What do you guys have to say about this little beauty? No mental

Typical, scaredy-cat Trump supporters too afraid to reply.......Sad!

Covfefe!

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What is an amendment?

If you think health care should be a protected right then there is a path before you.

Might want to stop shilling on pol and start working.... faggot

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post some retarded shit with a smug anime girl
10/10 content

if you post in this thread your mother will die in her sleep tonight

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> If you belive in one thing you also have to belive in something completely unrelated

Absolutely retarded

>>132250211
You still have to pay for your own guns

Because universal healthcare isn't a "freedom" its another set of rules to live by.

>>132250211
I have to say... what is that creature and what does it have to do with the two unrelated topics of discussion?

>>132250211
Its almost like the right to gun ownership doesn't burden the taxpayer.

>>132250211
Nobody should pay for my guns but me.
So why should I pay for medicating your reckless ass?

>>132250211
First off, those are two of the worst written sentences I've ever seen, way to make yourself look good. To answer the question you are attempting to ask: A right is not owed to you, all it does is not say no. Do you have money? You can have health care. Are you broke as shit? We'll do what we can, but that's on you.

>>132250211
A gun is an object. A healthcare system is people - doctors, nurses, administrators, and other staff. Medical treatment is not a right, it's a service provided by people. If you make it a right you are switching from medical professionals having an ethical and moral obligation to treat people to having a legal obligation to do so, in effect, enacting a form of indentured servitude on anyone in the healthcare industry.

>>132250211
Guns are not free. How does it relate to free healthcare?

Also, universal healthcare only benefits the weak and lazy who refuse or are unable to work for their care, leaving them alive to breed and impress their sick and disgusting beliefs onto those who work for their pay, in doing so turning them into lazy degenerates, effectively destroying the society.

>>132251849
This

>>132250211
>what do you guys have to say about that shitty talking point who is debunked here daily ?

Sage is what ive to say

>>132250211
"Freedom to universal healthcare," is a positive right.

We believe in negative rights: rights that exist without governments.

>>132250211

False equivalency.

>>132250211
Smells like faggotry here

>>132250211
lets assume that these are equivalent issues and they are both constitutionally protected. What would you say when the the government tells you that you need the sheriff's permission to see a doctor or carry and epi-pen?

>>132252929
Ashido from Boku no Hero Academia.

>OP
Equivocation of Rights anon. Freedoms vs Entitlements. Positive and Negative Rights.

Liberals are Murderers.
as Follows
Liberals want UHC
UHC is Expensive
Already have defacto UFC w/ ER mandates
To pay for UHC must tax
Taxes are fines on legal gains
Fines Remove Wealth
Wealth comes from invested Time
Theft of Time cuts ones life shorter by removing the past time invested cannot be regained
Cutting ones time short is Murder
UHC cuts time short and is therefore Murder
Liberals support Murder

>>132250211
>universal healthcare allows forcing others to save your own life, at the expense of part of theirs, spent working without gain
>gun ownership allows saving your own life, by your own means
>implying it's incoherent to only defend one of those
>even have the nerves to claim the former is morally higher than the latter
democunt (((logics)))

>>132251849
Never understood why Americans hype up amendments.


Would of thought they'd be against em, since they're not apart of the original document.

The right to own a gun is the right to own an inanimate object

The right to health care requires someone to work

People need to be paid to work

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>>132257076
It's a contract. Contracts can be amended with super majority support. This particular contract allows the government to represent the people. That's the USA difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution#Ratified_amendments

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>>132257076
The US constitution is the longest standing document on how the government should be, besides the magna Carta. I dunno.

Ok, if everyone has to pay for free healthcare, then everyone has to pay for free guns.

I'll head down to the local state guard armory and help myself to a couple ammo boxes and one of those .50 cal machine guns if they have them

>>132258527
Having guns means you have to arm your local police force, pay for the training, etc.

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>>132258747
AND allows the government to exist in the first place.
What came first? The people or the institution?

>>132258754
>>132258747
All i'm saying is, changing the original document could be seen as going against what the founding fathers originally intended ya know?

Like imagine how people would feel if they updated the ten commandments? Or changed the Koran?

People get really attached to documents

Universal Free Healthcare is neither free nor a right hence the reason why rich people can afford to live longer. if you're a fat fuck that cant take care of themselves you are not entitled to my money.

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>>132250211
>flag
>filename
>posts worst girl
>advice dog tier meme

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>>132250211
you have to explain how is freedom to have gibs the same as a constitutional right?

>>132250211
Where can I get my free gun then OP?

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>>132250211
The fruits of another mans labour are not entitled to any but the labourer himself. If the man chooses to partake his labour in the contract of another mans business then that labour is of ownership by the boss for requisite compensation.

You are not entitled to be given the labour of another man, you are however entitled to a decent means of self determination, and throughout history, weaponry has been the tool of mans will toward each other

Because taxes don't pay for your gun rights, but they do for your free healthcare """right""". I don't want to pay for some degenerates health care

>>132259870
I for one would actually rather pay to destroy degenerates' "health" further
which buying a gun can do, btw

>>132259293
The constitution is a contractual document, not a religious document. The first amendments were ratified in 1791. The "original document" was ratified in 1988. Again, this is what makes the USA structure and organization different than the rest of the world.

>>132250211

Because until there are taxes for being too fat, this is literally not economically possible.

>>132259760

I'd rather see money going to help pay for a the kids of a single mother's doctor treatments than to give money to buy a gun for a sweaty, fat, racist Trump support to compensate for his micropenis.

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>>132250211
"Universal healthcare" is a word used by retards to describe a nationalized health insurance program funded by tax dollars and administrated by the state. You do not have a right to a government service. You don't eve have a right to police protection according to the Supreme Court. Fuck off.

>>132250211
I have a right to own a gun. I still have to pay for it. The government does not give me one. I have a right to healthcare. I still have to pay for it. I have a right to food and clean water. I still have to pay for it. I have a right to travel freely. I still have to pay for it. When the government issues me a rifle and a supply of ammunition for it for "free," we can talk about your "free" healthcare.

>>132260766

Again; I'd rather see money going to poor single mothers, old people and children than to gun-nuts with small penises.

>>132250211
How is that a freedom at all though? Being forced to be taxed for a healthcare you may or may not want sounds quite far from free.

>>132260196
In what way does this make you different? Other countries can do this too.

>>132250211
You can buy guns, for your own money.
You can buy healthcare for your OWN money.

What you want is money beeing taken from OTHER people and handed to you as "free" healthcare.

You seem quite retarded, now show us your flag.

>>132261160
>poor single mothers
shouldn't have fucked jah-tyron

>old people
had all their lives to make money

>children
their
>poor single mothers
shouldn't have fucked jah-tyron

>gun-nuts
at least they buy their own things, with their own money

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>>132260427
>I'd rather see money going to help pay for a the kids of a single mother's doctor treatments
>What is CHIP
>What is Medicaid
Now where is my free gun you fucking, ratchet favela living chimp.

>>132250211
Your image is self explanatory. Why bother?

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This is now a redpill thread, post your best.

>>132261628

Yaaaaawwwn. No actual argument.

Anyways, why should you care about my flag? Can't sustain a point so now you base yourself on ad hominems?

>>132258946
>Owning a piece of metal somehow requires other people to perform actions to allow that
No

>>132250211
Universal healthcare is collapsing in the United Kingdom, it's not worth it when all the world's population believes it has a right to come to the UK and abuse the NHS.
My sister works as a regional midwife and she's had a couple dozen of her midwife staff quit on her in the last couple years because the pay is too low and the stress levels are too high.

>>132261877
A car is a piece of metal, people have to build roads don't they?

>>132250211
the government doesn't provide people with free guns retard.

>>132261796

General Patton was a nutcase who never fought his own battles (sending troops to die) and literally wanted to kill Russians just because they were socialists (aka WW3)

>>132250211
I dindt knew the feds give every american free guns

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>>132251032
>Covfefe

That meme is dead. You belong in an oven

>>132250211
These are the saddest, cringiest attempts at maymays I have ever seen. Please stop.

>>132250211
But you do have a right to healthcare. Just not Free healthcare. You don't have a right to free guns either.

>>132250211

>the right to own a tangible item, costs money
vs
>the right for someone else to perform procedures on you, for free that are paid for by the masses

Until the government pays for my guns there is no comparison you dumb fucking retarded faggot nigger.

>>132250211
>Republicans believe in the right to voluntarily buy a gun at your discretion
>But not in the right to force doctors to provide service, and others to pay for it via taxes?
Really makes you think...

>>132250211
I believe in both of those things and i have no fucking clue how you are seeing them as related.

Why isn't there universal gun provider?

switch tactics

>>132262353
There should be. The state should issue every citizen a gun, and health care.

>>132250211
Because the government is not paying for someone's gun.

There is a right to bear arms, but the government/the taxpayer do not pay for people to exercise that right.

The government doesn't pay for you to give money to your church as a tithe. They don't pay for you to build your own printing press and make a newspaper full of your idiotic babble. Why should they pay for your healthcare?

>>132262223
>>132262194
>>132262161

By the way, thank you for bumping up my thread. I'll still bump it up, but you are helping me. Thanks!

>>132261628
Well if you want "free" healtcare move to venezuela or NK.

Should fit socialist scum like you.

>>132250211

Simply put OP, there is a broad misconception in the US that "having insurance" = healthcarae


Most of these retarded GOP faggots have never had to use actual healthcare and when they do are pleasantly surprised to get hit with a 45k bill for a heart attack (after insurance)+ 10k in deductibles + 20k in premium charges + 30k in whatever new charges they decide to make up out of thin air. That's the thing about insurance- they can just make up whatever charges they want on a whim or say that whatever huge medical cost is magically not covered by the plan (even if it is) to get out of paying for whatever it is they are supposed to pay for. Insurance is a kike money scheme and only kike loving faggots want to keep the insurance lobby in business.

>>132250211
I'm poor, can you pay for my golden AK please? No? But that's how universal healthcare works.

>Entering "sage" (by itself) into the [Options] field while replying will cause the thread not to bump to the top of the page.

>>132250211
>needing healthcare

The weak must die. Or do you want to become Brasil?

>>132250211
Your posts are such annoying and obvious bait. Sage

>>132262773
na, make the weak strong instead.

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>>132262564
>By the way, thank you for bumping up my thread.

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>>132250211
Democrats believe in the freedom to universal healthcare but not the freedom to own a gun???

>>132262587
What's wrong with getting something in return for the taxes paid out you retarded shill? Why do so many conservatives love Wallstreet and kike money schemes? You guys are basically crypto-kikes

>>132258946
What? No it doesn't...

>>132250211
>no mental gymnastics please
>has UN flag
Sage that shit.

>>132262855

Until now? Sad! Covfefe!

>>132262891

Guns kill people. Free healthcare doesn't. If it was up to me, I'd arrest and imprison every gun nut for decades, as a national security measure (think of it like the Muslim Ban by Dump, only on White, Christian Extremists).

But I know that will not happen. Unlike Republicans, I am connected to reality.

>>132262194
Pay close attention to oct 1918 through May 1920 and you'll see the real truth. Then call 1-877-Kars-4-Kids.

>>132262895
Most people advocating for "free" healthcare are subhumans that want to leach off succesfull people.

Socialism is equal distribution of poverty. It never works, thanks to 40 years of socialism western EU is devastated economicaly wise.

>>132263046
Ok, lets remove the guns from the police force

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>>132263171
>Guns kill people.
No they don't you retard.

>>132263274
uh you already did that

ugh like my god even just thinking about the u.k is so depressing.....please dont use your flag anymore use a meme flag so you dont remind people of the depressing place you exist in.

Negative vs positive freedom, look it up.

/thread

>>132263274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTNZfR4dNw

and you ended up like this

>>132250211
Positive rights do not exist.

>>132250211
Haha you have to buy the gun, You have to buy healthcare. Seems pretty consistent to me

>>132263445
That is correct, we don't have guns so we save money. Correct.

Also if you're gonna take the piss out of the UK, I'll use that as evidence you have no argument.

>>132263630
^ same for you.

Bye cunts.

>>132250211
>right to own guns is the same thing as the right to be forced to pay for other people's 'guns' (Healthcare)

>>132253454
tadaaaa the end

>>132250211
You don't get free guns, you have to buy them. Same should be with healthcare

>>132250211
can you at least use proper grammar on your shareblue bait images? thanks.

>>132263827
huh our police force know how to handle scum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7adUFyFSCk

ps thanks for taking all human trash form poland, they fit to your pakis, nignogs and shitskins

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>Anyone unironically replying

>>132250211
The right to own guns is a negative right or a what the government can't do see shall not be infringed

Conservatives prefer laws that tell the government what the cant do instead of what they can

>>132261828
yyyyyyaaaaaaaawnnnnnnnnnn
oh my god.. oh no.. YAWN..
just.. my post quality.. yawn... it keeps happening
im just so much better than everyone else.. oh no its happening again.. YAWNNNNNN

you should be banned

Wow.. Really makes you think..

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this is how stupid/uneducated leftists actually are...

>>132250211
Universal healthcare is not a freedom nor right.

>freedom
>government mandated healthcare
Wut.

that being said, 10/10 b8 look at all these (you)'s

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>>132262055
>General Patton was a nutcase who never fought his own battles (sending troops to die)
bahaha youre literally 12

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>>132262564
you can still reply without bumping, newfag. its called sage

You have a right tonuse your money on guns you don't have the right to spend someone else's money on your hospital bills. We already by you food

>>132250211
Because we don't want fucking beaner subhumans like you to be able to go to the hospital on taxpayer dollars after we shoot you. Fuck off beanigger

>>132250211
is this always the same guy posting some retarded looking anime picture with even more retarded captions?
go fuck yourself you waste of air

>>132265164

I'm not Hispanic. I'm part French, part Spanish. I was born in Calgary and attend school elsewhere.

Sorry, you racist creep!

>>132250211
I have no idea what you mean.
Rights are limitations on government.
Rights are preexisting of government.
Hope that helps.

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>>132250211
>you will never burn your tongue on Mina's ass sweat.
I know you probably think I'm joking around, but I'm actually extremely bitter about this.

No we don't believe in the "freedom" to force people to pay for your shit, that's called slavery. If tax payers were forced to pay for our guns then that would be wrong too. Freedom means the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't bother other people with it, forcing people to pay taxes because you're too lazy to get a job and pay for your own goddamn insurance is the opposite of that.

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>>132250211
>That file name
This is one hell of a bait thread

Also, If you associate your dreck with Mina again I'll find you, faggot.

>>132265572

You have a right to free healthcare. It is a human right.

Do you really think we should allow people to die on the streets due to preventable disease?

>>132266719
jesus is that a joke? surely they wouldn't put ShareBlue in the filenames lol

>>132266931
but it's not free you fucking prick. if I want Obamacare I have to pay about a quarter of my income per month. how is that fucking free??????????????

>>132250211
False equivalency. Nobody expects the state to buy their guns for them.

>>132250211
Universal healthcare is the loss of choice in healthcare. I thought Democrats loved freedom of choice.

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>>132250211

Anyone actually replying to this obvious bait is an autistic faggot.

>>132267001

The government should stop wasteful spending on things like the military (the army has 4x more funding than any other on Earth) and handouts to the rich. That way, taxes can be used to pay for your healthcare.

>>132267156

Nobody expects healthcare to kill you. Guns on the other hand....

>>132267185

So you want to choose to pay for your healthcare when it can be free? That, children, is why people exist to call out incorrect opinions.

>>132250211
False equivalence
Gun owners aren't demanding the country subsidize their guns and ammo purchases

>>132265421
Jesus leaf, why hide your fucking flag if your just going to tell people what you really are.

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You are confusing freedoms with claims. The supposition that the state shall not take away or interfere with your firearm rights is an example of a freedom - conversely, the supposition that the state should provide you with firearm rights is a claim. Ergo, to suggest that the state shall provide you with healthcare rights is a claim, not a freedom.

>>132267936
>>132267936
>>132267936
KATE BUSH
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>>132250211

Stealing peoples money to pay for the health of the weak

>people who have guns pay for them, the licenses, etc

Good one faggot, gonna virtue signal women deserves rights because vagina too? Ops too late Feminism is also the staple of the OPs diet

>>132267550
>Guns on the other hand....
Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
What is so hard to understand about this?

>>132250211
Because you have to buy a gun same as you have to buy healthcare (not with a discount from big brother either). Nobody is saying "you can't have healthcare", they're saying "my taxes aren't going to pay for your healthcare, especially when I don't qualify for the same healthcare". Not paying for the degenerate poor to save on healthcare so they can spend their extra money on cigarettes and malt liquor, sorry.

>>132267550
You're retarded, the only thing we spend more money on than our "massive military" is entitlement programs. It's a money sink hole that creates dependency

>>132250211
>people are free to pay for a gun
>people are free to pay for health insurance

Gun rights are about protecting what you earn, sometimes through sweat and blood. Universal healthcare is about taking what others earned because you are a lazy cunt.

>>132250211
you have the right to own a gun if you choose

you don't have the right to pay for your healthcare via me working

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>>132250211
>that pic

You are a stupid nigger that has never read the constitution.

Find me the section in the constitution that mentions healthcare you stupid gen-z faggot.

>>132250211
Stop ruining characters from this show with your shitty memes you gigantic faggot.

>>132268457

I didn't know helping out the poor is "entitlement". Every single human being is "entitled" to food, water, shelter and healthcare.

>>132268626

So, if you ever get betrayed by your Nazi buddies at UKIP and get beaten up for not worshipping the All Mighty Brexit, I won't call the ambulence since you are not entitled to their work.

>>132259293
the founding fathers intent was to be able to amend it

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>>132269053
How about we make a deal? if guns and ammo are paid by taxpayers, you can have your tax payer funded hospitals.

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>>132265421
I FUCKIN KNEW IT

>>132269053
I pay taxes and don't receive welfare. If we didn't have socialised medicine I could still pay for it. So why wouldn't the ambulance take me to the hospital?

The government never gave me a free gun.

>>132269700
>How about we make a deal? if guns and ammo are paid by taxpayers, you can have your tax payer funded hospitals.

The purpose of arguement is to propose something useful.

>>132250211
How many times have I seen this thread. I know that's you, stupid canadian.

Why should I be entitled to force a doctor to work for me?

>"freedom" to have to government force you to pay for something for everyone else
>this is somehow the same as the freedom to purchase and own a firearm privately
?

>>132270029
this is not a argument though. this is a deal. I am making you a hypothetical proposal. you get what you want, but what I don't want, and I get what I want, but you don't want. we both win and lose equally, you might call this a deal for equality.

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>>132252802
This. You are perfectly within your rights to pursue healthcare or guns, but it's up to you to acquire them.

Perhaps healthcare should be treated like guns, and have just as many restrictions on what sort you can have?

>>132269602
I'm guessing they foresaw the possibility they could die and people could eventually amend it into the ground.

>>132251849
spbp

>>132250211
>no mental gymnastics

The right to firearm ownership is not subsidized by the federal or state or local governments.

A "right" to healthcare would have to be subsidized, is therefore a form of taxation, and rather than being a "freedom" or a "right" is actually a financial imposition by the government upon its citizenry, backed by implicit use of force to achieve compliance.

>>132250211
>United Nations Flag
Well that is one reason you got mental gymnastics.

Universal Health Care cannot work in America as it would cost $1.89T/year to maintain. You would also have longer wait times, less quality, extra taxes and you would have to pay for procedures that are either experimental or not covered.

I maybe a Leaf, but there is a reason why some of the Leafs at the border go to America and it isn't for the tourism. Go to any hospital or Doctor Office and you will see why.

Not only that, it is Government regulated and controlled and this is a power that the government should never have. Part of the reason that ACA/Obummercare failed was because the Government was subsidizing another way of life. Not to mention the people who have been pushing or shilling for this are Democrat politicians, business elite and celebrities who either want to save more money for their health insurance payments on their employments or will circumvent Universal Health Care to afford their own treatments so they don't need to wait.

There is also no Amendment in the Constitution that stated the Government has to offer this service. The Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness clause is to prevent the Government from infringing on those rights.

#GetRekt

>>132250211
>positive rights

the constitution says the government cant deny gun ownerships. coincidently the government also cant deny you healthcare. you have the exact same rights.

the 2nd amendment doesnt mean the government HAS TO GIVE YOU/PAY FOR YOUR GUNS, it means you simply have the option to buy them if you want.

>>132257076
I'll help you out Britbro. A "Bill of Rights" was part of the agreement to get the Consitution ratified in the first place. Without a Bill of Rights, ie the original Amendments to the Constitution, then there never would have been United States to begin with.

>>132250211
I only come to /pol/ anymore to laugh at you butt-blasted bernouts.

TRUMP WON AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT LOSER!
NOBODY EVEN CARES WHAT YOU THINK!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

>>132251032
>Covfefe!
LE DRUMFP LEL

>>132261160
>poor single mothers
They get enough help by being slaves to the Welfare State. They shouldn't have made babies with an asshole or been a bitch themselves.

>old people
They had all their lives to save up for Retirement . They could still get involved in investments or other businesses and don't work for anyone. My dad retired this year and he is into managing properties now.

>children
Oh please. Common Core is turning them into slaves and Colleges and Universities are turning them into mindless SJW/ANTIFA cucks. Socialism is a cancer on the world and it is sad that people still think it has a place in this world.

>>132261828
Because the UN is a bureaucracy shitshow that has no real influence but be authoritarian over nation states. I maybe a Leaf, but I got more sensibility than you do.

>>132261160
There are so many things completely erroneous that you've just said. Care to try again? What money do gun owners get?

Ok riddle me this, (this is just for interest).
Could the constitution be ratified to allow easier access of Englishmen into the USA?

I say this because the founding fathers are English born and keeping me out (with your god awful immigration) seems kinda hypocritical?

This is for the whole Anglosphere freedom of movement idea.

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You can literally phrase this shit however you want. "Freedom to x"

Not an argument. Where's the argument?

>>132250211
UHC still has a cost and if it's free to all who is going to pay for It? Free doesn't mean it's just completely free, doctors, nurses, physicians arnt just going to start working for no money and how are medicines and treatments going to be manufactured if it's all just free? Need to do more research familia, you will still be paying for health care one way or another.

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>>132264162

Different kinds of freedoms. One is the freedom to not have your guns taken away from you. The other is "freedom" to have health care given to you, paid for by someone else. No one is saying that your ability to acquire and pay for healthcare on your own should be taken away.

>>132272379
And then there is the freedom to not be forced to pay for health insurance. Because that is essentially what Obamacare is: forced purchase of health insurance.

inb4 but muh forced car insurance! Nope, that's only insurance for you doing damage to someone else, and you don't need it if you don't drive.

>>132271637
You apply for Immigration like everybody else does. If you want an open borders idea or any freedom of movement, go back to the EU.

>>132273238
That doesn't answer the question

>>132252490
This is the only good thing in this god forsaken thread. Post more.

>>132271637

The constitution could be amended to allow for anything. If you got enough states to agree on it, you could make an amendment to force everyone to make a pie on Wednesdays or else be thrown in jail for 50 years. And you might think to yourself, "there's no way that should be allowed." Well, a constitutional amendment can't be unconstitutional by definition. It IS the constitution, and it's the highest law in the land. If it contradicts itself, then the later amendment should take precedence. Fortunately, due to the possibility for abuse with this document, it is very difficult to alter.

As for your Anglosphere freedom of movement idea, that just sounds dumb. A weak immigration policy in one country means a weak one in all of them. We'd be entering into the same kind of agreement that is the very reason why you voted to leave the EU in the first place.

>>132274091
I know, the difference is, I'd be ok with a trade block between AUS, CAN, NZ, UK etc.

And people aren't against it, the ideas been floating around. We're already linked in so many ways.

>>132250211
Nobody is entitled to the labor of others, including Doctors. If somebody wants to take the fruits of their own labor to purchase the means of their own protection, nobody has the right to deny that action.

>>132273737
It does. But to be more accurate: You could, but that requires 2/3 vote on Yes for both Senate and House to pull off.

You are better off doing what I suggested.

Healthcare is a service not a right, next.

>>132274860
but it's so difficult and bullshit compared to other countries. Don't you wish it could be easier for CAN -> US?

>>132250211
You pay for guns, right?
Then you also pay for healthcare.

Not an argument.

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>>132250211
>It's inconsistent to believe someone should buy their own gun and their own health care.

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>>132250211
test 1

>>132251032
It's mainly because globalist like you are subhumans, and not worth the replies.

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>>132250211
Government control of health care will work as well as government control of guns.

>>132250211
It's perfectly consistent if you're aware of the Hippocratic Oath. You can't put healthcare under the government's purview in a country with legal firearms. Activists doctors have the power to swing an extra-political ban on firearms by refusing to treat gunowners under a mental gymnastic stretch of the "Do no harm" part of their oath.

We want our guns and already have healthcare. Sorry you can't make freedom work for you. Try England.