http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england- london-40503842 >be

literally killing white babies. the absolute state of my cuntry

i thought death panels were a meme

>>132559258
>>132559018
>>132558384
That kid is fucked. Nothing on earth can cure it.

>>132559674
then what is the harm in trying, the worst that happens is doctors gain knowledge that could lead to better medical practices

It's like.. if you have 100 potatoes and 1 is mouldy as hell you'd bin it right? Same thing as this, no point keeping on to it

>>132559817
It's a waste of fucking money.

>>132560145
It's not the state's money if they take it to the US for treatment you monkey.

>>132560295
But then who gonna pay for it? 'cus if they can't fund shit then will the state?

>>132560295
There has to be certain rules on preventing stupidity. Kid is fucked and it's going to die regardless of where it's flown.

>>132558384
>parents ask for permission to take their son to another country for continuing care

There would be no problem with this if they didn't expect everybody else to pay for it. If they just put up the money themselves there would be no problem.

>>132559817

>then what is the harm in trying,

Hundreds of thousands of dollars on something hopeless that could be spent on helping someone with a shot at living. It's straight selfish, resources are scarce.

>>132558384
Is he being kept alive by a feeding tube or a ventilator?

>>132559817
Inflicting unneeded suffering on a baby?

>>132560512
>There has to be certain rules on preventing stupidity.
lets start with sterilizing 99.99% of niggers

>>132560512
If there was, there wouldn't be an immigration crisis :3

>>132560512
That's not the state's prerogative. It's the family and their money to spend. They should have the freedom to do so.

>>132559954
No, it's like someone deciding your son doesn't deserve a chance to live and killing him.

>>132560145
Parents have money

>>132560832
By electricity that could be better used elsewhere. On the plus side you never read of nigger kids in these situations so the hope is that it's swept under the carpet when it does occur.

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>>132558384
Next they'll decide unless you name him Muhammad you will not be able to take him home.

>>132560726
>Hundreds of thousands of dollars on something hopeless
>resources are scarce
Wow excellent argument, except when we're spending billions on leeches on social programs, aid to useless countries who don['t give back to us, funding projects that are horrible investments and just gimp us (e.g. solar energy), forcing institutes to remodel their facilities over some special snowflakes wanting to use all their bathrooms, and numerous amounts of terrible spending.

>>132561302
>the American typed before throwing another empty bud can in the air and shooting it.
How did you enjoy 8 years of nigger rule my little sausage?

>>132558384
Yet they give thousands to fat fucks?

I would have gone in guns fucking blazing and taken the kid out

>>132561555
>the American typed before throwing another empty bud can in the air and shooting it.
That sounds more of a compliment than an insult.

>>132561701
>he posted from his wooden house

This specific situation may be the only time I'd ever commit non-defensive violence. If I was in the exact situation, even knowing the kid would die, I might go shoot up the hospital or something, just on principle of the state kidnapping my kid and then euthanizing it. Purely on principle I might be driven to violence.

The state has an obligation to keep children from suffering, yeah, but this kid is a vegetable, he isn't suffering. If the kid was constantly suffering, sure, they should euthanize him against the parent's wishes. But knowing that he isn't suffering at all, he's a vegetable, even with no hope of recovery, how can the courts in the UK justify this? No one is actually making the argument that this kid is suffering, from what I've heard, so what the fuck?

>>132560145
Brush your fucking teeth Nigel

>>132561555
Yeah, thank you for the compliment.

I did not enjoy it. Not many did, hence we we have Trump. You guys are exiting the EU but how have you liked the last decades of ultra liberals, multiculturalism, and getting whipped and controlled by the EU?

>>132558384
It says it's dangerous for the baby just to move him for health reasons, not because the healthcare is socialized, retard
>"This child has been dealt with at a hospital which has huge expertise in mitochondrial disease and is being offered a break in a hospital that has never published anything on this disease, as far as I'm aware."
The parents are just being stupid and selfish

>>132560295
Even though more treatment would probably at best prolong the current amount of suffering and at worst worsen the severity of the suffering, since the child has no way of consenting (legally or even physically since he can't even cry) it should be up to the parents. They were probably denied transfer home, because there was a good chance he would die during transport, but it would have been better to let the parent's try to take him home and have him die that way rather than taking away their autonomy and adding to their misery.

At the same time I'm annoyed by all the conservatives that want to dump money into one child that has an incurable disease but then bitch and moan about the cost of healthcare and investing money in preventative medicine.

>bongs are actually claiming it's better to kill a kid than try learning more about his disease through trial
This thread is going better than OP hoped.

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>>132561906
>it's dangerous to move the baby
>lol lets just kill him then

That is actually the dumbest post I have read in about 9 years of posting on 4chan. Nonsensical gibberish is more intelligent than what you just posted. Please remove yourself from the genepool of all of civilization.

>>132561792

At least we own our homes.

>>132560400
They got 1 mil in donations.

>>132561873
I've fucked 2 American women which is 3 more than you.

>>132558384
>>132559258
>>132560145
>>132560295
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>>132562103
>>132562256

You are all morons.

The government's argument has nothing to do with money. It's that the baby's every living moment is pure suffering and the family is trying to extend that suffering by any means possible because they can't accept loss.

He's literally missing massive portions of his DNA, and has massive brain damage because of his condition; but his parents want to fly him all over the world while he suffers to try one in a million cures and then take him home to die where he can't get any painkillers. They are off the deep end christfags who would rather make other people suffer so their feelings don't get hurt.

>>132562177
The government wants him to die peacefully in a hospital instead of shaken to death in a car.

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>>132562336
is immense pain better then never existing?

how is his suffering any different then ours?

>>132562336
You are the moron.
Arent you americans all for small government? What the fuck happened to you.

How about giving parents responsibility for their child? Hm?
They can decide and live with their decicion what they think is best for their child.

I certaintly dont want that the government can decide when to pull the plug on my daughter if anything happens to her.

>>132559018
guarantee you if the babies name was mohammed bin mahmood the syrian refugee, he would be getting all his congenital defects taken care of no sweat

>>132562336

That's not the point you retard. The point is that when the state controls all medical care, it effectively controls who lives and dies

Kid was fucked regardless, British hospitals are third world tier

>>132561850
>this kid is a vegetable, he isn't suffering

Okay buddy lets put you in an ICU bed with a tube down your throat, through your penis, and up your ass while having nurses and doctors touching and checking vitals on your round the clock. Even if you were truly a "vegetable" and had zero sensation of this, as opposed to just being able to express that you can senses things, would still really want people poking and prodding you?

It's a shame the parents can't make their own decision, but by holding out for further treatment they are prolonging suffering; no pain, no gain.

>>132562336
/thread

>>132558384
Imagine the outrage if the kid was muslim or black.

>>132562336
see
>>132562705

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>>132562515
Yeah, because that has worked out well.

>>132560145
It's a human being you fucking subhuman

>>132559018
and that's a bad thing ?

>medical care in your country is socialized, which means the government gets to decide how the child gets treatment

Nice try

The government steps in to prevent the child from suffering at the hands of the desperate parents

it is the government's responsibility to protect it's people from harm and they're doing it

>>132561792
> he posted from his wooden house
> his wooden house
> his

Thanks again, biscuit.

>>132562789
Not for long

>>132562336
Not the states decesion fucker.

Also who the hell thinks suffering is worth then death?

>>132562777
So? Again they got 1 mil $.

If the tax payer doesnt need to pay for that whats the problem.
I wouldnt care for retarded children if the tax payer doesnt need to pay any money. Whats your point.

Again, thats their decicion then.
Stop infantilizing parents and adults.Thats why the younger generation has zero responsibility.

>>132562177
Then you might have brain retardation because you can't even comprehend what i said, they're avoiding the dangerous by not letting the stupid parents in desperation tranport him to the fucking Vatican, the kid has literally paper bones, and the medical aren't taken the risk to kill him, it's not an economic problem, it's a humanitarian principle that every medic learn. Regardless of how bad/good could British hospital could be, even my country has public hospitals that can take care of this type of cases. OP choose a retarded example of socialized healthcare, maybe he should back to shill that fat guy and post >PAY MY HEALTHCARE!!!!!!

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>>132562705
>admit he can't suffer but say he's suffering in the same sentence despite all the medical evidence in the entire scientific community saying you're wrong
>he's completely unaware of all outside stimuli but the fact that they are prodding him with stuff offends me, so they should just kill him lol fuck it

ok satan

>>132563021
Keked

MDS is autosomal recessive, both parents should be sterilized

>>132562932
Oh you're one of the broken fat women who post on here. I guess you add novelty if nothing else.

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>>132563069
>his bones are breaking but he's a complete vegetable and literally cannot feel pain but for some reason I keep insisting that it is in fact more humane to let someone die because they might break some bones if you try to move them

>>132562336
That's how the boundaries of what is and isn't possible within medical science are pushed forward.

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>>132562336
So it's like a puppy. Sure, there's a longshot it may be cured, but it's quicker and easier to put it to sleep and ease its suffering, which is so very, very hard to watch.

What do I care for the baby's suffering? Pain, even agony, are merely information before the senses. Life is precious because you only ever get one shot at it and something is always more than nothing.

We are human beings. We love, at a very fundamental level, the one in a million shot. It's why swords were ubiquitous until guns, even though they are not great weapons. It's why we play the lottery. It's why we chase stupid dreams that anyone sensible would see as a waste of time.

The future does not exist in any material sense. I think that's why it's so important to let everyone have a chance at it.

>>132563050
>>132563059
Well, I'm just gonna pay to have my child's penis removed surgically with a rusty knife. After all, it's my choice right? It's not the state's job to decide what is suffering. As long as I pay for it, it's my choice right?

And if they get an infection, I'm just going to insist that they not get treatment except for rubbing organic vegetable oil on the infection, because it's my choice what treatment they get.

And then when they are in absolute agony and begging to die, I'm just going to take them home and strap them in a bed, because it's my choice to let them die at home right?

>>132563181
If it suggests anything the parents aren't even married. They probably have other partners right now.

>>132562845

>state has obligation to protect the child by euthanizing it

You're involved in a moral quandary that your low IQ brain can't even begin to comprehend

>>132558384

>socialized which means the government decides

I wonder if you even know your government sets rules for treatments too? You can't do what you want.

Your healthcare is also socialized because you pay for every illegal mexicans ER visit in your 50 000 dollar bandaids. You're just so fucking dumb you don't realize you end up paying it and insane lawyer and insurance gouges to boot.

>>132562336
I'm sure you're larping. If not, you're a fucking idiot. Faggots like you hold government on a pedestal of goodness and chivalry. This has nothing to do with making sure this baby doesn't suffer. It's promoting obedience. It's setting a precedent so that any other parents in similar situations will fall in line, pull the plug, and get on with replacing this failed future tax payer with another child. Wake the fuck up, holy shit.

>>132558384
>medical care in your country is socialized, which means the government gets to decide how the child gets treatment
Not all medical care. You have an option to use the free public care or pay for private health care. You don't think there are private health care companies in UK? How retar-

Oh nwm. Americunt flag.

>>132563340
This, basically.

>>132563095
I lack of reading comprehension of this board never ceases to amaze me. I didn't say they should do anything except let the parent's decide. They have money so they should prolong the child's life. I'm saying that it's foolish to deny that it's suffering. Would you want to be in the same position?

>>132562707

>one European socialist upboats another

Shocking

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>>132563340
>Well, I'm just gonna pay to have my child's penis removed surgically with a rusty knife.

Hello strawman, my old friend.

>>132560726
I'd agree with you, but your paying millions of euros to house and feed people who are actively researching ways to kill you.

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>>132558384
Why are you guys trying to keep a child alive with a horrible disease?

>>132558384
>baby that literally can't survive without life support that could be used for other people/children in need
>people bitch when we want to turn it off.

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>>132559674
That's a good boy! youve internalized the orders of your masters so well

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>>132563520
>being in the state of unconsciousness
>suffering
>I lack reading comprehension

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>>132560145
>It's a waste of fucking money.
gives trillions of dollars to mudslime rapefugees.
wew lad

>>132563340
Massive false equivalence.

Stop trying.

>>132560145
>come on, don't go wasting your money trying to save your child's life, the refugees need more benefits
God damn, there are no words available to express how sick you limey cunts are, Like literal genetic poison, you i king horrid abomination, the humanity has been bred out of your people if it ever was there

>>132558384
they need the money to treat all the jihadists and niggers they import

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>>132560930
This

>>132563632
Yeah you'd have a point if the money was going to someone who deserved it, but since it will be going to some fuck named Abdul before they head to Germany for more free shit, you've got no argument mate

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>>132561555
nice trips but atleast we can shoot and throw knives at bud cans in the air. tell me again how you use a spoon to spread jam on your toast every morning?

>>132559817
He's going to die anyway so lets see if torture will fix it.

>>132558384
the worst part is the wasted opportunity to give the child experimental treatment and contribute to scientific advancement

>>132564413
Nice false equivalency there, it fits your flag perfectly

>>132563261
If the medic gives them the permission to move the vegetal, and he dies, it's the medic's fault and a negligence, that's exactly the reason, and it doesn't matter if the kid is in the public or private hospital. It should be eutanhized ? Yes, but that's not a healthcare problem, it's a constitution problem.
>inb4 but what if he doesn't die ¿¿'?
It's not worth the risk because the parents are no more fully responsible for the kid's future, and it will be taken as a negligence. Read about ethic principles of medicine and you will understand what i'm talking about

>>132562789
Says the Americuck that has to pay for healthcare

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>>132564413
only if the kid is gay

>>132563069
Speak proper English imbecile. You're making us all look bad

>>132560145

> waste of money

Money isn't a problem, it's lazy faggots like you who want to have a party every day on tax payers dimes.

>>132564623
Says the European who has someone with an actual job pay for heir healthcare via taxes then looks down on americAns for not letting people get taken advantage of en masse

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>>132564617
Yeah your posts are complete nonsense, broken english shit. Don't even understand your argument to begin with.

>it's the medic's fault if the baby dies
>so let's just kill it so that we're not at fault that it died
>dude that's just ethics lol I don't have to clearly explain why or anything just accept it bro

You're fucking retarded, lmao

>>132563340
>And then when they are in absolute agony and begging to die, I'm just going to take them home and strap them in a bed, because it's my choice to let them die at home right?
Isnt the boy now pretty much strapped in bed and letting him die? Even worse because he is not at home.
The parents want to bet on a 1% chance from a doctor who tries something new. I still dont see how thats a bad thing.

> It's not the state's job to decide what is suffering. As long as I pay for it, it's my choice right?
Thats not what I said and you are twisting my words. You need to find a good middleground.

But to be totally honest I would prefer your statement above to a goverment being able to end my childs life at will.

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>>132562789
>It's a human being you fucking subhuman

If you actually care about this child, you'll let it die and end it's suffering. It cannot see, hear, or move.The fucking child is only aware that it exists because of the pain it feels. Let it die. Show some fucking mercy.

>>132559674
So? Why not let the parents try anyway. Typical of left wing fucking absolute scum to want to tell people what they can and can't do with their fucking money

>>132558384
>keeping a vegetable alive to the tune of thousands of pounds per hour
no

>>132565169
Send it to america then like the parents want.
They have 1 mil in donation, let them do it.
Costs less money, child has a minimal chance of surviving. Whats the problem.

>>132560145
ITS THE PARENTS MONEY YOU FUCK

IF ITS "A WASTE OF MONEY" SO WHAT ITS THE PARENTS RIGHT TO SPEND THAT MINEY HIW EVER THE GODDAMN FUCK THEY WANT

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>>132564984
why is it always chinese

>>132565110
I really don't understand. I'm pretty liberal (like really liberal), but I'm also very pro-"science. I don't see the harm in trying something out there if nothing else works. It's not like it's some homeopathic retard shit, it's a late stage clinical trial. It's got good science behind it. Fuck

>>132565294
>>132565110
I have to say its pretty terrifying seeing a leaf being more against government intervention than burgers.
Whats up with the americans in this threat.
I really had the impression that you value freedom above all else. Really weird.

>>132565280
>Implying we want that vegetable in our country
No thanks, would rather not.

>>132562813
I never hated the Jews till I met them in person. What a revolting people.

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>>132565169
>I should be allowed to tell private individuals to not spend their own money to transport their dying kid anywhere they please because I would rather spend the money that I never had any claim to in the first place, on video games and dakimakura pillows

>>132565280
The remaining weeks, months, or if they're (the parents, not the child) lucky, years, of the childs life will see it be a literal fucking guinea pig for medicines, while it's every conceivable second is a living fucking nightmare, with wires keeping what's left of its brain from shutting down on its self.

This isn't death panels. This isn't a case of "its your money, do what you want" even if you believe it should be.

>>132562336
Yeah the government AKA THE MAIN INSTRUMENT OF FUCKING SUFFERING IN OUR COUNTRIES definitely cares about people suffering. Yeah right. All you bootlicking government fucks DESERVE suffering though

>>132565280
>1 mil in donation
not nearly enough
>Costs less money
you have no idea how much shit like this costs here
>child has a minimal chance of surviving
it has ZERO chance of surviving thats the point

>>132565603
You could throw a billion towards curing this kid, and he'd still live in fucking agony every second of his life, or just die on his 10th birthday and shit everything up for his delusional parents.

>>132565504
>Insurance companies don't make decisions like this every day affecting millions of people all over the world at the end of their lives

>>132565475
>(((freedom)))
Your problem is you're talking to too many libertarian redditors.
Admittedly there's more of them on /pol/ than I'd like.

>>132565697
>You could throw a billion towards curing this kid
there is no cure, never will be a cure
it affects something like 2/1,000,000,000 people
nobody is going to spend money to cure a dozen people

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>>132565702
>2 wrongs make a right
>bringing up completely random shit about insurance companies that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand
>complete non-sequitur post

>>132561555
refugee go back to your country

>>132565576
>hahahah civilization exists because everyone voluntarily agrees to get along and live in harmony XD world peace when???
Hang yourself from a doorknob.

>>132565875
spend millions of dollars keeping a braindead baby alive for another month vs. spend money on people who can get healthy
seems pretty straightforward to me
>non-sequitur
you don't even know what that means

>>132565839
Well, that then. The whole case is ridiculous and has been blown way out of proportion by these cancerous fucking Libertarians and le """conservatives""" who want to make a point against socialized medicine. There's a million and one arguments to be made about why socialized medicine DOES suck, putting a kid who's life is literally a machine and some wires out of his misery and not allowing him to become a guinea pig drug tester in burgerland is benevolent.

OP didn't mention the fact that the parents have raised the money to treat their child in the United States thanks to private donations from the public. the state will not allow the child to make the trip

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>>132566004
>I should be allowed to tell the parents of a dying child that they should not be allowed to spend their own money however they please

Explain why you think you have that authority? You do understand they have raised the money to care for this child completely on their own, that paying the nurse to unplug the machines hooked up to the kid costs the taxpayer more money than letting the parents walk out of the building with him (free)?

>>132566058
>the parents have raised the money to treat their child in the United States
there is no treatment
and they have no where near enough money

>>132566217
>their own money
this is where you're wrong
also its not nearly enough, trust me Maplebro

>>132566058
Because, as mentioned hundreds of times, it isn't as a case of "just do what you want with your money" - have you read into his illness or what awaits him in the great USA? Life as a drug testing guinea pig, that's what. There is no cure, as also pointed out many times, never will be, its an extremely rare genetic illness which sees his every breathing moment defined by the power of modern medicine which keeps his brain from shutting down through a machine. He's being kept alive by religious parents who are delusional as fuck. They clearly have no skill for future planning since the odds of this kid EVER getting better is 0%. And top it off with the fact he'd probably be dead in a few months "naturally" anyway.

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>>132566242
>they don't have enough money
>now we are simply making up outright lies to win the argument

>>132566217
This is fucking why >>132566322
There's laws against making non-consenting humans into drug testing guinea pigs.

>>132566383
>a million dollars is enough to keep a braindead baby alive in ICU for the rest of his short life in a major metropolitan research hospital
no
also if you're done you can leave anytime

>>132560145
Throw a few rag heads in the ocean, boom you've got your money from all the welfare you don't have to pay now.

>>132566614
Wow. Nice fucking wit. Meanwhile, this kid basically is a literal fucking rag.

>>132565456
If liberals were truly "liberal" (you know a word derived from the word Liberty) They'd be OK with allowing the parents to spend their own money as they please

It's disgusting though our tax money going to drug addicts and cutting men's dicks off and keeping murderers and pedophiles alive with 3 meals a day libtards rambling on about we need to help everyone help the trees help the earth help trannies help da poor Muslim refugees but help people who lost jobs and therefore their income they want to have their globalist donors ship off to be done by slaves? Help people with cancer or rare diseases? Nah fuck them they can just die

>>132566402
>there are laws about non-consenting humans into drug testing guinea pigs
>but he can totally consent to have the UK hospital remove the feeding tube

Oh, sweetie

>>132566525
>now i'll shift the goalposts and talk about extending the babies life
>when the argument is about whether the parents should be allowed to leave the building with the baby at all

Doesn't make a difference to me, why do you say they shouldn't be allowed to bring him home and let him die at home?

>>132566322
You also forgot to mention that the kid is deaf, blind, incapable of eating, and lacks any ability to move a single muscle, let alone twitch. All of these disabilities are guaranteed to be permanent, no matter what miracles may occur.
Whatever his lifespan may be, he'll be an inanimate object kept alive my machines hooked up to his brain, and tubes forcing nutrients into his belly.
Sounds like a living hell.

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>>132563907
>someone is unconscious, therefore whatever we do to them won't cause them suffering

How's life on the outside, Brock?

>>132566758
bro you mad
go eat some fucking ketchup chips or something

>>132559674
Death is not an improvement to a life full of suffering. This is a false premise. I refuse to accept your implications.

>>132566758
You don't get to use the ancient concept of "liberty" in reference to a kid with no conscience being taken off modern life support to, again, avoid being a guinea pig in the USA for the remainder of his life.

That's not what liberty is. That's not in the writings of Cicero. It isn't in the English Bill of Rights. You don't see it come up in the Constitution.

>>132566861
He couldn't have consented to being there in the first place. He's basically nothing.

>>132566861
>euthanasia is the same as experimentation
Why are you retarded?

>>132561555
I don't know, how do you like only having two teeth in your head that haven't rotted out.

>>132566861
>extending the babies life
there is no extending this baby's life
this baby is dead already

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>>132566322

The parents have released the matter to God and relinquished all worrying and anxiety over it. I believe in medical miracles. I know that doctors and tests can say one thing but it turns out another. All in all, God is in control. Whether the tests are inaccurate or whether they are in fact accurate, I am trusting in Christ Jesus.

It must be up to the parents as to whether they let God decide over their child, obviously they are being guided by Chist Jesus to get the treatment in the USA and the UK government are wicked for refusing that.

>>132566948
What's the point of suicide?

>>132566924
Lel and people still defend keeping it alive. If nature isn't keeping something alive, then it's a pretty sure fucking sign it's time for that thing to go. But when all the money in the world can't keep this kid alive or give him any conceivable sort of life, it's doubly time he fucked off.

>>132566924
Libtard argument. Won't even allow the minutia of dignity for the child to die at home.

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>>132567013
God's will was for the UK government to end this child's suffering.
If you disagree, you are a blasphemer who denies that God is in control

>>132566954
>a child is essentially nothing
you're what's wrong with the world. i don't like parents keeping kids alive in pain or brain dead as much as the next person but who are you or a country to decide that? the spartans killed thousands of their own kids to weed out weakness and where are they now? what if you get all retarded and they decide to kill you instead of throw money at you? you're one dumb nigger.

>>132567051
Suicide is the action one undertakes when this seems like some kind of solution to their problem or they are insane. In both cases, your argument doesn't end up with supporting evidence, but rather circular claims. I don't accept your premise.

>>132562789
you dont seem to care about refugee children

>>132567320
>who are you to
Why are you faggots so convinced this is an argument when it's not?

>>132567320
A child who with no conscience, who's being kept alive by a machine, basically IS a machine and might as well be nothing. Deny reality & make emotional appeals all you want. That child essentially is nothing. He lacks all the qualities of an actual human, hence why his parents are going to spent 1 million on feeding him drugs.

>>132567320
a dead child is worse than nothing, it exists and makes us face our own mortality

>>132565714
What's wrong with someone wanting to spend their own money?

And no I'm not a libertarian or anarchist but the governments and systems we have now are fucked. they're the same fucking governments who are pushing white genocide the same governments giving BILLIONS of tax dollars that were meant for services for our people away to shitskin countries

I'm not a libertarian or Redditor but the Jew run anti white degeneracy pushing western governments need to be torn down

>>132561792
I'd rather live in a wooden colonial home than those brick huts you snaggle toothed gremlins call homes.

>>132562336
Life is suffering.
You're argument is that all living things should be killed to end their pain.
I'll agree to abide by this if you go first.

>>132566954
Defining who or what has a "being" typical libshit argument espousing to brain activity being the determining factor of a present consciousness.

>>132566942
>someone is braindead and literally cannot experience pain or stress
>but they still suffer somehow, because I say so

>>132567007
Cool, so where is your argument that attempts to explain why his parents shouldn't be allowed to take custody of him and let him die at home where they want?

>>132566965
>experimental treatment
>oh noooes they are experimenting on him like he's a guinea pig and poking him and dissecting him and stuffs

Every medical treatment was an experiment before it was established to work. No?

>>132567461
It's not their own money.

>>132565702
>((( (((insurance))) companies)))

>>132567521
It was freely given to them

>>132567461
Because that's not what it fucking is at the core of the issue. The UK government hasn't stepped in and stopped somebody from buying a car. How many times?
>>132567504
Appealing to emotion is a typical libshit argument.

Also
>literally not an argument
That's a straight ad hominem. You refuted nothing I said.

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>>132567276

To defend human life, above all when it is wounded by illness, is a duty of love that God entrusts to all

I pray that Trump, or anyone with some real clout can embarrass the powers-that-be that have consigned this boy to death into allowing him to come to the U.S. for treatment. It may not save him, but he needs every chance to live that he can get, just as anyone does.

Fuck Bongland but it really is hopeless for that kid. No amount of taxpayer money can fix him.

>>132567461
Ask your question again but this time don't leave out the other factors.

>Jew run anti white degeneracy pushing western governments need to be torn down
That's unrelated to this.
Hitler himself would've pulled the plug too.

>>132567489
If there's no hope of the pain leading to a few good moments in life, but rather just more pain would you still want to carry on?

>>132567633
Trump already vowed to publicly confront May about it.

>>132567461
>What's wrong with spending my own money to keep my critically ill child in pain for as long as I can afford it?

>>132567576
If allowing parents to spend their money to turn their child into a medicine cabinet is libertarian, then that explains why the rest of their core beliefs are garbage.

>>132567521
Why would you go on the internet and just tell lies? What's your endgame? The parents have raised over a million pounds.

>money that has been freely given by individual A to individual B in fact still belongs to individual A

What the fuck??

>>132567670
There's always hope.
That's what hope is.

>>132567758
>>132567519

>>132567363
>your argument doesn't end up with supporting evidence
The burden of proof is on you. Prove that it's a false premise by showing us evidence that death isn't an improvement.

I'll wait :^)

>>132558384
It's more or less identical to a case from 2014 or 2015

>Some toddler has brain cancer
>Government basically say the treatment is too expensive
>Ask government if they can go to, I think, Croatia for the treatment because it's cheap as fuck there
>Government says no
>Public start hearing about the story and get annoyed that they're putting a price on life
>Government quickly change the story to "the treatment could make things worse because it doesn't work"
>Parents tell the government to go fuck themselves and take the child to Croatia anyway
>Government are infuriated that someone dare defy them
>Government swear they'll press all charges on the parents for "putting the child in danger", the child with brain cancer in more danger than he's already in
>More widespread public hear about what is happening
>Government get huge backlash
>Parents refuse to come home
>Government finally says they won't be prosecuted
>Kid literally cured of cancer
>Same (((media))) that tried to demonize the parents now heralds them as national heroes

Absolutely disgusting.

>>132567766
And it's still nowhere near enough. So, where is the rest coming from?

>>132567519
>where is your argument that attempts to explain why his parents shouldn't be allowed to take custody of him and let him die at home where they want?
they don't get to take the hospital with them to keep the kid alive long enough to take him home

>>132567732
So when you want to make the argument that "he's in pain, death will end it," he's a fully human, but when you want to take away parental agency, you cry, "he's brain-damaged and not a real human!"

You are perpetuating evil

>>132558384
>medical care in your country is socialized, which means the government gets to decide how the child gets treatment
But that's wrong, you fucking moron.

>>132565907
>world peace
A fucking lie that will never happen

>everyone gets along
No they don't which is why people should be allowed to defend themfuckingselves but no can't have a gun

>>132567851
source or fuck off

>>132567633
Human life is God's creation. Your claim is that the defense of it is your responsibility even when God takes his own will upon it.
You are a heretic.
Prepare to burn.

>>132568004
there are different kinds of cruelty
keeping something alive that normally would already be dead is cruel, and perpetuating that cruelty is not a right anyone should have

>>132567452
>>132567443
i'm not denying that the kid is all but a breathing machine. but who is anyone else besides those responsible for him to make decisions on his life? we had a huge debate in america over nearly this shit a few years ago with a brain dead woman, it was big news. many americans want socialized healthcare and canada has similar, if i lived in one of those countries i would fear for my and my childrens lives daily. get hit by a car and the country decides to just let you die. it's fucked up and everyone knows it.

>>132566322
They still have better skill for future planning than the British government who thinks replacing whites with shitskins will make everyone prosperous and that shitskins can live peacefully among the white man

>>132567891
>it's not enough

It's not enough to what? Fly him to the USA and check him into a hospital? The hospital in the USA disagrees with you, you moron.

>if I keep saying something over and over it becomes true!!

>>132567900
>they don't get to take the hospital with them to keep the kid alive long enough to take him home

Umm, yes they do, what the fuck lmao. They can pay to have the machines to keep him alive to travel to the United States. They will take the hospital with them and he will survive the trip.

>but I said he won't so that's the end of the argument haha

>>132568186
>who is anyone else besides those responsible for him to make decisions on his life?
you're right, I should be able to abuse and torture my children however I see fit, I'm their legal guardian after all and I'll pay all the bills

>crazy christcucks spin a massive sob story about their child
>raise a bunch of money from gullible retards
>WE GO TO AMERICA NOW, BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!! (this is a lie)
>seppo doctor called to justify this shit
>"Yeh nah cunts actually totally fucked my ultra-experimental cure has literally no chance at fixing him. The parents lied to me about how fucked his condition was. You should probably put him down aye."
>this is literally the medical opinion on the very person the parents tried to get to fix their fuckup.

Seppos are fucking cancer.

>>132566954
The argument being used by your anti white government is not that the kid will be suffering but that he costs too much money

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>>132563240
Haha

>>132568247
>They can pay
no they can't
also its sick to think that anything good would come of such a drastic action
this is parents who are desperate and they are not thinking of anyone but themselves

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>>132568314

You should thank God that you are healthy in every way, but if you weren't, I would expect your family (whanau) to do EVERYTHING they could to keep you alive and with them before releasing you to God's Kingdom.

>>132568008
Do you genuinely think that the everyday person arming themselves in defense of perpetual threats leads to prosperous, civilized society?
No, of course you don't. And not just because you're not aware enough of history to see the fact that it's empirically false, but because you don't actually possess any notion of "society" beyond the people you personally interact with.

>>132568247
I assumed you were talking about the costs of the experimental treatments, which is the whole reason for this debate in the first place. I don't think anyone is against flying him home to die peacefully.

>>132567801
>An experimental treatment is available
>One that has been offered gratis by a world-renowned expert
>Who already has treated this very condition

I guess like polio this condition is just incurable and no one should try to improve humankind or this one being's life. Also saying death ends suffering is like saying that the pesty cost of haircuts are ended by guillotine. I don't and won't kowtow to this nihilism.

>>132566693
Better the money gets wasted on a white retard than on a subhuman.

>>132568301
nice argument retard

>>132568186
When technology as amazing as life support exists, institutions within the government need to co-exist with them to a certain degree on administration issues, and application of them, and this is a core example of exactly why they need to exist. Especially given how hugely expensive they are to operate, and in a socialized healthcare system.

Obviously I'd not be saying the same if this was a child with cancer, but in this case, absolutely. This child has nothing.

And I don't think permitting parents to spend their money (even if it is THEIR money) to turn their child into a guinea pig in the USA, extending his misery and torture, is very Liberal. and I think Liberalism is retarded anyway
>>132568242
Sick fucking born bro. Meanwhile, this child is still a braindead fucking dummy. Want to make an actual argument as to how his hugely expensive and useless existence is justified? >>132568375
What would this child ever give towards the white cause? Niggers are literally more productive than this kid, and you can never say that.

>>132568447
Learn to cope with loss you fucking oxygen thief.

YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE FUCKING

Regardless of the ethics of the child's condition. The fact that government, not the parents who have the money and numerous hospitals willing to give it a shot, have basically stolen custody of there fucking child and killed it should be seen as fucking totalitarian, and an outrage. This is unfucking acceptable. This means under socialized medicine the government can legally KILL YOU and you will have no say in it.
FFS

>>132568455
>I don't think anyone is against flying him home to die peacefully.
HE DOESN"T NEED TO FLY HOME TO DIE PEACEFULLY WTFFFFF

>>132561850
I'm surprised to see such a great comment from a leaf. We need more of you, leaf.

If the state kills that child and there isn't a mass shooting/knife attack on the murders at the hospital, there is no justice left in that dreary shithole of an island.

Doctors sworn duty is to save lives. The state exists -- or should exist -- to protect the rights of individuals. Neither of these facts are being adhered to, and a the life of a child will be ripped away in the process. The state has decided to end the life of an innocent, implicitly against the wishes of that citizens parents, and the doctors doing it will be utterly complicit in state sanctioned murder of the innocent. That's as much a time for bloodshed if there ever is one. I hope they burn that place to the ground.

>>132568547
>ad-hominem
glad to see you concede the argument so gracefully /s

>>132568457
I'm sorry it seems as though you didn't understand what I said.
A guillotine results in the same thing as suicide- death. Death is the thing that you need to prove is NOT an improvement on suffering.
Haircuts are not a valid comparison in any way.

>>132568572
>numerous (((hospitals))) willing to give it a shot
>OH WHOOPS HE DIED, NOW ABOUT THAT $50m BILL YOU OWE US...
Neck yourself.

>>132568572
No, it isn't. Again, when technology as amazing as life support exists, you don't get to use Libertarian appeals for the 18th century regarding it. Departments of the government NEED to administrate it.

It isn't LIBERAL or HUMANE to allow parents to PAY (with their own money) for their child to become a medicine dispenser. It isn't totalitarian, it's a biproduct of modern medicine that can allow a kid like this, who has no conscience, to continue living.

>>132558384

The parents have raised 1.6million for treatment, doctors still wont let it happen.

i would literally bomb the hospital and mow down every single last employee. brits are such useless unarmed cucks.

>>132562813
Nice try Schlomo.

>>132568572
>I don't know how health insurance works either

>>132568439
>no they can't
>Literally lalalala I can't hear you I can't hear you whatever I say is right is right lalalala

wow. The hospital in the USA has already accepted them. The hospital in the USA has already accepted them. The hospital in the USA has already accepted them. Why would they do that if they knew the parents couldn't afford it? You don't think that's the first fucking thing they discussed?

>Hospital: sure we can treat the kid, you got the money?
>Parents: we raised 1 million pounds
>Hospital: Okay, bring him over
>Random dipshit fucking moron anon on 4chan: NO NO NO THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT I DONT KNOW ANYTHING AND I'M NOT A PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT ALL BUT I KNOW MORE THAN EITHER PARTY INVOLVED

>>132568455
>I don't think anyone is against flying him home to die peacefully.

Well you're extremely ignorant of the entire situation/thread. The UK Government itself is against these parents taking that baby out of the building, forget the country, and down the street to die in his parent's crib they bought for him.

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>>132568750
>treatment

That biomass is not their son. It never was. There was never a spark of life in there, it doesn't have a intellect or a personality. It's not a person. It's a computer without an operating system. It's a living mass of tissue being artificially sustained on taxpayer dime like a science experiment.

>>132568849
>The UK Government itself is against these parents taking that baby out of the building, forget the country, and down the street to die in his parent's crib they bought for him.
I stand corrected, then. Fuck the UK Gov.

>>132568750
There is no treatment you fuckwit.

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>>132568571

My girlfriend and I lost a baby, mate, stillborn. Have you ever experienced something like that? I look at his picture and see him as a little angel taking on God’s work.

Is that letting go? I hear his little voice: “Yes!”

I watch myself as I look at other boys and young men, and wish I could watch him grow up into a strong man. This is the hardest part for me to be able to accept. All the lost hopes and dreams are forever present.

In many respects I know that we were given a gift of his presence for the time he was here, inside his mum. I know that his time with us was precious – for that I am truly thankful, but I would have given my own life for his. I would do anything for God to have spared his life. You don't understand.

The pain is so intense at times yet as my mum says life goes on… easy to say when you’ve never lost a child… grieving for a child is just so different can’t anyone see that…

>>132567521
Actually yes the parents were willing to go to a different country and spend their own money and money raised for their cause. Unlike taxes these people chose to donate money here


Oh yeah and tell me guys if you care about costing too much money why aren't you up in arms about billions of your tax dollars being sent to shitskin countries. The faggots who run my country just gave $10 million to a fucking terrorist. Imagine what could be done half that was given to this kid instead. I'm mad because our governments literally waste billions by giving it to subhuman shitskin hellholes with double digit IQs yet come and tell us they can't spend any of our money to our medical or even fix our roads

>>132568700
>Why should I suffer annoying haircuts that cause me to suffer debilitating cost and time spent talking to a fucking shrill harpy for twenty minutes every two weeks? Why not just get rid of my head and ve done with it? Clearly this would solve all my problems.

This is the argument you and others are making when you say "death ends suffering."

>>132568849
>The hospital in the USA has already accepted them.
more like approved their credit what with their 1.6 million down payment

>>132568997
So even God agrees that you shouldn't be able to pass on your retardation. Thanks for proving my point.

>>132564984
>that video
literally wtf

Trump should take Air Force One and go pick him up

>>132568969
the government has a responsibility to protect children from undue harm, even from their well-meaning parents

>>132564984
>Please, let the government decide when I should die.

>>132569011
It has nothing to do with the amount of money, and everything to do with the fact that parents should not be able to spend their own money to turn their own child into a tool for research in a foreign country when said child is deaf, blind, brain damaged, no conscience, lives through a machine and lacks every single feature that defines actual humans. He is a literal subhuman.

>>132569036
Do people commit suicide over having to listen to their barber for twenty minutes every two weeks?
I believe I already told you that's not a valid comparison.
I'm still waiting.

>>132569132
If it's just taking the kid home and turning off the machines that keep him alive, I hardly see the difference from doing the same thing in the hospital.

>>132569208
Just read my many other posts. I've addressed a thousand times that when you're living through a machine, and nature would kill you if you didn't have that machine, the government isn't deciding when you're dying given the circumstances.

>>132569208
>what is military service

>>132567669
>hitler himself
Hitler was actually interested in medical treatments for his people. Considering hitler didn't believe in sending billions of tax dollars away in foreign aid to shitskins who will never learn to make anything more advanced than a wooden spear he'd have had the money to do things like find cures to rare conditions hell maybe the kid would never have been born like this with proper advancements in genetic science something that's being constantly shitndoen by (((them))) because it proves there are differences between races

>>132569289
>taking the kid home and turning off the machines
you can not do this in this order

>>132560930
Wow it didnt take that long for nigs to come up huh

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>>132558384
>ITT: a bunch of pussies who are scared of death
>"EHHUUUEEE DEATH IS WORSE THAN SUFFERING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEATH EVEN IS"

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ITT everyone learns (slowly) that a baby has Human Rights as well (Those against Abortions should be well aware of this) and it is the State's Job to protect those rights.

All medical analysis shows that keeping the baby alive only continues its suffering - and a cure is nigh impossible.

A child is not the 'property' of its parents.

You do know the state can take away your child if you are an absolute piece of shit in raising it right? CPS exists. None of this is new.

>>132569248
Its a difference in scale, but you are saying the same thing.

>pain is inconvenient
>you cant feel pain if youre dead
>dying is the solution

I dont accept your premise

>>132569385
>the hospital is a mystical place where those machines can only exist, the machines that keep this child alive will dissipate from existence if they leave the building known as a hospital
>you cannot buy hospital equipment for your home

Is that really what you're implying?

>handing your baby boy off to the vatican

all you fuckers are missing the bigger picture.

>>132558384
>Trump offers to help save your kids life
>tell him to resign instead of accepting his help
They want their kid to die. Tweeting a sick burn is more important than their sons life.

>>132562336

We all agree, but that doesn't mean the government can decide this for you.

Also, the baby's suffering can be justified if it results in experimentation that could potentially save future babies with this disorder or related illnesses.

>>132569345
Interested sure, but not at the expense of his own people.
That's why the experimenting was done on subhumans.

>everyone ITT saying that terminally ill children don't deserve to live
y tho?
also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqnoGDQ2i2k

>>132560145
we arnt talking about your money.

>>132569503
>the hospital is a mystical place where those machines can only exist
this is actually as close to the truth as you are liable to understand

>>132558384

It's absolutely abhorrent. At least the Pope stood up for him, which is good, because so far the Pope has been a liberal cuck who seems more concerned with seemijng popular.

>>132569503
>I'm going to spend money to buy life support equipment so I can immediately turn it off
People should be forcibly prohibited from being this retarded, correct.

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>murica
>all poor people left to die
>only people who can afford it get care

lel

>>132569436
ITT: You continue to dodge addressing my points. Won't explain why allowing parents to spend money on making their child a drug research tool is justified under the law. Won't explain how a child whom is deaf, blind, brain damaged, lives through a machine & has an average life span of 3 months with his genetic disorder, & even if there were an endless supply of wealth to keep him alive, he'd live absolutely no conceivable life what so ever.


Seriously, address my point. WHY should parents be able to turn their child, whom is dead basically anyway, into a research tool in a foreign country EVEN with their own money? Why is that liberal, or humane on any level? It is fucking sickening and the fact you've dodged every response saying this indicates you know this.

>>132558384
>Britcucks will defend this
>first post is a Brit decrying the state of his country and its unabashed anti-white, pro-cuck, pro-socialism, pro-government bullshit

I love how Americans think we're as lacking in self awareness as they are.

>>132562536
>Arent you americans all for small government? What the fuck happened to you.

Been living under a rock the past few decades, teacher faggot? Remember when Americans voted a Kenyan nigger into office as president of the free world? Remember when they pioneered left wing SJW culture full of stupid big government ideals and disseminated all over the games, comics and movie industry? Funny stuff.

>>132569718
>what so ever
....is justified in being kept "alive"

>>132569651
>denying reality / making up outright lies: the poster

I'm not replying to you anymore, but I'm here in this thread still.

>>132569698
>I should be the arbiter of how people choose to spend their own money

Okay Commandant Stalin

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>>132562320
>OOGA BOOGA MUH DICK!

Your nigger is coming out Tyrone.

>>132562336
>he fell for the utilitarianism meme
You realize utilitarianism is the justification for the destruction of the west, right?

>>132560726
>resources are plentiful
ftfy.

>>132569771
>>I should be the arbiter of how people choose to spend their own money
>to perform human experimentation on a machine-corpse

>>132567732
Except there's also a case where a parent put their child out of their misery caused by a mistake in the hospital where the fucks deprived the baby of oxygen when it was born because of all the (((fuckery))) they do with newborn babies and it was to the point the child's spine was falling apart from the uncontrollable muscle tremors so the dad out the kid out of it's misery and got his ass locked up for it

So basically it's not ok to put someone out of their misery unless (((they))) decide. Got it mister Goldberg

>b-but it's a waste of taxpayer money because the kid is going to die anyway!
>but the taxpayer isn't paying for it
>w-we said no!

>>132569793
>get called a virgin
>call them a nigger

the spirit of 4chan endures yet

>>132569771
Good. Comply. Because you are too dumb to function independently.
Now remember that it's not your money in the first place. It belongs to the state.

>>132561555
>brit tries to insult American
>ends up giving a compliment
Ahmed is waiting for you to fluff him so he can breed your daughter, cuck

>>132569771
maybe I want to spend my own money hunting Canadians
How dare you tell me I can't do that!

>>132569892
>b-but we only want to take our child who's kept alive via a machine 4000 miles away to try new research methods for a genetic illness that effects 12 people
>What the fuck do you mean that's not covered under the law?
>must be fucking death panels

>>132569884
first of all
>false equivalency
>false dilemma
>appeal to emotion (lol)

>there's also a case
source or fuck off\
actually, just fuck off already, even the British are arguing with you ffs

>>132568450
So I guess we should just roll over and let criminals steal and rape then?

>muh cops
When seconds count they're only a few minutes away plus it's been ruled they don't actually have to protect you. Gun bans don't work any more than weed ban or alcohol prohibition worked

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>>132558384
>parents have in effect lost legal custody of their child to the state, which will now proceed to legally euthanize him
This is the problem with state control mechanisms in Socialized societies. Totally fucking immoral.

>>132569892
Taxpayer money (British taxes) has gone towards it since birth because it is on the British government healthcare.

>>132569333

Voluntary

Statist cuck

>>132569892
>I'm going to ignore the actual harm done to the infant and make it about money
godDAMN I hate my country sometimes

>>132570224
try that argument once you join, retard

>>132570188
No it isn't, you absolute fucking nutcase. Stop getting your view of the world from thread titles. Read the thread would be a nice start. Then start by researching the genetic condition. And finally conclude it by researching just what these ""parents"" want to do.

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>>132569839
>giving someone an experimental treatment is inherently bad no matter what
>no one should ever conduct experiments and progress humanity's knowledge of medicine
>instead of giving someone an experimental treatment that has a very small chance of helping them, they should just be killed

>>132569955
>>132569984
>random insult posts with no argument at all

stupid posts get a stupid answer

>>132570196
But the argument here is that the taxpayer no longer has to foot the bill because the parents have raised the money themselves to continue his treatment elsewhere.

>But we should retribution kill the child for costing us so much money with nothing to show for it

>>132558384
>rare genetic disorder
why let this kid grow up and reproduce and spread the defect?

let it die god damn it's nature

>>132570337
>I can't recognize an actual argument so I'll just shitpost with reddit spacing

>>132570337
>that has a very small chance of helping them
It doesn't have a very small chance of "helping" you half breed. It is a chance of making him live, temporarily, off life support so he isn't a multi-million dollar drain on the taxpayer or kept alive through donations. He has absolutely no long term prospects for living a life. As stated, he has no qualities of a human. He is a subhuman by definition - no conscience, brain damaged, blind, lives through wires and a machine. It's nothing.

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>>132570337
>no one should ever conduct experiments and progress humanity's knowledge of medicine
you're right
I bet we'd learn a lot from experimenting on live people
I bet we'd learn even more if we used twins

>>132569892
Do the parents not realize they have really pushed their luck & the public healthcare system too far? There's likely millions already down the drain on this kid, there's no way he'll achieve consciousness, & after wasting all that money they are upset that the government doesn't want to foot another bill for them to transport a baby, twenty tons of machines, & a team of health professional overseas for treatment that cannot make their kid cognizant?

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>>132570478
>kept alive through donations
>I should be allowed to tell people not to donate money freely to other people because I disagree with why they are doing it

>rest of the post

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/05/care-home-worker-caught-punching-dementia-patient-89-eleven-times-in-video-6755797/

>Canadian 'free' healthcare

>>132570652
>i should be allowed to take my child 4000 miles away to become a guinea pig
Still dodging.

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>Raise private donations for treatment
>Government still won't let you go

BOY AM I GLAD WE LEFT YOUR SHITTY CONTINENT

>>132558384
that's what you faggots get for voting socialist

>>132570717
>treatment
you are still using that word
>>132568913

>>132570478
If it's "nothing" then the parents should be able to spend all the private donation money they want in another country to attempt to treat it.

>>132570645
>we should not radiate people to the point of death, it won't help get rid of their cancer!!
>all experimentation on any human being = you're josef mengele

>>132570710
>I should be able to tell people they are not allowed to take their child 4000 miles away to receive experimental medical treatment
>if I say he's going to become a guinea pig that sounds worse and thus I win the argument lol

>>132561792
>>132562932
rekt

>>132570765
>private insurance wouldn't have pulled the plug weeks ago

this is making me lose my buzz

>>132570337
I'm okay if the parents want to waste their money on the experimental procedure because at least it's not mine or a taxpayer's money. But do they even realize the kid can't live outside of the hospital? They want to give him a bath & tuck him into his crib but you can't do that if there's tubes all over.

>>132568559
>his hugely expensive and useless existence

So do you support executions then? There are a fuck ton of hugely expensive useless existences that we pay to keep in prison for life. Refugees are hugely expensive useless and they're causing death you better support keeping them out then (I know I do btw)

>>132570178
>So I guess we should just
Well that's sucks. We can either form ineffective ad-hoc possies to hunt down people who attack us and will perpetually continue to attack us.
Or we can give up let them do whatever they want. There's no other possible solution to dealing with that threat.
No solution was developed 4+ millennia ago, called organized government, to keep large societies free of that threat in the first place.
Nope.

>Gun bans don't work any more than weed ban or alcohol prohibition worked.
There are no countries where civilians don't have guns/weed/alcohol?

>>132570717
1. Read the whole thread
2. Look up the genetic illness and how it paralyzes all functions that define humanity in a person
3. Look up said ""treatment"" which does not fix his blindness, deafness, brain damage, lack of conscienceless, physical paralyzation, or lack of speech, but simply has a slim chance of keeping him alive, temporarily, off life support
4. Ask yourself if travelling 4000 miles to turn your child into a research tool for drugs is better than doing what nature has been attempting to do since this kid was born, and letting him pass on.

>>132570943
>can't defend slippery slope argument
>offers a strawman instead

>>132570224
10 million men forcibly signed to the military to fight in WW2
Service is voluntary right now because there's enough people being brainwashed through propaganda or enticed through the paychecks to fill your masters' wishes.

>>132571042
I can't hear you over my all this freedom I'm enjoying. I'd advise you not to "cut yourself on that edge" but you've already binned your knives.

>>132568712
>let's take half your income every year don't worry we'll spend it on roads schools hospitals the military and other services that makes everyone's life better. Whoops let's cut all that and give $5 billion to foreign nations instead

>>132571042
being alive defines humanity

>narrowing the definition of human to justify homicide and winnow the gene pool

EU is actually a fascist state, I dunno if you all knew that.

>>132571274
>he thinks the US is a nation and not an empire, don't what empires do and supporting their foreign territories.

>>132571274
>Whoops let's cut all that
except that's not what happens

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>>132571224
Holy shit, are you genuinely that much of a fucking halfwit you thought my genuine, logical argument based on facts was me attempting to me edgy?

I've said it already, but when modern technology as amazing as life support exists, certain departments of the government also need to co-exist with this to administrate their use. This explains why. Whether you're spending your own money or not, you have absolutely no right to take that child 4000 miles to turn him into a research tool for a genetic condition which effects 12 people in the world. He is paralyzed, he isn't a human in the same way we are, and that's not edge, it's an accurate description of what this child is. He has no life, no prospects of living any sort of life, and is assigned to living out his extremely shortened lifespan through some wires and a machine.

>>132568960
>be in country that artificially sustains millions of niggers on the taxpayers dime and silent about it
>be all of a sudden now concerned about one kid wasting tax money

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>>132560145
Youre a literal faggot

>>132571342
Well then, this kid is alive.

That's it. Literally nothing else can be said about this kid. He can't even breathe off his own accord.

>>132571529
>any government support that benefits someone other than me is a handout and is undeserved

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>>132567476
Fucking kek

>>132569214
>it has nothing to do with the amount of money
According to your government their reasoning for pulling the plug is exactly that

And who is to say that suffering is worse than death?

>>132571767
>who is to say that suffering is worse than death
literally everyone

>>132571515
>Parents don't have the right to take their child wherever they please because I disagree with where they are taking them
>I am the one who makes the decisions about other people's children

wew

>>132571767
>And who is to say that suffering is worse than death?
We're still waiting for you to prove otherwise.

>>132571767
You don't appeal to the highest court in the land, and then appeal to the highest court in the continent, and get a simple, one sentence "nah, too much money answer" - the response to take this child off life support was an extremely long and thought out case which concluded that it was not moral, nor financially conceivable, to keep his child alive in the long term.

1 million would not keep his kid on life support for 3 days.

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>>132571872
>I am the one who makes the decisions

>What is "government"?

>>132569436
I agree with you but you should know according to rulings by courts it's actually not the states responsibility to protect anyones rights

>>132571872
>that second line
>projecting this fucking hard

>>132571872
No, you're right. Parents don't have the right to turn their ball of nothing into a ball of nothing with syringes sticking in to him. Absolutely not at all.

>>132571967
>according to rulings
which ones
I'll wait

>>132571959
>What is "Government"?

The government is the will of the people put into action. If the anon is advocating that the Government should decide a certain thing about a child, he is necessarily advocating his own personal opinion should be the law of the land. Hello??

>>132571515
If it's not a human then you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Of course I don't take that position. I don't care if it's a disease that affects 1 or 1 million, if it were my child I'd be breaking into the hospital and carrying it out myself if I had to. Distance is also irrelevant.

Look, I don't blame you being sympathetic to consigning yourself to death, I'd want to die to if I lived in your prison of a country. Hope your government full of hyper-sensitive busy bodies hasn't been offended by anything they've seen you typed today. Maybe when it's your turn to die they'll give you the courtesy of being allowed to die in your own home rather than in a cold hospital bed.