"So you've been brainwashed into thinking that communists

>>132976128
No, they're worse.

>>132976128
No, they just co-opted the movement probably in the 50-60s

>>132976128
Not all commies are libs, but all libs are commies.

>>132976192
communist agenda detected

Not all Communists are Liberals...

But all Liberals are stinking COMMIES

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>>132976267

FUCK...I thought I was being original. Then saw your post.

>>132976276
>>132976267

Classic propoganda

>>132976128
Modern-day liberals should just drop the "liberal" label already. They stopped being libertarian a long time ago. They're leftists and communists.

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>>132976128
Well in the classical sense, of course they aren't. Liberalism at least in philosophic terms is a tradition of freedom and egalitarianism. There is actually some moral foundation to the idea. Communism has no philosophic legitimacy whatsoever, and is more or less categorically evil by every metric upon which an ideology can be judged.

But when people say this, what they're really saying is that most "liberals" are closeted Socialists who essentially want the same thing as communists except by deception rather than than open revolution. The Slow March through the Institutions is objectively verifiable fact, there's no denying that it happened. A great many "liberals" are simply Marxists whose dumb ideology got crushed, and who now feel the compulsion to continue it by hook and crook rather than by shooting innocent people in the head and bayoneting children.

>>132976377
When will Russia stop being unrighteous and admit their war crimes?

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>>132976128
fuck off

>>132976128
>implying "liberal" means anything anymore

>>132976313
>>132976500
my bros

>>132976267
/thread

>>132976594
When war is over. And while I see american flags - it is not.

Anyone who wants a soviet system of government is mentally ill

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>>132976128
kys

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No, fuck liberals.

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>>132976128
>its another "Oh gosh, liberal means different things in euro and american context" thread.

>>132976761
not my bro

>>132976842
B R A I N W A S H E D cuck

>>132976267
Liberals want to destroy all collective identity

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>>132976128

No, liberals have morphed into quasi Progressive Communists. The old Commies are still as they always have been.

I refer to Liberals as "progressives" these days because using the term liberal is disingenuous.

The opposite of a liberal is a totalitarian. LIberals want free speech, freedom of choice, would be anti-gun control and want as little government intervention in the lives of citizens as possible.

Modern day "Liberals" or Progressives as I call them want a huge government presence in our lives and want most of the freedoms we enjoy to be curtailed and regulated for our "own good".

So again a Liberal wants a free and open society and its opposite is a Totalitarian who wants to restrict individual freedoms and increase the power of the state.

A Progressive is someone who wants to change society in such a way that it is completely different from how it is now. A Conservative wants to keep society the same as it is presently or bring it back to a point in time.

The vast majority of people on /pol/ are Liberal Conservatives. They don't care what people do in their free time, once its not shoved in their face and doesn't break decent morality.

The vast majority of political users on websites like Reddit are Progressive Totalitarians. Mostly just Communists with the degeneracy of LGBT, large scale abortion and a mongrelised populace.

>>132976128
We are say "liberal" we mean modern liberal, not actual liberal, retard.

But liberalism is a economical model that has no similarity with communism.
Margaret Tatcher and Ronald Reagan had neoliberal economical models with privatisation, deregulation and free trade.

Maybe you are thinking about social liberalism, an offshoot of liberalism.

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True communists oppose gun control

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Adorno's first book was called The Dialectic of Enlightenment, which he wrote with Horkheimer, and which is an interesting thesis because like a true Marxist he goes right back to the roots and one of the paradoxes is that although Liberalism has embraced a lot of soft Marxism, this is a ferocious critique of Liberalism! The Dialectic of Enlightenment is now an attack on the Enlightenment! He ferociously lambasts these liberal theorists for their reactionary nature, their desire to exploit man in the name of capitalist progress, their desire to dominate nature. Adorno believed that Fascism was a natural reaction against capitalistic exploitation and the desire liberals, liberals, had to exploit man and nature.

Adorno is so far to the left that Liberals are the enemy! Never forget that for a true Communist the liberals are the scum, and the middling ones, to whom you will give enough latitude, you will give enough rope to, before you hang them. I think Lenin in One Step Forward, Two Steps Back said all these social democrats and so on we allow them their time. We allow them the time on the stage to weaken the right, to weaken religious beliefs to open the way for us. And when we’re there, then we hang them, we hang them, and we enjoy it because they are worse than the Bourgeoisie! Because they are traitors to the class in history, and we will deal with them with an utter ruthlessness that we won’t even treat reactionaries with.

That’s the real Leninism talking, but Adorno doesn’t like that sort of talk at all, because although he’s not a humanist he does believe in the Alsatia of forgotten possibilities. Don’t forget, for a Western Marxist — and this theory’s called Western Marxism or Euro-communism as it became — the Soviet experience has been a disaster.

>>132976128

Communists are delusional

Liberals are autistic

Communism is the ideology of the hard working and the oppressed. Liberals are none of those two things. Real valuable and honorable men embrace communism as a way of life. It's much more than just politics for us. From what I understand the ideology to be, real communism has to be authoritarian to possibly be applied to real scenarios, as history shows us. Some people need to be under the rule of others in an egalitarian society for everything to function smoothly. North Korea and Stalin's Russia were two good examples.

>>132976987
You maybe. But there are brainwashed out there. This thread is for them

I don't think commie are liberal, I just think they're deserve to be thrown from helicopter.

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>>132976842
I feel like you're talking about me when I see this image? Is it also the Chomsky-ites or do they get a pass?

>>132977063
Hello based leftypol bookworm

>>132976990
Fake media propaganda it is. Not me.

>>132977150
Not before I throw you beneath the treads of my T-34, anarcho-liberal.

>>132977192
Bowden was not a lefty

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Marx named the jew before Hitler

I see some sane people here

liberalism and comunism both believe in the destruction of the family unit and the nation state
they go hand in hand

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>>132977360

Most of the autistic Americans have been put to bed at this point and the retarded summerfag Europeans are still watching their Sunday morning cartoons. The shitposting Aussies are getting pissed after a barbie.

This point of the day is like the twilight hour when /pol/ isn't a screeching autists zone.

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There was a theorist called Gramsci at the beginning of the 20th century who was in the Italian Communist Party ranks who split the idea of the superstructure–culture, society, the arts, intellect, media–from the base; economics. Then Marxism can go completely cultural and just swim around. Not linked to proletarian movements, not linked to trade union politics, not linked to working class political struggle as defined by the far left.

Marx was quite funny about the working class actually because he said, “When I meet these German trade unionists, I like them less,” he said because they were stroppy individuals who’d contradict “Professor” Marx! as he insisted on being called. Don’t forget he was giving the proles their theory. The structural relationship between the intellectual master and the working class followers was quite apparent.

And Marx fancied himself as a politician not just a theorist because he founded a group called the International Working Men’s Association which is the 1st International. Communists talk about “Internationals”: first, second, third, fourth. The Trotskyist one’s the 4th, tiny little Trotskyist “four men in a kiosk” groups who’d “struggle” about which one represented the 4th International which was out in Mexico.

But of course a Stalinist agent killed Trotsky by penetrating his brain with an ice pick through the skull. Luis Mercador I think his name was, and he crept into his study and stabbed him through the skull. Anarchists to this day wear tee shirts saying “ICE-PICK A TROT!” because you know anarchists just love being offensive to everyone, even on their own side. And as the spike penetrated his brain, Trotsky’s last words were his hysterical Ashkenazic shriek in which he said, “You’ve been sent by him, him!, HIM!” (namely Stalin). And he had! And he had! He went out in the light and in the dark one could say.

>>132976128
I come from Soviet Russia, people don't understand that their leftie commies are nothing but degenerate mental prostitutes.

>>132977977
leftie commies refering to the pederasts in the west who support pedophillia and degeneracies.

>>132976128
liberals have been calling anything slightly conservative "fascist" and "nazi" for ages, now people call liberals "Commie" and "Marxist" they hate it

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>>132977621
i think not my spaghetti making friendo

First off, modern, especially burger, liberals have nothing in common with classic liberalism. Second they are just socialists, and socialism is the pimped out younger sister of communism

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>>132978211

O..oh.

>>132977643
>Gramsci
biggest hack in history

>>132976128
Liberalism is soft-communism, Nikita.

>>132977643
>Luis Mercador
Ramón Mercader

>>132977340
Wait, was marx a self hating jew?

>>132978730
no such thing as a non self hating jew

>>132978874
So then who are the 1% jewish banking globalists fighting for?

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The liberals are still here. They've either like me and being stubborn about their beliefs or they've adopted Classical liberalism as a label to distance themselves from mainstream liberalism. The truth is, liberalism in itself has always stayed the same. It's just mainstream opinion has shifted from moderate voices to this weird progressive/corporatist mix that call themselves "liberal". But it's just mostly corporatism really. It's the cancer that's destroying politics, left and right.

>>132978431
>>132978248
>>132977523
>>132976500
>>132976276
>>132976267

Please note that we hate liberals more than 90% of /pol/ does, they are our default enemies

We really don't care are you nazi, liberal, whatever, as long as you support free market you're good as dead to us, and that goes to all liberals out there.
Those who seek the socialist revolution but larp as communists/socialist only because they like the lazy free gibs but still support free market will be the first to be hanged
Don't forget that communism is an economic theory first and than a social one

>>132977523
Nation state is a liberal idea originally

>>132979134
So you will kill people just because they want to buy items they want for personal use?

>>132979134
nazis do not believe in surplus "theft"
you dont even know your own shit

>>132979025
money and kid orgies

>>132979186
why cause only monarchy and empires are non liberal to you?

>>132979134
>99% of the world is dead to us
lol

>>132977643
>Gramsci at the beginning of the 20th century who was in the Italian Communist Party ranks who split the idea of the superstructure–culture, society, the arts, intellect, media–from the base; economics.
I thought Marx himself made that distinction, no?

That's the basis of Marxism.
That the Economic base of a society (Feudalism/Capitalism/Communism) determines entirely the superstructure. That everything in society, including power, is reducible to economics and this is the reason why wealth must be redistributed.
I actually don't think this is 100& wrong, changing the economic system will necessarily change art, culture politics, etc.
Problem is that we've now seen the resultant superstructure when the economic base is made a communist one, and it isn't quite as Marxists predicted it would be.

>>132976276

Americans need a reeducation badly.

>>132976128
communists are liberals because liberals is a misnomer

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>>132976942
Good stuff.

Why aren't commies in every sense of the word modern liberals?

>>132977105
>Some people need to be under the rule of others in an egalitarian society for everything to function smoothly
Wew lad

The thing is that deep state, kremlin and pretty much every other autority want more power. And in the age of open knowledge, open-souce distributed crypto-money, 3D-printed guns and private companies building space ships - they are sweating. Coersing the word is one tactic. Students now thinkin they are on the good side when, really they was brainwashed into sone weird breed of fucking communism.
I see people here, reddit and twitter use the word "liberal" in regards to commies which makes me sad, anon

Request new meme jihad against mainstream media

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>>132976128
Hey rusbro.

Can we send all these wannabe commies in this thread to uranium mines? Like in good old times.

>>132979134
Super anti-commie here.

Will you commies stamp out feminism, BLM and progressivism? If so, you're better than tradcons.

>>132980258
This is what Stalin pretty much did

>>132980288
/leftypol/ doesn't care for any of those things.

>>132979693
It was beneficial to merchants/capitalists and created the concept of private 'citizens'. That said nations can be OK.

Does anyone actually believe that Communists are liberals?

I'm pretty sure Liberals would be the first to die in a Communist revolution given that they are the strongest defenders of the bourgeoisie.(According to Communists themselves).

bump to the moon. stop the zombie apocalypse

>>132976128
Liberals are useful idiots, tools used to accomplish communist agenda. They aren't the same, but in the end they work toward one goal.
A one world government,
One world religion,
One world currency.
One world where we are all slaves or dead.

How can communists be liberals lmao
>inb4 "muh cultural marxism"

>>132981490
Look through the thread.

There's also the belief, even on /pol/, that socialism/communism merely means "more government".

You'd think a board of people interested in politics would know the definitions of the most prominent political theories of modern times.

>>132976842
>stinking nazis instead of glorious fascists
why you do this fellow socialist

>>132981718
Other way round

>>132981794
Sorry,
*dead or slaves.

>>132980288
>feminism, BLM and progressivism

Actual commies regard these as cancer

>>132981762
>socialism/communism merely means "more government".

I'll never be able to take you people seriously.

>>132981762
fuck off /leftypol/

>>132981762
Well socialism definitely means "more government".

Communism on the other hand is a mythical utopia where there exists no governments, no social class, and no money.

Only one of them is actually real.

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>>132979127
Sane bros are here

>>132981794
I mean, communists are often tools for liberals. It doesnt really matter who it is but elites arent communists (they do not believe labour theory of value and they want a market economy)

>>132976841

>Rodzaevsky actually supported Stalin before Gulag

>>132976128
>Hey stupid nazi's, you know /leftypol/ are communists and not liberals right?
>you liberals and communists are not the same right?
>We are not libersls right?
>right?
>plz dont call us liberals, we are cooler than them

Tell you the truth, you often suck up to liberal values and commies are even more repulsing than liberals

>>132981718
Aren't those called globalists?
One form of globalism I can think might work is totally transparent one. Where all data is visible by every one without exceptions. Would be nice to have some advanced politics simulator to test this

communists are far left
liberals are more right wing... libertarian like.

>>132976267
TPBP

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>>132983038
You know what they're called.

Modern day progressives are essentially communist, but communist cavemen. They fully back the failed economic system, but, also reject the normal social order, which has been refined over thousands of years of history.

>>132976128
And stop lumping us in with kekistanies if you want me to stop calling you liberal.

>>132981961
You won't until you start reading books rather than getting the summary of your political and philosophical knowledge from /pol/ and talk radio

>>132983333
Agree

>>132984179
Never even mentioned them

>>132984560
A ONE WORLD SOCIALIST GOBERMENT WILL DISOLVE ITSELF ONCE WE ACHIEVE GLOBAL COMUNISM
TRUST ME

>>132984789
/leftypol/ always does this.

>>132984930
I am not a communist

>>132979134
Communism is a failed theory first.

>>132986553
My frustration is just that people are using the word "liberal" when talking about antifa/communists/globalists.
Just by the usage of the word in the wrong context I can tell that the source have no idea what he talking about or implicitly trying to subvert actual based liberalism. Too many, I noticed, can't differentiate

>>132979385
>telling someone he doesn't know shit when you don't know shit

This is some next level autism

>>132980288
>feminism, BLM and progressivism
who cares, irrelevant larp movements

Hey commies where do you guys stand on these issues that these people make a big deal about like
everything is relative, there is no objective truth
no such thing as gender and let's screw up language's grammar because of these identity issues
and all that stuff about privileged hierarchy, like if you are a white male your lower than ... and so on,. and the oppression olympics where people are trying to compete arguing how their class is more oppressed than others.

>>132987923
commies support that to break the current society to then invade and make their own

>>132979134
how can you have an economic policy based around the illegality of ownership?

>>132976128
>this thread sponsored by r/neoliberal

i'm ok with this, exposing your bullshit to any open scrutiny will just hasten your inevitable decline

>>132976128
They are. Apart from original bolsheviks, who were purged by Stalin, soviets weren't actual communists.
Look at modern American commies, they are following original Marxist ideas. And they are complete deranged libshit scum.

>>132982062
?