Im reading into the islamic religion its the craziest religion

their Sanskrit is just autistic scribbles

>>133201203

Yeah.

You should piss on the sandnigger book and burn it.

>>133201203
After reading into I began to sympathize with them, they don't like (((them))) won't bow to feminism, won't let the LGBT run amok trying to destroy society.

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>>133201203
only thing I agree with is throwing rocks at sluts and fags

>>133201917

same here

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yes a lot of people on /pol/ dont realise they share the same views as us muslims

its really quite ironic if you think about it,

the group of people proud of not being brainwashed by the media, are brainwashed by the media to be anti-muslim

>>133202150
except we don't actually throw rocks at people

People on this board would never take the time to actually read some of it. I read it and aint that different then the bible however the stories are a bit more boring

>>133202150
except they blow people they dont agree with up.
we call people we dont agree with fags

>>133202239
>>133202265
im sure if you could without getting in trouble and have no backlash, you would

>>133202150
Muslims also hate jews more than any other race. Muslims and whites have a common enemy, but the jewish media has turned us against each other so we will forget about (((the real problem))).

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>>133202150
>brainwashed by the media to hate muslims
if you'd ever watched US media in your life you'd feel stupid for even suggesting that

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>>133202237
This

>>133202343
not really, I have other things I enjoy doing like playing violent videos games where I shoot people I disagree with. :P

>>133202094
It depends on the faction of course, but many are even Ok with Christians and other non-Jewish non-Muslim religions living in lands controlled by them the Qu'ran even commands them to treat such people with respect only bothering them to collect a tax that can't be so high as to be burdensome, they'll also illuminate the charging of interest on loans and credit which would really hit (((them))) where it hurts.

>>133202377
>implying alex jones, fox news, rush limba, and all the other right wing news isn't American media

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>>133202377
have lived there so i have, everything about muslims in us media is negative

christian male kills some people? headline is: "man kills <x> for <x>"

muslim male kills people? headline is: "muslim male kills <number>"

>>133202464
pic related

>>133201917
>>133202094
>After reading into I began to sympathize with them
Confirmed for not nowing a single muslim IRL. The vast majority of "muslims" haven't opened that book once in their entire lives; they're all just following local traditions, which explains why """Islam""" in Morocco isn't the same is in Malaysia or Yemen.

>>133202568
fox news is owned by Saudi Arabian last time I checked

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>>133202554
I feel like we have had this short conversation before.

>>133202343
if there was no backlash the entire world would fucking go to hell. thats why there is backlash. keeps us in place

>>133202676
Rupert Murdoch is from Australia isn't he?

>>133201203

Theoretical islam is pretty based and practical islam is nothing if not uncucked.

Most muslims are real losers however.

>>133202628
Killing people is not apart of mainstream christian theology currently for a large percentage of christians

>>133202647
This is true with all religious. Every single person is my family is christian but none of them have read the bible, none of them go to church, or can even tell me a single verse.

Jews are the worst. 99% of jews dont even own a Talmud let alone have read it. Most rabbis have not even read the Talmud.

Its like everyone is just pretending

>>133202836
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal

second largest shareholder or soemthing

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>>133201203
>1 post by this ID
You are all posting in a slide thread. Are you all so gullible as to buy into the "islam is really red pilled guyz" meme? Drop a redpill and then gtfo

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>>133202676
>Saudi
>caring about the image and well-being of muslims in the world
Yeah, that's probably why they prohibit women from driving, behead people publicly and fund international terrorism.

>>133202953
As a believer, this triggers me to no end. Muslim-Christian alliance to root out hypocrites when

>>133203032
Donation after 11 September attacks

After the September 11 attacks, al-Waleed gave a cheque for $10 million to New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, despite Saudi opposition. In a written statement after his donation, he said: "At times like this, we must address some of the issues that led to such a criminal attack. I believe the government of the United States of America should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause." As a result of that statement, Giuliani returned his cheque.[53][54] Al-Waleed said to a Saudi weekly magazine about Giuliani's rejection of his cheque, "The whole issue is that I spoke about their position [on the Middle East conflict] and they didn’t like it because there are Jewish pressures and they are afraid of them."[55]

>>133202647
How can they follow Islam and not have read the Qu'ran?

>>133203221
>Jewish Pressures

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>>133203094
as a muslimah, i also think that women shouldnt drive

>muslim flag
wish /pol/ had a munafiq flag, you'd be a prime candidate

>>133202360
except muslims also hate christian, they also hate boudhist, they also hate hindus, they also hate atheists....
The mudslimes hate everybody, so of course if you hate some group of people you will have something in common with them you deep shit

>>133203229
40% of Muslims can read or write any language, are they real Muslims? To answer your question, most just listen to their religious leaders and do what they're told.

I know islam better than most here; I'm an exmuslim. AMA

>>133203422
>admitting to being a murtadeen

>>133203313
Please remove sun worshipers and ZOG government (Don't kill all the Christians also)

>>133203422
Why did you choose apostasy? And did you switch to another religion or just go atheist?

I read some of it, it made the bible seem interesting as it was so boring.
Pages after page of dont do this.

>>133203419
Well, that's a similarity they share with many Christians sadly, although not due to lack of ability to read but because of lack of genuine interest.

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>>133203383
I didn't think of it this way....
hmmm
...
O_o
WTF I hate muslims now

>>133202628
Look up Coulter's Law you LARPing roach

Fuck you short brown shit finger sand niggers

>>133203229
That's the point genius, they DON'T follow Islam because they've NEVER opened the goddamn book.

>>133203419
Atleast Majority of Muslim can read Arabic alphabet, even doesn't know arabic language or mean.

>>133203747
Barely better then an atheist in that case then, wouldn't you say?

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>>133203685
>made up law
lol?
>larping
you are really quite dumb, arent you?
>roach
syria

>>133203715
isnt it past your bed time ?

>>133203577
nothing i can do

>>133201203
Muslim here, I've memorized the last 45 chapters of the Quran. The Quran is redpilled on every single issue, the hadith are different. The problem is people reading random hadiths and getting radicalized.

>>133203591
I'm an atheist now. I left islam because mostly because I realized that Abraham's God was a meme and there's probably nobody "up there".

>>133201203
> freighting
> confederate flag

Stop trying so hard Achmed, we can see through your shilling too easily.

>>133203313
The fuck I'm even looking at ?
>LARPing on /pol/
Noone cares what you think. Don't drive if you think it's better for you, doesn't change anything about my argument. Saudis are doing it on purpouse, they feed off this climate of fear and hate. This is the sign of the most illegitimate leaders, tyrants.

>>133203383
True

>>133203858
>better
I find them worse desu. I'd rather have an informed atheist than a "muslim" sheep. Even kids can parrot their parents.
This is probably why most of my friends are fedoras: at least they've done some research and thought about it.

>>133201203
>Godcuckery
>redpilled

>>133203684
Who is this sultry perfect vixen?

>>133203554
>namefagging with my granny's first name
>falling for a bronze age desert cult after Copernicus and Darwin

>>133203808
Do they teach you Arabic ?

>>133203927
Fave chapter and why ? What are you learning now ? Did you teach yourself Arabic ?
>The problem is people reading random hadiths and getting radicalized
I wish radicalized tards were our only problem...

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>>133204138
dont say im larping

>>133204343
more fuel for the great fires on the day of judgement

>>133204000
>ex mudslime
>British
>fedora

Yup, flag confirmed.

>>133204000
How long were you IN Islam to begin with and why ?

>>133204662
It's best this way, if it was up to me I'd just make Islam illegal in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXIO7HcdX8

>>133204474
She is perfect, I hope she keeps her gene pool clean.

>>133204345
In My Country, Every Muslim Parent Enrolled their Child after school to Islamic Courses to learn write arabic & read arabic alphabet.
Read Qur'an, Memorize Some of Qur'an Surah etc.
Many Retarded Radical in here was from Secular Muslim Family Background, who never Learn Qur'an and Never Study Islam, people like this was very easy to be braiwashed by Radical.
btw, all Terrorist from Here was Graduated from Public School.
I'm feel lucky, cuz my parent enrolled me to Madrassa

>>133204789
*not every but majority parent

>>133204345
>fave chapter
"By time, Indeed, mankind is in loss,Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience."-Surah Asr

The chapter is short but redpilled af. It tells you there's degeneracy everywhere and you should redpill each other.

This thread is for CONVERTING and SUBJUGATING us. Do not fall for it. Islam is a dirty, disgusting religion that is completely incompatible with western values. Arabs are the most treacherous people in the world. This is for a reason. It is because their religion is complete garbage with very little morality.

Freedom of thought and expression is what creates sites like 4chan and the vast majority of the things that you love and enjoy. Islam discourages this. Never support Islam.

>>133202554

Jewish pedophile detected.

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>>133204486
افلا ينظرون الى الابل كيف خلقت ـ والى السماء كيف رفعتـ ـ والى الجبال كيف نصبت ًـ والى الارض كيف سطحت
>thinking the creator of the cosmos would be this retarded
>but muh quran says it's true

>>133204925
>arbitrary claims
>no evidence
fuck off leaf

>>133201203
look a flaggot pushing flaggotry
imagine that

>>133204992
>Not hating people due to arbitrary claims with no evidence
Fuck off reddit

>>133204789
So they do that outside of school, the government has nothing to do with it ?
>Many Retarded Radical in here was from Secular Muslim Family Background, who never Learn Qur'an and Never Study Islam, people like this was very easy to be braiwashed by Radical.
Why do you think there are so many Western converts and 2nd generation immigrants among ISIS ? Politicians in the West don't want mosques because muh islamism
>import muslim manpower
>don't let them get educated in mosques
>basement imams get busy
>muh terror attacks :(
Many Retarded Radical in here was from Secular Muslim Family Background, who never Learn Qur'an and Never Study Islam, people like this was very easy to be braiwashed by Radical.

>>133204911
I love it when Quran gets so synthetic, simple and clear.

>>133204958
I'd be interested to know what seems so retarded about this in your opinion.

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>>133201203

Muslims believe:

Christians should re-take Istanbul and call it Constantinople. Its a prophecy this will happen.

The sun will rise in the west. This is a major sign of end times prophecy.

Theres a third thing pol keeps mentioning that is Islamic - I can't remeber tho. Its like pol has been unknowingly influenced by Islam but brainwashed by the MSM 9/11 narrative.

>>133201203
Fuck off Muhammad you're fooling no one

>>133201203
Did you read the part where Mohammad wore his wife's clothes? How about the part where he made out with a teen age boy? How about the part where he was killed by a Jewish women because he was to stupid to realize she poisoned him even though he just had his goon kill her whole village ? How about the part where it was alluded to at the end that he was full of shit and god hated him? Nice try goat fucker.

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>>133201203
Did you read the part where Mohammad wore his wife's clothes? How about the part where he made out with a teen age boy? How about the part where he was killed by a Jewish women because he was to stupid to realize she poisoned him even though he just had his goon kill her whole village ? How about the part where it was alluded to at the end that he was full of shit and god hated him? Nice try goat fucker.

>>133205464
Where are these found anon? Evidence? I've read the Quran and haven't found these

>>133202554
Pizza pls go

>>133205553
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/hadith-prophet-muhammad-kissed-the-penis-of-small-boys/

>>133205464

>How about the part where it was alluded to at the end that he was full of shit and god hated him?

Please be true.

>>133205718
Those are found in the hadith. The hadith was written 200 years after the prophet, and they aren't mentioned in the quran anywhere. So I'm not sure if they're a credible historical source.

1 post. Hiding Flag.

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>>133205983
As if any religion's book is a true historical source?

>>133201203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM&index=2&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu8wafy5X1Ibv0bwMHRdj-Zo

Just a reminder that if you've never bothered to read/listen to the Quran from start to finish, you aren't allowed to have an opinion about Islam. Form an opinion at the end.

Here's an English interpretation to listen to.

https://youtu.be/cQq-lD-YoUQ

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>>133206293
Yeah I read the whole thing, so fuck off.

>>133201917
Fuck off paki sandposter

>>133205267
there is Religion Study Education in School, but Majority of Parents feel that Study wasn't full or not satisfied, cuz only 2 hours per week. so they enroll their child on Islamic Course who available in every district and not far from home.
Cuz every parent in here especially muslim said " even in the future my child doing sin and other retarded/degenerate things, atleast my child understand about his religion, so he will stop doing sinful and may Allah guide my Child "

So Sad, that so many degenerate was happened on Non-Muslim in here.

>>133205280
>Constantinople
If you're referring to a quranic verse, it already happened. It was about the Roman (Byzantium) and the Persian empires, Byzantium won their battle but don't exist anymore
Though talmudist Jews still think of Western civilization as the continuity of the 4th Empire (or some shit)

>>133205718
>hadith
>same value as the Quran
>both guys who are said to have narrated this hadeeth are known by hadith scholars to be weak
>g-guys it's tru !
ebin

>>133202150
Lurk moar faggot
The difference is the attitude to freedom of speech. The concept of which you monkeys can't wrap your turbans round.

>>133206103
Hadith is important but secondary to the Quran. They are sayings from the prophet from secondary sours, not the preserved recitition of the prophet (like the Quran). Hadith are comiled according to transmission, not necessarily accuracy. Different Hadith contradiction one another many times. You have to read the work of scholars to know how accurate these Hadith are. Commentary is essential to understanding Hadith. Cherry picking is fun but not fair play.

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>>133206459
You believe any of its true? Are you really that fucking dumb? I just assumed you guys used that shit to control people.

In the name of Ahura Mazda, the Creator of Life and Wisdom.

In your letter you summon us Persians to your god whom you call Allah-u-Akbar; and because of your barbarity and ignorance, without knowing who we are and Whom we worship, you demand that we seek out your god and become worshippers of Allah-u-Akbar.

How strange that you occupy the seat of the Arab Caliph but are as ignorant as any desert roaming Arab! You admonish me to become monotheistic in faith. Ignorant man (Mardak), for thousands of years we Persians have, in this land of culture and art, been monotheistic and five times a day have we offered prayers to God’s Throne of Oneness. While we laid the foundations of philanthropy and righteousness and kindness in this world and held high the ensign of Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds, you and your ancestors were desert wanderers who ate snakes and lizards and buried your innocent daughters alive. (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)

You Arabs who have no regard for God’s creatures, who mercilessly put people to the sword, who mistreat your women, who attack caravans and are highway robbers, who commit murder, who kidnap women and spouses; how dare you presume to teach us, who are above these evils, to worship God?

You tell me to cease the worship of fire and to worship God instead! To us Persians the light of Fire is reminiscent of the Light of God. The radiance and the sun-like warmth of fire exuberates our hearts, and the pleasant warmth of it brings our hearts and spirits closer together, that we may be philanthropic, kind and considerate, that gentleness and forgiveness may become our way of life, and that thereby the Light of God may keep shining in our hearts.

Our God is the Great Ahura Mazda. Strange is this that you too have now decided to give God a name, and you call God by the name of Allah-u-Akbar.

>>133204925
>that is completely incompatible with western values
Which is why it may be exactly what we need, or do you enjoy our women acting like whores riding the cock carousel, do you enjoy our children being indoctrinated into the LGBT, do you enjoy our society actively being manipulated and led by (((them))) against us, do you enjoy all this degeneracy that damn much that you can't at least be open to entertaining other options?

But we are nothing like you. We, in the name of Ahura Mazda, practice compassion and love and goodness and righteousness and forgiveness, and care for the dispossessed and the unfortunate; But you, in the name of your Allah-u-Akbar commit murder, create misery and subject others to suffering! Tell me truly who is to blame for your misdeeds? Your god who orders genocide, plunder and destruction, or you who do these things in Gods name? Or both?

You, who have spent all your days in brutality and barbarity, have now come out of your desolate deserts resolved to teach, by the blade and by conquest, the worship of God to a people who have for thousands of years been civilized and have relied on culture and knowledge and art as mighty edifices.

What have you, in the name of your Allah-u-Akbar, taught these armies of Islam besides destruction and pillage and murder that you now presume to summon others to your god?

Today, my people’s fortunes have changed. Their armies, who were subjects of Ahura Mazada, have now been defeated by the Arab armies of Allah-u-Akbar. And they are being forced, at the point of the sword, to convert to the god by the name of Allah-u-Akbar. And are forced to offer God prayers five times a day but now in Arabic; since apparently your Allah-u-Akbar only understands Arabic.

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>>133206541
Please go home and never come back.

>>133206672
>>133206603
I advise you to return to your lizard infested deserts. Do not let loose upon our cities your cruel barbarous Arabs who are like rabid animals. Refrain from the murder of my people. Refrain from pillaging my people. Refrain from kidnapping our daughters in the name of your Allah-u-Akbar. Refrain from these crimes and evils.

We Persians are a forgiving people, a kind and well-meaning people. Wherever we go, we sow the seeds of goodness, amity and righteousness. And this is why we have the capacity to overlook the crimes and the misdeeds of your Arabs.

Stay in your desert with your Allah-u-Akbar, and do not approach our cities; for horrid is your belief and brutish is your conduct.

sign,
Yazdgird III Sassanid

>>133206374
Well I respect you for not being ignorant.

>>133206103
Hadith has Level of Chain and Category.
>Sahih (Trustworthy)
>Hasan (Good)
>Da'if (weak)
>maudhu' (false/fabricated)

Even in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim there is so many hadith who was weak and false

>>133201203
>Howdy fellow non-muslims what do you think about the cool red pilled religion of islam pardners?

>>133206603
>>133206672
This.

>>133201993

This and I want 14 wives

>>133202150

I agree 98% with islam and would have no issue converting if I could still listen to my edgy teen metal, eat bacon and drink a carton of piss on the weekends

>>133201203
>redpilled
yeah no
the only redpill in the whole religion is that women shouldn't have rights

the rest is just a cult for braindeads where you need to have blind faith in your shitty leaders and where the end goal is world domination

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>>133206103
>this book is full of bullshit
>yet i'll still use it to back my claims that X was an awful person ! xD
Typical fedora behaviour.

>>133206293
>translation
HARAM

>>133206453
Here we try to open a school inside every mosque, sadly we don't have enough space to take in every kid

>>133201203
Its blue pilled
The writing is so child like and retarded it's nothing like the bible, people say "oh read it in Arabic what you don't know Arabic then you can't read the krona :^)" but the bible isn't originally written in English and the language in it is beautiful!
It's full of inconsistencies it's so retarded it's actually like a grade school book
Like in one part baby Jesus starts talking about how he's a servant of Allah, yeah Jesus performed miracles but he never spoke as a baby that's not a miracle that's just retarded

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>>133206779

>>133202647
yes, it's mostly just culture here, truth be told i think everybody even the pious ones here are not for sharia, they say they are because they not it's not gonna be implemented anytime soon

>>133206903
Atleast not Wahhabi Mosque/School..
in Madrassa I'm learn about Fiqh, different things between madhab, History of Islam include Civil war of Muslim, History of Sect like Qadariya, Jabbariya, Murji'a etc. and so many other

>>133202150

If you stopped blowing us up instead of our common enemy then chances are you'd be less hated. Blow up white, blonde, blue eyed kids. rape them etc alongside our women?

Somehow, you're not very liked. Would muslims like it if it were the opposite?

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>>133206903
You guys marry your cousins, therefore your inbred scum. Your opinions mean nothing to me, do want you want in your own country's

>>133206533
Read more faggot. Islam isn't against freedom of speech, it even teachers believes not to insult polytheist gods so that they may not insult God in retaliation. This wouldn't happen if they would systematically be put to death

>>133206583
>I know it's void and bullshit
>but I'll use it too
>and I'll also blame religions to use fairy tales to manipulate people
>except when I do it, it's not as bad
Fedora """ethics"""" everyone.

>>133206603
Are you Iranian ?

>>133206650
>do you enjoy our women acting like whores riding the cock carousel, do you enjoy our children being indoctrinated into the LGBT
Who said these were Western values ? The West needs to go back to Christianity. Either that or Islam; but God is the only way to recover for the West.

>>133201203
yea, and it's a mother load of shitty, violent ideas.
we reject your one world religion and substitute our own. It condemns Mo as a typical, violent nigger, not holy in any way, just a fucking insane, psychopathic warlord. who liked to fuck kids.

>>133206895
>would have no issue converting if I could still listen to my edgy teen metal, eat bacon and drink a carton of piss on the weekends
It's discouraged, but many Muslims have been drinkers at the time of Muhammad, and after that there has been many notable Muslims who were drunks at various points, including Saladin.

I think Islam mainly wants you to believe in Allah, the prophet, Last Day etc. Then as your piety increases, you should reduce your transgressions.

Let's be real. Getting smashed on the weekend isn't good for you or sustainable behaviour in the long term. The Quran even admits there is some good in booze, but that the bad outweighs the good.

For most of history in Islamic countries, alcohol has been tolerated, but frowned upon. Palestine, for example, still has its own beer festival.

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>>133206966
Biased hippie Christian detected

>>133201203
Yeah, I studied Islam from Saudis for a while. They're pretty hardcore with everything (especially Wahhabism). I'll never forget being in the middle of a Quran study, and in between explaining verses and their meaning, my teacher starts talking about how dishonest and greedy Jews are.
>...God abandoned them. Proceeds to tell me how the entire world will be Islamic one day.
Based and hilarious all at the same time.

>>133204925
Islam is not a religion, Muhammed never once spoke to God, he's just a random lunatic the devil chose as his victim to start this disgusting cult. Islam should be wiped out

>>133207328
I'm not a hippie
Biased how? Because I've read the bible? Read the Quran? Read the Mishneh Torah?

>>133201203
Islam is literally National Socialism

Prove me wrong faggits

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>>133207328

>>133207428
The Vatican is influenced by pagans, it's a pagan church with some sprinkling of Christianity in it.

Like it or not, islam is the religion of realism my doods

>>133206966
Because the bible was rewritten to sound "beautiful". And if you rewrite the word of God it is now false.
>>133207023
>Rape
Rape is a severe crime and is punishable by death
>beheadings
Eye for eye, beheadings are used in death sentences
>Burning people alive
Prophet said: “Do not punish with the punishment of Allah.” (ie fire)
>Female genital mutlilation
This is an arab tradition, not islamic
>Hostage taking
Hostages are treated well and given care
>Honour killings
Where did you find this?
>Slavery
There's no slavery, there's indentured servitude
>Oppression of women
Men and women have separate roles and separate rights this doesn't mean women are oppressed

Just because you find an image on google images doesn't make you an expert on Islam.

>>133207275
I agree with you, because the old western values were based upon Christianity that God is the only to save the west, I was speaking of the new western "values" to a poster who seemed to be claiming that Islam is not a valid option for our future.

>>133206895
Quran limits it to 4 though

>metal
What subgenres ?

>>133207244
based, I hope you thank your parents for that

>>133207507
>religion of realism
>has a flying horse in it

>>133207425
>It has nothing to do with White Europeans
>It has nothing to do with Norse Paganism
>It tells you it is OK to rape kids
>It tells you it is OK to marry your cousin.

>>133207490
Bingo.

>>133206459
I'm referring to Imran Hosein's lectures. Theres many where he speaks about christians re-conquering Constantinople (or muslims giving it back)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4va1NQ5Lzck

I'm not a muslim, I just listen to Imran Hosein. (and Mufti Menk and a few others sometimes)

LGBTQ shit and degeneracy is a submission tactic. Accepting Islam means already submitting fully to someone.

If you submitted to the kikes, they wouldn't shove this shit down our throats. Is that redpilled?

>>133207524
That's completely false, it's just the bible is the inspired word of God, God never gave his word to Muhammed the angel Gabriel did, the bible warned 500 years before Islam even existed that Satan can disguise himself as an angel.
This would explain the satanic practises of Islam

>>133207524
That is a matter of Opinion, you guys rarely follow those rules but tell others you do. You don't think I know all about Taqiya?

>>133207556
Yes, everyday I pray for them especially for my mom. because I feel so thankful.

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>>133207611
>it tells you it is OK to rape kids
Wait, its not?

>>133207837
This. Islam is a military code. No two armies fight the same. As such, it can be geared to however the man on top wants it to be.

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>>133202554
>>>133202423
>Too much makeup. But, yeah, little girls are great.

Pedo-meter at 100% Alert!!!!

>>133207833
>Evangelical Church Detected

>>133207598
so much crazy stuff happened to different prophets, I believe it.

God isn't real, if I were to burn all records of the Bible and Quran in the world, then kill off everyone who followed or knew about them, then the world would be a very different place with the new generations, at least they won't believe in religion. :^)

>>133207935
No it's not the bible says you can't marry a girl until she has had her flow, this started at a much higher age a hundred years ago, I remember reading around 16 was the average age in the 1800's
The foods we eat now the estrogens in it that come from the plastics and chemicals and whatever is ruining our hormones girls are blooming quicker and men are becoming feminine and gay

>>133201203
>its actually too RED PILLED in nearly ever aspect
obviously

White sharia > white atheism

>>133207982
Do you believe Joseph Smith was visited by an angel?

>>133207977
Call me what you like, the bible is Gods word I believe every single word of it whatever you want to label me that's your choice

>>133206966
>The writing is so child like and retarded it's nothing like the bible, people say "oh read it in Arabic what you don't know Arabic then you can't read the krona :^)" but the bible isn't originally written in English and the language in it is beautiful!
Christian proselytizers go out of their way to translate the Bible into every conceivable language and tuning things towards local tradition; it gets many more converts but it makes things messy theologically. Muslim proselytizers try to keep things as consistent and unmodified as possible which normally involves pushing Arab culture and language onto converts; it is good for keeping confusion and missteps down but makes it hard to join in.

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>>133207727
In the end we all serve someone, even if it's only ourselves, submitting to God is much different from submitting to the world though and different from surrendering to (((them))) especialy since the end goal is our complete destruction.

>>133201203
Please tell me some Islamic redpills. Would be quite interested in hearing some.

>>133208078
Mormonism is basically the same thing as Islam, it has almost the same origins
"An angel" comes and visits the prophet and says God wanted to tell them this, oh yeah apparently God didn't have enough time to speak to his prophet. Islam is a blaspheming cult and so is Mormonism
I think the muhammedan and the Mormon should both be whipped personally

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>>133208078
No man, but yes, I do believe Jesus (a.s) walked on water and brought the dead back to life with God's permission and stuff like that.

>>133206895
>This and I want 14 wives
People always say this

What they don't realize is that they'd end up being the 13 other men who never get laid, and have to rape little boys or join isis

If in modern western society you aren't rich, alpha and handsome enough to get 14 girlfriends, in the islamic world you'd remain the same virgin

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>>133208133
You get to marry your cousin, you get to rape kids,you get to be a closet gay. Real redpilled?

>>133208156
See >>133207977

>>133208125
>submitting to God is much different from submitting to the world though and different from surrendering to (((them)))

They invented God.

It's not only figuratively the same, it's literally the same.

It's even more pathetic since you have all of human history to tell you the objective truth.

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>>133208159
>posting the photoshopped version

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>>133208159
Togeth..er

>>133208177
What the difference between those things and Joseph Smith's story?

>>133208133
Watch this and see how close it describes the world and even pol so accurately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-OmlOb_dFg&index=2&list=PLyfPcUoivAtbqB8Fj7R6jsNV_8Nc8U5YR

>>133208101
Yeah I agree a bit, look at Europe they kept a lot of the pagan practises and even ignore half the bible because they were told "oh don't worry disobey God you'll still be saved"
They just wanted a new statistic which they could collect money from, the early church wasn't a good thing either, since the 4th century the Catholic Church has been heretical, they introduce pagan customs because they know the Roman people wouldn't follow this "Jew" religion so they made it Roman and easy for the masses to follow. The church is a political tool, but the bible is Gods word

>>133207598
>Flying horse
This gets passed around quite a lot. The name of the horse was buraq, which means "light" in arabic. He went from mecca to masjid aqsa to heaven then to mecca again in a matter of seconds (his bed was still warm). Now, as an object goes close to the speed of light time will seem to stop, (according to e=mc^2). Now, the prophet rode the buraq, whatever it was, meaning he rode "light".

>>133207720
Imran Hosein is redpilled af.

>>133207833
The bible was an inspired word of God, but once you change those words it becomes a book written by a man, not God. After christianity was corrupted God sent down the Quran. The Quran has not been changed.
>>133207837
Taqiya may only be practiced if you're under a death ridden situation. So if someone is gonna kill you over something you can lie to get out of it. Taqiya to spread Islam is a shiie principle.

>>133208177
So you believe that 2500 years ago, when people didn't know how to check a pulse or the signs of death, the only way to convince a crowd you died and were resurrected was to have it happen?

Or ditto for walking on some rocks in water, or common tricks which can be done by mortals today even?

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>>133208259
Yeah sorry white people are waking up faggot. You might get some SJWs and psychos but the good ones will not submit to your bullshit. Pic related.

>>133208229
Having a large group of young, restless single men is apart of Islam's genius.

They are fodder for jihad and expanding the religion to take wives of other cultures.

>>133208365
>Taqiya may only be practiced if you're under a death ridden situation. So if someone is gonna kill you over something you can lie to get out of it. Taqiya to spread Islam is a shiie principle.

You're all under a death ridden situation right now.

>>133208078
No, but if mormon believe that, it was part of their rights and I'm not interfere it.

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>>133208411
Please kill all the SJWs and faggots then we can get down to business.

>>133208365
>This gets passed around quite a lot. The name of the horse was buraq, which means "light" in arabic. He went from mecca to masjid aqsa to heaven then to mecca again in a matter of seconds (his bed was still warm). Now, as an object goes close to the speed of light time will seem to stop, (according to e=mc^2). Now, the prophet rode the buraq, whatever it was, meaning he rode "light".
Oh well thats so much more realistic lol fucking hell how do you people believe this stuff

>>133208259
I would join the next holy crusade and kill Muslims and rape all their musrat poon tang into birthing superior white mixed bastards.

>>133208365
You can read the bible in its original language if you want, just because an English or Latin translation was made doesn't mean it was "corrupted" this logic makes no sense, if I translate a french book will Jules Verne get mad and send the french copies to my shop?
It's ridiculous, nothing is stopping anyone from learning the original languages of the bible and reading it in their original language, it's just difficult because it's more than one language.
You can compare the KJV bible to the Jewish English translation of the Torah and it would be the exact same thing, did Jews and Christians both get corrupted by the exact same source? Did they both get this exact same corrupted copy?

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>>133202150
ah not again this retarded argument, when will you learn fag?
/pol being pro-traditional values doesn't make /pol pro-Islam (inbreeding, shit genetics and silly beliefs anyone?)

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>>133208297
No, Anon. In fact, there can be no peace with non-Christians, not even among Christians and supposedly Christian heretics.

>>133208310
The book of mormon is full of logical mistakes, while the Quran is perfect. People here always posted some website with allegedly mistakes in the quran, I saw through them and these claims were false.

>>133208367
But why would there be so many prophets who essentially ALL preach the same? To reject polytheism and only pray to a single god.

>>133208493
Your type of Islam is only practiced in your country. These Arabs are monsters and are are only becoming worse because the Jews who own the states bombed them. they some how thinks that gives them an excuse to hide behind women and weak willed men to take over Europe.

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>>133208604
Islam in some ways is very modernist compared to western beliefs
Their women wear very tight inmodest pants that show off their crotch and bottom, and the shape of their legs.

Haven't read neither Bible, Quran, Torah or anything like that.
I don't want to waste my time on bad books.
Would rather read Shakespeare or Dostoyevsky instead.

>>133208252
>They invented God
No God invented them, and he blessed them but then they forsook him, so he had to try again. As far as secular human history and science much of it has been rewritten to suit narratives and it shifts with the political winds.

>>133208630
Even among Christian brothers there can't be peace,
Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

>>133208576
Yes, you can read it in it's original language, but the bible was corrupted in it's original language. There aren't whole original copies of the same bible revealed to Jesus. If there were I'd be christian.

>>133208735
But in that case, Anon., it is something a Christian should try for.

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>>133208654
The Quran is perfect hahahaha

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>>133203057
This. Tards.

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>>133203229
>>>133202647
>How can they follow Islam and not have read the Qu'ran?

They're forced to memorise it from childhood, they just sputter arabic without really knowing what that means.

then they go through life engaging in sinning activities like drinking and fucking (outside marriage) and performing all sort of excesses.

Later when they're alienated and want out of alcohol and drugs re-discover religión and remember the verses where everything is the White's fault and if they kill themselves while killing infidels their sins are all forgiven and they go to harem-heaven.

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>>133208630
You know what's hersey? Allowing other religions to exist. Fight for Jacques DeMolay!

>>133208654
The Quran is full of logical mistakes, while the Book of Mormon is perfect. People here always posted some website with allegedly mistakes in the Book of Mormon, I saw through them and these claims were false.

>>133208654
>The book of mormon is full of logical mistakes
Such as?
>while the Quran is perfect.
By what criteria is the Quran more perfect than The Book of Mormon?

>>133208758
Except the bible has proven itself to be true, it's made predictions even about Islam, it's made predictions about the rise of the population of the beast of the field and take over of Europe, it's made scientific predictions that were true. Any atheist scholar will say, if any of the abrahamic faiths are true, it's Christianity. Islam claims for example Jesus wasn't crucified this is a 100% accepted fact by everyone there are Roman sources claiming this, Jewish sources and Christian sources. Oh but you believe he switched places with someone then flew away to heaven like some Saturday morning cartoon, that's what Islam is it's a brain dead cult that appeals to the lowest common denominator, it's the Big Bang theory of religions

>>133208668
Majority of Muslim in Europe wasn't Arab. But they was part of Muslim Kangz, Afghan, Paki, Maghreb, Pajeet who was known to be retarded even in Muslim World.

>>133208654
>But why would there be so many prophets who essentially ALL preach the same? To reject polytheism and only pray to a single god

It's pretty profitable.

If I could get you to follow me and fight for me free of charge and you're completely and utterly obedient AND I don't even have to fucking pay you, I'd do it too.

>>133208547
The winged horse could have been an airplane. It was only described as a winged horse because there was no other way to explain it to the people. It could have been an advanced form of technology which the prophet took to heaven. The point is, not everything is literal in religion. There are a lot of metaphors which were used because people 1400 years ago didn't have modern vocabulary.

>>133208910
Source needed I have read the Bible to and think that is all speculation. I am not trying to be a dick Christ bro just don't know where it says any of that?

>>133208732
>No God invented them, and he blessed them but then they forsook him, so he had to try again

And who told you all of that?

>>133208963
Yeah that is a good point.

>>133208758
Just ignore him bro, may Allah Guide him

>>133209015
These guys don't need proof to believe things for some reason? Still I have no problems with Christians.

>>133208910
>bible has many scientific claims
Because it was originally the divine word of God. Some parts were changed, others weren't. The Quran also has many scientific claims. Unlike the bible, it wasn't changed. Quran>Bible. How hard is that to get? God revealed the Quran because the bible was corrupted.
>>133209027
Ameen

>>133209015
I read all three books cover to cover, working on learning the language so that I can read them in their original language and have a complete understanding, but from what I know so far I have a good understanding. I have also discussed theology with faith leaders from many different faiths. So intensive research has told me that.

>>133208892
>Such as?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Book_of_Mormon#Historical_accuracy

>The Quran is a linguistic wonder. No book in the entirety of Arab literrature has had such a lyrical prowess. In the Quran, God challenges the disbeliever to only produce ONE surah, which is comparable to a surah of the Quran. They never managed, nobody managed this, even nowadays.

The Quran is in perfect compliance with what previous prophets said. If you read the bible and read only the parts, where Jesus talks, you will see that everything Jesus says, is in perfect harmony with the quran.

>>133208892
I think it is just what appeals to you more. I honestly don't think people choose to be religious, they are just drawn to it, whatever the form it. It is a matter of personal connection, just like the way you feel about family or other strong emotional things. I am sure there is some scientific explanation of religion, just like there is for love, but it doesn't change the subjective strength of it as it plays out in the minds of individuals experiencing it. You can't reason with it.

>>133201917
Its a bulwark against degeneracy for sure, but it is massively prone to stagnation. Ismalis are probably the group of Muslims that avoid this the best but their reliance on a set point in the past as their guiding point is a massive weakness.

Wahhabism is basically "man the modern world is complicated to live in as the prophet wanted... lets revert to the 6th century before we got Mongol'd".

I'm an amoral pragmatist obsessed with power and group survival though so take this as you will.

>>133209134
Not needing proof is denying god, because he made you inquisitive, curious and intelligent. If you blindly follow you're saying he was wrong.

I'm not an atheist friend, I'm just not about kike strategies for profit and other outdated religious crap (such as paganism).

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>>133208910
All the more reason to kill musrats. It is time for another round of bloodshed!

>>133208968
So now Mohammed flew a plane, again, how is this any less ridiculous? This is not what a metaphor is, you're just changing what vehicle he literally flew around in lol.

A metaphor would be that it never actually happened and is just a substitute for some lesson being taught.

>>133208994
I wanted to link you to conservapedia but it's down right now, they have a good article about it.
I'm not saying Islam is 100% wrong, obviously there's some truths in it, some of the texts in it are inspired by the bible you at the very least believe Jesus is one of God's prophets while the Jews reject him and murdered him.
But there is just too many inconsistencies for me and I have never had a Muslim give me a good argument.
It's always "oh the bible is corrupt so it's wrong :^)" well why is it?
Or "oh that's a bad source the Quran should be in Arabic only"
Well why does Quran.com have this translation on their website then?
Every debate or argument with a Muslim is like arguing with a kindergartener "it's true because I say so!" There's no individual thought, I don't think Muslims really read the Quran, they read it to memorise it that's it they don't pay attention to what they're reading and think "hold on that's strange"

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>>133206374
>>>133206293
>Yeah I read the whole thing, so fuck off.
>>133206103
>>>133205983
>As if any religion's book is a true historical source?

My favourite is the Egyptians getting fed up with the chosen ones' shenanigans and getting kicked out, then the chosen ones rewrite history as if they escaped with the help of god.

>>133208963
Still these fuckers are destroying my home land because they could not beat us in a real fight so they need cucks and women to hide behind.If they truly where as tough as they say they are they would just have attacked like men.

>>133209170
No, who told you and everyone else about the Jews, who they were and what happened to God.

Who's the source? The first source?

>>133202263
The Koran is like 3/4 the length of the new testiment. You can finish it in a weekend.

itt:subtle brainwshing
fuck off mohammed

Nice knockoff edgelord barbaric religion you got there.

>>133209157
Just because it was translated into a different language doesn't mean its changed. The Quran wasn't even recorded by the original author, unlike the bible. The prophets who God gave his word to wrote the bible, they knew God's exact words. Muhammed who spoke only with an angel and never God gave his followers his spoken words, then he died and his followers wrote the Koran. The Koran is man made, the bible is prophet made. That's the difference

>>133201203

This is the most Reddit thread ever. Good job, Reddit!

I'd say Muslims deserve to be nuked back to the stone age, but we wouldn't notice any difference.

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>>133208824
>Jacques DeMolay
The knighs templar had to spit and walk on the cross. They rejected christ. They were the first europeans to get jewed. The knights templar spawned todays freemasons.

>>133208966
All of them warned of a great punishment, that befalls those who do not follow the ammendments of God If it weren't for that imminent punishment, I would be the most nihilistic person ever, believe me.

In the last 2 years I've noticed how fast time passes by, how little time we have here and remembered that verse from the Quran, where God says that nobody can escape death and that we all will return to him.

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>>133209281
(((They))) are the ones who profit from all this.

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>>133201203
>freighting
Hehe. I see what you did there.

>>133209458
Sounds like your just fucking scared to die to me.

>>133201203
>as
Nice try sand nigger. Back to your rabbit hole now

>>133208365
owo take me as ur waifu pls

>>133209416
Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 20:24
But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.

Leviticus 26:7
And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.


Leviticus 26:15
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

Leviticus 26:17
And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

Leviticus 26:21
And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

Leviticus 26:22
I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

Leviticus 26:25
And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

Leviticus 26:38
And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up

Either our enemies will fall by the sword, or we shall perish among the heathens and the land of our enemies shall eat us up. Which do you want?

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

>>133209458
>All of them warned of a great punishment, that befalls those who do not follow the ammendments of God

You can't motivate a free army without at least SOME material, real punishment if they fail to obey. Do sergeants not threaten the soldiers in their regiment with punishment if they do wrong?

Does court marshaling not exist if you fuck up in the army?

Hell only costs less money, because all you need to do is talk about it convincingly enough.

>>133209293
Who first told me about the Jews? An anon right here on /pol/ I had honestly never considered that they were the ones actually behind all the degeneracy going on before then, I had blamed the political left-wing, the people at church acted as if Jews were the good guys and Israel was great, and no one else really talked about them. But once I was told about that I dug deeper.

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>>133209458
>I'd be a degenerate criminal if not for [external factor]
Yes, we know you fucking subhuman.
We know you need a slavedriver to have a semblance of civility.


We know.

>>133209284
I know, because of their bad habit who was part of their culture, especially Gulfies Arab treat migrants from those retarded country very harsh.
Not only you and other european, even in muslim world know that European Law was Very Cucked

>>133209395
>The Quran wasn't even recorded by the original author, unlike the bible.
Jesus didn't write the bible, friend. Muhammad actually recited it word for word to his companions and they memorised it and wrote it down. There's a big difference in transmission here. The Quran was compiled after Muhammad's death. It was already written down while he was alive and then finally brought together as a a final version we see today.

I invite you to think about it objectively.

>>133209458
I meant God's will, not amendments. Wrong vocab.

>>133209519
No, but the punishment, which would mean an eternity in hellfire. 80 years is nothing compared to eternity. Otherwise, as I said, I would be a pretty nihilistic person.

>>133209604
The church lied, the bible says those who lie and call themselves the Jews (Talmudists) are of the synagogue of Satan

>>133209604
No, who told you about the role of kikes in the Bible and who told you about who they were and all that.

Who told the guy you talked to, who told him and so on until the very beginning, who spread around the word of God and who said that the Jews were his chosen who abandoned him and all that?

>>133209560

And?

Put your suicide vest on, and press the detonator in an empty place, Ahmed. Subhuman shit.

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>>133209293
First source? Pic related.

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>>133209430
>JEWISH PROPAGANDA INSTAFIES

>>133209190
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Book_of_Mormon#Historical_accuracy
You realise anyone could produce a similar list of innaccuracies for the Quran right?

>The Quran is a linguistic wonder. No book in the entirety of Arab literrature has had such a lyrical prowess. In the Quran, God challenges the disbeliever to only produce ONE surah, which is comparable to a surah of the Quran. They never managed, nobody managed this, even nowadays.
This is not proof of anything, its entirely subjective. Even if it were true, being beautiful poetry doesn't grant something divinity.

>The Quran is in perfect compliance with what previous prophets said. If you read the bible and read only the parts, where Jesus talks, you will see that everything Jesus says, is in perfect harmony with the quran.
The bible isn't true either and there's no proof of the divinity of any of the previous prophets.

>>133209699
I know that now, and have read of their transgressions recorded in the Bible, I no longer attend that church.

>>133209699
>the bible says those who lie and call themselves the Jews (Talmudists) are of the synagogue of Satan

Kikes are the best at kiking themselves. Soon as they erroneously destroy us, they'll destroy each other real quick.

>>133209740
If that's the first source of the truth of kikes ( which wasn't my question, by the way) that you recognize, you should educate yourself a lot more.

>>133209190

lol

ISIS LARPer, spewing garbage about how the Qu'ran is the best book ever written.

No it isn't. Get off the dick.

It also is in direct contradiction of both Judaism and Christianity. Just shut up and go blow yourself up, hopefully in a crowd of other Muslims.

>>133202628
You liar. Taqiyya

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>>133209281

They pulled the same shit with Germany and the holohoax. Rabbis started drawing parallels between

>OY VEY MUH ANCIENT EGYPT THEY WERE SO CRUEL
>OY VEY MUH NAZIS THEY WERE SO CRUEL

Both stories end in Jews dispossessing some other poor schmuck's land and plundering it for their own. Without the persecution narrative, Jews might realize how inhumane they are to the rest of the world. Also, It's likely that they invented the narrative so Christians would support their claim to the holy land.

"Oy vey! It's my holy land shewn to me by our God Walter Rothschild who extorted the land from the British crown because they owned the bank of England! The Balfour Declaration is a divine document just like our talmud and torah! Praise G-d! Praise R-thschild!"

>>133209678
According to every other religion you are going to hell? Funny I though you guys where not allowed to gamble? You really think God put us on this Earth to burn in hell fire because we had a beer once? GTFO.

>>133209676
How do you know he memorised it word for word? Did he tell you that?
He didn't speak with God but an "angel" yeah Jesus didn't write the bible, because he was murdered then went to heaven. His followers wrote the chapters about him, but that doesn't mean Moses didn't write many chapters either. He spoke directly with God multiple times and everyone listened, he wrote down the words and they followed these laws which is much more difficult than Islam, Islam is basically the easy mode Torah, it's s simplified religion made to get followers.

>>133209676
>I invite you to think about it objectively.
Thinking about any supernatural claim objectively will result in rejecting all which have no empirical evidence supporting them. Are you sure you want people to think about Islam objectively?

>>133201203
>i mean its actually too RED PILLED in nearly ever aspect

Too red pilled? Islam's holy scriptures are a blueprint for hell on earth. If you can't be bothered to read any of it, just look at the places where it's implemented and at those elsewhere that follow it's teachings and commandments the strictest.

>>133209738
I'm Hungarian
Why would I blow myself up? That won't achieve anything but a few dead people, Jesus also said if you live by the sword you die by the sword, that's a last resort the bible warned us and we wouldn't have to do this if we kept walking according to God's ways, we haven't reached that point yet unlike in South Africa we don't need violence to save Europe it's still salvageable, but just barely. America? I'm not so sure about

>>133209973
Yeah that would be the worst thing they could ask of their followers....for them any way.

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European traditionalism =/= islamic fundamentalism
Get this in your heads inbred mongrels.

>>133210083
THIS!

>>133209676
Ahmed please. Your book, religion and culture are shit. Deal with it.

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>Illiterate man who says semen comes from kidneys wrote it.

>Most followers are members of a race with an IQ average of 80

>redpilled

>>133209895
Nope, we go to heaven, because we exactly do as Noah, Lot, Moses, Jesus and all the other prophets demanded. it was always the same message.

For example: In the bible it says that pig's meat is forbidden, yet Paul says that it's allowed to eat. Who is apostle Paul to decide such a matter? Was he the messenger? No.

>>133209873
You little shithole seems nice. Watch the news tomorrow.

>>133209973
>Are you sure you want people to think about Islam objectively?
This is a discussion about the reliability of the Quran vs Bible as it represents authentic teaching as originally posited. Ultimately the claims of both books are of a supernatural nature.

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>>133210223
You know there are more than 3 religions in the world right? Oh wait yeah your book says they are all false right.....?

>>133201203
wew yeah muhammad flying to heaven on a winged horse woohoo!

during the final battle against the jews, they'll be too scared to fight the brave muslims so will hide behind trees and rocks but the trees and rocks will begin to speak and let y'all know that the jews are hiding behind them and you should come and kill them

>>133210223

The dead sea scrolls discredit islam. Muhammad said the bible was corrupted the DSS prove it was not.

Islam is literally the only religion on the planet that can be objectively proven wrong in one point.

>>133209275
It could have been anything, I wasn't there so I don't know. What I do know is "buraq" means light, which literally translates to "Muhammad rode light to heaven". Doesn't seem like a scientifically outlandish claim now. It's amazing how Islam had scientific knowledge 1400 years ago.
>>>133209395
>then he died and his followers wrote the Koran
The Quran wasn't written after he died, it was compiled after he died. There's a difference. And, yes the Quran was given by word of mouth. Which makes it amazing how the word "day" is repeated 365 times in the Quran. And how seven heavens is repeated 7 times. And the number of times the words earth and hereafter are repeated 115 each. Paradise and hell are both repeated 77 times. Wine and intoxication are repeated 6 times each. There are hundreds of these miracles in the Quran: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_01.html

How could a man who was revealed a book orally get these miracles? It's amazing really.

>>133209210
>I think it is just what appeals to you more. I honestly don't think people choose to be religious, they are just drawn to it, whatever the form it. It is a matter of personal connection, just like the way you feel about family or other strong emotional things. I am sure there is some scientific explanation of religion, just like there is for love, but it doesn't change the subjective strength of it as it plays out in the minds of individuals experiencing it. You can't reason with it.


Top fucking kek. It's called indoctrination mate. (Safe for the few sad sobs that go from one religion to the next and so on later in life, desperately looking for meaning where there is none.)

>>133210426

Deuteronomy 13 says false prophets can perform miracles as a test to an individual's faith. Even assuming he did perform miracles it would not prove him correct.

>>133210357
>The dead sea scrolls discredit islam. Muhammad said the bible was corrupted the DSS prove it was not.
>Islam is literally the only religion on the planet that can be objectively proven wrong in one point.

>Muh holy zombie

MFW you're probably not even trolling

>>133210282
But the reliability of the authors is completely irrelevant when the claims of divinity rest on the supernatural.

Rastafarians for example believe Haile Selassie was the son of god and Marcus Garvey was a prophet, as they both lived in the modern era we have photographic, video, and written evidence of the things they said and did with a far greater standard of reliability than any ancient religion. Does that make Rastafarianism more correct?

All religious people are equally crazy in their amount of internal bias. It seems stupid to try and continue to argue who is right. The ultimate nature of religion means that people are very stuck in their ways, and will never consider alternate views until they are ready and willing to.

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>>133210426
I have proof Hitler was in contact with Aliens pic related.....

>>133202150
>share the same views
I'm not into stoning people, anti-free market, incestuous, or any of that crazy shit.
Also, pro-traditionalism =/= pro-islam

>>133203383
Don't forget other types of muslims. They hate them too.

Lots if hate going there for a religion of peace

>>133210544

I am a jew not a christian. Never mentioned a holy zombie.

Also "muh holy zombie" is not sufficient to prove christianity wrong. I have been arguing with christians for years. On behalf of good rhetoric mockery in of itself is not in argument.

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>>133210566
I wouldn't care if Islamic young men where not running around raping and killing the people who are trying to help them.

>>133210580
>I'm not into stoning people

Not even the homos that survived being thrown of the highest point in the wide vicinity?

But it's such a fun communal activity right after Friday's prayer and 100% halal!

>>133210223
Pork is "forbidden" not in the same way as Judaism or Islam, the foods God forbid are just unclean to us, it's not sinful to eat.
I mean you can eat pork you won't die, you'll live but it's not clean in the sense that it's not good for you following a kosher diet is the ideal.

Leviticus 11:7
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

It's unclean, not impure, you know what else is unclean? Your seed, if you spill your seed you're unclean until the evening.

>>133210314
"false" is the wrong word. Muslim scholars believe that some early Jews and Christians were muslim at some time, but after the scriptures were altered, their progeny became misguided.

So they are still called ahl al kitab=people of the book


>>133210357
Well then explain me this:

God knows everything, right? God doesn't lie, right? And Christians say Jesus is the son of god and at the same time god, right? (trinity)

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Mark 13,32

Did Jesus not know or did he lie?How did he not know when he is god?

Obviously these scrolls must be wrong or state something different than the godhood of Jesus.

>>133210539
>Deuteronomy 13 says false prophets can perform miracles as a test to an individual's faith
It says if he performs miracles and then asks people to follow another God, then he is a false prophet. Muhammad did not ask people to follow another God, the Muhammad and the Quran literally say to follow the same God as Jesus and Moses followed

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>>133210655
Its all bullshit dude, I thought you guys where smart?

>>133210544
Zombie means the living dead, Jesus rose from the dead he's living and he's in heaven.

>>133207968
Yup. Thread about Muslims. Paedos flock to it. Sounds about right.

>>133210697

Good argument but I am a jew not a christian so it does not apply to me. My DSS argument stands.

>>133210554
I agree 100%. But this christian leaf was trying to say that the bible was more authentic than Quran, which is debatable. It was a small point that I argued.

It is much harder to work out a criteria for the highest truth in comparative religion, and I think that's a stupid task. Religion is dogmatism, at least the initial assumption which they are based on are always dogmatic and fallible to some degree.

I prefer and admire religious zealots who are pig headed and don't even pretend to be reasonable. At least they are honest.

>>133210655
>I am a jew not a christian.

Shalom.

>>133210544
>Islam is literally the only religion on the planet that can be objectively proven wrong in one point.

Ever heard of carbon dating? Also I happen to know there are lots of factually wrong claims in islam's holy scriptures and the supposed sayings of its prophet.

Can't really be bothered to read up on the rest but I'm quite sure they'll be full of BS too.

>>133201203
>actually too RED PILLED
Fuck off Akmed you shill cunt scum, you won't take the west, we will fight to preserve our lands from invaders.

>A religion that forces you to pray 5 times a day.

>A religion that controls every aspect of your life.

>A religion that forbids dancing and music.

>A religion that allows child brides

>A religion that won't let your wife pretty herself up for you

>A religion demands theocracy

>A religion whose mythology is so retarded it makes scientologist bullshit sound reasonable

Fuck you mudslide sympathizing pieces of shit. Your time is coming. Your satanic religion will be wiped from the face of the earth.

Hinduism is pretty crazy. Like, all of the gods fucking eat each other and transform like sentai characters.

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>>133210697
Look you do not seem like the rape and pillage type of mussy so I am trying not to be a dick top you but prove it. Pro tip you can't.

>>133210792
>Jesus rose from the dead he's living and he's in heaven.

And he both is and isn't his own father right?

>>133210752

No it does not. The second Muhammad argued the Torah was corrupted he argued for a different God.

The word Abrahamic is bullshit. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship a different God if you read the texts.

>>133210840
They only pray for 5 minutes, I had to work at some Muslim festival and the had prayers, they just say Allah Akbar a few times wave their hands up and down and bow down towards the idol in Mecca and then go home.

>>133210426
>It could have been anything, I wasn't there so I don't know.
Or indeed, get this, it might not have happened at all.

>What I do know is "buraq" means light, which literally translates to "Muhammad rode light to heaven". Doesn't seem like a scientifically outlandish claim now. it's amazing how Islam had scientific knowledge 1400 years ago.
The existence of light is knowledge that long predates Islam.

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>>133201203
>redpilled
>islam
>insecure religion that needs constant prayer and will lash out like a child when challenged

>>133210844
>and transform like sentai characters.

wtf I love hinduism now!

>>133210840
Also this
>a religion that will kill you for using psychoactive substances
P E A C E F U L

>>133210879
>Not rape and pillage muzzie

That doesn't exist, anon. Children are just men who haven't grown up yet, but they're still human, aren't they?

>>133210902
No, I don't believe in the trinity it's not biblical and it only became a part of the church belief starting in the 4th century during the council of Nicaea when the Roman Emperor Constantine who was a pagan introduced this concept.

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>>133210844
Sounds more like Aliens to me.

>>133208735
Jesus Christ broke bread with the tax collectors and the whores. Fuck you

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>>133210840

To be fair, most of the shit you listed was the case with Christianity for hundreds of years in Europe.

Also, the religion encourages the woman to be beautiful but only for her husband. Islam has a lot to critique but it's modesty is virtuous. Only Jews claim that Islam is bad because they keep their women in line.

Ironically, that's one of the main reasons people hate Islam.

>OY VEY THEY MUTILATE THEIR WOMEN
>In America our foreskins are cut off because Jewish doctors say it's healthy. This is mutilation.
>OY VEY THEIR WOMEN AREN'T ALLOWED TO WHORE AROUND!
>Meanwhile our civilization is collapsing because our women have no restraint and our men no longer have any authority over them

>>133210915
>The second Muhammad argued the Torah was corrupted he argued for a different God
No, he argued that the God portrayed in the torah was not the same god in the quran. Of course he was talking about the corrupted torah, not the original torah. The God portrayed in the original torah is the same god portrayed in the original bible and the quran.

>>133211028
>Ironically, that's one of the main reasons people hate Islam

No it's not.

>>133210935
>they just say Allah Akbar a few times wave their hands up and down and bow down towards the idol
Sickening.

>>133211028
Fuck off muslim cunt

>>133210840
White sharia > white atheism

>>133211025
They weren't believers, that's what the verse is saying if someone calls you brother and he's these things don't eat with him. He claims to be a believer but rejects God?
It's kind of like a warning to these false churches as well, that teach homo marriages

>>133211028
Yeah throwing acid in your wife's face is keeping them in line....? If your so weak you have to beat your wife to keep her in line your a bitch imo.

>>133211033

But his argument is wrong because of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Note again I am Jewish so arguments you prepared against Jesus will not work here.

>>133211077
The funny thing is the front half of the room was for men, the back half for women. After the first prayers all the men left, only the women stayed for the rest of the prayers but they couldn't switch sides so the last dozen men staying would be in the back and the hundreds of women could be closer to the stage.

>>133210840
Also you have to fast during ramadan from aun rise to sun set.

So my swedish muslim friends, how does it work here? Because currently we have ~3 hours of night here. Are you fasting for 21 hours?

And what about further north, where sun does not set at all?

>>133211152
DSS could still be corrupte, just earlier.

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>>133211152
Where you paid to shill here and got bored and jumped on this thread?

>>133211169
>The funny thing is the front half of the room was for men, the back half for women. After the first prayers all the men left, only the women stayed for the rest of the prayers but they couldn't switch sides so the last dozen men staying would be in the back and the hundreds of women could be closer to the stage.

Yeah real funny, the place of women in islam. Always makes me lol my ass off.

>>133207995
We had religion before God. We will have religion after God.

>>133211206
The earliest scrolls are from 400BC, if they were corrupt why did it take God 1,000 years to correct this and give Muhammed his word? Islam makes a mockery of God

>>133211195
>So my swedish muslim friends, how does it work here? Because currently we have ~3 hours of night here. Are you fasting for 21 hours?
>And what about further north, where sun does not set at all?

Obviously they adhere to the meccan sunrise and sunset.

God I wish I lived 30 years prior and had no reason to know any of this shit.

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>>133211195
What happend to our country's bro?

>>133211028
>Ironically, that's one of the main reasons people hate Islam.
No, we hate you because you slaughter our people, now please be so kind as to fuck off, and take your antisemitism memes with you, filthy shill.

>>133211239
I don't care what they do to their women, they continue to be a slave to Satan when they're in a free country now and can accept God into their lives but continue to reject them. That's their choice

>>133210947
>The existence of light is knowledge that long predates Islam
Yes, but the existence of the theory of relativity came 1300 years after the prophet. So if we assume the prophet lied about riding the buraq, this begs the question, even if it's a lie, how did he know about the theory of relativity and speed of light? Which he obviously wouldn't know, so out of these two scenarios, if one is false the other is automatically true. So we'd assume that he did ride the buraq.
>>133211152
>jewish
>on /pol/
Unlike the Quran, the scrolls can't be proven true. We have copies of the Quran which scientifically render to 1400 years ago. You can't say the same for the scrolls.

>>133211300
Would you know better than God here? You have to accept your lot, whatever it is.

>>133210816
I read these scrolls contain material from the old testament. I'm gonna look more into this. At least Muslims and Jews actually do worship the same god.

>>133210879
I'm the more rationalistic type. I'm a muzzie fanaticist and at the same time study physics to get that education of this life.

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>>133211313
I wish I lived 30 years prior and DID know this stuff.