getting you some real sources, the post does provide some insight that correlates with what actually happened in the war, if you look it up for yourself you'll see that it all happened

>>133320608
Again, show me where mussolini or any other fascist suggested this.

>>133318314
>brainlet can't understand anything but boring diatonic shit
In all seriousness, modern music as you know it would not exist without the development of 20th century jazz.

>>133314059
>IL DUCE
hahahahha
Mussolini was a fucking failure, the only thing he accomplished was draining Pontine Marshes, he failed on all other points.

>>133320525
>>133319335
Doesn't matter anon is wrong anyway

>>133320843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vfdZtpx_ug

>>133318314
Whenever I hear Jazz now all I can think of are old cucks,
>the cuckservative old dude who smokes cigars and plays jazz at poker night because he thinks it lends an air of class and sophistication
>the crusty old failed trumpet/saz player who wears a daishiki because he thinks he's down with "the brothers" and played in a an acid jazz band in the 80s

Both of them are lame faggots and both of them would probably, or already have let black dudes screw their wives.

Jazz sucks. The only reason it became popular is because of Jews (as usual), and proto-numales trying to impress women by demonstrating that they've won the approval of the savage darky.
Prime example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsEpYYQCZQY
>Savage darkies working in the engine room
>Passenger Fred Astaire goes down to hang around them and they accept him as one of their own because reasons
>He then shows them that he's even cooler than they are and wins their respect with a dance number.
>of course it all ends with the darkies bursting out into spontaneous applause demonstrating for all that Fred Astaire has not only been accepted by the negroes but proven his worth to them.

I mean no offense to Fred Astaire, the guy could dance, but it's all just so transparent.

>>133320538
The doctrine of any ideology is implicit. In a fascist society, anything that considered to be destructive to the fabric of that society is banned outright.

Pretty sure Mussolini didn't allow porno theatres. That's art, right? Yes. It's also degenerate as fuck.

It's clear that you aren't actually a fascist and you're just a pretty weak troll. Saged, hidden, reported. Kill yourself please.

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>>133320275
>Music is important
>I'm not going to let some dumb ass arbitrarily decide what music I can and can't listen

When did pol become a board for muh music, muh feels?

>>133314059
You can't judge German National Socialism from an Italian cultural point of view. Krauts are much more autistic than Italians when it comes to art and the arts, and can't really enjoy subtle transgressive elements without going full on degenerate. They did what was right for them.

t. Fasicst wop

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>>133320989
Anyone who thinks pic related can destroy a society is an actual retard.

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>>133314059

hitler and the nazis lost to slavic subhuman communists which means the germans werent the master race after all

>>133321153
Anyone who thinks that's what anyone thinks(you) is retarded.

>>133321256
Ok fucking moron. Then what exactly are you saying because all I am saying is I want a society where people can paint what they want to even if Hitler doesn't like it. What's in the picture would have been banned so what the fuck are you on about? You fucking dumbass nazi cock suckers are too stupid to even get your fucking arguments straight kill yourselves

>>133320807
>modern music
Yeah no thanks. Jazz had some cool ideas but as a whole it's a pretty messy genre that lacks depth.
>not understanding the nearly unlimited range a diatonic scale gives you
>>133320983
It really does suck. I used to like it as a high schooler but now I find it all boring and uncreative.

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>>133321169
>slavic subhuman communists
>entirely slavic

>>133321449
who would ever disagree with you moron? Nigger you don't even understand what you are talking about. The Jews degenerate art was SPECIFICALLY designed to be degenerate not to be art which is why he fucking burned it.

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>>133321449
>You fucking dumbass nazi cock suckers are too stupid to even get your fucking arguments straight kill yourselves
t. person too stupid to cogently reply, and ends up typing a garbled rant.
End yourself, American.
And go read up on Mussolini who you so admire, you clearly don't know much about him or Italian history.

>>133321699
LMAO JAZZ MUSIC WAS A JEWISH LIE
Kill yourself

>>133321776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_jazz_musicians

>>133321776
>JAZZ MUSIC WAS A JEWISH LIE
>missing the point this hard

>>133319159
>evoke an emotional response that gets the viewer or listener engaged and thinking

you've never been shocked or discomforted by an emotional experience? sounds like you're not digging deep enough.

by your logic praying in front of a crucifix is probably degenerate because the imagery is "too edgy" and not pretty enough

>>133321741
I don't admire Mussolini he was a fucking failure too. I know that because I've already read a shitload about that part of history. I also read the doctrine of fascism and I agree with its ideas but I personally would not impose limits on art. If you think you have to agree 100% with fucking spergs on 4chan and 100% with the creator of a school of though in order to appreciate it, you're an idiot.

>>133322002
I-I-I don't admire Mussolini
>MUH IL DUCE in OP
All right buddy, I guess you are just a larper then?

>>133314059
>that look on hitler's face
...merkler has that same exact face

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>>133314059

I just love the spacing, reddit. Fuck off and go die in a fire, kike

>>133314059
agree

>>133321955
Its not missing the point you fucking dumbass. If your argument was the only thing to consider that would be fine. of course ban jewish propaganda bullshit. Jazz music was banned and they made posters of niggers with stars of david on them playing saxophones and shit you idiot jazz had nothing to do with the jews fuck off

>>133322100
lol I can't call Mussolini Il DUCE without sucking his hanging corpses cock? double digit IQ detected

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>>133314059
>>133314486
Why are you talking as if Fascists didn't engage in censorship?

You're either a very retarded troll or just very retarded...

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.3138/9781442684157

>>133322113
>says some shit about spacing instead of saying something that matters

Die.

>>133314059
Man oh man, another faggot who would have prefered the Weimar 'I put my sex machine into this city of sin' Republic.
Faggot.
It was literally the LGBTQ+ of the XXth Century.

>>133322002
>>133322100
>>133322323
>I've already read a shitload about that part of history. I also read the doctrine of fascism
Then why do you have this idea that Mussolini didn't censor art? Do you even know what Ministero della Cultura Popolare was? Do you know the anti-modernist manifesto? Did you know that he banned certain operas?
Clearly not you dumb fuck.
Go larp some kekistani with your fellow pedes on reddit.

>>133322402
Why is it that no one in this thread realizes that you can learn about an ideology and agree with it almost fully with some minor notes? Not everyone is a mindless drone like you fucking kike shill

>>133322556
see the post above this one

>>133322677
Not a response.
You pretend to know about Fascism and Italian history yet you are a massive ignoramus.
Go jerk off to porn or something you american fuck.

>>133314486
I cannot abide by a state that will inspect my record collection and remove the stuff they don't like.
Remember music and visual art are Haram.

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>>133314059

>>133314698
Why are they conflating gender with fetishes?

I'm a footfag, that doesn't change my gender, wtf is wrong with people

>>133322768
I read about history every day. I do know about Fascism and the history of Italy from Ancient Rome all the way to the 20th century. If I agree with literally everything about fascism except for the part where I'd be more discerning about artistic censorship, please explain to me how that makes me less intelligent.

>>133314059
Would it really have been THAT awful if Hitler had used his power to put the Kaiser's grandson on the empty German throne?

But then again Adolf was deadset on his ideology

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>>133322594
If you almost agree with it, you don't agree with it. If you want to change the doctrine to fit your sensibilities, you're a subversive. Fascism cannot sustain itself without censorship. It's not a hidden secret, it's exactly what it's all about: removing the "undesirable" people and ideas from society.

You're not a fascist, you're a moron. If you feel the need to qualify your fascism, you're not a fascist. That simple.

>no country flag
Always dismissable as sliding
sage and hide

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>>133314059

Those cripples were genetically defunct Jews. Which had the common genetic disorders of the Jews interbreeding so much. Literally they were straight breeding retards in Germany at the Germans people expense.

KIKES STILL DO IT TODAY!

>>133314059
Pol is a collective hivemind of failed individuals who come together over something basic as skin color. They are losers, and from this resentment escalates racism and other garbage ideologies. I look forward to war, as an upper class citizen, to purge America of whiney losers, both black and white, whom of which have no respect for the work and cultivation that defines the individual.

>>133323188
You do realize that fascism has had many different incarnations in many different countries with many different slight changes to it right?

>>133321583
I understand your point in that a lot of Jazz is too self indulgent and esoteric, but as a whole the genre has done a lot to expand western music. Harmony sort of hit a brick wall in the beginning of the 20th century so it helped to keep music interesting by giving composers more options. Also jazz composition is objectively more complex than classical. Not saying it's harder, just that it takes a divergent skill set and can seem inaccessible to the listener.

>>133315425
>>133315527
Jewish destruction and nigger music. KYS

>>133314486
>society HAS to degenerate into a shitheap so I can enjoy my shitty music
>never mind that weimar was literal hell on earth thanks to what was modern culture at the time
>never mind that the greatest works of art are produced when an empire is well established and has time for the luxury of looking inward

Go take your records outside and smash them. Obviously they are giving you brain damage.

>>133323062
Because you are pretending to agree with fascism when you clearly don't.
Then when I call out your inconsistencies you backtrack.
At least an intelligent subversive wouldn't have made those obvious mistakes in the first place.

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what is up with the absolutely abhorrent shitposting going on right now? You know why there was censorship? because Weimar had absolutely ZERO forms of censorship, none, so open air pornography and child trafficking was the norm, and since Jews ran most of the films, theatre and art, the same type of period blood on the floor art pieces were the norm. That's why he put censorship, as a reaction against the opposite. KYS

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>>133323417
Jesus, you're even dumber than I thought... Name me one country where Fascism was implemented where there was no censorship of artists and press. Go ahead, embarrass yourself even further.

>>133323427

Don't tout your opinions as fact.

Jamaicans listened to folk music from whites from the USA way before reggae and the blues players of the south did the same thing before they started playing the blues. The shit isn't even that good in my opinion. I like Reggae way more than blues jazz ever! I never gave a fuck about the blues. It is actually a sloppy arrangement of each individual trying to show boat over the other. Very much resembles the niggers race general and the hype niggers try to tout about their race or others.

TAKE YOUR KIKE BLUES JAZZ GARBAGE SHIT SOME WHERE ELSE. ITS GARBAGE!

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>>133315425
>Guys I totally agree with most of fascism and stuff but censoring Dadaism was one step too far
lmao

>>133323732
You're clearly delusional because none of that ever happened. I simply stated that I agree with fascism more than any other ideology if you read the OP. That is true. I don't care if you think I am a fascist or not. There is literally one thing that is not consistent with me and mussolini and that is that I would have been more lenient on musicians because I am a musician. If you think that's enough to throw ad hominems at me then fine, just don't expect to make me feel stupid when all you've done is repeated the same bullshit like a pseudo intellectual faggot

>>133323790
I never said NO suppression is necessary. I merely said Hitler was overzealous in his attempts to do so, there was no need to ban jazz music.

>>133314059
This is the disgusting culture and art that Hitler got rid of

https://youtu.be/Oph14OIUdQ0

>>133314059
>defecates on blank canvas
>don't fug with muh art

>>133323913
What opinion did I tout as fact? That Jazz composition is more complex than classical? If you had any musical education you would not be able to refute this.

>>133324009
>claims his feelings aren't a factor
>wants to be lenient on musicians because he is one
>not basing his opinions on his feefees

it looks like you are a liar, and an idiot.

>>133324009
> I simply stated that I agree with fascism more than any other ideology if you read the OP.
Which is why i'm saying you are either an ignoramus with no knowledge of fascism or an incredibly dumb person trying to be subversive.

>>133324129
and the strawmen just keep popping up

this is why no one takes you seriously /pol/. You're all a bunch of fucking degenerate LARPers that fell for a bunch of shitposts too hard.

>>133314974
>danzig
>not rightful german clay
A FUCKING LEAF

>>133314059
Gas yourself you fake flag kike.

>>133324211
Again.
Objectively speaking, there was no good reason to ban jazz music.

>>133324260
>This is why no one takes you seriously /pol/
You are welcome to return to reddit, faggot.

>>133324206

Its more complicated because an arrangement doesn't exist like I said it is one nigger trying to show boat over the other and the rest skipping along. You can't talk arrangement when there isn't any. It jam band shit. Its no different than some people jamming with no real direction. It is retarded Chaos to me.

>>133324361
you LITERALLY refuted a guys post here claiming your views aren't because of your feelings AND YOU DO EXACTLY THAT to refute another person.

i don't care if you think there isn't a good reason to ban jazz that WASN'T my point.

>>133324431
make the argument that jazz music needs to be suppressed in a fascist regime and ill stop posting, in the meantime you're still a kike shill

>>133324629
lmao so if I offer some perspective into why I agree with mussolini on most things but I disagree with him on one thing its because of my feelings? I've made numerous objective arguments against censorship in this thread but you can ignore those if you want I guess

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>>133324645
It's posts like this that make it clear you have no knowledge of fascism. >>133324254

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>>133324091
So the things you want to ban are rightfully banned because it's righteous and good and moral to ban them, but people wanting to ban things you like is somehow "overzealous"? What a solipsistic retard you are. But your bitter impotence amuses me, so you're not totally useless.

Please continue.

>>133324645

I don't think Jazz music or any music needs to be banned. I just think about 95% of all darkies in all nations need to GTFO because they do whether they do or NOT. Because ultimately them with the system are ANTI WHITE MALE and COMMIE SHIT SCUM!

>>133324431
>Everyone who doesn't like the way /pol/ is now is from reddit
you just keep getting dumber dude

>>133324796
again you are ignoring my point, you can't on one hand say "im being objective, and my views aren't based on my feelings" then make a post where your feelings on jazz and musicians because you are one are supposed to hold weight in an argument you are claiming to be objective in.

>>133324845
LMAO
"If you don't know why jazz is dangerous to fascism then you don't know about fascism"

>>133324927
>2nd response 3 minute after the first one
Nice reading comprehension.
Maybe that is why you think you "read all about fascism and agree with it" yet don't seem to understand it.

>>133324516
you're dumb if you think jazz arrangements don't exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnlAPR_ixo4

>>133324959
I made one post about why I would do things differently after making several points arguing it without that context and you wait until I say I am a musician and go GOTCHA!!! ITS YOUR FEE FEES!!!! Kill yourself

>>133325121
I'm done with this guy.

NEXT

>>133325240
obviously your feelings on fascism are based on your feelings WHICH MAKES YOU SUBVERSIVE the fascist state you are claiming to want to usher in would hang you.
you WOULDN'T survive in the fascist state because you want to be lenient to one thing over the other, fuck this other thing but MY THING IS UNTOUCHABLE.

>>133325074
>jazz is dangerous to fascism
What the fuck are you even talking about?
When has it ever been a fascism or National socialist idea that "Jazz is dangerous to fascism"?
Statements like these makes it obvious that you have no idea what fascism is and never read about said topics or that you have major brain damage.

>>133325074

I'm living in the United States and its currently a fascist/commie country.

Especially when all the entitled darkies have arrived to the USA in the last 40 years and they walk around like they are the standard of living.

More like the standard of leeching.

>>133325318
Thanks for conceding, responding to your brain-
damage posting was getting tiring.

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>>133314059
>Overcame Great Depression within 6 years of seizing power
>Rejuvenated the German National Spirit and made them a world power within 6 years of seizing power
>Anybody who ever visited Nazi Germany including future president John F. Kennedy hailed it as a veritable utopia and greatly respected Adolf Hitler
>revived European traditionalism and was a bastion of light in a sea of degenerate darkness and progressivism.
>But they banned certain shitty art and certain shitty music making them shit.
fucking kill yourself, Schlomo. anAnd take that fucking flag off your location ID

>>133325159

Not in its original form.

That is after white man got a hold of it.

Shows what idiots really know...

NOTHING!

>>133324861
It's not about whether or not I like it. Its about whether it has a tangible negative effect on society or not. Of course the Weimar Republic was fucked, that doesn't mean you have to ban Miles Davis, that doesn't make any fucking sense.

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>>133316843

Get your urinal art installation bullshit out of here.

>>133318042

> A "muh Nazis were the best" poster calls others edgy faggots

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I am not a fascist but knowing OP would be outright executed in a fascist regime brings a smile to my face.

Press P to piss on OP's mouth.

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>>133325561
>It's not about whether or not I like it. Its about whether it has a tangible negative effect on society or not.

AHAHAHAAHAHAAHAH!!!!

TIL /pol/ is so fucking retarded that they would defend the outlawing of weird paintings because some dead faggot that lost a war TO THE WORKERS AND PEASANTS RED ARMY said they were bad

>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music.

meh.

the real problem with Nazi Germany was structural. if you study how the government was organized, it was an absolute mess. if Rommel had succeeded in executing Hitler, the entire system would have immediately fell apart.

i'd also argue that killing Poles was a really shitty fucking thing to do, and took away the legitimization of Hitler's nationalistic platform, as it removed the integrity of his message. executing Jews was a mistake as well, when he could have allied with the anti-emancipation Jews, and helped realize their nationalistic visions as well.

in any case, there were far bigger problems than fucking art and music mate. and btw, "muh censorship!" is a fucking meme in respect to art, lol. as someone already mentioned, most of the greatest art ever produced was under "censorship," so censorship does not impede great works of art. read Haraszti -- he's a censorship fag like you, but at least can recognize this fact.

>>133325542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KshrtLXBdl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Cs_zb4q14

Just going to point out that the Nazi's outlawing art was no different than SJW's censorship of your dumbass racist conspiracy theory bullshit.

>>133325963
so defend all the censorship other fascist states enacted, germany was getting attacked on all sides not just lost to the workes peasants red army you are purposely leaving out important factors.

every fascist state ever in existance banned shit in the same way hitler did IF NOT WORSE.

>>133314059
Have you looked at what the post-modernists have done to art? Hitler was right to do what he did.

Goebbels had polio. Not genetic retard.

>>133324267
Gdansk was owned by Poland for 336 years straight between the years 1457 and 1793, it was lost by Prussia between 1807 and 1815 meaning that the longest time a German state actually ruled Gdansk was 104 years.

>>133325991

Imagine if the German people didn't have to have full retards like Merkel or Hitler leading them.

>>133323564
Nah Jazz is great. One of the most intellectual genres. But I would still have it banned if it was even 0.001% responsible for our culture today.

>>133314059
The idea of being aware of yourself as part of a people and having a policy of putting your people first appeals to me, but the core problem with fascism is similar to that of communism, meaning that both systems tend to view and use people as tools of the state rather than act as servants and protectors of the people.

That being said, I think it's important to put Hitler in context with the greater German culture as a whole. Germans past and present are stuck in the rut of positive liberty, and don't have the same kind of respect for natural rights and personal liberty as the US and other Anglosphere nations.

Also, shame on them for wrecking Europe so badly and leaving Europeans on all sides too badly cucked to stand up for their own people.

>>133326064

Original form was in clubs and more than just a guy on a piano. Who give a fuck anyway. I don't! Other than I am trying to teach actual truth and history. Original form would have never been on T.V. STOP FUCKING TRYING HARD!

Try again.

>>133326376
>Imagine if the German people didn't exist

>>133317914
This fucking propaganda meme.

>>133326618

No more BMW's 8(

>>133318642
>lack of complete free speech

Do you serious want to give the ability of free speech to your enemies? Only free speech for your own people, you idiot.

>>133314059
Italian way of things
>be Garibaldi
>dress like a peacock
>run around with your faggot pals larping as revolutionaries
>other 'Talians give in eventually because they're lazy to do anything beside complaining
>get your ass handed to you literally by everybody else
Rinse, repeat with IL DUCE this time

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>>133326467

Some one ran the News papers back then to didn't they. There wasn't the fast paced info that we can digest today was there? Now think about it and say to yourself.

WHO WAS RIGHT BUT WENT TO FAR?

>>133320833
Fuck off Il Duce had less to work with. (((they))) had been working over Italy since the risorgimento.

>>133326880
>No WW1
>No WW2
>No 30 years war
>Roman empire would have lasted longer
>Arian Christianity would have died out faster
>No protestantism

>>133314059
>try to create perfect society
>it didn't end up as perfect, just better than most
>"dude fuck the nazis they failed"

There are other reasons to dislike nazis and naziboos but hating them for wanting to be the best is liberal-tier faggotry

>>133325991
kike.

>>133325946
0/8

>>133327236
I can never support a political system grounded in positive liberty. I'm guessing your a stormer who likes the fact that Hitler killed Jews, but it's important to remember that he killed a lot more white people and was planning to wipe out the Slavs next, who are today probably the only white ethnicities which will survive into the next century.

You're probably not happy about how cucked most European nations are today but you have to remember that Cultural Marxism was able to basically spring board off of WWII and use it to cuck all of the countries not already part of the communist block. Also, all western countries back then were equally nationalistic and (ostensibly) pro-white, so there's a good chance the commies may have cucked the west anyways even if Hitler had won, using the death toll and travesties of war to present themselves as the solution.

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>>133327362

Roman Empire ---- What a faggot... a nation that was riddled with slave trading kikes and Le Merchants. What a faggot! Nazi Germany was like God tier to those boy lovers.

WW1 Who runs the news? You know! DON'T LIE OR DIE!
WW2 Jews declare war on Germany. Who runs the news? You know! DON'T LIE OR DIE!

30 years faggotry! You're a faggot I WIN! EVERYTIME! You know why? Because I'm a fucking winner that is why and you're a faggot!

You're faggot ROMAN EMPIRE was the ones who pushed KIKE ON A STICK IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!


SOMEONE PLEASE ARCHIVE!!!

>>133327362
I agree with you up to the last point. I don't know why there is hostility toward the Prostestant Reformation, which was really about making the Bible accessible to everyone. A society without the Reformation would mean you would get burned to death for having a Bible or tortured to death for having dissenting views. It also meant paying off the church in order to get to Heaven and still dying and going to Hell anyways.

>>133314059
I agree. Fascism was taking off everywhere and these slimy national ((socialists)) fucked everything up. They are the reason Italy, Spain and all other (potential) fascistic governments in Europe became unfavourable to the masses. They should have never invaded all those countries. Axis powers could have been huge, if only they didn't go to war in 1939.

>>133327991

5th Commandment though shall not kill or Lie. When you lie you're killing because I am going to have to kill you for lying and starting WW1 and WW2 and Iraq and many other wars which you know who MEME'D into reality!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

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>>133319335
>0NZ4KikW


if this thread is not a troll, you sound like a 16 year old who doesn't know much about anything. stop talking out of your ass.

if you had read a basic book or two on the war you'd understand the reasons for a lot of the things you're sperging out about, its all extremely well documented. all of the logistical problems were well known and were reported to Hitler, he did not give a fuck and for good reason, he conquered France in 6 weeks with Panzers alone and had no reason to believe Russia would be any different. American and British generals predicted the USSR would fall in mere weeks after the invasion. The German economy had almost nothing to do with the loss of the war.

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>>133316843
>Art is supposed to be jarring to the senses and shake up your sensibilities.
I guess Shindol is high art then.

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>>133327991

>>133329201
that damn manga

>>133318642
>divinely inspired
Did you happen to elect a pope too? kek

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>>133329201
>implying it's not

>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music. If you support this, you are an uncultured fucking subhuman and you should be gassed more than any fucking bloodsucking kike. Gas yourselves stormfags.

Art was great before there was an abstract pattern artists had to follow a.k.a pre-postmodernism era.

>>133329201
Now he awakes to the uniform truth.

>>133314859

A number of which had been previously subjected to cruel lobotomies, correct? Many were living a degrading existence in institutions, it was cruel before the Nazis stepped in.

>>133315622

I don't think he started the war though, did he?

>>133314059
I've read this post six times and i still don't know what the fuck it's trying to say

>>133314974
>Memel
>Sudetenland
>Danzig

I'll concede that Danzig is a long shot, but Hitler just wanted the territories that were unfairly lost after WW1

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>>133330317

>>133330474
>reddit spaced OP posts that
full circle

>>133314059
Art is the gateway for faggotry. If ordered and expressed for the good of the nation, art can be a good use of time. Music like classical, baroque, chamber music is nondegenerate but as it stands in the USA today, any public funding for art is likely to promote faggotry, race mixing or other degeneracy. Cut it off and direct money to causes that make us stronger.

science & technology > faggy art

>>133314974
Why it's always a leaf?

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>>133314974
great rake when?

>>133315554
bait not enticing enough

>>133330973
What the fuck is it with /pol/ and the spacing bullshit? I don't even have a reddit account and I've been on this site for 2 years but because I understand that ideas should be spaced slightly I must be a reddit shill? You're fucking stupid.

>>133316517
Nazism was about overcoming the flesh you dumb fuck. Hitler was a friggin vegetarian. It's about god consciousness and symbiosis with the earth, not becoming the ultimate master race. That's why he had allies of all races, it's about all of the races overcoming themselves and reaching towards nobility.

>>133331736
YOU DON'T THINK NAZIISM WAS ABOUT KILLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND NAZIISM REEEEE

>>133327362
>no rocketry
>no nukes
>no Europe

>>133314059
>puts limits on art and music
Have you fucking looked at the state they are in today? Postmodernism killed both of them, restrictions can quite literally do no wrong now.

>>133332464
lol so what is your argument? They tried it, it didn't work, so they should do it more? Fucking retarded man.

If you think Nazis were wrong to police culture then I don't think you understand the depth of the filth that pre-Nazi Germany had plunged into.

1/10 made me reply

>>133314059
Nazi germany was not stupid because it censored arts. Literally every human society in history does.

Nazi Germany was stupid because the nazis were a bunch of negligent retards.
The idea of nazi's excelence and efficiency is a myth of the allies to explain their shameful lameness. Nazi germany embraced it for its own propagandistic motivations.

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>>133314059
>put limits on art and music. If you support this, you are an uncultured fucking subhuman and you should be gassed more than any fucking bloodsucking kike. Gas yourselves stormfags.
>supporting degenerate jew culture
Try not to suck any dicks on your way back to leftypol faggot

>>133328248
>making the Bible accessible to everyone.
Religion is useful for social control, that's about all its useful for. Once you give people the means to think for themselves that social control is weakened. However the main issue with protestantism is that it caused divisions in Europe and exacerbated existing conflicts many times. In essence Protestantism if nothing else was another excuse people could use to profit from war.

>>133332105
>no rocketry
Who is Robert Goddard? The ability to design rockets isn't part of your genetic code, and there is no reason a non-German would have invented the rocket engine.
>no nukes
Ignoring the above point is that a bad thing?
>no Europe
Still have Celtic, Mediterranean, Slavic, and Baltic peoples. You know the kind of Europeans who aren't purposely drowning the continent in migrants or starting wars that kill off tens of millions of whites.

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>>133314059
The NSDAP banned less than 2,500 mostly Jewish books for obscenity. The current German government bans exponentially more material.

You're a typical whiny rat kike that knows your tribe is going to be put on trial for their crimes against humanity sooner than later.

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>>133332664
Also you're on /pol/ faggot. No amount of JIDF stormfag posting is going to subvert and change this board from being aware of the Jewish issue. That was the whole purpose of this 'containment board' in the first place.

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>>133336018
We had converted every single lolbert to national socialism before reddit invaded. Now we must do it again I guess.

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>>133331841
National Socialism was a crusade against Interational Jewry. International soul destroying capitalism and international genocidal marxism to be specific.

Right when Hitler was coming to power Jew NKVD Yagoda famined 6,000,000+ European Christians. This is just a sliver of the European Christian deaths caused by kikes in the 20th century.

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>>133314059
>National Socialist Germany put limits on art and music
And what's the problem with this, faggot? Modern art was and still is pure cancer, same for music.
Not to mention architecture.
The state should have a full control over art and architecture to prevent its degeneration by selfish libshit (((artists))) and (((architects)))

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>>133335802
Hitler had six years during the great depression to rearm and take on the Soviet, French, American and British Empires.

Hitler did nothing wrong. Anglo-Americans started the war, funded the soviets, firebombed German cities, and then handed over their media to a bunch of kikes that would go onto to make America 61% ""white"" (~50% European) and propagate this lie that the only choice was international capitalism or international marxism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP

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>>133314059
>>133339446

ROTHSCHILD LEAKS