You know, I have this internal conflict raging in my head between

>Libertarians let savages in because MUH FREE MOVEMENT OF IDEAS, PEOPLE, GOODS, AND CAPITAL
>Libertarians throw their ideals in the trash to combat the problem they created

This is an 18+ board OP. Take your middle school ideology back to middle school.

>>133300865
libertarianism doesnt mean lawlessness and no borders.

jesu christ the globalist brainwashing is real.

i smell a shill thread.

>>133300865
Oh now leftists care about Waco. Fuck outta here with that shit

>>133300865

The ATF should exist, to make sure communists dont have guns and aren't engaging in illegal degenerate activity. Really, they should make sure communists dont exist at all. So yes, they shouldnt exist, they would be redundant with einsatzgruppen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keAK_Uzm6po

Wow, maybe you don't have to be an ideological hardliner just for the sake of it, because the world is a complex place.

It's easy to be a idealist of any kind when you don't have to deal with real-world situations where your ideas are put to the test

I doubt a citizen of Chicago who's been on the receiving end of criminality cares if the federal government might violate the NAP

>>133300865
The only real argument against the ATF is that other agencies could or already do take on the same responsibilities. Would it make any difference to just pretend it's the FBI, DHS, DEA or Federal Marshals?

>>133303113
Actually they would have private property rights and laws so there would be no state property one could legally move through. The concept you explain is a misunderstood strawman like trickle down economics.

The second thing you said makes no sense. It may seem counter intuitive to you but just because you don't have the state do something doesn't mean the people shouldn't or can't.

>>133304375

>Actually they would have private property rights and laws so there would be no state property one could legally move through.

Who is "one"? The people that half the country has no problem allowing in? Do you really think your private property rights are going to help the fact that you are surrounded by r-strategists and their third-world pets?

>The second thing you said makes no sense. It may seem counter intuitive to you but just because you don't have the state do something doesn't mean the people shouldn't or can't.

OP said, I don't like this government agency but I like it when they do things I agree with.

>>133300865
Libertarianism is an ideology which can only realistically exist once we've purged leftist filth and non-whites leaving those responsible enough to actually excercise their freedoms free to do so.

>>133305692
Yeah, I'm beginning to feel as though it's the other side of the coin that is teenage idealism. I'm not sure I can support it anymore