Fascism + Monarch = ultimate redpill? Imagine a Kingdom of Deus

Sounds like militaristic LARPer paradise.

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like the cardassians?

Posting in an underageb& thread

>>133258067
One greatest letdowns with Mussolini is that he eventually compromised his doctrine with the Catholic Church in order to secure power in Italy. I mean, he had to do it realistically but catholicism is not compatible with actual fascism. Meritocratic republicanism is also the preferable goal for fascists.

>>133258067
Italy literall was Fascist and had a monarch. The monarch arguably made things a lot worse and helped in Mussolini's downfall.

>>133258067
Elective monarchy = best

>>133258067

>monarchy

Women aren't capable of being redpilled, thwy just agree with whatever male they're interested in says. Example: London is a foreigner majority populated city, happening under the leadership of QE. Tisk tisk.

>>133258204
There is nothing wrong with military power as long it's not run by international jews like in USA, Germany, UK, etc.
>>133258601
You are getting it wrong. Mussolini helped the Catholic Church in 1922. He only became very powerful in 1938 and by that time he didn't do anything good or against the Catholic Church.

>>133258716
This, monarchs and nobles are just parasites and degenerates.

>>133258877
Are you even italian? Study early fascism and what Mussolini had to say about the Church and catholicism. Mussolini only allied with them because Italy was( and still is) a fragile and fragmented nation and going against the Church was a big no-no.

>>133258067
The problem is that monarchs are basically huge pussies in the modern era

We aren't talking about medieval ones

>>133259148
Well to my knowledge Mussolini didn't do anything against the Church in practice even if if wanted to because like 95%+ of Italians were Catholic or Christian and he realized that he couldn't do much about or against it, even if he personally was anti-theistic. Similar to Hitler in Germany, really.

>>133259241
As a monarchist it Hirtshals to admiral you are right. The monarchs of Europe need a shakeup to become string like their ancestors.

>>133259583
It hurts*

yeah that went so well in Italy...
but then again our monarchy was a hardly rooted meme monarchy anyway

>>133259380
That's what I meant, he never did anything against the Church but only out of compromise, catholicism is not coherent with fascist ideology

>>133259583
Nah fuck them, at least our monarchs are pathetic excuses for leaders, look the Savoia.

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>>133258067
>Deus Vult

>>133258067
Doomed to fail due to in-fighting.

>>133259583
>Hirthals

Nyder du ferien, pleb?

Modern Monarchs aren't Monarchs
They are low live marxists. People don't realize but they don't have any actual power and if they did they would do the same thing liberals and marxists are doing already

Rousseau and Montesquieu basically invented the concept of modern democracy with politicians replacing the King because they were anti-Catholic degenerates

Democracy + Monarchy CANNOT co-exist.
Also parties are totally irrelevant to the common people and they shouldn't exist

The only way to have a direct democracy (people vote for everything directly) is by having a King and a Fascist leader. In every single representative system (republicanism) the people don't have any power

>>133258067
The unchecked power and authority of sovereign entities, such as kings, have and always will be a dire threat to the freedom of mankind. What the fuck is so hard to understand about the supremacy of the statement "all men are created equal"? It not the notion that the black man is any lesser than the white. Rather, it is that no king should face the laws any differently than a man on the street. If you've been paying any degree of attention, you would realize that honesty and culpability have been utterly removed from most Western nations and the enforcers have all but been given admission to send people to jail for so much as being racist on twitter. You do not need merely alternative forms of the current political mechanisms merely directed at others, this isn't fixing your problem, the same people will inhabit the halls of government outside of the so-called "right wing leadership", more appropriately termed ladder climbing control freaks. You're essentially asking for less freedom on a gamble that has no winning roll, just what we need, the Church back in power, an unhinged sovereign and empowered institutions of suppression, enjoy that.

>>133258067
Mussolini had the King support.
King wanted to use him to gain more power over the congress and the senate.

> imagine

You don't need to imagine,just read the history of The Ventennio.
King check,Fascism check, Deus Vult check.
in 20 years did less then a quarter of what Hitler did for Germany in 10 years.
And no Germany was not better off then Italy after WWI.

>>133258732
No.
the king has to grab the power with force.
and his throne has to go to his first born.
if you don't like it you can always grab the power by force.
electorate is a cucked concept.

>>133260119
Why the fuck do you support the Pope and his court of corrupt african-feeding pedophiles, LARPer? Just because the Church happened to fight against the islamic hordes a few times and even then the real job was mostly done by other states like Serenessima and the French Kingdom?

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>>133260443
>freedom
fuck off shartlet

>>133260631
>his court of corrupt african-feeding pedophiles,
>le Catholic pedos evil as reported by CNN
There are pedos there but they aren't Catholic either, they are liberals and protestants.

Before WW2 many Popes warned the italian parties to stop playing with socialism but they didn't listen and now we are living in this hell

>>133260443
but....all men are NOT created equal.

>>133259710
Still almost 50/50

>>133260081
Nyter ferien, men er en Norsk Fjeldabe ikke dansk.

Remember this: only a King and a strong fascist leader can guarantee the right of people to vote directly for the laws they want to be approved
Every single law will be enforced regardless of public's approval in a representative system (republicanism)

2nd body is Mussolini body. Even after hours of being dead the anarchists and communists continued to mutilate his body in the public square. Do you know why this happened? It happened because Italy had too many parties and politicians even when Mussolini was alive. They worked inside the Italian gates conspiring against their own people for a few gold coins promised by international bankers.

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>>133260791
DA MAINSTREAM METEOR, nice answer. And yes, the Church of the time warned against socialism but also didn't really propose anything to fix the turmoil except from telling capitalist elites "be a little nicer no bully plz"

>>133260791
> Before WW2 many Popes warned the italian parties to stop playing with socialism
Is that why the Church supported what was actually socialism in the form of Corporatism/Distributism?

>>133261105
>The Catholic Church fixing something
if they had power... oh wait I forgot your libertarian idealists removed their power centuries ago.

>>133261191
The papal states were absolute backward shitholes, the population didn't fight back when they were taken. That's why the regions which were former papal states have a prolific production of blasphemous folk songs and literature and are only second to venetians when it comes to sacrilegious swear words

>>133261143
The redpill is that Hitler was attacking the Church in Germany and when Mussolini became really best friends with Hitler in 1933 Mussolini didn't do anything to help the Church outside of Italy neither inside.
Also Mussolini didn't close any socialist party and continued to help them in the shadows.
Result: he was butchered in a public square by communists and anarchists.

>>133261487
>states have a prolific production of blasphemous folk songs
Veneza = run by Freemasons and jews for centuries. Many british authors wrote about it, even Shakespeare.

>>133260798
It's the concept of the rule of law embodied. No man is exempt from punishment merely because of blood, name, status or station in life. History has taught us that the concept of unelected entities dictating national policy makes for a contentious relationship between the people and their leaders. I prefer that relationship remain one of the people to their leaders, not one of people adhering to the will of their "rulers". I bow to no man who calls himself king, it is not my fault people feel so compelled to kiss the feet of anyone who proclaim themselves royal, not am I obligated to entertain such outdated notions of rulership.

>>133261840
Redpill:
Fascism isn't Right-Wing or Traditionalist and in fact Mussolini's perception of it was that it was very progressive and forward thinking.
Fascism is implicitly anti-monarchy and anti-tradition for the most part and revolves around a few traditions or national ideas that the leader/followers deem good or useful but those same people are more than willing to discard, ignore, or destroy the other elements of the nation or national culture to advance the specific and narrow view they have of the nation or culture.
Fascists don't care about the nation that organically developed but about specific aspects of it.
Wanting a Fascist dictatorship or regime along a monarch is a disastrous idea and will lead to tons of in-fighting between the monarch and dictator.
Mussolini was a revolutionary anti-clerical Leftist syndicalist/socialist and never thought of himself as anything different, he just viewed Fascism as a particularly authoritarian expression of it suited to Italy's national character, somewhat similar to Hitler.

>>133262374
You don't understand. The fate of every single politician and leader is death unless they remove socialism by force
Sooner or later they will have to kill themselves in a basement like Hitler or they will be publicly executed like French Monarchs in the French Revolution, Czar in Russia (1917) and Mussolini in 1945.
I don't like or worship Mussolini, I'm saying we need a right-wing fascist movement. Mussolini was center-left and his background is rooted in marxism which I agree with you that he was a syndicalist scum

>>133262596
You're the one advocating for Fascism alongside monarchy. I'm telling you, Fascism, if it isn't socialist, is very, VERY intertwined with it at the least, it grew out of socialist/syndicalist philosophy and is pretty economically collectivist.
Driving out socialists/socialism is driving out Fascism too.
Just be a monarchist based on what you're advocating for, Fascism is something different entirely and is incompatible with it in any actual sense.

>>133262836
>you're the one advocating for Fascism
but not Fascism rooted in socialism/marxism which Mussolini promoted.
For instance, George Rockwell had a very interesting concept of Fascist economy with free market(free enterprise) abolishing syndicalism and socialist tendencies

>>133258067
>christlarper
>deus vult larper
>monarchist
>fascist
Man these 3 months must have been a hell of a ride

>>133263122
Italy's economy under Mussolini was primarily capitalist, just under supervision from the state.
Rockwell's government, if he ever implemented it, would impose similar government restrictions on markets to make sure they didn't do anything against what he viewed as being in the national interest.

>>133259148
He strong-armed the church into signing a treaty, and then immediately acted like a complete shit to them anyway, while privately planning how to get rid of them.

>>133263306
>just under supervision from the state.
Mussolini was very interventionist.
Imposing restrictions on markets is essential but the important thing is: who is going to do it
In a ''free market'' economy the jews do it all the time, either using the judicial system (restrictions) or by illegal means
A Monarchy without strong civil ruler is nothing but Sweden or Netherlands which is to say the Monarchy in those countries only exist on paper

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>>133258067
So basically Codreanu's Romania?

>>133263827
in other words: french libertarians created the modern democratic system so they could stay in power forever
Result: we don't have a single Monarchy today in any western country
All countries bow to the United Nations and to human rights organizations supported by globalists like Soros
The solution is to limit this problem by force, no amount of republican elections that will fix this issue

>>133259148
This.

But keep in mind though that he didn't necessary disdain Christianity, it was just a power play with/against the Catholic Church.