/pol/'s against a single payer healthcare because they don't

>>132876058
No, its just that the left tends to like it so of course /pol/ has to be the exact opposite

>>132876184
No it's just that importing the entire third world and enslaving doctors to be forced to provide them services at the taxpayer's expense is retarded.

>/pol/ shouldn't be against the #1 domestic policy that keeps european nations enslaved to the US dollar
ok

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>single payer system will make the price of healthcare go down

???

>>132876058
If the US were a small area where most of the population was decent and had a stable job I'd be fine with it.

In reality, you're tax dollars are going to be paying for ER vists, specialists, and who knows what else for worthless that Chicago niggers to eat fried chicken, get heart disease, get shot, get ultra Gonorrhea, etc.

>>132876058
The option to pay for your own treatment should remain available, since Canadians apparently love our healthcare so much more.

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>>132876573

>>132876359
Not to mention I don't want to have to wait six months to a year for a fucking check up. These "people" don't understand how over burdened the medical field is. Nobody with the means goes to Canada the UK or other countries for medical procedures. They come here.

>>132876058
>Need a critical operation
>wait 6 months to get treated by some incompetent "syrian" refugee doctor with questionable credentials
>die from infection
>woops wasn't real socialism gomrade
Such is life in the peoples most serene cube of the EUSSR.

>>132876578
This is what I keep trying to tell people. Our culture is different and our population is huge. I would be more accepting of single payer if our population wasn't so massive, we weren't number 2 in the world for obesity, violent crime wasn't through the roof, our people weren't lazy as fuck, and we deported any illegal who would take advantage of the system without putting taxes back in to it. Also the super rich are incredibly good at hiding their money in offshore accounts and taking advantage of the tax code. There are so many things in our country that would make single payer extremely difficult to maintain. Do people even think about this shit before they start spouting off about how any other form of healthcare is murder?

>>132876724
>countries with single-payer systems have cheaper healthcare
>this means single-payer causes cheaper healthcare

Correlation =/= causation

there are probably more variables than that... we're talking about entirely different countries/governments/systems

>>132876724
>320m people
>extremely high obesity
>high violent crime
>Our people are lazy as fuck
Go after big pharma and the insurance industry first, then we'll talk about a proper system

>>132876573
With all the evidence we have that proves the government makes anything it touches more expensive and less efficient they still push this shit.
>I hate big business
> Let's give them more garunteed money
>It's okay because I'm not paying

>>132876058
The problems lie more with the hospitals and their suppliers than insurance companies, but both are really to blame.

If you provide a "minimum standard of care" in the form of some amount of money, the price of a GP visit will increase to just less than that amount.

If there is no upper limit to the amount single-payer will cover, or the amount a federally-regulated mandatory participation scheme will pay, you can rest assured that having a yearly checkup will soon become a multi-million dollar expense. Cancer treatment will likely rise into the same price range as a high-orbit satellite launch.

Nickle-and-dime greed all the way up the chain. The whole thing needs to be managed as a state institution - not on the grounds that anyone is "entitled" to healthcare, but that it is a social imperative that must be followed in the interest of preventing disease.

The conflict of interest between healthcare and the business needed to operate in that industry can, for example, lead to the development of "planned diseases" for which expensive "cures" are made readily available.

I believe this is already happening in many cases of cancer diagnosis - yes, we can detect it more reliably now, but it is appearing with an astonishing regularity.

>>132876058

>national socialist
>against single payer health

Nope.

>>132876573
>>132876724
This is a common argument for single payer that warrants debunking.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php

As you can see single payer advocates suggest money could be saved from improved efficiency. Figures such as 150 billion reduced overhead are passed around. But as it stands 5 big insurance companies cover 80% of the market, I remain unconvinced that a government agency can work more efficiently than 5 highly competitive private companies.

However the bigger issue with single payer insurance is that it opens up our healthcare rolls to people who don't pay taxes or pay little enough that they de facto will not pay into the healthcare pot. As someone who pays into this pot already, heavily, with medicare and medicaid and hospital subsidies, I am uneager to expand our rolls to include 40 million more poor Americans.

The bum doing crack under the freeway doesn't get chemo. Sorry.

>>132876573
It changes the bargaining structure. With single payer, the government is the only entity that buys healthcare, so it can demand lower prices. It's how medicare gets better deals than private insurance.

>>132876679
Our system is good for some thing and bad for others. If you need a super specialist fast, then the American model works well. If you need something basic, then Canada has a better model.

Titty cancer is a really interesting case study to compare the two models. Women diagnosed with titty cancer in Canada often come to the US for treatment because American doctors treat it much more aggressively. That helps some of them, but titty cancer screenings have a high rate of false positives and some types of titty cancer aren't particularly malignant. What that means is that American doctors are probably over treating lots of women who would have been fine. The American advantage is a slightly higher survival rate, but the Canadian advantage is less unnecessary treatment and less spending.

>>132876058
Yes, its probably one of the most NatSoc things we could do.

HOWEVER, the problem is we won't be able to agree if tranny surgery or abortions or Papaw's 6th open heart surgery is covered, not to mention a Healthcare ID law will be """ racist""" and we'll blow billions of dollars on illegals.

And that's why it will never happen. Not to mention the wailing and gnashing of teeth of all of the doctor/hospital/insurance Jews that are currently making bank with the system as it is.

>>132876058
>/pol/'s against a single payer healthcare because they don't understand it, right?
No. Some of us are forced to live with it and know first hand what it is.

>>132876058
Question from a leaf:
Each American state can implement socialized medicine.
Wouldn't it be easier to get socialized insurance in your state rather than pushing for it federally when thats much harder and less realistic and less moral?

>>132876184
>we oppose it because the left like it
Confirmed leftist retard. /pol/ tends to not like any radical action that would raise the lowest tax bracket to 50%

>>132878442
I live with it and its fine. Maybe Croatia is just a shithole?

>>132877628
Insurance companies take 20%. Of the 80% that gets to hospitals they take 10% profit, 70% salary (lots of non-medical but hard to establish) and 20% medical supplies. Of the 20% of medical supplies about 50% is manufacturing/R&D, res is profit and advertising.

Of the % of salary that actually goes to medical personnel most of that salary is spent on paying them to fill out paperwork.

Once you do a systemic analysis about 10% of health care dollar actually goes to health care.

>>132876724
>Europeans STILL not understanding what niggers are

...but you will! Niggers use the amber-lamps and 999 service to get around town, you euro-twats. We can't have it here. Get over it.

>>132878787
Maybe, if you stopped being a bitch and showed your flag, we could discuss it like adults.

>>132876058
/pol/ isnt one person.

Blatant shitpost bait threads like this should be a permanent ban.

>>132876058
I'm against it because it's dysgenic. More poor people must die without reproducing.

>>132876058
>Eurobrowns siphoning off of American innovation and military protection
>they think their "tax structure" is what makes their healthcare systems """""""work""""""""

>>132876724
It couldnt get any worse

>>132876058
I live in a country where we have it. The medical system is shit, public hospitals are shit, we need to wait months for an appointment, we still need to get private healthcare on top of paying for the public one because it's still not enough, and even with that, with anything related to eyes, teeth and ears, you're on your own.
Half of my monthly pay goes to public healthcare, in order for shitskins who come here, including illegals, to get "free" treatment, no matter how expensive.

I know exactly why I'm against it, don't worry.

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>>132876058 >>132876184
>>132876573 >>132876578
>>132877182

Notice anything in pic related?

Americans should learn that government interference in health care is exactly what makes everything so unbelievably expensive.

Easy proof: some hospital only takes cash for their procedures and they're much, much cheaper.
http://time.com/4649914/why-the-doctor-takes-only-cash/
Complicated surgeries there cost as much as an ambulance ride in other places.

>>132878565
Yes, except that state politicians are mostly showing up to work in velcro shoes and sell themselves out even cheaper than federal ones so they are even less able to produce sane policy.

>>132879443
>unarchived clickbaiters
https://archive.is/AOu2G

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>>132876058
Not /pol; Just retarded burger boys.

Good look sucking Big Insurance and Pharma cock.

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True story from a german here:

Last week i didn't feel well with my stomach.

> Went to hospital on Monday
> They did CT, röntgen, ultrasonic, 3x BloodTest + Endoscopy
> I stayed the full week in a single bed room till Friday
> Room service, free wi-fi, extras etc.
> Friday they tell me I'm ok and let me leave
> effective cost for me: 0,0 EUR

In USA i would have paid 10-15k USD upwards for this haha.

Man i love our german system. Did i mention we are the best? Pathetic Trump tries to come to our level but he has too many faggots, niggers and hispanics that hold his country down haha. Nice try with your MAGA. Germany is already great!

>>132879373
>Notice anything in pic related?
First few entries are murrkan but, without context, your post is complete and utter meaningless shit?

>>132878565
There have been some experiments at the state level. Vermont tried to establish a single payer system, called Green Mountain Care, but gave up because it would have required a huge tax hike. California has been looking at creating a state run universal healthcare system, but doesn't know how to pay for it because it would be bigger than the state's budget.

Nevada just passed a bill that would let people pay a premium to get on Medicaid. It's a promising idea, but I'm glad that I don't live in the experiment.

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>>132876058
universal healthcare would bankrupt us as a nation, we can barely pay for our current system, healthcare already takes up over 50% of my state's budget

>>132878565
Hard to do that when your tax base can opt out by moving.

>>132878254
>american model works well for complex stuff, canadian model better for simple stuff

lmao what? If you aren't going to drop dead in the hospital waiting room the Canadian healthcare system will fuck you around FOREVER. Only time leafcare is quick is when your dying right now, anything less then that and the government waits for you to die so they don't have to cough up for your surgery or whatever the fuck

Everything this government touches turns to shut in many cases. What will make government healthcare immune from this curse?

>>132876058
Lol a broken arm couple of hundred bucks? The fucking MRI scan maybe.

>>132879687
So what I'm getting from your answer is that the ppl that want free health care want it on the Federal level rather than the state level because their own states are already too socialized to be able to afford it so they need to pillage those that don't want it to make it work?

>>132879485
Why would I archive? I want that article to get more views, maybe Time would publish more writings praising (at least in part) free market solutions.

Here's the pricing list of that hospital in question.
https://surgerycenterok.com/pricing/

>>132876058
> itt people that evade taxes lecture taxpayers for not wanting to pay more taxes

>>132879373
We dutch people have excellent health care for such a small nation?

Single payer health care causes disgenic incentives

I live in a country that does not have single payer health care. Medicine in our country are 10x cheaper than in our neighbor country, Belgium, which does have single payer health care. It's gotten to the point that Belgians are coming to our country just to buy medicine.

People stay in a hospital bed for a month and just the bed, the room and board alone, costs 20k

>>132876359
That and
>the government sucks at everything it does
>I don't want to be operated on by DMV workers who are better at studying
>healthcare is not a social right on a fundamental level
>it's scary to be that dependent on the state, which wants us dead and/or replaced as it is
None of that contains the usual condescending liberal "muh private healthcare is all they've ever known" statements

>>132879659
>Context
Go on faggot, tell us about what kind of context is going to make this look like the American system isn't healthy

>>132876058
It could work if we kicked out the 20 million + illegals and stopped letting 3rd world trash in.
But you won't compromise

>>132879639
at least they aren't a Muslim ethno-state

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Yeah, Americans do not understand that their medical/healthcare industry was hijacked by all parties involved in those industries back in the 1970's. Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 is the beginning of the madness that is American healthcare.

Doctors, medical companies, etc., should not be able to charge the exorbitant fees that they charge.

America has to get rid of lobbyists/lobbying, too. That's a huge part of the problem. It's basically sanctioned corruption.

Healthcare is one of those industries that should not be "big business".

Also, like pic related, American "healthcare" is about disease management. The less healthy an American is, the more money that person will create for the medical industry.

That's why businesses are okay with shit like fat acceptance. Fatties = more money for the capitalists. I think it's hilarious that so many leftists are morbidly obese. They're so anti-money, but their very existence guarantees more money in the coffers of the food, medical, and apparel industries.

>>132880353
What if it's a list of most expensive hospitals per a single fucking aspirin? What then, smartass?

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>>132879373
Denmark have highest taxes on the fucking earth and we cant even get 1 hospital into top 45
>Just nuke us allready

>>132876058
no, youre for it because youre a mentally ill marxist zombie

>>132879639
effective cost for me: 0,0 EUR
>Who funded all that shit then? Did mutti shit out jewish bankers?

>>132876058
A single payer system will not fix any of these problems and will probably make them worse.

-Let insurance companies compete across state lines
-Let Americans buy their drugs from us leafs
-Tort reform

Do that shit first.

>>132876058
no, we're against it precisely because we DO understand it, unlike the people advocating it

Id be for singlepayer only if:
Money couldn't be diverted to other agencies
People on welfare not eligible
Illegals not eligible
All govt employees including Congress must partake
People who overuse system taxed at higher rate.

>>132876724
Americans have far better healthcare than most of those countries. They also choose to get more elective surgeries than others.

>>132881278
Go away Jew

>>132877155
When Canadians come to the US for medical treatment, their province still has to pay for it.

>>132880943

Yes, burgers need to increase competition between insurance companies. Breaking up large insurance companies in multiple smaller ones will be a good start.

>>132879639
>don't worry goyim, public healthcare can't be abused
>by the way, listen to this sad story where I get tons of unncessary exams paid for by goyim because I "didn't feel well with my stomach"

>>132879943
The problem with most state level reforms is that they can put the state at a competitive disadvantage with other states. If Vermont were to raise business taxes in order to pay for healthcare, then what's stopping a business from moving out of Vermont into lower tax New Hampshire?

>>132876359
>enslaving doctors to be forced to provide them services at the taxpayer's expense is retarded.

What? You know that a doctor can choose to make a contract with the government or to be private. They aren't forced to do anything.

But OPs pic is right since everything medical related in the US is hilariously expensive.

>>132876058
The reason why the white middle class have to pay so much for healthcare is due to the fact that the government uses their tax dollars to pay for the non-white half of the country's free healthcare. Not to mention the free healthcare that the elderly receive just for being old, or the millions of illegal immigrants who simply don't pay after receiving treatment because they can't be tracked.

>>132878565
Most of the problems are at the federal level. Federal laws are keeping drug prices high, lawyer costs high, AND insurance prices high by not letting them operate across state lines.

>>132881643
>talking with burgers about healthcare
don't do that, it's pointless
they want to pay 100000$ for a simple surgery, let them do that

>>132876058
Like I want Donald j trump in charge of women's healthcare.

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>>132879659

Kike marxist faggot.

>>132881928
What is your annual income, income tax rate, sales tax, and vat tax?

If US just Allowed competition you would probably BTFO any other healthcare system
>But no goiym sheqels

>>132882150
Retard that thinks he's smart.

>>132881412
I'm Jewish because I'm right?

>>132881521
Why?

>>132876058
Right. Because whenever the Government takes control over any commodity production the prices go down and the supply goes up. Lol. Yeah, there's never any rationing.

>>132876058
Ask the English couple that had to go plea to bureaucrats to keep their child alive, when they had the money to do so, how good single payer is.

>>132879639
Yeah and your people are burning down their own city because they hate capitalism.

>Hey guys, communism is actually awesome I get FREE SHIT
>Haha in a fucking capitalistic country you would need money to buy goods and services

Hmmmmm...................

>>132882464
Because when there are more companies, it's becomes harder for kikes to form cartels to do the price fixing.

>>132882464
You can't be serious leaf
>What does competition do?
>Look at intel cpu's to the normie consumers, they had no competition from AMD, they could just sit on one cpu for ages, then slowly release at 5% increase and so on.

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>>132876058
Accept the true redpill /pol/:
Multipayer Healthcare as envisioned by yours truly

>>132882464
>Why are monopolies bad?
Well they are only bad if you support capitalism and not communism i suppose.

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>>132882315

I never said you think you're smart, retard. Simply that it is indisputable that USA has by far the very best hospitals in the world.

>>132877244
>our population is huge

it's really not that huge

>>132883036
>state level communism in practice isn't a government monopoly
Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

>>132883303
Is your post supposed to be nonsensical garbage or are you trying to communicate and make a point?

>>132883217
Your image is pretty stupid.

>>132876058

Nobody deserves anything.

I want all the poor people to die in gutters.

>>132883217
>I never said you think you're smart, retard. Simply that it is indisputable that USA has by far the very best hospitals in the world.
Are you doing drugs and/or majoring in humanities/gender studies? When did I say that you said I was smart? Where did I state that US hospitals are not best in the world?

You need to take a deep breath and stop sperging. My comment was on that anon posting a BS list without context thus rendering it meaningless. He decided to fuck off and then you blindly charged in without making any sense. Take 5 minutes to collect your thoughts, follow backlinks to see what was actually going on and then, if you wish so, we can discuss the thread topic.

>>132880509
Then you might be just as retarded as your flag implies.

>>132878957
Fucking this. When I worked in the Emergency Dept at our local hospital there was this fucking nigger that would have "heat attacks" every friday evening. The fucking nigger would waste hospital resources for a free nap and taxi ride to the center of town. Once he got to his destination he would just get up and walk off. I hope he ODed on crack because im sure someone died because of his lazy ass

>>132884070
Give 1 good reason why Denmark the highest kiked country doesnt even have 1 hospital on it. Im legit curious what your answer will be

>>132879659
>context
That is a comprehensive list of the most prestigious and technologically advanced hospitals in the world.

>>132876058
>mah free healthcare
Nothings free ya drongo. It'll come out of your pocket one way (taxes) or the other (medicine).

>>132884490

Thank you.

>>132884207
Watch out, Paco. ICE is coming.

>>132881422
But you all still come here because your healthcare system is so backed up and defunct that it takes 6 months to get a potentially life threatening issue looked at. fuck that.

>>132881928
Id pay a little extra for a single simple surgery if it meant i didnt have to wait 6 months to get it and pay half my paycheck in taxes for "free" healthcare

>>132883631

Indeed. After all, why fight a bloody civil war only to end up the most BTFO nation in history while your better half shows africans how it's done.

>>132884372
How can I give you a reason if there's no explanation of that list? Maybe denmark has 0 transgender midgets employed per hospital so it doesn't show up on that list.

>>132884490
Where does that list say that, you mental cripple?


What is it that you cretins do not understand?
Here's a list:
1. India
2. Mexico
3. Guatemala
4. USA
What the fuck does it mean without any context?

I had a seizure two weeks ago. Insurance covered the ER and seeing a neurologist has costed me $50 dollars so far. It was nice actually getting to see him instead of being put on some wait list and being unsure if I'm epileptic or going to die or something.

>>132881808
This. Cut medicare, medicaid, govt. aid, govt housing, and dont treat people who cant pay.

You are entitled to nothing and you get nothing free.

>>132882948
Yes! another world war to purge the weak and lower the world population! perfect! all the muslim shit skins and niggers go to the front lines!

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>>132884943

You lose.

Next!

>>132883265
Name one country with single payer that has over 320 million people.

>>132876058
No, I just don't want insurance and I don't want to pay for yours.

>>132885115
And the next step, after you were called an idiot, is for you to go LOL, I TROLL YOU?
You are a 52% white subhuman degenerate if I ever saw on posting with a US flag. Some are banting, some are making valid points but you are one of the few truly rare ones that make me wonder if your cereal contains copious amounts of lead.

>>132876058
Single payer only works with price controls.

Not one politician has introduced the concept, even, of price controls. Single payer without it is unsustainable and dangerous.

That said, I'm going into nursing so I don't want price controls to hurt my earnings.

>>132876058
There's a ton of factors really. We can't make our current public healthcare options work well. FDA holds up the production of generic pharma. American pharma carry the burden of price fixing in universal europe driving up our costs. Our doctors are paid well considering the 8 years of college and they have to pay for that education.

>>132881632
I get that. But what's immoral about a business leaving a state so they can do better business?
It reminds me of the argument used here as to why we shouldn't have semi-private health care, "because all the good doctors would work for the private companies" great, so now to make our system work we need to own Doctors and limit their options.
Not only is that unjust and immoral, it doesn't even work, The good Doctors just head to the US.

>>132885574
American pharma can't profit without gouging Americans because of everyone elses price fixing

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>>132884943
>John's Hopkins
>Sloan Kettering
>Mayo Clinic
>Cleveland Clinic
>St. Jude's
all world renowned hospitals, centers for medical education, and centers for groundbreaking medical research.

I guarantee you that is a list of most prestigious hospitals. Fun fact about those, The majority of the American ones in the top 10 are private hospitals, meaning that the state doesnt get to fuck it up unlike in state run hospitals.
>>132885518
>52% white
You eastern europeans are literally the niggers of the white race, and you owe your country's pitiful existence to the USA for out competing and ultimately destroying the USSR.

You're welcome europe nigger

>>132882786
>>132882892
>>132883036

You are all retards. What would be the benefit of forcibly breaking up big insurance companies? What do you idiots think it will do?

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>>132886004
>>John's Hopkins
>>Sloan Kettering
>>Mayo Clinic
>>Cleveland Clinic
>>St. Jude's
>all world renowned hospitals, centers for medical education, and centers for groundbreaking medical research.
>I guarantee you that is a list of most prestigious hospitals. Fun fact about those, The majority of the American ones in the top 10 are private hospitals, meaning that the state doesnt get to fuck it up unlike in state run hospitals.
Son, IK all of that. Doesn't change the fact that 'white pride' flag larping cretin posted a list without any explanation. That was the whole point of my response before a slew of cretins decided to chime in without looking at the situation.

>You eastern europeans are literally the niggers of the white race, and you owe your country's pitiful existence to the USA for out competing and ultimately destroying the USSR.
That is not true but I wouldn't expect any education from a retard larping with a snek meme flag.

Congressmen prohibit the interstate sale of health insurance for the benefit of insurance companies who pay them.
If people were allowed to buy it across state lines the premiums would go way down and the medical industry would be properly compensated.

>>132886475

This.

>>132884713
We are also a welfare state that's the size of the US with the population of California. Not many doctors here and they tend to spread out. You have more populous towns and cities that surgeons prefer to work out of.

I'm not saying you should have socialized healthcare though.

What's the incentive for the best people to be doctors or other medical personnel? As soon as the wages depress then the quality of medical staff goes down. Then third worlders make up all your doctors and nurses.

>>132886727

Which is exactly what's happening at the VA.

>>132885649
>Our doctors are paid well considering the 8 years of college and they have to pay for that education.

I mean this is kind of a myth. Sure we get good salaries, but most of us graduate with upwards of 300k or more in medical school student debt. couple that with the cost of living and the fact that the first 3-7+ years in the work force we work 80-100 hours per week and make ~60k in residency, we really dont make that much. I did the math once and a typical Internist resident makes something like $8.50/hr considering how much they have to work. I wont make a livable wage and be able to get out from under my debt until im in my 30s at least.

In fact, I saw a statistic that a school teacher actually has a higher earning potential in their lifetime than a doctor does in theirs due to massive debt and low earning potential for our early adult life.

(Source: US Medical Student)

>>132886284
It is less about forcibly breaking up big insurance companies. It's more about making harder to have big companies and making it easy for new companies to start. With current regulations it is hard to start a new insurance company. And if you would be able to get a new company started, it would be immediately bought out by a large company. That's just anti free-market.

>>132886725
I actually read that the low number of doctors in canada is because you guys only have like 5 medical schools in the country and they have relatively small classes and are super selective.

How high are taxes in countries with single payer compared to the US?

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>>132880696

It really is sad.

>1 post by this ID
Stop talking to bots, Facebook posters, b8 threads, and general cancer.
t. Someone who cares

>>132876058
No, I just hate America.

>>132887149
Theft-tier.

>>132887149
High enough that I departed it.
t. Frenchman

>>132886857
no wonder there's a doctor shortage

>>132885965
I wouldn't say it's immoral. It's a business decision and public companies have an obligation to maximize profits for shareholders. I'm just saying that the problem with state level reforms is that sometimes issues may not work at just the state level. Because states are highly competitive with each other, it's really easy to end up with Nash equilibrium and a race to the bottom.

>>132886727
Exactly. I am not going to go into 300k debt if it means my max earning potential is going to be like 70-100k. Ill drop out of medical school before that happens. I'll take a job synthesizing drugs for big pharma before ill be a slave for the healthcare system. fuck that.
>>132886835
Basically the way it works is that we import medical graduates from canada, europe, the middle east, india, china etc. to fill our residency slots in areas that US medical students dont want to work.

So if you ever see a large number of indian/arab doctors in a hospital, its probably because it had a bunch of empty residency slots and brought in a bunch of sub par doctors to fill them rather than lose funding.

This wont be an issue in like 10-40 years though because there is like 5-10 US medical schools opening every year and each has a class of 50-250. eventually we will hit a saturation point to where a foreign doctor has to be EXCEPTIONAL to even get to practice here.

>>132876058
no, I am because I have it

>>132881521

We also need to break up the monopoly effect of provider networks. If you have two hospitals in town, but everyone insured by company A has to receive care at National General Hospital and everyone insured by company B has to receive care at Memorial General Hospital, then both healthcare providers essentially have a monopoly, because they can't compete on price to attract customers from each other.

That's something of an oversimplification, but its the core idea of a big problem in the system. The other easy fix would be to decouple insurance from employment, and make it more like literally every other kind of insurance. That is, hedging yourself against catastrophic risk (house fires for homeowners insurance, car wrecks for car insurance, etc).

>>132887112
nah, that just explains why it's hard to find a white one

>>132876058
>inflated insurance billing to pay for the last 99 spics that got their treatment completely free will go away if you just give 1000 spics their treatment for free...

>>132887818

http://wallstreetpit.com/5769-the-medical-cartel-why-are-md-salaries-so-high/

>>132888279

This.

>>132887706
yeah, basically dont go to medical school unless you just really want to be a doctor because the golden years of doctors taking it easy and making bank is behind us. The first few years of my career i will be exploited and underpaid for borderline slave labor and my last 30 will be spent clawing out from under debt only to have more piled back on. But at least i get to do something I enjoy.

However, if the US goes to a singlepayer system and the salaries take a nosedive i will quit and go to rhe private sector working for big pharma or medical device companies.

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Single payer will ABSOLUTELY get abused by the poor and minorities for minor treatments and incentivizes healthcare providers to treat minor conditions over more serious illnesses. Health insurance was originally intended to be purchased in the case of rare injuries/conditions that require time and expertise -- not for LaQuisha to purchase Tylenol because her ankles can't handle the weight of her morbidly obese body. I didn't work to provide my family with a healthy lifestyle just so that I can get colon cancer and then have to wait 3 years for cancer treatment because single payer is inefficient as fuck and now they got 20,000 people with diabetes in front of me. FUCK UNIVERSAL AND SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE.

>>132888767
My doctor have told me several times that they have people coming in with a fucking cold to get checked
>This is how stupid people become when they don't need to think about the money

>>132888682
I'm not even in med school yet but my uncle told me to specialize asap because then even if the healthcare system goes to shit then rich people will still be willing to pay to see a private specialist outside of government run healthcare

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>>132888279

And paying out the eye-teeth for countless frigid casualties of 2nd wave feminism to attempt subvert the natural order of things.

>>132889268
I am either going to do Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, or Cardiology depending on what residency i get into.

If I do Family Medicine and work at a clinic or IM and work as a hospitalist I will have shift work, no on call, Actually get to spend time with my family,and make around 175-180k.

I may specialize though, but I am not sure. I went the DO route, so depending on where i do residency, it may not be an option.

Single payer doesn't work in America

t. VA healthcare

>>132876058
My problem with universal healthcare is that the Pharmaceutical companies will charge the US government exorbitant amounts of money like they do hospitals and insurance companies

We don't even need universal, just end medical price gauging

>>132889870
The VA is awful, and some VA hospitals are literal dangers to their patients.

>>132877507
>Go after big pharma and the insurance industry first, then we'll talk about a proper system

So much this. Everyone just wants to argue about who pays the bill instead of (((who))) runs the entire Medical Industrial Complex. AMA, CDC, FDA all gotta go.

>>132876058

There is no general consensus on /pol/ about anything.

American Liberals are retards that haven't never experienced a single payer healthcare scheme. Its not all sunshine and rainbows. It always ends up over inflated, inefficient and abused.

I've lived in three countries with it, the worst being the UK and its NHS. I've always had private health insurance to ensure that if something ever goes wrong for me that I can see a consultant without waiting for 6 to 18 months or I can go to a private hospital for emergency care and not wait in A+E for several hours.

Prime example of how shit the NHS is. When I first moved to the UK I end up with an ear infection that resulted in a blocked ear canal. I needed to have it syringed so I could hear properly again. I went to my local doctor and tried to book an appointment, waiting room is filled with unemployed shitskins and muds, I am told it will be a four week wait for me to get a simple procedure done that a nurse should be able to do.

I was then told to go to fucking A+E if I needed it resolved urgently. I felt really bad about it but did need its sorted badly for my job. So there I am waiting in A+E among people with broken limbs, serious wounds and so on, while I need my damn ear to be cleaned out essentially. Such a waste of resources, and there were more people there with colds and other minor conditions than there were people with serious ones.

You either have a homogeneous population and state provided healthcare or you can have a "diverse" population that abuses the system in place and you'll need private health insurance if you get into serious shit.

Also every prescription only costs £7.50 regardless of what is wrong with you. So you have children who are told to wait for several months to be seen with life threatening conditions, meanwhile faggots with AIDS get their medication subsidised to cover the bad life decisions they made.

>>132889849
>I went the DO route, so depending on where i do residency, it may not be an option
I don't know why it wouldn't be. Whatever it is you do though make sure you're not gonna be a slave to the govt

>>132876058
>Expects over 200,000,000 American adults to pay into the system.

Good luck with that.

>>132889171
my elbow FEEEEEEEL funny

>>132880449
>Yeah, Americans do not understand that their medical/healthcare industry was hijacked by all parties involved in those industries back in the 1970's

Actually it was much earlier. I think it was the 20s or so when Rockefeller took over the system using the AMA and essentially got rid of osteopathy/holistic approach and implemented allopathic medical practices. In short, its what took us from treating and preventing diseases to managing symptoms. Big Pharma rose up as a result.

>>132887730
Good point and it definitely clears up part of my question.
But yet, even with that reason taken into account, would it not still be wiser for an individual to put their effort into making it work on the state level rather than the federal if they're looking to make something change?
Or is it to complicated w/ federal regulations and laws in ways like the one you mention?