What's /pol/ opinion on the Charlie Gard case. For people

>>132964768

Makes no sense.

Parents choice if they want to pull the plug or not.

They raised enough money for private funding.

Even if they don't save the kid, the attempt will be a step forward in research. Medicine's History is filled with crazy motherfuckers who said fuck you to the majority and did great things.

Just another example of how Socialism works... for the elite anyway. Why anyone would sign away their own rights to life to some corporate board who decides who lives and dies is beyond me.

I love when government tells people when to die. This is my dream future for all countries.

SOCIAL JUSTICE NOW

>>132965073
You just don't understand. His parents could raise large sums of money to send the child out of country for experimental treatment, but not everyone can. It would be unfair for that child to receive a treatment others cannot.

Moreover, it doesn't make sense to waste money on someone who is probably just going to die in a few months. Government has a responsibility to prevent people from making this mistake.

>>132964768
Cure him so the tax payer can fund a retard baby for his whole life.

>>132965574
It's not a "corporate board" you Papist scum. It's state employees. They're making the right decision for the good of the collective.

>>132964768
There is no long-term treatment. The child will not survive

>>132964768
THERES NO CONSPIRACY AND NO SUCH THING AS DEATH PANELS YOU RACIST ANTISEMITE

DELET THIS NOW

Why do we have to wait for the USA to step in to save a sick kid.
This happens over and over.
Uk is becoming so 3rd world we cant help ouselves any longer?

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Some creatures are not meant to survive.

>>132965948
>collective
No such thing exists.

Time to pull the plug.

Sounds like even with the treatment, the kid's quality of life would still be shit?

I could understand the government's argument if they didn't want to have the state pay some exorbitant amount for treatment. But if the parents raised the money through charity, I don't really see how the gov has any right to tell them they can't pursue the treatment on their own.

That said, babies are "cheap" and doesn't make much sense to me to spend millions just so a kid can spend the rest of their probably short life in discomfort and pain. Seems like the best thing for everyone would be to just cut your losses and start over.

>>132964768
>Trump,Farage and the pope have all offered to help the baby.

Last one is a trap.

>>132965948

Please kys

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>>132965771

Are you implying that we should have death equality?

>>132966005
The USA isn't "[stepping] in to save a sick kid". Corporate hospitals are seeking to exploit people for their money for what they know is a hopeless cause. The UK is doing the right thing to keep that money out of the hands of profiteers.

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>>132964768
The baby is a potato.

>>132966091
>I don't really see how the gov has any right to tell them they can't pursue the treatment on their own

Socialist, aka future communism, medicine cannot exist if there is competition, since it shows how incredibly poor the quality of care is.

Europoors will never admit it, but the quality of care and the speed of care in the US is just massively superior to that of Canacucks and Eurocucks

>>132965771
What's unfair is that they have the ability to save their baby and the gov wont let them for no reason.

>>132966005

Because it won't save the kid, he has brain damage that is not reversible, he has missed out on crucial development steps.

The argument from the GOSH staff is that it isn't ethical to prolong his life for a treatment that ultimately won't improve his function.

>>132966149
It is though, every year there's a sick kid whose family is trying to get them to the states for a remedy that we wont do here for them.
We instead spend our money on free nhs for illegal people

>>132964768
>mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome
Yeah this doesn't seem even remotely survivable but it varies dramatically from case to case depending on the exact mutation. Politics aside, the ethical thing is to not make the kid suffer anymore than he has.

>>132964768
BUMP

>>132966345
The NHS is a step in the right direction and no person is illegal.

>>132964768
I hope Charlie can be saved.

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Something should be said for Ben Shapiro capitalizing on a vegetative baby to further his moral arguments when its convent for him.

>>132965771

>Moreover, it doesn't make sense to waste money on someone who is probably just going to die in a few months.

Bullshit, those are the best people to try experimental life-saving treatment because they have nothing to lose and it makes sure there death isn't in vain.

For example, http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/human-head-transplant/

>>132965771
>Government has the ability to hold the parents' hands and tell them how to spend their money

>>132964768
Make more and let the kid die. You should always make spares. At least four kids, so that if one dies, burns coal or needs to be gotten rid of, you can shrug it off.

It is scientifically important to allow the parents to try this.

The treatment they want to send their baby for is experimental. A human clinical trial will present significant data opportunities otherwise less available - if it fails, then scientists/doctors try to figure out what went wrong and work on a better procedure for the next case - if it succeeds then we have a major medicinal advancement. Ruling out the ability to attempt the treatment on the grounds that it bears a high likelihood of failure negates any prospect of potential progress.

Guinea pigs are necessary for advancement.

>>132966469

their*

It reminds me of the episode of South Park where Kenny gets hit by a bus and turns into a Vegetable. Cartman wants to pull the plug so he can get Kenny's PSP and Stan and Kyle want to keep him alive because he's their friend.

Cartman (EU) is right for the wrong reason, the conservatives and The Pope are wrong but for the right reason. Just let the kid die in peace. It's going to be a miserable existence and the condition already attacked his brain.

>>132966264
If it works the government will have to supply future treatments of the disease. This is another reason why socialized healthcare will prevent development of treatments to cut costs.

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>>132965771

>>132965771
>Government has a responsibility to prevent people from living
>communist flag

really toasts my toast..

>>132966406
All them fuckin african boat cunts are.
no passport no papers= illegal

>>132966477
It's not "their money". Those resources belongs to the community. It is bad governance to let community resources be wasted.

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>>132965959
This.
The government is just trying to prevent cash from flowing out of the country in the pockets of snake oil sellers.

>>132965771


>>132966146
>>132966264
>>132966469
>>132966477
>>132966544

You all are fucking retarded, that post was clearly satirical.

>By the time they had gathered the money, it was too late for a cure.
>Even with the cure, best case scenario was surviving as a potato.
>the money they had gathered wouldn't even have covered the plane ticket because of the amount of equipment needed to keep him 'alive'.

It's a non-issue. Just make an other one and hope it's not defective.

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Survival of the fittest.

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>>132965771
It's unfair because it's cruel to keep the child alive and in agonizing pain with no quality of life. MDDS can cause seizures and liver failure. Every cell in his body is dysfunctional, like the guy from the Tokaimura Accident who got 17 sieverts.

>>132966149
>exploit
>via a voluntary agreement
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Voluntary actions are opressive.

>>132964768
>offered to help
There is no helping it. There is no chance of it surviving. There's nothing noble in keeping something barely alive just because you can.

>>132964768
Don't give a shit faggot. My mom was bitching about this shit but who cares really the kid was probably veggy anyway wasting resources but then again niggers are wasting resources so whatever they probably voted the people in anyway so who gives a shit.

>>132964768

If the parents are paying for the care of the kid out of pocket, then who are they to slam the door shut on the possibility of life to them? The government should refuse to pay but they shouldn't prevent the parents from doing what they want to keep their own kid alive. Literal abuse.

European courts will bend fucking backwards to save non-white, non-European kids but will literally stomp on white families.

>>132964768

In America, we recognize the parents complete control over their child - not the government's.

Yuropoors and their Culture of Death can't and will not understand this.

All the leaders of Europe don't have children. That says it all. Europe is the Great Satan.

>>132967123
whats up lebbit.

>>132967234

>Everything I don't like is Lebbet: The last refuge of the retard.

SAGED

>>132966999

This is where things get muddy.

Up until now, the kid has been cared for by the NHS (Great Ormond Street Hospital, aka the best damn paedriatric hospital we have in the entire damned country).

The parents have raised money via crowd-sourcing to take the child to America, to receive a treatment which they hope will cure their child.

The doctors at the hospital have reviewed every scrap of (limited) evidence there is about this treatment, and their considered opinion is that there is no chance in hell of it giving the child anywhere near a good life. They are of the medical opinion that the child is suffering (the condition has effectively locked the child in their own body, without the ability to cry, see, or otherwise respond to external stimuli), and further treatment would cause even greater discomfort, hence their request to be allowed to switch off the life support machines.

The parents, of course, are right to challenge this. No-one can take that right away.

>technocratland want to leave baby's fate in G*d's hands
>Jesusland want to say FUCK YOU to nature and advance science

Up is down.

>>132966881
No such thing as freedom. Jews import niggers, promote how they are great, people breed with niggers. Communists close borders, promote how native people are great, people breed with native people. Country implements religion, promotes religion, people are of that religion. Country doesn't promotes religion, doesn't builds mosques, people aren't Muslims. Very simple. You are what you learn, they tell you what language to learn, they tell you how math works. There is no freedom. Question is only if your rules are decided by own land produce people or foreigners.

>>132967442

There's nothing muddy about it. The parents have 100% control. Just like how the patient has 100% control over themselves. They can refuse life saving treatment if they want because it's their decision. Europeans are fucking cucks.

>tv licenses

>>132964768

They are behaving like typical Americans which is why they seemingly have so much support there

Doctors say the baby has 'catastrophic irreversible brain damage' the parents don't believe this. They think with the treatment he has a chance to be a normal health boy.

The doctors say he is quite likely in significant pain due to all the tubes and the seizures he keeps having (which nobody can detect without brain scans because he can't physically respond)
Again the parents say the opposite, no pain at all, they know best!

Countless doctors have said that the brain damage means even if he gets that 0.0001% chance of a meaningful recovery his quality of life will be awful. Tubes in his throat and belly for life, not able to speak, see, hear or walk

At this stage the parents are bordering on child abuse. People seem to forget that parents do not own their children, they cannot just do whatever they please, for better or worse. That's why we have courts who will assess things from the child's perspective.

It may be the American way to want to subject an 11month old to highly experimental treatment with the only outcome of prolonging his suffering but
It's legally and morally wrong imho

>>132967746
Let's just stop trying to further medicine at all. Why bother trying to help anyone that's sick?

>>132965821
The family has the money to pay for the treatment themselves, but they won't let them do it.

>>132967823


>t. my tummy feeling is always also my argument deal with it.

The doctors said that their highly experimental cure wouldn't work even past the most initial stages of the disease, and the poor child was in the terminal stage when they started gathering the money.

this guy has it basically

>>132967746

The parents caught the "American TV struggle" syndrome and should've ended his suffering long ago.

>>132967746
This.

Hilarious how they're so up in arms about "muh parents choice" but at the same time they probably want to ban circumcision.
Also what about the doctors choice? This is one of the best children's hospitals in the world, and it's top doctors are being forced against their will to continue providing treatment when they clearly believe that doing so is violating their Hippocratic oath.

>>132964768
don't forget they raised like $1.6 million to cover all expenses before the court decided to kill their child.

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>>132967823
>forced medical experimentation is fine just as long as it's not on me

>>132968072
>>132968090

Still not an excuse to slam the door shut on them. Not surprised that all Euros are government bootlickers that let the government decide who lives and dies and when.

>>132968072
How it normally works is doctors getting fame by treating a child, but then what they don't tell you in news is that child dies later on.

Fucking put him down it's over he's already dead just fucking stop the NHS is already collapsing and the child's not getting anything in life he's in great Ormond for ffs the best hospital in the United fucking kingdom and there's no hope just give up have some more kids

>>132965574
What's with the namefag?

>>132966871
UNCOMMON

>>132968401
>implying Americans don't eat McDonald's, pray to Jesus and make wars for Jews like government wants. Then they also import Mexicans and you start eating their food and breed with them to extinction. USA licks government aka private billionaire's butthole more cleaner than any European could manage. When they decide they going to take away all your water and sell it to you in bottles you just line up and clap.

Remember Aysha king??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashya_King_case
Dont trusr doctors in everything

>>132966406
But apparently the possibility of an innocent child's survival is illegal.

>>132965574
>everything government decides is Socialism retard
I guess you don't mind when they decide to put GMO fruit in all your supermarkets or decide to raise your taxes or lower corporate taxes, then it's not Socialism in your dumb dumb head.

I'm sure all the haters would have been so sure to let the one girl to survive rabies die without so much as lifting a finger because it's borderline "child abuse" .... ffs. Let the American doctors take a look, best in the world my dudes. Also parents rights you nazis, our kids don't belong to the state fuckheads...

>>132968621

Aww, is the little Eurocuck butt hurt that I proved that he sucks government cock?

There is no argument you can make that can logically defend the courts decision. The parents are paying for the cost, the treatment might save the kids life, the court is literally holding the child down and preventing them from trying.

Your courts and government will literally go and pick up Africans and Arabs in their own countries to "save their lives" but then will kill white families. And you defend them.

>>132966544
pretty rare flag tbqh

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>>132968726
>American doctors
American doctors produce 115 thousand deaths per year by errors(picture related). Not to mention you are all fat. American doctors are poor quality.

>>132968806
I don't like my government, since it's capitalistic. A question, why doesn't American doctor go to UK? EU got all the gear necessary, especially UK.

Every death by experimental medicine is valuable info for the future. Without data we are clueless about solving any medical issue.

Long time ago doctors experimented all themselves to prove or disprove their approach. Nowadays everybody is a pussy and will rather waste 1 billion and 10 years of testing.

If it would ever happen to me that bureaucrats would prevent me from accessing an experimental therapy (that I can access) for any possible future lethal ailment (I already have one unfortunately - life expectancy cut short by a median of 20 years already) I would take down violently with me every bearer of signature on my death sentence.

>>132964768
let whitey baby die, give the mum to a syrian refugee to create a proper baby and not a white devil

>>132969102
Why doesn't pope just use his magical god-given powers to heal the baby? Not working now?

>>132965073
Very well said. Agreed. Additionally that kid is in pain theres no question, his parents are blinded by thier selfish personal desires. Sucks for the kid but greater good.

>>132967554
>There's nothing muddy about it. The parents have 100% control. Just like how the patient has 100% control over themselves. They can refuse life saving treatment if they want because it's their decision. Europeans are fucking cucks.
Literally American logic.
Parents do not own their kids.
The State has the duty to protect the kid's quality of life despite his parents' whims.

>>132964768

I literally don't trust the NHS when they say there's no hope in saving the kid, I remember a case a few years ago where some little boy had a brain tumor and his parents wanted to take him to get some new therapy in Spain where they inject something directly into his brain but since it's too expensive and specialized to be available on the NHS the NHS declare it a hopeless pseudo-science procedure and it's in the child's best interest to let him die peacefully and the parents aren't allowed to take him out the hospital, then what the parents do is illegally take the kid out the hospital anyway, go to Spain and get the treatment done and guess what it cured the kid and he's fine now and they didn't prosecute the parents since no one would want them convicted

>>132969331
>quality of life

The parents want to try to save the kid. The state wants the kid to die. There isn't an argument. And if what the doctors say is true, then the kid is already gone and it wouldn't hurt to try and would provide medical and scientific benefit in trying to treat him. Why would you prevent it? It pleases no one. I can't understand how a court and government that defends and promotes abortion can prevent these parents from trying to make their own decision and save their son.

>>132969331
>Parents do not own their kids.
>The State has the duty to protect the kid's quality of life despite his parents' whims.
This is your brain on Socialism.

>>132969331
If they really wanted they could transport the baby illegally, it's not like it's hard to cross EU border, there is no border. If American doctor was sure he could help he could also go to UK and help. American doctor isn't sure. Question is if there even is such American doctor or they already know and just make political circus relating to America is great and anti-abortion.

>>132969442

Unfortunately, the NHS is bound by the rules the politicians give it. Treatments have to be approved by NICE, etc etc. If they don't, they open themselves up to lawsuits and all manner of other trouble.

Somewhat similar to how in the US if your insurance doesn't allow a certain treatment, you are out of luck.

>>132967746
This.
Experimental cure is just snake oil.
They cannot even keep alive somebody early in the disease's stages... Let alone someone at terminal stage.

>>132969565
>>132969331
btw I do think the kid should be put down, but the parents shouldn't be prevented from wasting their money overseas if that's what they want to do.

>>132967919
There is no treatment with no positive exitus. Even the creators of the treatment admit it.

>>132969657
>you are out of luck.

You aren't out of luck, you just have to pay the full cost yourself, which is why people go into massive debt over medical bills.

It's literally illegal to deny a patient life saving medical treatment due to lack of insurance coverage or failure to pay. The cost will be eaten by the taxpayers and the patient will be hounded to pay the cost.

>>132965771
Its their money, Its not about fair its about if you can afford it.

>>132964768
YOU TOLD US YOUR HEALTHCARE WAS THE BEST ON EARTH YOU EUROTRASH KEKS!
*liars!*

>>132969702
>parents shouldn't be prevented from wasting their money overseas if that's what they want to do.
I only agree with this if government should test those experimental drugs and determine they work. If no such test exists then they should be prevented from wasting money. If you want freedom and total freedom you should also test the shit you sell.

>>132968650
Ashya King was a Jew, different case

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>>132964768

Child isn't viable and they should cut their losses and have another by next year.

That said they should be able to do w/e the fuck they want with their child if it's privately funded.

>>132964768
oh a white baby? keep it alive with tubes. this is what schlomo is telling us. sage you subhuman scum

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What enrages me the most is Catholic cucks in Italy shilling for "much science will let him live".

>>132969966
Your thinking process is very retarded. How about i am a mass murdering pedophile and say i help children? Should parents then allowed to waste money on me? Anarcho capitalists have no quality control, instead of treatment you then create crime aka murder. A doctor who pretends to know the cure and treats a child who dies is a murderer.

>>132969833
Wrong. Because this is not the same as buying white goods from a retailer.
There are somebody's rights depending on it.

Funny thread because not a single source has been posted
Faggots :^)

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>Nips keep nuclear technician with severe DNA damage alive, conscious, for months as his organs slowly liquefy so they can see what happens.
>/pol/: oh my god how inhuman, asians are so soulless

>parents want to keep baby with severe DNA damage alive for an extra few months because muh feels
>/pol/: well, it's their baby. The state is bad for wanting to give the kid a merciful death

Incidentally, since some of you morons seem to be unclear on this point: the decision to let the baby die had nothing to do with the NHS, or financial considerations on the part of the government. The courts decided based on the child's welfare, just like they do in any case where parents are accused of abusing a child.

>>132969442
This is the danger of socialized systems; they can be abused beyond what you would normally think. They give undue sway over the general populaces lives to whoever happens to be running things at the time.

>>132970135
And anyway the doctors who conceived the treatment agree the kid's broken beyond repair. They know treatment never worked and doesn't work atm.

>>132970259
Btw pic is not him
He didn't lose a foot in the process

>>132968650

>A 2015 report stated that King's parents' decision to deny their child chemotherapy had reduced his chances of survival by 30 percent

Completely different case
This was a disagreement over the best course of treatment after he had a tumour removed to prevent the cancer returning.

The fact that the alternative treatment worked doesn't mean the UK treatment would have failed

>>132970332
The most important point in this case is only one: did they shittest that treatment or not? Government should test it, not some private institutions who work for doctor snake oils salesman himself. If they have proof it works then ok, lets ship the baby to 'Merica, if no proof exists, which experimental probably means, then you will get a doctor pretending it works for a week, then child will die and doctor will say that experiment has failed. Crucial to this case is proof those experimental drugs have any value whatsoever.

>>132964768
A huge fucking waste of time and money, and that's without considering all the unnecessary suffering. Just make another baby's for fuck sake, it's way too young to be worth all this trouble... To think that just a century ago barely half of all infants reached their 1st birthday, yet no one batted an eye.

>>132964768
look like (((((americans))))) are trying to cash in on absoluetely desperate parents by pretending they can heal their incurably son.

God, its so good to know americans are in decline and EU will lead the world now. You guys make me sick.

>>132970534
Agreed
The entire American economic system allows for scammers to thrive.

>>132965073
>Parents choice if they want to pull the plug or not.

This pretty much. As i understand they're rich as fuck, but as i also understand mitochondrial DNA problems are like, Literally everything in your body is fucked on a structural level and there's 0 hope. But hey, ain't my call to make.

On one hand it's none of the government's fucking business, and research could lead to an end of such future cases.

On the other hand, this is some "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" level shit.

Kill it and make a new one.

>>132965771
I know that this is satire, but at the same time I know people that actually think this way.

>>132965771
Flag checks out.

>>132970534

This
$1.3m for a round of oral medication which when tested on mice gave a 4% increase in life expectancy
Only one winner in this situation

>>132970943
Scammers many times claim that their experimental drug didn't work this time or they take credit for immune system healing the body, those are then their success rates. You have certain cancers that go away on their own and doctors take credit for healing it. Most popular is common cold, which is a virus and they sell antibiotics which heals bacteria, they sell that even during television ads, but every time your immune system heals your common cold. Doctor says "you take this for 2 weeks", which is the time needed for your immune system to heal it without any medication.

>>132964768
They need to let him go and get over it. They could be trying again for a healthy child but because they use their hearts over their heads, they will probablly be mourning this baby for 2 decades.

>>132964768
Simple, it their kid. Let the parents do what they want. The government shouldn't be able to decide life and death. They don't own us. Looks like the baby doesn't have much of a chance anyway. The whole thing is sad.

>>132964768
For heaven's sake, this child is unfit to survive, let nature take its course. Only the strong and healthy shall live, the weak and ill must die. Just try again and make a new baby.

>>132969331
This. Amerifats please go. The child has literally zero chance of living any form of fulfilling life. It will literally be a potato even if the treatment works, as all of the brain damage has already been done. It's tragic but the medical institute must be have the power to stop hysterical parents prolonging suffering due to emotional irrationality. You americucks have no idea the level of scrutiny and checks the doctors and lawyers have to go to in order to actually state that life support can be pulled. It's the right decision no matter how you look at it.

>>132967919
>the treatment will work
>it wont still be a retard baby
>the crowd funded money won't run out and the taxpayer will have to pay to keep it alive

>>132969833
Its crowd funded money and it will run out. Even if a treatment by some miracle does do something, it will still need intensive treatment and care for the rest of its life and that will have to be funded by the taxpayer since the parents will never be able to afford it on their own.

>>132966357
the ethical thing would be let the parents decide but what should I expect from a nigger in Barbados

>>132976780
>children are literally their parents property

>>132976780

>Child abuse is fine if you are the parent

>>132977022
>children are literally the property of the State

That's a European education for you.

>>132969442
>What is grammar and punctuation.

>>132971320
Treatments for things like common cold are purely symptom management, they're literally just to relieve symptoms while your immune system resolves the issue. Don't be a dumbass.

It the one thing the UK is doing right

>UK death panel

Yet another reason for me to hate bongs.

Seriously, damn you slag-looking inbred faggots.

>>132977022
Behaviour is 100% genetic.
Parents mistreating their childre or even better killing them is a good thing, since it raises the chances of their inferior bloodline being extinguished.

Children being the property of their parents results in K-selection.
Children being the property of the ZOG results in r-selection.

>>132966264
Nothing to do with the govt. The doctors said no. They wanted to manage his end of life care. Parents wanted to be celebs. Went to court. Court found for doctors. Nothing to do with NHS.

>>132977022
>children are literally their parents property
>"Nay, children should be property of the Government and Government only!"

This is why the UK is not a free country.

>>132969331
>Parents own kids
>From country where kids divorce their parents

Burgers can't into family so shouldn't be listened to on this.

>Family whored themselves for.media and charity
>Therefore they must have the kid's best interests at heart

Meet the McCanns

>>132969492
>it wouldn't hurt to try and would provide medical and scientific benefit
It would hurt to try, and the kid shouldn't be used as a guinea pig against his wishes.
This is why judges and doctors act on behalf of minors

>>132977573
*tips style guide*

>US Congress want to illegally export a terminal baby from the UK to experiment on

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/09/us-residency-for-charlie-gard-to-be-proposed-by-congressmen

Explain this burgers

>>132981301
Please archive or screenshot
https://archive.is/3xi3Q

>>132970259
There is a key concept here: Choice.

Dying with dignity? Well, if you're swayed over "I don't want to be a burden" and commit cowardly suicide, it is fine if it is YOUR choice, however peer-pressured it was.

It's an entirelly different thing for someone else to force that choice on you.

The Japanese example? The doctors lingered DESPITE protests by the patient.

This one? The parents are willing to keep trying, but the NHS is forcing the choice on them anyhow. Which says something scary on the hospital's ability to put you in the death list without so much aprotest.

Tell me, what happens if a flunked out student erroneously exagerates your condition, and writes it off as unsalvageable? What happens if they are simply low on resources, and eney-miney moo'd the ugliest son of a bitch they won't bother treating?

Haven't heard the tales of doctors sniffing on drugs backdoor, or downright admitting that some people could have been saved, but let die because they were overworked and signed the wrong form.

>>132966007
Fuck you, leave bub alone.

>>132967746
This anon gets it

Kid's already dead in any true sense of the word. He's deaf, blind, has such severe structural brain damage that he will never be able to function even at a very basic level and cannot even breathe without a machine.

He's already dead and they can't bring him back. They have to accept that.

>>132981301
Charlie Tard must be will be great for our in vitro studies, goy.

>>132964768
>>132964768

This is nothing to do with race.

This is a child that is only the 16th known in the world with the condition. There is no prospect of recovery.

There are two options:

1. Human guinea pig so that research can be performed

2. Remove life support and allow nature to take its course.

And dying with dignity isn't a thing.

>>132967746

"Tubes in his throat and belly for life, not able to speak, see, hear or walk"

>DARKNESS IMPRISONING ME
>ALL THAT I SEE
>ABSOLUTE HORROR
>I CANNOT LIVE
>I CANNOT DIE
>BODY MY HOLDING CELL

>>132981460

There is no life. It is literally a pair of lungs on a respirator. There is nothing to save.

>>132964768
If that kid were an adult and if his brain wasn't completely destroyed he'd beg the doctors to let him die... sure, his parents have the right to try everything they can but someone should tell them how retarded they are

>>132964768
If this disease is genetical there's no point in saving him

>>132964768
Guess those death panels don't like approving care for white kids!

Bongers are scared that their shit hole medical system will be exposed if they let a kid they cant save be saved by colonist hospitals

Its really that simple, the NHS is a fucking sham and a nightmare

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>>132964768
The other kid who survived the American treatment now has an unacceptable quality of life.
Charlie deserves to die and its suffering to be ended.

If I end up in that situation, please put me down, /pol/.

>>132965771
>It would be unfair for that child to receive a treatment others cannot.
no it would not, this isn't a zero sum game

Murricans are just selling hope, hope that they know won't work, even the parents know its not going to work as the treatment would only prolong the life of the little lifeless husk.
Its a waste of time, energy and resources.
From an utilitarian perspective its not worth it if there is no chance the baby would have at least a chance to see the world.
Its useless.

>>132983953
So retarded kids and autistic kids should be put down also? I mean they are a drain on society. AMIRITE!!!

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>>132984183
Are you implying they shouldn't ?

>>132970259
WTF is this? sauce?

>>132983953

>keeping him alive through gorillions of machines is not playing god
>but letting him die as he would have already without modern science is

Fuck, just accept it. Your child is dead. Stop prolonging its suffering, let it die with dignity and make a new one. I hate this perverse virtue signalling so much, like those morons keeping their anencepahic turds as literal human pets.

>>132965771
> nigger logic

>>132984183

This happens already in some respects with test in the early stages of pregnancy for downs syndrome.

You telling me that if your were told after 8 weeks of pregnancy that your kid would likely come out with severe retardation that you wouldn't terminate?

>>132984313
Yes. aren't those libtards worried about over population and losing resources or some shit. muh global warmings!!

>>132984412

He was exposed to a massive dose of ionising radiation in an accident involving a vat of nuclear material at a power plant in Japan.

Doctors say he died in tremendous agony and would have been screaming non-stop for days, if he were able.

>>132984012
I get where all these people are coming from, but the reality is that treatments and cures come from trial and error on actual subjects.

This cure might leave Gard retarded or not help at all. But it's one more step toward developing future medicine.

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>>132970259
While in both case i welcome the gathering of data, it's not equivalent :
-radiation damage is potentially widespread and can target the whole population.
-the guy clearly said he wanted to die.
-there was no data that extensive before him while there's precedents with the kid

Making Ouchi-san suffer was MUCH MORE scientifically useful than letting the kid suffer.
We should still make the kid suffer though, of course.

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>>132984183
> they are a drain on society
I never even implied that.
They have to be put down to end their suffering, not because of resources being spent. I put down my dog when he was beyond recovery, I would put down my child as well out of piety. Did you watch the movie in pic related?

If I end up retarded or lobotomized, I would like to be put down as well, please

>>132966431
He literally always fights for kids to live, what are you talking about?

>>132967746
This. The parents are as loopy as the average American and are deluded into thinking what they are doing is right. They are thinking of themselves and the fame and money not of the child's suffering.

>>132965771
>it doesn't make sense to waste money on people who is probably going to die in a few months anyway
Agreed. Fuck Africa.

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>>132985731

The family are still asking for direct bank transfers despite already raising way more than the US treatment costs.

>>132964768
Let it die and make another one instead.

ITT childless virgins