Does anyone "get" transhumanism? A friend of mine introduced

>>133243772
I get it. I'll explain it after I bump this thread because it's been too long since we had a transhumanism thread.

>>133243772
Ask a buddhist

>>133244668

>>133243772

Bump, thanks for bringing this up

Jew meme

Imagine if we managed to pull it all off just in time to make boomers immortal.

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>>133243772
>falling for the cyborg jew
Oy vey! Forget hour humanity, goyim! Worship the new gods of metal and flesh!

https://rejuvenaction.wordpress.com/answers-to-objections/all-answers-in-short/

>>133243772
>>133244668
To answer your questions, the aim to live forever comes from many different sources, but two stand out the most. One is the thinking that death is an unnecessary encumbrance, particularly in a world of high scientific advancement. Partly this stems from the fear of death that many others have, but it also stems from a natural disgust at the very concept. The other main reason is the challenge involved; you conquer death as a race, you've overcome a massive hurdle for humanity. And some people just like overcoming hurdles.
>The thought of being able to turn yourself into a cyborg seems too much like school boy fantasy
We're making significant progress towards such a goal; currently there are prosthetics in development today that are as good if not better than normal human limbs. In addition, what you suggest is only a small part of transhumanism; nanotechnology and genetic engineering are also parts.
>When one doesn't have the expectation of natural death, what happens to their values?
Only one way to find out.

>>133245209
Yeah, then they'd actually have to keep their jobs and might actually have to improve themselves.

>>133243772
Technology to extend life to see the heat-death of the universe. What implications does this carry for the average Joe and Jane? Do we really want to preserve the average Joe and Jane? Do they have the initiative to carry sentience forward? What does universal sentience ultimately resemble, and why would humans need to have anything to do with it?

We constantly live longer, it was not too long ago since where most men and wimen could not dream of living longer than thirty years.

As we live longer and we look younger for longer periods of time, prehaps this encourages people to live longer?

Also some belive Death to be the ultimate desiease to eradicate, cgp grey for one

>>133245703
Nah they'd retire and you'd pay their pensions forever.

>>133245925
>We constantly live longer, it was not too long ago since where most men and wimen could not dream of living longer than thirty years.

This was never the case.

>>133246238

Meaning?

>>133243772
>When one doesn't have the expectation of natural death, what happens to their values?

You stop saying fuck it I'm not going to be alive when someone has to actually fix this problem.

You start caring about the next generation instead of blaming them for the world's problems because you can't say fuck it I'm not going to be alive when someone has to actually fix this problem.

You stop caring about cultish religions, because fuck it I'm not going to be dead to go to heaven.

You stop caring about businesses, because they'll die someday, and start caring about sustainability because you're going to have to live in a world without the species that we're driving extinct.

You play the lottery every time with the same numbers because you have a 63% chance of winning now that you can live long enough to play it millions of times.

It's the people who want to die that baffle me. Something is always more than nothing and we are smart enough to make somethings into something better.

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>>133243772
Cancer works by never dying and sucking energy out of the host.
Transhumanist tech could help kill off the host faster for the desired systemic reset.

>>133246405
Meaning the life expectancies from older times are skewed by very high child mortality and if you managed to reach adulthood you could reasonably expect to reach your sixties and seventies.

>>133247876

That is true

>>133245163
Transhumanism is inevitable. You are essentially handing the world to the Jews if you are a white man and not a transhumanist.

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this jpeg will explain everything

what dont you get?

its a trick to get rich atheists to donate into a "religion" of pills and gadgets

cyborgs havent gotten any further in 20 years than RFID implants and neon tattoos

>>133245262
See >>133248455

>>133243772
>When one doesn't have the expectation of natural death, what happens to their values?
In what way do you derive your values from natural death?

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>>133248540
See >>133245262

>>133243772
let me try to put a different spin on it:

hitler tried to reach the ubermensch trough.. biological heroism, eugenics, national selective breeding policies, etc
transhumanists are attempting to reach the ubermensch trough.. technological heroism i guess
i am using heroism and ubermensch in the nietzchian sense, meaning anti-commie aristocratic values, master morality instead of all equal slave morality etc

>u cant reach that! unrealistic!
yeah well electricity used to be just a sparkly machine back in some weirdo's basement, human flight, space flight, moon landing, hell even sailing over the ocean were all supremely unrealistic at one point

did i manage to put a different spin on it?

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>>133245209
NO

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>>133245617
>currently there are prosthetics in development today that are as good if not better than normal human limbs

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>>133248733
So, according to you, only the Jews should adopt this technology? Jews having a monopoly on transhumanism is precisely the reason to BECOME a transhumanist. So that we as whites can compete with the Jews. What you are saying is like if a Native American tribe refused to adopt firearms and horses because they are a "white invention".

>>133248673
You identify with the cultural matix that nutured you and lives on, not your pathetic meatsuit.

Trans humanism. Immortal.
So why didn't the ayys lmao transgress to be half machines.
Now..supposedly..They fly across the galaxy to get grade A human sperm and fresh human eggs to survive. Yeah right.
I've never believe in the ayys, and I don't know why I thought of all that when I seen the t-human bread.

>>133245209
Rev up the death camps again.

>>133249735
Your cultural matrix can still exist with transhumanism. Also one day a meteor or something will drive humanity extinct and your precious cultural matrix along with it, unless we start colonizing space.

>>133249649
I can sort if understand where that got is coming from, the major tech companies are not trustworthy and I would not trust any cybernetic implants they would sell. But there is nothing Inherently Jewish about the idea of enhancing oneself with technology, it's an ancient idea

>>133245209
>boomers
The boomers are already starting to die off. So far only a few thousand people worldwide have signed up for cryonics. It's only going to be our generation that has a shot at becoming immortal.

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>>133249649
You do realize the Talmud prohibits modifying the human body, right? It's the same principle as piercings and tattoos, they see the body as sacred.
But sure, buy your BrainTron™ which gives you 0.21% more brain power with the added bonus of being reminded 24/7 about all the 6 million innocents who died.

>>133250290
B-but the earth is flat! That's what Jesus said

Lets make an agreement, those that decide to live forever cannot have offspring.

Opposite is true for the opposition

Gay. I will start a Humanist cult that hunts down Transhumans and anyone else using life extension technology. Their brains will be extracted and kept alive in jars using their beloved technology, give em time to think about their sins.

>>133250114
That's only supposedly one race that does that

>>133250665
Poortugal might get shitty tech like that, but non moorish nations have robotic limbs already

>>133243772

I get the futurist appeal, but without rabid nationalism, there is no reason to put those techs on the hand of the bankers. They will become gods, augmented superhumans, while the rest of us just fight for shitty UBI. They will own automated industries, no more need to fight the working force, they will have won the battle for the community infrastructure, and all will be lost.

Nationalism, nativism and transhumanism MUST stick together, there is no other way and no bigger threat.

>>133250878
You honestly sound like a faggot and you should probably kill yourself.

>>133249590
Here's one article. I'll try to find more.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-prosthetics-are-better-than-human-legs-2015-12

>>133250878
>a group of "white" American anarcho primitivists in loincloths are waddling through the woods
>armed with sticks and their own feces >they shout ooga booga
>they encounter a high tech base and immediately begin throwing their feces at the gate
>unfortunately their loincloths and shamans poo blessing did not protect them from the hollow point rounds of the automated turrets

Good luck with that

>>133251554
Archived that
https://archive.is/2wlmC

>>133250878
>Gay.
What, in your opinion, makes it gay? If you can't explain this then your argument is null and void on account of insufficient reasoning or evidence.

>>133251606
Thanks.

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>>133249590
>>133251554
Here's another. I'd archive it, but I honestly don't know how.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/25/five-amputees-show-off-the-amazing-advances-in-artificial-limbs/

>>133249590
>in development

>>133252568

He is allways around lurking...

The hero we need, but we dont deserve

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>>133243772
The (((media))) tries to convince everyone that living forever is everything. I have the same mindset as you. Even if they find a "way" your organic body would eventually get cancer but you'd probably go insane from all the mental issues before then

>>133250665
>You do realize the Talmud prohibits modifying the human body, right? It's the same principle as piercings and tattoos, they see the body as sacred.
Then why do they chop their foreskins off?

>But sure, buy your BrainTron™ which gives you 0.21% more brain power with the added bonus of being reminded 24/7 about all the 6 million innocents who died.
Solution: Form your own non-Jewish company and create your own BrainTron™ that gives you 100% more brain power with the added bonus of being reminded 24/7 about how Hitler did nothing wrong.

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>>133252938
>The (((media))) tries to convince everyone that living forever is everything
The media literally never promotes or even mentions transhumanism. The Cryonics Institute even stopped doing neuropreservations to prevent yellow journalists from shutting them down.

>>133252272
Meanwhile back in reality, transhumanism remains total bullshit believed in by morons who don't understand anything about actual technology.

>>133253486
Are you retarded? Even fucking cartoons talk about living forever.

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>>133253550
>transhumanism remains total bullshit believed in by morons who don't understand anything about actual technology
Let's hear this argument.

>>133245262
Why is Lem there?
Unironically remove this

>>133253787
>Even fucking cartoons talk about living forever
Cartoons, which are presented as fucking fantasy. Hardly anyone even knows what transhumanism even is. If you think transhumanism is promoted by the media and immortality is presented as great, explain why so few people have signed up for cryonics.

Come on guys, it's not hard to see it:
We won't benefit the real promise of future tech on the exponential curve of the singularity, if we fail to nationalize all the potential for the masses and the preservation of nativist culture. We need automated industries for the benefit of the people. We need CRISPR to advance the racial traits and genetic traits that we desire to be spread over the entire geographical border, it's molecular level eugenics on a syringe. Smarter population, fitter population and more productive population.

Can't you sum 2 + 2 and get 4? Ultra nationalist state + Disruptive miracle technology = Real benefits of transhumanism for the culture, for the people and for the nation.

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>>133257290
This. To achieve transhumanism, we need to combat the social entropy that in the long run will make it more and more difficult to advance technologically. You will never get a transhumanist culture out of a country of niggers and spics.

>>133257290
if the CRISPR makes the ubermensch white, this could really be the future I could get behind. It would all make sense

I care nothing about it
I would rather turn the clock back than forward

We can have healthy food, farmed on the urban centers, all automated in vertical buildings. We can have CRISPR level eugenic intervention to weed out the weakness, the low IQ, cancer and other syndromes. We can produce the basis needs and superficial pleasures for the whole masses with automated industries. We can aim to populate spatial colonies with all that surplus of human labor. We can rebuild the spiritual collective struggle, and re energize ourselves away from the hedonism and drug fueled numbness of today.

We can fucking have it all, today, more than any other date in the whole history. Not even in the 30's we had so much potential to liberate ourselves from labor, and towards building the ultimate utopy.

But without the proper social order, we will only be exploited and replaced by machines. It's morally mandatory we expand this thought, as it's what can liberate us from the materialistic struggle for the first time in the whole human existence.

>>133243772
>The thought of being able to turn yourself into a cyborg seems too much like school boy fantasy

That's because it is.

Transhumanism is predicated entirely on things that don't exist.

Modifying your body into a different body, living forever, transplanting your consciousness into other forms, etc, are fictions, and there are no promising avenues towards them in the real world.

>>133258575
>Modifying your body into a different body
In addition to genetic engineering, we also have the wonder of plastic surgery.
>living forever
While nothing like that exists yet, advancements in surgery and development of artificial organs are promising avenues.

>Transplanting your consciousness into other forms.
I have to give you credit where it's due, this is the most far fetched part of transhumanism.
However you're still wrong with the other two points.

>>133258575
>Transhumanism is predicated entirely on things that don't exist.
Yet

>Modifying your body into a different body, living forever, transplanting your consciousness into other forms, etc, are fictions, and there are no promising avenues towards them in the real world.
Google the Moravec transfer.

>>133258575

Transhumanism just make predictions that scientific knowledge is growing back on the exponential curve of computer acceleration, and one day we will reach the point of miracle super complex technology that will literally be magical.

Political thought and ideology will drive the uses of it. If we have a strong right-wing nativist government like NSDAP ruling, they won't allow degeneracy, but will push hard on genetic intervention for the benefit of the whole nation.

What would you think a super ultra liberal gov would do with that tech? Transracialism would probably become mandatory, and white straight people banned forever. All would be a slave for the financiers.

A fucking disgusting concept, the power of gods, on the hand of the devils.

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>>133258532
You would still probably need to find a way to re-engineer the brain so that we no longer need to satisfy the Power Process to feel happiness.

>>133258532
Want to transcend materialism by creating a authoritarian social order that will provide all mankind with abundance of material goods.
Monkey gonna Monkey

>>133243772
As long as "life extending technology" is not used for demented old people that cant even wipe their own asses.

>>133259809

If basic necessities get satisfied, we would get people free to do intellectual labor, this is liberation. Not much different from the philosopher culture of the Greeks, nor the aristocracy intellectual labor trough the ages on European lands.

Enforce tradition, you call that authoritarian today, but in all other ages people called that normal, and they sided with the government effort to push nativist backed cultural rules.

Not talking about walmarting the world, I'm talking about people having access to healthy ultra-cheap food, and basic luxuries products, so they can free themselves to more important labor. Instead of serving McDonalds, more brains would unite in the collective struggle that needed more attention and energy. It's not a bad concept.

>>133260492
>we would get people free to do intellectual labor
Artificial superintelligence will do all of the intellectual labor.

>>133260668

The uses of miracle tech will be guided by whatever political movement is in power. Do you think a NS or fascist movement would let a AI rule unchecked? Can you automate ideology? Can you automate political willpower?

It all depends of what government is there to exploit the tech. What would our globalist overlords do with those super technologies, if they were maturated today?

More trans shit, more anti-nativist shit, more globalist shit, more cancerous food.

Thats why the struggle for the present is important, because the near future crossroads will elevate humanity technological power to technical magical demigods.

>>133253147
>your own non-Jewish company

That's a funny one
Saged for Seth Rich

>>133253804
not him but look at kurzweil's predictions.

>>133243772

This is a common fallacy of thinking caused by taking the rate of technological innovation and economic prosperity that characterized western civilization at its height and projecting it onward despite the decline of the west. The future will be ruled by imbecile hordes endlessly rehashing the inventions of the past not cyborgs or conscious robots. That future is on a different timeline perhaps one where America did not import a ton of socialist communist and Nazi scum from Europe to run their industrial and university systems.

>>133261008
>Can you automate ideology?
Yes

>Can you automate political willpower?
Yes

>What would our globalist overlords do with those super technologies, if they were maturated today?
>More trans shit, more anti-nativist shit, more globalist shit, more cancerous food.
If they wanted to destroy us, they wouldn't do it in these slow, inefficient ways if they had the technology to kill us off faster.

>>133261234
>le one guy made some incorrect predictions so every prediction must be wrong and we will stop advancing for the rest of eternity

>>133245262
You people are so fucking thick. A majority of Jewish people come from well off backgrounds and thus have the opportunity to explore and challenge new ideas, but immediately every faggot has to go "ITS DA JEWISH CONSPIRACY xD XD" you fucking imebciles

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>>133252272

>>133243772
Transhumanism is Communism presented in the form of a EULA. You should war-rape your friend for trying to cuck you with that shit.

>>133261674

They want to destroy white people reproductive structure. They aim at sexuality because it how it spreads: by sex.

How can you automate ideology and political willpower? In one point some human, someone will have to chose putting all in the hands of AI. If the ideological and political background forbids it, it won't happen.

>>133243772
The biological explanation is that our self-preservation instinct is abnormally strong.

>>133262317
Your religion was invented by a literal kike.

>>133262584
>They want to destroy white people reproductive structure. They aim at sexuality because it how it spreads: by sex.
Artificial wombs are the solution

>How can you automate ideology and political willpower?
Your brain is no different than an AI, except that it is made of meat and programmed by natural selection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>>133262506
Transhumanism is a technologically advanced form of eugenics.

I don't get it either. Eventually you will turn into a completely different person. The 10 year old me is dead. When I'm 80 the 22 year old me will be dead. I would rather "live on" through my children and get to see what happens after death.

>>133266915
Do you not believe you have a continuous consciousness?

>>133243772
>Does anyone "get" transhumanism?
Sinners don't want to get to hell, thats why they look for life extension

>>133265581
>Your brain is no different than an AI
That's bullshit. First of all, there is no AI. Second, brain is not a computer. Third - AI won't have any consciousness.

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>sticking robot parts into our brains will let us "live" forever
This sounds ridiculous and I like it.
I, personally, am going to keep maintaining my strength levels, cardiovascular endurance, mental and spiritual health in order to have lengthy, high quality life.

>>133243772
Transhumanism will inevitably happen.
If we make peace with that fact, maybe the kikes won't upgrade themselves before we do, thus becoming unbeatable.
Humanity is a meme anyway, it makes us weak.

>>133267870
>This sounds ridiculous and I like it.
Explain, if you wouldn't mind.

>>133268546
This

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>>133268627
Imagine cyborgs walking around.
They'd be like phoneposters but a thousand times worse somehow.

>>133268546
The problem is that the moral-fagging will be insane. You could only get augments if it was absolutely necessary and they'll probably force the technology never to be better than human, all for moral reasons. We do not stand a chance.

>>133267125
It is continuous but changing. I was thinking about the singularity and how uploading your consciousness just makes a copy. You would still be human and would still die. Your body replacing all of it's cells is kind of the same. In that sense it's your form that is important rather than your parts. I see how trans-humanism preserves your form but if I can both preserve my form and also die I would rather do that.

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>>133269050
Read The Transhumanist Wager. It deals with a similar moralfag problem like what you are talking about here. Also the Chinese might take over with transhumanist research, in case the moralfags in America suppress it.

>>133269278
>uploading your consciousness just makes a copy
The solution to this is a Moravec Transfer.

>It is continuous but changing.
>Your body replacing all of it's cells is kind of the same.
You seem to be conflating your consciousness with your memories and personality. What I am talking about is your "point of view", for lack of a better way to describe it.

>>133269716
The Moravec Transfer is interesting as it's analogous to cell replacement. If you can replace every part of your brain and retain your consciousness then you should be able to retain it through death.

>>133269716
you see to know your shit
will immortality be possible? when?
if one chooses to become immortal is there a way out? a death?

>>133243772
Transhumanism is literally an existential threat to humanity. Think white race is declining? Just wait to when they try to remove the human race from Earth. Transhumanists should be shot and eventually that will have to be done if humanity is to be saved.

>>133271269
Although one way a Moravec Transfer could go wrong is if the artificial neurons didn't "combine" properly with your original brain, creating essentially a second mind controlling your body that would get stronger and stronger, while your original mind gets weaker and weaker. If it goes right, your bran will be essentially a Ship of Theseus, like it already currently is.

>>133272025
Anti-transhumanism is literally an existential threat to humanity. Eventually an asteroid or something will hit Earth and drive us extinct, unless we colonize space. "Humanity" as you describe it is a meme and makes us weak.

>>133271625
>will immortality be possible? when?
Depends on what you mean by "immortality". If you mean biological immortality, we will likely surpass the longevity escape velocity this century. If you mean inviolable immortality, then likely never.

>if one chooses to become immortal is there a way out? a death?
By committing suicide.

>>133272088
*brain

>>133243772
I don't understand it either famalam. I'm 25 years old and I'm looking forward to down at the comfortable age of 55.

>>133243772
>Mostly I don't understand the aim of the attempt to live forever, eventually without your original body.
Utilitarianism. It's a logical extension of wanting to maximize happiness. Living in a state of infinite bliss that lasts forever produces infinitely more happiness than living for a short time in a shitty organic body, by using felicific calculus.

>>133245262
Isaac Asimov was bluepilled as fuck.

>>133272299
So, if you're right, humanity will disappear anyway. Better later (hypothetical asteroid that by then may be possible to prevent) than sooner (transhumanism).

>>133275169
>Better later (hypothetical asteroid that by then may be possible to prevent)
Eventually the sun will burn out.

>than sooner (transhumanism)
How do you define "humanity"? Transhumans are just an evolution of humans. They would still have human ancestors.

>>133276471
We have ape ancestors, but it's impossible to live in the same society with even the most closely related apes. Intellectual, emotional and moral differences between humans and apes that make such an integration impossible are apparent to anyone with any knowledge of the latter. So I don't want transhumanism any more than chimps replacing people; either would require surrendering unique traits of Homo sapiens (so, as to answering your question: in this context I define "humanity" as a collection of traits found exclusively in our species that makes us who we are). Comparing transhumanism to evolution also seems invalid: evolution is a continuous process involving living organisms accommodating to external pressures over generations as opposed to being arbitrarily "edited" by psychopaths; transhumans would be no more of a product of evolution than pitbulls or Persian cats.

>>133278415
But why do you value "humanity" as you define it in the first place? Why are you against humanity evolving into a more advanced form?

>>133278415
>I define "humanity" as a collection of traits found exclusively in our species that makes us who we are).
And is technological advancement not one of these traits found exclusively in our species that makes us who we are?

>>133279752
I do value it because I believe humans are the only form of life to consciously strive for good, beauty and truth. I'm afraid reckless attempts to remake humans may end turning them into just another animal species unable to strive for anything higher. And as to evolution, I've already addressed it - don't you distinguish between natural evolution and conscious modification by certain members of a kind? Do you believe pitbulls are evolved dogs?

>>133280144
It is, or more precisely a capacity to engage in it is (although apparently chimps are in a stone age now, so maybe not). However it doesn't imply it's automatically good in every possible instance.