The First Human Head Transplant Has Been Scheduled For 2017

>>132905852
Business Insider is actually ok you homo

God speed warrior.

>>132906110
>>132906222
ehm, that's a bot

>>132905801
Here's what will happen.

1: Ass tons of retarded hype
2: It will fail, of course
3: Obfuscation
4: Muh head transplantation will drop off the radar for about a week
5: Almost immediately, everyone will forget this failure and someone will be talking about the first head transplant again.

Humans are not sapient.

>>132906110
its not

>>132905801
Rich Russian faggot is going to die.

>>132905801
This is literally autism science

If in some miracle the bodies immune system doesn't immediately attack his spine/central nervous system the chance for organ rejection or limbs not working is literally garunteed

This dude just volunteered for the most horrific final moments a human can have

>>132905852
Go fucking kill yourself

>>132905801
Don't you need to clone yourself in order for brain/head transplants to work?

>>132906475
Well to be honest, he'll probably be so anesthatized he'll never be allowed to wake up after they realize the procedure failed about 1/10th of the way through because when you cut someone's head off, they die.

>>132905801

The ruling class are all clones. Maybe they can transfer their consciousness also? That would make them almost immortal.

>>132906502
Remember to report the fucking spambot.

MODS DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!

>>132906475
so you think it's body transplant not head transplant. what about pig/muslim part, that could work

>>132906452
He's not paying for this kek. He's just some poor vegetable with nothing to lose who volunteered

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>>132905801
So he stuck the head of one rat onto another and it lived for a little while, so he is ready to try on a human?

These rats look so healthy. Show me a video of rats with a head transplant running around and behaving like a normal rat and I'll consider that he might be ready to try on a chimpanzee. Then if they get the chimpanzee to run around like nothing ever happened maybe try on a human.

These rats look miserable and are probably paralyzed.

>>132906732
That's just it. This cannot really be allowed to work, even if it could, for if it were possible a huge number of rich people would be getting their heads transplanted onto younger bodies as soon as major physical problems occurred.

Every cunt would be at it and all rich people would die of brain disorders.

>>132906696
>>132906475
How the fuck you arrogant retards think you know more than this guy is beyond me
He's been planning this operation for years, and there is no immediate severing of the head, the immune system factor is completely accounted for.
How the fuck you think with your 10 seconds of high-school level science knowledge you've outpaced a renowned neurosurgeon is beyond me.
Stop sharing your opinions, you collectively make everyone dumber in an effort to mask your own retardation.

>>132906696
They've already done head transplants in the 80s with dogs and chimps. It is possible to do without killing the subject.
I have no idea how they plan to get around the issue of him being paralyzed from the neck down due to severing the spinal cord though.

Bonus question: If he uses his new body to have kids isn't he being cucked because it's not his DNA being passed on?

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>>132905801

>take out spine
>glue together with PEG
>add electricity
>Bing bang bong it just works

Holy fuck

>procedure called HEAVEN
>out of body experiences and shiet

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT KOJIMA

>>132907104
None of them lived a normal life after the procedure. They just lived in a sedated and medicated state for a little while after the operation and were put down.

If "success" means that the patient technically stays alive and has to stay on life support, sedated, with chemicals shutting down the immune system so it doesn't reject the donor tissue then what is the point?

>>132907104

60s

Not 80s

The problem is that muh animal rights and nobody wanted to try and figure out how to fuse spinal cords.

But they got the body to feed the brain and have it all almost work.

>>132905801
pls be successful!

>>132907320
>what's the point?
Science my nigga.

>>132907040
You can't transplant a head, bro. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know this. How are they going to keep blood in his brain after they saw his head off, before they put it onto the new body? How are they going to reanimate the "new" body (which I'm assuming is dead carcass that is dead for a reason). There's just so much wrong here.

>>132907320

It was the 1960s and proof of concept research, not full blown research into it.

It was supposed to continue with the next generation fusing the spinal cord together fully, but muh ethics concerns grounded it.

It's just an advertisement for death stranding anyway.

>>132907522

The same way they did it in the 1960s.

Life support keeping blood pumping on both ends.

Is it gay if he jerks it

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>>132907522
>You can't transplant a head, bro. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know this.
that's oximoran

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>>132906956
Not a head transplant. Literally a torso transplant. Also jesus christ.

>>132907040
Oh boy here we go. Some pop culture opportunist comes along and says some bullshit and we have to believe it because he has a certificate or something. So does fucking Dr. Oz.

>>132907104
Never been proven. More conspiracy theory than anything.

>>132907458
That's not even science. That's just...humans. Humans can't even into science.

>>132906475

this one will fail but someone will probably actually be able to do this soon

>>132907708
>believing commie science
You don't actually think the Russians transplanted dog heads, do you?

>>132905801
You've been in a coma for... Quite some time.

>>132905801
Wow, maybe next they can give one to our president. Ha ha. Right?

>>132905801
I think this doctor is really getting ahead of himself

>>132907040
Thank you

"Bing bang bong you have the solution to spinal cord fusion"

This reeks of bullshit

>>132907850
but canavero is an accomplished neurosurgeon

>>132908524
He will be soon known as Dr. Cadavero

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Wait wasnt this all a viral shilling attempt for MGSV?

>>132905801
Wouldn't it be a BODY transplant? He's getting rid of his old body for a new one, he's still keeping his head...

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>>132908055

It was a Catholic American named Robert J. White, and it was done on monkeys.

There's even video of it and a shitload of papers about it. The Russian failed but him and the east German medical team invented life support.

I stead of this dumb shit with a 0.001% chance of any meaningful success, they should have convinced this guy to become a head in a jar for a cyborg body

>>132905801

We are FAR away from connecting the spinal cord to a new head - at least the new body would be 100% paralyzed.

>>132908843
d-does that mean he`s well aware that the head will die off and the body will remain active hence why its worded as a head transplant

>>132906475

I remember an experiment where a dogs brain was attached to a foreign dogs body to test if the new body rejected it and turned out it didnt. The brain lived for a few hours if im not mistaken.

Dont quote me on it though.

>>132905801
spoiler from a medfag. This is a publicity stunt. It won't happen in our lifetime. If they do attempt to do that, the patient will die in minutes

>>132907040
>Muh credentialism

Yeah and your doctor in big pharmas pocket really has your best interests at heart when they jump to give you drugs for the slightest ailment. Since hes been in school since he was 4 you should totally trust he just knows more than you

Fucking kys

>>132909180
Pig?

>>132909059
severing the spinal cord anywhere between C1 and C3 means instant death

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Who gets to control the peener?

>>132905801
Is it more correct to call this a head transplant or a body transplant?

>>132907040
Im in medschool, dude is right. Even if he is 100% compatible, his inmune siatem will slowly create defenses against his head, and neurons can't replicate, so he will be fucked. And if he gets atrong inmune suppression, his life expectancy is drastically lowered.
This is considering that everything works as intended. Even connecting small nerves is risky and takes lots of theraphy, connecting the entire nervous system is pretty much imposible right now. And im noy just talking about moving, his sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems will be completely fucked. His body will work with lots of failures, probably depend on hormones and machines. Best case scenario, i doubt he will live more than a handful of months, and it wont be nice.

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>>132909180

"What has been accomplished in the animal model – prolonged hypothermic preservation and cephalic transplantation, is fully accomplishable in the human sphere. Whether such dramatic procedures will ever be justified in the human area must wait not only upon the continued advance of medical science but more appropriately the moral and social justification of such procedural undertakings." -Robert J. White

Not only is it possible, it's already happened. First by the Russian who failed because of body rejection and having to invent life support.

Then it was the American who got even further but couldn't properly fuse the spinal cord to restore everything, yet they enabled it to breathe, eat, and have a heartbeat largely by itself.

Finally in 2002 some Japs pioneered use of PEG to fuse spinal columns together seamlessly, allowing paralyzed rats to regain all normal life, and making a 2 headed one for good measure.

First I thought it was Kojima again, but despite the neurologist opinions in the article, everything has already been done before, and it's been replicated over and over again to test the validity.

It has a good chance of working scarily enough.

>>132909825
anything is possible through prayer. he just needs to pray hard enough and it will work fine.

>>132909825
Maybe in 30 years with super advanced AI doing the procedure

>>132907040
I mean, we can't even reconnect a cut spine. We first have to achieve fully reliable and working methods to rejoin nerves. Only then you could atart thinking on viable head transplants

>>132910129
Man could do it. Its not just the techique, there is more involved. Neurons cant replicate, the nervous system can barely heal. First, we gotta solve that. Also find a way to prevent rejection.

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>>132909825

It's been done before and replicated many times.

The only reason it hasn't been tested on humans is because it's an all or nothing procedure.

Besides, if you've read the article he is going to remove the damaged spinal cord from an already crippled man, and take healthy material from an organ donor to replicate the PEG first stage testing done to mice, which he has already done himself to replicate the viability of the 2002 studies.

damnit soros gonna live forever

You're all forgetting how absolutely based the doctor is. When he was looking for applicants for the procedure a bunch of mentally ill tranny degenerates applied because muh put my head on another gender. The doctor lost his shit and said he intends to help people not cater to the mentally ill

>>132906696
A doctor did a head transplant decades ago on a monkey and it survived. It was paralyzed from the neck down though, and died shortly after.
But it DID work

>>132906610
It'd probably help

>>132911365
>I don't cater to the mentally ill
Is he /ourdoctor/?

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>>132905801
So I heard you talking shit about multiculturalism.

>Trusting an Italian surgeon

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>>132905801
>The First Human Head Transplant
sounds like Hillary will make a shot at 2020 after all

>>132910760
(same medfag)
The dude is an idiot, or a hack.
He is making a HUGE mistake in his procedure. He is trying to test 2 things at the same time, fusion of spine, and head transplant. Both of them untestet on humans. Can't you see the problem here?
In any science project, you should only test 1 thing at a time, because if any of them fucks up, you don't know what went wrong. He hasn't proved yet that his method to fuse the spine works in humans, yet he is trying to go even further with a process hundreds of times more complex. Nobody would be so stupid, because if anything fails, you lose a fortune and win nothing.
Why didn't he try to fuse the spines of people crippled post accident? If it really worked, any doctor would start there, it's easier and something everyone has been persuing for years, he would be famous and earn a fortune, and respect, then he could proceed to the head transplant without issues.

>>132912178
>Both of them untestet on humans.
that's why i proposed musim/pig combo.

>>132906110
no it isn't

>>132910760
Mind you, im not saying that head transplants are impossible. It's just that were are not there yet. It's like with heart transplants, were there was needed a lot of advances in various areas of surgery and medicine, just to make the option viable, and then more advances to prevent failures and so on.
It's not a rush. First, we need to find better ways to connect spines and nerves, and also ways to prevent rejection. Then, and only then, you can think about head transplants.

>>132906502
>>132906758
get a load of these asshurt shills

>>132912178
Hence why he's doing it in China.
It's likely some rich fuck about to die and some peasant they abducted, likely a female because nips are fucking weird like that.

When the procedure fails, everyone involved get's a bullet and a shallow grave, the facility is cleared, and the story dies.

Repeat twice a decade until someone with actual chances succeeds, prompting billions in investment.

This is how it ends, really.
>Rothschild's live forever.

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>>132905801

>"Electricity has the power to speed up regrowth," he said. "Bing bang bong you have the solution" to spinal cord fusion.
>"Bing bang bong"
>"Bing bang bong"
>"Bing bang bong"
>"Bing bang bong"
>Canavero's evidence that the procedure will work rests on a handful of animal experiments that many experts say were nowhere near satisfactory.
>handful of animal experiments
>handful of animal experiments
>handful of animal experiments
>nowhere near satisfactory
>nowhere near satisfactory
>nowhere near satisfactory

Both patients will die. Doctor will lose license for being a crackpot. There will probably be international ethics hearings. Charges of crimes against humanity will probably be brought.

>>132912761
If some rich fuck wanted to do that to himself, the more reason for extra security. There is no reason at all to not start with proving spine fusion in humans and then moving into more complex procedures. Infact, in the end it's cheaper and faster that way.

>>132912178

The guy that will have his head transplanted is dying, its this or death, might as well.

>>132913217
Dude, no. It makes no sense even in a science utilitarian way. If it fails and he dies, nobody will know if it was due to the procedure, or if the fusion thing failed.
Test one at a time, or you never know what you did right, and what you did wrong. Doing both is just wasting money and time.

>>132913217
I suspect he wants euthanasia, and figures he might as well try some insane procedure with almost no chance of succeeding

>>132907522
do you honestly think they didn't think of something as basic as this? I mean really. It will probably fail but the reasons you're giving are retarded

BUT WHO'S GETTING TRANSPLANTED? Surely it's a body transplant cause the brain is the person.
I think the body guy is getting scammed with the offer of a new head.

>>132905801

WE PASSED UPON THE STAIR

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>>132906502
fuck off faggot

>>132906389
Pretty sure "head transplantation" is murder outright and they wont even be allowed to try it as it's illegal.

>>132909513
body transplant. you can't get a head transplant cause that's where the individual "is".

so is he trying to get a new head or a new body?

what if it worked and instead of it saving the one guy, it brought the other one back to life?

>>132914163
fucking lol. i heard a story once of a man who got rekt in a car accident with head trauama etc. The family asked the doctor if he could get a brain transplant

>>132908678
underrated

>>132913724
does his head get put on the crips body? lmao imagine waking up to that reality

>>132906981
Brain ages with the body. A new and young body doesnt mean a 100% coherent brain. Alzheimers is still gonna be there.

>>132914163
its in china isn' it? they'll just off one of their falun gong people or traffic someone in dnc style

>>132913735
WE SPOKE OF WAS AND WHEN

>>132914527
Fresh hormones from the body might rejuvenate the head

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>>132912178

He is doing it one at a time.

I don't understand your argument.

My question to you is, how the fuck do you test spinal grafting on humans without doing the procedure?

Why didn't you read the article? He's doing spinal grafting and if it succeeds he is doing the full head transplant.

>>132912549

They already seamlessly attached them in the 2002 Japanese tests.

Really, the only issue I see with his spinal grafting is if it works like a normal organ or if the anti rejection meds can't fully work with the mostly enclosed spinal column.

Beyond the success in the mice tests for grafting, they also succeeded in stopping the rejection using common anti rejection drugs.

The only thing I am wondering is why the article states nothing about the previous experiments, and the neurologists they consulted know nothing of them.

It's more sound and replicable than most successful pharmaceutical trials that get cleared for human testing. It stands a decent chance of it working.

>>132914675
That's not how it works...like at all

>>132908843
Not really. The immune system belongs to the body. The head plays the role of the transplanted tissue.
I understand you're taking it from an ethical point of view, that the conscience is in the brain, therefore the person resides the head, the body being something that helps the person manifest irl, but biologically, what you're doing is you're giving a head to a headless body, not the other way around.

>>132914914
Are you suuuurrrrreeeeeeee?

:)

>>132905801
>A 30-year-old Russian man, Valery Spiridonov, volunteered for the procedure in the hope of living a more normal life.
>He said he will soon complete this transplant procedure with two humans — a Chinese national who remains anonymous and a brain-dead organ donor. The head of the former will be attached to the body of the latter.

Why is the information in your post and in the article contradictory?

>>132912814

>handful

>successful experiments in the late 60s and successful PEG grafting in the 2000's

>the 2002 grafting and using anti rejection med tests have been replicated almost a dozen times with the same result

>>132914886
Dude I am in medschool so I am sure I know better than this guy that is an actual surgeon with years of experience and I am sure he hasn't considered basic things even a student like me can instantly consider. Trust me and only me.

>>132915200
m8 I agree that the surgeon will certainly take into account all the things we're trying to bring yp here as problems, but the fact that there are a lot of things that could go wrong is obvious and the doctor doesn't deny it. For him it's more of an experiment than an actual surgery.

>>132914527
That's hardly conclusive.

>>132905801

Is that the same doctor from MGSV?

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>>132905801
>pun intended
Oh, anon.

>>132915876
Yes

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>>132905801


yeah it will be a piece of cake.

this is just going to be euthanasia of a guy.

>>132912814
BING

>>132915819
Brain is a physical organ, not a spiritual ever-living entity. If you get kicked in the head the wrong way, you will never recover, because your brain will be physically broken in that spot.
Or do you know of a way to heal an brean durmage?

Medfags, explain how rejection would work with the blood brain barrier?

Looking forward to this shit.

But won't the head reject the body, like an organ transplant? How does it work anyway.

>>132916224
You're a fucking idiot.

>>132905801
>>132906376
To call it a "head transplant" is dehumanizing. It's a body transplant.

>>132905801

lol.. that isn't going to end well.

>People losing their heads over this.
>Not a good way to get 'ahead' in life.
>Worse way to be 'head' of the class.
>Some people give head, others want to take it.

Ok.. I'm done with shit puns for now.

>>132916224
>your brain is physically broken and will never recover
That really depends on how young they are and successful neuroplasticity is, but we're basically arguing semantics so it's irrelevant

>>132916340
>You're a fucking idiot.
That makes him competent on the subject. You are, on the other hand, just dumb.

>>132916224

Neuroplasticity. the brain can essentially rewire around the damage, depending on the severity of the damage and where the damage has occurred.

>>132916045
Or he'll be somehow kept alive for 20 years, in infinite pain, not being able to kill himself or even to beg to be killed.

>>132916340
I'm just telling the basic idea of how a head-body transplant works in the sense of a brain not getting healed back to the non-ill state of a rambling senior.
I'm inclined to believe you're just angry because you don't agree with my info. Care to give your brilliant counter-explanation then?
Also please keep hiding behind that anon flag. So heroic and alpha.

>>132916561
>>132916340

>>132907522
you talk shit about something you don't even have the basic understanding about yourself and try to devalue the knowledge of many who actually study and practice for decades.

i wish it was your head they were cutting of.

>>132905801
inb4 trans people start putting their heads on real women bodies

>>132914886
>Why didn't you read the article? He's doing spinal grafting and if it succeeds he is doing the full head transplant.

The article states that he is doing the transplant based on his studies on mice. Nowhere it's mentioned he is gonna do it first in humans before the transplant.

>My question to you is, how the fuck do you test spinal grafting on humans without doing the procedure?

There are hundreds of ways. Joining cutted nerves is a common surgery nowdays, and a very imperfect one. Starting there, using his technique to improve their quality would be huge. Going further, he could try to rejoin cutted spines from tetraplegic after accidents. Lots of room there, joining the spine of one person is easier than the spines of 2 people, even more if they are fresh from the accident. He would also BTFO peoeple doing robot limbs.

>They already seamlessly attached them in the 2002 Japanese tests.
Again, mice. It must be tested in humans too.


>Really, the only issue I see with his spinal grafting is if it works like a normal organ or if the anti rejection meds can't fully work with the mostly enclosed spinal column.

The anti rejection meds is a huge point on it's own. And there is more to that. We don't fully understand the brain yet, so that alone is a field that must improve to guarantee success. Also, limb transplants in general are rather new, that aspect itself must improve before going any further.

>Beyond the success in the mice tests for grafting, they also succeeded in stopping the rejection using common anti rejection drugs.

That's nice, but even then anti rejection drugs are a double edge sword. They turn down your inmune system, so it's a big door for infections. And even then, you can get some inmunity issues that slowly kill the transplantaded organ. Rejection is categorized by time, and to get that efect you need years, wich is more than what your average mice will live.

Even if this does work, the guy will be left with a useless body due to severing the spinal cord.

Pretty dumb if you ask me.

>>132905801
Seems like they've been announcing this for 20 years now. JUST LOP HIS HEAD OFF ALREADY.

>>132912814
Sauce me, I tried searching the file name and I can't find anything

>>132912814
no, there wont be any charges.
besides this experiment have a fuckton of lawyers clearing everything up, if both patients have given their consent then you cant sue for shit.

fuck me you Americans and you fetish for suing people

>>132917134
The point of the operation is to attach the nerves properly. If it doesn't succeed, he doesn't care because he's already a vegetable.

>No one reading the fucking article

The guy is a vegetable already. There is no downside for him to take part in the operation. The best outcome from his point of view would probably be if he died.

>>132915911
So seeing as every Kojima prediction came to pass, and the doctor was assassinated...

Can't wait for parasite larva to make Africa sterile.

>>132909976
>reddit spacing
>fascist

Go back.

>Medical professional can't even properly attach limbs without tons of major fuck ups
>Let's do it with a head, what can go wrong

Whoever believes this would work should seriously consider reading any basic book on human anatomy

>>132917134
Paralysis usually results from tearing or rending damage to nerve tissue (Creates large surface area for scar tissue to form). A very clean cut could heal with minimal scaring and blockage of nerve pathways.

>>132915200
Ok, don't take my opinion. Take the one of also experienced, well educated people that say he is doing something stupid.
I'm just a student, but even then i can see the amount of mistakes he is making.

>>132917354
> Be American
> able to read

pick one

>>132916701
sp00ky

>>132912178
>Nobody would be so stupid, because if anything fails, you lose a fortune and win nothing.
Maybe he likes to live dangerously.

>>132917323
Kill yourself.

worms can head transplant so i dont see why humans shouldnt try

>>132916701

Yeah if they just connect the blood flow he will be just a consciousness without any senses, id rather be a vegetable and be aware I was a vegetable than just some consciousness, can't see, can't hear or communicate in any way. it would be the very definition of hell. imagine in the future if that is how we treat space criminals, just keep their brain alive but get rid of their body so they are trapped in their own mind prison forever, begging for a death that will never come. Brutal.

I wonder how long you could keep the brain alive by itself if it's not reliant on the body and you provide it with everything it needs through the blood.

>>132908838
yes, just don't tell the patient

>>132914994
3deep5me

>>132917354
No one says it will work, but it will provide insight. Even the veggie isn't deluded, he knows he will probably die, he knows it won't hurt because anesthesia, he lives a shitty life, that's really his best chance of contributing to the progress of mankind. the operation will show the first thing that goes wrong that they didn't expect. Then they will find ways to solve the problem, will try a new transplant and identify a new problem, and so forth until...who knows? You can not have progress without experimentation.

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>>132905801

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world's second you mean, common knowledge obama was osama.

>>132905801
This man is a fraud, i saw some documentary exposing him. Rip naive russian

How many times will this fake story keep making the rounds?

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>>132905801

>>132918150
Usually in science before you do a big experiment you do a smaller one first, once you perfect a certain procedure down to each of it's components then you move onto the next step up from that

You don't dive in the deep end of the pool and think that you'll have some deep fucking insight

That's retarded

>>132917909
I wonder how long you could keep the brain alive by itself if it's not reliant on the body and you provide it with everything it needs through the blood.

The short answer - we don't know, but most seem to think that it would far exceed the lifespan of the body.

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you thought the recipient was just a random russian national

>>132905801

1. He's going to die.

2. He's not going to live.

>>132918150
sure, but you should experiment on mice.

so until this 'doctor' can actually produce a functioning mouse head transplant, I'm calling it what it is: quackery and media-whoring

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>>132917843
>salty redditor detected

>>132905801
What's next? Baboon with three asses?

>>132905801
I salute the volunteer! He has nothing to lose

>>132906110
No it fucking isn't.

>>132911774
Kek. This is what I was thinking too. God help anyone born with similar genes to Georgie Boy.

>>132918810
three is a primitive number the his ass quota is five

>>132906475
yeah who knows more about surgery: surgeons or a stupid fucking leaf

>>132909825
>Im in medschool
and you're arguing with people who graduated from med school and got 10+ years of experience on top of that. You don't know shit.

>>132906610
That would be a perfect match indeed or 2 twins had an accident and only 1 survived

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I also want a new head, when can we do this

>>132905801
Kojima really doesn't know when enough's enough.

>>132919086
Read any other neurosurgeon's opinion on the topic if you think i don't know shit. Won't differ much.

>>132917909
>just keep their brain alive but get rid of their body so they are trapped in their own mind prison forever
Great idea. You know what would be greater? Endlessly stimulating the parts of the brain which make one feel pain, depression, weakness or even more complex shit, like reliving painful experiences or nightmares. Would be interesting to observe how the brain behaves. As far as the nerves of the teeth go, if they are continually attacked and suffering, they get petrified, I wonder whether the brain nerves would find some mechanism to die when they are forcefully kept alive.
As for this man, he will probably be unplugged if he's unresponsive, I was just trying to be spoopy

this will be a horrific failure, i don't know what it will mean, but it will be and it won't be hidden on purpose,
cheque them

>>132909976
sauce?

>>132905801
>A 30-year-old Russian man, Valery Spiridonov, volunteered for the procedure in the hope of living a more normal life.

And who the fuck volunteered to provide the body? Would a normal organ donor card really cover this?

>>132905801
If we could actually reattach a head then paralysis would be a thing of the past.

Paralyzed from the waist down? No problem! We'll just reattach those nerve columns and you'll be good again!

Even if this person lives for a little while, their new body will simply be a life support module feeding the head oxygen and blood. They won't control it.

>>132907040
you're a murderer

>>132915074
a russian man who is a chinese national, dummy.

>>132919630
not exactly champ. Paralysis occurs because of the damage done to nerves and tissues that can not be regrown or replicated (currently) and replaced.
You are implying that two perfectly healthy tissues can not be compatible. In theory this should work

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>There are people here who weren't on the MGSV hype train

He HAD to do all these TV interviews or else everything would be unraveled. Glad to see that Dec2017 is finally the announced date for Kojima's announcement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKk6UIYiMqg

Welcome to the notorious Ruse Cruise. ALL ABOARD. DECEMBER 2017.

>>132918524
>>132918686
He claims he did it on a chimpanzee and it went fine. If this is true then there are no more intermediate steps to take.

How will he age? Head wise, or body wise? If the head is 65 and the body 20, does he like for another 5 years or 45 years???

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CHEEEELLLIOOOOS

>>132920122
Detaching a head from the body implies damage to the nerves, you know.

Am I the only one excited about this and hoping it will succeed?

STANDING

>>132920681

ON THE EDGE

Relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7BYXk1EX1c

>>132920553
yeah if you use a machet. We are taking about very complex microsurgery, cutting each individual strand with as minimal amount of damage as possible

>>132920440
We don't know, studies have demonstrated that blood transfusions from the young have a rejuvenation effect on the brains of older people.

a weapon to surpass metal gear

>>132920440
should be body wise. Natural death occurs from organ failures, the brain has a longer life span than other body parts. I believe the body will age faster, as an older brain will give it orders to produce hormones corresponding to the brain age, but I have no clue on this, just a speculation.

>>132921039
This just makes my brain hurt. I need need to know!

>>132920842
Ofcourse it's easier, but it should also be posible to fix spines damaged from other kinds of damages, just with less good results. (also, some accidents are actually clean cuts)

>>132908312
Kek

>>132921476
then volunteer for the next head transplant

>>132920842
I think you are underestimating the complexity of nerves, it's not like you can just reconnect them like 2 wires.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-barriers-to-reconnecting-nerves

a guy answers it pretty well here.

>>132912089
This.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Macchiarini

>>132905801
There was one boy who got his spinal cord snapped in a car accident, head decapitated. They reattached his spinal cord and he ended up surviving.

>>132922096
source or you're full of shit

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Is it a head transplant or a body transplant?

>>132922965
the article refers to it as a body transplant

I hadn't thought about how head transplant makes no sense until I saw that in the article.

>>132922672
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-year-old-internally-decapitated-survives-without-surgery/ I think this is what he's referring to, but from the looks of it the spinal cord was unharmed.

>>132922965
The head holds the personality and everything that makes a person a person. Thus the body is the part to be replaced.
The body can be removed and demolished whilst the person survives. If the head was demolished there would be no person left, only spare parts.

>>132923419
see
>>132914994

>>132906475

>>132924038
The immune system does not make a conscience.
A brain in a jar will still experience the world around it (given that it has sources of input, if not it will still experience its own existence). A body without a brain will be a biological machine capable of zero thought or action.

>>132905801
yes gimme money for me goyim

lets face it, they already have done this and they already got moon filled with alien weaponry, reason they act as they act when it comes to the moon is to keep everyone at bay so they can one day take over of all man kind and destroy in the name of their unholy god that is just a creation of their own mind but they are too deep to figure that out

WOW why are so many polfags saying he shouldnt be allowed to try this? what happened to two consenting adults being allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies you fucking statists? all of you go back to leftypol.

>>132924602
>(...)you fucking statists?(...)
wat (I actually said that out loud)

>>132923356
thanks

either way that is pretty amazing

>>132924356
Conscience is irrelevant. It's just a mechanism that developed to help the body survive and reproduce.

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>>132905801
how do they plan on keeping the head alive while its not attached to anything?

>>132925400
Just need to pump oxygenated air through it while it waits. Shouldn't be too hard

>>132925326
But the immune system is relevant? This is nonsensical bullshit pocket philosophy, and I'm out.

>>132925326
>>132924356
I'd say it depends on the standpoint. If you consider the "individual", as the conciouss part that makes decitions and "lives", then it's a body transplant.
If you take a more clinical perspective of posible failures and treatments to prevent them, you could say it's a head transplant, since it would be the body rejecting the head.

All in all, it's rather irrelevant DESU

>>132905801
>transplant a pig head to his body
You would have to transplant his head to a pig body retard.

>>132905801
>Head transplant

Kek, a lot of people on this board need a brain transplant desu famalam. When are we gonna get those?

>>132905801
If he gets a different head, how will he remember his old life etc?

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>>132925564
well if they do succeed we may become one step closer to this

>>132925604
>>132925765
Whose DNA will he offer for reproduction? The body's or the head's? The head is just another organ required for keeping the body alive and able to reproduce. All the 'conscience' gets is a ephemeral sense of control, in exchange for the body fulfilling it's meaning by reproducing bodies similar to his, with heads similar to the ones it lost.

>>132905801
I tell you ahead of time, the moment they do this, that brain shall receive all the living DNA of the other body, and when it does, this man shall have a changed perception of reality, as if he were drunk! And then, as he recovers, his brain will be trying to adjust to the new memory contained within the DNA and you idiots better not try and gain any wisdom off those old corses either friggin curses there you know IT'S CALLED RESPECT BUT NO OPEN THE PHARAOH'S TOMB WHY DON'T YOU BLAST CERN AWAY WHY DON'T YOU

So he's going to be down the mental hospital road, if he moves his hands and moves his legs he will always HAVE HIS OLD BODY HAUNTING HIM. I know his thoughts while he is alone already, and yea, Frankinstein will at first be funny he will laugh once and then bam, a neuron fires off he remembers.

Hey, I warned you.

>>132926461
Man I could picture people who sit all day on 4chan in jars like that in a hivemind stuck with eachother all day but technology should never go that far. Also a logical fact as to why 4chan is obviously not nor would it even be accepted in other worlds! No planet of mine is getting 4chan for my humanoids....

>>132925765
I can work with that.
>>132927881
A head-less body artificially kept alive will not reproduce. It will not act. It will express no will. It will not respond to sexual stimuli and thus not reproduce if acted upon, either (unless female).
A body-less head will (with sufficient input/output abilities (not necessarily through bodily functions, but through sci-fi-tier computer technology)) be able to make requests.
You are mistaken - it is a body transplant, not a head-transplant.

>>132905801
Metal gear solid 5 the complete edition release date?

>>132907588
That sneaky jap

>>132928770
You don't transplant body parts to a conscience, you do it to a body. The head is also a body part, thus it is the one transplanted. Obviously, in all cases, the goal is that the conscience, the person is able to use a body as fit as possible, (I brought up the meme of being cucked by your own body for the lulz, he obviously can transplant his own nutsack to the body and problem solved) and you do this by transplanting body parts to a body, even if it is the very part that holds the conscience. As you see, my problem is the improper use of terminology. Transplanting is done to a body, hence it can not be transplanted.

>>132931160
Fine.
Since the brain is not being removed from its confinement I can now work with this being a head transplant.
A head. Not a brain.

>>132914542
ALTHOUGH I WASN'T THERE

>>132905801
Fucking finally, this is the first pioneering step to a future where we all live immortal lives in ghost in the shell machine bodies.

>>132931365
Even if you would have to put a brain into a perfectly working body, for the sole purpose of letting that brain use the body, it will still be a brain transplant. I know it sounds shocking, because up till now all the transplants were done to the very body that the conscience had, thus a transplant to it's body meant a new toy for the conscience, but it doesn't always have to be this way. Times change and we will now witness, hopefully, a conscience being given a new body, by the transplantation of the very body part that holds it to a new body. Point is, time has come to dissociate transplant from giving the conscience new shit through which it can manifest. Now we can give shit to the conscience by giving the conscience to that shit.

>>132933088
Nonsense.

>>132932872
>we all
Only the elites. You're cattle to create better bodies for them.

>>132933443
I think we should just use transfer when we give a new body to the conscience and transplant when we upgrade/ repair the existing body. So we could say the operation is a body transfer, done through a head transplant.

>>132916991
>They turn down your inmune system, so it's a big door for infections
>infections
>mattering in this day and age
top kek, infections haven't killed anybody since antibiotics were invented.

>>132934046
Boom, perfect.

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>>132905801
Autojector!

https://youtu.be/rSrIkUXwsNk

https://youtu.be/VtDQc-4wGvM

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>>132905801
the headlines are going to be magnificent!
>Operation turning heads big failure
>Man Decpitated in what was supposed to be a 'life-changing' procedure
>Not so Fast Russia!
>Doctor that thought Head Transplant Possible says it's more of a body transplant
>Trump's Future
>etc...
Does anyone really expect it to be a success whatsoever? Serious question. Anyone think yes?

If this works, I want a body that's about 210cm tall and athletic. Hope we can keep an eye out for white basketball players who have had strokes at an early age so I can have a new body.

>>132914046
they'll probably use the recent assisted suicide laws or they'll have plently of newly beheaded corpses to chose from by then.

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>>132935110
source:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12112051/First-head-transplant-successfully-carried-out-on-monkey-claims-surgeon.html

>>132905801
R.I.P, he never stood a chance.

>>132934237
>being this ignorant

Infections are the first cause of death in people with supressed inmunity. And it's not just bacteria, also viruses and fungus. Even if you employ antibiotics, you can generate resistance, and if you spend too much time in a hospital (like after a big surgery like this) you can get resistant strands.
Besides, antibiotics are not 100% effective, they take time, and act differently depending on the site of infection and how much infected you are. Inmunosupressed people can get any dumb infection you can think of, and will generally not get common reactions, or in a lower way (no fever, for example), so they will be pretty fucked when you realize it and the AB will be less effective.
Also, just getting sick more often causes stress on the body, you lose a lot of energy, wich means you will get other illneses and it will branch out.
There is a reason old people and kids get vaccines you idiot. Antibiotics are lifesavers and your average person won't have an issue with a standard infection, but people with low inmunity are fucked because the antibiotic will be less effective on top of being sick more often.

And shit, even then, you get the problem with fungus and parasites, wich don't have such a wide variety of options in terms of treatmets. And if the guy has liver or kidney issues, he is just fucked, cause a lot of antibiotics and antifungal medicines fuck them up.

>>132907040
t. mad scientist with no morals beheading people for fun

>>132934237
Also, just in case you don't know, Intrahospital infections are a big deal, kill a good bunch of people per year, and cost a lot of money due to extended hospitalization time. And even if it doesn't kill you, you can get nice sequels for life.

>>132905801
Italians have an eye for detail. If anybody can glue neck nerves together it is them. They have the highest IQ of all legitimate white people. Which. They are.

>>132937346
I dont understand the application of this, though. Heck, donating shit is already kind of odd enough

>>132923419
The body hold the heart. Take away a brain and a person can still be alive. Take away the heart and the person will no longer pump blood and the body will decay. Therefore, the head is the part to be replaced as it cannot survive on its own faggot.

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>mfw I legally murder someone and get away with it

>>132937450
The heart can be replaced by a machine and the body still live.
You're spouting nonsense and I'm off to bed.

>>132905801
It was already done before in the late USSR. The result was useless - head and body "lived" for 36 hours. During this period no sane activity were recorded for ~100 experiments.

>>132906110

Kike virtual rag. Die screaming.

anyone else seen or remember the russian 16mm clips from the 60's or 70's where they have a dogs head attached to a machine pumping blood through the head and it appears the dogs head is still alive?

i thought that shit was fake.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSpiridonoff/videos


here is the youtube channel of guy getting his head off btw.


U can talk to him if u want

>>132913473

You don't get it.
Human experimentation is extremely regulated, this is a golden oportunity to test the technique.

The guy is so close to death that he chose this procedure. It would be a waste to not do it.

>>132938726
That's the issue. The "test" is being done wrong, because they are testing 2 things at the same time. Therefore, if anything goes wrong, you won't know what it was, and therefore, you won't get much data.
And the world is filled with people about to die anyways. But doing bad the investigative method can do more harm than good

>>132905801
The patient is going to die a horrible death. Unbearable pain and instant psychosis; I guarantee it.

>>132907104
>not his DNA
testicle transplant next

>>132939006

Some data > no data

no point in letting the guy go to waste

Who knows, he might even gain a superpower or two

>>132912581
ive had several threads of shitheads archiving gore and gay porn sites and put the links under the news article.
full links from the actual site ensures the validity of the news.
dont fucking waste my time with your meme shill shit, if you want me to respond put on the real link where the article comes from.

>>132939985
Money, reputation, seriusness of the study and ethics. If you don't care about any, ok, go for it, but it's not worth it at all if you care about any of them.
And honestly, the method for fixing the spine is way more useful and important, so I'd rather see it tested alone, as it has way more future than a dumb head transplant. The fact that he doesn't care about that makes me question his sanity / validity of this studies

>>132939300
spot on

>>132908055
Never happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2BxGOdYm8U