Elon Musk's big battery brings reality crashing into a post-truth

>>132876740
Here's the archive
https://archive.is/Yy6U4

>>132876783
Didn't archive this one, faggot!

>>132876480

>>132876740

OK idiot, please die. Won't these batteries carry electricity that was generated by hydrocarbons? Go dig your grave right now and climb in.

if only leftys knew the damage all that lithium causes to the planet they would become nuclear energy activists

Are Boers elite?

>>132877068
If only lefties thought. At all.

>>132876740
>Not telling people that that one battery will cause more pollution than a gas guzzling car does in 50 years

Fuck you.

It's always a good thing having better batteries.
Now the question is, how do you charge it?

>>132877339
With consumers.

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name me one successful musk project. not even commercially successful, just a functional one

so what happens when the battery starts to die? I know it will be multiple smaller batteries so they just switch 1000 when they star failing around the same time?

>>132877339
Just get a couple of friends to help you carry the battery outside and give it 16 to 24 hours to charge via the sun. The best part is the charge will last you all day!!!!

>>132877445

Paypal

>>132877445
paypal?

>>132877445
Here comes butthurt Russia.
Make no mistake, soyuz is a thing of the past.(As is Arianespace, for that matter)

that's good and all but it just isn't enough

to avoid the most dangerous consequences, CO2 emissions would not only have to fall rapidly in the next few years, we would also have negative carbon emissions.

>>132877445
Paypal, Tesla

But muh coal. Muh automated jobs

>>132877445
Paypal

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>>132876740
PAY FOR MY SUBSIDIES

>>132876783
white&based

>>132876740
>inb4 he accidentally shoots himself 5 times in the back of the head.

>>132877169
You fucktards think Elon is a lefty? He's doesn't give a fuck about either side since he knows the robots are coming. The only reason why the state needs retards like you is because they still need people to work. So they play off both sides and occupy you with dumb shit that don't matter. But once the robots are here, people will not be needed anymore. The Technocrats will take over everything.

>implying their is something wrong with this

If every nation could produce it's own renewable power it would absolutely devastate (((them)))

>>132876943
It's a bot. You can find the creator here

voat.co/u/derram

>>132877754

Tesla isn't commercially sucsessful at all.

Whilst batteries for home energy storage is a good idea, battery tech stills needs advances for this to be significant.

>>132877339
Plug it into a wall socket,DUH! It's FREE energy, moron!

>>132877688
>have negative carbon emissions
That's my issue with environmentalist train of though.

>If we stop polluting, it's gonna be fine.

No sir.
If the human race goes extinct this instant, we'll still see temperature rise a lot, because damage is done.

>>132876740
How many acres of land is going to be subjected to placer mining to obtain the lithium and other minerals to manufacture these batteries?

>>132877186
5033 checking in

>>132876740
>create "green" energy company
>get millions of dollars in free subsidies

wooooooooow

>>132877991
On the other hand, you could argue that SpaceX would eventually allow access to basically unlimited supplies of that stuff by asteroid mining.
The musk is thinking ahead of you guys.

>>132878053
are you the fella that lives in-between the brothels in Thebarton?

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>>132877961
I don't understand how this is a response to what I wrote

I was saying we need negative carbon emissions, because the paleoclimate record clearly shows us that with the current concentration of CO2, the sea level will likely equilibrate >24 meters above the present level, as ice sheets and the biosphere continue to respond to the perturbation.

A 22yo came to my door asking me to sign and donate to some cause about renewable energy and also to write a letter to my electric provider because they are allegedly upping prices to bail out uncompetitive coal plants.
I asked for her sources and what she thinks the country should be fueled by and she gave me a classic liberal 1,000 yard stare while giggling and tripping over her words.

I don't really know much about the subject and was genuinely open to being swayed but I've heard Trump talk a lot about deregulating and clean coal and hesitated to sign.
Also what's the deal with fracking? Still a great evil that's going to cause earthquakes corner to corner in the US?

>reinserting the importance of basic reality into a debate
>A large battery is going to put coal out of business
????
Genuinely do not see how they could come off so smug in this article

>>132878234
It's not, it's actually an agreement.
Responses don't have to be a counterargument.

>>132878337
Ah, I see. I thought the "sir" in your post was me.

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>>132878222
Close but no cigar

>>132877927
You explicitly said it just had to function

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>>132876740
>lithium
>green

>>132878420
It's fine, maybe this will help me word my phrases more carefully in the future.
But most likely, it won't.

>>132878447
ah, I know you.
I like your bike and the pic of it near a sheep.

>>132878481
What are you trying to tell? Muh coal is better?

>>132876740
Wait for glass batteries. They will outperform lithium ion batteries by an order of magnitude wiyhout the risk of combustion due to crystallization.

>>132878316
It will until everyone realizes that the battery is in south africa and niggers will rip it apart for scrap money.

Seriously Elon musk is not a genius if he can't forsee nigs going for gibs forcibly in the worst continent on the planet.

>>132876740

100 MWh is bugger fuck all, if you actually use it to buffer renewables (ie. deep cycle each night) you have to write it off in a year too.

>>132878609
Hydroelectric dam storage is better

>>132878609
No, the mining for lithium can cause damage to the environment, and where will the energy for the battery come from?

>>132876740
Theres not enough lithium in the world to replace gasoline engine cars let alone do any kind of energy storage. Energy storage is shit anyway but it makes way more sense do it wuth pressurized air or flywheels or hydrogen. Any sort of battery based energy storage for anything more thsn personal household use is a joke barring some kind of new technology t.engineer

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>>132878554
Yes, that was a Pony

>>132876740
>/pol/ BTFO
as if majority of /pol/ users think big corps abusing the flow of information to protect their own revenue is a good thing.

>>132878289
Fracking is the cleanest way we have to get natural gas (the cleanest fossil fuel) on a mass-scale. Lefties will still oppose though because they think building a solar field the size of Connecticutt is so much more pratical

>>132876740
>Elon Musk's big battery brings reality crashing into a post-truth world
Yes, I think it will indeed bring reality crashing into somebody, and I think that somebody will be YOU. Battery technology is weak, expensive, and extremely polluting. Musk can promise whatever he wants and retards like you will lap it up, but he cannot actually deliver. "Renewables" haven't taken off because they just don't work. They are not up to our society's needs.

>>132877072

Elon Musk isn't a Boer. He's a Jew whose family happens to be from South Africa.

His family also happens to have been one of the many Jewish ZA families that became fabulously wealthy following the collapse of RSA. Why? Because they were part of the engineered collapse of RSA and the subsequent pennies on the rand buyout of formerly state-owned businesses.

Go figure.

>>132877445
Name me one successful thing Russia has ever done other than make life shitty for as many people of the world that they can?

>>132876982

No... it's connected to a wind farm

>>132877584
>>132877640
>>132877754
>>132877798

he said functional. have fun getting your money stolen by (((paypal))) if you make a transaction of over $100

>>132878609
>still haven't figured out how to recycle lithium, thus creating a huge amount of waste once they reach their EOL
>lithium mines are just as "green" as copper mines, causing irreversible damage to the environment

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>>132879053
He's not a Jew.

>>132877584

Musk bought PayPal. He didn't start it or make it successful.

>>132879027
Yes, I'm sure his team are just full of shit an haven't tested a fucking thing at all over this.

Nope.
They are just winging it, flying blind, hit or miss, maybe it will work, maybe it won't who knows right. ;^)

to give all you faggots some back ground.
South Australia only generates solar and wind power now, they also get top ups from coal power stations in other states.
Last year several high voltage transmission lines blew over in a storm cutting the most populous part of the state off and the increased load requirement from interstate fucked up some inter-connectors and the whole state went dark for 6 or more hours.
Next time something fuck ups and knocks out the power connectors we will have 6billionxAA battery's to keep the power on.
they are also now building a small natural gas power plant for back up because some faggots do not understand Murphy's Law.

>>132879081
classical music

>>132877269
>Fuck you.
In fact it's eight years, not fifty. One of your magic batteries results in more CO2 during production than a typical gasoline engine produces in eight years.

Lefties just don't like to hear reality. The thing holding back renewables is that they SUCK ASS. Invent something better and the world will change. Blaming "big oil" for the laws of physics is delusional leftist bullshit.

>>132878479

That's wan't me though, look at the IDs.

>>132879081

>thread's redditor can't let insults to his LE BASED SCIENCE MAN slide

every single thread

>>132879236
>Invent something better and get killed by CIA/Mossad

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>>132877445
Hair transplant.

>>132876783
>BASED Viking Archive anon.

Also how to archive?

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>>132878554
Where are you ?

>>132876943
>it's a bot
>Yes it did

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>>132876740
Ask him where he got the lithium and solar panels. Upon discovering it was china go have a look at how green it is.

I wonder what he isn't telling us about the battery. How much toxic waste will be produced in making and disposing of them? How much petrochemicals will be needed to fully charge one? How much will be needed to create 'green alternatives, like solar and wind to power a cell? How much will it cost?

>>132879196

Yes he is and yes his family is. But go ahead and take some Snopes-level picture as "proof" if that floats your boat.

>>132876740
"guys if we build a really big battery it'll hold a lot of electricity"
No shit, but how much is my power bill going to go up when you assholes install this shit? i'm already paying out the ass for electricity that literally is generated by burning garbage (western NY here)

Is Elonslife in danger?

>>132876740
> believing in his shit

>>132876740

i wasnt listening very attentively but i thought i heard them say on the radio it would only last 15 years and then have to be replaced.

>>132878744
Learn to read cunt it's in south Australia

>>132876740
Elon Musk is the greatest spin doctor on the planet, it's pure coincidence that his biggest scam actually worked.

>>132876740

politicians lie?

say it ain't so.

Also renewable is a long way off replacing worlds energy production entirely, supplementing it, yes, replacing it, no, not yet.

>>132879012
Are they making any headway with the practices of fracking? It's still painted as capitalism in a nutshell where making money is more important than the environment and that fat cats will see flames spewing from ever faucet in America before they stop the practice.

>>132879515
Niagara power authority master race here

>>132876982

A giant battery might wean us from fossil fuels if it is connected to a bunch of cheap solar panels in the middle of the Australian desert.

The main problem is making the battery reliable enough. Even if it isn't perfectly reliable, it could be modular, with sub-batteries that can be swapped out and reprocessed into new batteries without needing any more lithium. I don't know how effective this is right now. If Tesla can make it work, it will solve a lot of problems.

>>132876740
>they said it was impossible, now we have a new technology that makes it possible! this means they are retroactively liars!

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>>132879697
He'll be in his villa on Mars by then. You're on your own bogan.

>>132877072
He's an *nglo subhuman

>>132879505
Well where's your proof?

>>132880008
>On his father's side he is part Afrikaner (long ago Dutch who moved to Africa) and British and a little bit of French Huguenot. He grew up in South Africa. His mother (Haldeman) is Canadian of English and some German background.

>>132876740
So... what should it prove? That Musk can make big batters? And lithium-ion? Really?

>>132876740
>renewables

Fairly confident that lithium isn't renewable.

>>132879953
>that afro nigger checking out the woman's butt

no, race mixing is wrong!

>>132876740
greatest con artist of our time, it's really interesting, I can see he's passionate about what he does, but come on - none of it's sustainable and SpaceX is pretty much a NASA daughter company

>>132879470
There are lithium mines in australia

>>132880194
It got made once, it can get made again.

>>132876740
>using high grade tech from the 70's look at me guys


kys

>>132876982
>Won't these batteries carry electricity that was generated by hydrocarbons?

Lol thanks for playing, sit down please.

>>132880194
I wonder when it will finally bite humans that we need to recycle every gram of lithium.

The greenest way to conserve energy is to replace cashiers with checkout machines. This goes for all the other simpleton jobs as well.

>>132879236
>>132877269

>In fact it's eight years, not fifty. One of your magic batteries results in more CO2 during production than a typical gasoline engine produces in eight years.

Except that this battery serves thousands of people and that one car served maybe a half dozen. Emissions aren't something we can curb completely, we just have to try to be as efficient as possible.

The problem with batteries is they are expensive and degrade relatively fast.

A large percentage of the cost of Australian electricity bills are going towards infrastructure, this will only make the price of electricity rise.

I live in SA. He wants to build a 100MW battery bank.

The generation capacity here is currently about 4500MW. This thing cannot run the state, it's something of a gimmick unless they plan to make it a lot bigger over time.

And as for clean? Have you seen where the minerals to create all of these wind turbines, solar panels, and batteries come from? The most disgusting polluted places on the planet.

I hope they are going to write into the deal somehow that the batteries will be replaced by local built ones. We have the minerals here and could do with a kickstart to a new tech industry to use them. The mining industry is huge and well developed and could change over or expand to mine these rare earths with ease.

>>132879906
We aren't putting solar panels in the desert, which is a pretty fucking long way from Adelaide. We're putting them on our homes. If you own a home and chuck some panels on the roof you get a significant rebate on your power bill.

The state has 30% of the worlds Uranium resource, and huge amounts of coal and gas, but we pay the highest prices in the world for power due to this scheme.

why not do the double dam battery or whatever they are called where you pump when you create excess energy and generate when you dont?

>>132878552
are you the frog that asked me about the West Antarctic ice sheet a while ago?

>>132877068
God bless you fellow britbong. Nuclear is the future, meltdowns and all be damned.
Small price to pay for clean energy.

>>132880675
A battery this small will not replace the power production, it will just shave the peaks, reducing number of generators on running standby.

>>132876740
You think Arab land is bad now imagine when we don't need their oil. Cuckland will become a caliphate

>>132880818
Redpill me on the west Antarctic ice sheet? Is it ogre? Should I press F?

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>>132877927

Looks pretty damn successful to me.

>>132880460
lol what, can say the same about rubber tires

>>132880624
>Except that this battery serves thousands of people and that one car served maybe a half dozen.
You do know that those batteries don't last forever? They are still going to be driven by a single driver, talking about Teslas

When it comes to this big one, I'm really wondering what he wants to achieve with it - how is he going to actually give energy to the battery - from what source?

South straya already has one of the highest energy prices in the world, but hey - at least Musk is changing the world and shit!

>>132876740
It's literally nothing more then what is in your phone. It's just big.

Ermagawd bigger is beta

>>132876740
>will

What if The Guardian is proven wrong?

>>132881000
>LOOK AT THIS GRAPH I AM AN EXPERT BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
Fucking idiot

>>132880152

I wonder who could be behind this post?

Here's an idea, go search "Elon Musk Jewish" and count how many Jewish business journals have Elon Musk stories that are now 404. Or go look at the Wikipedia edit history. Or go figure out what schools he attended and what the attendance requirements were. Or try to track down his RSA national service number and then explain why he was magically exempt from *any* service requirements ... here's a hint: he had a religious exemption and, no, being a Huguenot didn't qualify but could get you in an non-arms jam-stealing position if you were so inclined.

Or do nothing and keep on drinking the kool-aid.

>>132881004
>You do know that those batteries don't last forever?
Yes but so long as they're helping people by the thousands/millions, it's still a better move.
>how is he going to actually give energy to the battery - from what source?
Solar and Wind iirc

>>132876740
What people don't realize is that oil is a renewable, the best one we got actually.

>>132880675
>The state has 30% of the worlds Uranium resource, and huge amounts of coal and gas, but we pay the highest prices in the world for power due to this scheme.
It's goddamn sad, for all the potential you're living like some poor ex-sov country with no energy of it's own, besides Hydroelectrical, and has to rely on foreign nat-gas prices

>>132880818
I don't think so, what about it?

>>132881000
>muh stocks
gg

>Make really big battery
>Coal and Diesel btfo
???

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>>132879906
Cheap solar panels are chinese, where waste products are often just dumped directly into the water or atmosphere. Pic related, solar panel factory waste dumping in china.

Compounds include
>hydrochloric acid
>cadmium (toxic and cancer causing)
>selinium, gallium, indium (all toxic at even low levels)
>nitrogen triflouride (a greenhouse gas 17,000 times more potent than CO2)
and sulphur hexaflouride (greenhouse gas 28,000 times more potent than CO2)

But once it gets to the western world it looks sleek and shiny with friendly plant shaped logos and is advertised as an emission free way to generate power. So the greenies buy it and pat themselves on the back for saving the planet whilst plants in china continue to dump hundreds of thousands of tons of serious pollutants into the environment to keep the lucrative green energy fantasy alive.

>>132881000
so was berny madoff once

>>132880888
Currently at the peaks we have blackouts. I don't think 100MW will fix that. By next summer they would have probably installed that much in new solar panels and wind turbines anyway.

Another funny thing is the vast majority of houses here have natural gas plumbed to them to power the stove and the water heating, and sometimes the heater. Which are the main users of energy in a home.

When the blackouts come it's in summer, because everyone has air conditioning on.

>>132876740
>big
>trivial increase
Lol ok

>>132881167

He's talking about car batteries, you're talking about OP battery.

t.literate person

>>132881191
Australia and Canada are really bad for that. We're swimming in ungodly amounts of natural resources and don't do a god damn thing with them.

>>132881168
True. I would like oil for the power grid and battery for electric cars only. Why the world disagrees is beyond me. Wind and solar farms are disastrous and not to mention the production of solar panels is a waste.

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>>132881304
I think the real question is: how much coke and mentos would it take to get to Mars?

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>>132881000

>>132881454
No he isn't.

t. person with actual eyes.

>>132881167
>people by the thousands/millions
except they won't, they will at best store a small bit

>Solar and Wind iirc
wow, a real trailblazer then - a first in the world, I'd pay a hefty sum to see a country live off two absolute scams and not collapse

good luck watching
>birds die
>environment ruined due to mineral extraction
>country fall into a deep abyss of darkness, when none of the 2 give enough energy, and the small battery will give fuck all in output

>>132881304
>Make really big battery
>All cars now run on electricity, no more need for fossile fuel
>Need 10.000 more coal fueled powerplants to supply cars with electricity

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>>132876740
Can they at least built it before they start claiming it a success?

I wish I could explain the political bullshit that is occuring in Australia in relation to renewable energy.

South Australia last year had a blackout of the majority of the state, >1.7 million people due to not having enough base load power.

Their coal plants were shutdown because they could not compete with subsidised wind and solar. The state made up for lost electricity by importing it from interstate. But the interconnector failed during a storm and the blackout occured. This actual critically damaged a zinc smelter because the contents of the smelter solidified.

Post the blackout there were several deliberate rolling blackouts and there was not enough capacity to meet demand.


The thing is, the politicians and their adherents will passionately deny that the reliance on renewable energy was to blame. They point their finger at the storm. It was the storm they say. The power lines fell down.

It's getting worse. More coal plants are closing across Australia. The wholesale cost of electricity is rising by over 100% a year. But still the fuckers are persisting, they don't want to admit they were wrong.

Buying the battery is about elitists making a show to the poor bastards who are contending with the high prices and the blackouts. The politics are saying look, we care, we are taking action to help, this purchase of a giant battery proves that we are helping. It is clear evidence of our efforts. So they are patting themselves on the back for their expenditure of public money, meanwhile further coal plants are closing and further manufacturers are shutting down due to high energy costs.

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>>132878447
! ! ! Helmet
Why would you do this

>>132876740
THEY SAID I COULDN'T DO IT
THEY SAID RENEWABLE ENERGY WASN'T ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AND WINDMILLS AND SOLAR PANELS NEVER PAY FOR THEMSELVES
WELL HERE IT IS: A BIG FUCKING BATTERY
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY NOW COAL CONSORTIUM!?

>>132881467
We sell them to china, who uses them to pump out these "green" technologies in their factories. It all works out more profit for the businesses than just making them here, but it's bad for local employment. SA has a high unemployment and high energy cost, so they knock down a power plant and close a car factory. It's short sighted profit seeking from men who will retire shortly.

>>132881350
If it's so grim, battery will definitely help.
Not reduce costs but at least prevent blackouts.
Hooking up a battery that can provide 100MW at peak is much cheaper than building a new power station that can generate 100MW and then keep it on running standby, with lots of people on salary inside it.

>>132876740
4chan is dead

>>132881731
How depressing

>>132881878
why are is your battery tech so 1970?

>>132881701
No because Tesla is Enron 2.0.

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>>132880962
>>132881248

for the WAIS it looks like it's already over

this goes back to a hypothesis by John Mercer, called the "Marine ice sheet instability hypothesis", which says that ice sheets like the WAIS that are grounded below sea level are inherently unstable.

This hypothesis was confirmed by observation in the recent past, not only in smaller ice shelfs like Larsen, but also in parts of the WAIS itself.

Satellite radar altimetry from the glaciers in the Amundsen sea sector showed an accelerated retreat of the grounding lines. According to glaciologists, this retreat seems to be irreversible and cartography of the underlying bed shows that there are no obstacles (like mountains) left that would stop the sea water from draining the entire West Antarctic basin.

>>132879236
Keep sucking that oil industry cock you useful idiot

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>>132876740
>implying fossil fuels are the truth

>>132877445

He is the Howard Hughes of our time.

>>132879893
To my knowledge the Niagara power largely goes to canada because it can be sold for more up there. i could be wrong

>>132881932
100MW is fuck all in terms of generating capacity lad.

>>132881557

(((Goldman)))

>>132881932

One thing I don't really like however is that they use lithium batteries and not lead. Lead batteries (I shit you not) are very clean compared to lithium. Only problem is they are heavy. Not a serious limitation if you have them in a special building.

Only people that benefit from using lithium batteries for smart grid distributed power storage is lithium battery producers and consumers.

>>132882105
no he is the tech berny madoff

>>132876740

They weren't lying that the tech was not mature enough.

MUSK matured it. Not it's usable, and solar is a real option.

Fuck journalists.

>>132879012
The problem with your Connecticut sized solar plant is loction. Putting one in the mojave desert is a no brainer. Unfortunately, it would only power the surrounding states. So, the south west gets solar, the northeast get nuclear and the midwest gets wind power.

>>132881349

Madoff investment were never publicly traded.

>>132882096
>LALALAA I CANT HEAR YOUUUU NOOOPE LITHIUM BATTERIES ALL THE WAY

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>>132882081
So new beachfront vacation resort in Antarctica soon?

>>132882226
>no he is the tech berny madoff

Howard Hughes was the tech Madoff. What use was the Spruce Goose?

Daily reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU7FuAswPW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU7FuAswPW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU7FuAswPW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU7FuAswPW0

>>132879082
Where does the energy used to smelt the enormous amounts of metal required to build a turbine? What about the fuel required to ship the parts? What about the energy used to mine the metals?
Do the math sometime, wind turbines require a massive amount of fuel and barely break even on power generation during their lifetime.

>>132881336
>selinium, gallium, indium (all toxic at even low levels)

Fucking moron. Gallium and Indium are non-toxic, their salts not very toxic. Selinium doesnt even exist. Selenium is vital for human life in trace amounts.

Tl,dr you're a moron with no understanding of science

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>>132881000
OVERVALUED

>>132876740
Why would anyone on /pol/ support dependency on the oil and gas industries over the independence of solar?

So glad I got out of oil when I did. Deep water oil is dying a painful death

>>132881932
They're still in the process of demolishing a 1,280 MW gas plant as we speak.

If you're a home owner all good, you buy the solar panels. But everyone else feels the sting of high prices.

Don't get me wrong, wages here are good and people live well. I'm on like 35 bucks an hour and have no trouble paying the power bill even though I know it's the highest in the world. But a lot of guys don't have jobs. There's just not enough for everybody

>>132876740
He didn't prove anyone wrong. He didn't innovate the battery, he just made it bigger. Li Ion is giant bombs, I'd be skeptical of bigger Li Ion batteries

>>132876740
Yeah somewhere else recently used one of musk batteries. Cost 3 million per home. 3 fucking million!

It's idiocy!!!!

I'd love to have cleaner energy as much as the next guy but we just aren't there yet and we have no guarantee we will ever get there or if it's possible

>>132877068

Lefties cannot into logic.

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We shift to electric cars we're just going to juice the natural gas and coal plants for all their worth. Plus we'll probably go back to using oil power generation plants to make up the difference.

>>132881557
elon himself said the stock is overvalued...
shitty specualtion isn't his fault.

i guess many people like to bet on the success of model 3.... if he sorts the battery production issues they could be right. still not a bed i would make at this price...

>>132882178
It's still like a small power plant.
It provides same benefits on this small scale but much cheaper.

They cannot scale it up because then it's not going to be price efficient, you still do need energy to charge it.

>>132876740
Bump

>>132882749
It's funny because it looks like as technology progresses we might revert back to Edisons vision of many small plants as opposed to large ones transmitting power over vast distances

>>132876943
>implying he is lightning fast
>>132878041

>>132882007
NEVER MIND THAT
BUY MY CARS THEY'RE REALLY QUIET
THE FUTURE IS GREEN

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>>132879082
>wind farm made out of millions of dollars of engineered materials requiring millions of tons of hydrocarbons to produce and maintain, and generating pollution to the surrounding land and water
>wind farms not even enough to make up even 25% of our energy use as our energy demands increase exponentially
>wind farms that harm native bird populations and create sound and visual polution to the local residents

>>132880194
We'll be able to make it in fusion reactors soon

>>132882538
Because Trump says they're good. That's literally the only reason; fags here don't have an actual position besides what big daddy Trump and his manlet BF Putin tell them.

>>132880883
We've come a long way from up-scaled submarine nuclear reactors and water boiling.

>>132876740
Fucking commie premier of south australia at it again, they need a liberal state government like Sweden needs right wing deathsquads

>>132879287

>no proper comeback from the snownigger

Russia is AIDS, I hope Russia gets nuked.

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>>132876740
>BUY MY TESLA NOW YOU BIGOT!

>>132878222
Tfw I want live between brothels

>>132879081
Sputnik

>>132882976
>>132883092

>>132882405
literally you

>>132881004
>South straya already has one of the highest energy prices in the world
correction, we now have the highest electricity prices in the world
my grandma can't afford to heat her house and just sits in the cold she is going to die any day because of it (it's the middle of winter here)

>>132883280

I didn't say anything about science you disgusting slavshit?

And I've never been to reddit, checkmate idiot.

>>132879219
Alinta decommissioned and blew up the old coal station in the gutter fucking quick aswell. Wtf was going on, what didnt they want us to see.

>>132877068
SA news is pretty redpilled on the topic, there is definitely some fighting going on behind the scenes over the energy future.

This video has been on the 6 oclock news talking about how this is where solar panels and wind turbines and batteries etc come from, with a breakdown of how many tons of rare earth they take

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UdqZdFr-w&ytbChannel=tim%20maughan

>>132879697
It's not worth the cost.

>>132883294
If you live in the NW or have land out there you can probably get some natural gas. Companies that drill on your land typically provide you with power for free.

>>132883400
Sure, Genghis Khan ;)

BIG BATTERY COCK

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>>132882320
kind of, but if you're look for something closer to home, you should direct your attention to Greenland, where the news aren't much better

although the parts of Greenland that are effected by marine ice sheet instability aren't as large as in WA, some of the major glaciers in Greenland, that themselves alone hold more than 1m of sea level rise (Zachariae Isstrom and Jakobshavn Isbrae in particular) have lost their ice shelfs and as a result have sped up in ther flow.
In one sense, Greenland is even more threatened than WAIS, because the Arctic is subject to a strong ice-albedo feedback.

I would also add that this isn't just an academic exercise: all of this is strongly supported by the paleoclimate record. Geologists have for example found cosmogenic isotopes in the bedrock in the center of Greenland, which suggests that major parts of Greenland (with the exception of the Easter part) were deglaciated for extended periods in the Pleistocene, which would mean that Greenland is far less stable than was previously thought.

>>132882081
That's interesting, because, basically, orbits and stuff position earth in a way where southern ice sheet should hold itself pretty stong.
If even this shit is failing...

>>132882741
This. TSLA is a great concept, but it's been ruined by faggots worshipping the stock and throwing all of daddy's money into it as some sort of activist investing.

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>>132877849
>You fucktards think Elon is a lefty?

Elon isn't fucking guardian.

>>132877445
>name me one successful musk project. not even commercially successful, just a functional one

PayPal, SpaceX and his cult of personality, he has replaced Steve Jobs as the corporate cult leader for urban hipsters,

>>132877680
>Make no mistake, soyuz is a thing of the past.(As is Arianespace, for that matter)

Angara is the thing. Idea that SpaceX will kill all other launch providers is silly. Governments will not allow that to happen, they need reliable alternative suppliers for launch services for military payloads. European nations will never buy military launches from Russia and are quite skeptical over US as well.

>>132882976
Using condensed energy over harvesting the power of kinetic wind energy and solar rays is logical. We should be working on Fusion power headstrong but this damn solar craze is everywhere.

>>132880675
Generating and storing your own, getting off the grid is the only way to go green nationwide, make the people responsible for their own electricity generation.
Due to high cost of power in SA this will be the first state it happens en mass

>>132878143

Yeah, like 150 years "eventually".

>>132883776
That's pretty soon.
There may still be even white people in 150 years.

>>132882583
Dude, 35 an hour isn't much. Remember 1 Australian dollar is about 75 US cents and the US dollar is not highly valued right now.

The thing is. Australia could have the cheapest electricity in the world. Easily. You don't even need to have nuclear power. We can have the cheapest by using coal. We have hundreds of years of coal supply.

Instead we are close to having the most expensive in world.

Nothing is being achieved by doing this.

It's all because leftists who assumed the moral high ground by attacking 'climate deniers' do not want to back down. Even when you have a blackout affecting a whole state they just push the propaganda even harder.

They keep pushing the line that renewables are cheaper than coal. OK then, how about removing the subsidies.

They keep pushing the line that power prices are high because governments aren't pro renewable enough. They say because governments don't back renewables hard enough, there is uncertainty which causes price rises.

It is utter bullshit my friend. The question is, how bad is it going to get before people start to wake up?

Nuclear is the best way forward but everyone is terrified of it because of a handful of accidents.
The best way to do it would be to build them in desolate areas, then build hydroelectric storage facilities for the power inter-regionally. Basically pump water uphill with nuclear, then use a dam to tap into the stored power.
But nuclear is scary.

>>132883294
She got a gas oven? Crank that fucker up.

Buy her some thermals to wear, it's really not super cold here, it doesn't get below zero. Not saying it isn't cold sometimes, but thermals and a jacket will go a long way. If you have the means get her one of those down jackets from kathmandu or similar.

.t used to sleep outside in -15 in kiwiland

>>132876740
Ah batteries are not green, lithium ion batteries are toxic to the environment, last three to eight years, and produce more hazardous material when being created than a coal plant. The big problem is what is going to power that battery and charge it. Probably the coal power plants will power that battery that can catch fire and leak hazardous material contaminating the ground. I can't wait for it to catch fire like a Tesla battery

If it was a bio-battery then I would say its green and world breaking invention.

>>132883776
Well yeah.
Hopefully sooner, but even then, that's like a billion % profit.
The thing about asteroid is that they almost everytime consist of little elements.
There is one out there that almost entirely consist of gold, for example.
The reason is because they predate the solar system.
They're remnent of exploding stars, that formed those elements.

>>132877799
bingo

Study came out which found teals batter production emits as much CO2 as 8 years worth of driving a gas car. This renewable energy meme is for the soft-brained. Batteries need rare earth minerals, one of the most toxic manufacturing processes on the planet.

Batteries made by machines of steel. Steel requires fossil fuels. Batteries transported by road, plane, or sea. All made of steel and powered by fossil fuels. Tesla car body made of steel. Asphalt requires fossil fuels. Machines which lay roads made of steel. Fossil fuels are inescapable. Driving an EV is for virtue signaling morons

>>132878609
Coal has lots of other uses after it's burned, Lithium just doesn't.

Whatever this is, is going to be big. We need high quality long lasting batteries that are the size of AA batteries so we can do shit like make iron man suits and shit.

>>132879782
>Learn to read cunt it's in south Australia

So replace niggers with Abos and "scrap money" with "petrol money".

>>132883729
Solar and wind energy is easier to harness and requires little maintenance once setup. The size of solar also allows for home owners to outfit their houses with panels reducing their overall electrical grid footprint.

>>132876740
The most recent production run of Tesla IIIs was lower than expected due to a shortage in batteries. It's still not where it needs to be.

>A 'Severe' Battery Shortage Spiked Tesla’s Car Deliveries in Q2

http://archive.is/AH1UT

>>132881000
>my stock price
>>132881557
goldman sachs usually pumps stuff they want to dump and denigrates stuff they want to buy. That said they do put out good research sometimes and it seems pretty obvious that a company with no profits and an astronomical stock price with plateauing sales would see a huge cut in valuation.

>>132884261
I agree wholeheartedly. This is virtue signaling gone made. Presumably when when the battery doesn't prevent blackouts they will place an order for an even bigger one so that they can signal even more virtue.

>>132883587
>In one sense, Greenland is even more threatened than WAIS, because the Arctic is subject to a strong ice-albedo feedback.
I already started investing in Greenland real estate. It's beautiful. I'm only worried about the long nights in the winter.

Go green and buy my battery! (until the lithium mines run out)
We're fucked either way but I think at least the batteries won't have as many secondary effects on our lives.

>>132879082
Cool story. Wind is not a viable method to get the majority of our energy.

Battery technology is not there yet either.

Musk is a Charlottan. However, one of the few things he has done successfully is further battery technology.

>>132884115
electric oven, thanks for the advice though
she has warm clothes, I mean she can actually afford to pay the electricity bills (and if she couldn't then my parents would pay it for her) but just doesn't use the heating much out of principle I think

>>132884525
Generate your own put nothing back on the grid be self sufficient, and reliance on the global chinese power joo.

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>>132876740
Musk is a transhumanist scumbag demon.
Do not support this degenerate California trash.
Fuck him and his company.

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>>132876740
>Lithium ion battery
>renewable

>>132884261
tesla car bodies are made of aluminum you stupid fucking retard alt right fascist fuckwad. i work at a plant that makes tesla car parts. its fucking aluminum you god damn retarded drumpykin. but then again you are to busy fucknig your sister and drinking beer to have enough time to rub 2 neurons together. betcha u dont even know what that is you high school dropout loser trumpykin lover

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>>132883595
the only region that is widely considered to be very stable is the vast East Antarctic ice sheet (mostly because it's thermally isolated by the circumpolar current).

But there is an ongoing debate between the "dynamicists" and the "stabilists" and there are some interpretations about the melting of the Aurora and Wilkes basins in the Pliocene that suggest that these parts are also susceptible to melt.

But the best way to consider is to look at the previous interglacial only 120 000 years ago:
At that time, sea level was between 6 to 9 meters higher than today (3 to 4 meters coming from the WAIS, while the rest comes from Greenland). Scandinavia was an island at that time!

And that happened in response to temperatures that were just a few tenths of a degree warmer than today.

>>132883597
when the stock price does crash and TSLA is forced to listen to hostile takeover bids, it should be a great redpilling of the eco-normies.

>>132883857
Fuck mate it might not seem that much to you but it's a bit more than I got across the ditch. Sorry for pinching one job.

I agree, we could and should have some of the lowest prices in the world. But people won't wake up while they live this comfortably. If we end up running all on solar and wind and shit it will be neat I guess, IF we were to produce the shit here. We have everything we need, the minerals, the industry, the workforce. But of course they would make less profit because we won't work for fuck all, so they'll let us stew while they go about their plan, knowing we won't die, maybe we'll have a couple grand less in the pocket per year and grizzle but in the end they'll sell it as world first successful transition, and keep selling the coal and gas and uranium overseas. What are the numbers on the last increase? Waiting for my next bill to see what it will be.

>>132876982
Main problem with renewables is power storage.

Unlike fossile fuels which can produce steady amounts of electricity as need renewables are less dependable. Power excess power needs to be stored for times when the solar/wind farm isn't producing enough. That means batteries.

>>132884552
I think part of the motivation for the batteries here is that our wind farms produce electricity best at night when nobody really needs it, so maybe their plan is to charge up the batteries every night when there's a surplus and then release it during the day

>>132884115
It's below zero where I am, and how retarded do you have to be to burn gas open in a house to keep warm, there is a reason why gas heaters have flumes.

>>132884105
Do you think nuclear power is a good idea for countries like south africa? Because that seems to be where the world is headed. Maybe it's not a great idea to create this *potentially* dangerous tech and then leave it to the offspring of dysgenic charity cases...

>>132884533
I have even more good news for you:
when you're in Greenland, you don't even have to worry about sea level, because it will actually FALL in close range to the ice sheets because of the way the crust rebounds from the mass loss.

>>132884756
What type of Aluminum alloy?

>>132884872
You can store power with hydroelectric dams for load switching, its relatively trivial but it requires a lot of land and thus capital investment. Its also ugly.

>>132884756
What's the frame made from?

>>132884979
Ancient Musk secret

>>132884824
Australia is heading for serious economic problems due to its indebtedness. The solution is to deregulate and reduce the size of government. All this expenditure is coming from borrowed money.

>>132877072
>South Australia

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>>132877961
>No sir.
If the human race goes extinct this instant, we'll still see temperature rise a lot, because damage is done.

Temperatures have been dropping for 10 years

>>132885016
This is actually a really good idea but completley unfeasible in south australia the state has no water and would require daming limited agricultural land in the state and then pumping sea water kilometers to the dam.

Pumped hydro is the best battery there is. Totally mature industry (150 yrs). Eternally renewable, green, and flexible enough to accommodate wind or solar. The copper and steel in the pumps and generators are already mined and can be recycled endlessly.
http://archive.is/5G9bl

>>132884947
As long as first world countries control the supply of enriched uranium and only enrich it to reactor grade I have zero problems with it.

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>>132884908
They don't all have flumes my friend, and here I am still alive after getting dressed in front of one of these fuckers almost every winter morning before scraping half an inch of ice off the car window and trying to get to work without sliding into a ditch.

On ya for getting below zero though, in the hills? I love the winters here they're cold and fresh but without the inconveniences such as roads blocked with snow, ice over everything, frozen pipes or dunny water etc.

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Why lithium ion and not many capacitors?

>>132885447
TSLA doesn't manufacture capacitors....

>>132884105
>Nuclear is the best way forward but everyone is terrified of it because of a handful of accidents.
personally I really wish south australia would go for nuclear power as a long term investment
we have ridiculous amounts of totally unused land where building a nuclear plant would be safe
the problem is that all our industry has already closed up shop because of the high running costs
since there is no industry, there is not enough demand to justify the cost of a nuclear plant
if we had nuclear though, we could sell power to the eastern states, and we could invite industry back in with the prospect of cheap energy

>>132885241
The issue is the states privatised their infrastructure in a country that doesnt have enough competition to deliver cheaper than the state. Our duopolies have too much control over the market.

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>>132876740
green is the 3rdworldisation of western technology.The future is nuclear cuck.

>>132884872
>see 132885370

>>132885327
Once you get the large amount of water inland it's not as big of a problem as you would think. You can use empty ground water reservoirs to store it and have very small losses to evaporation and other concerns. Hell with enough nuclear generation capacity you can desalinate and terraform inland australia.

>>132885145
I got a laugh out of that

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>>132876740
lol. You green faggots are so pathetic. The very first sentence of this shitty article had me laughing."Elon Musk’s agreement to build the world’s largest battery for South Australia isn’t just an extraordinary technological breakthrough that signs coal’s death warrant"

Are you fucking kidding me? I honestly have no clue what goes through the average greenies brain. Some large battery isn't going to affect the use of coal at all.

>>132885249
Only australian war criminal convicted, was a south australian done in for killing Boers

>>132885542
Why not? It seems like a reasonable solution.

>>132885796
kek

>>132885895
Well this news article written because of Musk.. the article wouldn't have been written if it involved some other company producing super-capacitors. I agree, the best solution should be used, ideally without taxpayer subsidies going to a cult of personality

>>132882476
faggot its a long-term investment

>>132885741
The issue is most of the state is dead flat no trees, the mountain ranges where this plan would be most efficient are prime agricultural land. The rest of the state has no topsoil and is literal desert. Even with fresh water from desal it wouldn't transform as there are no nutrients in the soil. Also evaporation would be the biggest killer, the largest lakes in australia are all in SA and theyre all salt pans. You underestimate how fucked the state is.

>>132886160
You do realize it is a barely break even energy investment without considering replacement parts right?

>>132886160
>long-term investment
>Li-ion technology
li-ion cells don't even have a shelf life of 10 years when unused, let alone used heavily. This is not a long-term investment. The battery tech will be scrapped probably within 10 years, and either some new eco-scam will replace it, or they'll wise up and create some real infrastructure.

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>Renewable energy, which obviously wins on emissions, is now beating coal on cost.

This was from the article. Why is it perfectly OK for lefties to continually tell this lie? I've seen it in tons of articles. Do they have literally no understanding of how the world works? If renewable actually were cheaper than coal, everyone would be using renewable and no one would be using coal. No one uses coal because we love coal, we use it because it's cheap and it works. These fucking people.

>>132886238
Yeah after I made that post I realized that most of your inland land is salty as fuck with shitty soil. Evap wouldnt be a concern if you have large empty or drained ground water reservoirs though.
In the southwest US the depletion of ground water is a pretth big concern, we should really open desalination plants and fix our ground water supply but there would be too much opposition to it.

>>132886576
California seceding when?

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>>132876740
>batteries

If we are going to replace air pollution with ground pollution anyways, why not just go nuclear? It's already viable and at least ISN'T a dead end technology.

>>132880194
Who is claiming otherwise?

>>132878143
Only if he builds a launch loop or space fountain. rockets are shit tier

>>132876740
His batteries are already out of date. By the time his Nevada factory is up and running, its tech will be 2 generations of battery behind.

>>132886526
If they actually wanted to change something theyd be focused on pushing sanctions against Chinaand India(the largest polluters the world by a staggering margin).
If every westerner migrated to clean energy tomorrow, it wouldnt even put a dent in the problem created by China and India.

>>132886292
ITT people hating on musk for being a businessman for flogging his product.
Nobody is criticising south Australia's state government which has had communist in power since 2002.

>>132885241
lol ... sure remove the pavement and the roads while you are at it..

>>132886841
Battery tech hasnt changed much in around 50 years. Unless there is a major breakthrough in materials science what we've got is the outer limit for battery technology.

>>132876740
Planet needs to use less energy period. Using batteries instead of fossils isnt gonna change much.
People are stupid and politicians are corrupt lairs.

>>132886923
I'm not hating on Musk at all, he's great at what he's doing.

>>132879212
Musk is a giant welfare queen. He's taking advantage of Lefty political ideology to pressure the government into giving him taxpayer money to fund his various inventions.
If they were viable, he'd be able to attract actual investors(including big fossil fuels companies who would want to capture competing energy suppliers). But they aren't viable, so he can't get investors and instead relies on the autistic screeching of environmentalists to pressure politicians into funding his businesses.

>>132884456
Im fine with solar rooftops as long as theirs no industrial battery bank.

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>>132886939
Subsidize these? I'm in

>>132887310
wat?

>>132886576
Our biggest ground water supply is fucking huge and is pure as fuck, its an untapped resource. The csg guys want to frack the shale oil above it. Which would undoubtedly poison the fresh water in the country with fuck all fresh water.
Honestly agree with the nuclear option, keep our fresh water fresh, keep the coal shit down, and store grief nations nuclear waste that dont have the room for an exorbitant price.

>>132887428
Look up Musks solar rooftops project. He wants to install huge battery banks like the one in this article.

>make battery that isn't actually denser, more efficient, or in any shape or way better than current solutions
>people cream themselves

What the fuck is wrong with people?

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>>132886729
>If we are going to replace air pollution with ground pollution anyways, why not just go nuclear? It's already viable and at least ISN'T a dead end technology.

When we have cheap high density batteries we open up a lot of new technologies. Usable mobile robotics, electric powered vehicles and wearable technology. The powers that be are pouring money into batteries for this and many of these highly publicised 'projects' are just short term ways of keeping enough money in the industry to get to where they want to be in the end.

>>132887423
wtf is that? is that a tacoma?

>>132887423
What are we subsidising mate, the tyres the diesel or the whole Toyota fourby

>>132887636
>not reading the filename
toyota land cruiser

>>132887636
That's a LANDCRUISER,
what the fuck is a Tacoma?

>>132886866
This, but because most economies of globalist countries rely on cheap chinese sweatshops, energy and production, will never happen in our lifetimes

>>132887490
I worked in fracking for awhile.
It's solid tech, but accidents happen.
Do you know much about how fracking is executed? By the way most of the things you hear about groundwater contamination are eco-warrior scare tactics.

>>132887792
I think they're called helix in the rest of the world? anyway, nice truck. is it turbo'd?

>>132882487
>t. an retard
In trace amounts, yes selenium is a micronutrient. In the amounts emitted from manufacturing in China it's quite toxic.

>>132877068
A Llthium battery is a great non-firearm device that can cause a lot of havoc if wanting to crewte a fire or an explosion.

>>132887621
I want a balcony overlooking a windy cityscape... that isn't a crime ridden hell hole..

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>>132887423
Tfw can only afford gutlux

>>132887886
It would be a turbo v8 diesel theyre undrivable without the turbo.

>>132877902
I don't have a voat account. Or a discord. Or whatever else people are claiming other than a twitter with 15 followers last I checked.

>>132887559
and where is the problem...
having a small bank at home would make you independent from smaller problems in the grid...

the larger banks on the ohter hand help to stabelize grids where no other means are feasable (pumped storage hydro powerstations etc.)
it's not a solution to all problems but it's a good soulution for some of them.

>>132887490
>Oil
>Above groundwater
That's not how reservoirs work

>>132876982
That's not even the real problem

>drive car with huge battery
>large amounts of lithium, cadmium and lots of unpleasant chemicals
>high speed crash
>lithium ignites
>huge fireball and environmental disaster

>>132876740
>muh elon musk

they always have to slobber over some tech guy while 1M other tech guys do real work

>>132887796
Whats funny is that India and China cannot stop building coal plants, since their population and energy demands keep growing exponentially. If China and India migrate to a first world lifestyle the Earth is fucked and theres nothing anyone can do about it.

God this faggot is such a hack. Lithium batteries are not renewable or """""Green"""""

>>132888328
This is true. Nuclear is the only option for them, theyre at max cappacity

>>132888207
Just do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ieFZI4-6K8&ytbChannel=Angry%20Ram

>>132888263
I want to see this kind of crash. It would make for some great dashcam/youtube footage.

>>132877814
Except now is the time the tables flip. They even have quantum computers now- D WAVE. New technologies are gonna come soon, and i mean like ps1-ps2 difference

>>132888343
yeah... and they don't produce electricity... doe he's such an idiot.

oh wait... it's not about producing green energy but about storing it.

>>132877186
5158.

We're full.

>>132887490
>The csg guys want to frack the shale oil above it.
But... how? Fracking shale oil is like sawing you are going to frack coal. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

>>132888522
They couldn't build nuclear plants fast enough or cheap enough as it stands. They are stuck on a wild ride they can't get off of.
But hell, at least Australia and USA can export coal to them and make plenty of $$$.

>>132888641
You mean
We're heaps fucked

>>132888207
The problem is it isnt sustainable. The only reason i shill out for electric cars is to cut down on smog but i wont excuse a battery bank. Musk needs to stick to what hes rich for and that is cars.

>>132888641
Also it would seem south Australians make up the majority of auspol shitposter is this because there is no work and theyre all living the NEET lifestyle

>>132888720
If you pull the brine out from coal seam gas reservoirs and fracture them you get a shit ton of natural gas.

Infinite Energy Joke

https://youtu.be/Z8yW5cyXXRc

>>132888522
And you've seen the elevator/escalator videos in China.
Apply that to nuclear plants.

>>132888263
in terms of total energy storage I would expect a standard car with a full tank of petroleum to have more than some little electric car that can only do short trips before needing a recharge
so in theory an accident isn't going to cause an explosion bigger than what we already get with normal cars

There are already lithium batteries available which are better and much more economical. Funny that the largest and most profitable profitable solar arrays are owned by fossil fuel corporations. Some examples: RV Apex Solar, Copper Mountain Solar Facility, Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System.

If its a brand new breakthrough thats going to make renewables viable, then how the fuck was the past comment
>renewables are not viable
a lie?

>>132888966
>hey guys, if I frack for a completely different resources after depleteting the other one, I am fracking the depleted one
Go bite a bullet, nigger.

>>132888908
sa represent
we are probably also the only aussies on at 3am (i.e. right now) because we have nothing to do during the day and so our body clocks are totally fucked

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>>132877445

>>132889117
Eh plenty of conventional oil+gas, plenty of shale oil+gas, plenty of coal, plenty of biomass, plenty of coal bed methane, and multiply the aforementioned energy by 4 for methane hydrates.

>>132887792
Toyota Tacoma

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>Space X

>>132889019
Plus its an electric propelled vehicle meaning you can design the whole thing around safety which they are doing.

>>132876740
lol, lithium ion waste is 10x more toxic than anything produced by fuel