Look, as funny and satisfying as it would be if Trump was responsible

Fuck off traitor America's going to fucking Mars commie bastard

>>132729868
That would be cool, but the future of space exploration should be led by people like Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk. People who have the money, and want to go to space without spending taxpayer money.

>>132729754
Unfortuntely the plan is like this: Republican 100% majority, so the party can FINNALY fucking break up into conservaties, libertarians, neo-cons, demorats, monarchists, exc.

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>>132730575
I guess it's something like that. I like Mike as a person, but he's too big government for me.

We can't even build a simple moon base.

We will never set a foot on Mars before 2030.

>>132730889
I've heard from Papa Jones he might be a hidden globalist. Wouldn't suprise me if somehow connected with the pedo ring.
Only people I trust in your goverment is Trump and Rand Paul.
Unfortunetely the Republican party turned out to be Democrats lite.

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>>132730991
Rand is one of the only people in our Congress who has any guts at all. I do like him.

>>132729754
Spending money on engineering achievements is exactly the kind of money government should spend.

>>132731202
Unfortunetely he went full retard in the presidential election.
Who gives a fuck about niggers?

>>132729754
The space program generally produces money in the long run, it's one of the few government expenditures that has consistently paid off.

This is why establishing a Space Force is so essential--the one budget that nobody in the US will EVER cut is the military, and the budgets bloat intentionally because it's a way of waving Uncle Sam's dick around while employing 3 million people.

Once the Space Force is official, it'll get 100 billion dollars a year or more, and they'll slowly dump more and more money into it because muh troops. They'll end up building a fucking dyson sphere just to avoid coming in under budget.

>>132731584
Do you really believe a goverment program every pays off?

>>132730138
Kek

>>132731651
The numbers I saw for NASA looked pretty good. Sure the government then wastes all the money on nothing, but it did make a lot of it.

>>132731651
Yes, because no private interest will ever invest in the technology needed for space travel because there is no immediate profit in it- but the technologies created which trickle-down can.

>>132731939
>White people don't see long term profit
Dude we literally evolved to do that.

>>132729754
Money that aren't spent on getting to Mars are going to gibsmedats anyway fucker. What would you rather they spend it on?
I would gladly see 3/4th of Earth's population starve to death within a year if it enabled humanity to colonize other planets. all it takes is one huge asteroid and we're toast.

>>132732153
Capitalism is about maximizing profit and minimizing cost- space travel is costly and the technology created, while profitable, is not enough to warrant it. I can make a lot more money, cheaper and more reliably, by selling specialized dildos than dreaming up ways to the stars.

>>132732547
But if the free market were to exist for a long enough time, than demand on earth would probably at some point be mostly met and people would aim for the stars.
If not then just private funding. I'd definitely donate to some white nation space organisation.

>>132732547
Depends on how far they are willing to invest. If they manage to claim an entire planet's worth of resources, then it could potentially be really fucking profitable. Hell, there are asteroids out there containing resources worth enough to buy a medium-sized country.

>>132732752
Yes, but in the meantime the state can invest in long-term projects like space-travel and such. Privatization works great when there is a market, which is not the case for space exploration (yet)

>>132733021
I mean, I'd pay 1000$ for a piece of moon rock if I had the money. There definitely is a market and it's being limited by the goverment insitutions in many ways.

>>132733106
AFAIK there are no restrictions on private companies researching space exploration- there just aren't many of them because the market is too small. Hence why the USA and USSR government programs pioneered the field. When the market is small and the likelihood of major profit slim, the government is best suited for investing in the field.

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>>132733021
>in the meantime the state can invest in long-term projects like space-travel and such.
they really cant. pic related

>>132733378
Is NASA unionized?

>>132729754
Need more money for dem space programs

>>132733353
I didn't even mean market regulation, I mean taxation. People's wealth is being stolen to fuel some leftist dream of equality. Imagine what would happen if we manage to catch a rock worth something like the whole of Poland.

The goverment in Poland funded millions to a space institution. 80% of the money went to wages ( stolen ) .

>>132729754
And you care about NASA?
You know what's NASA's budget?
8 billion.
You know the military's?
Almost 900 billion.

>>132733921
The only responsibility of a goverment is to protect it's people from enemies foreign and domestics.
Although I definitely agree your entire military funding is retarded and a result of a corrupt goverment.

>>132733992
It is, but you don't need 900 billion when your biggest enemy are sandniggers armed with rust AK47s built by the Soviets right after WWII ended.
And they would have even less if the government stopped giving them resources.
I don't know why they couldn't give 100 billion to NASA, and another 100 to SpaceX.

>>132729754
finally, we can build Enterprise.

This is it guys. We be space heros and shieeet.

AnCap scum

>>132734317
If technological progress follows the current path, we will only reach Alpha Centauri, our nearest star, by the 32nd century.
So nope.

>>132730991
I can't remember where I read this, but someone posited that Russia could have had a hand in hacking into the United States presidential election and changing all the votes so that Trump won. Can't remember where I saw this but we may want to look into it.

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>>132734123
You do know where the money comes from, right?
I hope we can privatise the military at some point in history.
>>132734361
What's your argument?

>>132734383
damn. here I thought we'd make starships that just shoot ship-bourne phasers onto the planet surface to get ISIS.

WE CAN DO THIS

>>132729754
But how else are we going to establish a beachhead for the Anunaki?

>>132729754
less government waste, retard

>>132734437
"hack"
its such a vague term being batted around by normies in the politics and media

> by repairing my computer with a screwdriver, I've essentially "hacked" my computer
> this must make me a hacker
> goes to head with feelings of superiority.

Holy shit this thread made me realise that poor right wingers are just as fucking bad as left wingers.

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>>132730138
Fuck off, I don't want my descendants' future to be owned by some fucking corporation

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>>132734528
You may get to see ships, or even planetary bases.
The problem is the distance, everything is really far away in space.
4 light years around the solar system there's literally nothing, and our galaxy is estimated to have around 400 billion stars.
The problem will be developing FTL drives, if they can be made, and a way to power them.
NASA only has concepts of how to make one of these ships, and they even made some CGIs of how one of those would look like.
But right now it would be retardedly expensive.
The most plausible warp drive is the Alcubierre drive, which would be powered by exotic matter and anti matter, and creating 1 gram of antimatter would lost around 100 trillion dollars, which is 25 trillion more than the money there is on Earth.

Then again, who knows what might happen, maybe someone will make an extraordinary breakthrough.
The Wright brothers said that it would take millions of years to develop a plane capable of crossing the atlantic, and 70 years later we went to the moon.

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>>132729754
GET YOUR ANUSES READY

>>132730138
this is how u get shit like Red Faction.

>>132735073
>trillions of dollars

Or free if we still had slaves. I love progressivism.

>>132729754
While I agree about cutting spending, but I think we all know it's crucial to colonize mars to solve the muzzy problem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html

>>132735073
Your average FTL is too slow, not to mention dangerous. Wanna know what a ship travelling even close to lightspeed would do to a planet if it smashed into it?

We need wormholes.

>>132735387
Wouldn't it have much less kinetic energy? So literally nothing?

>>132729754
>Space leadership
>Cuts funding to nasa

Hummm...

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>>132730138
Jethuth Cwithe could you have led with worse people? Stellar b8 it almost got me boiled

>>132729754
Yes, the western world should give its money to help niggers over the whole world, but not invest money in something that could benefit our entire civilization for generations to come.
amazing plan.

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>>132735387
Oh yeah, spaceships will be treated with the same respect as we treat nuclear reactors.
The problem with wormholes is that opening a white hole in a specific place would be retardedly hard, not to mention that, theorically, the moment something tries to pass a wormhole it would inmediatly close itself.
And yeah, FTL is slow if you travel at light speed, but FTL means Faster Than Light.

>>132735515
The most dangerous weapon in the future will be high-speed spaceships.

>>132735575
What they have to do is give it to SpaceX.
NASA seems very busy taking pretty pictures of Saturn.

>>132729754
I agree

Trump and Pence need to tell NASA to put down their telescopes and pick up a bible or he's pulling their funding.

>>132730138

>elon musk
>not spending public taxes in his private company

What are subsidies anyways, right senpai

>>132729754

You didn't vote for shit, and you're clearly a """concerned""" shill blue

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>>132735515
F=ma, you learned this in school. Just because you're travelling incredibly fast doesn't mean you're suddenly not made of physical matter.

>>132735667
Even if you could travel at double light speed, you're looking at sitting on a ship for 2 years until you reach the next star, and generating the energy you need is just as hard. We may not even need space travel if we perfect wormholes

>>132736140
Yeah but a planet also is travelling and has incredibly more mass.

>>132729754
It's just another money laundering scheme.

The earth is flat look up 200 flat earth proofs on YouTube.

They fake NASA feeds, no satellite of chunk of metal can survive in the exosphere where the Suns radiation can make temperatures in objects reach 2000 degrees Celsius.

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>>132729754
>not wanting your country to reaffirm its global dominance by doing the unthinkable

>but this cuck wants to save a few dollars

KILL YOURSELF!

>>132736292
Doesn't matter, even a small ball travelling at the speed of light will reduce a planet to dust. We're not talking about the object's mass as much as we're talking about the speed here.

>>132729754
You could pay for the Mars mission for 1% of nigger welfare bucks.

>>132736374
the eaths magnetic feild protects us from radiation you dumbass! you can see the radiation bouncing off the weakest point in the arctic circle hence the northern lights

you STUPID fucking RETARD!

>>132729754
Reminds that space is fake, earth is flat.

>>132736470
Maybe you're right but the energy to speed up a spaceship would then take entire planet's worth of energy.

>>132736577
>ever replying to flat earth leftists

>>132736602
Yes, but we're not talking about speeding the ship up, we're talking about what happens when it collides with something. Nothing survives.

>>132735667
You're just regurgitating some bullshit fed to you by virgin Nye the science guy and his nigger physicist friend.

All of this is sci fi, they made (((Star Trek))) and (((Star Wars))) to fool you into believing the space larp is true.

Michelson Morley did not disprove ether, Sagnac confirmed it, and m and m may have discovered earth is stationary.

Before larping the science meme read principia and then einsteins original papers. It's all a scam.

>>132736374
Look up south Atlantic anomaly dickwad. And no magnetosphere does not protect against thermal radiation. You stupid fat fuck. This is what burger education looks like.

>>132729754
The US will now be led from a space station. Cool.

>>132736735
even alex jones wouldnt touch this shit

people who come to pol to get "redpilled" see you cucks who dont understand basic science and think every video on youtube is valid see you and think we are all retards

stop making us a laughing stock

>>132731202
Too intelligent to win

>>132736735
>>132736838
>leaf

>>132736625
if you cannot form a meaning reply, that might be an indication you have no argument dude.

Also, flat earthers are generally right wing, or centrist, if being generous : most are christian, or at LEAST religious in some way,.

>>132736927
Using Alex Jones as a baseline.

Now I understand why your country is being raped by mudslimes.

Go read and think you retard, look into sagnac and laser gyros. They display markedly different speeds of light in various positions and speed.

They changed the meter to mean 1/300000000 of the speed of light cause scientists all over the world were getting varying speeds of light.

They use math magic to trick you. Go read you dumbfuck. You're getting (((their))) cock raping your brain you Brit beta.

>>132729754
Voting republican is for voting for American exceptionalism without crushing citizens underfoot with Draconian laws, not penny-pinching purse-string politics.

Going to Mars is not only our species' destiny, it is a biological imperative for our long-term survival. Also, it would stick in the craw of the Leftist, who would have used those funds for feeding third-world invaders in exchange for votes.

>>132737141
Because I don't want to, you behave like a cult attacking and insulting anyone who doesn't believe you, AKA, leftist behaviour.

>>132737182
>Now I understand why your country is being raped by mudslimes.
This coming from a leaf?

>>132737001
Trailer trash.

>>132729754
What if we could find some new material on some planet, it could be revolutionary

>>132737472
Or it could be nothing.

>>132737304
Also I just listed multiple rational reasons and you are replying with leaf and cult.

Once a beta trailer trash Cuck always a beta trailer trash cuck.

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I want off this planet as much as the next guy, but until we figure out how to literally fucking teleport, it's not happening. Better try escapism guys, your sci-fi fantasies won't come true in your life time.

>>132737579
Buy a plane, go to the limit of the planet, show me pics.
Until then, leave.

>>132737182
sorry lad but under trudeu you have been damaged far greater than the uk you are sweden tier

im not sure if you are a poe or really this retarded

>>132737472
Helium-3 can be extracted from both Martian and Lunar regolith in vast quantities. It is the wet-dream of ecologists and the erotic fantasy of energy producers in terms of cost vs. output.

>>132730138
>go to space without spending taxpayer money
No dollar spent on space tech is a waste of money. Arguably, every single dollar *not* spent on space is wasted.

Space colonization means access to infinite natural resources and infinite land, meaning infinite growth and infinite jobs, and offers an unassailable high ground from which to destroy our enemies without fear of reprisal. It's the number one national security priority, economic priority, and social priority. We should be spending hundreds of billions every year on this.

>>132737794
Said Mr. Luddite, snapping a wooden strut in his fat, grubby fingers.

>>132737837
Sure give me a few years to work hard and accumalate wealth while you rot in your trailer park drinking pabst as your white gf gets blacked.

I'll also show you a picture of Godzilla to prove to you a giant lizard exists in Japan.

Retard.

>>132737986
Are you homosexual?

>>132738199
I'm sure there's enough flat earthers out there to pitch in money for that.

>>132737969
This and enslave Alien scum

>>132737969
Once again:

You're just regurgitating some bullshit fed to you by virgin Nye the science guy and his nigger physicist friend.

All of this is sci fi, they made (((Star Trek))) and (((Star Wars))) to fool you into believing the space larp is true.

Michelson Morley did not disprove ether, Sagnac confirmed it, and m and m may have discovered earth is stationary.

Before larping the science meme read principia and then einsteins original papers. It's all a scam.

After exhaustively reading through this thread, I've compiled the following pros and cons of space travel.

PROS:
>expanded land
>avoiding the machinations of one-world-government types
>post-scarcity colonies
>advanced tech
>space mining
>eternal avoidance of judaism/muslims/negroes/etc
>long term survival of the species
>unexploited sources of wealth
>fulfillment of desire for exploration
>energy production
>relieving over-population
>just-for-the-hell-of-its


CONS:
Not giving your tax-monies to dindus.

The PROS have it, we're going to fucking Space.

>>132737532
Well do you really think of all the planets that exist some of them dont have superior material that is yet unknow to us?

>>132738372
/thread

>>132736140
I'm not that concerned about interstellar travel, it's a problem for some future generation. However, faster in-system travel would be very neat. Imagine reaching Mars in a day, or farther away objects in a few more. The system would be our playground. And with the resources, technologies and experience we'd gain that way, we'd lay the groundwork for future, interstellar travel.

>>132738763
We are already faster.
Saturn V took 2 days to reach the moon, while New Horizons went past it after 8 hours.
We still have a lot to work towards to, but progress it's getting done.

>>132738372
There is nothing in space thats worth it at current technology level.
Even if we found gold on the moon it wouldn't be cost effective to mine it.
Any dollars spent on space are dollars that won't see a return this century.

I get that we need to try to get better at it, and over time it will be worth it, but right now is a bad time.

>>132739237
Okay, I was wondering about this. Alcubierre drive is usually envisioned as a means of "superluminal" space travel. However, there are problems with reaching the energy requirements.

But, if it were designed to reach sub luminal speeds, would it be easier? It'd be very convenient if possible.

>>132739376
You don't get magically better at things.

>>132738372
This

>>132739512
Yes, a lot of problems with it would vanish if you travel below light speed, mostly the energy requirements and the integrity of the ship inside the warp bubble.

>>132735151
What the fuck did I just read?

>>132739564
You also don't sign up for dancing classes when you are bankrupt and starving.
This is a bad moment. We are about to enter a period where we need serious economic reform, because of low IQ jobs being automated, and having a lot of bored and mad low IQ unemployed people at an age of unprecedented free long distance communication.

>>132739788
SOON COMING TO YOUR NEAREST LIBRARY

THE BIBLE 2: THE REVENGE OF JC

>>132739817
The countries that engage in space travel are neither bankrupt nor starving. Not to mention that expanding the space industry would create more jobs on all levels, as the supporting infrastructure and manufacturing would have to be immense.

>>132729754
Nice try, faggot. NASA has a 10x ROI. Need to spend more on NASA.

Prominent American space activists already laughed at Pence because he just says things yet he does not provide any real plans or steps. Its coold to say we will be great, but you need to say how exactly you will be diferent than Obama on space? No changes yet seen other than that Space councel recreation.

>>132730575
Don't forget the fucking evangelicals that pissed me off to no end and I've been Republican since '87.

>>132729754
They better hope the old addage about there only being men from mars and girls from venus is untrue, otherwise mike "homocaust" pence will be creating a second sun for the whole of the galaxy to bare witness.
"Such is the cost of butthole blasphemy, now burn sodomites"

>>132731273
Like the kaffir-launching low-orbit trebuchet.

>>132735073
There is more money in the world than 75 trillion dollars; GDP is productivity, not economic worth.