>T-Trump didn't get any help from the Russians, it's

>>133283948
She's about to be BLACKED

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He got help from a Russian citizen, not their government.

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>>133283948

a russian lawyer ≠ "the russians"

Anyone have the Pepe of OP's image? I'm missing mine.

>>133283948

"He got helped"

He got nothing you fucking retard

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>>133283948
Donald Drumpf is a traitor and should get imprisoned. Hillary will be president by the end of the year

Screencap this


Fuck Donald Drumpf

>>133283948
>T-Trump got help from the Russians

I thought that turned out to be a big nothing burger. What help did the Trump campaign actually receive? thx

>>133283948
Do you even read your own propaganda?

The argument is "Trump didn't actually get any help, but Don Jr. thought he was getting help and that's illegal."

for fucks sake, give it a rest.
she lost mate, you sound like that old bastard in the retirement home muttering about being robbed in his 20's of being best on ground in some football match no one gives a fuck about.
He hates immigrants and refugees, move up to trupoo land and wait 10 years if you want to live in a cucked country

>>133284334
This is gold. Saved.

>>133284380
Attempted liquor store robberies aren't illegal either, right?

>>133283948

What on earth do you chimps actually think you're accomplishing?

>>133283948
You know how much money, time, and, power this crazy bitch from Arkansas owes. I too would go after him and his family if I were in her same position.

>>133284471
They think that if a million of them keep tap away randomly for 8 years that one of them will eventually impeach Hamlet.

Hahaha this is just going to be more nothing burger shit thats going to do nothing towards the impeachment of trump. Keep wasting your time on this garbage. Please.

>>133284469

It really depends in how poorly you rub it.

In theory you could rob it so poorly that no one knows you even made an attempt.

>>133284380
Honest question... what are your thoughts on child sex sting operations where dudes are arrested for showing up to a house to have sex with a minor even though it never happens?

>>133283948
'the russians'... you mean a private citizen unrelated to the Kremlin? 'the russians'... McCarthy would be proud. Keep an eye on your precious bodily fluids, you know that's what the ruskies really want.

And what help was gotten actually? I wasn't aware Trump senior was at the meeting. Don Jr got catfished and naturally wanted to gather some dirt, turned out to be some DNC scam. Now how exactly is that Trump getting help?

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>>133283948
Drrrmpfff Jrrpf!!!!!

>>133284035
He didn't even get help from her. Lefties are completely irrational.

>>133284900
here's a thought.
Hillary AND Trump engaged in dirty underhanded shit when the elections were on.
both of them.
The kettle is definitely black lad, just accept defeat, fuck your gay ass analogies off and work on winning the next one. If you work hard enough the islamic state you envision may become a reality.
>n-n-no they love peace like us if we show them peace they will give it back
heh

>>133283948
Why are Americans so fucking scared of Russians?

>>133285548
red dawn. seriously
also poking a tiger back in the cold war days and being surprised and scared when the tiger growled

>>133285349
>He didn't even get help from her. Lefties are completely irrational.

>trump has lied about this from the begining
>irrational

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>>133284035
Then why was the meeting portrayed to Donald Jr. as part of the effort by the Russian govt. to support Trump's campaign?

>>133284900
Nice false equivalency concerning intent.

Don Jr didn't even get information, and EVEN IF HE HAD, it would have been from a non-government citizen source. Intent never mattered.

Why are lefties so fucking bad at law? Pathetic gotcha question scum.

>>133283948
Before you lose the plot again, here are the arguments: The national defense statute you've been spouting is clearly retarded and inapplicable, but one of you actually did some research instead of just shouting treeeeson, but this argument fails as well.

11 CFR 110.20 governs political contributions by foreign citizens, and prohibits

"a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value".

As the statute is meant to address foreigners making monetary donations or donations of economic value like personal property (such as diamond rings) or realty. 'Anything of value' is clearly intended to cover direct economic contributions, not mere words.

Also the statute is meant to cover donations to campaigns, PACs, etc. Don Jr was not part of the campaign. Merely being related to a candidate does not make you part of their campaign.

So this statute is inapplicable to the facts.

Also, speech by any person lawfully in the US is protected by the 1st amendment. Any government prohibition on speech is very hard to restrict. SCOTUS has stated that out of all the categories of free speech, political speech deserves "THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF PROTECTION" under the 1st amendment, which is how we got Citizens United.

It is clear that speech from a foreign national regarding a campaign cannot be unlawful. Just like it is not unlawful to seek and obtain opposition research.

Perfect example: Hillary and the dems hired a firm to get oppo on trump. A member of this firm was a british ex spy who provided the vast majority of the info. This oppo is the pissgate dossier. Notice how the MSM or anyone else ever raised any issues of illegality on how this was obtained or whether a foreigner can provide this information. That's because its NOT a crime

>>133285961
>Don Jr didn't even get information, and EVEN IF HE HAD, it would have been from a non-government citizen source. Intent never mattered.
lol

>>133283948
Everyone involved in what you're talking about have all stated that the help wasn't given. All other points aside you're wrong.

>>133285961
>Why are lefties so fucking bad at law?
because a bachelor of arts majoring in womens studies doesn't help you with legal matters.
>that one lawyer you always see at lefty rallies.
the literal jesus of the cuck gathering

>>133286141
>Everyone involved in what you're talking about have all stated that the help wasn't given.

since the have non stop lied about this at every juncture in every way possible until being found out this is the one thing we can believe them about

>>133284469
lmao are you really equating opposition research with robbing a liquor store? what the fuck man

god damn lefties are crazy as hell

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>>133285961
Its all they have left

>>133286155
It's always that Flex your Rights faggot with the pony nub

>>133286092
>I'm laughing while standing beside my shifted goalposts and false conclusions filled with hyperbole
>d-drumpf BTFO

>>133285548
Most of us aren't. The portion of the deep state that is against Trump is using the Russians as propaganda to delegitimize Trump's presidency, and the hard lefties are the only ones who are scared. The rest of us are beyond sick of the "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" meme. Raising tensions with a nuclear power to score political brownie points at home is fucking bullshit.

>>133285548
we're not, but our leaders need to prop up our military industrial complex somehow

>>133286092
lol all you want bro, I gotta take a piss, perhaps if you allow me to do it in your mouth you'll get a taste of champagne from the winners circle.
this thread will 404 and you'll make or contribute to another 'waaaaaaah why is trump winner waaaaaaahhh'
sad!

>>133285893
And when this turns out to be a big nothingburger that you have thumped your chest over and declared victory, and nothing happens, what then?

>>133284035
Treason requires a foreign national. I think you are confused about the importance of whether that Russian lawyer worked for the Russian government.

>>133286326
I believe it more than a buncha lefties spouting treason without knowing the definition or saying he did something that isn't even illegal. Idgaf about lies. They all do that. I just care about one thing. He isn't Hillary. And that's a plus. It's the gift that keeps on giving. She lost. That's all that matters.

>>133285938
Because it was an action by an individual and in no part does it even hint at it being officially sanctioned? Or do you believe that there aren't corrupt politicians in russia who work to protect their interests, and thats just an american thing.

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>>133283948
Russian whore had no useful information, therefore no help was received.

>>133285938
>Then why was the meeting portrayed to Donald Jr. as part of the effort by the Russian govt. to support Trump's campaign?

because it was an obvious set up and that lawyer is associated with the Fusion GPS firm that was involved in creating the pissgate dossier

it's pretty sad you couldn't figure that out yourself

and do you really think a Russian government agent would point the finger at Russia? read your own image again lmfao

DRUMPF DRUMPF DRUMPF

drumpf is weeks away to go to jail and i love it

DRUMPF DRUMPF DRUMPF

>>133283948
>trump is about to start full-scale diplomatic war with russia
>liberals still whining about muh collusion

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>>133283948
who's this Aryan goddess ?

>>133285548
Idk its pretty shocking. I'm not even a fan of politics or Trump but this fearmongering and insanity by the libs and MSM makes me want to beat them. They look like complete lunatics

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>Hillary is a corrupt, arrogant asshole but the info on her came from le Russia so it doesn't matter!!!!

>>133286414
/thread

>>133286563
I heard my local news less than an hour ago say there might be a possible treason investigation into DJT jr.

it's incredible the scope of the lies these days, it takes three seconds to find out that the crime of treason requires a DECLARATION OF WAR

and we are most certainly not at war with Russia (thank god)

>>133283948
Where is the crime?

>>133284170
Two things - conspiracy to commit treason is a punishable offense regardless of the success of the act, and campaign finance violation (federal crime) also does not require the act of gaining aid from a foreign national to be successful to be prosecuted

>>133284009
That's a bold allegation. She seems to just be happy to see an old friend.

>>133286550
Requires a foreign national from a country you're actively at war with. This isn't treason. At best it's collusion but not by trump or the campaign. And even then there's still nothing wrong whatsoever with what happened.

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>>133286914
>ahh, BBC, my old friend

>>133284035
Natalia Veselnitskaya... This is not some random lawyer the Kremlin doesn't know well (as they asserted in a WaPo article I submitted).
She was counsel on the Russian-owned Prevezon Holdings money laundering thru real estate case in Manhattan, which was promptly settled without public disclosures of information or trial just after Preet Bharara was fired:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-13/u-s-reaches-5-9-million-deal-in-russian-fraud-laundering-case
For a related, frightening refresher on the origin of "Magnitsky Acts":
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/03/24/lawyer-with-key-evidence-in-russian-corruption-scandals-falls-from-building-before-testifying/#3200a365526c

>>133286889
Neither of those things have been met per the elements of the crimes.

>>133284035
Gorokhov, the attorney for Magnitsky's family (after M. died of heart failure and other problems in prison at the age of 37) was pushed from his 4th story window in Moscow the day before he was scheduled to testify against the Russian government.
In addition,
Gorokhov is a key witness for the United States government in a related money laundering suit against Prevezon Holdings. In that suit, filed in 2013 by former Department of Justice attorney Preet Bharara, the feds allege that a Russian criminal organization "including corrupt Russian officials" defrauded Russian taxpayers out of approximately 5.4 billion rubles ($230 million U.S.) through a tax refund fraud scheme. To hide the fraud, the feds allege that money was funneled through an elaborate series of transfers.
What's the U.S. connection? The money laundering allegedly included the purchase of Manhattan real estate with funds from the fraud. As a result, the suit seeks forfeiture of a number of assets and real estate holdings.
In other words, this is not some garden-variety Russian lawyer. I would put money on Trump being somehow aware of if not related to these Manhattan real estate dealings and the Kremlin + her connection to them. She was likely part of an operation that tried to kill multiple lawyers and journalists to keep a massive government corruption scandal from surfacing in two countries. Considering how incredibly well-connected Trump is on the NY real estate scene, I cannot fathom that he wasn't aware of these cases and these people.

>>133287071
Remember to archive
>https://forbes com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/03/24/lawyer-with-key-evidence-in-russian-corruption-scandals-falls-from-building-before-testifying/#3200a365526c
https://archive.is/XURJx

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>>133283948
Yup that's a great conviction you guys got. Sure makes me think that old hag who murdered a bunch of people leaked classified info and wanted open boarders would have been a great choice. Her time will be 2020. Yup sure showed me.

>>133285961
Jesus fucking Christ Trump people are dumb....

>>133286889
>Two things - conspiracy to commit treason is a punishable offense regardless of the success of the act, and campaign finance violation (federal crime) also does not require the act of gaining aid from a foreign national to be successful to be prosecuted

yeah since you clearly don't understand that treason requires a declaration of war, I'm just going to assume you have no comprehension of the law and the second part about campaign finance is false

>>133283948
Russians in the context that the MSM has been using. Meaning, the Kremlin, faggot OP.
The way retards like you have been carrying on about this and the way retards like you make even less informed retards carry on about this, you dipshits seem to feel (not think because you retards don't think) that any and all Russians are the same as the Kremlin officials. Kys and stop stealing oxygen from creatures who actually utilize it the way they are supposed to.

>>133286915
An act of war does not require war to be declared in order to occur. That's where you're all getting confused. Attempting to receive aid from a foreign national for the purpose of influencing an election is what you got here

>>133287189
Hillary's gonna win don't worry

Trump won't get the nuclear codes, and he won't win the nomination

ts not where the info came from but what it contains that is important. What are (((they))) hiding Clinton pedo podesta emails perhaps.

>>133287304
Still not treason or illegal.

>>133287358
???

Are you having a stroke?

>>133286719
>DRUMPF DRUMPF DRUMPF
>drumpf is weeks away to go to jail and i love it
smiled hernandez as he finished the sentence.
'No one will ever know I'm an illegal Mexican here'
It had been a big week for Hernandez, narrowly escaping the two ICE officers who showed up as he was mowing Mrs Smiths lawn. slowly and with no work ethic whatsoever.
As he settled down to a plate of corn chips with pink shit and smegma poured over them he wondered to himself if his fight was worth it but the ancient aztec god Hillaruku had visited him in his dreams the night before and promised him and his 23 children and short squat mustached wife that everything would be ok.
you have to go back. all of you.

>>133287089
Actually both have. That's why everyone is so shocked about the email string. Don stated his interest in aid from a foreign national that would influence the election

>>133287189
>here's how Bernie can still win

I'm salting my swordfish with your post

>>133283948
My answer has always been who the fuck cares? The US meddles in other nations ALL THE TIME. Why is it suddenly a big deal when it happens to them? It's not a big deal. It shows the incompetence of the established elite that they couldn't prevent it. They stirred up civil wars all across the middle east and ignorantly thought they were immune. Russia taught them a lesson that needed to be learned.

Clinton was clearly anti-Russia and wanted to spark WW3 in Syria. Of course Russia is going to try their best to prevent her election. Their meddling had nothing to do with using Trump as a puppet and EVERYTHING to do with preventing a Clinton presidency. If that stupid whore wasn't such a war mongering psychopath they wouldn't have felt the need to intervene.

Fuck Clinton and fuck the establishment.

>>133287121
>Trump is an incompetent business nobody, he went bankrupt 100000000 times
>Trump is a powerful and brilliantly connected New York business genius, the dark puppeteer behind a web of Russian intrigue

>>133283948
is that real news or did you hear it on CNN?

>>133287189
Not an argument

>>133287196
The 2nd part is not false and I've stated why. Treason does not require a state of war. I looked it up to be sure and there have been treason convictions in the US when war has not been formally declared

>>133287593
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/11/did_the_clinton_campaign_collude_with_ukraine.html
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/10/everybody-is-forgetting-that-clinton-allies-did-the-same-thing-as-don-jr/
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

hmm why didn't anybody speak of criminality then? because it's not a fucking crime

you psuedointellectual leftists are by far the worst breed, you act like you're intelligent and capable of rational discussion but literally everything you post is a lie, or simply factually wrong

fuck off

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>>133284035
>He got help from a Russian citizen

You spelled "Israeli Agent" wrong.

>>133284035
/thread

>>133287798
The Democrat Party is not the government.

>>133287466
It's both treason and illegal and even if you continue to ignore the treason aspect attempting to receive campaign aid from a foreign national is a federal crime

>>133287798
You do realize if your allegations are false (which, if true would never be proven anyway, she lost, get over it), you are committing treason?

>>133284248
Don't you have a daughter to drive to a refugee camp?

>>133287696

Definitely the first. The incompetence and arrogance is what leads to the Russian stuff.

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>>133286779
A coal burner

>>133287593
they're feigning shock because they're pissed off Don took the narrative away from NYT which they had planned to string out for a while. I assure you he did this under his lawyer's advice and theyre not going to be idiots. I think it was a brilliant move, brought this to a head where it could be shown that not only did no crime occur, but the receipt of information from a foreign national is exactly what the DNC did with Steele, which nobody considered a crime. And these legal 'experts' they are trotting out on the news, what a joke, total partisan hacks purposely butchering terms, tests, and facts.

>>133287653
>Clinton was clearly anti-Russia and wanted to spark WW3 in Syria. Of course Russia is going to try their best to prevent her election. Their meddling had nothing to do with using Trump as a puppet and EVERYTHING to do with preventing a Clinton presidency. If that stupid whore wasn't such a war mongering psychopath they wouldn't have felt the need to intervene.
>Fuck Clinton and fuck the establishment.

Yeah there are plenty of articles in places like Jerusalem Post talking about how treasonous it is that Trump is accepting an outcome that doesn't remove Assad. And even worse for the kikes it leaves Chechens in Russian military uniforms across their border allied with Assad.

The DNC and the Clinton machine are essentially an arm of Mossad at this point, and their shared goal is to have America pre-emptively fight Israel's enemies.

>>133288059
Tell that to Hillary with her 25gorrillian in Saudi campaign aid. Are you retarded by chance?

>>133284248
>svede bro wants murrca to experience the pain of mohammed ramming his asshole
come on mate, sour grapes much?

>>133288059
Those regulations and laws clearly pertain to only MONETARY AID you fucking retard neck yourself

>>133287831
It's a crime based on the campaign finance law that states foreign aid can't be solicited. In his email he said that's what he wanted. Omitting meetings with Russian nationals in order to obtain security clearance is also a federal crime

>>133283948
Except no help was given? How fucky is your reading comprehension?

>>133287831
>http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/11/did_the_clinton_campaign_collude_with_ukraine.html

Did you even read this piece?
>The Politico story doesn’t implicate the Clinton campaign directly so much as it does the DNC—which, Vogel and Stern wrote, was briefed on Manafort following a meeting between Chalupa, Ukrainian Ambassador Valeriy Chaly, and one of the ambassador’s aides at the Ukrainian embassy in March 2016. It’s not clear whether DNC officials were aware that Chalupa was working with Ukranian officials at that point. The story does, however, say that DNC officials encouraged Chalupa to ask for a meeting with Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko to gather more information about Manafort, a meeting that never happened:
>It’s important to remember that what’s ultimately concerning about Russiagate is the possibility that the Trump campaign—including staffers now employed in the White House by the president—worked with a hostile government whose leaders attempted to influence and disrupt the election with cyberattacks. The Chalupa story is about officials in an embassy passing along opposition research to a Democratic operative and reporters. The two episodes are not close to being the same, but that fact obviously won’t stop Trump’s supporters from deploying the story for yet another round of Clinton whataboutism.

This is all just a big juicy nothingburger to keep the infighting going. This is what it looks like when (((they))) are winning. We can't keep going at each other like this

>>133288059
For fucks sake, just do a google search for 15 seconds.
18 USC 2381
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason.

We are not at war with Russia and they are not an enemy. They are diplomatic allies in in every sense. Just because 25% of the country screeches that Russia is bad doesn't make them an enemy under foreign policy.

See >>133286051 and stop being such an ignorant pedant

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>>133288314
>"leads to" the "Russian stuff"

Damn, we got us a Perry Mason over here. Can't wait to see Trump imprisoned over leading to the Russian stuff

Go refill your mug of Brock semen, you've earned it

>>133284035
>>133284248
>>133284380
>>133285938
>>133285961
>>133286414
It's Happening! Hillary Colluded With Ukraine to Tip the Election in Clinton’s Favor

Evidence reveals that Ukraine intervened to tilt the election in favor of its national interests

http://observer.com/2017/01/ukraine-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-election/

>>133288902

Not my fault the Trump's are so stupid that they'd jump at the possibility to collude with a foreign power. That's what happens when you've never had to work in your life and everything is given to you though.

>>133288736
Christ you're a retard

>>133283948
>strawman

>>133288404
Yes, the classic it's not wrong because see someone else did it defense. This will be the last time I respond to THAT particular argument because only the most retarded of /pol/tards make it
>>133288552
Nope receiving "assistance" from a foreign national is a violation and it does not require a money value to be assigned. Someone told you that and you ran with it. That's the danger of existing in an echo chamber

>>133289184

I don't go around posting articles that undercut my argument soooooo suck muh dick.

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>>133283948
Bill Clinton took campaign donations from the CHICOM military during the 1996 election, but the US media failed to report on it.
Google it.

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>>133289133
>they'd jump to do a legal thing that would help them win an election
>that legal thing never occurred

You're having a great day

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>>133283948
Here's what you people actually look like.

>>133288845
Sorry kiddo, but again treason doesn't require a declaration of war and in fact has been persecuted in the US with no war declaration

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>look, it didn't work so it's not a crime!!!!

>>133285548

We aren't. Most of us sane ones would be more than happy to team up with them and conquer the planet.

Liberals on the other hand are mentally ill. They cannot comprehend how they lost and are desperately flailing about for any excuse to blame someone else for their own failures, no matter how retarded.

In their broken brains, brokering a deal to sell russia 20% of our uranium stockpile when they are in power is perfectly acceptable, while shaking the hand of the russian ambassador after a speech is high treason.

These people do not live in the same reality as the rest of us. They legitimately should be locked away for their own safety.

>>133289402
>legal thing

Don't count your chickens. Mueller ain't done yet champ.

>>133284398
it would be if there were any actual evidence to support it. there's more evidence to support russian collusion from trump than anything about obama tapping phone lines, that's just some crazy shit trump tweeted, why would I believe a delusional 70 year old man who warned everyone for years that the black man was going to cave our country and create a police state etc that never fucking came close to happening? I mean fuck, people are stupid, you know there's no basis or evidence and you still larp all day

>>133283948
Spell out exactly what Donald Trump Jr. got from the meeting. I'll wait.

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The bearded lady is having a complete meltdown

I can't stop laughing at how funny this whole nothingburger is

>>133289558
Yeah /pol/ is so retarded that they will make that statement. They had to put specific wording in the law to state that the attempt doesn't need to be successful in order to be a violation. They actually had to write something that obvious down because of idiots like we have here
>pol

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>>133289654
>Special Legal Thing Persecuter

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Watching the back-peddling and attempts at misdirection are quite hilarious.

You conservatives are really so afraid of admitting being wrong. It's like watching children.

>>133283948
No one cares, russians are more pro american than the worthless numales and whores in the DNC, if they helped us avoid the destruction of the US then they are cool in my book. Fuck off shill

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>>133289762
Spent a year working on nothing. And he gets paid for it.

>>133289837
it's learned ignorance. it supports their narrative. both sides are guilty of this, no one thinks for themself anymore

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>>133290194
The shekels won't run dry for a while. Plenty of semen left in David Brock.

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>>133288555
>Russian citizen has visa denied
>miraculously enters the country anyway just in time to meet with Don Jr.
>peddles bullshit, Don Jr. walks out
>turns out she has ties to Democrat-aligned NGO, Fusion GPS
>this is the Democrat's proof of "Russian collusion"

Hmm, that's odd! Remind me again who was president in 2016 and had the capabilities of approving an under-the-table visit?

>>133289224
>Nope receiving "assistance" from a foreign national is a violation and it does not require a money value to be assigned. Someone told you that and you ran with it. That's the danger of existing in an echo chamber

Here's an NBC article where career attorneys discuss whether information can be considered a contribution:

But as a legal matter, "that's stretching it," said Craig Donsanto, who spent more than 40 years working on election-law cases at the Justice Department before he retired. "Where is the contribution?"
Another national security law expert agreed but asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
Providing secrets to a foreign government is espionage, and representing one for money without registering might violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act, he said. But accepting information from a foreign government that might be helpful to your campaign is not illegal, he added.

The statute clearly addresses contributions of monetary value. To read that words have monetary value as a contribution not only goes against obvious legislative intent, but also raises important 1st amendment issues on political speech, which are given the highest degree of protection of all first amendment speech categories according to SCOTUS

>>133283948
b-b-but her emails....

>>133289558
no its not a crime so its not a crime

>>133287798
Treason requires two elements be met:
>The person owes his allegiance to the government

and either:
>Levying war against the US government, or;
>Giving aid or comfort to the government's enemies.

The second element is not met for what Don Jr did.

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post yfw r/the_donald and /ptg/ meltdown upon impeachment

>>133290420
>*mic drop*

/thread

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>>133283948

I don't understand what the liberal are
fighting for..............

Multi million dollar whore Hillary?
Bullshit Bernie?
Millions of illegals that steal your tax dollars and rape your daughters?
Muslims that fucked up their country to come and fuck up ours?

I am really confused what these people want and think some of them border on insane or stupid

>>133290194
Well, you took that tweet out of context to be fair. He actually told Don Jr that he was going to publish that, and after Don consulted with several people including his dad they decided to post the emails themselves to try to get ahead of this and appear transparent. It was a questionable thing to do because now he does not have the option to lie and say the email are fake. So the tweet wasn't that guy being sad about being scooped, rather that Don Jr caused self inflicted wounds.

>>133283948
>Trump colluded with the Russians to hack the DNC!
>W-Well Trump Jr colluded with a Russian to talk about adoption!

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>>133290713
Sorry, this /thread has finished and ShareBlue lost, like all the other threads

Take a 15 minute health and wellness break and then back to work, slave

>>133290405
You're going with that? Hey have fun

>>133287831
>you psuedointellectual leftists are by far the worst breed, you act like you're intelligent and capable of rational discussion
You just lumped leftists into a category and stereotyped them. That's not rational discussion.

>>133283948
>>133287696
>>133286822
>>133284388
>>133290865
strawman

>>133283948
You are correct. Trump fucked up bigly this time. It's all but over now.

>>133288555
There is no law suggestion a private citizen can't listen to a Russian.

No campaign financing took place, and Trump Jr. wouldn't be in the position to accept campaign donations. What is his role in the campaign?

>>133283948
r/le_donald btfo

>>133291045
You Godless heathen don't get it, do you?

Trump is chosen by God to destroy amoral progressives and the kike media. He will always win, so lube up.

>>133289451
You are so full of shit. The US just brought its first treason case in 50 years against guy who joined the Taliban. Before that the last sets of treason cases were in WW2, where people aided the enemy. Before that it was civil war treason. Stop lying

>>133291106

Leftists are a category and stereotype, neither of which is capable of rational discussion.

Frankly, you all belong in rubber rooms.

>>133289451
No treason took place though.

>>133291595
>Frankly, you all belong in rubber rooms.
>you all
Strawman, you assumed my political position. You aren't a rational debater.

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Hillary sells 1/3 of U.S. uranium to Russia
Bill Clinton pulls in $500k soon after

but Trump is colluding?.....are you serious?
How fucking stupid are libtards

>>133289224
>Nope receiving "assistance" from a foreign national is a violation and it does not require a money value to be assigned. Someone told you that and you ran with it. That's the danger of existing in an echo chamber

Information is not assistance. Trump Jr is not a campaign official. No campaign contributions were made. None were proposed. Only the transfer of information to Trump Jr, a private US citizen.

>>133290420
Yeah they were saying that on CNN to but most media is beginning to correct themselves citing the actual law. The "anything of value" part is what is tripping people up. Here:

To solicit means to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value. A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value. A solicitation may be made directly or indirectly. The context includes the conduct of persons involved in the communication.

>>133283948
he didn't even receive any info

shit bait anyway sage

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>>133284170
That's like saying the men at To Catch A Predator didn't rape kids.... yet. So their free to leave.

The intent was clearly there and is punishable.

>>133290560
He most certainly met the 2nd part. The Russians want to subvert a US election and Don was dumb enough to be the patsy

>>133291704

I didn't assume anything you mentally ill waste of space.

Who exactly do you chimps think you're fooling?

>>133289837
>They had to put specific wording in the law to state that the attempt doesn't need to be successful in order to be a violation

What law was that? I haven't seen any of you retards actually produce a concrete law, just a bunch of easily refutable falsehoods. its not a crime because its not a crime

>>133292152
You assumed that I am a leftist with the "you all". Relatively classic strawman.

>>133292289

You outed yourself as a leftist when you acted like a fucking leftist and defended leftists.

So again, who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

>>133291500
There was a treason case involving a mining strike I believe. And like I said "act of war" is what's tripping everyone up. An act of war can occur when no formal war has been declared

>>133292162
Campaign finance. I looked it up

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>>133292452
>You outed yourself as a leftist when you acted like a fucking leftist
>acted like a fucking leftist
There's no logic to that statement. You're not only lumping leftists into a behavioral category but you're assuming anyone with that behavior is a leftist.

>defended leftists.
I didn't, I pointed out all of the strawman arguments in the thread after skimming over it regardless of the view they presented. Pointing out logical flaws does not equate to disagreement nor defense of the other side. I didn't express any political opinions.

>>133292529
Why in the FUCK would this be treason? That is retarded.

>>133292151
Yeah, no. Giving us information is nowhere near giving aid and comfort even if she had worked for the Russian government, which she didn't, and even if she had delivered information that was harmful to Hillary's campaign, which she didn't.

Any such hypothetical (and non-existent) information is something that Putin himself could have called a press conference with MSNBC, CNN, Fox, etc... and delivered publically and openly, and there isn't a damned thing that you, or anybody else, could have legally done about it.

Aid and comfort my ass.

>>133283948
Proof?

>>133292851
You read the thread. I'm not going over it again every time some new faggot that just got their tendies from mom needs help understanding

>>133292851
Because lefties are irrational and like to change definitions to suit their view of shit that they don't like. It boils down to delusion. Like trying to say that the Russians trying to give Americans information on a political candidate is that political candidate providing aid and comfort to the Russians. It's complete and total BS.

>>133291956
Youre still not getting it. Solicitation on its own isn't a crime. You could solicit (ask) for a tissue or a handjob, that doesn't mean youre guilty under the statute. Solicitation here requires the "request of A CONTRIBUTION, DONATION, TRANFER OF FUNDS, OR OTHERWISE PROVIDE ANYTHING OF VALUE". Words alone are not a contribution or anything of value. As legal experts have stated:

But as a legal matter, "that's stretching it," said Craig Donsanto, who spent more than 40 years working on election-law cases at the Justice Department before he retired. "Where is the contribution?"
Another national security law expert agreed but asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
Providing secrets to a foreign government is espionage, and representing one for money without registering might violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act, he said. But accepting information from a foreign government that might be helpful to your campaign is not illegal, he added.

>>133287189
THe problem is that they only spend their time on the internet. If they went out in real life they'd realize the people they identify with don't like them irl they all actually hate each other. The internet allows them to commune anonymously allowing people to become the type of person they really aren't. Aka a black man pretending he's white on pol or a fag pretending he's a rabid Christian. Because in real life they'd be attacked by what they consider their own identity. So they are forced to seclude themselves and this leads to compounding mental illnesses. Think about who your average trump supporter is. Fat, autistic, dumb, poor. Now think about who they want to identify as as trump supporters. Fit, smart, hard working, gun toting, all American white. (Aka blue collar rednecks or businessmen.) Now in real life when the two meet the autists are ridiculed mercilessly for being what they are. Fat, autistic, dumb. That is why they hide online, they know the people they see themselves as see them as retards, pieces of trash. And it's the truth, what makes it more painful is that it comes from the people they want to be like.

>>133292452
>>133292768
wait a second, did you try to say that "pointing out the flaws in my argument" is "acting like a leftist"?

>>133286889
>Treason

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Holy fuck! Just because you lost doesn't give you or Tim Khaine the right to cry 'Treason'

>>133292961
Are you trying to refute treason, campaign finance violation, omission to obtain security clearance, or just the fact that trump could shit down your throats and you would say it's great?

-=- Multi-Daily Reminder -=-
The meeting between Trump Jr. and this Russian LAWYER was (((Rob Goldstone))). This is yet another Jew trick that all your idiots are fall for once again.

"Rob Goldstone, the man who set up the explosive meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a politically connected Russian lawyer, is a British Jewish music publicist who has worked with the Trumps on the Miss Universe pageant."

http://forward.com/fast-forward/376581/who-is-rob-goldstone-donald-trump-jrs-russian-connection/

>>133293060
Name one way in which a private citizen meeting with a random Russian would become treason? You think Trump won't just pardon Don Jr?

The campaign financing law they are claiming Don Jr somehow broke would not be treason by the way.

By the way, in America Treason has a VERY clear definition AND legal hurdle to cross:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

>>133293355
No, I'm saying that the Russians giving Don Jr information (which they DID NOT DO, you faggot,) would be them giving Don Jr. aid, and not Don Jr giving the Russians aid and comfort. You're making up your own definitions because you're irrational.

And the only election law that I've seen would require either monetary aid or material aid. Information does not count.

>>133293290
No I posted the explanation above. The law deals with more than just $$ corruption.

>>133292529
1 case in 1922 in the last 150 years where treason applied outside of war. More importantly it was a lower court decision, and lower courts are a bunch of retards, 9th circuit cases which are reviewed have an 80% turnover rate. The man disappeared before his case reached SCOTUS, but his co-treasoner did get to SCOTUS and was obviously acquitted

>>133284346
Thank you for this. I still see people saying that Trump hasn't done anything, and this is something I needed

>>133285548
>a Finn of all people saying this
I guess they were good target practice weren't they?

>it's okay when dirt on trump gets released or looked for even tax returns
>but not okay when it comes to a Democratic candidate dirt

>>133293665
"Ah but you see the information can be made up of electrons and electrons have mass hence material, check mate drumpfkins"
t. That retard

>>133293755
It involves the transfer of anything of value. Value of information can only be gleaned by the quality of the information. No information was given that we know of.

Not only that, it was not given to the campaign.

>>133292768

The most infuriating thing about the liberal mind is the complete lack of self-awareness. You have this urge to pretend you aren't leftists online, I assume to attempt to strengthen your complete lack of arguments, while completely acting like the stereotypical leftist.

We really need to consider removing you people, and I use the term loosely, from society.

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>>133283948
Helping =/= Collusion

>>133293971
Not only that, but there has been no legal precedent that information equates to a contribution.

>>133293893
>>133293893
>>133293893
slide thread sage and report

>>133292768
Nice fallacy fallacy

>>133293665
In terms of campaign finance he solicited aid from a foreign national and that is the "anything of value" that the spirit of the law which deals primarily with corruption is addressing.
Treason is an attempt to subvert the government and you keep taking the word "war" too literally. I don't know how many different ways to say it to you.

To answer that other guy of course trump would try to pardon him. Completely beside the point

>>133294258
I never disagreed with him or presented an opinion, there was no fallacy fallacy.

>>133294454
Where did I take the word "war" too literally, faggot? Quote me. I said that the Russians giving Don Jr information is the Russians giving Don Jr aid, and not the other way around. And they gave him nothing.

>>133294454
Still haven't explained where Adherence or "giving Aid and Comfort" by having a conversation about Russian Adoptions is Treasonous.

>it's a lefties pretend russia favoring trump is news episode

weird how the narrative changed after trump called out podesta for not allowing fbi to investigate dnc servers

>>133294837
Even Don changed his lie about the adoption pretence come on son

>>133294454
First of all you fucking retard, it says "other thing of value" not "any other thing".

"a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election".
There is no sign such as a comma or a semi colon, or anything that suggest that the "other thing of value" is dissociated from the "money" part of the law.
Why do you keep pushing this bullshit you moron?

>>133295204
Okay, so you still haven't proven your claim. Where can you find treason by the Constitution definition? I'll even ignore the fact you need two witnesses.

>>133294781
You're saying aid and comfort so you're quoting the treason law. Aid is soliciting information to subvert a US election

>>133293971
Wouldn't intent be enough to determine illegality though? Junior THOUGHT the information was valuable.

>>133283948

>>T-Trump didn't get any help from the Russians, it's all a left wing myth

They didn't get anything in the meeting used against Hillary

>>133285961

>Don Jr didn't even get information, and EVEN IF HE HAD

Yeah Trump's campaign has been so forthcoming about this stuff, they definitely deserve our trust.

>>133295457
Worst argument I've seen today. Semantics, at best.

>>133295457

"other thing of value" refers to anything that could be exchanged for money, i.e. a house, a car, oppo research

It's really funny when even the NYPost and Daily Caller have abandoned somebody and you guys are so doggedly loyal that you'll keep making these asinine arguments.

>>133283948

Don Jr got helped? Don Jr got played.

Bitch wanted to talk about adoption, she had nothing on Hillary. I mean why would she? Hillary has always been a fine upstanding individual.

>>133295977
This. I've been pretty skeptical about the Russian collusion stuff, but a scary amount of Trump's campaign people have been caught lying about meeting with Russian nationals. Are we supposed to believe they all just forgot to mention it at the hearings?

>>133293755
I give up, here's a summary:

Lawyer not an agent of the Russian government. She was a Russian district attorney. She has no authority to speak on Russia's behalf. That's like saying the Boise DA is a representative of the white house.

11 CFR 110.20 governs political contributions by foreign citizens, and prohibits

"a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value".

Statute meant to address foreigners making monetary donations or donations of economic value like personal property (such as diamond rings) or realty. 'Anything of value' covers direct economic contributions, not mere words.

Legal experts statute doesn't count towards words, from NBC article:

But as a legal matter, "that's stretching it," said Craig Donsanto, who spent more than 40 years working on election-law cases at the Justice Department before he retired.... accepting information from a foreign government that might be helpful to your campaign is not illegal, he added".

Re solicitation, Solicitation on its own isn't a crime, its dependent on contributions made. Solicitation here requires the "request of A CONTRIBUTION, DONATION, TRANFER OF FUNDS, OR OTHERWISE PROVIDE ANYTHING OF VALUE".

Words also protected by the 1st amendment. SCOTUS stated political speech deserves "THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF PROTECTION"

Speech from a foreign national regarding a campaign not unlawful. Just like it is not unlawful to seek and obtain opposition research, like when Dems hired british ex spy to give pissgate dossier. No one raised any issues of illegality because its NOT a crime

Statute covers donations to campaigns. Don Jr was not part of the campaign. Being related to a candidate does not make you part of their campaign

Also, this is not treason. Treason is:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid/comfort

We are not at war with Russia and they are not an enemy. They are diplomatic allies in in every sense

>>133296190

Why would you trust Trump Jr in this scenario? He's the one who's changed his story three times in as many days.

If your best defense is "Trump Jr says they never even got any info!" you are fucked.

It's not relevant, anyway, under campaign finance law whether they actually got anything or not. Campaign finance law, by the way, refers to foreign NATIONALS, not foreign government, so even if you want to take the Putin blue pill and believe this lawyer was not connected, this was definitely illegal activity.

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>>133296098
>Implying that arguing whether information is a "other thing of value" or not is not semantics too.

There is a difference between "The Jews control" and "those in control are Jews"

>>133295457
So, I'm just guessing you are either getting your talking points from the news today or strictly from /pol/.
The campaign finance law is not strictly aimed at $$. It is much more aimed at overall corruption. This is not the first time in politics that this question has come up and because of new fucking retards like you it clearly won't be the last. The law does include things like information as an "item of value." The law is trying to address corporate influence and also foreign influence in US elections. The news had the same fucking discussion the last time this type of thing blew up when they were trying to nail bill Clinton. They couldn't do it because they couldn't prove the money part so they (republicans) made it clear that campaign finance needed to include other items of value and not just $$. They also make it clear that even an unsuccessful attempt is considered a violation. Jesus it's like I have to say it 5 different ways with you people.

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>>133286550
>free of any trace of intellect

>>133296712
>>133295457

https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/thing-of-value/

>A “thing of value” includes intangible objectives, and extends to the mailing of a threatening letter with the intent to extort testimony linking the defendant to pending charges against him. Sexual favors have been held to be “anything of value” in the sense intended by a particular state's extortion statute.

I'm pretty sure secret foreign oppo research would fall under that definition.

>>133290420
>Here's an NBC article
should be the beginning of your suicide note

>>133295561
How can you think 'giving aid' element of treason is satisfied by 'soliciting (requesting) information???? You give by asking for something?? Not only is this retarded and makes no sense, YOURE COMBINING ELEMENTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT LAWS TO REACH A LEGAL CONCLUSION!!

Read the emails. Don didn't solicit anything, we was presented with a request for a meeting where the lawyer wanted to discuss Hillary's corruption. Don didn't solicit shit. And it doesn't after because information is not 'anything of value'!

>>133295561
No, information would be covered under the 1st Amendment's freedom of speech clause. And the aid would have been going from Russia to Don Jr. You are twisting the definition of aid and comfort into something that wouldn't just get you kicked out of court, you would get a good asschewing from the judge, and you'd deserve it to boot, for wasting judicial resources.

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>>133283948
Personally...
I
Am
KEK
At
(((Yous)))
Falling into trap set by frogs

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>>133297184
???
>Intangible objectives
>objectives
Objective is a thing aimed at or sought; a goal.
as opposed to an Object which is a material thing that can be seen and touched.
That is clearly meant to be cover extortions where getting someone to do something is a "thing of value". I mean that same page has language on extortion and blackmail not anything to do with campaign law.
In summary, no you are wrong. That definition applies to actions and not to information which isn't an action last time I checked.

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>>133284469
>amphibian assassins

>>133298304
I
>Object

Jesus arguing with 15 different retards on /pol/ is fucking annoying.
Campaign finance covers corruption stemming from abuse of the system and does not just mean $$. This is something only new people would argue or paid shills on the news.
Omitting info to obtain a security clearance should not be overlooked but /pol/ will.
Treason does not require a war to be declared. Accepting assistance from a foreign national to subvert the government fits the bill.

>>133283948
call me when something happens...yawn

>>133300090
Sure, give me your number senpai

>>133283948
>"Yeah but Trump Jr talked to a Russian about THINGS GUIZ THATS TREEEEEESON"
>Doesn't mention Clinton-Ukraine
>Doesn't mention DNC-Fusion GPS
>Doesn't mention foreign donations and pay to play schemes via Clinton Foundation
>Doesn't mention Podesta failing to disclose funds gained from leaving board with Russian Bank CEOs
>Doesn't mention Podestas fat brother lobbying for Russian banks to lift embargos
>Doesn't mention Clinton-Uranium Russian Deal
Literally nothing Don Jr did was illegal. Go take a walk you fat faggot

>>133283948
Did you read the emails and statement? The meeting was a setup to talk about adoption, there was no help.

>>133289374
The press did report on it & the people who violated the campaign finance law were sentenced to jail.

>>133283948

>T-Trump got help from the Russians b-but it wasn't illegal!

What help did he get, exactly?

I know you aren't paid to answer this, but answer that one question and I won't defend it anymore.

>>133283948

You seem to think trump jr wasn't given instruction to record every single thing by his father years ago.

>>133299844

>>133301962

FUCK FOX NEWS EXCUSING THESE TREASON TRAITORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These fucks are not patriots. They will do anything they can to prop up an administration that is on the side of big business. Even if it means trying to justify Russia's attempt to make america worse!!! Fucking hell I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

We are at war with Russia! They are trying their hardest to undermine our democracy by taking advantage of money hungry idiots. Whether it's shillary or trump, they'll sell country for some shekels and you guys are fucking justifying this bs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>133292529
Where does the treason law say "act of war"?

>>133283948
what help faggot

>>133283948
There's no collusion just delusion.

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>>133288845
>>133286051
>we're not literal traitors against our home country even though we are plainly literal traitors against our home country!


Ok


traitor.

>>133286563
Donald Trump Jr's email proves he was seeking information from a foreign enemy. That is treason you fucknut. I fucking hate hillary. But now I'm starting to hate Trump just as much. Fuck politicians who aren't real patriots

>>133302825
Donald Trump Jr email, that he released, proves collusion. Proves he was meeting with the intent of receiving "dirt" which would have directly contributed to the Trump campaign. This is completely illegal because he set up a meeting to receive this information and the lawyer wanted the Trump admin to pull the Russian blacklist in order to receive the shIllary info. This is fucking disgusting. These are all facts! The Donald Trump admitted his self. Fuck you are all ignoring the facts because you've been cucked by trump

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>>133292768
>>acted like a fucking leftist
>There's no logic to that statement. >You're not only lumping leftists into a behavioral category but you're assuming
>anyone with that behavior is a leftist.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you must be a mealy mouthed quibbling semantic Jew.