/pol/. honest question. why do you hate communism? chances are,

because they murdered 100 million people, and ruined the lives of more than a billion.

A

>>133310461
Because Siege of Berlin and the deaths of over 100 million peeps and whatnot

>>133310461

Simply because it doesn't work, It's an emotional appeal, and it's Western supporters are more often than not violent.

>>133310461
>why do you hate communism
60+ years of non-stop (((propaganda))) starts to add up.

>>133310719
>>133310884
what about the millions of deaths of foreigners due to the US? or the invasion of iraq for oil and nothing else?
honestly i shouldn'tve mentioned russia because it's shitty and petulant to start country-oriented debates when the biggest problem aface is the corruption of the capitalist system. we're all getting screwed over here, why are we so hesitant to admit that?

It works for thieves. They organize to make a theft-government who steals and murders for them. It is morally wrong.

>>133311165

Baby boomer professors ruining gullible millennial's lives by convincing them to get a worthless degree and to blame the world when they can't get a job.

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>>133310461
I don't want to queue for my state issued asspaper

>>133311200
Gommies have never produced anything but failed states and misery. Eastern Europe is still stuck in shit because of commies. Hell, Eastern Germany is still far behind Western Europe. Fuck off Leaf. Come back when you have the balls to ask why people hate nazism.

>>133310461
>so, why are you so quick to defend capitalism?

Because overthrowing capitalism almost always results in the poor people starving to death.

>>133310461
Better dead than red faggot

>>133311200
>Comparing the Shekel Wars to the Killing Fields

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bumping to piss on c*mmunist.

FUCK S*ALIN. FUCK M*rcs. FUCK S*VIETS. FUCK SYMPATHIZERS

>>133311200
>those deaths were due to capitalism
Even if they were a direct result of it and not Israel meddling, you are forgetting the millions that have directly benefited from capitalism.
Who ever benefited from communism that would not have gained more from capitalism?
And a bit off-topic here: what makes you think the US would not have invaded them for oil had we been communist?

>>133311468
A FUCKING LEAF?!?!?!

It depends on everybody working for together for the common good at both the top and bottom of society. The elites will always be corrupt and the plebs can't even be trusted to pick up after themselves or flush public toilets. The more you collectivize our industries and our economy, the more you put me at risk to suffer from other people's failures.

>>133311762
>forgot my bait flag
Looks like I'm outed boys

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if you want be be a c*mmunist you are a worthless, cock sucking faggot. and a failure like you, and your fathers before. piss on your face

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piss on s*alin face

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Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

>>133311878
>getting this nuclear over a bait thread

As appealing as a license for theft is to you spoiled-brat, envious, mis-educated millennial faggots, remember that there's always someone with a dime less than you who thinks YOU are the Rich Bourgeois Pig who needs to have his wealth "redistributed".

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>>133310461
In 1920s in Ukraine during holodomor there were all around the streets posters not to eat your children. Communism is full of shit, better don't go full left.

>>133310461
Because so far we as a species have not figured out how to handle inequity of resources and trade. There is no system we have devised that will benefit everyone. Capitalism is not perfect by any means, but Communism is a proven failure.

>>133310461
>if you're not rich, why don't you give your chance of becoming rich and just make everyone poor?

>>133310461
It doesn't work.

>>133310461
I will answer the first part and skip the Trump slander thing.
No one should be able to tell me how i life my life. Under capitalism I am free to do what I want as long as it dosent hurt other people. Communism would put me in a job, I might like it dunno, but that job would be mine for life and I don't like that idea.

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>>133310461

>Bolshevik Jews
>Russian

Pick one faggot

Also Marx was German

I hate it because I hate big state politics

What amuses me most about this thread is the fact that not only is it obviously bait, but namely the fact that you guys genuinely believe that what you're spewing out of your mouths is coherent. /pol/ is the only place where your views are validated. Once you're off the computer, you're back doing your dull, 9-5 repetitive jobs 5 days a week until you vanish into dust. Nobody will remember you, or your non-existent contributions, and there is nothing you can do about it.

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>>133312515
So? As long as you life your life like you want who cares if anyone remembers you.

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>>133311952

piss on your m*thers face, rat

>>133310461
>why do you hate communism?
Because having rights is pretty sweet.
>is it because capitalism has structure?
It doesn't, that's the point. No committee deciding what you should do, or what you deserve. You're free to what you make. You're your own, your works are your own. It's freedom.

This might surprise a juvenile idiot like yourself, but ethics didn't die with the old Greeks. There are plenty of moral people who don't fancy stealing even if they're poor, and more still without your crabs in a bucket mentality.

>>133310461

Better off than most of the world, and have the skills to stay that way, as long as some asshole commie doesn't take over the military and use them to take all my shit for "redistribution" at gun point.

>>133311946
I just finished reading the first chapter of Gulag.
The idea that you'd be walking somewhere and some dude you don't know would be like "Hey anon, I haven't seen you in so long! Come here let me talk to you for a second." Then they haul you off to the Gulag where you are most likely never seen or heard from again. Spooky shit.

The other day, after reading it, some guy I've never met was like "Hey anon, don't I know you?" Nope! and I got away from him as fast as I could.

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>>133310461
Because it's literally just as Fail as almost every other utopian pipe dream.

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>>133310461
Because communism is the belief that we're all equal, I don't believe that and I never will because its not true.

They want to destroy white people

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>>133310461
Because I will inherit approx 1.25 million dollars and I want to live off that inheritence bux without having to work.

Under communism/socialism I would be forced to work. Ironically only in capitalist societies you have welfare queens and trust fund babies, who don't work jack shit but nevertheless live comfy (least for the top class)

They aren't communist because some random guy told them that communism was some "big jewish conspiracy" and that it is easier to blame Jews for everything rather than having any responisibilities or critical thinking skills.

It's the prospect of making it big in a capitalist society. Besides, I'd rather be poor in a capitalist society than a communist one. I can always just dig through the garbage behind some rich restaurant to avoid starving. Otherwise everyone starves under communism because in the end it's redistribution of poverty, not wealth.

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>>133312468
???

>>133310461
I will support Trudeau if he bans /pol in Canada.

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>>133312468
????

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>>133312468
?

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Crazy that there are still communists in the 21st century
Do you guys literally know nothing or are you such a worthless human that has nothing to offer society and no morals to stop you dragging everyone down so you can be finally equal?

>>133313938
Oh, but the rabbit hole goes even deeper, my guy.
I'M the one who was able to piss off everybody.
YOU'RE the guy who tries to play it off cool, make himself look superior and smart, when in reality you're further biting the bait by feeling as though you need to prove me wrong for yourself.

>>133314762
hook line and sinker

>>133310461
the only commies are larping western faggots who have a kindergarteners view about communism
im from a post-commie country and i can tell you without a doubt, id rather die than let my country turn red again

>>133314450
"Meh, this post is stupid. Time to move o-"
>sees canadian flag
"REEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING FAGGOT LEAF >A FUCKING LEAF
WHAT A LOSER LMAO RITE FAGGITS?!?!?!?!?! LEAFS ARE SO DUMB THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO POST ON 4CHAN WHERE IS MY 67.8 PB FOLDER OF ANTI-LEAF IMAGES SO I CAN PROVE HOW SMART AND NOT MAD I AM?!?!

>>133310461

American Capitalism works this way:
A man owns a cow. He milks the cow, sells some of the milk, drinks the rest. Then he butchers the cow, sells some of the meat, eats the rest. Then uses the money to buy a new cow.

Russian Communism works like this:
A man has a cow, but the state owns the cow. The man milks the cow, the state takes the milk and the man drinks vodka. Then the state butchers the cow and distributes the meat equally. The man gets back the tail to eat, so he drinks more vodka.

North Korean Communism works like this.
A man has a cow. He turns the cow into the state, along with his family as counter-revolutionary. Then the state butchers his family and the man eats and drinks nothing.

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>>133314932
kill yourself faggot

Because I want control over my own destiny, communism is wage slavery and is for fags also helicopter rides isn't too appealing, every economic system will have its flaws if I live in debt or am struggling to pay bills (I'm not) they are mine and my own I don't need the cult of socialism/communism to wipe my ass, better dead than red you queer.

>>133310461
it's funny, the communists in the US fucking hate capitalism, worship russia, and hate trump who they say is a puppet of russia.

That's all the evidence I need that communists are fucking retarded

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>>133310461

Because it's a jewish creation often shilled by the worst hypocritical rich bourgie jews. No thanks, YOU take that kike poison, faggot.

I don't want the commies controlling my future and destiny.

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>>133311200
>what about the millions of deaths of foreigners due to the US? or the invasion of iraq for oil and nothing else?

Oh you mean the war started by LEFTIST TROTSKYITE JEWS aka (((NEOCONS)))?

>when the biggest problem aface is the corruption of the capitalist system. we're all getting screwed over

That's true, but being against (((capitalism))) doesn't makes you a (((communist))).

Communism is capitalism. It's the jewish control of the economy. One is by the rothschild family, the other is by jewish-marxists.

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Wealth is not a fixed sized pie. Communism doesn't raise up poor people, it simply makes it hard to grow wealth and bake pies.

>>133310461
It's been tried and failed Every. Single. Time. the wealthiest, happiest and countries with the best living conditions are all capitalist. Communism was tried and it failed. Capitalism is the reason we didn't have widespread famines in the 20th century in the west. It's time to let go. Your socialist utopia is never gonna happen. Sorry to break the news to you. The Soviet Union failed. China is only rich because of the capitalist elements of it's economy but is still a shit hole that executes 1000+ people every year. Cuba is a shit hole. Venezuela is falling part and the list goes on. Just like the nazi's all you communist are living in a delusion. It has never worked. It's never going to work. History has proven this. Get over it.

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>>133316242

This. Early anarchists like Bakunin knew it, but in typical jewish fashion, anarchism was redefined by jews like ((((EMMA GOLDMAN)))) and steered into controlled opposition.

>>133310461
Because it's a failed system and it never worked.

Also the commies admit they need to kill off the 'kulaks' or middle class and do so every time.

Sorry, there's just no having it kike

>>133316569

Is there a finite amount of resources in the world

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>>133315924
>Le third way meme
>I acknowledge that I know nothing about economics
Kys all of you centrist and commies. The state should get the fuck out of peoples lives

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>>133316986
le capitalism meme
le freedom even if degeneracy continues to grow meme
Le anachism is possible meme

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>>133316986
>"the state is evil meme"
>"I'm a huge faggot that lets edgy liberals define politics on my behalf"

You've already lost, cuck.

>>133310461
Because rather than believe we are so mediocre we need the state to help us thrive, we like to think we can be productive enough to provide for ourselves and our families.

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>>133316986
Pic related is what happens when the state doesn't interfere with people's lives. You want this?

>>133316915
>Is there a finite amount of resources in the world?

Oil maybe...you can argue that oil should be collectivized to some extent. But that doesn't mean we should uproot the entire concept of profit motive. I'm even willing to listen to the idea that land shouldn't be privately owned.

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>>133310461
>REEEEEEEEE capitalism: the post
I have the right to manipulate the system like anyone else.

sage faggot

>>133310461
Late 19th century American Nativist populism is better desu. Fuck immigrants and fuck the city folk.

>>133317558
>>133317219

Couldn't give less of a fuck about the population going gay en masse. If they're fags and we lived in a truly free capitalist society, people would be FREE to discriminate against these fags. Of course, discrimination is not particularly viable in order to maximize profits, but if you were free, you should be able to discriminate agnainst whomever you want, no question. People shape society, not the state. Also, I'm minarchist, not anarchist.

>>133310719
>because they murdered 100 million people, and ruined the lives of more than a billion.
Capitalism murders 100 million people every 5 years, and it ruined the lives of more than 7 billion. Next?

>>133312681
>Iceland
>values material comfort and hedonism over the pursuit of glory and valhalla
You are a shame to your forefathers and a dissapointment to all white men.

>>133317558
Imagine how much money ancap and libertarians miss out without women in the workforce.

Why have them at home being a loyal mother when you can have them buying makeup,dresses and shoes and putting the kids into daycare which creates even more jobs and GDP.

>>133314106
Prove communism isn't a Jewish conspiracy. I'll wait.

>>133318331
>Capitalism murders 100 million people every 5 years, and it ruined the lives of more than 7 billion. Next?

Communists governments STOLE food using guns from people that had it and those people starved. Are you claiming capitalist companies murder people by not giving them free stuff? Governments NOT doing anything is akin to murder?

>>133316986
Libertarianism is not possible when you have a degenerate population.

>>133318719
>>Communists governments STOLE food using guns from people that had it and those people starved.
Sorry, what is the state again?

Cause I'm not a fucking idiot. It's failed a bunch of times you can't ever get something for nothing you people need to fuck off back to whatever dark recess you came from.

>>133310461
Because in communism I would still be struggling and forced to work 24/7. Except there is no possibility of rising up.

>>133318777
What defines degenerate? Is being gay degenerate? I mean, they did it in old greece and everyone waa fine with it, they even saw it as a good thing. Isn't all this "degenerate" thing all subjective? I mean, I personally find smoking weed or taking drugs degenerate but I certainly wouldn't forbid an adult from buying that shit.

>>133311200
ur the gayest leaf.

>>133311222
yesssssss

>chances are, you aren't a well-off banker stock broker richman. you're just a minimum-wage worker struggling

wrong

>>133319203
Actually in Greece it was only a tiny population of gays and the homo's were meant to still get married and have Children. And atheists were killed on the spot, while other degenerate things like bestiality, women in parliament,destruction of statues honoring the gods or past warriors were punished severally.

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>>133311200
>deaths of foreigners due to the US? or the invasion of iraq for oil and nothing else?
Iraq has been a shit show for centuries now, you would know this is more than HURR DURR OIL if you attended your grade 9 history classes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
- Iraq ally of the soviet union, was bombing and attacking Israelis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
- sadam had links to himself and the actions in sept 11th.

>>133319849
Nice straw man faggot.
What I meant when I gave the greek example is that degeneracy is always happening and you can't shape society how YOU want to because the way you want society is not how society works and forcing that upon others is immoral.

>>133310461
I don't, bread lines are a great place to meet girls.

http://www.holodomorct.org/accounts.html

Because communism doesn't work. It becomes strong arm fascism to function and it never leads to a workers utopia. Manufacturing plannts in Russia after the revolution became debating clubs with no work being done. The Reds had to force them back to work at gun point.

>>133320245
No the Greeks did it see degenerate if the homo didn't marry a woman and have a wife + children, it was only meant to last a few years with younger men and after that it was meant to stop. The younger man was meant to receive gifts and it was meant to be only a single lover for a limited time.

Wine and other drugs were seen as degenerate and life ruining objects.

>What I meant when I gave the greek example is that degeneracy is always happening and you can't shape society how YOU want to because the way you want society is not how society works

Uhh no sweety where's all the trannies in 1930's Germany. It's almost like you actually can rid yourselves of degeneracy you can't just pussy foot around it.

>and forcing that upon others is immoral.
Stopping a mentally ill tranny from becoming a half man half """""woman"""" beast is immoral.

Libertarians everyone

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>>133310461
Nice b8, faggot

>>133310461
>Trump is raising taxes
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>133320795
It is immoral because it's through the initiation of force. If you can persuade a to be tranny, not to do the operation, I believe that's good. What can't happen is the police/nanny state you're talking about, where people are literally forced to not do what they want with their life. People have the right to the pursuit of their own happiness. If you dont like that you can either discriminate or persuade. If you can't change that person, then you wouldn't be able to contain them anyways. They would just be gay or a tranny in hiding and it still would happen, just lokey drugs are illegal but people consume them every day.
Also, I'll say it again since you have a hard time reading, what you find "degenerate" might be all right to someone else. What makes you feel entitled to have a "better" point of view than other people is beyond me.

>>133310461
When the time comes, I WILL stand up for myself.
I will not allow some filthy Commie to push me around or threaten me with death.
I have a rifle for that very purpose.
Fucking Commie.

>>133320862
wat the fuck

>>133318331
>Capitalism murders 100 million people every 5 years, and it ruined the lives of more than 7 billion

lol

>>133310461
Cause I'm not a retard.

>>133310461
he is lowering taxes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNpw4ngXVhY

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>>133310461
KILL ALL COMMIES

>>133321965
>It is immoral because it's through the initiation of force
Nope parents punish their kids all the time, since the kids don't know what's good for them. Just like homosexuals/Communists and liberals must be controlled otherwise they'll ruin society. You don't let your son become a drug user cause it's what he wanted.

>If you can persuade a to be tranny, not to do the operation, I believe that's good.
obviously but if decides not too and if push must come to shove you better push really fucking hard so he gets the message.

>hat can't happen is the police/nanny state you're talking about, where people are literally forced to not do what they want with their life.
because you effect others, by being gay your actually effecting the moral standing of a society, there is no such thing as a victimless crime since even drug use encourages others and shows it's a "natural" thing to do. You do not exist in a vacuum like libertarians would love to believe It's why gay parents on average have way more gay kids.

> If you dont like that you can either discriminate or persuade. If you can't change that person, then you wouldn't be able to contain them anyways.

Wrong if I don't like someone I remove them from my nation especially if they harm it, and I most certainly can remove degenerates see Nazi Germany and America locking up potential jap fifth columns during the war.

>They would just be gay or a tranny in hiding and it still would happen
Wrong being gay or a tranny is a learnt thing no one is born gay, and even then if their secret then their no long harming society and you can't catch them. Same argument would be why attempt to catch a killer if you can't catch 100% of them.

>I'll say it again since you have a hard time reading, what you find "degenerate" might be all right to someone else.
natural laws and the law of the Bible, if you want to go have gay orgies go ahead but don't complain when a death squad rolls up and shoots you.

>>133310461
WE ARE FOR THE IDEA

We just aren't morons and realize it won't work.

>>133310461
>Republican raising taxes.

You don't get out much, do you?

>>133321965
>What makes you feel entitled to have a "better" point of view than other people is beyond me. Prove your muh freedom is supeior

You can't
>inb4 muh natrual laws
>muh everyone in every single society ever didn't actually believe in statism, they were all tricked by dem pig cops

Might makes right my way is objectively superior because it creates a functioning society built on trust and morality which would last and ensure safety and a continuing society, rather then a do whatever you want communism,liberalism,homosexuality,drug addiction. We're all free here man. In which this society would collapse within 100 years of it's creation

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>>133310461

Communist past still kills my country. Fuck commies.

>>133323055
First of all, adults are not children. Therefore, they don't need the state "guiding" them to do anything. If you're talking about parents being able to educate children any way they want, then I'm all up for it. If you want to educate your kid not to be gay, that's fine by me. It's adults we're talking about here. Of course you're not going to let your kid become a drug addict, but the state has no obligation nor should it have the authority to force people to do anything.

About your second point, you're basically saying there is no choice. It's either they do it or they do it. That's an infringement on their personal freedom and therefore, immoral.

Onto your third point, you say " you affect others" implying I somehow believe peolle don't affect other people. What? Anyways, of course people affect others, that's obvious, and since the initiation of force is immoral in an of itself, it's safe to assume you'd have to either discriminate, and be free to discriminate, or persuade the masses. One thing you NatSocs don't see is that the state has only certain obligations, and ruling how people live their lives is not one of them. This thinking that you guys have is borderline communist, thinking the state has obligation to do anything and everything.
It's not the state that has responsibilities, it's the people living in it. If you don't like trannys, you should be free to say it out loud and not be censored. The degeneracy of today happens because people with different opinions than the mainstream are censored and sometimes even jailed which is causing all this degeneracy to grow. The trick to solving this is more freedom of speech, not more censorship.

Finally, your last point, you mention the bible. People are free to believe whatever the fuck they want, it's in the US Constitution even.

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What people think communism is: Government provides you with everything you need and all wealth is equally distributed.

What communism actually is: The government owns everything, the government takes most of what you earn or produce, and you either work, starve, or work and starve anyway.

>>133325232
>What communism actually is: The government owns everything
Read a book, moron.

>>133325124
>First of all, adults are not children. Therefore, they don't need the state "guiding" them to do anything.
Wrong plenty of millinieals and lower educated people still need people to guide them, turning 18 doesn't suddenly make you smart.

>It's adults we're talking about here
Yeah and? how many communists are "adults", how many transsexual freaks are "adults". How many stupid niggers are "adults". Too many

>Of course you're not going to let your kid become a drug addict, but the state has no obligation nor should it have the authority to force people to do anything.

If the parent failed and the "adults" drug addicted the state needs to step in to stop future crime or another drug addict being created.

>About your second point, you're basically saying there is no choice. It's either they do it or they do it. That's an infringement on their personal freedom and therefore, immoral.

There is no such as personal "rights" since nothing is guaranteed except at the end of a barrel of a gun. Why do we lock killers in prison that's taking away their personal freedom.

>Anyways, of course people affect others, that's obvious, and since the initiation of force is immoral in an of itself, it's safe to assume you'd have to either discriminate
No putting a mentally ill person into a hospital before he murders someone in not immoral. I stop communists and homosexuals before they spread and destroy society. Imitation of force is not immoral, and even if it is you need your own force to stop it proving Might makes Right.

> One thing you NatSocs don't see is that the state has only certain obligations, and ruling how people live their lives is not one of them
Wrong by being a communist you are harming everyone in that society, and are declaring yourself a traitor to the entire state. You must be removed

part 1 of x

>>133311468
>Denmark
Also inb4 Scandinavian socialism and their high quality of life indices which liberals always point to. All of Northern Europe was built on capitalism/market economies like anything else, and has descended into irrelevancy since the last generation or so, coasting on that momentum. What you have now is a complacent, docile populace that is vulnerable to invasion and full communist takeovers.

>>133325124
>One thing you NatSocs don't see is that the state has only certain obligations, and ruling how people live their lives is not one of them

That's called laws stopping someone from killing someone is also controlling their lives. Stopping someone from giving out free drugs to people to get them addicted because they come from a lower social,economical background is not immoral

>This thinking that you guys have is borderline communist, thinking the state has obligation to do anything and everything.
Wrong natsoc has private,business,ownership,private housing, right of religion and many other things.

>It's not the state that has responsibilities, it's the people living in it.
If I'm living in the state the state represents me and I want trannies out.

> If you don't like trannys, you should be free to say it out loud and not be censored.
And then they continue to spread anyway because their also free to spread their opinion as well

>The degeneracy of today happens because people with different opinions than the mainstream are censored and sometimes even jailed which is causing all this degeneracy to grow.
A mixture of that and themselves getting to spread their ideas. Where are all the communists and fat feminist hambeasts in Nazi Germany if your theory is so correct?

>The trick to solving this is more freedom of speech, not more censorship.

That also means they get propaganda and if we have so many retarded "adult" communists they will continue to spread, Communism in the conservative 1950's America did spread even with freedom of speech.

All your points assume people are smart enough to not fall for communism when in fact people get addicted to drugs, get overweight,watch one news site, become gay all with freedoms from the 1950's

>Finally, your last point, you mention the bible. People are free to believe whatever the fuck they want, it's in the US Constitution even.
And who's to say that's Correct?

>>133325232
I'm anti communist but you fucking retards don't even know what communism, how do you expect to argue against this.

This is why the superior people from society should guide you absolute idiots

>>133310461
There are people more successful than me. Sure.
But if we flatten everyones' needs to average, I still take a loss.

>>133314762
This dude is so edgy

Because it does the opposite of what it says on the tin

>>133310461

It is an inherently materialistic and atheistic ideology, and so condemns its adherents to hell.

>>133315924
This

>>133310461
It's because even though it may be a struggle for some of us to pay the bills month to month we still have some of the best standards of living in the world. Keep complaining you stupid faggot

who would want a grey a4 life with no dreams or hopes? no grind and reward? no excitement for the future?
communism might maybe work for people that would otherwise be homeless, but not for anyone else.

>>133311200
> we are all getting screwed over

You are a lazy sack of shit. Communism is pure evil. You have beniffited by living the most prosperous eras in history. You have an iPhone, a flat screen TV, a car, a plece to live, food. Wtf else do you want you spoiled piece of shit. Idk what you expect the government to give you. A nicer car? A nicer house? For what exactly, Breathing? People in the west are so fucking spoiled and comfortable. The self entitlement you have is disgusting. You do not deserve other people hard work or ideas because you believe you are entitled. Kill yourself

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