Tell me why these hard workers don't deserve the right to

lol no. get a better paying one if you want more cash. Mcdonalds employees dont need to be making as much as EMT's

>>132323379
Are you implying that they don't work as hard as EMT's? In busy cities and during busy hours we work incredibly hard

>>132323696
nah. im just saying an EMT is worth more as an employee. Mcdonalds employees are a dime a dozen,and if many of them en mass quit, there are twice as many high schoolers willing to take their place. An EMT is not replaceable

>>132323696
>we

>>132324435
So fight for EMTs to get a pay raise. They are irrelevant to this discussion. How many jobs do you think McDonalds workers should have in order to live?

>>132322850
Australians get $16/hour minimum wage, and it only costs $6 for a gallon of petrol and $120 for a vidya game

>>132323696
go to medic school and make 70k+ entry working 8 days a month with a fire dept you faggot

>>132324634
>my wage going up is public interest, even though that will clearly place pressure on the economy as a whole
>any other job is irrelevant to discussion

>>132322850

fast food is suppose to be a job you get as a kid or a first job, not a career you raise a family on. you want to raise a family on food service job get a job as a waiter at a decent restaurant, it is very possible to do so and raise a family.

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>>132322850
Because they don't have a skill that's worth 15/hr unfortunately, and they're going to find out the hard way. Yes, cost of living has gone up, but with technology the cost of no skill has gone down.

>>132322850
Lol the only "white" id the manager.

>>132322850
Support a family? You shouldn't be having kids if you are making the minimum fucking wage. I make several multiples of the minimum wage, but there's no way I'd start a family, since I don't feel financially-secure enough to do so.

You're worth as much as someone is willing to pay you. Get over yourself.

>>132322850
You have the choice to have a family. If you can't support one, then don't fucking have one. You shoveling the economic consequences of a higher minimum wage on everyone else because you're too retarded to be anything other than a burger flipper but still can't handle the fact that other people have nicer things than you is just you being a moron.

>>132322850
Do you really think people will pay $20 or more for a crappy burger?

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If they want better pay do an apprenticeship and learn a trade

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>>132322850
Hello sir, do you want to order? I am you robotic server and will communicate your order to the robotic chef who will automatically prepare your food. Have a nice day, sir. What is this? 15 dollar an hout? I am all for it, sir. Automation is the future!

It's all about supply and demand.
Anyone can work in McDonald's, I once saw a gorilla that could understand English, communicate and ride a bike, who could probably do this job.
When 100% of the the working population is able to do this job they don't need to pay highly, because they're easily replaceable.
This is why professional football players get paid so much, they are the best at what they do.
Same with programmers, who have specialised in a certain language, will get paid more than people who only know java.
If you want more money, get a more specialised skill that a monkey couldn't do.

>>132322850
Do you see how she has to be shown how to serve fries?

That's why she doesn't deserve $15/hour. We're trying to maintain a civilization, not practice some sort of grotesque comedy aggrandizing dysgenics.

>>132322850
>tough job
Nigga I get paid to essentially sit on my ass and shitpost on /pol/ at $12/hr
Anyone whining about making minimum wage isn't trying hard enough

>>132324934
Stop exaggerating. Australia has a high minimum wage, and I bought a large big mac with a coke today for only $12.95

>>132323696


nobody cares how hard you work but how useful it is to others and how easily you can be replaced

Minimum wage is perfectly acceptable for jobs that require no training and I'll tell you why: supply and demand.

Theoretically, anyone could do a minimum wage job, while trades and post-secondary jobs draw from a limited pool of potential employees. Companies HAVE to pay them more or someone else will offer them a higher rate and they'll go work there instead.

The entire concept of minimum wage means you're being paid more than your employer think your work is worth, so be thankful for that.

>>132325015
That's how German humans speak too

>>132322850
>Caring about the niggers working at a fast food place.
>Eating fast food ever

>>132324813

That attitude is precisely why whites are becoming a minority everywhere.

>>132325015

just think some kid could have learned a work ethic and importance of improving as to not to stay at that job long term for $11 an hour...but no they wanted $15 an hour at a place most people spend $4 at and now its an LCD screen.

>>132323696
EMT's save lives, fast food workers increase obesity

>>132325137
This

>>132324750
>people who want increased minimum wage are on minimum wage
This is just incorrect and faulty reasoning to assume that people only ever promote things which help themselves. I make well above minimum wage but if a rising tide is to raise all ships then the tide must start from the bottom.

>>132325137
Probably, but it's not my problem as an individual. Financial security before kids is an important part of living a responsible life.

I'm happy to subsidize their wages as long as they submit to sterilization.

Otherwise, they should get nothing.

>>132325137
>have kids while working part time at mcdicks
>go into debt
yeah sure sounds like a swell plan hans

>>132323696

Its not about working harder, its about skills. Its a low skill job meaning any mother fucker can do it. Want more pay? Go to school or trade school and get a job that requires more skill.

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>>132322850
if your best marketable skill is thawing out burgers you shouldn't breed.

>>132322850
>deserve
This is the problem here. I "deserve" this or I "deserve" that.

You don't deserve anything. You get what you earn. The decision to start a family is a very big one, and also a very big financial decision.

Raising an average child to 18 years old costs about $250,000. If you work at MacDonalds you would be fucking stupid to buy a 250k boat or a 250k car. Does a burger-flipper "deserve" a Lamborghini? Why do they "deserve" to make a different choice with a similar price tag?

Don't make bad financial decisions and expect other people to subsidize your stupidity.

Why DO they deserve the right to support a family? Why should that be a 'right'?

>>132323696

Why the fuck would I work for others when I can work out all day in the gym and marry a jewish woman who will support me for my house labor?


You people are dumb as fuck.

>>132325140
And if the people who control the money don't want to create better jobs for people, then what?
Go look up NAIRU.

>>132325137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E
Starting to look more and more like a documentary every year.

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>>132325137

Hans actually has it right for once.
Niggers will have LOADS of kids on welfare, whites will go "hurr I can't afford it."

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>>132325075
Ok, but do you really think noncucked nonsocialist people will pay that much for a crappy burger? Keep in mind their sales are already falling because people are realizing they are basically eating poison every Mcmeal.

>>132322850
How much does a rent costs in USA. I know it depends, but roughly, middle - class rent.

Minimum wage and equal pay should be abolished. If you work harder you deserve more pay. It also benefits all when more daily product purchases are cheaper.

>>132324813

Found the liberal socialist filth.

>>132325271
And what if they simply aren't there? All you've done is push down wages for other skilled workers.
Perhaps you're part of the managerial class and that's exactly your game.

>>132323379
>implying EMTs wouldn't get a raise if minimum wage was brought up

whew lad, keep on that koolaid

>>132325356
if you live anywhere near a city shitty places go for >$600
at least here in washington

>>132325356
$1200 a month.

Nigge tier is $750.

>>132322850
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/study-seattles-minimum-wage-is-hurting-the-poor/article/2627072

>>132325207
That metaphor means making the economy stronger so that more people can get off minimum wage jobs after using them as a foothold. Can you really not grasp that if you raise the minimum wage it'll just lead to inflation? Good job, people are making twice as much an hour and everything costs double.

>>132325356
Very roughly, $1k-$2k/mo for something that can house a small family.

>>132325137
>>132325396
I see we've found the entitled heirs to small family fortunes.

>>132325356
Depends are where you are.

In some places, $650/month for a one bedroom apartment.

In other places, $1500/month for a one bedroom apartment.

$7.25/hour isn't enough to afford this, plus other bills, and food

>>132325279
Name one thing that's more worthy of subsidization than families. I bet you're one of these anti-immigration people too, blind to the effect that low birth rate is having on the country.

>>132325075

Bitch I live in California and I can get a half pound, hand formed patty on a gluten free bun for less than that.

Clear evidence your country is shit and the minimum wage raises your prices.

>>132325356
You're looking at $1000 unfurnished.
>>132325371
No, welfare needs to be banned. Get these lifelong welfare queens off the govt tit.

>>132323379

> Mcdonalds employees dont need to be making as much as EMT

You are a socialist.

I make 18 an hour working for a grocery store as non-management.

;)

>>132325402
>state mandates that a business MUST pay workers $15 a hour or face criminal charges
>businesses can't afford that due to said worker's job being worth less than that
>businesses go under
>community goes to shit
>oh well, at least we're progressive

>>132325324
except the truth is niggerocracy

>>132325343
So whites should act just like niggers, to save the white race? At that point what's worth saving about it?

>>132325535
>Clear evidence your country is shit and the minimum wage raises your prices.
It's their 'free healthcare' and taxes. Australia is a nanny state like Sweden.

>>132325343
Ah, britbong flag.

Come to the southern US, where whites will have as many kids as anyone else. Will take wellfare and handouts like anyone else.

And then blame everyone else for their financial problems.

>>132322850
it's not supposed to be a career, idiot.

>>132325567
I worked at a Whole Foods once and made around that. Non-union and the owner - John Mackey - is a hard-card capitalist libertarian.

>>132322850
>Tell me why these hard workers don't deserve the right to support a family.
They already have that right, and if they have the skills that are worth $15 an hour, they should be out selling themselves for that. To sit in a dead end low skill job and expect to be paid a fair wage is absurd...Just ask Seattle. If I read correctly, their jumped up min wage is causing havoc.

There is no point in time when a burger flipper or any another non-management staff should be making middle class wages. The reason for low skill jobs is for low skill workers. It doesn't matter how long you have done the same low skill job or how good you think you are at it....you are 1 step away from being replaced at all times.

If you have been given a raise ever, you should be scared for your job.

I got a better idea. Instead of trying to convince me that you are worth $15/hour, go out and get a job that actually pays $15/hr....but no suprise to me, the workers in fast food seem to think they are working some important job that no one else can do....meanwhile high school students who should be working these jobs cannot even learn simple skills because it pays too well.

If these fast food places had any brains, they wouldn't keep a single full time employee on the books EVER. They want a pay raise, great. They want to use the government to forcefully coerce these business to either pay better or shut down. I would be full on vindictive.....12-18 hours a week/employee. No more. If they couldn't live working full time at half that, they certainly won't be doing better getting paid twice as much but at 1/3rd the hours.

At no point in time should the government dictate "MINIMUM" wage. Minimum wage is a joke used by unskilled people as a guarantee of pay. When you bump up minimum wage you create an economic situation that affects everyone. IF the minimum wage was bumped to $15 on a federal level, it would affect EVERY working class american negatively..

>>132325396
Found the retarded who thinks it's a good idea to raise a kid in an environment where it has to depend on your shit job at McDonalds.

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>>132325506

> I see we've found the entitled heirs to small family fortunes.

You don't need 100k to raise a family of 4.

of course niggers like you need 75k+ to drive a fast automatic tranmission car and still get smoked at a stop light in front of your ugly wife.

;)

>>132322850
shitty job to serve shitty food to shitty people that shouldn't eat this garbage in the first place.

Answer is - nope.

>>132325482
"Everyone" will not be making more because not everyone is on minimum wage. Only a fraction of the workforce is. Therefore your supposed economic truism is actually a fallacy.

>>132322850
>$15 an hour

Sweetie

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People in entry level, low skill jobs, like fast food make so little an hour because you aren't expected to really make a living. The job is merely a stepping stone to either live with other people and split costs or use your work experience and education to get a better paying job. If you are irresponsible enough to only be qualified for a mcdonalds tier position while trying to "support a family" your overall value to the country is only worth the bullet that should be shot into your skull. Even though I know this is an obvious bait thread I'm convinced at least 20% of /pol/ actually doesn't understand simple ideas like the quality of work reflecting average wages

>>132322850
Its a low skill job which generally appeals to workers who need flexibility and a bit of cash - if you need to rely on your job at mcdonalds for your long term financial future then you should reevaluate your situation, or be aiming to work your way up as fast as you can - which if you cant, mcdonalds is obviously not for you as it does not meet your needs.

tl;dr if you dont like it, lump it

>>132322850
I worked at mcdonalds last year, no they dont. Those 'hard workers" only have it rough when costumers get pissed. I basically sat on my ass, drank coke, ate free food, took orders, dropped fries into a basket, and handed out food. Oh and the grill area is almost all automated nowadays, and more automation will come and replace jobs if you retards push for 15$.

>>132322850
>Tell me why these hard workers don't deserve the right to support a family.
They do
>Do you think $15 an hour is reasonable for such a demeaning and tough job?
You don't get paid that much in the military, and it's far more demanding, than flipping burgers. That, and every single time there's been a minimum wage hike, the cost of living has gone up.
>Why you may ask?
Because money doesn't mean shit if it doesn't stand for some product, and thus if you have more money, representing the same amount of "stuff", no one got richer. The money just became less valuable.

>>132325528
>worthy of subsidization
>families
Why? Give me one reason why Bill who makes good financial decisions should pay for Shaniqua's 9 kids to go to college?

>I bet you're one of these anti-immigration people too
Yep.

>blind to the effect that low birth rate is having on the country
So replacing American's with Africans and Mexicans is your solution? Encouraging people to simply have more babies is too hard for you? Newsflash asshole, it's not America anymore when there aren't any Americans left. You can't have a 1st world country with a 3rd world population. Ever wonder why American IQ has gone down by an average 14 points/decade? (HINT: Americans aren't getting stupider, we're just importing stupid people and calling them Americans.) I've been to every continent on planet Earth and I want mine to stay the way it is thanks, I've been to South America. No thanks. I've been to Africa, no thanks. Maybe you should grow up and see the world a bit before you spout stupid nonsense, and while you're at it maybe it's time to get off your dad's computer before he finds out you are browsing an 18+ website.

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>>132322850
The minimum requirement for this job is an IQ of 85. Robotics will replace the 85-105 bracket.

>>132322850
everything is premade and require no skill at all

Let's just say that McDonald employees are lucky that Monkeys are not allowed to work in restaurants.

>>132325859

If you make manager, you get 15$ an hour at most fast food restaurants.

Walmart starts at $13.50 per hour.

All of these jobs are easy and if you can't survive on $13+ per hour you need to stop buying shit you don't need.

>>132325926

> more automation will come

Who cares? I cook my own food at home.
Why should I give a fuck about lazy niggers relying on fast food?

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>>132322850
$15 isn't enough. These mega corporations can easily afford $25.00 an hour. inb4 higher prices

>>132326188
>this too
It used to be that fast food jobs, were part time jobs for school kids. Still is like that at places like Chick-fillet

>>132325137
No it's not you stupid fuckwit. The White race is declining because Rabbi Shlomo Shekelberggoldstein plans it that way.

>>132325597
>businesses can't afford that

While non-corporation businesses would have problems, and would likely receive tax breaks etc, you'd be foolish to think that a corporation couldn't pay this.

Stop believing what every hardline capitalist thumper peddles. Major businesses in American can easily pay the $15/h wage, but they will say they won't, because it will take from the wages and bonuses of the higher ups.

I've worked on pretty much every level of a business like McDonalds, and I can promise that they could easily do it.

>>132326276

They can but they shouldn't be forced.

Look at it like this...

Teach a man to fish.

Problem solved.

>>132326403

You can't blame the jews for everything nigger boy.

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>>132325998
>implying
Low IQ jobs are the safe ones, things like construction and social work arent going away. I cant say the same about writers, composers, lawyers, doctors, code monkeys, middle managment and masters of business.

Those jobs are already being automated alongside with software engineering. Why do retards assume that IQ matters here? No job is safe and white collar job even less so.

At this point minnium wage does nothing as automation will outcompete pajeets as well

>>132326276
>inafter higher prices
Yeah, I think a study showed that a $15 minimum wage required only a 60¢ increase in the price of a Big Mac. Then again, Papa John's made a big deal out of whining about muh Bamacare and how it would cost them just over 25¢/pizza or something. What they are afraid of is Wall Street usury, but we can't name the Jew in public messaging in this country.

>>132325985
This isn't an economic issue for you, it's a form of class/racial warfare. At least you're conscious enough to realize it, unlike most people against raising the minimum wage.

Right now this may benefit racial minorities more so than whites but this will not always be the case. As automation picks up EVERYONE will be begging for some sort of guaranteed income, and that is only a matter of time. Having decent paying minimum wage jobs is much more realistic aim than saying we need universal basic income.

>>132326508
>At this point minnium wage does nothing as automation will outcompete pajeets as well
Robots are expensive, third worlders are cheep. Go look up what a robot that can do what sweat shop kiddos do costs.

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>>132326423
I
Don't
Care
minimum wage jobs are minimum wage for a reason
it sure would be nice to make $15 a fucking hour flipping burgers, but we both know that kind of work is not very high value
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY
GET OFF YOUR ASS
AND LEARN A SKILL
SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER JOB
DON'T WHINE TO THE STATE TO FORCE BUSINESSES TO PAY YOU MORE

and stop hiding your flag you giant faggot

>>132322850
Its not about who deserves what. Its not about whats fair. The world is not fair. People should be paid what their labor is worth. Fastfood workers are not worth 15$ an hour and they'll be replaced with kiosks if you force owners to pay that much. their options are minimum wage or unemployment. Pick one.

>>132326448
>shouldn't be forced.

In a perfect world, the idea of capitalism supports this. Businesses will pay workers what they deserve, still remain profitable, and everyone is happy.

Sadly, businesses pay wages that where expected decades ago while making 100s of percent more in profits.

I'm a libertarian, and I argue for as little government involvement as possible. But it's clear to anyone who has not been blessed with a bit of privilege here and there that the American idea of Capitalism is one that supports greed and corruption, and needs better regulation to protect the individuals involved.

>>132325998

Who is going to fix the robots when they malfunction or need servicing?

Grease monkeys.

>it's all women

Can't replace everything with robots, who will the people bitch at?

>>132322850
People wouldn't need to be trying to make a "career' at entry-level positions if they weren't being systematically priced out and replaced in alternative paths by people who broke the law to exist here. Go to college? For what, to compete with every other lemming being told to do the same thing? Trade school? Sure, if our manufacturing base hadn't been sold out decades before to non-whites here and abroad. It's time we take a deep hard look at ourselves and face some realities.

>>132326690
I'm as American as apple pie and baseball, pal.

And you're right. Minimum wage jobs are for minimum wage skills. But minimum wage was literally set up to ensure a livable wage for workers, and to prevent things like we see in third world countries.

>>132324435
>Be emt, make $11.15/hr
>Sign at Arby's: now hiring $11/hr

>>132326657
>Having decent paying minimum wage jobs is much more realistic aim than saying we need universal basic income.
How so, if there really is nothing to do? It seems rather dehumanizing to be told to go sit in a place and do nothing all day, just to keep you from doing something for yourself so you can get paid for sacrificing yourself for... nothing.

>>132326736
>The world is not fair
That's a cop-out. It could be, if we simply killed people who think like you do.

>>132326781
>anyone who has not been blessed with a bit of privilege here and there
Cheers m8. This is a good observation. /pol/ probably over-represents biz and econ students, and other entitled little shits who need to feel good about themselves.

>>132326784
>Grease monkeys.
There are still fewer jobs to go around, and less spend on labor, or the machines wouldn't have been put there in the first place.

>>132327016
>It's time we take a deep hard look at ourselves and face some realities.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is America, we don't DO that here.

>>132326423
Funny thing really. When our province raised minimum wage from $8/hr to $10.50/hr, they dropped our hours by about 30%

Quite peculiar that they still spend the same amount on wages even after it was increased.

>>132322850
I've never seen a nigger get an order right and they think they deserve as much as EMTs

>>132327153
>Funny thing really. When our province raised minimum wage from $8/hr to $10.50/hr, they dropped our hours by about 30%
Who did? What industry?

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>>132327037
that's bullshit
I'm in school right now so I can make $20 a hour nearly as soon as I get out, then move to double that within 5-7 years
all these kids whining about not being able to live a comfortable life at $10 a hour make me sick, especially since they whine to the state to fix their situation when they could EASILY fix it themselves
whining about a problem to authority figures is what children do
adults man the fuck up and fix it their goddamn selves

>>132327104
Was waiting for this.

I don't think the majority of people realize how many 'skilled' professions make below a liveable wage in the first place.

While the argument for $15/h has been distorted towards both political ideologies, the initial idea behind it is to provide an increase to a vast number of jobs that would improve the lives of millions.

I know an astounding number of people who make far below $15 an hour, yet post memes and shitposts on facebook arguing against a wage increase. It's amazing what political spin can do.

The stupid nigger and spics should be doing real hard jobs for $15 a hour . Working Mcjobs in the AC and getting your fat ass fed and making over $ 5 a hour is a crime , its not our job to feed your family . Anyways robots are replacing dumb niggers and spics soon . Bye bye $15 a hour it will $ o dollars a hour soon . REKT bitches

>>132323696

If you want to work incredibly hard why don't you work somewhere else than mcdonalds you spanner

>>132327124
If you kill your employer you won't have a job

>>132322850
>for such a demeaning and tough job?

Worked in restaurants throughout some of high school and college, is by far some of the most piss easy work out there. Half the employees show up hung over or high. Lots of flirting and sex with co-workers. Lunch and dinner rushes could get busy, but I'd hardly call it stressful. etc

They deserve exactly what their labor is worth and can command in a free market. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>132326781

I'm not saying that a minimum wage is bad and should be removed.

I'm saying that upping the minimum wage will do pretty much nothing for the economy in relation to making the quality of life better for workers.

Lowering the minimum wage will do nothing for the economy in relation to making the quality of life better for workers.


>>132327124

> There are still fewer jobs to go around, and less spend on labor, or the machines wouldn't have been put there in the first place.

Who's going to buy all those McDonald's cheese burgers if no one has any money to spend on fast food because there are no jobs to make money?

You didn't think this all out too clearly... did you?

>>132322850
who cares what they "deserve?" they'll get what many of us will get - replaced by robots. they'll just be the first to go. fuck em.

>>132327279
>I know an astounding number of people who make far below $15 an hour, yet post memes and shitposts on facebook arguing against a wage increase. It's amazing what political spin can do.
that's because they know their work is not worth $15 a hour

>>132327279
Our (((union))) was trying to get $15/hr and they gave us $1 raise we were making 10.15 after 3 years

>>132327276
Which part was bullshit?

Because I am in American, living in Alabama.

And Minimum Wage was certainly created to be a living wage, as stated by the president who signed it into law.


Just because (you) have a great experience going to college with a prospect of a good career, doesn't mean other people going to college have the same prospect.

I'm a chef, certified and trained, and for me to get over $15 an hour took a fuck ton of money compared to the decade of experience and work I had.

>>132327472
>Our (((union))) was trying to get $15/hr and they gave us $1 raise we were making 10.15 after 3 years
Sounds like you are in a dead end job, and not a career. Go get a career, and leave the wage slave lifestyle behind.

t: Journeyman Pipefitter

>>132327413
If you make minimum wage you should probably not be eating at McDonald's. Your poor financial decisions are why you are worth so little to begin with

>>132327281
Then those of us who do work and see the bullshit but don't have the poltical establishment on their side because our skin doesn't match the flavor of the day are going to be on the hook, yourself included. Have fun dealing with the eventual imposition of basic income (that you and I get to pay for, whilst still working) or just defending ourselves on the street and in our homes against the growing hordes that will still blame you and I for the imagined inequality that they themselves caused by being here and chimp out.

Minimum wage is a poverty line and it will always be a poverty line. The more you raise it the more expensive utilities, rent, and insurance in your area becomes.

Stop being a stupid nigger.

sage

>>132322850
>deserve the right to support their family
That's not a right

>>132327525
I was a volunteer EMT but picked up a per diem paid gig, I work as a nurse for my full time job. Making 250% more

>>132325814
Then those people will be making much less relative to the min wage workers after they all get raises. Also the whole idea that the raises will continuously rise until it reaches upper management, or higher is preposterous. No CEO is going to let any of that happen. They will just cut hours and be much more competitive in hiring.
In the end, nothing really changes and it is a massive waste of time that leaves everyone who was making 10-20 an hour before at a disadvantage.

>>132327453
So EMTs, Firefighters, members of the police and military, along with the gambit of corporate workers, don't deserve $15/h?

Again, the argument really has never been a wage increase for just burger flippers and starbucks employees. It's for everyone, including the people who definitely deserve that wage.

The reason the argument for $15/h exists is because American capitalism isn't setup to pay fare wages. It's setup to bring in the most profit.

>>132327538

> If you make minimum wage you should probably not be eating at McDonald's

That's your choice.

If you want to suck a dick for $20 to buy crack, it shouldn't be illegal.

>>132322850
You shouldn't eat that food, O.P.

>>132327730
Well it's not my responsibility to afford your poor life choices when you complain you have no money

Fast food work is for teenagers, niggers and lazy dumbfucks. No way around it. Know who makes 13$ an hour? Construction workers in Arizona who work hard labor in 115 degree heat. Know who makes more than 15$ an hour? People who went to school and got an education and have a skilled profession. Fast food is literally the bottom. Where you start from in high school.

>>132327208
That's a management problem. Was the person in charge also down with the homies?

>>132327333
>If you kill your employer you won't have a job
There will still be plenty to do. Co-ops are a viable model. Nobody needs an owner except slaves.

>>132327413
>Who's going to buy all those McDonald's cheese burgers if no one has any money to spend on fast food because there are no jobs to make money?
>You didn't think this all out too clearly... did you?
I'm only saying that corporations would be less likely to eliminate low-skill jobs and hire more expensive, less fungible labor than to simply roll with the new minimum wage, adjust their costs and prices, and keep making idle threats of automation to keep the worst of the labor actions at bay. Or, they would shift to markets that still have some discretionary income to hoover up.

>>132327489
the fuck kind of mindset do you have thinking you'll be making shitloads of money as a chef?
>>132327701
>state employees should be paid more by laws enforced by the state
that's literally the same as congress passing bills to pay themselves more, which is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen

>>132323696
Having worked in the fast food industry, I understand what you mean. The workers tend to be treated like shit by corporate, then down to a manager level, and then by ungrateful customers. So I sympathize and I would agree they are underappreciated.

But with that said there are a couple of things you need to keep in mind. One, there are other fast food chains that offer better benefits and higher wages even towards the lowest jobs. Second, a job like McDonald's should not be a dedicated career path someone takes unless you are planning on fulfilling a full time hiring manager position (the ones that make over the wage you're asking for). Working as a cook, cashier, and in drive through are some of the most mentally taxing jobs that exist that most kids work for pocket change or to have some type of employment between searching for better jobs. Why encourage someone to occupy some meager position long term when it's economically unsound and inhumane in the first place?

>>132327841
>Co-ops are a viable model.
Go stay in one then, free man

>>132326674
One kiosk might cost around 1000 bucks and operating it the whole year is like 100 bucks with electricity ja average maintanance.

It works 24/7, in this case 16 hours aka two shifts. Indian themselvelves take 0.5 cents per hour. Their cost for a year is 3000 bucks.

So yes, pajeets do get outcompeted, also with kiosks transactions are much faster and its easier to have multiple lines open

No matter the wage, automation will claim your job m8

>>132327970
You seem pretty blasted at the idea that your divine guidance is obsolete. Tell me, what year are you in and what's your major or degree?

>>132322850
they don't work that hard. the job requires little intellect. there are basically no decisions of consequence in their loop. it's only demeaning because people that would rather be on welfare like to talk shit to make themselves feel better. it's a job. a shit job, but far more honorable than not working. it was never meant to support a family or even be a primary income.

>>132327934
>the fuck kind of mindset do you have thinking you'll be making shitloads of money as a chef?
This is the same short of asshole, >>132327489, that would rather have the line staff and the executive chef be a bunch of spics rather than hire someone born here to actual citizens because he wants to say twenty dollars. Sure you're not a boomer, because you sure sound like it.

>>132327701

Government workers on paid by tax... so if there is a problem paying these workers it's at the level of the state and tax. This is a socialist mechanism, it's required for stabilization of society.

McDonald's is not on a tax funded tab. They rely on people buying their products.

Again, upping the minimum wage will do nothing to help the quality of life.

If the minimum wage was set to $20 per hour tomorrow... the cost of living would follow through.

I know if I had a retail store I'd mark up everything people wanted.

Enjoy paying $45 for a 10 pack of socks.

;)

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>>132322850
>workers don't deserve the right to support a family.
couldn't have said it better

>demeaning and tough job
as opposed to what, an easy job that felates your ego?

those hard workers should pay corporations to get the job experience they should've got instead of paying for shit college degrees

>>132327820

I run my own business doing landscaping and masonry.

What are you fussing about?

>>
*kind of, *wants to save

>companies will magically come up with the money to pay their employees

It doesn't matter what you think people should be paid. What matters is reality, there are a multitude of reasons why they get paid what they do, and simply forcing the wage to go up isn't going to magically fix it.

>>132325814
>Minimum wage goes up
>Prices go up to make up for loss of profit
>Inflation means everyone else needs higher pay to keep at the same lifestyle so their wages go up too.
Now look where that got us.

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>>132322850
>right to support a family
>right

>>132325528
Why is it important to incentivize the poor to have more children?

There is no value in paying families to breed more poor people.

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>>132327037
>American as apple pie and baseball, goyim trust me
>accept these socialist reforms it's good for everyone, goyim

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>>132328252

Exactly.

They have no idea how capitalism works and think that socialism is some sort of savior for them.

>>132328014
>One kiosk might cost around 1000 bucks and operating it the whole year is like 100 bucks with electricity ja average maintanance.
Low-end POS registers themselves cost a grand apiece, without such things as cash drawers. Add in all that ruggedizing, payment acceptance/processing, and UI/UX design, and you're looking to double or triple that, if not more. Don't forget to factor in all the lost clientele such as old people or the vision-impaired, who will slow your line down at the very least.

>>132328380
I have to agree here. That is as much a matter of values as money. If their values tell them to go forth and multiply, they will, and someone somewhere is going to pick up the tab.

>>132325528
>Name one thing that's more worthy of subsidization than families.
Yeah, families of our own race. Not non-whites beingincentivized at our own expense to do the same things many of us could afford to do if we weren't being forced to pay for them.

>>132327639
>Making 250% more
I worked as a food server for a brief period in between careers......What a waste of a life with that job. Thank god I was able to get into an apprenticeship...that was over a decade ago. I make ABSURD money compared to EVERY ONE of my peers who went to college. I have one friend who is a surgeon, and he makes more. Other than that, I am #2 in my peer group for ability to generate income. Not bad either considering one of my friends is less than a decade away from state retirement, and he won't come close to what I make even with benefits.....Funnier yet, is that I got him that job.

>>132322850
Tough? Demeaning? I worked at mcdonalds during my hard times and my pay was 5 sgd per hour. And the work is far from "tough"

>5 SGD

15 US dollars is fucking ridiculous.

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For all you whiny pieces of shit in the thread, complaining about minimum wage being unfair.

If Mexicans can into capitalism... Why can't you?

>>132328059
I don't have a degree. I work in HOA management and do electronic repair on the side which nets me about 50/HR

>>132328711
That you bought and paid for, enjoy your ethnic food while your own future is sold out.

>>132328711
If they are worth so much, then why is that all they do?

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>>132328769

> whiny college plebs btfo

How does it feel to know I make $2000 a week working for myself?

Suck my cock you runty weakling.

>>132328818
Nobody said they are. They are making money without an employer while niggers are saying they should make enough to afford their weed and malt liquor habit at McDonalds when they can't even get an order correct.

>>132328859
>How does it feel to know I make $2000 a week working for myself?
Suck my own, kike. You're a nobody.

>>132328887
Oh, I totally misunderstood your point.

>>132328818

If they are not making a profit... why would they still do it?

Does it bother you that I make thousand a dollars per month on ebay selling wooden crafts as well?

Go suck off an old man's cock you socialist nigger.

the minimum wage hikes are great for the companies, they now have a good reason to automate, cutting costs immensely, and it's not their fault. they had top do it because of the wages. Liberals whined themselves out of their jobs

>>132322850
Compensation is determined by the market value of the job being done.

>>132328684
>5sgd / hour
why not just go geylang suck cock at that point

>>132328934

> if you succeed with capitalism you are a kike

You're just a future terrorist that's going to nig out on your family in the future.

Watch yourself faggot. Go protest wallstreet more with your guy fawks mask.

;)

>>132325075
That is expensive. I can get a super-sized triple with bacon with large fries and 44 oz drink for 11 bucks from whataburger.

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>>132322850
>why these hard workers don't deserve the right to support a family.

They have the right, they can create a reasonable strategy for improving their economic situation via school, promotion within McD's, entrepreneurship or other methods. No one will stop them.

Why can't I read what's on the one girl's shirt? Is this in the U.S.?

>>132329023
What makes you think I never worked at geylang?

>>132329074
>You're just a future terrorist that's going to nig out on your family in the future.
Laughable, considering I'm not the one who is advocating to import the third world wholesale to protect my own interests. Watch myself? Watch your own self pussy, you want to start something drop your address or I will keyboard warrior.

>>132329146
Didn't notice that, this is in Italy.
Italy, explain yourselves.

>>132323379
why is an EMT making 15 an hour?
That's disgusting kek

you anti minimum wage idiots better hope somebody like me never employs you, i'll literally pay you a cent more than the person who mops because hey, raises don't matter right? Don't like it go find a new job...........................................who if the boss has a brain he'll pay you the same wage........since you have no problem with people making peanuts.

Minimum wage for minimum skill if you want 15 an hour go get trained in a trade that involves more than flipping burger

>>132329309
I wouldn't work for you in the first place because I don't need your job. Thanks, though. I may be inclined to agree that companies like McDonalds or Walmart with absurd profit margins should be forced to up their wage but when you make a federal law that negatively effects small business owners to such an extent they can't compete then you've really fucked up. It's a bad idea perpetuated by stupid people, given that you believe in it I'm inclined to believe you're NOT PAYING ANYBODY FOR ANYTHING.

>>132324799
this is going to cause thhem to hire more staff eventually i tired one of those recently, you can literally get about 10 orders out of one in the same time it takes to order a meal in person........they are going to be getting so many orders trough that they will rather lose money running out of food/restocking or paying extra employees to keep up with the 50 double cheeseburgers that just got ordered IN 5 MINUTES, and that's before the machine glitches out and shuts the restaurant down for the night kek

>>132322850
God awful Bait. KYS

In seriousness, because they will just replace them with robots and there are better jobs out there that deserve the $15.

Also, raising the wage to $10.10/hr only helps bring 900k out of poverty while putting another 40m into it.

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>>132322850
Didly dad gon old sagerino.

>>132329309
>i'll literally pay you a cent more than the person who mops because hey, raises don't matter right?
Are you a chicken? You seem really obsessed with this pecking order shit. I bet you're US under that meme flag.

>>132323696
i live in the city of houston and this is bs. only lunch hour slaved me but that only lasts about 2 hours. but the rest of the shift i just washed dishes and mopped, easy af. sometimes i was not even scheduled to work during lunch hour

>>132325528
>Name one thing that's more worthy of subsidization than families.
If we were talking about white families then you might have a point. There is zero point in subsidizing failed races.
>I bet you're one of these anti-immigration people too,
Who the fuck wants immigrants? The US does not need a single god damned extra person. In fact we would do well to reduce our population by 100 million shitskins or so.
>blind to the effect that low birth rate is having on the country.
Thats what AI and automation are for but cunts like you will cuck and bring in more low skilled beaners anyway. What the fuck are we going to do with all these low skilled low IQ shitskins when the vast majority of their manual labor jobs will be eliminated in the next 15-20 years? We certainly don't need to be importing more at this point in time.

>>132322850
>Tell me why these hard workers don't deserve the right to support a family. Do you think $15 an hour is reasonable for such a demeaning and tough job?

depends. is that the threshold we need to cut off all of their welfare benefits?

>>132329567
We covered that already. See
>>132328575
Automation is just an idle threat to keep wages down.

>Tell me why these hard workers don't deserve the right to support a family.

They do,all you have to do to make it happen is to kick out all non-white Americans(except Native americans obviously), repeal all the bullshit laws that 'allow' women into the workplace (by using diversity quotas and government incentives to let in women the company otherwise wouldn't hire), end all government subsidies for both corporations and welfare queens, end free trade and watch purchasing power skyrocket.

Ofcourse that wouldn't be ideal for (((democratic capitalism))) so it'll never happen. Don't worry OP, in no time the minimum wage will be $20 an hour, and you'll be wondering why it isn't higher because people earning $20 an hour can't afford their $2,000,000 1 bedroom houses.

>>132329469
>muh small business

so if you are a HVAC for example,and you have to pay your helper an extra dollar an hour...........im guessing Lennox is charging you.........triple for the furnaces i guess? since they know you are paying your employee more? You see how that makes no sense kek?


literally nothing changes, accept now young people will have access to a livable wage, meaning you don't have to live with mommy until you are 40..........and then your parents save money......and now you have 2 families doing fine.....and burgers are the same price look at that.

Anti min wage people are simply this: Lazy baby boomers who are overweight, balding and lazy as fuck. Since their lazy fat ass didn't get a raise for 30 years....because they suck at their job....they are jealous that the young girl will now make that wage right out of grade 8.

That is literally the entire gripe about this whole thing. boomers, specifically the men, are jealous.

>>132325137
>>132325264
>>132325343
>>132325637
i have always wondered, what would happen if whites had white children as often as mexicand while st the same time being unable to afford it? obviously a fuck load of whites will just straight up not work at all. but what will happen to the welfare system? will it simply collapse? wouldnt that make immigrants fuck off? we need to start a campaign to have europeans question why ahmed can live off welfare with kids but europeans can lose their children to protective services or hunger

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>>132329212

> you want to start something drop your address

You ancaps are so desperate, but you're fucked as well.

Glad to see the liberal dream is collapsing and their diseased narcissists are squirming.

When are you going to go postal?

>>132329808
>Automation is just an idle threat to keep wages down.

hey dumbass, everytime you click "I'm not a robot", you're training Artificial Intelligence algorithms

>>132325371
Yes I agree. Too many lazy ass negroes getting easy money due to afirmitive action. Seriously the worst employees ever, and the law forces you to hire them, then pay a year of unemployment when you invariably have to fire them for stealing something.

>>132329912
>He thinks I'm an AnCap
You actually might be retarded, and an obvious pussy because you back down when called out. Enjoy your very obvious loss.

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I worked at an electronics store once and it was pretty stressful compared to manufacturing/assembly.

I had to train myself in basic info on domestic-grade peripherals, competing standard operating systems on affixed and mobile terminals, differentiating the compatibility of digital and analog media interfaces and having the explain all of the former to clueless customers who come in, buy a DVI cable, and come back the next day complaining about the busted pins after they tried jamming into a VGA monitor.

Had four bosses, all of which hated the fact that the "grunts" had to be shared, and constantly sneaked around the store to steal you away from your task to do their dirty work as the store was separated into departments and it was set up in some weird ass micro-capitalist complementary product competition system that pits management against themselves.

Working a palette jack, operating rusty 20-year-old elevators, manually managing printers, tvs, and all-in-ones, installing shelving, trying not to kill your co-workers with poorly-stacked equipment remnant from employees long since fired/etc, ALL THE WHILE wearing a mandatory button shirt, long tie, and dress shoes.

Top it off with processing purchases at a register with a point-of-sale system coded in the mid-90's so that each transaction is silky smooth.

I made 8 bucks an hour full-time with no benefits and I'm surprised that I let myself fester there for 8 months.

Sorry for the blog, things are better now.

>>132329938

Don't chu realize that robots will replase huemens and robots will eat all the mac donald cheese bergues?

How could u let dis happens?

>>132330010

You're the one that got triggered over an example of capitalist free market opportunity.

Who are you trying to convince here?

>>132329838
>Anti min wage people are simply this: Lazy baby boomers who are overweight, balding and lazy as fuck
You're right, as far as that goes, but remember, lazy baby boomers also followed the rules, set up 401(k)s, which are suddenly going to buy a lot less real goods if society starts treating its own like people. It's not just boomers, either. There are plenty of young people living on passive incomes who like things just as they are.

>>132329938
Buy a pass.

>>132329838
>so if you are a HVAC for example,and you have to pay your helper an extra dollar an hour...........im guessing Lennox is charging you.........triple for the furnaces i guess? since they know you are paying your employee more? You see how that makes no sense kek?
I see your entire disjointed sentence makes no sense. But let me make an example out of HVAC, because my dad worked it longer than I've been alive. You can get a great paying job working in HVAC but the company my dad managed before he retired went out of business because they couldn't hire anybody to replace him. They couldn't pay enough for somebody who wanted to do the work, because it isn't easy. With this kind of perception of how people are it's obvious to me that people simply want to get by on the easiest work available and don't want to pull weight to go any further.

It's a bad idea to have an economy running on people working at Walmart and nobody else being able to compete.
>Anti min wage people are simply this: Lazy baby boomers who are overweight, balding and lazy as fuck. Since their lazy fat ass didn't get a raise for 30 years....because they suck at their job....they are jealous that the young girl will now make that wage right out of grade 8.
I ran away at 16 and have been making it on my own doing any job I needed to since. With no experience or skills I have been homeless an entirety of 2 days in my life.
>That is literally the entire gripe about this whole thing. boomers, specifically the men, are jealous.
Nobody is jealous here except the ones who want a federally enforced wage that drives small businesses out of the market so multi-billion dollar corporations will pay out a couple more shekels an hour for a larger share of the market.

>>132330121
>Buy a pass.

why? i don't have a problem with it. automation means less spittle in my fast food.

>>132330199
>it's obvious to me that people simply want to get by on the easiest work available and don't want to pull weight to go any further
That's a rational economic decision. Hard work doesn't pay for itself and never will.

>>132330121
no they aren't. They are all divorced, over weight, teir kids hate them, they haven't got laid in 10 years, they smell like literal shit, because they can't wipe their fat ass properly.

I work construction so i see this all day and night, i was working these bums under the table when i was 14

i also notice.......they are all scared of their bosses....to a babyboomer, the boss is daddy...you don't ask for things..or you get yelled at
literally a massive chunk of the work force is a bunch of lazy cowards who can't ask for a raise bc their boss would die laughing on the spot, dudes haven't swung a hammer in 10 years, and would literally get embarassed by your average 12 year old mexican girl in a manual labor job. Literally a guy i work with who is most anti min wage..........had a hard attack running to first base......a complete mess of a man, worthy of nothing talking shit about young kids and what they deserve to get paid

>>132330026
best buy? christ at least you racked up experience. people who can fix computers and have general knowledge about it can make some good money. you could probably flip hardware from garage sales and shit. most people cant even system restore when the antivirus refuses to work. i used to work grocery for 7.25 and it was a nightmare. they always sent me outside to return shopping carts. it was really hot, people almost ran me over, theyd complain to me about stolen shit and car damage, and even accused me of shit. and the beggars kept harrassing me and trying to steal. doesnt sound as bad as you but texas heat left me sunburned

>>132330326
>That's a rational economic decision. Hard work doesn't pay for itself and never will.
It's a shitty economic decision. The premise of the "American dream" is that if you take on the hard labor you'll elevate your level to raise a family that can get by easier after successive generations. You'll never achieve that on McDonalds, sweetie, that's why you'll always be a fucking loser.

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>>132330414
>The premise of the "American dream" is that
you have to be asleep to believe it. Don't you have a bull to prep, you parasite?

>>132330588
>"you have to be delusional to think that if you work hard you'll get paid"
>calls another person a parasite

>>132330654
You're the one who identified yourself as espousing management values.
You're a tool, nothing more. Go back in your box.

>wanting a minimum wage in the first place

lol

>>132330760
>You're a tool
I live pretty well by having been able to market my abilities and I don't really work for anybody except the associations that contract my services, actually. You're the one kicking and screaming for me to support you in begging for a pay-raise so you can make a career out of McDonalds. You're a waste of oxygen, bud, you shouldn't even be alive right now you're such a waste of human potential.

another thing anti min wage people do not clue into

if our society becomes an amazing society, or a white ethnostate like many of you fantasize about.......everybody educated....everybody capable........their WILL NOT be enough jobs that are high paying for everybody. And are you going to tell somebody they can't have a family? A capable educated person? No...that's terrible, especially in the state of our countries, we need more babies........so if the entire country is capable and deserving of family, and good paying jobs, because they are educated, work hard and reliable, then you will HAVE to make "low income" jobs livable, or else you will ave a bunch of well educated capable people........making 10 dollars an hour....so inevitably...in a perfect country you would have to raise the min wage, or deny people the right to a life of happyness and freedom, and that souldn't be an option. so the only option would be giving tem a living wage for teir work......and you can't use the "well you flip burgers" excuse. In a perfect world you will have einstein unable to get a job doing science, and he will HAVE to flip burgers, and he will deserve a good wage.

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My heart goes out to the working poor, as I am one myself. But most of us are trying to improve our lot in life. We either get qualifications or we try to climb the corporate ladder by showing the right skills and attitude. What the people who protest for a higher minimum wage want is to go through life and expend no effort above the minimum. They want to live is unskilled workers all their lives and that is just not feasible.

>>132330922
In a white ethnostate socialized services would make sense. As it stands all welfare services go into paying blacks to raise black families that will continue to not contribute and also leech off welfare. In a white ethnostate working at a burger joint would be a low paying job for teenagers again, rather than niggers looking to work it into retirement.

>>132322850
Not demeaning nor tough. Easiest job I've ever had.

>>132330199
you blew out your point with the last sentence. If big companies can pay people a better wage, ten there is no need for a small business. Instead of the small business paying 5 people 10 dollars an hour, it can close, and wall mart can pay 50 people 15 an hour. And the small business owner can go work there.........since he's superworker apparently it should be a cake walk.

>>132330384
One of the Fry's stores. Grocery seems like it would be quite the struggle; your testimony makes my assumptions an understatement. Working in those positions opens your eyes to the fact that these people are smiling and saying "thank you, have a nice day" when inside they are probably dying. Respect to you, hope you are faring better, amongst the other stories here.

>>132331095
>ten there is no need for a small business
Well then there's no need for a "free-market" altogether. Why don't we just instate a king to run a centralized economy and we'll name it "totally not communism for kids." Having a diverse market of small-businesses keeps innovation and prices competitive. People don't have to take the lower wage job if they don't want, but some will because its likely that, like working at McDonalds as compared to PF Chang's(where you'd get pay more), it would entail less responsibility. I didn't contradict myself at all, you're just dumb.

you assholes are just a bunch of whiny, lazy crybabies.

>>132331019
in a white ethnostate, in my view, everybody would be very highly educated, like i said you would have einstein flipping burgers, he could easily go get a job in a university, but the entire society is educated, and that job is filled.. It's inevitable that people will need a livable wage to raise a family and be happy, especially in this perfect 20 thousand year reich fantasy nation a lot of you want to create.

$15 an hour is dumb because business is not charity.

Besides, the increased cost will just be passed onto the customer and then all prices get inflated and you realise that with $15 you're still poor.

>>132331405
Reality proves you wrong. Look at Japan. McDonalds in Japan can't retain workers because they are all more qualified than those positions. People aren't making it a career there because they aren't lazy stupid niggers like you.

mfw acting like a number means anything in relation to fiat currency.

Pay the bitches $15/hr it ripples up and a bloke who was on $30/hr is now on $60/hr. Rent doubles, and a coke costs a tenner.

Whole argument is a slide. If you want to fundamentally change the disproportionate distribution of wealth, either elimiate fiat and fractional reserve lending, or start talking percentages.

The only feasible way to do it is ensure shareholder rights to employees. Aussies get 9.5 percent of thier wage as superannuation.
Set another percentage towards company shareholding. This gives them more of a voice than a union ever could, and softens the blow when redundancy comes around.

>>132322850
Because you shouldn't be entitled to have all your expenses paid for doing ANY kind of job. In any reasonable economy the employee gets paid for the value they provide.

Also the argument that it should be done because of companies like Walmart making billions in profit a year is retarded. Next time you drive anywhere just look around you, you will notice hundreds of small businesses that only get a few customers a day if at all, yet they will have to pay their employees $15 for sitting around doing nothing while doubling the income of low wage workers will not guarantee the small businesses get any more customers.

You cannot expect that everything is given to you for the mere fact that you're working. Tough luck but there's not an infinite supply of resources to hand out. And no, communism won't solve shit.

>nigger woman
>deserving anything other than a cold boot to the face

>>132331299
bob's plumbing supply isn't innovating anything buying junk from china and selling it, and that is THE VAST majority of "small business" Where i am in canada........small business is a shwarma shop.......oh fuck how could we ever live without ahmaed and his cousins running a sandwich shop

the entire argument doesn't add up

the "work load" "skill level" argument people make doesn't work, because there are high paying jobs where you sit around answering phones..and that requires no skill...at all...a 10 year old could do that. Computer work? Average kid can work circles around an old man on a computer, i'v seen it. So that argument is garbage, the "it will make bread 2 million dollars a loaf" argument is garbage.

What's left other than you just don't want people making more money because it hurts your feelings?

>>132331503
what job works harder than fast food realistically i'll wait...
this outta be good

>>132332088
You're wrong though. It's the multi-billion dollar corporations that are all peddling cheap chinese trash like Walmart does. People avoid the smaller businesses because they end up being a little more expensive because by and large they are selling more expensive products made in America.

I make enough money that I don't need anybody to dictate my wage. I for the most part dictate it myself. As I said when I was 16 I was making it on my own, I ran an IT service and lived in a penthouse condo right off Hollywood Beach on what I earned. I was blowing you min-wage niggers out of the water over a decade ago, and still do now.

I'm just informing you how your economic worldview is flawed, as many others have addressed it throughout this thread. Raising the minimum wage doesn't address the root issue and conflates the problem with the destruction of small businesses. In your stupid fantasy nobody could be an entrepeneur because no-one would be able to compete.

raising the minimum wage is just another way the (((rich))) pass on social costs to the middle class.

Your coke is now $10 but walmart will see no loss in revenue.

Lifting min wage also allows the infinite growth meme to continue through it's inflation effect, so the stock market continues to rise on record earnings, and realestate afordability continues to diminish.

Earn a piece of the pie or make the numbers mean something.

>>132332281
If we're talking about food-service then pretty much any real restaurant. I gave PF Chang's as an example because its far harder, they will pay around 11/hr just for dish washers because it entails more responsibility than any McDonalds job you could get.

At McDonalds, preparation of onions entails dropping a bag of dirt into some water and lifting out rehydrated onion trash.

At PF Changs you have to fresh order produce each and every day(they don't even use freezers) and the people then hand slice every vegetable they'd be selling that day. Nothing gets carried over to the next day. Everything is fresh. Just about any food service job is harder than fast food, and as one would expect they all pay better.

>>132322850
Minimum wage isn't for supporting a family jew

Fuck off loser. There's no such thing as free lunch in this shit world. Live within your means or get a better job, no one's going to give you shit.

>>132322850

I think 15 dollars an hour sounds about right.

So Build The Wall and kick all the spics out and drive up wages.

>>132322850

lol in my county 15$ is whole day salary

>>132329477

We have had them for a few years now in Australia and it's faster and easier than the cashiers and you can use the phone app too, and they have WAY less staff in the shop.

It's not like the amount of customers increases. It just means the same amount of customers don't have to deal with cashiers.

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>15 dollars
Say hello to your new minimum wage
>5-10 years of influx for the rest of us

Don't say I didn't warn you.

>>132332088

Limit migration. It's not rocket science. It's what built our country - Keep cheap non-white labour out, and wages go up.

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Wow I just scrolled through all of the replies and I must say there are a lot of poorfags like me hanging around here.

>hmm

>>132323696
>We
Sooooo, what you're telling me is that you're looking at this subjectively and not objectively

Worked fast food for a year at 8 dollars an hour, fuck you and your shit, they don't deserve anything above minimum wage

Doesn't matter how "hard" you seem to think it is, it's really not that difficult of a job

>>132333211
And all those advocating for 15 post like they're from Reddit, just like you.
HMM.

Negros tongue me in anals
>roll bread

So close

>>132324657
Jesus Christ I hope you aint bragging about that shit...

Gas fluctuates but in my state its about $1.68 and video games are $49.99 unless you buy some retarded special edition

>>132327934
I knew I wasn't going to make money as a Chef going into it, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be making more money. We provide a high quality service for consumers, on par with industries that make a fuckton more money.

And there's a clear difference between police and congress, comparing the two doesn't work when it comes to arguing for a liveable wage increase for one.

>>132325038
cool jap man so you've set the stage up quite well

so your wage sould be determined by how skilled somebody else FEELS your job is, interesting.

So 80 percent of the police force can be dropped to 12 an hour, why not? Just sitting and typing, literally.........a monkey can do that. Hospital staff too, sitting and typing, taking notes, filling out documents....grade 8 level child should be able to handle that, thhey should make less tan 15 then. A plumber.......i mean....twisted a wrench lol, banged a ffew pipes together, i was able to do that when i was about 10-12, it's not skilled labour at all, should be less than 15.

So many i can think to add to the list, since were just deciding peoples jobs are unskilled. Meter readers, around hehre they make about 60 an hour, reading meters, a teenager could handle that it's 2017, they do more complicated shit on instagram every morning, reader meter should be under 15

where do we stop

>>132333564
Given that you cannot even properly operate an ellipsis I don't think you should be giving advice on how much anybody, even yourself, should be getting paid.

>>132325102
i work trades in canada almost all start at min wage unless it's union. What you just said isn't reality. They will start you at min wage.....because there is no reason why they wouldn't, and the min wage is garbage...so they make out like a bandit.

so some of you think only macdonalds starts at min wage?

>>132324799
Czech'd, also that panel looks exactly like those we got in Denmark

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>>132328454
>someone believes that corporations make too much wealth and refuses to use 'trickle down' economics that conservatives and capitalist love so much, must be a jew

Here buddy, I'll even give a screenshot of it saying Geographic Location for you.

>>132333564
it's got nothing to do with your FEELS, nigger, read his post: SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

playing basketball serves no practical purpose and requires no education, but because of supply and demand, retarded niggers make bank.

>>132325137
these dudes backed themselves in a corner. There white ethnostate would ave the average white educated capable man starving on the street because it's out of his control than he can't find anything else other than flipping burgers.

Nigger tier white people in here.

>>132325137
You've clearly never been to US. There are like never white people working McDonalds.

>>132333258
>>Hmm
Didn't read off my gay shit did you?

>>132332281
I can name a bunch of them.

Ever work in a fish processing plant? 12-16 hour days, with one break, and you'll get payed minimum wage for it too.

>>132325279
>the white man needs to go extinct because i don't want to pony up 2 dollars.

you're the problem

>>132325307
because we need more western babies you complete moron
it's crunch time, where the fuck have you idiots been the last 3 years?

>>132333869
>"Nigger tier white people in here."
>Says the faggot who thinks McDonalds is hard work and wants 15/hr to work there for all his life

>>132332565
I can vouch for this. As with any type of jobs, there are levels of sophistication and intricacy. As you go up in levels, the harder it gets.

I've worked every different type of level, and I've worked multiple within each. As far as being in the kitchen, it really only ever gets harder.

>>132331095
>If big companies can pay people a better wage, ten there is no need for a small business
First of all they don't always compete in the same area. Walmart doesn't install HVAC for example. Home depot does but through local contractors.

Also how does the logic follow that because the big corps can pay more there is no need for small business? Big corps can pay more and have high profit margins because many have virtual monopolies in their fields due mostly to government regulations. Buying from a big corp doesn't mean the consumer is getting the best price or the best product either. They can afford to pay more because they have no competitors. Raising the minimum wage only INCREASES the big corps monopolies.

>>132329477
Keep in mind that McDonalds is also moving from frozen, to never frozen food cooked to order. They're going to cut staff, increase quality and most likely price while lowering the cost overall.

>>132324657
So, your minimum wage is twice ours....and your prices are also twice ours. Really gives me something to think about.

>>132334094
Raising min wage only incentivize low skill brown babies. If you want more money in white homes so a man can earn enough to raise his family we need money to stop being taken from their pockets to pay for black welfare and the myriad of other stupid shit WHITE TAXPAYERS MONEY goes to.

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>>132323696
Get educated scrub

>>132334223
IF they can pay people more what is the big deal? We need money in peoples pockets so they can have breathing room to figure out a path to having a family. Doesn't matter whether it comes form walmart or bobs fruit store

>>132323696
Are you implying all these college drop-outs can do what EMT's do ?

>>132324799
Fun fact: when you start your order on these fuckers, it will appear on the screen of the kitchen staff before you pay.
I worked at McDonald's for a summer last year, and once a kid went and played with the machine ordering like 20 of different sandwiches, we made like half of them in total panic from the aize of the order before the manager realised what was going on.

>>132334689
That their population is insanely small compared to ours? That their economic power is insanely small compared to ours? That their exports/imports are insanely small compared to ours? That the cost of importing the majority of their products causes the price to go up?

Trying to compare another nations economy to America's is kind of dumb, since only two other nations can even dream of competing with the US.

Im a CNA and I only get paid 13$ an hour.

>>132334582
i have a feeling they won't be able to cut staff, we have those machines in a few restaurants in my area...........ITS FUCKING MADNESS.

you can get like 20 orders done in 5 minutes literally and that's just on one machine. The entire store is just packed wall to wall now with employees running around everywhere, parking lot filled to the brim half the staff running orders outside

i personally don't think they thought it through properly

imagine a hockey team coming through in a bus, and each kid can make his own big mac ith 1 pickle, half lettuce, mustard, half mac sauce......and he wants 20 of them........plus 5 fries...and the whole team can make their order in 10 minutes.......it's going to be funny when it starts going haywire

also how easy will it be to scam an order?

>i ordered xx
>no u didn't
>how do you know i used the machine and never talked to anybody
>well sir your order isn't in the system
>well your system must have glitched out

think i'll try that tonight actually

>>132322850
When minimum wage increases, everything else gets more expensive. Also, you'll end up pricing humans out of the workplace in favor of automation.

>>132329477
Japan has had systems like that for a while now, anon.

Will there be problems, sure, but it won't fail.

>>132323696
Oh WAAAAAH jesus christ
You don't have to do shit but stand there and take orders. I know people who run a register, take reservations, generally act as manager, and fix, create, and maintain electronic systems that make less than YOU do. You don't know what hard work is if you think ANY position in a fast food place is hard.

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>>132322850
see >>132335271

>>132327279
We oppose it because policies like that damage the economy. Minimum wage raises benefit no one.

>>132335116
find a hospital that does tuition reimbursement. you can get your RN with a 2-year program.

>>132335339
ya you know how hard it is too stair at electronics all day

oh no i have to squeeze my pliers lol

>>132335421
To be fair, policies that allowed corporations to become monopolies while restricting workers rights, unions, and wage increases have been a bit more damaging.

As much as I loathe government regulations, it will eventually have to be done. The ideologies behind capitalism where made for a smaller, unconnected world. We either come up with a better system, or we allow the government to step in and protect the individual from the corporation.

>>132323696
I've worked fast food and they absolutely do not deserve anything above minimum wage starting off.

The place I worked at ran a tight ship too. They worked us on a skeleton crew to maximize profit which meant a lot more work for us and we weren't allowed to socialize at all. We had to be working the entire time we were there.

I do think that the minimum wage could be increased to $10 per hour but $15 is entirely too much. $15 per hour is quite a good wage in some small towns where the cost of living is low so it would end up ruining the economy if it was implemented on a national scale.

>>132335698
you're the problem though
you're a grown man being told you cannot communicate at work, like you are in prison.........and you still don't want more money

.....................

you should be ashamed of yourself as a man....

what do you tell your wife wen you don't get a raise?
"well honey i realistically don't deserve it so i won't ask"

fucking cucks good lord

>>132335929
>you're a grown man being told you cannot communicate at work

No I was a 17 year old kid and I saved up every dime I made and bought a car in 6 months and got a better job just as anyone with any self respect should do. It's just very obvious to me as a successful 30 year old man now that I was being paid exactly what I was worth because at that time I wasn't worth much of anything. I had no skills and no experience and the job was piss easy.

If you're a grown man still working at fast food then you're a failure at life and you don't deserve to make good money unless you manage or own the place.

>>132335929
Your misunderstanding is thinking the anon you're responding to is as stupid and worthless as you that he's still working at McDonalds like you plan to be in 10 years.

Worked at McDonalds for two weeks, quit on the last day of my trial period because a co-worker infected me with a stomach virus, still wonder how much it was spread as I also worked 3 days while being sick.

I applied and got the cashier job right away, manager told me she wasn't so lucky and started off in the kitchen. After 2-3 days you get the hang out of it, obviously I made mistakes, sometimes you have so much to think ahead you forget a coke or the sour cream (and fucking people bought extra sour cream like its liquid gold)
Worst were the nigger costumers, that look down on you as if "finally you are my slave".

At first I felt worried when a burger or apple pie fell on the ground in the kitchen and the guys still gave it out but after some time you start to go with it because most costumers want their food fast and get impatient.

One thing is sure, I will never work or eat at any fast food joint again. Is 15 bucks an hour acceptable? No, this job needs no learning, needs no education, you can jump right in. This job shouldn't be rewarding.

>>132334825
>IF they can pay people more what is the big deal?
Because there are two sides to the transaction, the buyer and the seller. How does the seller paying people more help the buyer, especially in areas where big corps hold a monopoly? Do you not think the price will go up if wages are increased? Of course they will as investors demand a certain level of return else they invest with another company. Walmart isn't going to just eat the loss of higher wages, it will be passed onto the consumer in some way, shape or form.

Also the minimum wage is relative in the first place, raise it and while there will be a year or two of more spending power for the poor it won't be long before the salary increases hit all the sales prices and we are back at square one.
>>132334825
>We need money in peoples pockets so they can have breathing room to figure out a path to having a family.
This is almost entirely a supply and demand issue although robotics will change this in the future. Cut off shitskin immigration and deport illegals and instead of competing for jobs employers are competing for employees. The reason they can staff a mcjob @ $7/hr is because there are too many people who can do the job. If there were less low skilled people the companies would be forced to pay more to entice people to come work for them. Of course this will cause prices to go up as well just like if you mandated higher wages but the labor market would be more balanced. Less workers available = higher wages per worker. More workers + mandated higher wage = more people on unemployment and more people priced out of a job.

The question is what do you do with a person who can't produce $15/hr + payroll taxes of worth for the owner. Should the government force the owner to lose money on the employee? Or should the taxpayers pay their unemployment checks? There are people TODAY who are already priced out of the market who can't get a foothold to gain valuable skills.

>>132322850
>demeaning and tough job
>shitting on people who make your food
>too lazy to make it yourself
shouldn't you be shitting on yourself?

>>132336219
As the saying goes, not everyone gets dealt the same hand, friend.

I've met plenty of skilled, talented, and ambitious workers who have virtually been forced to keep a certain minimum wage job due to wide range of factors.

I'm a fucking chef, but even with ten years of experience of training under chefs, no one would hire me as a chef, or at pay deserving of my experience and accomplishments, until I payed a rather large amount of money to go to classes to be yelled at by a 23 year old who probably still gets payed more than me, because his parents could afford to send him to culinary school straight out of high school. Instead of someone like me who's had to have a full time job since the day I turned 16 just to be able to eat food everyday, and spent over a decade working six day workweeks, and literally spans of years of living paycheck to paycheck, just to start making over $15/hour.

While parts of the system run well, there are a lot of the parts of the system that everyone forgets exists, and everyone forgets the sheer amount of work, sacrifice, and pain that some have to go through to be able to make a liveable wage in their chosen profession.

>just get a different profession

If it hasn't already become obvious, you'll one day find out that the majority of people really are only good at one thing. A driver with the natural feel of the road could also never be able to understand the mechanics of a car. A person might not be great enough at anything besides being an EMT, and they won't make a decent wage until they pay for classes after already being certified as an EMT. And those classes cover a lot of the things they covered and learned on the job.

$15/hour is the ideal wage increase, based on the actual data taking into account population, workforce, increase in profits, increase in wages, and even inflation. But it isn't the realistic goal. Others have said it, but $10 would be the one to go with.

>>132336496
While we disagree on the last part, the rest of it was golden.

People seem to forget or ignore how much shit a worker in a place like McDonalds has to deal with from customers alone. Homeless, people who don't speak English (Not just spanish, but a fuck ton from the world who recognize mcdonalds in the US), ratchets, extremely religious people, little kids, old people, ratchet old people, mentally insane, criminally insane. The literal shit you will eventually have to clean up, because I haven't talked to one person who worked at McDonalds for a decent stretch of time who hasn't.

>>132322850
>brainless, replaceable burger flippers need more money
>those failures should be allowed to reproduce
Fuck off. Anyone who works there past the age of 25 should consider suicide anyways.

>>132322850
Fast food work is for teenagers and literal retards. If you can't work your way up and out of the lowest skill job available, why should you be rewarded?
Only idiots think fast food work should be enough to support a family.

>>132324799
Id love to have that where I live. Being a neet myself, I hate when I see people working for me.
Id go out eating more often.

>>132337269
have you thought about moving? What region are you in? I have moved 15 times in 20 years chasing higher wages/responsibility before I waifu'd up and I'm now in the 1%. Had I stayed in my hometown/state I would be barely scraping by.

>>132337269
>just to start making over $15/hour.
Not to be rude but didn't you look at the wages before you decided to go into that field? It's not as if chef wages suddenly plummeted. I mean fuck, I made $20/hr at the Olive Garden as a server 18 years ago and I wasn't working in the hot steamy kitchen. My guess is that it is one of the few jobs in your area that was available to you.

Forget about classes, how much time are YOU investing in YOURSELF? Are you spending your spare time fapping or getting your hands on and reading every culinary book out there? How many hours per week do you spend on youtube doing research improving your culinary skills? Or are you spending your time on pornhub? Your biggest issue is prob location though.

You probably think you're too old for this but find a mentor. I'm not suggesting that you need mentoring (although it never hurts) the point is they are the mavens who will connect you with a better job. The only issue I see is chefs work ridiculous shifts and have little time for a social life outside of their immediate co-workers.

>>132324657
Standard or Imperial gallon?

>>132322850
You shouldn't be having kids on a minimum wage job, that being said 40 hours a week at minimum wage should still support yourself.

A 16 yr old doesn't need to support themselves. If you're still working a min pay job at 17 there is something seriously wrong with you.

>>132322850
Where the fuck do these people live where the best job they can get is some fast food shit? Even people with just GEDs can get hired into a warehouse, learn to operate equipment and then pursue other jobs that pay higher. I operate a sit down forklift and those jobs can hit up to around 25$ an hour if you get into somewhere good which typically only requires 5 years of experience or so. Only place a fast food bitch is going to lead is a manager of a fast food dump and that'll still get you shit wages.

>>132322850
HOW The fuck is it demeaning?
Do they honestly think they're above bottom-feeder work, when they're clearly bottom-feeders?

>>132322850
They deserve $15 an hour (5 dollar increase in CA at least) but every other worker should get a wage increase too. Meaning if you're currently working a job that pays $20/hr, you should get $25/hr.

The problem here is this: Will the prices go up along with the wages?

If it does, then it will basically continue the trend of the income/wage gap. It also will continue the trend where wages will flatline as prices of goods increase via supply and demand.

Do a tiny bit of economic research or watch some documentaries and you will see how bad our economy actually is.

>Lol says the poor fag
Let us be real here, we're all actually a poorfag. The top 1% owns more than half of this nation's wealth.

>>132325926
automation will come regardless since its a lot cheaper then an employee

Live in CA here

Work retail

New min wage increase just took effect, quick TLDR

>all part time and menial employees get min wage increase
>everyone above min wage wont see increase in the next year
>corporate interested in trying to float manager only stores
>the starting pay for a MT is now about 50 cents more what min wage used to be

So let me ask, why take on part time retards and kids. When you can discriminate and pick people who need the money, or cant afford to shop for a job.

>>132322850

New studies from Washington State are indicating that impoverished workers are actually making less money since the minimum wage increase. And this is entirely predictable if you know anything about a business.

Sure, McDonalds and Walmart can afford to pay a huge wage increase, but most businesses aren't McDonalds or Walmart. Most businesses that employ minimum wage workers were already paying more for labor than any other cost of doing business before the wage hike. A huge increase to minimum wage just means that lots of companies will either find a way to get around paying more for labor, or go out of business.

Is $15 an hour reasonable for a minimum wage job? It varies. Some minimum wage employees are genuinely underpaid. The fry cook at McDonalds is not underpaid. That is an easy job. The only people working those jobs should be 16 year old high school students learning what working is like.

The real problem is, and always has been, the high cost of living in metro areas. While all the idiots are clamoring over wages, the people who own real estate in large cities are making obscene amounts of money hand-over-fist.

>>132344617
>McDonalds and Walmart can afford to pay a huge wage increase

No, they fucking can't. Their margins are tiny. The business model is entirely based on volume of sales. That's why Walmart will dump a US product if a chink product is a penny cheaper.

45 year old Manuel the burger cook and his entire family who are stealing jobs from an actual citizen shouldnt make anywhere near $15/hour. That's like a weeks pay in Mexico.

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>>132323696
>we
hello wagecuck
t. NEET

>>132322850
working at mcdonalds is meant to be degrading if we made it a well paying job everybody would want to do it

>>132322850
this is a photo from Italy BTW

>>132329469
>>132329309
In Australia Paramedics are paid 46$ an hour starting rate

>>132322850
Because they dont speak english.

>>132322850
Do you think that wholefood employees are going to keep their jobs once Automation fag Bezos is going to start getting his hands deep into the aquisition?

>>132322850
Higher low wages means higher taxes, higher cost of living, and higher rent. Not to mention less jobs. Start low get a simple education and find a good paying job. Then you're way above the bar.

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>>132323696
Hahahahahahahahahahahshahs
Fast food isnt hard work. The only consequence of a bad job done is an angry customer that probably spebt under $8.
Youre not trusted to assemble aircrafts, build houses, or even do paperwork for businesses, because you have no skills.

Why not 50/hr for your minimum wafe? Id actually be for that legislation just to bring automation into everything.

>>132326423
>we're only killing small businesses, why so you care?

Why are liberals so retarded

>>132324634
How many marketable skills should a worker have in order to live? Why should anyone care if someone has no real skills?

>>132324799
I'd order from a touch screen over a rowdy nigga any day.
>robots are replacing blacks in cheap labor
Feels good.

>>132322850
I deseve 8+ more dollars to my engineering job then.

>>132322850
They shouldn't have families.

These jobs should be for highschoolers or older people /seniorwho just want to work to take up time in their day.
Not some fag who dropped out of college or has a shit degree.

>>132325528
>blind to the effect that low birth rate is having on the country.

The only effect it's having is from people who look at low birthrates and think shipping in a shitload of migrants solves anything, BLIND to the fact that markets adjust to populations, you dumdum.

>>132329963
Hiring manger here. The vast majority of affirmative action hires are college educated white women. Not blacks.

I can deal with blacks stealing but white women can and will make work a living hell.

>>132322850
Why do they work for less?

If they sign a contract with less than 15 $ then it's their fault. Nobody is forcing them to work there.