https://www.vox.com/first-person/20 17/7/7/15934752/health-i

>>132932213
Archived that
https://archive.is/LVM6k

>>132932213
>It sure is inconvenient to be told that you instated a genocide on the unhealthy, isn't it?
Was there "genocide of the unhealthy" before 2014?

Yes/No answer will do.

>>132932213
>self-entitled
Is this bait? Seriously, how fucking lacking in self-awareness can you be? It is the EPITOME of self-entitlement to think that you deserve to use OTHER peoples' money to pay for YOUR PROBLEMS! If you want to use part of your paycheck to help be charitable towards those who are in need, then by all means! Do so! But to FORCE it upon others is not charity. It is THEFT!
On top of all that? People who have shit for brains and shit for daily hygiene habits are being enabled by people like you, by using a wide brush painting approach to something that requires a much skinnier brush in the situation.THINK! Will enabling the poor in hygiene lifestyle that they have create an incentive on them to be cleaner? NOPE!

How do you do that? By volunteering your TIME, EFFORT, and even perhaps some of your own money, in order to help them while having reasonable conditions such as keeping oneself clean and not doing any heroin, meth or crack, that must be met by them in order to continue receiving your help. But that would require you to do something yourself instead of just again, expecting everyone else to pay for it/do something, basically at gunpoint, which is not charitable and is just state sponsored theft that you'd be enabling.

>>132934524
Did you read the article? This isn't about a fat piece of shit having a heart disease. It's about a child having a genetic disease.

There is nothing self-entitled about feeling like you should get to live and not be under medical debt. You get to do that every day. Why is it "their problem" and not yours? Where's justice and logic in that?

If someone has a disease that they're not responsible for, they shouldn't be alone in dealing with it. It should be everyone's burden, because that makes the burden almost imperceptible. It's just a small tax increase instead of having to struggle with unpayable debts and getting denied care.

You are against that because you feel entitled to the privilege you have of being healthy and having all your money for yourself. But you did absolutely nothing to earn that privilege, and most of the people who don't have it did absolutely nothing to lose it. Fat people who don't take care of themselves are an exception to this and shouldn't be an argument to oppose public health coverage. If you want to exclude obese people from public coverage, be my guest. But I don't see you guys protest against employers giving them coverage, so it sounds like you're only against it when the government does it, which is petty.

>>132934524
(cont'd)

If you are against tax-based solutions for such problems, you should go live in the woods. You already benefit a lot from the fact that society has structures and obligations. You're protected from crime and you make a good living, by world standards, with very little labor.

If we take your logic to its conclusion, we should privatize everything. The justice system, because why do you feel entitled to cops, judges and prisons to fix YOUR problems with criminals? The school system-- If you can't afford to dish out $10,000-$50,000 a year for each of your children, why is that my problem? Let the poor and middle class be illiterate. It will be for the best. Firemen: Why should I pay to fix your fucking mistakes when playing with fire and inflammable stuff? Watch your place burn and learn lessons from it, you self-entitled twat.

This is how you sound to me.

>>132934524
So in conclusion, you feel entitled to a few dollars a week at the expense of people's lives, and those people feel entitled to stay alive, a luxury which you've been granted for free. So yes, you're the self-entitled shit who's been spoiled by life and who's complaining with their mouth full and your kind is an enormous burden on those who have to struggle every day just to be alive and be able to hold a job. Fuck you for even complaining about it.

>>132934524
And stop pretending that "donating my own money" is a solution. It takes the contribution of everyone who can afford it to actually make a difference. If I want taxes to be raised for health coverage to be universal, then I'm already putting my money at stake, but not to waste it.

>>132936138

when will you faggots learn? we will kill all communists in the coming war. there is nothing you can do about it but die.

it gets worse.

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>>132936138
Good stuff

>>132935873
Yes. he feels entitled to keep his own money. What a bastard. And stop pretending that the truly concerned, generous nd benevolent people like yourself can't fix the problem with your own money. We owe you and the scumbag parasites like you nothing but the most prolonged, agonizing death possible. If someone NEEDS the dollar equivalent of the lifetime earnings of several people to stay alive - that person should be allowed to die. If the entire GDP of the world was needed to keep one person alive, should we all live in poverty so that ONE defective being which should be removed from the gene pool can continue to pollute it with his presence? Really, fuck you, thieving cocksucker. Get the fuck out of our country, and take all the other pieces of parasitic trash with you.

>>132938657
Saying it's 'his' money is putting the cart before the horse. What do you mean by 'his'? He happens to earn it? What is that before friends?
Be more humble. Wages are determined by the market, not by gods

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>>132932213
>It sure is inconvenient to be told that you instated a genocide on the unhealthy, isn't it?
>inconvenient
This is what I wanted, though.

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>>132932213

Healthcare is not a human right, if you cannot keep yourself healthy you deserve to die you dumb nigger faggot.

>>132935677
>I did absolutely nothing to earn that
>privilege
Not an argument. I should just disregard your entire tirade because of this privilege bs, but I will indulge your ignorance. Nice language btw, cunt. You sound to me like someone who takes one fucking detail and conflates it to an extreme in order to fit your confirmation bias. Oh, did that cut deep? Did that sting? I hope so, because it's true you faggot.
No, I didn't read the article because you didn't provide an archive link and I'm not giving any click bucks to a rag like Vox, Salon, Huffpo or any others. It's unfortunate that the child has a genetic disease, but is it the responsibility of the innocent to pay for his or hers treatment? Nope. I agree that the ones who caused it, if they caused it, I'm having to use hypotheticals because again, no archive link, should have to pay for it, but forcing a group responsibility just because you can't manage to hold the right ones responsible is not justice and is theft.

>if we take your logic to it's conclusion, we should privatize everything
No, you are just conflating shit to an extreme in order to fit your confirmation bias. The world and it's people for the most part, did just fine prior to Obamacare. I swear, every single one of you fucks is incapable of thinking in terms of moderation it seems. It's just one extreme or the other.

Btw, I have a shit ton of physical health problems with some being chronic, some being life threatening, and some not. When I first had an issue with my lower back after surgery, I had to lose weight from my gut to compensate and keep it strong. Almost all of my extra calories collects on the front of stomach. Not even evenly distributed. I still managed. I put myself through physical therapy, showed up like I was supposed to do, and learned what I needed to in order to make it so I'd be healthy enough to be moderately physically independent again.
Don't you ever ASSUME someone has a "privilege" again, CUNT!

>>132935677
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>>132936138
Now that I have read the article through the archival, here is where you probably proclaim me to be a monster. The kid would be better off being allowed to live his life until it eventually shorts out, unless the parents or others can manage to do something. The fact is that even if they do manage to get something done, the kid is going to have a fairly horrible life, and will always be a financial burden to his family and himself. It would be better for the kid to return to the cycle of rebirth and get another shot at life in a better physical body. If I was a kid and was that fucked up, I wouldn't be able to put that burden on my family. I'd want them to pull the plug on me. It's unfair to them. You probably think it's really unfair to the kid, but you also probably think that this is "it" as far as life goes.

What you fail to understand is that the deep state purposely created these conditions healthwise so that people like that couple with the kid would become effective speakers for the agenda. Seeing as how it tears so much as your heart strings, you can see how effective it is. I want the deep state to have to pay for what they have done, and they will too, but I doubt it will be anytime soon, and the probability of it happening is pushed further and further back by people who are the unwitting pawns of people like Soros trying to make Trump the deep state's scapegoat.

They didn't 'take it away' any more than I 'took away' a former friend's housing after kicking him out for repeatedly trashing my place.

There's merits to both fully socialised medicine and fully private but Obamacare took the worst of both and made the taxpayer foot the bill. Mandatory insurance for optional activities makes sense when others could be harmed but mandating the purchase of insurance simply for existing is just a way to funnel money from private citizens straight into the pockets of a select number of 'approved' (i.e. paid sufficient bribes) insurers.

>>132939879
>What is that before friends?
Friends don't extort money from each other under penalty of imprisonment, crooked fucks do (and those who represent forcible donation as something desirable are true sociopaths).

>>132943869
A friend wouldn't consider it 'his money', but something to be shared

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>>132943869
And it is is desirable in so far as we don't want the huge burden of the state to fall on its dependents

>>132946849
Note that this is for US- UK could be even more reliant on rich. Certainly has bigger state

>>132932213
>not being forced to buy health care = having it taken away

>>132935677
Universal Healthcare is just a way to keep everyone poorer while the rich oligarchs remain rich oligarchs

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>>132935677
>Fat people who don't take care of themselves are an exception to this and shouldn't be an argument to oppose public health coverage

>>132946701
>wages are determined by the market, not by gods
>what is that before friends?
>tfw the labourcuck turns up the hyperbole past the limit
My friends wouldn't expect me to pay their way without acknowledging that they will owe me for it. My friends have a job or jobs. My friends aren't trying to use flowery language and emotional manipulation to try to coerce me into being their personal insurance fund.

>>132947197
If it's no longer affordable to you, then it's being taken away from you.

>>132947351
It's mostly paid for by the rich, dumbass. It's called progressive tax levels. That's why it's more affordable than private insurance.

You people are so up your own ass with your own taxes you don't realize how little you pay for schools and public services compared to how much they actually cost.

>>132947496
If you don't want fat people to get coverage, then, like I said, don't instate it. But you should also oppose them getting coverage under collective insurance.

>>132942517
You're still a monster even if you warn me that you're a monster before being a monster.

Look, I've been needing healthcare for years. If I hadn't had coverage, I would have simply died.

Your "burden" argument makes no sense because I'm standing for universal healthcare. The kid wouldn't be a financial burden on their family by being alive and receiving treatment if they're alive because their treatment is getting paid for in the first place.

Keep your thinfoil hat and reincarnation bullshit out of my thread. I wish people like you could afford the psychiatric help you need, but you fucked yourself out of that one.

>>132940853
>Btw, I have a shit ton of physical health problems with some being chronic, some being life threatening, and some not. When I first had an issue with my lower back after surgery, I had to lose weight from my gut to compensate and keep it strong. Almost all of my extra calories collects on the front of stomach. Not even evenly distributed. I still managed. I put myself through physical therapy, showed up like I was supposed to do, and learned what I needed to in order to make it so I'd be healthy enough to be moderately physically independent again.
>Don't you ever ASSUME someone has a "privilege" again, CUNT!

Who paid for your treatments?

>>132940470
What. if I have a birth defect that condemns me to die if I don't receive expensive treatment, I deserve to die?

>>132938657
>What if someone needs all the money in the world to stay alive?

Then we can't do shit. But that's not what's being discussed here. We're talking about a few years of expensive treatment totalling a few hundred thousand dollars. America has more than 300 million citizens. Splitting the cost of the $231,000 bill among all Americans adds up to 0.07 cent per citizen.

>>132950529
Yeh

maybe you should get a job

>>132950874
So if it's so little why not pay my 7 cents. I'll pay my own bills.

>>132951004
Because your own bills aren't bills that add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars due to a genetic misfortune you fucking dunce. Stop acting like you're a self-made man if you're not facing any adversity in life. You're a spoiled first world shit.

>>132950529
what if fringe cases are useless when you're arguing the general case

>>132951004
Wait, hold on. I just re-read your question.

Are you fucking serious? Does the point of this really gets past you?

>>132951207
Anon rejects socialized healthcare as a whole. If his concern is that people who don't take care of themselves get free healthcare, then he should stand for free healthcare except for medical conditions that are usually caused by bad life habits. The "fringe cases" are still real and they still matter and we still have to decide if they get coverage or not, because if we don't, then they die. Do you understand that? Do I have to dumb it down more?

>>132934524

Top fucking kek, this is really what americans beleive.

Even my fucking shithole of a bankrupt country has public healthcare. You really are a self-centered bunch.

>>132951412
You only ever heard about families asking for donations to save their sick child with a degenrative disease in America, a """""""first world"""""""""" country that somehow manages to inspire pity from the remainder of the first world.

>>132951410
>Anon rejects socialized healthcare as a whole
Which is why your bringing up fringe cases is pointless.
You can take your woe is me bullshit and shove it up your ass.

>>132951625
It's not bullshit. The fringe cases is what makes it important.

Do you even have an argument? Fucking idiot.

>>132951767
You don't. That's the point. Bringing up fringe cases is pointless when arguing the general rule.

>>132951895
So you're just going to repeat that without explaining why until I get tired of arguing this?

Is that how you have all your arguments? Because it's not very smart. I mean, you may feel like you win when people give up, but winning by being stupid really just means you're stupid.

>>132932213
>A genocide on the unhealthy

You mean natural selection?

>>132952047
It's because you're bringing up fringe cases in arguing the general idea.

>>132932213
>Don't forget to accuse the death threat stories of being fake
Prove that they are real.

>>132952447
I bet you believe in pizzagate, paid protesters and other bullshit that has no basis in reality but when comes the time of considering that maybe one of your conservative brothers might act like an asshole, oh, that needs a due process. Fucking hell dude.

>>132950420
Sorry to hear that. Care to specify what it was that had you so close to death? Wew Lad
Look at what socialized health care is in Canada, which is exactly what you are ultimately standing for, because that is what you are going to get for "universal health care."
You probably are ignorant or naive enough to think that if the kid was a Canadian citizen he'd be all okie doke peachy keen, right? Wrong. Because of his extremely rare condition he and his parents would end up having to travel to the United States or some place in Europe in order to pay for and get the treatment done, because guess what? Universal health care would make the time between his visits too long for proper care and treatment and ultimately, would give the kid a death panel, which is like a medical board of people who all sit around and decide if the investment is worth being made into saving the person and whether the medical issue is valid for specialized treatment.
>tinfoil
You're so naive. You think you know so much. Me, I know a lot, but it's still a small amount in scale to the immense amount of knowledge out there. Questions lead to more questions, but if you're afraid of asking them -- yes, I'm looking at you -- you will just remain stuck where you are, figuratively speaking.

>>132950473
Someone who it wouldn't be smart of me to mention because of doxxing.

>>132951412
PAY DENBTS

Fuck you. I said that personal charity is good and that extorting it is not charity. What's wrong with that you tunnel-visioned jackass? Shit, you even said your country in bankrupt. I wonder if your public healthcare had something to do with that...? You Ouzo swilling faggot.

>>132953605
I'm actually Canadian. :^) I created the thread with an American VPN because I wanted to go around the "A fucking leaf" routine. You faggots are insufferable with this shit. No amount of logic can make you listen when you're on about that.

The system is not perfect, but it's better to have to wait for your treatment than to not getting them at all. Also, the solution to the problem you bring up is extremely simple. Stuff that is critical is done in priority so that it's done in the required delays. That's how it's done in Canada because we're not fucking stupid.

If you must know, I had severe debilitating psychiatric disorders. Even if I had been in America and had insurance, I hear some plans over there don't even cover that.

>Someone who it wouldn't be smart of me to mention because of doxxing.
So, you think you're not privileged, but you had a rich friend who paid for your treatment, and you're saying you had it hard because you had to follow them and show up to your appointments?

I don't know what to tell you. Your argument fucking sucks. I'm talking about the ability to pay for healthcare and that's completely besides the point. If anything, you just proved that you were privileged because you're acting all high and mighty for following treatments that were handed out to you out of pure luck.

>You're so naive. You think you know so much. Me, I know a lot, but it's still a small amount in scale to the immense amount of knowledge out there. Questions lead to more questions, but if you're afraid of asking them -- yes, I'm looking at you -- you will just remain stuck where you are, figuratively speaking.
Do you actually take yourself seriously when you talk like that? Because, wow, it's just... you sound like a fucking cartoon character. Pull your head out of your ass. You have issues and they need attention.

>>132954543
>I would have simply died
>I had severe debilitating psychiatric disorders
Something isn't adding up. Because you either had a lobotomy under a less offending term or you just needed anti-psychotic medication. You may not be wrapped too tight upstairs or w/e is applicable to you, but if all you needed was some pills to keep you from being suicidal, I'm like...bruh, c'mon bruh. It couldn't have been that bad and you just kinda sound like you have a histrionic personality disorder. You probably just nuked any vestige of your remaining argument with any of the anons lurking in this thread out the window with that one.

>rich friend
Again with the assumptions, eh? Lol
Rich friend? If only I was so lucky!
No, it was nothing like that, but I'm still protecting my source to protect myself from doxxing. Take it or leave it. I don't care.

>because you had to follow them and show up to your appointments?
You're showing how little about this issue you actually know about it. One of the primary reasons why healthcare costs went up is because motherfuckers can't seem to follow directions and as a result end up needing more treatment than should be necessary if they did.
BIG, HUGE, TREMENDOUSLY HUGE EXAMPLE? Antibiotics.

I don't give a fuck about my image, that's what shitstains like you don't seem to understand about this place. I am nothing but the sum of my words and images posted here. I could be as ghastly looking as fucking Frankenstein or could be avatarfagging as motherfucking Secret Squirrel or the entire Hanna Barbara line up. It wouldn't matter. What matters is the weight of truth in your words here. Nothing else.

>>132955844
>A hospital room for two months + psychiatric services. I don't even know how much that adds up to. A quick google search says something in the lines of $60,000
>$120 of medication per month for years
>$75 of therapy once per week because pills don't do miracles, they just make it somewhat manageable, for years
>Come on bruh

Yeah, I could have ended up in the streets or just killed myself. I had a serious plan to do it before I got taken in.

Looks who's doing presumptions. You seem to think this shit is really simple. Before I started therapy, the pills only managed to silence the constant impulse to kill myself, as long as I wasn't challenged. I'd still be at this point without therapy. I would have been fucking miserable.

And my criticisms on how you're coming off to me are an indirect way of trying to make you realize that you're fucking insane. You sound so insane that it comes through on an imageboard where sanity is not quite the norm. It's no hair off my ass if you don't care. You're the one who's gonna have to live the rest of your life being you.

>>132957027
Good God, man! All that money on things that only take care of the symptom and not the cause, except for arguably the therapy, when you could just as easily get all the therapy and treatment you need with ayahuasca and maybe some upkeep with micro doses of lsd. Your claim of presumptions is warranted, but I'd argue that both of us seem to think this shit is more simple than it is. Look, I'm sorry that you have been dealt the hand that you have been dealt in this life, but ultimately everyone is their own responsibility in this life. Each person's health is their most valuable commodity and it is up to each person to do what is within their means to safeguard it and make it strong. I used to have a friend that needed anti-psychotic pills throughout the day to function. I'm gonna tell you the same thing I've told her and everyone else that has ever said they were gonna kill themselves.

Do it. Fucking do it. Because if you are so fucking weak in your heart and mind that all you can think of is yourself and not how it would affect the others around you, to including your loved ones, you don't need to be around.
But considering you said you would have ended up in the streets it sounds like you ran everyone to ground already in the past.

>insane
"Those who live in glass houses..."
No, lad.(or is it lass? You type like one) I'm quite sane. My issues are physical, not mental like yourself, in which you have already admitted. You are the one living in delusions, again, as admitted by yourself. I would not go so far as to call you insane, but I would go far enough to say that you are projecting more than a 1990's era teacher in a science class.

>>132958821
>Killing yourself is selfish because it hurts others
>People have a moral obligation to live for my convenience
>That you have a disease that makes you so unwell that you prefer death to suffering it is not my concern. My concern is that you don't want to be around for my personal benefit.

And this is a perfect example of how people who are against free healthcare are self-entitled spoiled shits. You're lecturing me about having a mental disease because it's selfish and weak. That's like saying I'm selfish and weak for having cancer. Go fuck yourself.

Today I have a thriving career and people who are close to me love me. All of that would have been gone if we had done things your way. You're lecturing me about having possibly ran people into the ground, yet you're admitting to me that you encourage people in distress to kill themselves. You sound like an extremely toxic individual and I feel bad for people who know you on a more personal level.

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>>132958821
Also
>all that money that only take care of the symptom and not the cause

The medication is to make me stable so I can actually go on with my life while the therapy does its course. Without it, I would have needed years of therapy before it was safe to let me back out.

>You should take micro-doses of hallucinogenics instead. This would totally fix your problems from deep within.
>mfw

>>132959347
>Conflating things that aren't there: The post.
My personal benefit? The fuck are you on about?
If you were my friend and you had a disease that made you so unwell that you preferred death to suffering than I'd help you end it. I'm not gonna pull the trigger or push the plunger on the syringe, but I'd help you get the means to do it, if you were serious about it. I'm actually actually really not selfish about people's lives so it's funny that you said that. When I said that, I was referring to situations where loved ones would mourn. That was implied. Don't act like it wasn't. That wasn't a personal lecture towards you, you self-important twit. That was just a general example towards this entire subject. Stay focused you self-aggrandizing fuck.

>today I have a blah blah
Good! Good for you--

>>132959572
you narrow minded jackass.

>>132959347
1. It's not free
2. The US healthcare system is not a market based system, it's the 4th most socialized system in the world by GDP per person of government expenditure.
3. You don't know economics
4. Socialized healthcare is a ponzi scheme against the more responsible citizens of the country; your country prints money to pay for it which devalues responsible people's savings.
5. Government GDP crowds out economic growth and prosperity, in other words: socialized programs a country has, the less jobs and lower wages it has. If you try to price-fix the wages via "minimum wage", it just lowers demand for workers, so more people become poor and unemployed.

Your entire idea creates human suffering and causes the very problems you think it fixes.

>>132960211
>* the more socialized programs a...

>>132954543
I have medical issues as well and guess how much my meds cost before the retarded progressives and neocons screwed up the US healthcare system by regulating the hell out of it and socializing large sections of it: around $5 a bottle. Now they cost $350 a bottle.

>>132960211
>le it's not free and you don't know economics memes
Arguments that are fully based on thinking I'm stupid and not on actually demonstrating that I'm wrong, because you're a pretentious asshole. I know it's not technically free, dumbass. That's a technicality. The point is that you're not required to pay before you're given the treatment, so people who can't pay get treated. Do not reply to this argument with more bullshit about how it's the same in the end. It is not and you're intellectually able to figure out for yourself why, you just want to stall me with mental gymnastics.

>Government GDP crowds out economic growth and prosperity, in other words: socialized programs a country has, the less jobs and lower wages it has. If you try to price-fix the wages via "minimum wage", it just lowers demand for workers, so more people become poor and unemployed.
Your economic theories are pessimist nonsense aggregated by privileged economists to scare the population away from making democratic choices that disadvantage the elite because it increases their income taxes to help the poor and needy. Good job for being an useful idiot for the rich and the privileged.

> Socialized healthcare is a ponzi scheme against the more responsible citizens of the country
As demonstrated in this thread and probably many times in previous debates you've been into, but your kind ignores inconvenient facts, there are numerous situations where you can't plan well enough to afford the healthcare you need.

>your country prints money to pay for it which devalues responsible people's savings.
No, our tax rates are higher. But since everyone gets coverage, and it's funded by income taxes, ultimately, the great majority of people pay less than they would have to pay for private insurance and get full coverage regardless.

>>132960654
I'm not sure I should believe you, but let's say you're telling the truth: This wouldn't have happened with socialized healthcare. You got fucked over because Obama's first plan kept getting mired by the senate who were obviously protecting their personal interests all the while benefiting from government healthcare. He had to pass a plan that expanded access to private insurance plans because that's the only thing congress and senate could agree on. You fucked yourself over by voting for people who opposed Obama's single-payer system.

>>132960112
Okay so you're not selfish, you're just too retarded to understand how psychiatry works.

Getting treated for psychiatric treatments is preferable to killing yourself. I am telling you this from the point of view of someone who literally wanted to kill themselves, then got treatment and is now better.

You are a dangerous person and I hope something happens to you to stop you before you do any damage.

>narrow-minded for not believing that drugs don't change me from within, after telling me the drugs i take don't change me from within
Fuck off with this bullshit. Drugs are drugs. There's no drug that can cure psychiatric diseases.

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>>132932213
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee: the post
Move to Canada faggot

>>132932213
>genocide on the unhealthy
This is nature, not the conservatives.

>>132961159
Christ give me strength, you are really an insufferable cunt. It's preferable for YOU because YOU benefit in that situation with socialized healthcare and since you are already paying into it that is fine. But here? Fuck that. You call me toxic? Shit, you have demonstrated clearly throughout this thread how mentally unbalanced you still are, what with all of your indirect threats towards me, meds or not, and the smart money says that you will continue to be a drain on your country's resources for years to come with more than likely nothing more than yet another coddled person who is emotionally stunted and still just as mentally unstable.

>Drugs are drugs
I really don't fucking get you leafs sometimes. How the fuck you can all be so hippie-esque without knowing jack diddly squat is a testament to ignorance itself. What the fuck do you think people who can't afford medical insurance or even treatment, do when there was no other alternative? Do you honestly think that you are the first fucking person on this planet to have the mental problems you do? Shamans, were and are, the world's first doctors and psychologists. Their treatment goes after the source and not the symptom. The source usually being a traumatic event and how that experience warped that person's perspective. The treatment allows the person to let go of these scars if they truly want to.
But hey, ya know? What do they know? Ancient wisdom learned through the ages that goes after the source of the problem is no match for Western medicines symptom based approach, amirite? Kek!

>>132962297
Dammit. I meant
>nothing more to show for it than yet another coddled person who is emotionally stunted and still just as mentally unstable.

>>132962297
You're pretty much arguing that using alternatives such as suicide or fake medicine out of the despair induced by the lac of affordability of actual medical treatment is better than having socialized healthcare.

Your country is utterly pathetic and you're the reason why. I feel really bad for your compatriots facing health coverage problems. If they were born anywhere else, they would have it a lot easier, and that's strictly because of people like you who just won't let go of their profoundly false belief, ingrained by corporate interests and paranoid MacCarthists, that no situation is pathetic enough to justify socialized healthcare.

>Indirect threats towards me
The conservative's self victimization disorder kicks in again. Us liberals are so violent that we are so cryptically even when not making any real threats.

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No, you are just putting words in my mouth because you can't or refuse to see this from an objective standpoint because of your inherently invested subjective position on it. Fuck your feelings. I don't care how you feel. I've been more than kind to you in this thread, all things considered, but instead of reassessing and reanalyzing, all you have done is move goalposts and attempt to make assassinations of character all while never really addressing my points, even though I have been courteous enough to address yours.

Your head is densely thick.
You live in a glass house.
You talk a lot of shit,
but avoid the hard route.
You thought I'd call it quit?
Well, in that there is no doubt.
But my final quip is
fuck you nigger, I'm out!