Fascism>Capitalism>Socialism>Commun ism Any objections?

>>132636345
we already have that.
it's proven to be unbridled cancer

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>anything better than capitalism

Go jump out of a helicopter, communist filth. It's physical removal time bitches.

Capitalism > Fascism > Socialism > Communism.
The corporations will give themselves power through the state. Corporations supported by the state without incentive to compete against private entities will result in a stagnant economy.

>>132636623
the only thing worse than a facist is an anarchist, neck yourself my dude

>>132636345
Thats not even what fascism is.
Youre autistic

>>132636345
Congratulations, you managed to get that ranking completely backwards

>>132636731
What about a Capitalist Fascist?

>>132636345
Kekism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything

>>132636623
DAily reminder that ancap was a literal meme and always was up until reddit arrived and the newfags didnt know the memeballs were actually mocking ancaps.

>>132637115
An oxymoron. Capitalism supports economic freedom and individualism.

>>132636345
The answer is always capitalism, as private property necessitates the development of individual responsibility as well as specialized fitness for trade in free markets.

Authoritarian-style for wartime. Libertarian-style for peacetime.

>>132636345

Its obvious you don't know what either Socialism or Fascism is.

>>132636966
You probably don't know what our ideology is, we're not those "overthrow the goverment violently and everything will be fine" type of fags.
>>132637212
>>132637115
Fascists Libertarianism would mean achiving libertarianism in a fascist way - see Pinochet.

Doesn't really matter if your society is at least 95% white

When normies irl complain about why they can't have free healthcare I tell them its because too many niggers and mexicans to abuse the system

You have to be racist to get gibs

>>132637532
Pinochet wasn't even close to a fascist.

>>132637532
Pinochet was brutal and his actions were determined to violate the NAP in various ways. At least he got rid of the socialists.

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>>132637326
This.

Commies get the fuck off my board

>>132636345

As long as the right is in control and the jew gassed? Nope.

>>132637632
He was pretty close.
>>132637662
He might have broken the NAP in other ways, but killing communists and removing socialists does NOT break the NAP. These people don't believe in something AS BASIC as private property. They NEED to be removed.
>>132637670
Commies shall be thrown from rotary vehicles into bodies of water.

>>132637201
It makes more sense than any other meme ideology once you read a bit about it in 4chan.

Segregation could be the best way to achieve our goals.

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>>132636345
A S C E N D E D

>>132637212
>>132637326

Retards like you think the economy under fascism and communism is the same? Fascism has exactly the focus on individual economic freedom, individualism and private property, it is seen as imperative for economic strife. Only difference basically is for people with big capital, i.e. they are not allowed to do as they please, like undermining state authority, influencing the people with the media etc...

Yet, they still can create businesses, prosper, get rich etc as they please. Even National Socialism had this and the "socialism" in that basically was just high taxes with a big welfare state. Switched to modern living standards, current Germany, Denmark or Norway would basically be the "socialism" part of NatSoc, yet the nationalist component is obviously missing.

Just like in capitalism, the economy is driven by competition, while the individual can accumulate large amounts of capitals and mostly do has he pleases. Once you fuck up though, the state will come and really fuck your ass, how it should be.

>>132637808
No he wasn't fascism requires government control.
>>132637326
Capitalism with no government intervention at all simply doesn't work in the modern society. The advancement in technology means that small cultural and ideological enclaves can't exist and corporatism doesnt help either. Theres a reason america went from basically libertarian paradise with a bunch of subcultures to a cultureless wasteland.

We already have a merger of state and corporate power in America. We elites control the government. You're all a bunch of peasants no better than the most destitute nigger or even a bug on the side walk. The very second that your services for me are complete or the fact they are unneeded will you revert to bug status where you will remain until your death. You live in your own personal vacuums where we've placed you and we've even convinced you that life is beautiful while we suck the energy from every waking moment of your life to add to our own because our time IS finite. We even convinced you not to worry about your life because you will experience an afterlife full of endless happiness and euphoria, and don't doubt it, because you will suffer eternal suffering if you do. You were born stupid, raised by stupid parents that we control in a society we control and there's nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

>>132638077
No it doesn't, it literally can't work with modern technology and corporations especially if you add other countries into the equation.

What about Social Nationalism?

>>132636345
Fascism is literally as retarded as communism. Why not just have a society rule out its out laws while keeping out (((foreign interest)))

>>132638300
I prefer capitalism anarchy

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>>132636623
Remind me how anarcho-capitalism worked out for Minerva?

>>132637115
fascism is directly opposed to capitalism

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>>132638585

Real fascism hasn't been tried amirite?

Kill yourself, cryptocommie.

>>132636345
Breddy good imo, though I don't know exactly what fascism is about

>>132638149
Basically this.

The quote in OPs picture is probably one of the most misunderstood phrases from the 20th century. It doesn't mean that corporate interests influence and supersede the government, like so many liberals have used it to mean. It means that corporate interests are curtailed at the point where they no longer serve the public interest.

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>>132636345
National Syndicalism Master Race Here

Franco did nothing wrong

>>132639518
Everything went downhill without Rivera

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>>132638778
>Real fascism hasn't been tried amirite
Literally no one ever says this.

Also, remind me how anarcho-capitalism worked out for Minerva?

>>132638585
>Minerva
What? Usually people write some stupid shit like Somalia.>>132639684

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>>132639785
No, that's not really a fair comparison, Somalia is literally the result of a failed Marxist socialist state.

>>132639863
Redpill me on Minerva. What is Minerva? Where is Minerva? What happened there?

>>132636345
I thought you cucks hated socialism. You understand Nazi party is socialism, right? And that Hitler was going to remove Christianity after the war?

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>being such a bootlicker you actually think Fascism benefits you as a common person

"We must tear down their offices and break up the Unions, we must rip the worker out of the system" Adolf Hitler, 1935, speech against "Socialism"

>>132639602
True. I was memeing

In all honesty had Primo de Rivera been in charge of the Falange and not Franco, that regime would not have the negative connotations it had today. Franco watered down most of the true Syndicalist elements of the party.

>>132636345
the arrows should be the other way around

>>132640166
I agree with this statement. The system HAS to be based on the customer in order to thrive. A free market system is where the customer decides everything essentialy.

>>132640079
Its not marxist socialism. Its just having shit like free child care and shit. Theres no marxist end goals of universal equality, all that matters is that your people benefit. The thing is Americans have trouble with this because we don't have a real ethnic group or identity.

>>132640079
>I thought you cucks hated socialism.
Socialists want us to disappear in our homelands that why.

>You understand Nazi party is socialism, right?
Not the same type of socialism.

>And that Hitler was going to remove Christianity after the war?
Why is this bad again?

>>132640166
funny how googling that quote returns no results. gonna need source or you are a lying faggot

>>132640371
I disagree.
The Customer is a tool in buying my shit, and that is it. I can respect them as a human, but if they shit on my floor, get the fuck out.

>>132640518
Throwing out drunk people from your property is not free market economics dude, I'm just talking that the system should be 100% capitalist.

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>>132636623
oh i got defeated by state built roads.

TIL /pol/ doesn't know much about fascism

>>132640929
No one would be stopping you from throwing out niggers from your private property in an-capistan.
Also, constitution doesn't limit the goverment, libertarians do, that's why it's so big now.

>>132641431
One thing i never understood is why ancaps think they're ideology is right wing at all. Its not the 1770's anymore where moral people are the majority, they are by far out numbered and with the advances of modern communications its not like you can just have your little religious community without outside influence, especially now that subcultures barely exist in the US. There nothing there to stop any bad industries like porn producers or dildo factories.

>>132641690

Degenerates rely on the (((state))) to florish. In a true free market they would die off.

Basic survival of the fittest.

>>132641690
We're as right wing as you can get. 90% of the influence is created by goverments. It's not like dildos will not exist under national socialism, wtf are you on about?

>>132636345
>Choosing Fascism over Monarchism.

>>132638167
>Theres a reason america went from basically libertarian paradise with a bunch of subcultures to a cultureless wasteland.

Yeah, it's called communism, dipshit.

>>132636345
Okay so the current world system, which is all of those combined with some oligarchism thrown in for good measure. The last in fact has displaced pure capitalism, which is the system of freedom, but the gibmes screwed that up because you had to work for it. The whole system is progressivism, because it sounds nice, and benign.

>>132641690
Ancap is the most right wing ideology possible

(((natsocs))) and fascists are pretty much left wing

>>132641998
Dildos won't exist under national socialism because any producers of them can be shut down by the state. What i'm saying is that the general values of your average person have degraded substantially since liberal values were made. You're not gonna have a bunch of little farming villages with self determination, theres no means to enforce any right wing attitudes anywhere besides where people are already right wing at this point.
The entire idea behind liberal values was that the population was already moral and if you let people do what they want the community can enforce their own morality, at the time of the creation of liberal values most communities were very religious.
>>132642105
No its called industry and urbanization which you arent gonna get rid of.
>>132642306
Why does limited government come from classical liberalism which isn't that far right?

Fascism is what the USA has now. Corrupt media, megacorporations, an ever increasing federal government. You sure you want fascism?

>>132642306
>he doesn't realize political wings are dictated based on use hierarchy vs equality

>>132642450
The goverment CANNOT enforce morality though, it never did, it never will can.
Also you're a retard if you think dildos ARE LITERALLY not going to exist under nat-soc.
What's stopping the jews living in different countries paying off your politicians?

>>132642467
No it isn't see: >>132638149

>>132642528

Ancap is hierachy, moron. Productive capitalists would be at the top.

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>>132641416
For some reason they all think it's either capitalism with protectionism or just straight up socialism.

>>132640026
Basically some rich dumbass decides to dump a bunch of rocks in the ocean and declare it an independent nation. Nearby Tongan government decides they don't like this and send military troops to occupy it. Minerva stops existing shortly thereafter.

>>132642695
His definition is what we have now. Corporatism and big government are hallmarks of fascism.

>>132642604
National socialism doesn't have politicians that are voted in, its simply based off of merit and when your entire country isn't run by a cabal its harder to get away with that shit.

>>132642786
The entire point is the the government can curb the power of corporations, what we have now are the corporations owning the state.

>>132638699
No it's not you fucking retard.
That's like saying socialism is directly opposed to communism

>>132642802
You know the Politburo was run like that, right? That turned out so well!

>>132639863
Kinda repugnant to see those subhuman apes wearing those clothes.

>>132642528
>Equality in an-capistan
Top fucking kek. Go to work or die starving.
>>132642739
That's not how we want to achieve an-capistan. My idea is it will take hundreds of years. No violent over-throw. Only achievable position this day and age is monarchism.

>>132643057
Yeah its almost like they had an entirely different ideology and were chinks.

>>132643002
In fascist nations such as Germany many companies drowned out other buisinesses because the owners were party members. The luftwaffes suppliers were one big trust.

>>132643213
They had problems beyond Communism with that approach. It was difficult to remove bad leaders.

Fascism is a meme that always devolves into communism.

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>>132643123
You do realize that they were trained by the Prussians right? That's why they dress that way. Also I don't know why you would call them subhuman considering they've got 1st world quality of life in Chile.

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>>132636345
Hang on

>Capitalism>Socialism>Communism>Cutting your own dick off>Fascism

Capitalism has the longest life span and most success out of all those things. Fascism lasted a decade or two and got crushed. Even fucking stupid ass communism managed to last longer than that in the face of foreign and domestic opposition.

>>132643284
Thats not the same as we have today where the corporations literally are the government though, the people who owned those corporations werent the decision makers. >>132639386 is a better quote.

>>132643425
Or more precisely socialism since communism is an unachievable daydream.

>>132643532
It lasted a decade or two because all of the commies and jew controlled capitalists intervened (which equated to most of the planet).

>>132642705
>>132643128
how can you guys be this dumb? i'm saying right wing is dictated by hierarchy, fascism is the epitome of hierarchy, making fascism at the top of the most right wing

>>132643571
Goering and the SS were notorious for getting away with taking advantage of a powerful state. Capitalism with big gov always leads to corporatism.

>>132643532
Capitalism>Monarchism>Republicanism>Socialism>Fascism>Communism
>>132643840
What stops you from taxing the population at 50% and making welfare programs?

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>>132643908
>Capitalism with big gov always leads to corporatism
Are you using the fascist definition of corporatism? Because that's not even close to what that means.

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>>132643840
>fashie calling anyone else dumb

toppest of keks

get the fuck off my board

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>>132636623
>>132636731
>>132637212
>>132637662
>>132637670
>>132638778
>>132640371
>>132640700
>>132641431
>>132641998
>>132642306
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>>132642705
>>132643128
>>132643934

>lolbertardians

On the day of the rope, you will be the first.

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>>132643823
>Muh Lost Cause fantasy

All the capitalists were trying to crush the communist countries too, but that still managed to stick around for many decades. What's fascism's excuse? "We're the master race, that's why we keep fucking losing"?

>>132643908
Yes but the key point here is that the government still maintained control over the moral basis of the country's economic happenings. Goering and any other guy could never have tried making some porn industry or anything like that, they still served the race. Most of the world governments today are owned by banks and jews, thats not gonna happen under fascism.

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>>132643908
I doubt you know what corporatism means

>>132636345
you can switch capitalism and fascism, depending on your needs. If you're rich, you don't want to pay for white gibsmedats

>>132644077
Not an argument you socialist retard.

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capitalism and individualism are the biggest cancer on this earth

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>>132636345
Bump down fascism a couple places.

>>132644123
Did the jewish controlled anglos or americans declare war on any communists? No, because the jews who owned america france and britain united with the soviets to remove the only threat. Hitler didn't know how bad things were in here and the UK.

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>>132637198
You have to go back

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>>132644123
Fascism lasted from 1922 to 1978, that's more than a decade or two.

>>132644409
Why aren't you a monarchist?

>>132644361
In ww2 that is

>>132644132
Se we replace jews with whites who act like jews?

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>>132644069
>>132644192
>>132644482
>he wants anarchy
>he wants to give the jews free reign to fuck over the working man
>he wants to dissolve the military

You hippie fucks need to learn a good lesson

Get the fuck off my board

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>>132644348
>forgetting the Spanish Miracle
>forgetting Salazar's Portugal

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>>132644077
On the Day of the Rope, the police will gun your faggot ass down and we'll forget about you the second Trump tweets something meme-worthy.

>>132644361
>da joos

Not an argument

>>132644409
>Muh Franco Spain

Literally who the fuck cares about those irrelevant spics?

>>132644482
Fascism is just monarchism applied to the modern age,

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>>132644606
>capitalist undermines ideas of jewish control

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>>132644482
Monarchy is a close 2nd after Fascism. Don't forget that fascism is based off of nations such as the Roman Empire or Chinese Empire, which existed and prospered in ancient times as well. If monarchy has history to back its success, so does fascism.

>>132644566
Tell me retard, where do Jews get their money from?
>>132644613
Not really.
Monarchy>Oligarchy>Republic>Democracy
Aren't fascist military guys or voted in by people?
>>132644803
Then only leave Fascism for war. Chinks are scum, but the Roman Empire only had a fascist for war.

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>>132644600
>implying either of those were fascist

>>132643532
The fascists took on virtually the whole world, how ignorant are you?

>>132644348
You do know that nazi germany was booming while the rest of world was at crisis.

>>132644872
No one is voted in.

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>>132644803
>We wuz emperors

The autism is strong in this one.

ITT:
>People who don't understand what Il Duce meant by "corporations."

Here's a hint fellas, he didn't mean Fiat and Barilla.

>>132645100
Than how do they go to the top?

>>132636345
Capitalism>Fascism>Socialism>Helicopter anchors

All statists are cucks

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>>132644919
>nationalist
>corporatist
>authoritarian
>dictatorship
They were either fascist or so close to fascist that the distinction of very minor. The only things that could have made them more fascist is if they were more populist and appealed to the National Syndicalists more.

>>132644872
>Then only leave Fascism for war. Chinks are scum, but the Roman Empire only had a fascist for war.
I can't really understand what you're trying to say here.

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>>132645083
And lost, causing the mass destruction of their countries, people and cultures. What a wonderful system you've got there. Put it in place and in just a few years, you too can have a rubblestrewn shithole ruled over by a delirious asshole

>>132645295
Oh silly burger, liking your freedoms

>>132645339
The Romans were a Rep#%#$blic
They only had a fascist for war. Then some faggot decided he's gonna stay a fascist and started the cause of why Rome failed.
>>132645295
Freedom lovers unite!

>>132645197
Its run off of a system of merit. Theres no gay bullshit democracy or public influence on it nor are there any systems as vulnerable to exterior influence as demcoracy.

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>>132644348
corpo=body
corporatism is the nation functioning like a body in perfect unity, with limbs representing different industries and factions

>>132645456
You do realize rome was in a pretty deep decline until caesar came in right?

>>132645470
So what you mean by fascism is a huge goverment, where the more work you do then you can go to the top? This is what Chinks have currently, they still have corruption.

>>132644803

Your mind is diseased if you need a king daddy emperor to tell you what to do

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>>132645104
>being this autistic about the Roman Empire
Come on, it's like you're not even trying anymore.

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>>132636345
Nah

>>132636345
Can we change capitalism to libertarianism? Nationalist libertarianism.

>>132641416
>B-b-but Molyneux told me it was the same thing as socialism !

>>132645563
Wtf are you talking about political people are selected by leaders based off of their ideology and loyalty to the party.

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>>132636345
>cuck cigar flag loving moron posting his little fantasy bullshit

fascism, socialism and communism have all failed to produce any country worth a damn.

capitalism built america, the de facto leader of the PLANET EARTH. you are factually wrong, you obvious product of meth fueled incest.

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>>132645456
>Freedom lovers unite!

You forgot to change your flag

>>132645092
You do know that's entirely because they defaulted on their foreign debt and and spent in deficit to the point where they literally ran out of money, and instead of paying up invaded Poland?

>>132645339
If that's all it takes to define fascism then most of the world's governments at the time were fascist. I'd say Spain and Portugal were too economically liberal to fit the bill.

>>132645882
YES DUR LEADER OF DA BLANET EARTH WERE I CAN EAT BURGER AND ISRAEL IS GREADEST ALLY

CLAB CLAB CLAB

>>132645806
Yeah, what chinks have currently. To give you some credit, this system has improved their country a lot.
>>132645975
You forgot that degenerates wouldn't have any way to survive without a free healthcare system you faggot.

>>132646047
Keep in mind the chinese have a different ideology and are also bending over backwards for banks and consumerism.

>>132646047
>You forgot that degenerates wouldn't have any way to survive without a free healthcare system you faggot.

Topkek, not all gays are low IQ and high time preference, and as long as you have women you will have pro gay charities.

>Muh malthusian catastrophe

Ancap plz

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>>132645978
>I'd say Spain and Portugal were too economically liberal to fit the bill.
It doesn't matter whether they were economically liberal or authoritarian, it matters if they were corporatist, which they were.

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>>132646005
>26 posts by this ID

holy SHIT. i don't even need to sift through your impotent rage fueled sperg spree to know that you're a MASSIVELY whiny little bitch. fuck off back to your safe space, idiot. men are talking.

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>>132646297
So the United States is fascist too? News to me.

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>>132646494
United States isn't corporatist.

>>132646345
Wow nu/pol/ really can't handle active discussion or even bother to scroll up.

If you want an actual response to your debate, America has only gotten to the top because its been the goodest of the goys, and currently has the very comfy position as the enforcer of jewish globalist rule. If you want examples just look at every war we've been in in the past 30 years.

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>>132645587
>We were the Romans, we promise!

It just sounds like you're bending over backwards to associate fascism with other, more successful societies in a vain effort to legitimize a shitty system that only led to death, destruction, oppression and failure. Why the fuck would we suddenly come around to your way of thinking?

>>132645882
Hear hear.

>>132645978
And maneged to invade all of europe.
If a country is more broke then others you should not be able to do that.

>>132646288
Not all gays are degenarate, there's a reason why POGROM's didn't always exist, but we do need one now.

I'm speaking about drug users mostly.

>>132638149
>they are not allowed to do as they please
>like undermining state authority

So, what if the state decides to have a sudden change of priorities and turn against its people, under the guise of serving the interest of the nation?

>>132646760
All gays are degenerate because they're gay and have sex in the ass you fucking dumby. They're the definition of degeneracy. Hedonistic behavior for the pure sake of enjoyment without regard for the impacts.

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>>132636623

>>132636345
The corporations il duce spoke of were not multinationals based abroad.

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>>132646718
>It just sounds like you're bending over backwards to associate fascism with other, more successful societies
Because the only major difference between fascism and ancient empires like the Romans is that they didn't have corporatism, which their economies arguably weren't even advanced enough for.

>>132646546
https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21711500-tradition-politicians-intervening-business-corporatisms-long-history-america

>Stung by an announcement of steel-price increases, John Kennedy sermonised rather than nationalised. He blamed “a tiny handful of steel executives whose pursuit of private power and profit exceeds their sense of public responsibility…[and]…shows such utter contempt for the interests of 185m Americans”.

>The arrangements between government and business have become more complex in recent years, as broader policy replaced specific interventions. Bill Clinton, for instance, was adept at using arcane incentives, often in the form of obscure tax benefits, or threats, such as restrictions on operations or acquisitions.

>. The Obama administration lost $535m in public guarantees for Solyndra, a manufacturer of solar panels that filed for bankruptcy in 2011. Johnson’s subsidy for pickup trucks provides an explanation for why America’s big carmakers were so uncompetitive that they came close to perishing in the financial crisis, surviving only after a bail-out by Mr Obama.

Sure seems like it is.

>>132646745
Any country can invade its neighbors but only an economically sound one can win. This may be news to you but the Third Reich really didn't.

>>132646946
Gays will always exist, there's no way to fix that.
There's normal high IQ people who don't go on the streets naked screaming LGBTQ RIGHT NOW! They are normal citiziens but they're fucked in the head.
No one's stopping you from living under a private society who P H Y S I C A L L Y R E M O V E S gays under an-capistan.

>>132647218
See: >>132639386 >>132646991

>>132636345
Instead of trying to figure out which of the old ideologies is best we could try to start a new one?

>>132647328
You can fix it by shooting them.

>>132647385
and the government will do it for you!

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https://youtu.be/z2lNTdAiyWw
an-caps cant be argued with because they keep crying about percieved "freedom"
>>132647218
you still dont get it, try again

>>132647385
Then new ones are born you fucking idiot.
How is killing people moral? You come here speaking of morality, you better fucking tell me how is that moral.

>>132646760
>I'm speaking about drug users mostly
>If we just take away the welfare they will all just die

No they will become a massive criminal class because chemical addiction is so strong that they would rather turn to violent crime than miss their next fix. You're going to have to kill them or find a mass rehabilitation program desu, removing welfare will not improve the situation only escalate the intensity felt by the non addicted populace.

>>132647500
Its a moral compromise, the ends justify the means. Its like abortion is bad, but is aborting a nigger bad?

>>132647509
The problem AT FIRST would be huge.
If they're criminals then just fucking shoot them, who cares.

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>>132647218
>Sure seems like it is.
That's not what corporatism is dumbass. Corporatism is basically when you have the nations businesses organized into "corporations" (not the type you're thinking of) which are basically like unions for businesses. So all the automobile businesses have their own "corporation", the farmers have their own "corporation", and these "corporations" act as a sort of union for the business owners which they use to work with the government to ensure both of their needs are met and reasonable laws are passed. It's similar to National Syndicalism in many ways.

>>132647619
You're a cuck if you believe in political and moral compromises.

>>132636345
Capitalism with social safety nets >>>> Socialism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism/Fascism

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Fascism is AIDS
Especially when you don't have a benevolent dictator.

When you have plutocracy, nepotism, regulatory capture and corruption.

riggedit.com/responsibility/

>>132647364
All of these ideologies are just source material for a new political movement's ethos. That said there is a finite amount of ideas that can be applied today, Sven.

>>132647695
Like shooting a drug dealer is a moral compromise because you're killing someone but at the same time removing something harmful, the same is said about fags. Theres nothing cucked about it, the cucked thing is keeping fags around because killing people is bad mkay.

>>132647630
>who cares.

Women , children, your political enemies, other governments that might choose to intervene, etc. From a machiavellian standpoint, it's a shit strategy.

>>132647775
>Capitalism with social safety nets
this is what corporatist fascism is

We need to stop cnn

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>>132647965
>this is what corporatist fascism is

Not even close

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>>132647965
No. See >>132647676. If you want to see the difference between corporatism and capitalism see Sweden pre-1970's (democratic version of corporatism known as "folkhemmet") versus post-1970's (capitalism with safety nets).

>>132647342
>>132647676
>cor·po·rat·ism
>ˈkôrp(ə)rəˌtizəm
>noun
>The control of a state or organization by large interest groups.

So if we're going to use this SJW-tier redefinition of the word "corporatism" to mean what you say, it still begs the question of how Spain and Portugal fit it. I'm not so clear on that, please enlighten me.

>>132643528
>1st world quality of life in Chile.
Clearly you've never been there.

>>132648467
Spain was literally fascist and identified as such, they just strayed away from it as time went on because of autism government. Portugal wasn't though. I don't know why that guy is using the term corporatism either, its blatantly incorrect in this context.

>>132648842
>Spain was literally fascist and identified as such
Did they really? I took a class on the Spanish civil war a while back and I heard Franco tried to distance himself from fascism. I may be wrong but I don't know of any examples of Franco calling himself or his government "fascist".

>>132648467
>redefinition
its clearly a much older definition
>>132648842
because it is what mussolini and gentile were talking about dunce

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>>132648467
>not using the fascist definition of the corporatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism

For fuck's sakes man, do some actual reading. I'm not gonna argue for something that fascism isn't.

And yes, Portugal and Spain were corporatist.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_(Portugal)#Economy
>"The Estado Novo regime economic policy encouraged and created conditions for the formation of large and successful business conglomerates. Economically, the Estado Novo regime maintained a policy of corporatism that resulted in the placement of a big part of the Portuguese economy in the hands of a number of strong conglomerates"

>>132649246
Fascism isn't just corporatism.

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>>132648467
You are right about Spain though, Spain wasn't fascist, I can't find anything about them adopting corporatist economics so they were merely an authoritarian dictatorship.

Fascism is great but i prefer personnally national ethnic socialism.

>>132649246
Uhh... you might want to read the rest of that first article, my man.

>The corporatist state Salazar established in Portugal was not associated with Mussolini—quite the opposite; he banished the fascist party in Portugal and distanced himself from all of Europe's fascist regimes.

>In 1933, Salazar stated, "Our Dictatorship clearly resembles a fascist dictatorship in the reinforcement of authority, in the war declared against certain principles of democracy, in its accentuated nationalist character, in its preoccupation of social order. However, it differs from it in its process of renovation. The fascist dictatorship tends towards a pagan Caesarism, towards a state that knows no limits of a legal or moral order, which marches towards its goal without meeting complications or obstacles. The Portuguese New State, on the contrary, cannot avoid, not think of avoiding, certain limits of a moral order which it may consider indispensable to maintain in its favour of its reforming action".

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>>132649410
That's true, but Portugal was also fairly nationalist and authoritarian, the main thing distinguishing them from fascism was their lack of populism and support for a fascist party, which more or less ensured that after Salazar's death his system would die with him.

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>>132649692
That's true, as I mentioned here >>132649796, he didn't really support the fascist party or fascism itself, despite using fascist economics and being authoritarian and nationalist.

>>132649551
They were fascist up until Rivera got whacked, it all went down afterwards.

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>>132649410
nobody implied that, its many other things next to corporatist

also every country has their own interpretation of fascism, such a legionarry and rexist fascism that focus on religion. Or german with race

>>132650177
Well >>132649796 is knocking it down to specific definitions, not just le overarching worldview.

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>>132636623
I am actually going to side with the ancap for once
Your list is shit and capitalism is the only worthy thing on it

>>132636345
Nat Soc only nationalized monopolies. It was still based on a free market

>>132650374
But i can see the confusion with spain.

>>132643042
You're an idiot
Fascism is anti-freedom
capitalism is the very definition of freedom
Socialism is just the means to arrive at communism
Hang yourself pinko

>>132647218
Stoped by the rest of the world.

>>132636345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6826MsrFLU

>>132636497
FPBP

>>132636345
FACISM= Huge bureaucratic government = failure

Government is meant to protect the nation firstly. and give services to it's citizens to better the community second.

>>132650177
>Or german with race
NSDAP was not fascist, in fact the killed fascists in the streets
Hitler's leadership was a necessity to fix the nation

>>132650549
Socialism is a means to arrive to communism when its marxist socialism which is just watered down communism, its not similar to national socialism at all.

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You're not actually redpilled until you realize it's crystal clear that the order is Communism > Socialism > Capitalism=Fascism

Not many p00skins in Poland, Estonia, and so on. France, Germoney, the UK, Sweden and all those capitalist/fascist states are full of muslims and other scum. The reason is simple, the top capitalists always influence government to allow open borders so they can hire people for a lower wage. they don't give a shit where the immigration comes from, whether it's from the deepest niggerest africa or some muslim land.

Of course now that P00land and Estonia and so on have become capitalist as well they are also niggerifying. Communism/Socialism requires no immigration whatsoever since it's essentially a stable and sustainable economic system that doesn't need to grow forever unlike capitalism.

>>132636345
Too simplistic.

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>>132650374
>le overarching world view
ofcourse Italian fascism is fascism in its purest form. The rest becomes debatable then. Is the syndicalist falange fascist? Is the more socialist oriented BUF really fascist? In my opinion they are, just because fascism is based on history and culture, which are unique
>>132650376
>pigoychet

>>132650927
I'm not arguing against overarching worldview, thats what fascism is. Thats why every nation has had their own version. Mussolini's worked for the multi ethnic itality, national socialism worked for the germans people, etc.

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>>132650792
you cannot expect a uniform adaption of fascism in wildly different countries

>>132636345
Fascism > Socialism > Communism > Capitalism

>>132636345
Fascism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. Capitalism doesn't mean Laissez-faire.

>>132636345
Fascists actually prefer communism to capitalism.

Goebbels and Mussolini were marxists before going fashy.

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>>132650177
Nations are different so the nationalism and policies that a fascist nation adopts may be different, but in general for a nation to be considered fascist it must be authoritarian (although not necessarily undemocratic), nationalistic (not necessarily of the ethnic kind), and corporatist (which is defined here >>132647676).

>>132652985
Actually they were socialists, Mussolini was especially disliked by the contemporary italian socialists of the time for being too elitist. Fascism is meant to be a middle path through capitalism and Marxism, so you have both worlds desu

>>132653316
>Actually they were socialists,

*Controversial socialists

Communists, international socialists, national socialists, fascists, and corporatists need to stay the fuck away from me and my property.

The state should be abolished. Protect your individual rights to life, liberty and justly acquired property from aggression and tyranny.

OP, fascism = socialism = communism = democratic socialism = antifa = whatever flowery term they change it to to lure in feeble minded morons.

Instead of looking at the names, look into what the core value of each political system entails.

>>132642000
Fascism is the one and only true heir to monarchism.

>>132636623
Having a job is for cucks, ancaps will take away my NEETbuxs

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>>132653797
>>132653921
retarded amerishartlets shitting up the thread

The libertarians are too stupid to know we already live in a socialist state, but for the (((elite))))

We should do like Stalin

Not Ayn Fuckin Jew Rand

The problem with facisism is the transition of power. You could have mosley, but he won't live forever. After that a trudeau could come to power and fuck it all up

>>132637115
That would just be Nationalist Libertarianism.

>>132656157
That's a problem with monarchism, but not fascism. Fascism/NatSoc is a meritocracy where only the the most ideal man is chosen to lead the country, and if he fucks up too much he would be replaced.

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>>132656157
That's why you have a military, armed population, and party loyal to the fascist ideology to perform a coup against any Trudeau's that might come to power.

>>132636345
You mean Crony Capitalism?

>>132640700
Yes it is retard. If you have a policy that says that a customer can't be disorderly in your business in order to shop there, then they must follow that policy if they want to use your services. Nobody's forcing them to shop there, after all.

>>132636345
This is a glib liberal meme. Fascism also has to involve militarization of the society, one-party rule, suspension of democratic procedures and state manipulation of the corporate economy. These are the basic tenets of a fascist system.

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>>132646549
>leave to go do other things because i have a life
>return to check this thread before i go do other RL stuff
>respond to his superior barely 1 minute AFTER i said something
>40 posts by this ID
>mfw nearly 1/6 of this thread is just ONE little whiny bitch having an existential crisis on 4chan

the best part is that i didn't even read your little bitch fit, retard. i just KNOW that you're an angry little shit with a hilariously small penis.

here's your reply, squirt. enjoy having got TWO whole replies from your superior, boy.

>>132636731
Liberalism > Authoritarianism (Fascism)
Capitalism > Communism (Socialism)
The two are on different axis faggots

>>132637532
>we're not those "overthrow the goverment violently and everything will be fine" type of fags.
spotted the newfag

>>132659843
Of course, I'm not stupid. I was using OP's model.

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National-Syndicalism>Fascism>Capitalism>Socialism>Communism

>>132636345
Capitalism literally builds the world and some people still shit on it. Fucking neck yourselves.

>>132661148
>The Jewish world
Fixed that for ya