Are police in burgerland trained to violate your rights? I hate

>>132521789
I never carry ID therefore I never am able to produce it.

I have been threatened with jail many times but not yet arrested.

>>132522124
This is exactly my problem. Police are trained to threaten you with the threat of jail over bullshit like this. Its a waste of my time and a complete hassle when they lie like that to me. The framers would turn over in their grave if they saw police conduct today.

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>>132521789
Yes, you do have to be a dick to them in that situation (being questioned as a passenger). Your camera on your smart phone is your best friend, always be ready to have it record

Demand higher standards for training from your state legislators with as much (if not more) emphasis on constitutional/statutory law as arrest and defense tactics. Demand your local city hire people with more than an associates degree and pay them accordingly. Demand they hire based on merit, and not color or gender. Demand that your local police present themselves not as soldiers, but public servants. Want to know when this all started? LA riots.

>>132524546
Great ideas here, I'd personality be happy with just the better training with focus on statutory procedure. The only one that could seem iffy in my mind is the associates or higher (although an associates is pretty easy to get). I've certainly had awesome traffic stops with officers (state troopers), but the majority of traffic stops turn into ego feeding bullshit, imo. Personality types should be vetted, but idk how feasible this actually is. I'd be willing to bet that the officers who bring home the revenue through tickets and whatnot (regardless of tactics), the state would be happy to keep that officer on the job as long as its not a PR nightmare

>>132521789
Am I being detained or am I free to go?
On what probable cause?
What crime did I commit?

These are the questions you are supposed to ask them! Then they act dumb and ask you are you a lawyer! You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law!!!! KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!!

>>132521789
t. Lolbertarian edgelord

>>132521789
the main problem with traffic stops is:

a. they're always predicated on bullshit
and
b. protocol for cops is to literally attempt to escalate every traffic stop into a DUI arrest or a drug possession arrest

so of course they're asking for the passenger's ID even though they saw the DRIVER do something wrong. it's 100% bullshit

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well you can't really meme their training outta existence, just be a cuck when you're pulled over.
besides different cops different personalities, and a normal person would give you shit if you give them shit, let them do their jobs and then they fuck off

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>>132521789
>I hate being asked for ID as a passenger in a vehicle stopped for a minor traffic violation, but police are insistent on it.
LITERALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN TO WHITE PEOPLE

I'VE BEEN DRIVER AND PASSENGER IN AN ALL-WYPEPO CAR DURING TRAFFIC STOPS, COPS NEVER ASKED FOR ID FROM ANYONE ELSE

DRIVER SHOWS LICENSE INSURANCE REGISTRATION DONE AND DONE HAVE A GOOD DAY SIR

BASED COPS OFTEN LET ME OFF WITH JUST A WARNING TOO KEK

I haven't had many encounters with police since I stopped breaking the law.

>>132526643
Agreed, and despite what some anon said earlier, I'm no libertarian. I just don't like traffic police, as they are there to either collect revenue for the state, or give you an unneeded hassle in general when it comes to traffic stops. The shit they do is unnecessary 80% of the time. Police should focus more on real crime and criminals as opposed to flooding the streets with DUI checkpoints so they can inspect everything about your car and be a constant presence in your life. It actually feels like some jew mind game designed to get people to automatically capitulate and give way to the state from a very, very young age.

>>132527183
WOW YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE COMPLETELY REVERSES A KNOWN TREND WHERE POLICE ASK FOR ID AND THREATEN TO ESCALATE THE SITUATION BY CLAIMING IT'S ILLEGAL TO NOT HAVE ID ON YOU WHEN IN FACT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DEMAND IT FROM YOU

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>>132527499
>HE DRIVES 55

LMAO SKRUB

America is a full-blown whacko nazi police state - I wouldn't leave the door there, you are more likely to be killed by some loony burger than a mudslime anywhere else.

>>132521789
What's your problem with the police knowing who you are and making sure they're not talking to some escaped psycho or terrorist?

>>132528118
I have the constitutional right to not be unlawfully detained without a valid reason

>>132528118
>cop takes your ID
>goes back to his donut-wrapper covered little cuck console and lists you as having been stopped, suspicious, etc.
>cops will now see this and treat you like a piece of shit automatically
>if you forget that such a thing happened and tell them "nah i ain't never been stopped" they'll proclaim you a liar and use that as "probable cause" to drag you out of your vehicle

Cops are arrogant, corrupt cunts. Each and every one of them. They are not to be trusted. They are not to be sympathized with. They'd imprison little kids if they thought it could boost their rep and salary.

You shouldn't give a cop even the tiniest fucking smidgen of ammunition, nor should you comply unless you HAVE to.

>>132522124
They can look up your car, give you a ticket, and you have to show up at the police station at some time and produce ID and, say, a $15 fine (in CA at least). How are you just getting away with it?

>>132526254
Driving is a privilege not a right. You can do that schtick on public ground but not in a car.

>>132528328
What does that have to do with identification?

>>132529020
Are public roads, policed by public servants, not public grounds? Driving is traveling, and we have the implied right to freely travel without unnecessary detention. The jews got to you, thinking that driving is not a right but a privelege

>>132529020
>driving is a privilege
>therefore cops should be allowed to pull over anyone and fuck with anyone whether its justified or not, and it usually isn't

wew lad

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awful lotta black people itt

>>132529072
I am not a suspect in a crime, he can ask me to give ID as a passenger, but not demand it of me. Technically I am under detention as a passenger in a stopped vehicle, but only by proxy. The chop has no right to demand my ID,. As far as I'm concerned it is a waste of my time and not needed.

>>132521789
Things like demanding ID from passengers and the criminalization of marijuana are meant to catch niggers slipping, giving the state an excuse to hassle them or put them behind bars. Of course, the state can't explicitly say this, so officers are trained to enforce the law without prejudice. This results in white niggers finding themselves on the receiving end of the criminal justice system. When faced with the consequences of their actions, both niggers and white niggers deny culpability, employing similar rhetoric such as "we don't obey your laws whitey, we wuz kangz n sheeeiiit" or "we don't obey your laws statists, we wuz founderz n sheeeiiit."

>>132529870
t.officer poundsass

>>132521789
1. Why have you stopped me?
2. I do not consent to searches.
3.Do you have probable cause a crime has been committed?
4. Am I free to go or am I being detained?
5. When operating a vehicle, you are required to have identification, registration and insurance. (Some places allow you to show you ID, insurance & registration using your phone.)

If they do handcuff you, use the fifth amendment and say nothing.
Miranda rights- "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say or do can be used against you in a court. You have the right to an Attorney. If you can not afford an Attorney, one will be appointed/provided for you. Do you understand what has been read."

Most people are arrested because they do not flex their rights.
Check your local laws, if necessary print them out. Not all officers are law-abiding.

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>>132528328
the problem is, they are checking if its lawful or not, they don't yet know its unlawful.
>the reason why they stopped you might be unlawful in your opinion, but its an opinion
they're checking. what you're asking is that they cease to exist.
>living in an area owned by a government that has laws imposed upon

>>132530088
>poundsboipussy

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>>132529782
then who will protect us against the sjws?

>>132527183
I am white and it has happened to me.
Every situation is different.

>>132528896
In Oregon you just mail it in

>>132530243
>have right to not be detained for no reason
>detained for no reason
>it's okay because the cops have to check and find a reason they detained you

>>132530105
This faggot has it right, except you shouldn't say "fifth amendment," because then they'll slap that down in court like the cucks they are all "h-he s-said he p-p-pleads the fifth, g-g-gGUUILTYYY"

Say "I will not speak until I have talked with my attorney," once, and then refuse to talk again.

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Police are my friends and I would give my life for them.

Niggers are our common enemy...

>>132521789

it's pretty simple, let me break it down for you (you retard):

1. Roads are largely public and automobiles and other passenger vehicles are potentially dangerous
2. For privilege of DRIVING YOUR OWN VEHICLE you submit to inspection by state authorities for a variety of pretexts, some spurious i'll admit, but largely meant to protect the public from the wide array of horrible possibilities whenever a person gets behind the wheel.
3. if you wish to avoid such problems, you always have the option of contracting a taxi cab, limo, or other mode of transportation other than a potentially dangerous automobile to carry you to your desired destination

Get over yourself. Get on your fucking knees and thank God for the privileges that modern technology affords you. If you drive no more than 5mph over the limit and don't fucking tailgate like a retard then you'll practically never have a problem.

t. someone who practically never has a problem, and when i do it is 100% of the time the other person's fault and their insurance reimburses me for the value of my vehicle and pays for a rental of similar value while i shop for a replacement.

>>132529782
Exterminate all police.

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>>132521789
>every time
I haven't been stopped by the police since 2007 even though I speed, drive aimlessly at night, and do both these into and out of Chicago.
Stop looking shady OP.

>>132521789
>people unironically having this problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69XxYjfx-k

>>132530655
I usually do not speak after the initial interaction of papers.

As someone stated before, "Don't do illegal stuff".

>>132528328
>>132530243
i realize you're talking about constitutional rights, some of the amendments are based, idk all of them
the way i see it as an outsider, as a burger you have to fight for a constitutional right to be imposed on a law, laws apply before constitution

>>132521789
AM I BEING DETAINED??!!

>>132530601
see >>132531029

>>132530457
WELL, ARE YOU LIKE A SCUMBAG METH HEAD DRIVING A BEATER

OP is a fucking faggot.

>>132527746
I usually just calmly ask which law. The key is to use a low voice, make no sudden movements and be calm when asserting your rights. I call the, officer or sir while doing so. If it's going to be a big deal, make them make it a big deal but provide no justification for them to use later.

t. Guy who has refused vehicle searches, requests for ID etc successfully many times.

>>132531029
Wrong.
In Burgerstan, the Constitution is over local law.
The reason for "Miranda Rights".

>>132521789
The supreme court ruled that due to the inherently dangerous nature of car stops, police are able to ask for ID of all people inside vehicles.

>>132530973

;)

>>132531029
I don't fault you for not understanding, but it's exactly the opposite of the way you are thinking about it. When a law is passed, it is passed to the courts to verify that the law is within the parameters of our constitution. Our constitutional rights supercede any law made by Congress, state, or local legislatures. It is literally the law of the land here

>>132529311
You're welcome to travel by walking on any road where you can do so without putting yourself or drivers in danger. If you want to operate an inherently dangerous machine like a car, there are some rules you must follow to keep yourself safe.

>>132531359
you're missing my point
>talking in the (getting pulled over) context

>get pulled over
>argue with the cop
isn't ideal

>>132530823
Hey, Officer Douchebag, read the OP again, you fucking retard. It says "when they ask for your ID as a passenger"
>a passenger
Go harass some kids, like the tough guy we all know you are, and quit trying to intimidate people on here.
You cocksucker.

>>132529020
Hands on the dash; fingers spread and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!
or you'll get shot!!!!!!!

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>>132527779
my nigger

>>132531365
Source

>>132531156
I refused a vehicle search once, then I STOPPED CARRYING DRUGS IN MY CAR and let them search me the next few times.
Now they don't even ask, I guess they keep records or something who knew.

>>132531478
cant corner the dorner

>>132531120
I was the passenger and my partner's mother was driving. She had a protection order against her ex-husband.
The idiot officer thought I was the ex. Even though we look nothing alike.

>>132528896
If you're the passenger in someone else's car, how does this apply?

>>132531458
see >>132531545

>>132531759
To cops you are treated as the enemy. If you're not a white cop, YOU ARE ALL ENEMIES!!!!!!!

>>132531545
Not arguing, knowing your rights.
Also knowing to shut up and not act like a moron screaming and "chimping out".

>>132531641
What if your friends left something in the backseat that you didn't know about? You will be held responsible. Never let cops search you ever. What is the upside? All I see are downsides

>>132531641
Yeah. It's scary saying "no thanks, not without a warrant" the first time you do it. The cop sometimes gets butt flustered and starts raising his voice. The key for me has been remaining calm. One time the sergeant ended up showing up and him and the cop talked behind my car for a minute and then I was free to be on my way with my speeding ticket.

I don't even hate cops, and I don't even carry anything illegal. I just don't want some rummaging through my car as if it were his.

>>132530823
literally none of that is an argument, lol

>>132531672
>partner
As a degenerate you deserve all the harassment the State can send your way.

>>132531156
This, you have to treat cops like they're dumb, aggressive dogs.

Because they're dumb, aggressive dogs. That's why they got into policework.

>>132531724
I bet they said "do you mind if I do a quick check for weapons? It's for your and my safety haha"

Just say no thanks. If they proceed anyway file a written complaint. Use certified mail if you feel strongly about it.

How about you help them do the people's work with a smile, greet them like friends, make them laugh,,,and pull away with no charges or searches

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My taxes pretty much directly go to the police here. I suggest you obey the laws and cooperate with law enforcement to make us all safe from "niggers"....

Of course if you chose to be a nigger... Well, fuck your shit!

>>132531545
This is my entire point, cops shouldn't ask for a passenger ID ever. They put you in a pickle the second they ask. You have to decide whether you want to be a cucked bitch or flex your constitutional rights at the expense of being harrased by the cop

>>132531925
why stress the guy though, they don't train to exactly uphold your fifth for example, that's what i meant about they don't apply, talking about street level
>getting pulled over
they prioritize doing their "jobs"

>>132530105
or don't be a prick. be polite, answer his questions (only reason not to is you have something to hide unless you're just an asshole), don't complain, you'll likely get off with a warning. if you give the cop a hard time he will try to fuck you.

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>the lolbertarians and sovereign citizen are back

>>132532259
If your worried about some cop being buttflustered for a minute, then you are already a cuck.

It's seriously not that big of a deal. Are you trying to be buddies with the guy who is hassling you?

Make them get a warrant or produce probable cause. Be calm, confident, and above all else, CALM.

>>132521789
After a certain age, I believe 18, you must have some form of ID on you, wether you're in the passenger seat or walking down the sidewalk

>>132532039
Thank you for revealing your own fear of being identified as a degenerate by others.

>>132521789
>God given rights and refuse
No such right is recognized here.

>>132532482
t. Bootlicker

>>132532526
False.

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>>132532231
pigs are the worst.

>>132532231
KEK THAT FATFUCK ON THE LEFT

>WAITING FOR THE COLOR OF THE PERP
>...
>SOME KINDA NONWHITE
THERE IT IS

>>132532526
>leans into mic
"Wrong"

>>132532259
they have the power to do that, back to the
>area owned by a power structure

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>>132532584
r. Bleachednigger

>>132521789
stop looking mexican

>>132532640
Exactly. If you listen carefully, all their search requests are phrased as a question. All you have to do is say no. By saying "I guess" or "ok" you are waiving your 4th amendment rights.

Just pull a gun on them

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>>132532526
>After a certain age, I believe 18, you must have some form of ID on you, wether you're in the passenger seat or walking down the sidewalk

Stop watching, and crying for, CNN...

>>132532482

A M I B E I N G D E T A I N E D

>>132532764
How about you take Johnny Law's cock out of your mouth and use your brain for a minute?

>>132531724
>unironically calls cops pigs
>surprised when they give you a hard time
???

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>>132521789
>start being dicks to cops
I wouldn't recommend that, it'll just make it harder for cops to do their jobs, but I guess it depends where you live.
Here in Chiraq we really need the CPD to save us from Male Black.

>>132531569
You could just show them your ID instead of being a little cunt.

>>132533035
>notanargument.jpg

>>132521789
If you're a lawful citizen, you have nothing to be scared of.

>>132533145
Harassing is a crime.

>>132533035
>lolbergtardian can't go more than 2 posts without talking about penis
Niggers have a higher rate of homosexuality than whites, so this isn't surprising.
>>132532901
Is that drawing on your mom's fridge right now?

>>132533249
say that to the black man next to you!!

>>132532439
youre describing why the cops are able to get away with what they do. im not saying be one of those cunts who just screams "AM I BEING DETAINED" over and over but you cant just allow them to do what they want. you shouldnt have to comply and immediately take the submissive role in that kind of situation. in all honesty the attitude of "politely comply and hope to not be fucked with" is the complete wrong approach.

>>132533145
>You could just show them your ID instead of being a little cunt.

I am required to show them my CCW permit every time I come into contact with them...

>>132533249
Wrong. Lawful citizens get fucked over by cops all the time here in burgerstan. Ever heard of civil forfeiture? "Can't buy a car in cash, obviously you are carrying drug money we need to confiscate that "

>>132532431
Part of the Fifth amendment -"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
This supersedes any "local level".

>>132533375
Niggers are natural criminals, of course they fear the law.

>>132521789
>Obeying the law and complying with police to make everyones lives easier makes you a cuck
lol white people.

>>132533564
Then buy it with a credit card, problem solved, if people were more obedient we wouldn't have such issues, seriously.

>>132533130
90 percent of cops live boring lives in which they pretty much just harass and stop people who really aren't doing much of anything.

The other 10 percent are cunts anyway.

Fuck 'em. If they want to search my car (which has nothing in it, they don't NEED to search it) they can get a fucking warrant.

If they want to put me in cuffs they can put up with me refusing to talk to their stupid pig ass.

They have better things to do with their "precious time" than harass ME, and as such, if they DO harass me I'm not going to make it easy for the cocksuckers.

>>132533578
so true

>>132532439
Dude, listen to >>132533446. You are right that you should never be a prick to a cop, but that doesn't mean you have to consent to a search or produce ID if you aren't the driver. Politeness and courtesy in all things, but that need not involve being a subject. You are a citizen and you have rights. Assert them politely if you wish. Or say yes to the cops and get searched. Neither is really wrong to be honest.

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>>132533578
>police trample basic constitutional rights
>police lie and use intimidation tactics to get you to surrender said rights
>your solution is to just comply with them so they dont throw you in jail
>you are a cuck

>>132533578
>the law
The law says I am not compelled to give up my ID upon request

Have fun in the camps when the jews give the signal cuck

>>132533419
>Friendly reminder that the police are the militant branch of Jewish control over the goyim.

And the niggers are the liberal branch of street criminals...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4

If it weren't for niggers, we would not need Jews to protect us...

>>132533715
(((Credit card)))
(((Obedient)))

How much do you get paid to shill?

>>132533567
yes, that's when you deal with someone who understand that, or applies it. you're dealing with a pawn most of the time
>street level
>getting pulled over
why do people ask for lawyers?

>>132533761
>mommy dressed, bowl cut wearing virgin with no real problems in life
That's everyone ITT that's creating hypothetical scenarios about cops wanting to search their car for reason.

>>132533761
I love the watermelon flag. Good touch

>>132534070
What the fuck is the problem with that? Apparently being a lawful citizen is an alien concept to burgers. Of course, better chimp out like a real gangsta, rite?

>>132532526

Only citizens who agree under contract have to do that.

American nationals never have to provide anything for anyone because they are sovereign.

>>132534207
I'm sure you can defeat against a group of bandits if the police ceases to exist.

>>132533567
>>132534084
most of the times you refuse to comply because a constitutional right, it develops a sticky situation, and you'll get detained and probably
>resisting arrest

>>132532439

>(only reason not to is you have something to hide unless you're just an asshole),
cuck.

>>132534295
How does carrying cash make one an unlawful citizen exactly? I know plenty of people without a bank account who don't have a credit card. How else would you buy a car under those circumstances?

>>132534375

Are you really an American?

>>132534530
You don't, if you want to buy a car, simply get a credit card. Why wouldn't you make a bank account by the way if you're gonna work?

>>132525486
State Troopers are a different breed. What I like about troopers, is they don't buy into that bullshit above the law mindset. When I trooper pulls over a "regular" police officer, the officer better not try any of that flash his badge bullshit to try to get out of the ticket. They will get super pissed, romove that person from the vehicle and give them an ass chewing about why they think laws don't apply to them.

>>132534530
It doesn't.

It DOES give a cop itching for an excuse to fuck you an excuse to fuck you. That's most of what goes on when a cop stops you-- looking for an excuse to fuck you, valid or not, because fucking you is interesting and results in loadsemoney for him and his department.

>>132534084
in high school one of my white friends had a nice newish lexus. he was sitting in a parking lot when weapon DT's pulled up to him and ordered him out. because of his age and the car he was driving they assumed he was a criminal and pried the inside door panels off looking for a stash of weapons.

im willing to bet my bottom dollar that you live in white suburbia so any point you have about how the world is means jack shit.

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>>132534708
Right, good luck with that fantasy of yours.

>>132521789
Lol. Astute. Pigs are trained to get ID at any cost, like those idle threats you mention. They operate under presumption and assuption that you will concede. However, without ID (legal joinder) they have absolutely no jurisdiction. Legal joinder is ID or anything that ties you to the LEGAL NAME, which is actually a fictitious entity.

>>132529782
nigger detected.

>>132521789
Give them your ID you nigger

>>132534759
>Whiteboi dont now shiat bout' real life

>>132533759
here's what I do. if I'm driving and a cop asks to search my car I say "i have nothing to hide, I'll let you search it if you think about letting me off with a warning when you don't find anything."
I've done that dozens of times (habitual speeder with hoopty cars) and maybe once they gave me the ticket anyway. Helps that I have thin blue line stickers on most of my cars.

all this and I smoke weed all the time. I just don't keep shit in my car and if I do I make damn sure I'm not gonna get pulled over. it's easy.

>>132531759
>mommy drives me when we go get tendies, what's the big deal?

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>>132534708
Perhaps you are not able to own or carry a gun yourself then....

>>132526254
Calm down youtube

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>>132534708
>I have my own crew

>>132534928
>Are you going to let me search your car, sir?
"heh, i have nothing to hide, i'll let you search it if yo uthink about letting me off with a warning when you don't find anything.
>cop searches your car
>"""finds""" a baggie of drugs
>arrested
>drug charges
>your house searched
>more drugs
>more charges
>get thrown into jail and your life ruined for eternity

You walk a dangerous path, cuck.

Wtf. Are you all some shady looking drug dealers?

You Americans are acting like you get stopped every other month.

>>132534638
See>>132534753

>>132532526
In some municipalities there are laws about ID. Its not the same everywhere. "Failure to Identify" is a legitimate charge in some places. Its bullshit. But its true.

>>132534928
that wouldnt work in a lot of places. dickhead cops (majority of them) wouldnt like the fact that youre trying to make a deal with them and theyd feel like youre not respecting their authority.

>>132534689
Agreed. State troopers trend to take themselves and their duty a bit more seriously than your standard local or county cops. Much appreciated from my pov

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Being a bootlicker won't save you

>>132535258
>implying every cop is like that
Or maybe those bags of drugs are the same one you bought minutes ago, OH WAIT YOU FORGOT, HOW COULD THEY BE THERE!

>>132522124
Interesting post. This has crossed my mind. I think it will depends the copy's attitude and if my compliance will make any difference to the driver being charged or not. Act like a dick and your buddy gets that ticket instead of a warning.

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>>132534759
>willing to bet
>not just bet straight away
you know its not true
i am sorry about your friend though i am not being an ass
but what does it have to do with what i was saying
and elaborate how to fix it from your point of view, without betting on anything about me pls its a discussion and i am sensitive

>>132535511
you are really going out of your way to defend the police. do you live in the US?

>>132535325
And that's bullshit, they only do it if they personally hate you and in my experience they never bothered me or even blamed me for anything. See >>132535511

>>132535511
>literally #notallcops
>never in the history of anything has a cop planted drugs or other incriminating evidence
>implying i'm stupid enough to keep drugs in my car

Jesus you're ignorant.

>>132535656
Nope, your police is great and needs to be like that with a country like yours.

>>132535686
>my experience
>flag

>>132527044
> rendition.jpg

>>132521789
The very fact that the state has got an armed militia to enforce their orders and taxes upon the population is the basis of the problem.

>>132535733
I never said that it's not impossible idiot. You're talking shit to the police like a bunch of pathetic niggers. And yes, there are people stupid enough to keep drugs in the car, junkies are not that bright when it comes to that. You're literally acting like a dindu.

>>132535842
>>132535686
Cops don't need to personally hate you to fuck with you. They just need to be bored, have quotas to meet or see that you have a higher than usual level of melanin.

You yourself admit that cops have never bothered you, and so you have no idea how cops actually operate.

And they operate like cunts.

Because cops ARE cunts.

>>132535884
>implying their cops are morally better

>>132536038
>you're a dindu, dindu nuffin, haha, nigger, how dare you respect our #boysinblue? #thinblueline

Neck yourself with some spaghetti, while you're at it.

>>132536057
Yeah sure, I bet you did something to piss them off.

>>132536203
>getting triggered by the word dindu

>>132535258
there's nothing stopping them from doing that either way. they can say they smell weed, giving them probable cause, search it without a warrant, and plant whatever they want.

but why would they? I'm a white man, I look respectable, and I'm polite. ultimately it's an odds game and frankly I'm more afraid of a nigger carjacking me than a suburbs cop risking everything to charge me with a misdemeanor.

>>132524546
>Demand they hire based on merit, and not color or gender
This is a problem, but not the entirety of it. Police departments are insanely nepotistic, if you don't have "an in" in the department, then "ya ain't gettin the fuck in" I have seen dozens of cases of C- teacher/econ/failed degree college students get hired over Grade A criminal justice degree students, just because the morons happen to have a daddy in the department.

I don't know how you fix this problem honestly, but until they manage to, you should expect an overabundance of 90 iq police who failed there original career plan are just cops because it's a safe unionized backup plan that gets them a gun, a car, and a license to fuck with people.

>>132536376
Don't listen to this idiot, he is probably a thug that got arrested for buying a bag of "flour" as he told the cops.

>>132536560
what? fuck you pastanigger I have never been charged with a drug related crime.

Do you always get asked for ID as a passenger in the US.
Is it a requirement to have your "papers" on you at all times?

>>132536824
Not you, the other guy.

There are real problems with law enforcement in America, but this blm shit has completely poisoned the well.

It varies state by state, in some states you are required to show id and in some you aren't; however, the cops will likely tell you that you have to regardless and threaten you with arrest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

Also cops kill way more fucking white people than blacks.

Anarchy?

>>132532259
>This is my entire point, cops shouldn't ask for a passenger ID ever.

Damn, how stupid or butt hurt are you idiots?! You're in a car with someone (driver or passenger) and you very likely could be looking at the same charges if only one does something stupid (drugs, illegal gun, solicitation, being/harboring a fugitive, and the list going on and on). Think twice before you enter someone's car or you offer anyone a ride.

I've been asked for ID while not driving a number of times, all legit:
1) Not wearing a seat belt (talked my way out of that).
2) Buddy was pealing out at a park where a lot of people smoke joints/drink.

I've also been a driver when a buddy had a restraining order while we crossed the border. Both of us were detained and my car was searched inside out.

Have never been asked otherwise.

>>132537111
>>132535377
Nice trips. Hit it on the head

>>132526254
They have no duty to provide you with their probable cause or your supposed crime. If they're arresting you they have probable cause.

>>132530767
>“The killer’s motives appear to be related to a dispute with Valerie, who was a former domestic partner.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/10/accused-texas-shooter-david-conley-had-troubled-past-with-victim/?utm_term=.1e036f6c7541
>the killer was a previous boyfriend of valerie
>had a child together
She got BLACKED, and then attacked.
/pol/ was right again

>>132537159
No, Order.

>>132536057
>Because cops ARE cunts.
No. This is because law allows them to been cunts. If entrapment was a illegal they would behave differently even if they were cunts.

>>132537374
Archived that
https://archive.is/IwSSN

>>132537242
No I am not required to have ID on me at all times, i am not even required to have my drivers license on me when driving but it is strongly recommended.

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>>132537242
The only time ive ever seen passengers get asked for ID here is when the dumbfucks have dutched the car.

Within 100 miles of the border, Border Patrol can demand ID. That includes 100 miles from a coastline. Not necessarily police, but a metric fuckton of people live within that zone.

>>132532597
is there anything worse that "hardcore" trash like this aus rotten, appalachian terror unit, and all the other folksy ska ahit?

why do cops insists on ID, what is it they want to do with it

>>132525486
I bring up the education threshold because of the correlation between education and less use of physical force and the need for law enforcement to be ushered into a more professional domain (more education = more pay = higher likelihood of recruiting more stable individuals).

I do agree it isn't a top priority necessarily, but those candidates who are most likely to be well versed in the law (or want to be) and most likely to use coercive verbal tactics vs going hands on, find little incentive to join a low paying job where most of their colleagues are... well ignorant.

>>132521789
You are required to have a license to drive on public roads. You agreed to this and signed a statement swearing as such when you got your license at the BMV.

Stop acting like a nigger, nigger. Crying about "muh rights" doesn't actually make them rights.

>>132522124
This is fine. There is no requirement to carry an ID on your person when not operating a motor vehicle. The cops can pack sand.

>>132521789
Copfag here, if you're in a vehicle that's being detained, you too are detained. In my state you don't have to show ID but we'll ask for it consensually. You are required to give your "true full name" when detained. I wouldn't push the issue if it was a petty violation and I ran into some sovereign cuckizen though. I'd still assume you're hiding warrants because that's always the case with people who won't give their name.

Traffic citations bringing the city money? That's lolzworthy. They pay me by the hour, I get overtime if I go to court, they pay the judge and court staff by the hour, and defensive driving course are subsidized by the city. Yet your ticket is like $100, lol I get paid minimum 3 hours OT for showing up at court and it doesn't even cover that. It cost US money to ticket you. I work in a broke ass red state so we don't even enforce traffic. We're on a skeleton crew 24/7, usually 6-8 cops per 20 square miles in the 6th largest city in the US. You better hope we're not tied up when you need us, but you get what you pay for when you don't want to pay taxes.

Again we don't do traffic here (unless you do something egregious, which happens often, I'm willing to bet we have the worst drivers in the country, but like I said we don't enforce traffic laws so don't wonder why everyone drives like a retard and crashes into you). We hop call to call dealing with real shit, shit that may come to your doorstep one day and you might realize what needing us actually means. I understand you're fighting age males and nothing can hurt you, just think of us as backup for when shit gets too real. Most people that hate us are bad drivers or edgy kids. The rest have reason to hate us, like spics and niggers who can't have the savage society they want because we stand in the way. It is in fact us, people taking direct action, who stand in their way. Not passive cucks like you complaining on the internet about your society turning into a third world hellhole.

>>132534689
If you live in a cuck state like I did, the State Truppen are merely muscle for your state AG. The county sheriff is elected, therefore he and his deputies are accountable for their actions (in theory, our police union was pretty weak). My old sheriff was my hero back in the day: Old school clansman, Used to run out state troopers whenever he saw them on his territory, never hastled a hard working straight up man. After he retired the whole placed turned into a drug addled hell (highest violent crime rate per capita in the state, a state that includes Baltimore) the county council just handed over the keys to the Maryland State Truppen who are essentially fascist bullies serving a far away liberal elite.

>>132532899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-32-m0_-Sg&t=73s

>haha niggers so dumb just do what police say
>of course I would never let an officer see my ID if I was a passenger

>>132526643
>protocol for cops is to literally attempt to escalate every traffic stop into a DUI arrest or a drug possession arrest
Hahaha total bullshit

>>132539607

It's against the law to claim to be a police officer if you're not one.

I never believe any faggot on here when he says he's a cop. Cops work what... 40 or more hours per week? When I had a full time job I rarely ever posted on 4chan. Full time employment doesn't leave much free time for people.

I think you're full of shit.

>Most people that hate us are bad drivers or edgy kids.

Everyone *should* hate the police. They're people who will come arrest you or beat if you if you ever break the law. It doesn't make any sense for someone to like the police, it'd be like a mouse liking a cat.

I think the police in America are massive faggots and I'm glad whenever I hear on the News something bad happens to them hahaha.

>>132535886
kek

>>132535627
>Act like a dick
>Get ticket

This is also true. What I want a traffic stop to be is a "learning experience." That's stressed a lot in our training. If you at least act like you understand what you did was wrong, I'm likely not to ticket you because
A) I fucking hate getting called into court on my days off
B) my sergeant/squad hates when I get taken off the streets to go to court, because there's more calls holding they end up having to deal with (again we're on a skeleton crew as it is)
C) my department hates having to pay me overtime (pretty much all departments are underfunded)
D) I FUCKING HATE PAPERWORK GOD DAMN IT

The same goes for arresting people. Not one single officer I know actually likes arresting people. We'll overlook a lot of shit (again if it's not egregious) or CLD you instead (write a citation with your court date and release you instead of booking). On average a booking takes about 3 hours, and you're writing the booking paperwork and police report that entire time. Shits tedious and time consuming as fuck, we're not trying to book people on petty shit. Most the people I arrest and actually book are drug addicted literal turds or shithead gangbangers that I don't want on the streets because I know they'll turn the next corner and cause more problems.

>>132540543
Lol yeah there should be no law enforcement

Anarchy is literally perfect

SOVEREIGN

>>132528774
This anon is right.
Cops are one(read as 1) of the biggest criminals in every government(worldwide), followed by judges, district attorneys and politicians. Why? You ask, because they are the enforcers of the corruption that the others promote.

I'd trust any other civilian criminal over a cop, and that's why they (government agents, media) hate united communities, break up families, and promote distrust of your fellow citizens in the media, because if they didn't do that, WE would be able to see clearly who the enemy is.

>>132540543
Why is it every time I reveal my job everyone calls BS? I'm a cop, it's a typical city job that a lot of people do. There are literally millions of them in the country, how can you assume you'll never run into one? I'm not some fucking celebrity, I'm a glorified shitbag wrangler. I'm no better than the city trash man, and I've probably smelled worse things than him (you'd know what I mean if you've ever searched a hobos shoes).

>it'd be like a mouse liking a cat.
This is EXACTLY the sort of mentality I had when I was an edgy teen. I hated cops because fuck them, I'm the toughest motherfucker what's in charge. Admit it brah, you're intimidated. You don't like them in the same way you don't like the most ripped dude in the gym. I don't blame you, this is a normal psychological occurrence and like I said I was the same way. It kind of gives me a unique perspective because I never thought cops were tough shit when I was a kid, so I don't think of myself as tough shit now. There are some dick cops out there that make their decisions based on their ego though, I'm not one and I fucking hate those needledicks. They make me look bad when all I want legitimately is to protect people who can't protect themselves.

>>132529311
>driving is travelling
There are no magic words. Soveriegn citizenship us literally a cargo cult.

>>132529020
>>132529020
>Driving is a privilege not a right.
Boy, I've got bad news for you.

>inb4; did you just assume my gender

>>132532206
I'm amazed that this idea is lost to so many people itt

>>132541425
>they are the enforcers of the corruption that the others promote.

>Arrests armed robber/home invader/murderer/etc
>FUCKING CORRUPT PIGZ ANARCHYYYYY!!!!!!

>>132521789
'Here you go officer.' Its good being white.

>>132541756
Because the clearance rates are SO high

>>132541436

Because you're on fuckin' 4chan. People lie on here all the time.

Post a fuckin' pay stub or something with personal information edited out. Then I'll believe you.

You expect me to just take your word for it? Dude when I had a full time job I never posted on 4chan. It leaves like no fuckin' free time. You get off work and you need to get a bite to eat and then hit the hay. You don't have time to dick around online if you work 40 or more hours per week.

>This is EXACTLY the sort of mentality I had when I was an edgy teen. I hated cops because fuck them, I'm the toughest motherfucker what's in charge. Admit it brah, you're intimidated.

Doesn't matter what I think.

I'm telling the truth: people shouldn't like police. They're not meant to be liked. They're people who will come arrest you and maybe even beat you if you ever break the law. A civilian liking them is like a mouse liking a cat. It doesn't make sense given the social dynamics involved.

>>132539524
What about the Patriot act? I remember that included a federal requirement for ID for persons above 18 when out in public. Does no one remember this? Maybe I'm an oldfag, but I remember the patriot act has something in it about ID and local police after 9/11 would generally say stuff like "patriot act" when they became more insistent on ID.

>>132532482
>>132532482
>the lolbertarians and sovereign citizen are back

>The true freedom fighters of sovereign right have return, arise with great cheer my brothers, for the time has come to take back what was stolen from us.
ftfy

>>132532526
>it's illegal for you, the average citizen to read the wiki leaks, but not for us
The brainwashing is real

>>132542260
dude it was in the patriot act. yes it may be a violation of the 4th amendment, but its in the patriot act. you're not supposed to be without ID in america post 9/11. this should be kind of a known thing. did it expire? was it knocked down by a court ruling? i'm not sure, but i remember it was generally what cops said around the time and it was in the news too.

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>>132541436
Fellow Copfag here. You just need to give up.
I obviously refuse to dox myself, but I've gone so far in previous threads to show the outline of my badge and retrieve every item requested.
And they still told me I was full of shit and larping.

>>132521789
>If you don't have anything to worry about just let me check your ID
If you don't have any cause to do so, you're not checking my ID

>I want to know if you're a criminal or not
Then perhaps you should begin by investigating reported crimes

>we can do this the easy way or the hard way
We can do this the easy way, or the way that costs you your job and the city millions of dollars

>>132536057
t.nigger

>>132542049
Replying via satellite from the compound innamountains. .45 Auto on my hip, fishing pole in my lap, and the hermit thrushes are starting to sing. Only time cops come around here is to start shit.

>>132542493
so can you answer us, is it generally seen as a patriot act thing? state law? federal law? both? neither? what is the ID requirement for walking down the street or being a passenger. (don't dox yourself, i mean generally, you dont have to say which state)

>>132541993
>I'm telling the truth: people shouldn't like police. They're not meant to be liked. They're people who will come arrest you and maybe even beat you if you ever break the law. A civilian liking them is like a mouse liking a cat. It doesn't make sense given the social dynamics involved.

cops are police preserving law and order. remain calm and be respectful of what they represent and no one will beat you.

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>>132542493
If only every cop browsed /pol/.

>>132542666
spooky digits, also sounds very comfy.

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>>132521789
why not just comply with the officer and not be a bitch about MAH RIGHTS!

imagine if you have done a job, and the person just refuse to pay you, "can you prove i hired you to do this job" just making your job even shittier

>>132542832
everyone would get arrested

>>132542944
It sure is comfy, being landed is the only way to be. Jefferson was right, as always.

>>132542819
this bootlicker

>>132542493
Understand that struggle, but honestly, do you think cops intimidate people to "consensually" giving up their ID and other things of the like? I'm genuinely interested from a cops perspective. I see it as a waste of my time personally, and I want no more interaction with a cop than I have to have. There absolutely no upside to it from my perspective

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>>132542758
I don't have a solid answer for you unfortunately because it happens so rarely thst someone tells me to go fuck myself when asking for ID.
Per state law a driver of a vehicle is required to present me with a license on demand, but beyond that I'm not sure.

In two years I've only had two people refuse to identify themselves.
One was caught shoplifting, so I informed him I'd take him to jail on a John doe warrant and he could sit there until hell froze over or be told booking his name. Or he could just tell me and I'd cite him and release him.
The other one knew he had warrants and refused to tell me his name. With him it was just song and dance until I had back up and put him in cuffs. Generally people provide their information upon request and I never push the matter unless it's relevant to an investigation.

>>132521789
>Be me
>Be last night
>4th of july
>Had 3-4 beers with buddies
>Drive them home
>Make what I thought was right on red
>Officer pulls me over
>Tell him what I was doing
>Show him my license
>tells me due to the fact that its the holiday we are trying to catch as many drunk drivers as possible
>I fully understand officer
>breathalyzes me
>like a .10
>could get a citation but officer makes me take a sobriety test
>Pass cause I wasnt drunk
>asks to search car
>Nothing to hide and Im not gonna be a faggot and scream no warrant
>finds nothing cause I have nothing
>lets me go since Im clearly sober and it was an honest mistake with the right on red

How about instead of being fucking fags and arguing with cops, who probably hates getting payed 75k a year, you do what they tell you to do and things go smoother.

>>132543255
He was right about everything but niggers. I can't understand why anyone would want to fuck a black, unless they're *at least* half white. Then I get it, especially if they're hot. But even then... jungle fever, wtf? I personally prefer the ponies (not real life, cartoon ones) i'm basically a horsefucker. there are actually girls in the fandom, but they're mostly emotionally damaged. Psycho white girls, yes. Brown and black bitches? No way. But hey maybe I'm not the right person to ask, being a nazi horsefucker (brony).

>>132521789
American cops will never ask a passenger for ID, unless you fucking did something wrong.

>>132543534
Do you have a small dick and so you need to act like tough cop?

>>132539607
I carry my I.D. with me at all time but i refuse to get cucked by some faggot with a badge. Seems so got damn retarded when I get stopped over "fluctuations on my insurance" because i drive a car thats beat to shit. Police are just cucks who have to cuck other people to forget that they too are getting cucked by the people ahead of them who they are actually protection. Its fucking cuckception and the only one who has any real recourse to this shit is actual Citizens who by and large do nothing to them.

>>132539607
until recently I taught in an inner city school. I have a new appreciation for police now. if it wasn't for you guys we would descend into the kind of savage society that many poor black people would create, on a larger scale already. I get happy knowing that some people are still fighting for order against the dark masses that hate us and would usurp us given the chance.

>>132543424
I'm late to the thread but this must be an ongoing theme. I never ask people for ID unless I have a valid reason to.
And in that case the quicker you can prove to me you're not involved in whatever bullshit I got sent to the faster I'll tell you to have a good day and leave

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>>132543964
My dick is average size but I can cum multiple times on one rod. Shit is sooo cash.

>>132543707
where do you live? in missouri cops start at $34,000 and unless you climb up you top out around 50k

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>>132529568
This. Look like someone who pays taxes and you don't have these issues :^)

>>132543534
Yea as far as I know there was the patriot act thing, which may have been ruled unconstitutional. In the early 2000s it was made clear on TV that ID was required at all times for all adults in post 9/11 america. I personally don't have a problem with this, especially considering how useful this could be in dealing with all sorts of crime, being able to stop and detain people for not having ID. As an authoritarian and for crime stats, I'm for ID requirements and ID laws.

Wow that was nice you just cited the shoplifter. I would imagine that when you encounter a person that refuses or cannot ID themselves, they're either mentally ill or have some degree of criminality. Maybe I'm too skeptical. FYI, I generally like cops, maybe I've been lucky and only had good interactions that is why. Supposedly our cops are kind of racist, but I doubt it. LA Sheriffs are supposedly way worse (Orange County, California)

>>132543986
>>132543986
>whom they are actually protecting
Too much drink

>>132524546

To which the state legislator will respond by asking his 22-year-old aide, "how much in campaign contributions have I gotten from this guy?"

To which he will respond, "none sir." And that will be the end of that.

Accordingly, the city officials will look up how much you pay in taxes, and upon seeing that you actually take government assistance and pay no taxes whatsoever, they will also promptly close the case and move on with their lives.

>>132544103
>you can prove
>cops don't know about presumption of innocence
>cops pretend they """defend the law and order"""

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>>132521789
Stop doing crimes, nigger

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>>132521789
>>132526254
>>132526592

>>132543986
>fluctuations on my insurance

what

>>132544270
I pay my taxes and still get cucked by police because i drive a shit car. Regardless of this, seems ridiculous that we have to provide identity just because some cuck with a gun asked me too

>>132544263
in California places like Oakland they its over $90,000 starting. I think police salaries generally have to do with the cost of real estate in the area. California cops get paid so much, property tax revenue I guess?

>>132544204
What is your secret? Are you gay? I thought the only way for men to have multiple orgasms was through sodomy. The refractory period post-ejaculation cannot be defied... prolactin gets released in males post orgasm generally killing their boner.

>>132544263
Westchester County NY. one of the richest counties in america

>>132544561
Stop driving a nigger mobile :^)

>>132544518
ive been pulled over because officer shills cant read insurance information on my car while running my plates and chalked it up to "Fluctuations on my insurance" and figured i didnt have any on my car.

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>>132544414
Drink some fucking bleach.
I'm not proofreading my posts to make sure they reflect "innocent until proven guilty" this is fucking 4chan

>>132544414
Tbf to the police, if they get sent to a certain area with a certain description, and you match that description, but can prove you aren't that person, I'm not necessairly against that. That is up to the individual, and I'm not a lawyer but I can understand both sides. As a passenger in a vehicle pulled over for a minor traffic violation though, cops asking for my ID can fuck off. This had happened at least the past two times I've been pulled over as a passenger. I live in oklahoma and I think they are training local and county cops to do this shit imo

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>>132544611
Probably years of death grip and newgrounds porn games

>>132544955
so are you a furry? weeaboo? horsefucker? into monstergirls? whats your damage? i don't know much about newgrounds.

>>132543986
>but i refuse to get cucked by some faggot with a badge
So you just refuse to identify yourself and get arrested for resisting everytime you're pulled over?

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>>132521789
>How do we combat this /pol/?

>>132545354
>arrested
>for resisting
Which came first, the resisting or the arrest?

You can't get arrested for not having ID

>>132521789
Once when I was a doe-eyed libertarian, I too believed this was a rights thing. Now I see that it's another of our many, very effective, nigger filtration mechanisms. Show the good policeman your ID.

if i forget it i just tell them to look me up in their computer theyve never given me a hard time for it

>>132545150
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>>132521789
>Break law
>MUH RIGHTS

Most criminals who break laws do it more than once. Just give your ID up if you are in the wrong.

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>police are dicks who abuse their power
>unless they shot a darkie then they were asking for it

>>132521789
US Police are trained to put their hand on the trunk of a car they pull over to leave a smudge and hope the trunk is unlocked/will open so they can inspect it without having to lie about probable cause.

They lie and say it's for their safety to leave a handprint but we all know in the cellphone and camera era this is pure grade A horseshit.

>>132543424
If you're being detained for a crime, which means I have reasonable suspicion to believe you were involved with a crime, you must provide your "true full name." You can be arrested and charged if you don't, but most likely we'll take you to the station and fingerprint you to find out who you are. If no prints are on file then I'd probably charge you for it. But I wouldn't go so far as to push the issue of getting your name if it was determined you weren't involved in the crime, even though technically you still broke a law.

You are required to comply with the investigation of a crime, or typically you're just getting yourself more charges. This is the way it works on a civilized society where justice exists. Deal with it. We're not out to get you, we're out to get piece of shit criminals. Unless... you are a criminal. Some officers may assume this of you show stubbornness to give them your name for no apparent reason. As I said, most people that do that are trying to hide warrants.

Yes they may be pushy to get you to consent to giving your name. Nothing in policy says I can't keep asking you questions ten different ways (unless you're in custody in which case Miranda applies). We can't force you to respond to anything, you have the right to remain silent, but you do have to identify yourself. I don't know of any state where you don't have to identify yourself when being detained. There are even commie states where you're required to carry and show ID.

>>132545535
In Florida it's just called resisting an officer, and you can be arrested for refusing to identify yourself when detained.

>>132546728
I understand that, the question becomes whether a passenger in a traffic stop is considered "detained" in the sense that the passenger is under investigation for a crime. Now under certain circumstances this very well may be the case, but if it is a minor traffic violation, a cop has absolutely no reason to ask for my ID. If i am not under detainment for reasonable suspicion of a crime, I am not even compelled to give my name. I am a non factor in a minor traffic stop.

This is my beef, and it's happening to me more often, when I'd rather be down the road with no more interaction with a cop than I have to have

>>132546330
>>unless they shot a darkie then they were asking for it
This denies the pleasure of shooting darkie from citizens. Dicks.

>>132543986
This sounds like a personal issue you're having. We're not out to cuck anyone but shitbag who legitimately victimize others. Or maybe you live in a commie state, don't expect me to apologize on their behalf, I don't like commie cops either.

>>132544049
I never saw so much support until I transferred over to a big city. It seems like half the population loves you because they actually see the work you do in keeping the shitbags at bay (typically white working clsss people), then the other half is shitbags who hate you (typically brown people who don't work). In suburban areas everyone hates you because there's little actual crime so you mostly do traffic stops which apparently make shitty drivers feel victimized.

>>132544762
Sounds like you were driving while MI suspended. Means you didn't pay your insurance and are therefore driving with suspended plates. Sometimes the companies fuck up and inform MVD you haven't payed when you already made up a late payment. I always call the insurance company to make sure because they seem to fuck up a lot.

Pay your fucking bills. Hating police because you drive like shit and can't be bothered to insure yourself in case you crash and destroy someone else's property is fucking petty.

>>132521789
This is an American only problem.
Not having IDs on you is illegal everywhere else.

>got stopped
>no driving licence
>not even basic id
Fuck off.

Saged

>>132530823
Worst thing about BLM is they force people to side with corrupt pigs who think they are automatic heros for getting a badge.

>>132544462
>Only good cop is a dead cop
>Has never killed anything in his life
>Soft facial features, emaciated arms, low test, couldn't even win a fist fight
>Tries to look hard through fashion and angry looks during photoshoots
>Listens to hardcore punx rock, aka degenerate pleb music

>>132548271
Fucking this so hard. Burgers and my fellow leafs to a certain extent have no idea how free they are compared to the rest of the first world when it comes to stuff like this. To an extent it makes you seem like a spoiled brat when you complain about things like this

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>>132548354
>Implying Nick Cave is a pleb
>Being this much of a pleb
SAD!

>>132539607
>>132540651
>>132541436
>>132541756
>>132546728
>>132547942
>>132548354
I like you

/pol/ seems to either ignore the fact that plenty cops are idiots, or ignore the fact that plenty of cops are rational people. God forbid you acknowledge both, you have to ignore one.

>>132528896

>California

O' I see
A commie fag
I request thee
Release my flag

>>132544386

The only thing legislators care more about than money is votes. If you can prove that lots of people feel strongly about (X) issue it's easy to get legislators to do stuff. You think MADD got those laws passed with money?

Dont listen to the fake cop in this thread. You usually only have to show ID if they have reasonable suspicion that you have or are about to commit a crime. Detaining means nothing because they can detain you for no reason. They need a reasonable cause. Even if you are stopped at a DUI checkpoint you don't have to show ID because there's no reason to stop you. And DUI stops are pretty unconstitutional btw, especially if they detain you for no reason.

>>132544386

I lol'd.

>>132545535
>Arresting for resisting arrest

I thought this was BS too until I was taught what "investigative detention" was. As I said before, you must comply with a lawful investigation. An officer can place you in handcuffs while you're detained, having reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in a crime. If you resist the detention, you've broken the law. Continued resistance is now resisting arrest.

Typically someone who resists arrest is getting that charge thrown onto whatever charge they were originally being arrested for. Most people will tense their arms which is technically resistance under our state law, but I don't charge it unless it's to an unreasonable degree. I understand if you flip out because you're being arrested, but there's a difference between having a hissy fit and turning around and punching me in the face... or the dick. It was a bad day for that guy.

>>132526643
Your B is wrong and A is only true 50% of the time

t.Internal Affairs

>>132548354
Nick Cave is post-punk, you cop poser

>>132548352
>Worst thing about BLM is they force people to side with [police]
I agree totally. Bad shoots are a real problem, and the impunity of officers that do bad shoots is a bigger one. If it wasn't for shithead BLM niggers making this issue all about them, we could be getting laws to reduce the scope of "qualified immunity". But no, we can't have nice things. Because niggers.

>>132543707
Faggot for stopping for pig. Only niggers get caught running.

>>132538733
Not anymore, the SJWs took over and shat out antifa

>>132545535
>You can't get arrested for not having ID

You mean driving without a license? Uh...

Typically if you give us your name (which you don't seem to want to do, because apparently giving your name is equivalent to being cuckolded) we can pull up your MVD record and see that you have a driver license. It's reasonable to forget your license at home so I'm not going to make a big deal over it so long as you're actually licensed, insured, and registered. Your name is also tied to your license plate, running the plate gives me the vehicle registration and owner's ID. So the most you can get away with is driving without a license or registration, so long as everything is valid in our system. You need that insurance card though and it should have the right dates or you're going to have to go online on your phone or call to prove you have it. This is why we have that MI suspension system you complained about earlier, so we know who's driving uninsured.

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hey /pol/,

is it worth doxxing Hanassholesolo just to show CNN what their threats mean?

>>132547577
You're going to have to talk to your legislature about that one. iirc it's a federal case law that allows us to detain passengers, the reason being that a traffic stop is considered a full investigation just like with any other crime. You were in the area of the crime when it occurred, you were in direct association with the violator, and it's an investigation to determine whether or not there is another crime also occuring.

You may not have to show ID, unless that's the requirement in your state (mine is just "true full name"). Typically they'd be fine with name and date of birth, that way we don't have to look through everyone with your first and last name until we find your picture. It's basically just for the purpose of checking for warrants AND in case you decide to pull out a fucking AK and blast the officer while he's running the driver, that way we know who else was in the vehicle before it took off. Or in case you decide to take off and run while the driver is being run, and later we find a little girl in the trunk that both of you just raped. Do you see the reasoning here? The US has such reasonable laws yet people still complain. Geez.

>>132548776
I do it for the (you)s :3

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>never commit a crime
>never drink and drive
>doesn't do drugs
>owns an Id like a everyone else
>never get pulled over
Strange I wounder why that is, is it because i'm white?

>>132551039
do it fgt!!!!11!!!1

>>132549866
You're either a shitty troll or a literal retarded cop (which wouldn't surprise me). I've only mentioned "as a passenger" like 20 times throughout the thread. Answer the question or fuck off back to wrangling niggers for shit pay

>>132551221
I agree it is bullshit to ask for passenger ID. I figure this is only done when the cop has profiled you as trouble. I can see why this is a problem if it is a non-white cop or a white cop that views you as a threat just like Jamal. I personally don't mind showing my ID, but for libertarians and such I can see how it is a nightmare.

>>132521789
>How do we combat this /pol/? Do we have to start being dicks to cops and flexing our God given rights? What are some of our legitimate options in these scenarios?

When God given rights are known to be used by the sword bearer, I say don't fight fire if you feel any, with what, your own kindle? But I also say, what manner of law is against thee if the law of God is above it? So in Jesus we do abide by the natural laws of morality.

>>132551452
i keep hearing from tin-foilers that he is a plant. i don't believe he is a plant, but i do believe he is not one of us. he sounds like way too much of a normie. first of all, star wars. and actually more importantly, reddit. most of all, he apologized. so... why not make an example of an apologist? We must show that strength is the answer.

>>132521789
sucks to be a burger bro
>be australian
>drive everyday as a job (delivery driver)
>only time been pulled over is driving out of a mates house at 2am as no other cars on the road
>be nice and talk to police
>they talk about how i was only pulled over because only car on the road, but im clearly not the guy they were looking for
>check news later and find out its some ice head who the police actually know but the judges keep letting him out on good behavior
>murders his girlfriend who i use to work with years back
>oh shit not a good ending

>>132549150
>Detaining means nothing because they can detain you for no reason.
Not true, I can lose my job for that and possibly be charged with kidnapping or assault (it's assault in my state to intimidate someone into staying in one place). It could also result in a civil lawsuit and I'd almost certainly lose if you can prove I had no reason to detain you. We don't do that shit, seriously I'm not out to harass people. This isn't goddamn 1984, it's the glorious United States of America where every man is guaranteed life and liberty (except niggers).

As I said before and this is the /thread:
>Case law exists saying you have to show ID as the passenger
>It's a FULL investigation, you are a part of the violation and therefore also detained
>as the passenger you could shoot the officer as he's walking away and get away without being ID'd
>or you could take off running and then a dead body/drugs are found in the trunk that you're responsible for, and you get away without being ID'd

A police force has no reason to even exist, at least not in low population density regions that are majority white.

>>132537328
Then how do cops arrest people with just "resisting arrest" being the charges?

>>132552149
Yeah enough of your bullshit. There are thousands of videos on YouTube where some cop detains some dude standing on the sidewalk taking pictures or whatever, for literally no reason. They don't show ID and eventually the cops leave. And a passenger doesnt have to show ID unless they commit a crime.

>>132529020
This isn't about the driver, but about the passenger in the car. This is equivalent to "papieren, bitte" if you were walking on the street or riding the bus.

>>132549150
in California they call our checkpoints DUI and ID checkpoints. they say they will not report to immigration but that they need to have a valid california driver license, otherwise they impound the car and issue a citation right there (assuming you don't have a passenger to drive)

>>132553082
yes, and i am saying that part of the patriot act was that this was now legal at the federal level, that any police officer can demand ID and that it was now a crime to be outside without ID.

>>132540834
Nope. But it's better than killing people over running a stoplight.

>>132553203
Yeah well that sounds extremely unconstitutional and not real, but it is California.

>>132552845
Source?

>>132541756
Cops engage in extortion (fines), kidnapping, home invasion (a piece of paper doesn't change the fact that you're kicking in someone's doors with guns) and extrajudicial killings ( in fear for my life! He had a lighter!)

>>132521789
I'm a sovereign citizen

>>132527183
No you are wrong. I live in a white area so relatively white teens and sketchier than white adults and this happens many times.

>>132541823
Whites are more likely to be killed in a police interaction than niggers.

>>132521789
The passenger doesn't need ID. Only driver so they can identify and ticket the correct person.

You used to not need ID in the USA but fucking mexicans and other foreigners ruined it for us.

>>132553736
>Fellow free man
>Also sports the environmentalist flag
My melanin enriched companion

>>132553704
Search for "first ammendment check/audit " or something like that. A lot of autists on YouTube are doing shit like that to police.

>>132542819
The Bolsheviks are just preserving law and order. Hand over your papers, be polite and respectful, and you'll be fine comrade.

>>132552845
Talking to someone isn't detaining them, that's called a consensual contact. If the guy is insistent on standing there taking pictures, he's the one not leaving. The problem lies in "implied detention" which is why don't tread on me LARPers always ask "AM I BEING DETAINED" because we can't say yes if there's no reasonable suspicion.

>>132551617
They don't have to show ID after all. OP can look up "Stufflebeam v Harris" and revel in his victory. I'll chalk this one up to poor training, again you get what you pay for. I still think it's reasonable to identify passengers and will continue to ask though.

>>132542947
Yes you can prove you hired someone. That's what employment contracts are for. Also, you don't get to kidnap or kill someone for arguing about their pay.

>>132548546
>>132548271
The problem with Europe is that it is never enforced. We could start deporting all our illegal immigrants if police started with the "Papieren, bitte" line

>>132552245
I stated above >>132549284

Resisting detention is against the law. If you resist detention you're under arrest for breaking that law. An officer can place you in handcuffs while you're being detained under certain circumstances, most people will begin to resist at this point thinking they're under arrest when they're not.

>>132545354
Getting arrested for resisting arrest only. What Stalin Secret Police kind of bullshit is that? Fire up the fucking helicopter

>>132535656
I won't defend the police, but is better not to mess with them.
btw, when I was learning to drive, the instructor told me to greet them by their name if I was pulled over. Then I can get them into real trouble if they want some shit.
Also knowing your rights makes things easier. For example using >>132534928 really helps.
If shit happened >>132530105 that'll help until you contact your lawyer.

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