What happened to Freedom? It seems /pol/ has become a bastion

>>132847835
kek, everyone just wants control
It's why every system that requires morality of it's participants fails

Because they know that on free market high IQ individuals dominate.

>>132847835
cause they're pussies who couldn't make it a day by themselves.

>>132847835
"alt right socialism"

SAGE'd

>>132847928
I know it fails. But that doesnt explain why people want it.

>>132847939
kek

>>132847999
>horseshoe theory is invalid
Nigger you love the government, but only when it does what you wamt it to.

>>132847835
Libertarianism is a pipe dream that will never happen. States are inevitable, and the state has an interventionist role to play in at least the economy of whatever it governs if it is to function well/efficiently.

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>>132847939
Indeed

/pol/(hell 4chan as a whole) has long since been compromised to easily swayed memers and then the wider masses fall in line every time.

>>132848083
it already happened, we just didnt maintain it, actually im thinking of constitutional gov, manageable gov, same thing right?

>>132848083
The state at the most should be a referee, yet the left and right want it to be a rule maker.

>>132847835
because the libertardian party views "freedom" as open borders, forced integration with trannies in the military and selling drugs to kids

for that kind of freedom you should try opening your front door and letting in every migrant that passes by

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>>132848269
I would let them in. And if they fuck up, ill kill em. What is wrong with that? /pol/ has become socialist but with a right lean, and it is fucked up. I remember when /pol/ cared about freedom, now you just want daddy to make the rules.

>>132848269
libertarian party doesnt represent libertarianism, they just claim they do, if there was no welfare state why not open boarders tho, no one would want to come here no free shit and to do anythig you'd have to have money meaning be a marginal success and productive member of society.

>>132848314
Yeah, right. I hate the government, (((please protect my borders and national security)))
You guys are a joke

>>132847835
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>>132848428

>ancap/hippie/kekistan
>leaf/swede/neocuck

kys

>>132848593
>i think im cool
>i love my government
Make sure you pay your taxes faggot

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>>132847835
People woke up.

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>>132850074
So i should just welcome an overlord? Fuck that.
Ill die before i let an overlord rule me.

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>>132847835
Pol got infested with "nazi" stormfag LARPers a few years ago. Before that pol was libertarian/AnCap.

These stormfags are shills here to disrupt the anti-government sentiment, highlight the similarities between NatSoc and AnCap (economic mainly), and basically subvert the atmosphere of the board from liberty to statism.

It appears to have worked, largely

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>>132847835
because people are waking up to the truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

>>132848074
>people like things that benefit them
WHOA, REALLY?

>>132847835
Ancap and libertarianism are two sides of the same leftist coin. Both are design to weaken the people and leave them divided, scattered and unable to unify under any common racial or ideological identity. They promote selfishness and mutual distrust and conflict between citizens and are essentially poisons to make a nation vulnerable to takeover by a globalist order. Both Ancap and Libertarianism fail for the same reason that socialism and communism fail: human nature. When you "voluntarily" anything, there's always going to be someone who will try to fuck it up. And when the controls and regulations that are suppose to prevent these fuckups also become "voluntary", you have the same failure of socialism and communism where people "voluntarily" produce to meet the needs of all. The Ancap and libertarians both reject and sabotage vital infrastructure that a state needs to organize and repel a foreign aggressor.

A citizenry united by a common racial and nationalist ideology focuses their productivity and generosity to the benefit of their own kind. When you instill racial identity, you instill a type of comradery that almost rivals family bonds. This foundation is essential for building a strong and effective national identity. We see the concept of civic nationalism floated around, but without a strong racial foundation, tribal conflicts will always exist, making this system entirely worthless. However in cases of civic nationalism where the formation of a racial identity is tolerated or even encouraged, great things can be accomplished. This is why civic nationalism unhindered by political correctness will inevitably transition into national socialism.

>>132847835
the jews are trying to build tech for white nationalists to control america.

check out palantir

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>>132852048
>I need someone to protect me
Dudes fuck off.

>>132847835
back to nigreddit flaggot

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See a country as a big gang of thugs, except we are civilized and try to balance everyone. Now if anarchy would rule over the lands, what would happen after a while? People would form gangs to be stronger together, which leads to another domination and forming of an government. Anarchy is just simply fucking stupid and if anyone thinks otherwise, please lighten up a dynamite, swallow it down your throat and remove yourself from the face of earth.

>>132847835
Nice attempt at a false flag post, schlomo

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>>132852275
>i need
That where we disconnect. I'm guessing you're an American, you are more likely to not have a sense of unity and love for your people, your nation, your history and your forefathers who sacrificed themselves to build the world you live in.
It's not about my protection, it's about our protection. My peoples protection. I only want the best for my people, and I will work till I die to secure their existence.
Life is greater than you.

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Beleiving that some people magically have authority over you just because they said so isn't retarded, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMjkVAhyfYE

>>132852610
Is it?
Life ends when you do, so why bother?
>i wish to protect my people
Nibba, they have autonomy amd agency, let them live their lives.

>>132848428

>If individuals can arbitrarily decide to kill each other, society will be great.

>>132847835
Govt has 3 jobs

1 - Gibs for the ones unable to succeed
3- services like roads firefighter and military
4- instill national values within people

>>132852948
>i need a government to make rules i can live by
Im sorry you do not see you are the ruler of your life.

>>132847939
Thoth.

>>132853024
Nonesense

>>132853066
Pepe.

>>132847835
>muh roads
because as nice of an idea as it seems, the u.s. government is the most successful insurance agency security company in the world. maybe someday peaceful ancap is possible but you'd have to join with actual commies and globalists to remove them from power. doesn't sound like a happy ending to me.
>be me and use to preach ancap all day all night
fuck it. let's just elect minarchists.

>these goddamn captchas

>>132852171
In fact, in most cases of communism and socialism, it always comes down to racial identity that keeps these systems afloat for as long a they last. China is the best example. It is that Han Chinese racial identity that allowed the chinks to stubbornly put up with their murderously ineffective and incompetent government for so long. For all of Mao's failures, it is that overriding fear and anger against foreigners that has allowed them to persevere through decades of famine, corruption and oppression and prop up their joke of a government (which is now essentially state capitalism but rules its citizens under a communist system). Russia too with their Slavic identity. Once the USSR collapsed, Balkanization was always along racial lines, even now with Crimea and their ethnic Russian population.

Anyone and anything that seeks to destroy racial identity is a globalist agent seeking to weaken the sovereignty of an individual nation so that they may be more easily pillaged. The EU is a great example of this, forcing member states to swallow hordes of "refugee" murderers and rapists on a whim.

>>132847835

Rickowitz and Mortystein

>>132853199
>i give up freedom
>for security
Kys

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>>132847835

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>>132852855
Your legacy lives on. Your children grow up. Life doesn't end when you do, living like it does will ruin this world. We've seen this with the pollution of our earth, and the endless borrowing of the American government. They don't care about what happens after they're gone. They don't care about their legacy, or the existence of their people.

>they have autonomy and agency, let them live their lives.
That's exactly what I want. I want to secure the existence of their future, because I love them. Because life is greater than me.

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We already settled this debate a century ago when the 25 point plan was released. More lolbertarian for the average working man than any developed country in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP

>>132853286
you're not free. you do not live in an anarchy. of course don't give up freedom faggot.

>>132853028

And I'm sorry you're too hopped up on memes to realise individuals being allowed to arbitrarily murder each other wouldn't make for a desirable situation. What if I think you should be murdered for not buying into my memes? Furthermore, whose to say I'm wrong? Or is it a constant chain of retaliatory killings you're after?

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I don't know how anyone could look at America and say "I want that on steroids"

>>132853300
But life isnt greater than you. Only you and your property matter, your children and wife arent property allow them to live their lives.
People like you create war for no reason except the existence of your "culture", your culture will not matter unless it is the best. In 1000 years we wont even be remembered.

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>>132853541
The lolberts don't care if they're enslaved. So long as dudeweed and tranny porn are legal.

>>132853541
>people will just constantly kill
Right
Because laws and government stop that from happening.

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>>132853548
People like you destroy entire civilizations in one generation and war is nothing compared to the misery you inflict on the next handful of generations. Assuming you don't get outright replaced.

The NSDAP taxed the 'worker' (farmer -> lawyer) far less than the most lolbert county, in the most lolbert state, in the most lolbert country. They required industry to match production to consumption and forbade social dumping (partly forced due to mass international Jewish boycotts) and this and the guaranteed sustenance government work turned out to be the solution to unemployment. The NSDAP solved unemployment for the first and only time in history.

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>>132853752
>mass international Jewish led boycotts

>>132847939
this.

nu-/pol/ is mostly inhabited by high school dropout skinheads and edgy teenagers.

Which is the reason it has gone to shit.

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>>132852171
>"B-But Anon, voluntaryism embraces dejenerusy!!
When people are left to their own devices, they **generally** do what is in their own best interests. Homogeneous communities are no exception to this rule, and for that reason, the "but ancaps can't unify" argument falls apart. If anything, an anarcho-capitalist society is more prone to build a strong, homogenous society than NatSocs, and especially civic nationalists because the ever-present conflict of interest that provides ((them)) with a platform to manipulate the populace is nonexistent. The only way ((they)) can influence a population under an anarcho-capitalist society is by meeting that societies market demand, which, as mentioned, is a unifying one.

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They don't stop it completely, but they do mitigate it significantly.

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>>132853752
Hahahahaha
Ok. So socialism is cool, but only when it is national socialism.
You guys are a laughing stock.

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>>132853824
so you have no idea what taxes are then? cool. stop posting

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>>132853752
>>132853548
You can't be free with private banking. You can't be free with partisan politics. You can't be free unless unearned (passive) income is heavily taxed. You can't be free unless government actively protects the consumer. You can't be free if usury is tolerated.

The NSDAP figured this out a century ago and proved it to the world. They won 95% reunification plebiscites after they abolished democracy.

>>132853909
>If anything, an anarcho-capitalist society is more prone to build a strong, homogenous society than NatSocs, and especially civic nationalists because the ever-present conflict of interest that provides ((them)) with a platform to manipulate the populace is nonexistent.
Prove it. Give us an example.

>>132853934
You are absolutely right.
I woke up this morning amd thought damn i should rob the iga, but i remembered ot was illegal so i didnt.
Lol sure thing bud.

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>>132853752
Fuck off retard, the only thing the nazis did was to accumulate debt while employing everyone to build weapons, in order to prepare for the upcoming war.

For people who claim to respect strength, it's pretty hilarious that you idiots support a regime that only lasted like 12 years. Even the communists manage to last 70 years, and achieved far greater power that the nazis could ever hope to achieve.

>>132854004
>government regulation sets you free
Good job goy, you bought into the meme

>>132850074
>they do not know what is the best for them
>I do though :D

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>>132853963
6/8 of the mises founders were kikes. 5/8 American babies are born to non-Europeans and this controlled opposition lolbert right since the 1980's allowed these same kikes to flood your country with tens of millions of racial strangers.

That was the whole point of this degenerate obsession with the individual and 'freedom' (well you can't mention your Jewish ruling class or you'll lose your job if you're lucky). You have one faction of kikes that are happy with their private community centers, private scholarships, private schools, private welfare, etc. and want even more advantage over the goyim, this is who you support, and you have the other faction that tolerates and pushes social lolbertarianism in order to demographically replace white Americans and usher in Jewish communism.

Did you not pay attention to Bernie Sanders? This is your future.

>>132854077

You did admit at the start that you would kill immigrants if they did anything wrong though. Why do you think you wouldn't/shouldn't be killed for that?

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>>132853548
Civilization is built on strong men sacrificing their lives to build a better future for their children. Living for yourself, i.e. for nothing but meaningless pleasure is not the key happiness nor paradise.

War would kill my people, which I of course do not want. If it was the situation similar to Germany in 1939 where a great amount of my people live in another nation that does not care for them, or treat them equally, then I would want to liberate them. I believe that is a worthy sacrifice.

>>132854295
https://youtu.be/TW-pw4rRvUI

>>132847835
most right wingers believe in small government but considering the picture you are using im pretty sure you are from plebbit and not one of our allies attacking cnn so...

sage

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>>132854107
You're that kike that flies the Greek flag and spams /nsg/ all day.

The NSDAP had six years during the great depression to defeat the Soviet, French, British and American Empires at the same time. We destroyed National Socialism because Hitler warned us of the consequences of international capitalism/marxism. He knew either one would mean the eradication of the European man, woman and child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

Adolf Hitler's Warning

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>>132854077

Why aren't you murdering misbehaving immigrants now?

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>>132854284
>If you support libertarianism, youll usher in kikes
>better support more governmemt, that totally wont allow kikes to get in the mix
Hahahaha
Fuck, no wonder /pol/ has went down the jidf now is totally anti Semitic to push their agenda. Fuck off kike i know your game.

>>132847835
The freedom to be profited off of?
The freedom to starve?
The freedom to get stabbed by a refugee?

>>132847835
>Why do you think you need a higher power
its not about power its about order and efficiency

>>132854513
I never said that.

>>132847835
Slowly and secretly, /pol/ wants to become like China lol

>>132854599
>order
>not about power
God dam

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We were all lolberts once. Until we discovered the words and actions of Adolf Hitler and defeated the overwhelming tendency to embrace nihilism that has been drilled into us from birth. Adolf Hitler dared to dream and we must all dare to dream. More redpills and fewer blackpills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGqG3grTrg

Adolf Hitler - "They Said I Was A Dreamer"

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>>132854561
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>>132854635

No?

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>>132854529
You literally worship a Jewish invented pseudo-religion that is obviously leading to the extermination of the white American. You're worse than a fool. You're a suicidal nihilist.

>>132847835
>Why do you feel a government is needed?

Because generally, people are dumb egoistic degenerates who will get their shit together only if shit starts collapsing around them.

>Why do you think you need a higher power that takes the form of government?

Because it will always happen. Your ancuck society will devolve to the governmental rule.
Only convenient government, although perversely, but cares about basic quality of life of it's cannon fodder.

Corporate government milks it's cannon fodder dry, then fucks off to some other country to spend the money milked.

>>132847835

I started watching a shit ton of William Cooper, who I had read years ago and totally forgot about.
I agree, this national socialism bullshit is the same old ploy under a different name, obviously, unless you're retarded.

>>132854767
>if they fuck up
>meaning violate me or my property
So i can't protect myself or my property? How is this considered license to kill immigrants?

>>132854773
>muh race
God damn jidf in here.

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>>132854074
A Priori.
>Individuals do things that benefit themselves, as opposed to those that don't
>Homogeneous cultures benefit the individuals that make up said cultures
>Therefore it is in individuals best interest to form cultures that benefit themselves

Empirically speaking, I suppose you could look at any economy where something is offered and compare it to a society with greater restrictions on trade to find that the laissez-faire market achieves said thing faster and more efficiently than those that don't.

>>132854861
>degenerates
Who are you to regulate morals?

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>>132854875
The majority of American students are non-white. By 2030 there will be 2 non-whites turning 18 for every white. These people are not only going to destroy lolbertarianism but they are going to vote for Jewish communism and take all your shit.

The rights obsession with civic nationalist lolbert allowed this to happen without so much as a complaint. As a matter of fact Jewish invent lolbert brainwashes you to believe that this is absolutely okay.

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>>132854985
You fool nobody ratboy. Everyone on /pol/ has seen this meme.

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>>132847835
Because our philosophies don't depend on some utopian fairy tale, such as Anarcho-Capitalism (A-C). Yes, what A-C attempts to formulate may be great, but it is impossible to institute within today's societies. And even given the impossible odds A-C is actualized, any subset which is may evolve into is extremely volatile, and will result in extreme inequality.

>Alt Right
Indicator of social policy

>Socialism
Indicator of economic policy

We want for our country to be equal, in terms of liberty and freedom - but we also recognize the inequality that is inherent within the current economic climate.

>>132855066
>muh race
>i get to violate freedom because muh race
Dude, if you are so concerned with white extinction, have kids. You cant legislate someone to breed with you. You cant deny another humans freedom because you think they are "beneath" you.

>>132854985
i thought better of right-libertarians than weak arguments that either ignore the point or outright denies that theres any possibility of you being wrong, the exact same debate tactics the average liberal voter use. You're either not an open minded person, or you're a liberal larping as an ancap to divide the board. In case you're serious, thanks for reminding me why i left libertarianism for national-socialism.

sage

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>>132855060
I am not regulating morals, you fucking dimwit, I am stating a fact: You are degenerate fags who bring ruin and despair, but are ok with it, as long as some seven jews at top get their billions and you get the weed and kiddie porn.

Russia has passed the lolbertarian paradise stage so effectively, only complete idiot (or American) would believe your "dude freedom lmao" bullshit.

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>>132855234
>muh race
You know you're on /pol/ right? You must be a kike because niggers aren't lolberts.

>>132847835
Because we're not 14?
An-cap only "makes sense" to a teenager.
Once you learn how human being actually interact and conglomerate you realize it's fucking retarded and eventually a group forms and dominates. You get a "government" (controlling body) whether you want one or not. It's nice having one that (even if your vote is a small token of influence) you at least hypothetically have your say.
Anyways, I'm stoked for you to go through your political philosophy whirlwind after you're able to drive a car and get a job. Good luck!

>>132855208
So how do you propose to better your country while allowing all humans to experience true freedom?

To prevent shitskins from voting to remove all my property to redistribute it to their friends and force me to live by them so they can suck my good will and energy.


Its true that in white homogenous countries policies that advocate the most freedom are best

>>132847835
How dare you post at all, I first of all think you meant True Right, and socialism is a false ideology of proper table talking manners and thats all socialism is dumb fuck, and second a Government is needed to help maintain peace and order to protect the innocence. and finally the what you call the higher power can either be the person in a form of greatness and the protective like the Father, or an evil person that choose to let humanity fail and wanting to kill off the american ppl like ISIS or the islamics or like you type of fucking idiots.

>>132855066
also this. Libertarians are fucking retarded. They don't realize that blacks and spics and muzzies will never vote for libertarianism. Libertarianism is a white phenomenon. Period.

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>>132855340
>true freedom
Try mentioning this in America, the only country where this Jewish lolbert garbage exists and has influenced policy. The country that obsesses over the 'freedom' to name anything but the real issues plaguing your nation.

The NSDAP banned 2,500 mostly Jewish books for obscenity. This is more a political move than anything else, and the current German government currently bans exponentially more material.

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>>132855285
Dude how can you demy freedom to your fellow humans, how can you wish socialism upon them?
A greater good? A collective? Wtf?>>132855330
What the fuck happened to /pol/? I haven't posted for at least a couple of years, and now i see people actively wishing for socialism, wtf?

>>132847835
Anarcho capitalism is a pipe dream. It's as foolish as the idea of functional communism. Now let me tell you why:

At it's core, government exists as a monopoly of force. Don't pay your taxes? You better come to court. Skip court? You're going to jail. Become a fugitive? It will only be worse when they eventually find you. Don't pay a traffic ticket? Same thing. The essence of government is the monopoly of force over a population.

With that said, if we have no government, then we lose the protections that government provides. No military, no FBI, no police. Nothing.

Maybe it would be nice for a while, until people revert to their natural tendencies of tribalism, and war, and exploitation.

Any land without government protections will inevitably be invaded by an outside force, or wracked with conflict from those who try to rise to power, until eventually, a group becomes strong enough to defeat all of it's rivals - thus creating a new monopoly of force - thus creating a new government.

Anarcho capitalism is fucking stupid.
Anarcho communism is fucking stupid.
All anarchists are fucking stupid.

If you want to live in a region ravaged by warlords vying for power, just come to Africa.

>>132854875

Would you kill now if someone ' violated your property'? What constitutes a great enough violation of your property to justify killing? Would you be more or less likely to kill if there was a threat of significant jail time for killing? Do you think anyone would be deterred because of this threat?

>>132855502
I hope they arent paying you.
Because you arent not a good shill

>>132847835
You can only have freedom in a HIGH IQ, ETHNICALLY HOMOGENOUS and WHITE society. If your country is full of wogs then you're going to need DRACONIAN MEASURES to keep them in check. The solution? Get the wogs out.

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>>132855340
Allow them to agree to rules in which a society is founded upon (See Bill of Rights, extended - the Declaration of Independence). Everyone agrees those are the rules, and we abide by such rules.

True Freedom does not exist beyond the individual, and the moment an individual agrees/recognizes themselves as part of a society, they must agree to relinquish such rights/liberties not guaranteed by the statement of their whole.

If you are born within a society, with such marked freedom, and you do not agree with those freedom, you must be allowed to leave that society.

>True Freedom
Is a myth. Current society does not allow for total freedom of the individual - if you do not agree with this principle, you may disavow and leave at any point. Such as Argument from Utopia isn't worth exploring, if no avenues of approach exist without completely destroying Society as we know it.

>>132854748
>>132853909
>>132852535
I don't understand anarchists, why don't you guys just do whatever you want if you believe it's the best thing to do? either way no matter if there's a state or no state some armed group is gonna try and impose their rules over you.

>>132847835
Because they want someone else to baby them and give them chicken tenders instead of working or being a part of society. We're on 4chan. Obviously.

>>132856605
See>>132855606

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>>132847835
>lebbit the cartoon
s*ged

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>>132856190
For the same reason the left pushes for more gibs, or nationalists push for a more homogenized culture. Technically, they could (for the most part) organize and form enclaves in their own respective societies of likeminded people with an agreed upon set of rules, but they don't because their true objectives are not solely based on themselves, but on some change to the greater society.

>>132848566
Protect the borders from what. You can open the borders just end gibsmedats

>>132853024
No safety net
Private market will do better
Brainwashing

>>132857527
>not trusting women enough to give them bullets
smart move, jews

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>>132847939
this

>>132855606
>It's as foolish as the idea of functional communism.
Communism doesn't even make sense. There are inherent contradictions in its implementation such that, even "on paper", it is inconsistent and riddled with fallacies. Anarcho-capitalism, while it hasn't truly been attempted before (its still a relatively young ideology) is at least coherent in its demands.

>Any land without government protections will inevitably be invaded by an outside force, or wracked with conflict from those who try to rise to power, until eventually, a group becomes strong enough to defeat all of it's rivals - thus creating a new monopoly of force - thus creating a new government.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why would decentralized/private defense agencies be any less effective than a 'public' one, especially given that literally everything else from nuclear power plants to food contradict this line of reasoning?

>If you want to live in a region ravaged by warlords vying for power, just come to Africa.
Black people can't civilization, lol.
There are plenty of other reasons that can explain why Africa is in the state it is in now that have nothing to do with Libertarian governance.

>>132853856
>implying at least half of /pol/ isn't literal shitskins
Almost as sad as the IQ of the board meme but it couldn't be that /pol/ is at least half shitskins. Everything goes over the head of the PC police at cuckpol.

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I grew out of it, you have to understand that national socialism is about humanity and every single ethnicity having their own nation doing what they can to progress themselves. Capitalistic anarchy is about chaotic culture and the richest getting everything, I live in the nordic model which is as close as you can get today I guess. My father is a doctor and I'm a Business Analyst, we're both in the upper middle class in our country and getting large portions of our income taken doesn't bother us. You know why?. Because my government isn't run by Jews, not a single one. I trust them like they trust us, I want the labor workers in my country to have somewhat the same quality of living being able to have health care and education for their children to progress our economy.
The problem is now that mass immigration is happening all across Europe, even we are taking in a few although we're very careful about it, some take advantage of this beautiful system but I've seen others working hard sending their children to school. I don't mind some diversity I guess as long as I trust my government and that they will continue having whites in the ~90% majority.

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>alt right
>socialism

Pick one you stupid cunt

>>132850266
>objecting to overlords
>supporting a system that enables overlords easy mode

i can't even count how many times ancaps have made retarded statements

>>132847835
Freedoms overrated

Most people don't want maximum freedom, they want a family, a house, a job that's it.

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>>132855170
preach it, brother!

ethnic national socialism is the way to go.

>>132853752
Nazis are the most delusional fucking retards I have ever seen

>libertardianism