NKorea's ICBM actually can hit Alaska just by changing the

>>132358476
and we already proved we can shoot it down before it reaches international waters

>>132358648

according to the pic, the ICBM landed in international waters though?

>>132358964
yes we didnt shoot this one down as it costs $250m to do so, but the 3-4 back we did

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>>132358476
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/882132508472745984

If only you knew how bad things really are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqczaF0KT3Q

>>132358476
What is air resistance?

>>132359698
The graphic isn't a perfectly accurate model of the trajectory of the missile. The point is it has enough range to strike American soil.

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>>132359414
holy balls man

>>132358476
Well I guess that takes the heat off Hawaii. Because, you know, they just might have very lucky aim.

CALL THE AMBER LAMPS!!!
Least populated state in the US! He'll probably blow up some bears and shit! Oh noes!
If anything is launched, it will be at foreign U.S. military bases or Hawaii. Alaska is the dumbest target possible.

>>132360440
WHY DO YOU HATE POLAR BEARS YOU FUCKING REPUBLICUNT GLOBAL WARMING REEEEEEEEE

>>132360440
It wasn't even a few years ago that they could barely hit Japan. It's only a few hundred more miles until they can hit the west coast, and they're improving fast.

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>>132359698

and?

as
>>132359922
linked,

it'll still reach about 4163.187 miles assuming pic related doesn't happen

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>>132359944
This is just the beginning. The rehearsal. The preamble, if you will.

>The KN-08 is currently under development. (2015)
The missile launched is the KN-14, the latest version of the KN-08, aka Hwasong-14.

In two years, North Korea turned a floundering medium-range missile project into a successfully launched ICBM.

I wonder where we'll be two years from now? One year? Or even two months?
Furthermore, what do they have that we don't know about?

Everyone is scrambling about "what if NK gets an ICBM" or "what if NK gets nuclear missiles", without realizing, it's already too late. The time for action was five years ago. They clearly have the funds and a source of materiel and expertise. NK will have nuclear missiles capable of striking the lower 48 United States. And strictly speaking, NK can already target the United States of America in two different states using ICBMs.

When Kim filled the keg with powder and got out his box of matches, no one batted an eye. Now that he's lit one, everyone is scrambling to stop him. But it's too late. If we cared when it really mattered, we could have prevented this. But those days are long past now.

>>132360613
>It's only a few hundred more miles until they can hit the west coast
Based Kim will soon annihilate California, New York, and DC
they're testing two more new ICBMs this summer too

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>>132360807
Could be a long summer for the norks.

>>132360805
I really want the norks to attempt to nuke us, but have it detontate in indo instead.

Also does anybody know if aus has anti ICBM weapons or do we justbrely on the burgers?

>>132360805
Appalachian mountains looking good.

>>132360805
>suddenly NK nukes the mid east
>we were just kidding america

>>132361011
US won't do a thing, nor can they do anything at this point, neither the Chinese nor the Russians will allow it. The Chinese are in all likelyhood covertly aiding the North Korean program
Norks have basically made themselves Liberation-proof

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>>132360805

>But it's too late.

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>>132360440
It wouldn't matter what state it hit. As soon as we detect any kind of legit missile headed towards anywhere under the US umbrella (Guam and shit), that's it. It's Game Fucking Over for NoKo.

Alaska is right where the GMD interceptors are stationed, I'm sure being near the intended target is probably their optimal angle for interception.
>>132361384
War in a year, China and Russia will cooperate.
>>132361239
Fuck off we're full

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>>132358476
>arc trajectory for a flat planet

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>>132360805
>If we cared when it really mattered, we could have prevented this.

Big announcement!!!! Itd happening!!!


https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/04/north-korea-missile-test-pyongyang-wheels-veteran-newsreader/amp/

What's in Alaska worth starting a war over?

>>132358476
They would have to cross Russian territory to hit the US. I wonder if the Russians would have something to say about that?

>>132361707
your mom's pussy is so loose she couldn't detect tsar bomba heading in to central texas

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>>132361798

what are you talking about smuglet? look at the angle on the dotted projected trajectory; it's less than 45 degrees. they weren't assuming the earth was flat.

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>>132362128
The United States of America, jack. That's what.

>>132361748
I thought we were going to war on the 7th of this month.

>>132362128
The US is the US mate. OK fine there's a crazy amount of mineral resources there, which is part of the reason we bought it.

But it's the US and that's all there is to it.

>>132361798
Wow, that's some hot propaganda. So, same as always, he can basically hit the Aleutian Islands

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>>132362153
Ok tough guy.

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>>132361214
Australia doesn't have any dedicated missile defenses of its own. The most you have is a single Air Warfare Destroyer, Hobart, which may be capable of missile defense but not against an ICBM. Technically the SM-2 interceptors have a chance of hitting an ICBM as it reaches the end of its arc but it's highly unlikely, especially if the AEGIS system installed on the ship isn't fitted for that. Also, you only have one ship, which was made more for defeating anti-ship missiles in the first place.

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>>132358476

On no they're going to hit an empty forest with 1 or 2 hicks in it...

>>132361912
>"As a dignified nuclear power that possesses the strongest intercontinental ballistic rocket, which is capable of hitting any part of the world and of carrying a nuclear weapon, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea will terminate the US threat of war and blackmail in order to protect the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula and the region", she read


Kek

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oh fuck lol

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>>132362191
>>132362260

Yeah of course it's the US, but what strategic targets are there which make it worth using up an ICBM and potentially getting nuked in return? Aim big or not at all.

China is agitating through the DPRK as a proxy as a warning should Trump get serious about pursuing a trade war with them.

It's all so very tiresome. Trump should just nuke Pyongyang and the DMZ and be done with it.

>>132362301
I still don't get why the UK doesn't give Australia some nukes. I mean, why wouldn't you want a nuclear outpost there? Sure they must shitpost wherever they go but they're pretty proven reliable mates when it comes to war and stuff.

>>132362451
Nothing really. Nailing Hawaii would take out relevant military assets.

Alaska they'd blow up some trees and snow or something, but the real impact would be that they fucked with the US. That's what all this dick waving is about in the first place, and why Trump brilliantly btfoed Kim on twitter last night with more power than an ICBM.

>>132362534
Nuclear proliferation is never the goal of a nuclear armed power. If you have nukes and another country doesn't, and they fall under your sphere of influence, you are their protector. Once you give them nukes they can defend themselves. It would be like the British arming the Arabs with machine guns during the Arab Revolt - sure, it would make them stronger as an ally, but they wouldn't be dependent on you anymore.

Plus I'm pretty sure the US is signatory to many nuclear non-proliferation treaties, and unlike most treaties those are actually taken a bit seriously.

>>132362301
Fug.
Our politicians are fucking cucks, we should have become self reliant in our countries defence after the lesson we learnt in WW2. We cant rely on burgers and bongs forever.

>>132362749
So then why don't the brits see fit to station a nuclear sub or something to protect their asset?

OK, I guess if they're playing the game right they already are doing that and pretending to just have a base in Scotland for the meanwhile. But at some point, as nuclear proliferation continues as it will, it would seem to make sense to establish Australia publicly as an armed and dangerous partner of the free world. Really the only reason to avoid this is to let the Chinese take over the Dominions because you're a globalist faggot.

God dammit I wanted Alaska to be the US white ethno state as no shitskins can tolerate testicle freezing temperatures

Time to make peace?

>>132360440
>oh noes some one can harm a part of my country I bet act like I don't care and that it irrelevant that there's a real threat to my country by acting like a sissy faggot
Ftfy

>>132362451
The point is to deter invasion of Korea. When the US can't just land their troops with impunity anymore, the calculus changes. Remember, nuclear weapons don't have to be delivered by missile. They don't even have to be fired at the enemy's territory. Imagine if the US made a huge Normandy-style naval landing in an attempt to outflank the North Koreans, only to have the entire landing force blown away by a nuclear bomb? This is a serious threat when you're putting a nuclear-armed country's existence on the line.

Furthermore, if makes the aftermath of such a war even less desirable. What happens after North Korea falls? Where do the nuclear weapons go? Can they really all be found, or will a surviving radical manage to sneak one into a urban center a few months later and set it off? Or will they be sold to terrorists or rogue nations in order to fund the war effort? Or could they be put to even more devious uses, like nuclear artillery (yes, this is a real thing)?

Suffice to say, nuclear weapons alone are a the bane of an interventionist superpower like the US because they represent an overwhelming force of fire that can be deployed very quickly. It's hard to harass an enemy and overwhelm them with "shock and awe" when they can blow you the fuck out with their own if you back them into a corner. US combined arms doctrine frankly isn't made to deal with nuclear-armed opponents. Most doctrine assumes that anti-nuclear warfare will be defensive in nature (i.e. how to shoot down bombers and missiles), or a MAD scenario.

>>132362534
We signed the nuclear non proliferation treaty. That being said we are the inly nation who signed it that can ascend to nuclear capabilities without breaching it.
We dont have nukes out of principal or some stupid shit like that. Also if we had nukes it would cause a nuclear arma race in the region.

>>132363366
Invading is dumb and unnecessary. Asymmetrical warfare, fgt.

>>132358476
seattle chicago sanfran DC

do it, kim

>>132358476
You have to remember to factor in the spin of the Earth once the DPRK missile leaves the Earth's atmosphere. If you assume the DPRK's intended target is to the east of the launch site, the spin of the Earth will carry the target away from the missile which has the effect of shortening the range of the missile. If the DPRK fired it to the west it would have the effect of lengthening the range.

>>132360805
Soon there will be foreign missile threat drill followed by a real missile.

This great. Based Kim should launch at the West coast and eliminate the SJW scum in LA

>>132363014
Cos you guise have nuclear subs in the region for us.

>>132361798
How can you believe such a thing? I mean its covered in elementary ffs.

>>132359698
This. Only other anon that into physics. 500 miles is barely low earth orbit

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This has never been more necessary

>>132363438
I think it's about time to drop the NNPT considering that Israel refuses to sign it, is known to have sold nukes on the black market (perhaps even to North Korea for all we know), and the US breaches the treaty all the time by providing free shekels to Israel.

It's a turd of a treaty. Time to flush the loo.

>>132363014
>So then why don't the brits see fit to station a nuclear sub or something to protect their asset?
Near Australia? They could if there were a serious threat to Australia. Right now there isn't though. You're right that it would make sense to empower them but frankly the will and means aren't there in the UK. The Royal Navy is practically mothballing in decay and domestic issues are taking predominance over military ones. As for the US, well, if the US really had to defend Australia they could.

That's the real question though, in what scenario does Australia have to be defended? It's far away and isolated. Almost all of its population centers are in the south, far away from any potential invaders. Invading from the north would be a nigh impossible logistical nightmare. Even landing in the first place would be a troublesome task. And what happens once you do land? The Australian economy isn't terribly large and its military assets, while useful, aren't worth pacifying swathes of desert and mountainous territory, overextending your lines to basically fight an Afghanistan-like war, except it's on an isolated continent thousands of miles from anything. Even the closest potential invader to Australia, Indonesia, would be hard pressed to even make any gains at all, let alone actually win. Australia is its own best defense.

Of course when it comes to anti-ICBM all that goes out the window since they just fly overhead.

>>132358476
That's not a normal trajectory for an icbm. It's not a fucking cruise missile that can reach higher, nor is the world a flat plane where such an angle will result in real increases of range. Who the fuck made this graph and wrote this bullshit?

>>132363711
Dont really want to start a nuclear arms race with the largest muslim country in the world. Its the only reason why im against it. Though there is a bonus we could go nuclear without having to do tests as weve already done all the legwork. So nobody would know if we had nukes or not.

>>132363440
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If anyone wants to force regime change in NK they'll have to either bargain it through some kind of unification deal, miraculously execute a coup, or invade NK and remove Kim manually. In a scenario where the US is trying to defeat NK they'd have to invade at some point. Of course that scenario may never occur but that's my point, if I were Kim I'd be planning as if that eventuality may happen at any time.

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>>132358476
You can always gift it back to Putin, I guess.

North Korea is being used as a scapegoat for predictive programming so the U.S. can attack itself again. 911. Here we go again...

>>132363842
I don't think Australia has much to fear in terms of military threat. Economic, demographic, etc. sure. But what are the real uses of nukes anyway? There's already a tacit agreement that anybody who uses them has just violated NAP and all bets are off the table.

Giving Australia nukes is nothing more than shaking up the board a bit. It's a preemptive deterrent and a statement about securing the existing force projection in the Asia-Pacific field. It doesn't have to be about escalation if it's done correctly.

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>>132364030
Invade and occupy while the Chinese provide massive support to a guerilla campaign
And at the end, the US leaves having gained nothing, since the Chinese will assert influence over the new governing body

>>132358476
And that is the range under powered flight. They could probably get another 600-800 miles if they launched at a slightly higher angle than let it coast after fuel burnt.....granted, this would make it very innacurate, but could still strike mainland USA

>>132359922
It's basing it's assumptions in a geometric model where they just extend the length of the arc by changing the angle. It's literally them adding the length of the of one trajectory, transforming the angle, and then deriving the new length based on that. That's terrible physics.

This isn't even if NK can reach Alaska or not, they probably can. It's that the graph, and the method, is bullshit.

>>132364030
No, you don't have to coup them. You could easily trigger a regional destabilization that forces somebody else to go in and restabilize it.

>>132364127
I wonder how much CGI will be used?
Just like Sandy Hook and Boston marathon, one more link in the false flag agenda. Can you say Crisis Actor?

>>132358476
>The Washington Post
Great job solving their problem for them, you stupid fucks.

Now North Korea knows that they have to launch their shitty rockets at an angle instead of straight up in order for them to do something other than land in water.

>>132364080
Yeah. Best Corea. The gift that keeps on giving.

I'm sure Putin would love that :^)

>>132358476
Yeah!
Fuck you Canada!

>>132364305
That's still 200 miles short of hitting mainland USA, even using bullshit method number 76 here. What the fuck is up with people and being shit at physics and math today?

>>132360805
haha NO DONG

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>>132364463
You think they didn't meant to launch it straight up? What, you think their target is on land?

Don't be naive. They're launching straight up because they have a different target. A target that's very special to the United States. A target they can only reach by going beyond our atmosphere...

>There is danger / in the summer moon above
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqczaF0KT3Q

>>132358476
yayuss daddy slay!

pls make a bigger one

Vancouver will soon be within range.

>>132358476
Well Iran can breath a sigh of relief for now as King Donut is begging to be occupied.

>>132364622
Being this autistic, I was off by 150 miles; well within the margin of error for a weapon like this free falling....

My degrees are in Physics, only basement dwelling fags who took intro to physics in 10th grade HS talk like you

>>132364917
Hardly. Any realistic occupation of NK would escalate the shit show in the ME in such a way as to provide additional excuse for Iran to become a target.

News like this makes me think of that old Terminator line. The nuclear holocaust can only be postponed not prevented. Its only a matter of time before the planet burnt to cinder and no we will not survive on Mars

So the question is why the fuck should anyone be concerned about this crackpot having a few nukes? He won't stop at a few nukes though. The US will not do a thing and this regime knows very well how to do brinkmanship. Nobody will do a thing.

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>>132358476
can someone just nuke this fat chubby already. whatever temporary chaos there is would be more than offset by the longer term peace in the region.

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>>132364000

what are you talking about?

the x-coordinate does not represent a flat earth. it is representing the range of the missile.

pic related at source: http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA576039

fucking armchair physicist trying to be steven hawking yet can't even read a graph

>>132364622
I just did the comps for aus theyre well within range of our entire notth coast all the way down to the red centere. But none of our capitals are in range yet. Except darwin. That should probably be nuked so we can start over up there anyway.

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>>132365470
Good. Fuck Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBXXL2-5a28

>>132365487
But Trump must make America great again.

>>132365763
Israel needs Iran as a foil to maintain its power plays in the ME. Setting that off would result in their apocalyptic end times bullshit, and probably in the form of Israel hucking nukes in every direction for the general suffering of all the goyim around the world.

>>132365178
>Being this autistic, I was off by 150 miles; well within the margin of error for a weapon like this free falling
Even soviet missiles of the 60's could hit a target within a 2 miles of it designated target while free falling because that's what being an ICBM (ballistic missile) is all about. The powered part of the ICBM's flights normally only the first third, if that. So no, an 8% margin of error even for the shittiest of ICBMs working as designed is not within the margin, its actually larger than the very firsts one ever.

>>132365678
Theyre also in range of our iron ore ports and mines. But surely the norks wouldnt be smart enough to nuke our iron producing centres.

>>132360805
Interesting how Korea is placed in such a way so that they could reach all the relevant countries with their dong. Is this a coincidence or did the Chinese plan this all along?

>>132365627
I am fully aware what it represents, the Washington's post description and a few napkin calculations show they all fucking did was what I described here: >>132364322

That's not how that works.

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>>132366030
Destroying Iran is the only thing that can guarantee stability in the middle east. Israel needs to be in charge of that region. All the pieces will fall into place when that happens.

>>132366151
Vietnam has a dong. North Korea has a won.

>Alaska
Literally where? Do they even realise they are part of the US?

>>132358476
Of course the DPRK maynot have a land based target in mind. Just boost a large as possible nuke above the Earth's atmosphere, and detonate it there, in the general direction of their target and hope the resulting EMP does enough damage to justify the risk of retaliation. The EMP effect could not be restricted to any one country and would damage a great many, all of whom would seek revenge.

>>132366350
They have at least two dongs and no wons, according to the picture I was replying to.

>>132366409
Yes, and they often disdain the lower 48 for thinking they should be able to tell them how to run their lives from thousands of miles away.

But it's still the US.

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Now that Best Korea has the capability to launch nuclear ICBM's doesn't that officially make them untouchable? Nobody could even fuck with them before so it seems like they have officially joined the club of "the untouchable nuclear powers.

The only realistic option I see here is a pre emptive strike on Best Korea at the cost of forfeiting South korea. What other realistic options are there at this point?

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>>132366801
Trump and Bibi will drop the nuclear hammer on the Norks. NK and Iran are the greatest threats to our freedom right now.

>>132366801
Starving them. Like we did yesterday, and the day before.

>>132366801
Shooting down their limited missile supply with the newly deployed AM systems put in Worst Korea.

>>132366341
Yes, let's put one country in charge of 75%+ of the world's high quality, low cost oil. You think OPEC jacks prices?

>>132359698
negligible past a few miles.

>Muh North Korean hackers

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>>132359698

also, is there more of that shit when it gets to the airs that are cold n stuff, like can cause trajectory alteration and oscillation of vector?

>>132366801
we've waited for waaaay too long.

>>132366956
Starving them hasn't worked for the past 50 years.
>>132367008
Even if we could shoot down all their missiles there's no way around the fact that SK is going to be cratered by artillery.

I have no doubt that even a single nuclear missile hitting any part of US territory will trigger global thermonuclear war. Once a missile like that hits a major US city politicians of America will not be like how they are now. Imagine that a bunch of Saudis did 9/11 and America began something in Iraq that ended up with hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims dead.

Now imagine North Korea when it does decide to launch missiles will not launch just one but launch several given that this will be their last and final move and not one but several American cities get nuked. I have no doubt that normal politics will go out of the window. Everyone will blame not just North Korea but the country that sheltered it namely China. Therefore apart from North Korea being wiped out I will bet retaliatory strikes will be launched on China as well

>>132361707
>you shoot a bettah with your eyes closedu

>>132362451
>san fran nuked
>hopefully feinstein is there giving some faggots an award for buttfucking more people than any other fags every before
>mecca of degeneracy is wiped off the map

I wouldn't even be the least bit mad. Maybe Trump would send the norks a fruit basket as a thank you.

>>132367156
Once air resistance becomes negligible (say three hundred miles) the spin of the Earth becomes a factor, especially if your target is east of the launch site. 500 miles is pretty minimum to be sub-orbital.

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>>132362128

673d Air Base Wing

In sum, a lot of tip of the spear checks against Asian theater aggression.

Also, Palin's house from which she can see Putin's face every morning.

>>132367370
We've been starving them wrong.

>>132360440
Wyoming is the least populated state in the US actually.

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>>132358476

ICBM now officially confirmed by US military.

This mean Trump's going to bomb the shit out of lil'Kim?

>North Korea successfully test-launched ICBM, US officials confirm

https://twitter.com/NewsThisSecond/status/882288703472902149

>>132367193
Temperature and humidity are main factors for air resistance as they effect density, along with altitude. The higher you go the less air. Barometric pressure also effects air resistance.

>>132367842
Day of grilled gook when?

>>132367370
>Even if we could shoot down all their missiles there's no way around the fact that SK is going to be cratered by artillery
Which means NK is back where it began despite using billions to make the missiles. The one thing that kept the Soviets dangerous was the fact there was little to no way to shoot at their missiles for the first 90 seconds due to Russia's huge size preventing even an AMB from being closer than a few hundred kilometers (even thousand km, if they wanted it). NK missiles simply do not have the space to accelerate enough to make taking them down difficult.

>>132367523
As nice as that sounds, 10 minutes is plenty of time for the rats to flee, even presuming none are shot down.

>>132367394

Rods from God at 0130 across the DMZ. Orbital cannon, 10MT drops to Pyongyang, Mayang-Do Naval Base, and Mount Baekdusan. Also, multiple airburst EMPs across everything north and then absolute hermetic control including air superiority and destruction of anything military moving over the next 11 months.

>>132358476
So it went into outer space?

>>132368108
>10MT drops to Pyongyang,
What thermonuclear weapon you guys have in service with 10mts of power?

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>>132367968
>NK doesn't have the capability to effectively use them
Maybe not yet, but at the rate they are advancing it's only a matter of time which is precisely why the world has to act now to stop them.

There's no good options here but regardless something has to be done and soon. We might get to see the Korean war 2: nuclear boogaloo.

>>132368108
Rods from God/ Sub-orbital cannons? How long will it take to build and deploy those?

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>>132358476
>reaching the most northwestern tip of the Northwest Territories
The Norks have gone too far this time...

>>132361748
Hey Kim!
Look at that map.
San Francisco is probably the hardest major city for us to defend from your nukes.
Just saying...

>>132368360
What are they going to do? Numbers, MIRV, and decoys are what keep Russo-merican nuclear parity. NK has a giant middle finger negating all of those counter-measures before the missiles can even engage evasion patterns.

>>132368452
40 years, with the suborbital cannon being an extremely retarded idea.

>>132360805
My body is ready

good, hope they take out anchorage

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>>132368360
>the world has to act now to stop them.

>>132368693
It would have to eliminate recoil. I believe the Russians had a much smaller system in orbit for a while on their space station back in the 80's. It was much smaller and meant to shoot enemy satellites in the event of war.

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NK could already fuck over the USA by just going underneath. My picture shows how it would work, black line is movement under the earth.

>>132361798
You know what if the us has been running a centuries long conspiracy of obscuring world maps via various methods to psyop the world into not knowing its actual location or shape for security purposes

>>132369044
And I believe you are a massive faggot, but only one of us has any good reason to believe what we are saying, and that's based on the complete lack of benefits of one and the posting history for the other.

>>132369125
Why not just tunnel straight down and launch/drop missiles through it?

>>132360805
NOVA SCOTIA WINS AGAIN!

>>132360805
goddammit

>>132367875

So you think they have both the science for orbital packages of fissile material and re-entry guidance systems? Chinks best not be supplying that stuff in return for molybendum and lithium, along with all of that sweet, sweet gold.

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-is-thought-to-be-sitting-on-6-trillion-worth-of-rare-earth-metals-2012-8

>>132369324
No profits today
https://archive.is/YajOe

>>132363366
>this anon knows about mini nukes and tactical nukes

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>>132369373
My bruh. Happy 4th of July, Nordbro.

>>132369298
In the event of war destroying opposition satellites will be critical, and has been for some time. Obviously it would be better to hijack or disable them but any port in a storm.

>>132368301

B53. That was 50 years ago. No, we didn't surrender them to "inspectors."

>>132368452

See

>>132368360

Also, you really think we need 1052 satellites to watch hurricanes that we never correctly know the trajectory?

>>132369373

You archivin' sumbitch. Good job.

>>132359922
>alaska
>american soil

top kek, it's just a bunch of ex-russians, who cares

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A few years back the USA flexed it's dick with a missile test too. During a meeting scolding Israel and some other country over nuclear weapons developments - a Trident II was launched 100+km into space, held position, did a few flips to simulate firing of MIRVs, repositioned over another target area, did some more flips/launches, and fell back to earth.

Similarly this unannounced test on a weekend in CA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc0_wZat4nI


>>132368301
We were dropping 10+mt in 1952.

>>132358476
Is 500 miles even sufficient altitude for an ICBM?

>>132364305
That is with the coast -

>>132369984
According to my slide rule, if launched at 45 degrees it could land somewhere.

>>132369324
If they try for a high altitude EMP explosion, the issue of re-entry guidance can be ignored along with precision placement. Personally i do not believe the DPRK can reach orbital heights yet, but EMP does not require that. I do not believe they need much outside help yet. Maybe for reducing the size and weight of their nukes, which is probably their biggest problem.

>>132361011
>memegun

>>132364463
They launched it that way so they could have telemetry the whole path. They understand the basics of rocket flight.

>>132369125
>implying the united states hasnt already done this
you remember that earthquake in new zealand awhile back?

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>>132359414

This goy knows SHUT IT DOWN

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Alaska has most of our oil....

Is it time to invade the DPRK?

>>132369969
I think all the big ones have been put into long term storage.

>>132369718
>B53. That was 50 years ago. No, we didn't surrender them to "inspectors."
But you did decomissoned them. 30 years ago. They aren't even ICBM capable, the fuck you smoking, nigger?

>>132369688
Which is easily accomplished by single stage rockets. The cannon offers nothing but a giant target which is easy to predict what it will attack.

>>132359944
what am i supposed to be seeing here?

>>132369984
you are in space 50 miles up, and at 120 miles up there no air resistance.

>>132370190

Don't knock slide rulers. Dudes with starched shirts, fit bodies, obedient wives, manicured homes, gas-guzzling fast as fuck cars, awesome haircuts, and unwavering dedication pushed the reds back into their frozen impoverished lands and put man on the moon with them.

>>132370532
The use of monochrome text mode from a CGA card that somehow got plugged in to a flat screen display, surely using secret best corean technology fenced from chyna and the russian hackers who hacked the election.

>>132369969
>We were dropping 10+mt in 1952
There has never been a detonation above 5 megatons in American controlled territories, and miniaturized nukes has been the main focus of the effort to cram more mirvs. Even the nuclear bombers no longer carry bombs, but nuclear cruise missiles, which don't benefit from giant nukes.

>>132370532
Some widespread computer error, is my guess?

>>132370532
Looks like computers locked down by Ransomeware.

>>132370201

The physics package is their biggest hurdle. Less than 10 years away unless we default on Chinese debt and then it will be next Thursday by 0900 cash-on-delivery. Also, they may be trying to blind us or hit the undersea cables that link up in Seattle/SF. They don't have the yield for population annihilation but they have it now for area denial across DMZ or their naval base I mentioned earlier.

>>132365487
>Its only a matter of time before the planet burnt to cinder
A global no holds barred thermonuclear war will not ruin the planet at all. Only some kind of extreme chimeric virus could do that

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>>132358476

>Dozens of massively populated cities in Asia full of American military assets and their traditional enemies.
>"Let's fire one at a frozen wasteland with a bunch of anti-missile capabilities at the absolute bleeding edge of our range."

>>132362451
I supposed the golden gate bridge would be a necessary sacrifice for the greater good.

>>132370771
From 1961-1976 we had the B41 - 25 MT
the B53 which was ended in 2011 had 9MT
Currently the biggest in service is the B81 which is 1.25 mt

>>132370512
>But you did decomissoned them. 30 years ago. They aren't even ICBM capable, the fuck you smoking, nigger?

General Noriega, please put down the cocaine.

Yes, we sure did "retire" all of our weapons tech after bowing to the European Commission and OHCHR and allowing the UN to trespass onto our restricted bases.

>>132371210
Pittsburgh already has a smaller copy of it the designer built to test the design before scaling up, and it's painted gold (actually yellow) because football. No big loss.

Don't even have to pay a toll to use it.

>>132358476

>holy shit

Listen you asshole, fuck North Korea and fuck anybody talking about them as if they have any power ffs. You cock suckers constantly talk about this shit hole of a country. If someone didn't know any better they would think you were talking about some super power, when they aren't even that.

>>132370992
>>132370992
It is very hard for us to default on debt when we can coin more dollars at will.

Why won't Trump do something about this? Is he a beta cuck?

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>>132370771
>There has never been a detonation above 5 megatons in American controlled territories
10mt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Mike
15mt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo
13mt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Yankee
and so on...
The US loves blowing shit up.

As for 'miniaturized nukes' - well it doesn't take a lot of physical space for mt yields with a fusion device... But the US has made over 35,000 nuclear payloads to date. Some small, some big - but we've been churning them out continiously since 1945. Obama even approved funding for more development. Anyways, you'll never know the exact payload of a B2 ... much less a shitposter from Pananananama


Lockheed Martin > all historical armies combined

>>132369125
Clearly this picture doesn't display the great A'tuin and the four elephants on his back that hold up the disc-world, obviously a mock trajectory, please leave this board for serious posts.

>>132371400

Thank you Dr. Krugman for your contribution and late entry into this thread.

>>132371640
Shut up and pay you goyim loan debt so I can get more lox for my bagel. Or I'll break your damn window to make more money!

>>132371640
China will default on there own debt long before the US will.

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What would happen if the Nork's missile fucked up and ended up hitting Russia instead?

>>132371998
Yeah, after they own Canada, Australia, Africa, half the US, and have rights to all our IP.

>>132371454
those werent USA controlled places

pls norks dont bomb me I didnt do nuffin

>>132371371
Its entertainment in the same way Kardashians are. Stupid, pointless and ridiculous yet idiots keep on watching.

North Korea is a threat only to the neighboring countries, whoever thinks they have the technology or the ballsacks capable of directly attacking USA is an idiot.

USA can wipe the off the map in a matter of hours ( and I am being generous here).

>>132371998
What debt? Are there PRC bonds on the market?

>>132371454
whats in that pic?

>>132372359
Zyzz liftan from space

We're all gonna make it brah

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>>132358476

Good can they aim it at this fucking thing so the government will stop fucking up the weather and mind controlling my entire generation into retarded faggots?

>ICBM
>real
Choose 1

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>>132371965

Only a fucking Jew would think, "hey... bagels taste great, now let's smash some undercooked, oversalted fish onto one." BREAKFAST!

What is it with you people and your shitty fish creations?

>>132372100
I guess you missed that China debt was knocked down to A1 this year, not only is the national debt high, Corporate debt in China is 170% of GDP.

People (AKA (((they))) ) are worried about a China defaulting and sinking the economy, not the US economy.

North Korea does not have the means to strike the US,they have to means to devastate Japan and South Korea though with short range missiles.They also have chemical weapons which they can place on the tips on their missiles maximizing casualties.Since China does not want a refugee crisis on their doorstep why not just drop all the moabs in the US arsenal on North Korea and leave them alone in the South China Sea so they can cooperate with us in the Korea Peninsula Crisis.There must be a strong pre-emptive strike against north korea to take down as much of their firing capabilities and missile silos and the massive firebombing of Pyongyang to take down their command and control centre.

>>132371998

I don't see how unless we forfeit all of their money-laundered real estate acquisitions across California and New York. Of course to do so would devalue the hell out of that key market.

>>132372535
>(((Manischewitz)))
Fuck you goy it's a German name.

>>132372194
4.3 Trillion USD directly, but china state banks own trillions more in debts.

>>132372619
Sorry, I meant government issued bonds/notes, not corporate bonds, even though those corporations are wholly owned by the PRC government.

>>132372739
>>132372739
>>(((Manischewitz)))

Sounds like the name of an Nazi industrialist who created an ash grinder at Bergen-Belsen.

>>132358476
let them hit us. i need a reason to enlist, kiss my past life goodbye, and get sober, doing something good and helping folks.

every day i wish for something to happen so that i can stop livingng this putrid existence ive created for myself.

>>132372718

The reason why they are buying real estate is that they are trying to get money out of China before it implodes do to bad debts. If the mainlanders can force sales is to be seen.

>>132361384
You think the Chinese and Russians want a war with the US, or anyone else, for that matter?

If anything, they'll be the ones to intercept any attack made, regardless of target. All the important people in China are making too much money with the global market staying as it is. They're not going to risk their overseas investments on behalf of a glorified stepping stone.

>>132373053
AND WE HAD TO INHALE THOSE ASHES

THERE WAS NO DEPTH TO WHICH THE NAZIS WOULD NOT SINK. MY UNCLE MOESHE CHOKED TO DEATH ON THOSE ASHES, AND THEN HE WAS THE NEXT IN TO THE OVEN AND I HAD TO BREATHE HIS ASHES.

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>>132372118
The Marshall Islands (Enewetak atol specifically) were under US control after WWII until ~1980.

>>132372359
Lockheed's 'multiple kill vehicle'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwcQoTN4Tc

>>132373079

let's be real you would be like 90% of guys who kind of pulls their head out of their ass in basic but reverts back into a shitbag the minute they regain the privilege of enough time off and freedom to consume alcohol.

i mean god bless you if this isn't the case but let's be real...

>>132359944
What kind of store has seats for their employees?

Kim isn't going to nuke anyone. Their nukes are just blackmail to replace the current "massive army and artillery pointed at seoul" as even the chubby leader understands that this is the cheapest option. A nuclear MAD is far cheaper and more effective at keeping the chubby leade rin power. The freed up resources and manpower will be used to enrich N. Korea (mainly by renting out korean's for slave labour).

>>132372359

it's called a Multiple Kill Vehicle, it uses directed thrust to intercept ICBMs by just smacking into them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM

>>132358476
>WaPo
To fly that low the missile fuel storage would need to be outrageous and the warhead would have to be the size of a baseball.

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>>132361239
Pennsylvania will become a safe haven.

>>132373442
I was a bit shocked when I found out my office had paid about $800/chair after kvetching so hard about having to cheap out on everything. And then the chairs all started breaking.

Yeah chairs are important if you're going to be housing desk jockeys, but holy shit.

>>132372946
They owe trillions in Government issued bonds that have been marked down to A1 rating this year.

In addition, there are trillions more in bonds that are implied to to be government bonds issued by Chinese government owned banks.

>>132373239

They can't. What is interesting is what will happen to the Three Gorges Dam and HK if things go south. Also, their investments aren't real money.

I do wonder how much gold and paper China actually holds.

>>132373440
thank you for the encouragement. idleness is the devils workshop.

>>132363366
The US would never, ever consider invading NK because it would be extremely unpopular with your allies and there would be a 99% chance that China would counter invade to claim as much territory as possible, which would probably end up with the US and China shooting at each other, if not going to war.

The real reason that the nuke exists is twofold:
A) To protect NK from Chinese invasion or "regime change" attempts. This is by far NK's most serious worry right now and the reason that China has been talking tough.
B) To protect NK from getting drawn into a war or used as a beachhead in the event of a conflict between China and the US or Japan.

>>132373616
No it wouldn't, space is 50 miles up, over 120 miles up there is no drag.

>>132358648

doesnt matter

this is the excuse we need to nuke those gooks

or at the very least, MOAB their shit

>>132373815
They can force sales by holding families hostage and not letting them overseas till tax payments are made. Many countries in crisis has done the same for people trying to leave.

>>132373815
China has been strategically targeting gold mining, so existing holdings, whatever they might be, are not the entirety of the typical long game they play.

Water, though, I might propose, is a bit more interesting.

>>132373689
I was aware of the implied bonds but not the government. Will do some googling on this.

>>132372064
It'd look like china intentionally dropped a nuke on russia

>>132374077

Can't they nationalize personal holdings instead of doin that? One pen stroke and millions of people are now back in line with Mao and his little book - and government all strong. Chyna

>>132374169

I think they are mining into NK and that is why they haven't swatted them like the annoying little pest they are.

>>132361384

sanctions on china will solve that problem

>play ball or your gook money is worthless

>>132373815
About a trillion in U.S. government paper. Major purchaser of gold and silver. Not aware of published figures on reserves of metal.

>>132374451
Why would they swat them at present? It's political proxy football alive and well for the time being.

That's like wondering why Russia is, as usual, sitting back and laughing because it doesn't need to care.

>>132373958
Let us not forget gravity.

>>132371998
>China will default on there own debt long before the US will.
Defaulting on debt owed in a currency that you can create more of on command.

People buying US Treasury Bonds are the real fools.

>>132364747
>Dem digits
You should put that in the next September thread.

>>132361332
best timeline
it was just a prank
deus vult

>obama let ISIS grow

>obama let NK grow

Trump will fix it.

>>132374588

Drawing too much attention to Southeast Asia and exposing Chinese military expansion.

>>132375018
US debt is in dollars
China debt is not all in Renminbi

>>132374852
Yes, but the wopo match is not incorrect, the newtons it takes to do the launch they did will provide a range as they are showing.

>>132375390
Everybody who's not a nigger on the Jew plantation already knows about Chinese military expansion. Letting Kim steal the stage and letting the communists in the USG fall for it and the administration have to virtue signal about it is a great move for the Chinese and Russians both.

>>132375018
U.S. Constitution does not allow default, and the U.S. never has. The U.S. Government can no longer create currency. Congress has delegated that duty exclusively to a private, non-profit corporation.

>>132375732
>what is the continental
The entire Federal Reserve system is a de facto default ya dingus. It's just Jew tricks to get around other Jew tricks that are dubiously part of the Constitution.

Why are the goyim so easily lead like lambs to the slaughter?

>>132358476
>here's how north korea can still win

>>132358476
What exactly does North Korea gain out of constantly doing these tests?

They KNOW we can intercept any junk missile they fire and it would give us the right to turn the entire fucking country into an irradiated smoldering crater and there would be absolutely nothing they could do to stop it.

It boggles my mind that Kim is this insane. What more China isn't trying to stop this lunatic from provoking us. Do they think we are not going to nuke his little shithole just because it borders China? I would think they would invade themselves and dispose of Kim to prevent nuclear war.

>>132374451
The CCP is only holding things together because prosperity is making rich people's aims align with those of the party. If and when people stop making money the CCP's powerbase will disappear overnight and there will probably be a regime change. Nationalizing property is unthinkable because neither the common man, monied elite nor even the party believes in actual communism anymore and it would be viewed by everyone involved as a disastrous betrayal.

>>132375361
kek

>>132375667

Not a long game to play.

Wings will touch. Radars tripped. Chink boats will crash into USN boat and then...

>>132358476
>NK successfully tests WW2 era missile technology
>"holy shit"

Nigger, please. Have you newfags forgotten the US's strike capabilities? We can hit literally anywhere on planet Earth with ordinance. The ONLY reason we haven't pushed that chubby cheek cherub's shit in no lube yet is because SK would be attacked, thats it.

>>132376341
>implying that's not part of the plan
What part of global trotskyite revolution haven't you caught on to yet?

>>132376203
>either the common man, monied elite nor even the party believes in actual communism anymore

Not sure about that. The polluted peasants in the steppes still revere it. They are the statistical majority and ironically could usher in a real cultural/agricultural revolution throwing China into a true communist state. This would take 1/3 of the world's economy/population and send it back to the year 1314.

>>132376116
you're the retarded one here, not Kim. the entire western world wants to wipe him off the map, this is his insurance plan.

>>132375732
Incorrect - the Treasury can cannot issue new bills, but they can issue coins.

There is nothing stopping in a emergency the treasury department making a 1 million dollar coin and depositing it in a bank and then writing checks off it.

>>132376472

It has already happened since they forced down that P-3 orion. Remember that? Also, that wasn't a Chinese registered cargo ship unless those now come with really sharp ears now.

>>132364595
>>>132358476 (OP)
>Yeah!
>Fuck you Canada!
It can also hit Australia, but Kim Jong when informed of this, said "I fee-ew bad enough for doze stoopid kangaroo nigger.. awww swetty and sheeit"

TRY IT

>>132376865
This is just me and tea leaf reading, but it seems like there are enough orthogonal force vectors that have been building for long enough that we're going to enter a state of conditions within which it makes sense to start revealing the state of modern weaponry.

That's kind of why I'd been advocating for publicly having Australia represented as a nuclear power. You might as well get out in front of the situation with artificial brinksmanship in order to forestall something worse.

>>132376745
The Treasury would have to get permission to make a million dollar coin from Congress, and Congress would have to get permission from the Federal Reserve Board. Congress still has the authority to coin money up to a one dollar coin. Over that they need permission.

>>132377364

Look what happens at Pine Gap. It ain't dingos fucking 'roos.

>>132376116
The nuke song and dance is designed to alert potential invaders such as SK, Japan, US and especially China that even though they can beat up NK, NK can still knock out a few teeth and make it not worth their while.
Pay special attention to the fact that China does not have a effective anti-missile program, while NATO has multiple anti-missile systems in the area and you'll see what their true game is.
NK has been a very useful buffer state between China and NATO for the last 50 years, but now China has decided that it wants Asian clay and the Kims realized pretty quickly that NK is a perfect storm being politically isolated, a very soft military target and very easy to produce a provocation for invasion/annexing.

>>132373442
Like every country except America doesn't require stationary people to stand for zero reason. We have this bizarre need to see people suffer, even just slightly, as they work. It's like necessary for us to accept them as "working"

>>132377480
Congress wouldn't need permission. As many Federal Reserve Jews have correctly stated, Congress has the power to do whatever it wants.

Like not put the faggot kike pedo (((Barney Frank))) in jail after he publicly threatens to name the pedos.

>>132377480
31 U.S.C. § 5112 allows the minting of platinum coins of any value anon.

>>132362140
Russia would be able to see the missile and will think that its going to hit them so Russia will just shoot it down

>>132377588
I think the real buffer between China and Nato is the Pacific Ocean going east, and west it is russia. Go north and it is the Arctic Ocean and south a whole bunch of Oceans. Not sure how DPRK enters into this. U.S. involvement with RK is not really a NATO issue, even though the U.S. is a NATO member.

>>132377737
Congress doesn't need permission, the treasury department does. Generally what coins the treasury can issue is limited by law. However Platinum coin can be a 1 trillion dollar coin if the treasury deems it suitable.

>>132373888
Checked
Nice digits

>>132377580
Yeah but it's all about control of public perception. Most people don't equate Australia with having nukes.

That's the kind of thought pattern to break if we're going to try to derail the crazy train.

>>132359414
Have they considered air resistance? A high trajectory out of the atmosphere is going lose much less energy than a low trajectory through the atmosphere. You can't just use physics 101 to calculate the trajectory.

>>132378091
All the Treasury needs is an EO. Or, as we've been seeing, no permission at all.

Not to belabor the point, but if we want to make this look good we can just let the president replace some fed govs with favorable actors and strongarm them a bit. Probably better for stability that way anyhow.

>>132376648
>The polluted peasants in the steppes still revere it. They are the statistical majority

10 years ago they were, these days most people live in cities and rely on manufacturing and construction. The next political system in China is almost guaranteed to be form of plutocracy once the CCP's legitimacy finally unravels and the provincial leaders and monied elites step up.

>>132370532
nervegas

>>132377737
Congress has the power to delegate its authority, and it did so to the Federal Reserve in the 1930's in the form of a legally enforced charter . The Charter can be changed but not easily or at will.

>>132378473
The power to create is the power to destroy. The Supreme Court already ruled on that vis-a-vis the bullshit Obamacare clause about it not being possible to repeal.

But that's Jewish lawyer nonsense. It's not a practical avenue anyway.

>>132359698

That graphic is probably based on the specific orbital energy. Once you know the semimajor axis of the test launch orbit, you can immediately derive the maximum ground range achievable for the same orbital energy. Drag losses from depressing the trajectory will reduce the range somewhat, but that graphic probably doesn't take that into account.

>>132362128

Ft. Greely, where most of our GMD interceptors are located.

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>>132360805
Front lines!!

Still not far enough

>>132360805
Worth noting, this means both Bush and Obama shouldve done something about this

>>132358476
oh no, literally tens of people are in danger

>>132378803
Drag would be tiny. It only a issue right at the start of the a launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line

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>>132379333
whom are you calling a kike you basterd

i'll get u!

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>>132378087
SK and Japan both have defense agreements with the US and by extension NATO. Moreso, SK and the US are still at war with NK and can invade at any time without having to go through the political red tape.
If the US wanted to invade China, NK is the path of least resistance and SK is a ready made beachhead with preexisting infrastructure. Furthermore, NK is only a short distance from numerous vital Chinese population centers including Shenyang and Beijing.
As a staging point for a land war against china, SK and NK are absolutely perfect. The only other realistic strategy would be to convince India to support an invasion all the way through western china, which has some of the worst terrain possible for a land invasion and nothing of strategic value for thousands of kms.

NK is tolerated by China, SK, Japan and the US because its vitally important for the NK buffer state to exist. China doesn't want NATO on their border and China having to move forces through even a friendly NK gives SK valuable breathing space to receive US and Japanese reinforcements before getting overrun. NK existing is useful to everyone and any indication by either side to the contrary is vapid sabre rattling.

>>132380268
Interesting viewpoint. I am not sure that the NATO agreement would extend to this or how much support it would have politically, which would effect the search for loopholes. Better to say that the PRC does not want the U.S. or a U.S. puppet on its borders.

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OH FUCKING COME ON IIM 2 MONTHS FROM LEAVING THIS MOTHERFUCKING STATE HE BETTER NOT FUCKING NUKE ME RIGHT BEFORE I ESCAPE

>>132380268
>If the US wanted to invade China, NK is the path of least resistance and SK is a ready made beachhead with preexisting infrastructure. Furthermore, NK is only a short distance from numerous vital Chinese population centers including Shenyang and Beijing.
As a staging point for a land war against china, SK and NK are absolutely perfect. The only other realistic strategy would be to convince India to support an invasion all the way through western china, which has some of the worst terrain possible for a land invasion and nothing of strategic value for thousands of kms.
Pointless fantasy when they could just invade through Afghanistan.

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>>132381733
Relax at that trajectory you could scramble jets and intercept it. That requires someone watching it from launch though to warn assists about it coming in.

>>132382461
>implying you could scramble jets to stop 9/11

All the recent fuss about the norks is because kikes are afraid of a technological exchange between NK and Iran.

Otherwise Japan is happy because it allows them to justify higher military expending that is actually aimed at countering China. South Korea is not worried because they can be bombed by regular arty anyways. China and Russia are friendlies to the Norks and wont give a fuck. Neither does the US, as the chance of a Nork ICBM arriving at US mainland carrying one of the ten atomic warheads the norks have in inventory is nonexistant.

Every world event has to be interpreted in terms of the kikes.

>>132358476
>He fell for the Nuke ruse
EMP is the answer.

>>132358476
ya, why kill tens of millions in Japan when you could take out 300,000 in anchorage!

>>132361239
Kek, running away faster than a frenchman.

>>132358476
>what is the inverse square law of fluid density?
Missiles lower in the atmosphere can't travel as far.

Also, why the fuck would North Korea launch a missile with an identical trajectory to a thrown stone? It makes infinitely more sense to fire it straight up to 50,000 feet, and drop it sharply down.

>>132361384
>US won't do a thing
The US won't respond to a nuclear strike on a major city? Yeah, sure.

>nor can they do anything at this point, neither the Chinese nor the Russians will allow it
The Chinese and Russians aren't holding US nuclear codes. And China would probably invade North Korea if they gained knowledge of an imminent attack on the US.

The US is an adversary, but they're still a FAR more important trading partner to the Chinese than the fucking Norks.

>>132358476
Russian military confirms it's not an ICBM

>>132384498
And hence why the chinese lost the great war of 2077 in the Fallout games.

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>>132360805
>mfw Norks bomb LA which is full of communist sympathizers

>>132386838
momentum???

they have like 20 nukes, maybe 30 with a lot of luck, can do shit with that, maybe they wil wipe out california for good, i will anime when japan become nuclear shithole, not gonna miss south corea....

>>132388224
>momentum???
If has three question marks, and I still can't figure out if it's a question.

No, leaf, momentum isn't the principle of long-distance missiles, thermal efficiency is.

It's far more efficient to climb out of the thick air than it is to take a more direct route to the target.

>>132363452
He would get a peace prize for ending the chicago gang fighting and nignogging.

>>132359340
source?

I haven't read about USA shooting down NK ICBM. I would like to know more

>>132390861
The source is his ass.