>wake up in a communist society >Sunlight streams through

>>132364488
>wake up in communist society
>sunlight comes through my window in government ordained bands filtered with government issue lighting blinds because glorious leader knows how much we need in the morning
>try to get out of bed and greet my co-workers who live with me in my government approved co-habitation and proper space utilization quarters.
>One of them says to me, hey comrade, get to work, the union boss decided while you were sleeping the rice paddy is to be worked earlier today, and you better get there before I reveal how you are hurting the motherland!
>walk down the street, they are empty, everyone already at work or have been rounded up to be taken to the re-education facility.
>Building with free food and goods has nothing in it, surely already distributed in the fairest of ways
>Pass by the library with the glorious leader's best works and nothing else
>policeman stop me as they see me
>ask to see my papers
>he arrests me for being late to work
>on ride to reeducation camp staring at a picture in the back of glorious leader standing on the back of marx
>tear up.

File: HAHAHAHHAAHA.jpg (52KB, 287x174px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 287x174px

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132364488
>>you walk down the street and notice that many of the large mansions have been turned into apartments for the poor
if jobs and classes have been abolished and everything is free how can there still be poor people?
checkmate commiecumstain

>>132365340
*slow clap*

>>132365340
There is no state in communist land.

>>132365447
Venezuela has many capitalist company's and was brought down by a fall in oil prices in which the econemy relied on.

>>132366111
Sorry my bad.

File: 1498456194131.jpg (24KB, 401x372px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 401x372px

>>132364488
no.

>>132364488

>wake up, stomach is rumbling
>grey outside, lack of color anywhere
>grab some government-issue bland coffee, black
>grab a bread, look at it, 2 moldy slices
>grab generic, low quality black shoes, put them on along with wool-coat
>get in low-quality generic car, painted grey
>drive to generic general store
>line out the door, people standing in line, no smiles
>no one is talking, afraid to speak their minds as there are spies everywhere
>cameras watch from atop street-lamps
>soldiers march in the streets, eying the line
>2 workers man the store, pace is slow, no incentive to work hard
>get to front of the line, suddenly workers tell us they are going on mandatory 1 hour break, "closing store, come back in 1 hour comrade"
>No bread for me this morning, but now I must go on my shift
>Go to work hungry and sad
>Such is life under communism

>>132364488
So you dont need to work but some people do and you are both entitled to the same?
Do i really need to tell you why this is a bad idea?

>>132366998
No one has to work. The person is just telling you your job has been automated so you shouldn't come because there will be nothing to do.
>people won't work unless forced
No one wants to be worthless to society and everyone has some type of passion or job they would want to voluntarily do so some people will work and automation will do the rest.

File: 9034455.gif (165KB, 200x174px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 200x174px

>>132365340
First post, best post.

>>132367264

lol that's rich. Please cite me examples of this being the case in your glorious communist utopias from the past and present.

Hell, we have people in this country who would rather sit at home and collect benefits rather than go out and work.

>> Wake up in Communist Society
>> The only warmth is sun flowing through ratty curtains
>> Kiss wife and kids on head; they'd froze to death in the night
>> Not enough work credits for fuel to light kerosene heater
>> Not enough work credits for food
>> Mandatory National pride day
>> Going to be a big parade on the street
>> She always liked the parades
>> Climb fire escape to roof
>> Oh look, honey, here comes the Mayor's car
>> Watch it get closer
>> Take a step
>> ...

>>132366922
Fucking this. KYS commie scum. Ban and burn all commies.

/thread

>>132367626
>Hell, we have people in this country who would rather sit at home and collect benefits rather than go out and work.
They live in capitalism where they are forced to specialize so much that they no longer feel any attachment to the labor they used to enjoy. Or they hate their job.

>lol that's rich. Please cite me examples of this being the case in your glorious communist utopias from the past and present.
Never happened because the dialetics have never been right. Capitalism has never collapsed world wide and been overthrown by the unorganized proletariat. It will happen someday though.

>>132367264
Oh it appears that you are actually serious
Automation can only do a handful of jobs (mainly manufacturing)and even then they still need constant maintainance from humans.What if nobody has a "passion" for cleaning shit out blocked sewers? i guess well just leave that then

>wake up in communist society
>gulag cot is freezing
>foot rotting off from gangrene
>camp guard warms you up by pissing in your face
>stumble into the snow
>work 12 hours shoveling coal
>Chinese Cheka detachment arrives
>beats you for not working hard enough
>drives a metallic pipe into your abdomen
>shoves rat into pipe
>rat devours your organs in attempt to escape
>die painfully with no comfort of God

>>132364488
>communism
>good

14/88

>>132367264
>No one wants to be worthless to society
Yet here you are...

>>132367952
>Collecting benefits is capitalism
Kek. You have no idea what capitalism is.

>Forced to specialize
No one is forced in a capitalist society. Forced labor is communist. You've just described the results of your "ideal" society.

>>132367264
>people don't want to be useless to society
>everyone will work for free with no incentive

HAHAHAHAHAHA

> Wake up in communist society
> It's cold...it's always so cold...why's it so cold.
> Stumble out into gray hazed daylight
> Police officer demands I show papers
> Fumble in pockets
> Accidently drop small, tattered pocket, bible that grandmother gave me
> Can't read it, literacy is only for the party elite, but keep it for sentimental reason
> "Reeeeee!!!!" Officer shrieks as he reaches for his gun.
> Is that thunder I hear?
> Fall the the pavement
> Why can't I get up?
> Feel...warm in my stomach
> Officer curled up sidewalk, rocking back and forth
> I hope he's okay
> Start feeling cold again
> Reach out for officer, want to make sure he's okay
> Hand can only reach bible
> Reeeeee!!!
> Is that thund....

File: images.jpg (6KB, 200x252px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 200x252px

>>132364488
>>132367264
>No one has to work
>"Hey comrade! No need to come to work today your jobs been automated! have fun with your free time!"

Fuck off, work is the only real thing, work liberates and defines a man. Without work we are nothing, utterly purposeless. None would want to be rendered useless because a robot took his job even if you give them all the wealth in the world

Fuck off lazy bum, Marx would spit in your face

>>132364488
The only problem is motivation. Most people ultimately need materialism for that. Also, even with more economic equality, people will still be genetically and socially unequal. On the previous assertion, the only way to get rid of materialists is Bolshevism, which is a crime against humanity.

>>132364488

> wake up in communist society
> smartph....

....aaaaand ya lost me.

>>132367952
>>132367264
>>132366281
>>132364488
You have to be the most retarded commie I have ever seen, you are the type of person that makes a bad name for us all. Because of people like you we are all regarded as useless lazy teens

Kill yourself

>>132369526
I think the "opensource" was the key thing, lad.

>>132367264
So like, what if someone genuinely is worthless. Let's say they lost all their limbs or are retarded. Do you make them useful by conducting human experimentation on them to give them worth, therefore making them worthy?

>it isn't that people want to be worthy for the commune, it is does the commune want people who are not worthy

>>132369171
Holly fuck. A 21th century commie that actually want to work and not just complain about the current system in his comfy middle class suburb? You must be a rarity.

>>132369531
The only good commie is a dead one, "comrade"

>>132366281
You are one dead white boy when the shit hits the fan.

>>132369987
Likely one dead white boy even before the shit hits the fans. Probably get given some diversity trying to help some youths.

>>132364488
You commies are such delusional Utopians.

>>132364488
>Get up in commie society
>Inhale polluted air coming from the factories because your glorious nation struggles to remain #56 producer of steel
>Go to work
>Everyone is drunk
>10% production efficiency
>After work stand in line for 4 hours to get some milk
>But they close before you get your turn
>feel disappointed
>sigh
>commisar appears
>"comrade I'm afraid we'll have to put you in gulag for criticizing the ruling party"
>die from starvation and exhaustion
>your last hought is "it was just state capitalism, real communism has never been tried"

>>132369807
Such things wouldn't exist, because scientific advancement would pull forward 100x fold

File: topkekhayek.png (255KB, 520x510px) Image search: [Google]

255KB, 520x510px

>commie greentext
>literally a fantasy where you don't get to work with no grounds on reality
mfw

File: 1494594259085.jpg (77KB, 750x390px) Image search: [Google]

77KB, 750x390px

>>132364488
https://vid.me/tkf4

>>132370586

lmfao what incentive is there for advancement? Science for science sake? You realize that in all examples of communist societies, things tend to stagnate right? Hell, the only reason USSR saw progress was to keep pace with America, right? And even there, in most areas USSR fell woefully behind. You are a typical, sad little college Commie. Don't worry comrade, you will grow out of it eventually.

>wake up
>go outside
>no niggers
>jews have no economic power left

All I need desu

>>132369830
90% of modern western commies are in it because of free gibs or they just don't want to work

That's not the point of communism and I honestly don't know where they got this idea from, no communist/marxist philosopher ever propagated a state where you don't work and just do whatever. Marx spent half of his life writing about worker alienation, the process where the worker becomes redundant and no longer can see himself as an active participant in his work.
You can even clearly see this bum is only in it because of "muhh work" as he states that other people work and make a society enjoyable while he masturbates to marx and does nothing. If you have no sense for the community and don't want to contribute and only want to be a lazy shit than you aren't a marxist but a hypocritical shithead

Our goals are not abolishment of work, we don't hate work, it is a very important and crucial part of everyone's life, we want to people to have more control over their work

>>132364488
>tfw commies who believe in automated communism dont realize Marx was literally an anprim

>>132370295
who isnt?

File: 993.gif (1MB, 800x667px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 800x667px

>>132369531
But you are useless lazy teens.

>>132371085
Yeah I'd agree, if we had full automation, everyone would just have no reason to live anymore. Still, as your point stands, 95% of commies are fucking dumb anyways.

Just like 95% of people

>>132371406
this too

>>132371023
The incentive is that they now have more control over their work, since they own all the tools they need to get shit done. No more crony capitalistic bureaucracy, they will become unobstructed. In addition to this, neighboring communes would be more likely to contribute than nations without the corrupter of currency.

Listen here porky, you better be afraid. Because when the workers stand up, it's going to be your head on the pike.

File: a9e.jpg (32KB, 453x500px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 453x500px

>>132371085
>That's not the point of communism and I honestly don't know where they got this idea from

>To each according to his needs and from each according to his ability
>the more useless you are the more you deserve stuff, even if you can't work on anything
>the more useful you are, the more you should carry others
>"b-b-but that's not the point of communism"
lol. Yes it is. Communism is about the fantasy of not having to live in a world where you have to work to survive. It's all what communism is about. Just look at OP's post.

>Our goals are not abolishment of work, we don't hate work, it is a very important and crucial part of everyone's life, we want to people to have more control over their work
Yes, when I think about controlling my workplace, I instantly think about a society where investing in the workplace is explicitly illegal and actually owning your workplace is illegal, where people who did not invest a dime can get all the investments you did in your workplace for free because otherwise it would be exploitation.

File: meme ball - adam and eve communists.jpg (41KB, 644x598px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 644x598px

>>132364488

>>132371406
I am not delusional, nor a utopian. I know what is realistic and what is feasible, and what these truly delusional fucktards don't realize is that we have a system here that could work better than their corrupted greed infested brainlet """ideology"""

>>132371623
You already said no state, so who is providing these resources? The automatrons? Who decides this is the best use of the automatrons time because you want to study the effects of shoving rocks up a monkeys ass?

>>132366281
>Venezuela has many capitalist company's

All subjected to the decisions of the central planner, including price controls. The government then dilutes the production by printing money for constant supply of "benefits" for the people, so benefits are only there if you're friend of the leader, basically, like in every other socialist regime ever.

If this is not an almost complete seizing of the means of production...

> and was brought down by a fall in oil prices in which the econemy relied on.

It's what happens when you try to control prices and avoid subjective value theories, that your economy tends to focus because people cba producing something else.

Dependency in oil is a direct consequence of socialism.

I always ask you commies and never get a straight answer, what would you have done differently? What exactly would be the steps you would have taken that wouldn't have ended with Venezuela being the shithole it is today?

>>132371673
I honestly don't think you know anything about communism outside of what your capitalist overlords told you. Like, everything in your post is wrong, I don't even know where to start.

>>132371085
Well I can only guess but I think these young people are communistic beacuse a, It's an alternative to the current system and b, beacuse in the west there is less blood in the hand sof the commust ideology. Look at Estern Europe for example. The complet oposite. The younger generations here are more intrested in right wing ideologies beacuse for the same reason the westerners are. Beacuse it's an alternative and their ancestor had to live throught the russian occupation and being a puppet state. And no matter how just as much unfair was their system before russian occupation it was THEIR system and had self defensive purposes ehrn the soviet russian decided to take Eastern Europe as a prize and attach them to their empire.
Hovewer I don't belive in communism and the main reason is that for beacuse it's ignore the nationalistic sense of different ethnic groups and likes to replace it with (to them) foregin ideologies and ideas when the tribalistic sense of belonging was always there since humanity existed.

>>132371854
The communes are providing the resources, which would be easy since we would be living in a post-scarcity society, and as such the building and sharing of automatons can be decided upon by a mutual vote between the people of the communes

>>132371673
>It's all what communism is about. Just look at OP's post

Circular logic intensifies


also:
"He who does not work, neither shall he eat" - Lenin

>>132371085

I'm going to extend to you an olive branch, because you, unlike 99.9999999% of communists, actually adhere to the core philosophy. It is still awful, but at least you understand what you are reading.

The problem with Marxism is, it is purely a fantasy, at best. This philosophy would only ever work in small communities, where there is a legit fear that you will be spotted and called out if you are not pulling your weight. Can you throw me a bone and tell me you understand how this cannot work in any sort of large modern country? Who is going to hold Joe, the guy living 2 blocks over, accountable if he is not bothering to contribute his fair share? How is Joe going to be held accountable? Joe isn't causing problems, he isn't hurting anyone, he pays his taxes, he just is a shit worker. Is someone picking up the slack? Or is it perhaps worse, Joe is calling in sick every Monday and every other Thursday. How do you fix this? Reeducation? reassignment? cut his food share? This, for me, is one of the fundamental failings of this philosophy.

Human society is too big, too unruly, people fall short. Capitalism solves this problem through Darwinism. If Joe sucks, Joe isn't going to be successful, and Joe will either have to adapt or parish in whatever way you imagine that to be. Meanwhile, it allows those of us who are smart, capable, and/or persistent to rise to the top and reap the benefits, there's incentive to do so, and there's incentive to create advancements because we will be rewarded for doing so.

What incentive is there in Marxism to strive to, say, create a better, more efficient car? 99% of the time, if humans don't get some sort of reward for it, they will keep trudging along doing the same thing that allows them to live an easy life, because it is easy. It's hard to think up the next big thing. The reason we do so in a capitalist society is that we get great rewards for doing so.

File: dda.jpg (4KB, 165x115px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 165x115px

>>132364488
Let me help you with your thought experiment.

We can agree that there's no such thing as a free lunch, correct? Things are atomically scarce. When you get something, it means other people didn't get. So in the end, by leaving you idling around, the system is reducing the potential wealth of incredibly smart people who are pretty much doing 99% of the work. Taking what you get and giving it to a smarter demographic so they can do more is in fact a possibility that would improve the lives of others.

Cutting to the chase, a moral subjectivist like you who is slightly smarter, instead of giving you free gibs for the rest of your life, would rather ship you to Siberia with a bucket of flour and let you starve to death. Just like it actually happened in real life.

>>132372205
I don't think Lenin's word is one that should be taken with anything more than a grain of salt. Honestly, his words don't account for the rise of the automaton which would replace the worker and allow them to do other things.

File: 2I0ilf.jpg (59KB, 485x480px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 485x480px

>>132372205
Remember when I cited the very core axionical belief of communism in my post? Just like any delusional commie, would literally avoid reading what people write to you in order to not suffer cognitive dissonance.
This might work on a plebbit community where everyone who has a mental age above 20 gets nearly insta banned, but in a place like here, it never will. People will not let you live in your own little bubble here, little kid.

>>132372075
>I don't belive in communism and the main reason is that for beacuse it's ignore the nationalistic sense of different ethnic groups

It all really depends what your view of communism is, I view myself as very patriotic toward my nation and the people and wouldn't want communism to become some world wide nation abolishment project

>>132364488

>Born in communist country
>24 years later moved to none communist country
>adapt new culture and principles with open arms
>have a beautiful family, honorable valors
>social media gets more popular
>for some fucking reasons communist is on the rise in north american
>trudeau gets elected

File: 1488168190528.jpg (21KB, 240x240px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 240x240px

>>132364488
This is what communists actually believe in.

File: ahuviya.png (536KB, 900x734px) Image search: [Google]

536KB, 900x734px

>>132372075
The amount of blood is not crucial. Commies fucked up Spain and leftist rhetoric is still prelevant there.
It's just that wealth fried the brains of most westerners. They're so rich and their work is so easy that they need some other grand purpose in life, some "noble" cause to "change the world" like feminism, LGBT or communism. These often merge into one creating monstrosities like Ahuviya Harel.
Americans also think that communism will pay their college loans.
The "real" marxism is dead and outdated just like feudalism.

>>132372423
You do realize that the massive automatisation will eventually lead to some sort of a "socialist" revolution ? People won't revolt because they don't want to work, people will revolt because they will be denied work. It always happened like that

Go to the closest McDonald's and count how many workers are there vs how many automated cash registers are there, this is what global capitalism leads to. The ever lasting effort to create more capital by replacing human labour with robot labour will take more and more jobs until at one point the people crack.
If the socialist revolution comes people won't be demanding automaton they will be trying to destroy it. If the revolution comes people like you will be the second ones to be hanged

>>132373432
Not if I hang you first you motherfucker. Fuck you

>>132372243
The Joe example what you brought up was what was exactly the problem with Communist Hungary.
Work was mandatory for every one and those who are not worked ended up in jail. And since everybody is worked the created to much from a product that nobody wanted just beacuse the work was mandatory and of corse they can't lover the prices beacuse nobody wants to much from x product and if the sell x product a low price then they dont get enough money (the industry/factory) to make that x product. And they ended up creating waste.
>>132372772
>pinko FUCKING UNDERSTAND the neccesity of tribalism
Marvellous. Absolutely marvellous. Then why don't you become a strasserist instead of being communist?
>>132373358
This what is wrong with the West ,to much wealth and lack of stuggle destroyed the sense of belonging and the idea of nationalism.
Nationalism is about taking pride of your ancestors work and protecting the haritage and the way of life that put your country in the map at first place. This is why self serving wsterner can't understand it. They only see that we take pride in achivment that is not your.

>>132373432
>You do realize that the massive automatisation will eventually lead to some sort of a "socialist" revolution ?

No it won't.

>Country becomes so automated that they go full commie
>Country becomes just as automated but keeps Capitalism and instead of giving an UBI people start investing in stocks getting massive gains for little investment
>Capitalist country becomes 10 times richer thanks to proper allocation of capital
>Commies start destroying the initial capital because who the fuck wants to invest in anything new? Sort of like Cuba still driving cars from the 50s.
>Commies kill each other because they've become stagnant while other people are posting instagram pictures with trips to Mars while living 120 years.

When will you pinkos realize that there's no such thing as post-scarcity?

>>132373999
Being patriotic doesn't mean I'm a Nazi, it just means that I am patriotic
just as being communist doesn't really mean you have to hold any social beliefs since communism and socialism are both economic theories

>>132367641
Fuck... I actually fell a tear at this one

>>132373999

Precisely. The free market works in this way. If you suck at work or you're not showing up, you get fired and replaced by a good worker. Also, goods, in a free market, goods are produced based on quality and demand. Bad businesses are allowed to fail so that quality businesses that make quality products that people actually want can come in and have success. It's logic, it makes sense, but for whatever reason, this doesn't make sense to those that rail against Capitalism and the Free Market.

>wake up in red country
>go hero

File: 19553979_1350389925082289_1367479269753855780_n.jpg (20KB, 480x336px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 480x336px

>>132366281
Venezuela was highly economically dominant in the 80's and early 90's and not just because of their oil but because of their capitalistic growth. They had a year round growing seasons and the most firtile lands in their hemisphere. Their infrastructure was more developed than the best parts of Brazil today. The moment the state took over the production of all goods, oil, food, everything that just had to be maintained and kept up with in order to reach that socialist ideal society and global trade Titan, declined... Rapidly.
But it was the rise of oil prices that OPEC... Venezuela's support group... Created an artificial inflation in and that's what did the country in. Nothing to do with socialism. It was the few remaining capitalistic entities that were government sponsored that was at fault.. thanks for the enlightenment

>>132366281
>There is no state in communist land.

What's to stop a state from forming and taking power then? Or an outside one from conquering you?

File: 1279811899651.jpg (35KB, 418x423px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 418x423px

>>132366281
>There is no state in communist land.
There is no ''state'' word in the >>132365340 post.

File: 1200px-Red_flag.svg.png (5KB, 1200x720px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 1200x720px

I shall stop calling myself communist, I am removing the flag for now on. The amount of people that use the label and flag in wrong sense just makes it more difficult to be taken seriously
If an alt-left ever manages to form they should restrict themselves from being associated with communism or marxism because those words simply lost all original meaning. We must invent new symbolism and reinvent the tre ideology from bottom up

Although I am still deeply communist and marxist in original sense, I really don't fucking want to be associated with lazy retards who want automation and free shit

/pol/ really fucking changes a man

>>132374436
>Strasserist
>Nazi
This two are not the same thing at all. The nazis hated strasserist beacuse they were slightly more socialistic in nature. Otto Strasser was fleed from Germany beacuse of this and his brother was killed in the Night of the long knives.

>>132364488

>using "if it was a perfect society" as an argument

if you need it to be a perfect society, it will never work. the point of capitalism is to work in an unpredictable society of apes with uncontrolled emotional tendencies.

>>132364488
>>132364488
Retarded american champagne socialist faggot.

I hope you get purged by some commisar

File: 1478426924355.gif (1MB, 480x270px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 480x270px

>>132364488
>you walk down the street and notice that many of the large mansions have been turned into apartments for the poor

Why are there still poor people? Does that not imply that a bourgeoisie still exists?

>>132364488
>wake up in communist society
>standard issue communist bed is rock hard, poorly built
>turn over to sickly wife
>she requires advanced treatment but there are not enough surgeons in communist society to redistribute
>daughter pines for food
>it has been a 4 days since the breadline temporarily closed down due to "counter-revolutionary betrayal slowing down production"
>you say its going to be fine
>know deep down in your heart that your wife will die in a few days and your daughter will starve in a couple of weeks
>walk to work in depressing grey town
>arrive at work 5 minutes late
>union representative says that it is clear that you are hindering the progress of the workers as this is the third time you have been late in a month
>work hard labour for 15 hours
>walk home along same depressing landscape
>secret police are waiting at home
>daughter is crying her eyes out
>wife is too weak to respond
>you try to run from police
>not enough energy
>collapse on the pavement
>police bundle you and your family into a van and drive away
>as you are about to be executed a man with a large beard and german accent turns to look at you
>you ask why you there is so much injustice in the communist utopia
>its marx
>he laughs
>"thats all over for you now, comrade"

>>132375250
>The nazis hated strasserist because they were slightly more socialistic in nature

The Soviets hated Trotsky, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a communist. He too was eventually killed by the regime in Mexico
I just don't hold such ideas

File: IMG_1198.jpg (219KB, 1197x1200px) Image search: [Google]

219KB, 1197x1200px

>>132364488

>>132364488
P R O P E R T Y
A B O V E
A L L

KYS FAGGOTS
I'VE EXPERIENCED COMMUNISM IT'S SHITTY, DEMORALIZING, BREEDS STUPID PEOPLE AND DRIVES AWAY ANYONE WORTH A DAMN
MILITARY OFFICER LIFE IS GOOD THO BECAUSE YOU BELONG TO THE CLASSLESS ELITE
FUCK YOU

File: IMG_1188.png (109KB, 644x598px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 644x598px

>>132364488
.

File: IMG_1178.jpg (56KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 800x600px

>>132364488
'

File: IMG_1141.jpg (76KB, 640x492px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 640x492px

>>132364488
,

File: IMG_1146.jpg (266KB, 900x1148px) Image search: [Google]

266KB, 900x1148px

>>132364488
-

>>132375189

OK Anon, that's all fine, but you've brought up precisely why Communism in it's original intended form will never work. There are always, always, going to be a significant segment of any population that are: lazy, stupid, selfish, or even all of the above. Any of these traits significantly harm any attempts to build a true communist society, because it relies on people pulling their own weight. So, in any society, you have to account for this problem. In one that adheres to capitalist, free market, principals, these people are allowed to be free and do what they will. If they fail, so be it, if they horde their wealth, so be it, society will press on. With Communism, you either have to take the hit and suffer from their actions, or you take steps to "deal" with the problem. If you choose the latter, your society will form cracks.

How do you address this?

>>132364488
>*gets killed by a nigger*

heh

File: IMG_1127.jpg (51KB, 548x585px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 548x585px

>>132364488
`

File: 1498515656003.jpg (43KB, 570x587px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 570x587px

>>132364488
Double double...

You wake up from your dream and into the socialist 'paradise', what a despotic nightmare, nobody has anything, force to work at threat of death, realise

Communism Doesn't Work.
Communism Has Never Worked.
Communism Will Never Work.
Communism Doesn't Work.

But too late... Now I have to queue for moldy bread.. Oh, they just ran out.

File: IMG_1125.png (631KB, 1023x766px) Image search: [Google]

631KB, 1023x766px

>>132364488
;

File: IMG_1103.png (92KB, 554x380px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 554x380px

>>132364488
]

File: IMG_1112.gif (980KB, 480x400px) Image search: [Google]

980KB, 480x400px

>>132364488
..

File: IMG_1106.jpg (97KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 800x600px

>>132364488

File: 4b1347c468ac810c2b4060399ce4cbc9--ali-in-time.jpg (49KB, 526x375px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 526x375px

>>132375794
>Slovene
>I'VE EXPERIENCED COMMUNISM IT'S SHITTY
>possibly the comfiest socialist country to ever exist

Save it Janez, so have I and it was the comfiest place in the world to live in

>>132365340
LMAO. Comm*nists BTFO!

File: IMG_1089.jpg (57KB, 517x488px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 517x488px

>>132364488
,.

File: IMG_1050.jpg (45KB, 480x335px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 480x335px

>>132364488
;;

File: 1493535219944.jpg (75KB, 338x457px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 338x457px

>>132375189
First step to the revolution of the mind, Mein Kamerad

>>132364488
>wake up in a communist society
>no food
>neighbor was taken by the secret police for hoarding and selling goods
>government says I have to clean sewers today
>get bit by rat
>can't go to doctor because they all left
>happy that I got to at least live in a society without God

File: 25234534.jpg (139KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 1280x720px

>>132366922
>shoes
>drive
Fun fact: USSR bought The Grapes of Wrath movie as propaganda effort to demonstrate deficiencies of capitalism. But. Common soviet people were utterly flabbergasted by the fact that even bottoms of society can afford car in the US (in 1964 USSR had like 4 cars per 1000 people, US - 370 ). Big mistake, movie was quickly taken out from cinemas.

>>132376095
I'm not even an utopist like you believe

What I want in a communist society
>workers self management
>collective ownership over the means of production
>abolishment of private property
>direct democracy
>more worker rights

Nothing else, I don't go to bed masturbating to a perfect utopian society, I just really fucking hate capitalism and libertarian economy

>>132376741
Same tbqh

>>132367264
and who made the automation? Do you even know the fucking complexity of making robotics? are you going to pay those motherfuckers the same you pay your toilet janitor?
if you're not ironically shitposting I feel sad for you, as you are not a man and do not understand the mind of man.
very sad
I wonder what your father thinks of your posts

The reason this hasn't happened yet is because America is the only possible place for (((real))) communism to happen.

>>132364488
>wake up in communism society
>sunlight streams through the hole a wall
>put on my government approved clothes
>have 20 minutes before going to work
>boss called, "we need to produce more iron, you will have to work 20h today"
>walk down the street
>look around
>propaganda everywhere
>people are afraid to talk
>you feel like you are being watched
>you notice that the most houses are falling apart
>no food in stores
>a person is getting beaten up by KGB due to not having a government approved haircut
>all libraries are closed because they aren't a need
>you decided to walk to subway
>train arrived, few pieces has fallen off of it
>decide to walk
>you notice a man walking towards you
>it's marx
>he tells you that communism was a mistake

>>132376741
Same honestly

>>132376830
I'm an engineer and if both had the same salary, i'd 100% rather keep working as engineer than working as factory worker.

So what's your point ?

File: IMG_5291.jpg (428KB, 1907x1112px) Image search: [Google]

428KB, 1907x1112px

>>132376581
I give him 2 years.

File: crash.png (507KB, 1270x673px) Image search: [Google]

507KB, 1270x673px

>>132364488

Op' s brain is glitchy....

>>132367966
Not to mention, I have yet to hear of automation as an actual thing in a communist country

File: 1343088754084.png (175KB, 316x317px) Image search: [Google]

175KB, 316x317px

>>132364488
>this is what commies ACTUALLY believe

File: 1469220296894.jpg (45KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 512x512px

>>132367264
>No one has to work. The person is just telling you your job has been automated so you shouldn't come because there will be nothing to do.
Stealing added value created by robotic proletariat? Die neo capitalist scum! Revolution! Freedom for robots!

People (or robots) MUST work under communism or otherwise they are useless parasites who have no value or meaning. This is basis of society. Communism can only promise eternal slavery no rest for the wicked.

>>132376581
>>132377234
>/pol/ fags who believe because I don't want to be associated with modern communist I will become Nazi

Find a long rope tie it around your neck, you know what to do

File: Red_Son_Superman.jpg (27KB, 420x320px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 420x320px

>>132364488
Inspiring

>>132369171
>marx would spit in your face
>marx himself was a bum that mooched off his rich friend for his entire life, never working once

>>132377202
and I dont. canceleed you out

>>132377751
Replyed to wrong post, oops.

>>132377738
Cuz you never worked as factory worker and/or if you're a white collar you're only running after your bonus like a good dog

File: XD.gif (279KB, 300x199px) Image search: [Google]

279KB, 300x199px

>>132364488
>Smartphone

I guess I don't have to read anymore after that to know that you're stupid.

>>132376420
right, I'm sure you're one of those who benefited greatly from theft of my family's property and my high value people's decline was a giant leap forward for proles like your parents in comparison

>>132377906
no, its because surplus "theft" does not exist
inflation and taxes are the REAL theft

>>132377993
Daily reminder that most technological progress is done through government grants.

>>132378061
they really dont get it man
good thing defensive wars are now the advantage

>>132364488
>wake up in a communist society
>get shot

>>132378204
actually its by white males paying tax

>>132364488

Wake up in the real world, watch nazis, communists , authoritarians, Liberterians , free market capitalists cry theirs eyes out

File: HECw8AzK.jpg (42KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 512x512px

>>132378204
Incorrect!

>>132378362
It is by pooling resources for the common good.

This is literally the best and most relatable. Thanks for making ke feel, comrade anon.

File: feels.png (225KB, 2400x2400px) Image search: [Google]

225KB, 2400x2400px

>>132378403
;-;

It is true.

>>132364488

Sage

>t. Your communist society collapses because productivity collapses
> your communist society breaks all corporate laws and all corporate contracts collapse, leading to logistics failure & supply shortages
> money flees the country and leads to bank failures
> the poor riot against a Dictator who promised them "Bread & land" only to find nothing
> The Communist Cheka and Army start to shoot the poor and send street gangs to keep them afraid at night
> the power company and all utilities fail to keep the lights on
> You go to sleep cold, hungry and afraid
> You wake up in a communist society
> Sunlight streams through your window...

>>132378435
This is something the Soviets did literally 50 years ago. Color me unimpressed.

>>132365340
That wasn't real communism, hahaha

>>132364488
>wake up in a communist society
>go to manual labor job to work according to your ability and take according to your need
>female coworker is pregnant
>because of her medical condition, she intentionally works less
>yet she gets to take more because her need is greater - despite pregnancy being a choice
>fuck it, the work will get done
>so you work less
>then your fellow slaves notice
>and they work less
>soon enough, all of your labor pool is working at the pace of the slowest member
>be sent to gulag or executed because you didn't meet your quota
>gommunism

>>132378629
>productivity collapses
The only point at which the Soviet economy did not grow was WWII. There was a great period during which Soviet economic growth outstripped the American economy's growth. Don't believe everything you see on TV.
>all corporate laws and contracts
Boohoo. You don't get to exploit people anymore. I feel so bad for you.
>bank failures
Won't someone think of the banks?
>poor riot
When funded by the CIA, yes.
>cheka blah blah blah
Ensuring the safety of your citizens is paramount. The revolution is not a tea party.
>lights
The Soviet Union was electric before the US was.

i wonder what mental illness someone needs to have to believe in a fantasy land called communism

>>132371085
You won't convince me communism isn't terrible but I will say you're one of communism's better ambassadors. I feel sort of bad that you have shitheads speaking for you, but then so does every other ideology.

>>132364488
I love how you start off with a smartphone... that was invented and forwarded by capitalism. Communism doesn't create or invent anything. It just takes like a greedy child, and then spoils everything like a greedy child.

>>132379379
In the land of the bourgeois, truth and justice are a mental illness.

>>132366281
>it wasn't real socialism!

Turns out socialism doesn't work if someone else offers the same goods at a lower cost. Go figure.

File: iphone-slide.jpg (155KB, 1315x691px) Image search: [Google]

155KB, 1315x691px

>>132377993
How embarrassing.

>>132379428
The smartphone was invented by labor. Capitalism just ensured certain people got paid.

>>132365340
Glory to Artstozka.

>>132379715
You have to be a troll. Do you know how businesses work? First you have an idea, then you probe the market to see if you will sell, then you have to buy materials, then you pay people to make your dream into a tangible good. You're already getting paid money to work faggot.

>>132379269
>still thinks communism is better even with muh gulags

you are a bad person

>>132379963
You are getting paid for 1/10th of how much you are producing, if you are exceptionally lucky. Capital siphons everything off the top. There is no logic in this.

>>132380116
Ask aborigines how they feel about capitalism. Being a less bad person in a world full of people with ill intent is not a crime.

>>132364488
>this is what commies actually believe
That's why you gullible, irrational morons should be killed one by one

>wake up in a communist society
>suddenly my opensource smart phone rings

fucking kek

>>132380320
poor dumb people always think communism is good, because they think they will get more money; though they aren't smart enough to think about the negative effects, or look past the utopian dream it tries to sell, or look at history.

people advocating for communism are dumb, poor, lazy, or everything above

>>132366922
Touche

>>132380588
>people advocating for communism are dumb, poor, lazy, or everything above
Don't forget the students who think that they'll be part of the ruling elite. They tend to be the loudest about it.

>>132364488
Get your retarded lazy daydreams out. No one will ever pay you just for existing you fucking nobody. Get a job or kys

>>132380588
You are contending a bunch of different things right now. You sound terribly confused, and are attempting to get the last word in as opposed to arguing fairly.

Of course, when the workers own the means of production, the individual will have more money. Of course, anything looks like utopia when compared to the shitheap that is capitalism. Of course, history shows that the Soviet Union grew faster than the United States did for very long periods of time. Of course, the poor want not to be alienated from their product.

File: 1491747655452.jpg (63KB, 576x770px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 576x770px

>EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE BETTER AND FREE AND ROBOTS ARE GONNA DO ALL THE WORK AND THERE'LL BE NO STATE OR GOVERNMENT AND WE'LL SHOOT ANYONE WHO GETS IN OUR WAY BUT NOBODY WILL BE CORRUPT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL BE NICE AND AND AND
Why do communist ramblings sound like an autistic kid on youtube talking about their super original setting for their forum roleplaying group?

>>132381046
Look at this. The capitalist has had his head turned downwards by the bourgeois, and refuses to even think that the world could be better. What a sad state of affairs.

>>132364488
Cool fairy tale, bro.

File: 1494337455198.gif (61KB, 624x869px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 624x869px

>>132381174
>w-why won't my fellow working class believe in my fairytail utopia where everything's free and there aren't any rules?

>>132364488
>Mansions of the rich and Middle class become mansions of Jewish party leaders
>Land and industry become people's property but run by Jews
>They steal so much that Economy goes to shit
>Western Jews come to rescue And deeply indebt the country
>Regime change, forced privatization,
>Economy owned by Jews or sold to western companies for pennies
>Orbán please help..

Communism in Hungary

File: ! ! ! FPBP.jpg (181KB, 800x850px) Image search: [Google]

181KB, 800x850px

>>132365340
FPBP

File: 1498319198942.jpg (79KB, 716x703px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 716x703px

>>132364488

>>>OP wakes up in a communist society when the Sun is already shining
>>>OP late for mandatory freely given free work on pain of death free
>>>OP immediately rounded up and genocided at gulag for being late for work and for illegaly harbouring more than his deisgnated amount of semen in every orifice

Inhale VX NOW! Quick before your idiocy spreads!

>>132381365
You won't believe it because you have been conditioned not to believe it. The capital class have taught you to hate yourself. They have succeeded, unfortunately, but there is a better way.

>>132380929
capitalism is the only system to come out of recession; communism has never climbed out, it's only solution was authority and death - which failed too.

And of course there would be growth initially, when you've stolen everything from the people you're gunna spend it somewhere, but that won't last long.

File: 1498026901904.png (217KB, 329x461px) Image search: [Google]

217KB, 329x461px

>>132364488
>things that will never happen or could ever even be possible
Must be nice to do hard drugs

>>132379507
imposible without taxes?
no, impossible without white males

>>132380188
source?

>>132377553
You'll come around

>>132364488
I'm pretty sure starvation and mass poverty was in there somewhere, I'm certain of it!

>>132381643
There is no overall need for communism to get out of recessions because communist economies generally do not fall into recession. Secondly, yes it has, look at the Czech Republic.

Also, the period during which economic growth was most profound, i.e. outpacing the US, was between Brezhnev and Gorbachev, far removed from the initial war economy. There was also tremendous growth during the Stalinist period.

Also, is the same thing not true of capitalist countries? When the bloodthirsty imperialists come in and seize the wealth of Australia, the Native Americans, Africans, etc. etc?

>>132371623
haha yeah, maybe if the "workers" weren't a bunch of niggers working at mcdonalds "stirking" for 15 bucks an hour

File: 1491766139854.png (152KB, 500x515px) Image search: [Google]

152KB, 500x515px

>>132381622
It's unbelievable because it's a bunch of vaguely defined promises of utopia without any actual planning or thought behind it. Commies expect that if they wave their fists outside banks hard enough suddenly there'll be infinite resources and do-anything robots and boarders and laws will just vanish. It's no different than a cult promising eternal salvation for a monthly payment to an off-shore bank account.

File: images (1) (1).jpg (9KB, 286x176px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 286x176px

ITT: Communist delusions and cognitive dissonance

>>132382465
>Also, the period during which economic growth was most profound, i.e. outpacing the US, was between Brezhnev and Gorbachev, far removed from the initial war economy. There was also tremendous growth during the Stalinist period.
and then what. why do commies stop their internal history

>>132382066
Are you fucking serious? Source?

The whole economic system of capitalist countries relies on siphoning the wealth from the top. If the capitalist does not receive substantial return on investment, they do not invest. Stockholders pay so they can have more money.

Look at it this way. Why would an employer hire someone? Or more appropriately, how do they select a wage?

>>132382806
>>132382806
>The whole economic system of capitalist countries relies on siphoning the wealth from the top.
source? you are aware the majority of businessess fail?

File: ivan ivanovski.jpg (11KB, 198x254px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 198x254px

>>132364488

>>132373358
is that chris chan. seriously asking

File: Private Property Hitler.jpg (64KB, 850x400px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 850x400px

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE TOOTHBRUSH

Private property is above all else.
My home, my gun, my familty, my people.

>>132374882
>an hero

>>132382465
i like how czech later overthrew their communist rule because it was cancer. Probably because it allowed no freedom of thought or information.

>Also, is the same thing not true of capitalist countries? When the bloodthirsty imperialists come in and seize the wealth of Australia, the Native Americans, Africans, etc. etc?

This doesn't explain our current wealth and success. Nice try though but it's not true for Australia. Aboriginals had no wealth either; just sticks and stones.

>>132383007
No it's Ahuviya Harel. Slighly less retarded but even more cringeworthy.

>>132382764
And then the capitalists took over, and all progress stopped. The economy's value was cut in half, and crime, homelessness, and poverty became rampant. I figured that went without saying, but I see from your flag that you do not think much.

>>132382641
>vaguely defined
...what? Das Kaptial has reams of information about what is wrong, and many other writings are fairly well sourced on how to fix it. No one is speaking of raising their fists outside of banks. You are creating straw men because you suck at arguing. Cults have no reasoning nor evidence behind them. Communism does. That is the difference, but you have become so blinded by ideology that you cannot see the light.

File: f02.png (114KB, 680x439px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 680x439px

>>132382806
/communism

>>132382893
Why does that matter? The whole system of investing means that you are paying someone to extract profit from their work.

>>132383444
you cant prove that until the business suceeds
but since the majority of businessess fail, that means the workers have collectively stolen more surplus than the capitalist
>y-you cant use surplus math on failed businessess!
because it reveals your idea of theft as a sham

File: HillaryClinton.jpg (29KB, 620x532px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 620x532px

>>132383254
>more cringeworthy

good god, man

>>132383315
if your system is so weak that it is easily taken over
why would you advocate for the same system, again and again

>>132382465
>>132383251
seems like communist ideology only survives by authoritarian censorship. Until everyone starves to death. Kinda like reddit

It must be really easy to brag about communism in a capitalist country. Even the dream your trying to sell sounds like cancer, as it has been in times past and has never worked.
But imagine trying to sell capitalism in a communist society. The communists secretly imported jeans to sell like cocaine and made a fuckload of money lmao. No diversity of products, freedom of thought, information. Capitalism would be easy to sell in a communist country. It's no wonder communism is always overthrown and replaced, even when stifled by death squads to silence different ideas from taking root.
I love how you're trying to spread this shitty idea and you don't have to be silenced. Just proves that communism is still cancer and capitalism is one of the best systems.

Really, the more i learn about communism the more i hate it.

>>132383251
>no freedom of thought or information
How many communists showed up on American or Australian TV?

>that doesn't explain wealth or success
Wealth grows. Wealth can invest on itself, and perpetuate wealth. Would you rather have $100 dollars now, or $100 dollars 5 years from now? Of course, you would prefer it now, as it could be worth far more than that in the future. The same thing is true on a large scale, in fact, even more so.

>>132383347
...except I did explain my argument. Your reading comprehension is poor. No wonder the literacy rate of Cuba is better than America's.

>>132364488
(The rest of the day)
>Live next door to a traitor to Marxism.
>He gets caught
>Gives your name up despite innocence
>Get no trial
>Spend your time getting raped in a Gulag
>Die with a size 13 butthole

>>132366281
>There is no state in communist land.

you fail to mention the enormous socialist state that is supposed to, contra reason, lead to stateless communist utopia.

>>132383880
>the literacy rate of Cuba is better than America's.
>they just take those 90 mile raft rides for funsies!

>>132369171
work and job is not the same thing.
comrade OP is now free to pursue his dream of composing music for glorious communist society.

>>132383968
something accelerationism something de facto revolution that ignores pendulum effect

>>132383718
That is some sketchy math. The total accumulated wealth of all successful business has to be more than the total accumulated wealth of all unsuccessful businesses, or else there is no reason to open a business at all. The contention that more surplus is stolen is on its face, absurd.

File: ahuviya2.jpg (150KB, 475x637px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 475x637px

>>132383782
It's because of his involvement in politics. Chris-chan likes to spew feminist bullshit from time to time but he's too retarded to understand politics.
Ahuviya, on the other hand, is a full-blown commie LARPer.

>>132384056
These two things have no real bearing on one another

>>132383880
>no freedom of thought or information
>How many communists showed up on American or Australian TV?
Have you ever heard of bernie sanders or jeremy corbyn?
This is a sad attempt at trying to say communists are actively being censored and killed, just as capitalists would've been in communist countries. I'm really disappointed in you.

>that doesn't explain wealth or success
>Wealth grows. Wealth can invest on itself, and perpetuate wealth. Would you rather have $100 dollars now, or $100 dollars 5 years from now? Of course, you would prefer it now, as it could be worth far more than that in the future. The same thing is true on a large scale, in fact, even more so.

No. Wealth does not magically grow. (and no it doesnt grow under communism either, they had to start burning money to keep warm, because the money became so useless lmao)

You must be fucking dumb confirmed lmao.

>>132384217
What size is your butthole? Are you sure you're not biting off more than you can chew (lmao), with all this?

File: 1498308847052.jpg (270KB, 750x728px) Image search: [Google]

270KB, 750x728px

>>132383315
>but you have become so blinded by ideology that you cannot see the light.

jesus fucking christ

File: 559f8de9-5c24-433f-b617-5d6ab0765237-nt2-previeworg.jpg (118KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

118KB, 1024x768px

>>132378757
sorry but technology you're using to shitpost communist fairy tales relies on individual achievements of this swimming instructor funded by cruel capitalists

>>132383845
The system is not weak. People can have all the evidence in front of them, but still not make the correct decision. And doesn't that apply to all the capitalist countries that are moving further and further left?

>>132383863
>authoritarian censorship
That is far more the purview of the capitalists. Ask J. Edgar Hoover, and anyone who has ever lost their job for trying to start a union.

>muh blue jeans
At least you can look good as you are kicked out of the hospital for not having enough money to pay for treatment.

>>132384056
Cuba's economy has grown a lot faster than many other Latin American countries have. In fact, it is one of the few countries in the region to give foreign aid.

>>132384218
i mean they do look similar tho

>>132385004
Great, now...about that butthole...?
What size would you say?

>>132379813
>Your son has died.

>>132385004
Hey btw since you're apparently an actual commie answer me this

How much money do you currently make yearly? What kind of housing do you currently have? What kind of car do you currently drive? I'd ask about food, water, etc. but you obviously have those things because you live in the oppressive capitalist US.

Now imagine US was suddenly a communist paradise. What would change? How much wealthier would you be? What do you stand to gain by "destroying the patriarchy" and implementing your utopian ideology?

Red pill me on communism bro!

>>132385158
Apparently it's the new norm for autists to become fat and seek to escape their misery through transgenderism and ideologies like communism and feminism.

>>132380320
well they're no longer dying in their 30s or eating babies so i guess they're okay.

File: IMG_1490.jpg (85KB, 1080x787px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 1080x787px

>>132385004
I SWEAR, GOMMUNISM IS REAL GOOD GUISE, IF I BELIEVE SO THEN IT MUST BE TWUE!!!

File: carlcuck.jpg (39KB, 600x615px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 600x615px

>>132385297
but women and minorities would be treated so much bet-HAHAHA sorry i tried

>wake up in a recently former communist society
>Sunlight streams through window, no electricity
>get up put on my barely affordable clothes and head out the door. No locks, as that's too luxurious
>can't pick up the phone I don't own
>I pick it up
>"Hey comrade! No need to come to work today your jobs been automated! have fun with your free time!"
>look around.
>no advertisements anywhere, just like the industry
>people are talking to each other like they know each other even though they are basically strangers
>you feel a strong sense of community, as everyone's living in the same shithole
>you walk down the street and notice that many of the large mansions have been turned into apartments for the poor. The apartments are already falling apart
>the building that line the street offer free food and other goods, as nobody could afford it otherwise
>one of the people working there smiles, waves at you, keels over, and dies
>another is reading the same book for the 100th time
>a large building that used to be a bank is now a government building
>you decide to walk to the subway
>The pay meters have been removed, no cars to use them anyways
>the subway has been rebuilt better than before, as officials use it as propaganda
>hanging on the wall in the flag of the city and a simple red flag
>You walk onto one of the trains and sit down next to a man with a large beard and a german accent
>You ask about the econemy the war's going on and the trouble going on in the world
>he turns around and smiles at you.
>"Thats all over now comrade"
>it's your brother
>he gives you a paternal hug, realize you're in a bed
>"I told you it was inevitable comrade."
>brother has to bury you, as you died from the lack of available healthcare

Communism doesn't work

>>132384438
They were horrifically slandered and ignored for quite a while.Secondly, if you think they are anywhere close to communism, you are fucking retarded.

No, wealth does not magically grow. When you invest in things like schools, roads, tech, etc. the amount you invest is paid back with considerable interest due to the fact that everyone is now contributing more than they otherwise would. And burning money to keep warm? What? You really believe everything you see, huh?

>>132384554
>le butthole ecksdee

>>132384839
Which technology? The technology whose research was almost exclusively funded by the government? That technology?

>>132385378
Now they are dying in their twenties.

>>132385541
That is not what I said. That does not even approximate what I said. Furthermore, it is not quite clear what you are trying to say. If you are not going to actually advance an argument, please go sit in a kiddy corner somewhere. Adults are speaking.

>>132385297
Why does any of this matter?

>>132386187
I've been to prison...that's like Communism...and is mild compared to a gulag...trust me, 99% of you are coming out with at least size 11 assholes.
real shit. That's best case.
My estimation is probably being a bit kind on the buttholes in fact.

It's just a fact...the bigger the police state, the more jeopardy your poop chute is in.
It's a historical fact.
A scientific fact.
As proven as gravity.

>>132386594
My sweet child. You clearly have a very specious understanding of what happens when adults speak. That is, if you understand at all.

No one is mad at you. No one is upset at any of the things you say. Southpark is not a good source of, well, anything, let alone political views.

I am going to ignore you from now on.

>>132386594
so you're part of glorious 1%

>>132383968
Don't bring logic unto communism, bring unto him McNukes.

>>132386933
Whatever Jew. You're just mad because my comedy proves how silly you are. The joke is true too. I swear...it is funny, and it WAS a joke.
However, a lot of truth is said in jest.
Facts are facts. Talking about ass-rape sn't a serious topic?
We should NEVER discuss it?
Not very Communal....

>>132364488
>wake up in communist society
>starved to dead

>>132386933
and btw...that shit was all me...South Park?
I AM Cartman, you dumb bitch.
And you just got hit with the stick of truth.
Thinks I steal my material...
Feels bad man.

>>132364488
>Communism
>Food is available

Pick only one.

>>132366281
>It wasn't REAAAAL communism
Fine, here's this
>wake up in communist society
>sunlight pouring through the blinds
>get up put my clothes on and head out the door
>the door breaks
>I tell the door fixers of the commune to fix it
>they fix it
>it still doesn't work, so I do it myself, to much more success
>I start to fix doors for people
>eventually I train others to do so
>everyone is coming to me and giving me a reward for my hard work
>I become successful
>seeing that I'm taking advantage of the door fixers, the commmune executes me and all my workers, giving my tools to the less trained comrades
>someone good with tools does the same as me
>they get killed to, and to stop further oppression of the proletariat, doors are banned
>someone gets cold and builds a door
>people ask for him to build a door to
>even more executions to stop the scourge of capitalism
>rinse and repeat
truly a lovely society Anarcho-Communism creates

File: file.png (64KB, 262x192px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 262x192px

>Wake up in Ancapistan
>McSunlight streams through the McHole-In-The-IWall (TM)
>Get up put on my clothes and head out the door
>Suddenly my opensource smart phone sub-dermal implant rings
>I pick it up
>"Hello master, we have physically removed the intruders marked as "Ex-GF" from your private property!"
>Look around.
>No roads.
>People are standing talking to each other after signing an agreement to enter into other's private property.
>You feel a strong sense of McCommunity.
>You walk down the privately owned street and see many of the marxists indoctrinate factories have been turned into privately owned crackhouses.
>The building that line the street offer goods in exchange of other goods in a consensual act.
>One of the people working there smiles and waves at you.
>Another is reading a large book on physics of helicopter flight.
>A large building that used to be a state-owned is now a huge helicopter airfield
>You decide to fly on your privately owned nuclear helicopter
>The you don't need roads anymore
>you see the neighbor's house, he's cleaning his AntiAir batteries so you fly higher before he removes you for breaching the nap
>You look at the sea side behind you
>Onto one of the chairs, a bum with a large beard and a german accent
>You ask what the fuck is he doing breaching into your private property.
>He turns around and smiles at you.
>He is your marx.
>You kick him out of your private helicopter.
>Get shot down when you come home since your neighbour finished cleaning is AA batteries.

>>132384217
source?

File: 9780465060733_p0_v3_s1200x630.jpg (26KB, 414x630px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 414x630px

>>132364488
>this kills the commie

>>132387761
>I am the ubermensch, everyone else is stupid.

This is how they trick you into going against your own self-interest.

>>132388232
...logic? What do you mean? Why would anyone invest if there was that much disincentive to invest in a business?

File: Good looking.jpg (136KB, 1100x619px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 1100x619px

>>132364488
>wake up in a lobby-free capitalism
>get up and put my clothes I could afford by myself on
>suddenly my advanced, proprietary smart phone alerts me
>I answer
>"Hey dan, sorry about this but, we had a merger today and there's going to be less jobs at our company. Don't worry, your pension and IRA will get matched until we let you go, and we'll do our best to get you a replacement."
>look around
>no screeching retards screaming about their oppression anywhere
>people are getting together and being decent people because culture and economics are only linked in shitty commie societies
>Walk down the street
>tons of fucking mansions, with kids learning the service industry, making pocket change to spend on themselves and get references for a nice future, the kids happily enjoy their cliques
>the local outlet mall has reasonable prices and great quality, a cheap one with reasonable quality, and a luxury store for the people with mansions
>one of the people in town is taking their friend to lunch
>another's busy in a starbucks meeting, productive but obviously satisfied with her progress professionally
>a large building used for meth heads pretending it's a library is turned into a classy credit union
>you decide to get in your car, because it's cheap, luxurious, and an efficient way to transport yourself with your own agency, because the freeways and highways were redesigned with care a half century ago
>hanging above your garage door
>The only flag that matters.
>The American Flag.
>You look out at your mixed day, ready to handle what's next
>because you're a fucking adult, and you love your country.

>>132388220
at least there are still helicopter rides

>>132388382
because men have balls and commies do not
and surplus theft does not exist so all the disincentive you are imagining isnt real either

>>132388525
Helicopters are the ancap way.

>>132388383
this is the crux. commies are the they are because they didn't measure up to those with success, and communism is one big revenge fantasy

>>132371085
>90% of modern western commies are in it because of free gibs or they just don't want to work

If this is the case, then surely you understand communism in the west will never work?

>wake up in a communist society
>starve

> 2 years later your country owes the Jews so much money that they overthrow your leader with a civil war and a coup so they can tear down everything you built and strip your land for natural resources.

>>132364488
>And then you wake up again to discover it was all an unrealistic dream

>>132388565
So you are telling me that all investing is inherently irrational. The chances of failure far exceed the chances of success. That makes capitalism good, why?

And why wouldn't surplus theft exist?

You seem terribly confused.

>>132388836
>Communism
they already did

>>132389020
He knows...

File: 273_3.jpg (163KB, 1065x762px) Image search: [Google]

163KB, 1065x762px

>>132378061
My entire family property got taken away during the nationalisation process. my dad is still quite bitter about it since none of it was returned during the process of transition. A 2 story family house with a few hectares of land around it + my grandad, the person who owned it all got shot by the partisans and died shortly after

My family did not benefit from the system in any way, but the society did. And that is what matters. During kings Yugoslavia most of the land was concentrated between a small number of people, the cities were severely underdeveloped and the economy depended only on agriculture. After the revolution and the nationalisation the cities were built from the ground, the entire infrastructure was built and the overall people benefited highly from this move

Unfair ? perhaps, but it did more good than your "high value" family ever could

I still wanna talk about ass rape.
There's nothing more Communist than that.
Don't give me that off thread bs....

Fuck ya mate

File: 1498848275629.png (436KB, 1006x935px) Image search: [Google]

436KB, 1006x935px

>>132364488

>>132388804
Well I don't really care about the west, I don't live there

>>132364488
>rebuilt better than before

This never happened in a single communist country.

>goes to grocery store
>no n

>>132364488
gay in the fecal splatter kind of way

>>132389404
that's another thing, forget history, forget the economic aspect. commiefags all completely align themselves with niggerfaggotfeminism without exception. that's enough evidence

>>132379401
I have more respect towards people with augmented opposing opinions than those know nothing about it but still have the balls to talk shit, even if they are ideologically on my side

File: IMG_1911.jpg (31KB, 408x439px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 408x439px

>>132364488
>Wake up in a communist society
>Mad because work is automated
>Nothing to do for today
>Can't complain about the government because you will aressted and executed

File: 412.jpg (76KB, 803x688px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 803x688px

>Wake up at 5am in a communist society.
>Patriotic music blasts from a truck driving slowly down the street.
>Eat stale bread for breakfast.
>Go to work at my designated factory.
>Accidentally break one my tools.
>Thought Police accuse me of being a spy.
>Get sent to Gulag.
>Another great day.

Perhaps the problem is these people ENJOY ass-rape?
Watson!! Get in here!! I've discovered another CLUE!!
Hahahahahahahahah!! ((((I'M NOT JOKING))))

>>132364488
>Then you wake up in reality

File: really.jpg (11KB, 236x226px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 236x226px

>>132364488
>>wake up in a communist society
>>chemical fog seeps through window
>>get up put on my 5 year old raggedy work clothes and head out the door
>>suddenly the loud speaker in my small apartment goes off
>>"A good worker is on time. A good worker does their job correctly. A good worker loves the state."
>>look around.
>>state propaganda everywhere.
>>people are talking to each other only when they need to
>>you feel a strong sense of true oppression
>>you walk down the street and notice that many of the large apartment blocks have been turned into factories to help the war effort
>>the building that line the street are empty and abandoned
>>the people walking by lower their heads and don't make eye contact
>>another is reading state approved literature.
>>a large building that used to be a bank is now a huge warehouse for grain and scrap metal
>>you decide to walk to the train
>>The pay meters have been removed
>>the train isn't starting
>>hanging on the wall is a red flag
>>You walk onto one of the trains and sit down next to a man with a large beard and a german accent
>>You ask about the economy, the war's going on, and the trouble going on in the world
>>he turns around and frowns at you
>>"I don't want to talk about it"
>>its a soldier
>>"My wife and kids died in this fucking war"
>>train stops and the man gets off
>>he is stopped by the secret police and sentenced to 10 years of hard labor for criticising the war effort

Fixed it.

File: 1495227631557.png (90KB, 480x427px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 480x427px

>>132364488
>Wake up in a communist society
>read the government newspaper
>i can't remember who's the leader
>oh here it is
>Leader Maximus Natanielghrghr Cohen
>tick kicks in in my right eye
>rage descend as a tongue of fire from the clouds on me
>blood pressure goes to 14/88 mmhg
>kill the people in my block,silently, can't risk to be caught
>it will be a long morning.

>>132365340
Thank you for existing

File: woke af.jpg (54KB, 283x292px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 283x292px

>>132389404

it's important to be aware that probably a large majority of the communists you encounter on the internet are literal teenagers. Don't get too invested in an argument with one

From a former Red, absolutely fucking not. The same thing that OP is fantasizing about can be achieved even in Fascism and Capitalism. The UBI is on the way.

>>132368459
This.Death to all commies

>wake up in communist society
>leave designated bedroom
>say good morning to neighbors in communal living room,everybody is sad.
>line up for bread in bread line
>man complains that it is taking too long
>secret police whisk him away
>finally gets bread
>goes to the line to the well because I'm thirsty
>wait another 15 minutes
>take train to work
>late for work in factory,manager yells at me for not being able to further the cause of the proletariat
>does not complain because scared of secret police watching at every corner
>explosions around the factory
>it's the germans
>german stuka dive bombers are doing a air raid on the city
>hide
>german soldiers storm city and find me
>cooperate with them
>make a claim that my manager is a NKVD officer
>they execute him
>join the SS
>execute members of the secret police I once feared
>hunt partisans
>germans lose war
>countrymen hang me

>>132371035
THIS

You do have to wonder how many communist sleep with their door's open, because after all everything belongs to everyone and you shouldn't be so greedy.. What's that you want to make up excuses why you should own things while you don't own things... Please do go ahead and contradict yourself...

It always amazed me how these shitheads think that everyone else should have to give up their things first... Why not lead by example, start by giving your computer away to a homeless person, as this would be good two fold, the homeless person now has wealth, and we don't have to listen to your retarded ideology which you seem to fail to understand Doesn't Work.

Communism Doesn't Work.
Communism Has Never Worked.
Communism Will Never Work.
Communism Doesn't Work.

>but.. but..
shhhhh!
Communism. Doesn't. Work.

>>132390723
edgy

>>132383064

"A man must be able to see the fruits of his labor, not only for himself, but for his people. The right of the individual does not distort the society, but quite the opposite, creates prosperity for all"

HEIL

>>132391784
Still better than full submission

File: 1483322776114.png (104KB, 644x598px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 644x598px

>>132364488
> wake up in communist society
> immediately anhero to save myself from the misery

fuck off you dirty commie

>>132392446
memey

>>132391186
>Thank you for existing

kys commie

File: communism.jpg (412KB, 1920x1176px) Image search: [Google]

412KB, 1920x1176px

Our future is beautiful comrades.

Can some Russian anon help me out?
Often when playing CSGO and WoT I see people with "кpым" in their name.

Does this mean they are pro russian or pro Ukrainan?

>>132396427
it's like marxist harry potter

welp at least she's white

>>132396776

She can change to black if she wants, in communism plastic surgery and genetic treatment is free.

>>132395542
His post was against communism you idiot.Fuck communism.

File: file.png (923KB, 1080x608px) Image search: [Google]

923KB, 1080x608px

>>132396427
>>132397211
Ahhh!
I love the smell of communism in the not true morning.

>>132367264
goddammit you're a dense ignorant moron. You are in need of serious and severe cultural enrichment.

File: cant hold the laugh.jpg (60KB, 500x495px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 500x495px

>>132365340

>>132397211
wow free niggerdom, what a utopia

>>132364488
Down with SNLT and the law of value

/pol/ - classcucks

>>132399598
class-traitors
call them what they are

>>132364488

Your entire argument relies on the automation of literally every job which will not happen until we have fully functional AI.

When we have fully functional AI, there is a high probability we will be exterminated by them.

Try again,

>>132364488
>marx gives anon a paternal hug
>sees the warts on his neck from not bathing
>has bad body odor
>communism

>there are retards who actually, unironically still believe in the neet fairy tale that is gommunism

File: download.jpg (4KB, 125x95px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 125x95px

>>132364488
>And yet they claim that religious people are the "fools" who wait the promised heaven

Never change commies, never change

>>132376830
Capitalism made the automation before it was rendered useless at fulfilling our needs. That's the theory at least.