https://anarchistrevival.com/2017/0 7/01/the-anti-intellectu

>>132239633

fuck boys

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>>132239633
fuck off retard, i'm honestly surprised you haven't namefagged by now.

>>132240922

very eloquent, gonna record this response for the research purposes

>>132241039
no one cares dumbfuck, saging your gay thread.

>>132239633
anarcho capitalism is the end logical conclusion of classical liberal thought

>>132240922

behold the extent of ancap intellectualism

>>132241168

so you cant defend your belief structure

is your name victor pross? what about larken rose?

>>132241208

ideology is stupid, embrace philosophy

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>>132241255
hahaha holy fuck. im not even an ancap dumbfuck, i just know how reddit and underage everything you verbalize has sounded so far. just fuck off retard.

>>132241421

I have a degree in the language we're speaking, what are your credentials? lmao

>>132241391
Classical liberalism is based in classical philosophy. Not that crap called existential subjectivity that passes for philosophy.

Is math an ideology?

>>132241494
you wasted a lot of money for a piece of paper

>>132241761

Math is abstract, pure logic. Since it is demonstrable, the answer can only be no.

/Everything/ is /based/ on philosophy, right down to the core of the state. Being based on philosophy is not the same as being philosophy. With ideas, morphology is rampant, as ideology has a way of mutating things. Look at what feminism has turned into. That was based on philosophy as well.

>>132241801

You could have just said 'I don't have any', but it seems you're more concerned with deflecting, damage control. I guess I would have said something dumb too. lol

>>132242059
WRONG
I HAVE A DEGREE IN NUCLEAR FUCKING ENGINEERING

I got a degree that would have an ROI, unlike you.

>>132241986
I said based IN, not ON.

Now prove your statement that anarcho-capitalism is an ideology.

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>>132242059
getting a degree in english just shows how retarded you truly are. i can't believe your parents would let you waste their money for such a useless and fruitless endeavor, but based on everything we know about you, they're probably braindead retards too. just making a snap judgement here, but your verbal IQ doesn't seem especially high - so getting a degree in english was a complete and total disaster of a mistake on your part. have a nice life, dumbfuck.

>>132239633
ancaps are just LARPing, don't it too seriously

>>132239633
Fuck off leftist scum.
No.
Kys

>>132242398

>Has his ideals specifically challenge

'LOL RETARD'

very telling. carry on.

>>132241986
An-archo capitalism is defined by what it is not. It s a purely voluntary society. You could have communes in an-capistan

>>132242393

'Anarcho' is literally a word made up by ideologues for ideologues. Outside of ideological parameters... it isn't a word. The title itself labels it as ideology.

Anarcho allows ideologues to staple their preferred ideology, their preferred beliefs, to the concept of autonomy. Anarchism is a philosophy of self-governance, and becomes compromised when used as a foundation for ideas that are already classified as ideology.

>>132242514

leftists are scum. you're absolutely right. they're entirely unaware of themselves at this point.

>>132242697

AnCap is defined by what its ideological servitude, just like AnPrim and AnCom are. Anarcho-anything is not anarchism.

I'll concede that a truly free world would have plenty of room for every kind of anarchism, as people would be able to freely assemble. Free trade is a wonderful thing and would generate a lot of communities... its just that theres a misconception that capitalism has a monopoly on free trade. So such ownership exists.

>>132243046
-what

>>132243046
free trade is capitalism

>>132242506
/thread
It's telling that ancap larpers always imagine themselves as some sort of micro-state plantation owner rather than a sharecropper or desperate mercenary thug.
Also violations of 'the NAP' can't be effectively arbitrated without a state that all parties have at least some faith in.

>>132242801
PROVE YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT LEFTIST SCUM

>>132243186
Many ancaps and libertarians say private police and courts would enforce NAP

>>132242697
The problem with 'arriving at ancapistan' is that it involves states divesting themselves from their interest in at least some held territory to allow for people to go start that voluntary society. States are never going to do that.

>>132243185

[citation needed]

Don't worry, I already got you.

Adam Smith coined capitalism in the 18th century... there are houses in old-world Europe older than capitalism. Free trade was practiced for tens of thousands of years before Smith stapled all of his bullshit to the notion.

Capitalism REQUIRES free trade in order to be practiced. Free trade DOES NOT require capitalism. It's literally that simple.

This is a testament to the corrosive nature of ideology. They take a concept precious to people, something that enables convenience, and hijack it by structuring an entire ideology around it. This is where apologists and their cognitive dissonance stems from.

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Breathe

>>132243275

look at

>>132243185

that is ideology in its finest form. 'i own this concept, my belief system has the answers and it always has.'

>>132243607

its funny, ive not encountered a single coherent defense or refutation

>>132243723

not a single*

>>132243512
What an idiot.

Free trade/capitalism is an expression of voluntary agreements. It is an expression of property rights. Of course it was around before Smith defined the term.

You'd probably know nothing of rights, because you think humans have no rights outside government.

>>132243896

a swing and a miss. conduct yourself like you've spent any amount of time in a classroom above the 9th grade

>>132243643
just because you don't understand what capitalism/free trade is doesnt mean its an ideology.

FIND AN EXAMPLE WHEN FREE TRADE ISN"T CAPITALISM

But the question of how to resolve disputes between people who have entered different social contracts with different police+court entities would have to involve some meta-court (as nauseum or until you arrive at a certain level that you might as well call 'a State')

The USA already has contracts which force signers to resolve disputes in arbitration rather than civil court - and when a party isn't satisfied with the result they often appeal to a real state or federal court.

Overall my point is this, that eventually in AnCapistan a de-facto state will be formed. Maybe even a de-facto state that automatically enrolls your child in its social contract at birth (aka a state like we have now)

AnCapistan is impossible to arrive at because it would require everyone to have an identical interpretation of what 'violations of the NAP' are, and arguably, infinite resources.

>>132239633
Leave them be, they're just kids.

>>132243990
YAWN

POSITIVE RIGHTS/ AMORAL LEFTIST COMMIE DETECTED

>>132244137
KYS DAY OF THE ROPE SOON

>>132243896
>you think humans have no rights outside government
They literally don't. Your "rights" and "the abilities afforded to you by the guarantor (state) of your rights" are the same thing. Man in the "natural state" has no rights, he has abilities, and the property that he can secure individual access to. God doesn't make sure that people don't steal your shit.

>>132244051

your ideology is showing lmao

you know the biggest advocates and thinkers behind capitalism call it an ideology, right? like, thats not even worth arguing against. thats a fact.

crack open any history book, friendo. you can start with the ancient civilizations, examine indigenous tribes, the spanish anarchists, native tribes in the americas. free trade has existed everywhere. literally. pick a time period and you will find voluntary exchange taking place, and no sign of capitalism. they are not the same thing. ideologues have forgotten that, as you are proving.

>>132244217
>>132244307

triggered

>>132244394
WOW FREE TRADE HAS EXISTED
PROVE THE ANTITHESIS

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO LOGIC?

>>132244307


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Trade is a natural part of any society: one person has always required a good or service from another, even before they could properly communicate. Trade makes survival easier for the individual (and any community), so naturally, a form of economics has structured itself around this necessity: capitalism. What capitalists have forgotten is that capitalism requires free trade to be practiced. Free trade does not need capitalism. Those who practice capitalism have conjured the misconception that their ideology has a monopoly on voluntary exchange. Considering capitalism was coined within the last couple of centuries, in comparison to the (tens of) thousands of years humans have been freely trading, obviously no such monopoly exists./

>>132244352
YUP GARBAGE TIER HUMAN SCUM


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

>>132244735

you'll note he has not even a shred of an argument, outside of his rabid need to defend his ideology, which is still not an argument.... just circular talking points and rhetoric lol.

>>132244658
CAPITALISM IS NOT A FORM OF ECONOMICS

STILL WAITING ON YOU TO PROVE THE ANTITHESIS

>>132244901
Ten Commandments List

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

>>132244917

capitalism isnt a form of economics? youre dismissed troll. if you arent trolling, you really have nothing for me, son.

capitalism is a market-based society. it is purely economics... it is a societal focus to turn a buck. read a book before you decide to believe in things.

>>132244901
IS MURDER WRONG IF THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT TO PROSECUTE YOU

>>132244658
Nice straw men you really btfo "capitalism". Autists like you never seem to understand people or how they operate; into your final moments you beg for the answer but you will find none. Go on now, cast intelligible alabaster before "swine" - it's sure to boost your ego.

>>132244735
>>132244901
>not realizing that the appeal to a creator was just a way of trolling the King who thought he had a divine mandate
The ironic thing about quoting this is that it's a foundational document of a GOVERNMENT. In other words, the founders were talking about what rights they thought a government ought to protect. You don't have rights if you don't have a rights-guarantor - god doesn't stop me from taking your shit.

I fucking HATE open borders libertarians.
Don't they understand that they're using force when they're forcing foreigners on natives?
It's like they don't care about freedom of association and your right to keep people off your private property
Also, they're actively destroying libertarianism with bringing in tons of non-White authoritarians who only move to the West because of welfare
Fuck, the non-White people that come to the West should stay in their own shithole countries and take responsibility to fix theirs instead of leeching off ours

>>132245094
WRONG AGAIN,

CAPITALISM:
n economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS AND FREE TRADE

NOW PROVE YOUR ANTITHESIS

>>132245206
LIBERTARIANS DO NOT BELIEVE IN OPEN BORDERS AS THE "MIGRANTS" ARE USED TO GROW THE POWER OF THE STATE AND USED TO TAKE AWAY LIBERTY

>>132245206
There is no such thing as "open borders" in libertarianism

What we mean is no State borders, but property exists and you can protect it from any type of immigration (including immigration based on race, gender, etc.)

>>132245108
questions like this usually redpill people to the concept of moral relativity, but when your entire ego stands on the shaky ground of christianity you have to just assert and assert. sad!

>>132245199
THE IDEA OF NEGATIVE RIGHTS IS BASED ON JOHN LOCKE"S WORK ON CLASSICAL PHILOSOPHY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "TROLLING" LE KING LIKE YOUR KIKE PROFESSOR TELLS YOU

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>>132239633
>Victor even claims that the notion of multiculturalism is an “attack on Objectivity”, likely a reference to Objectivism, Rand’s thoroughly debunked brain child.
>thoroughly debunked

Nice try
Nobody so far was able to "debunk" Objectivism except for "RAND WAS A HYPOCRITE!!!" ad hominems and "MUH FUGGIN GOD" anti-atheism

>>132245440
The 10 commandments are logical conclusions.

>>132245557
1. laughing at how triggered you are.
2. Again, citing Locke instead of citing the bible isn't an argument for the existence of a spook like "rights." Please explain to me how someone can have a right without a guarantor.

>>132245690
wut

>>132241494
Just say you have an English degree at the top so your thread can be ignored easier.

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>>132241494
I supposed you must be fresh out of college correct? Because opening up about having a useless degree doesn't really boost your respect as much as you think. You could find strippers and porn stars with higher credentials than you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg

>>132245379
>>132245387

Correction, I fucking hate """open borders""" left """libertarians"""
I'm all for the libertarian order Hoppe describes

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>>132245268

googling your argument as you present it is a monumental red flag. lmfao

ive proved my antithesis to literally everyone in here but you. you're clinging, tenaciously. this is the equivalent of trying to piss up a tree.

>>132245837
God

>>132245932

dont like getting used as a toilet, eh?

>>132246067
NO YOU DIDN'T

FIND A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE

>>132246116
well guess what you mental midget. aint no god

>>132246231
PROVE THE ANTITHESIS

>>132246198

you are my example. you are a textbook ideologue, a 'true believer'. google the terms. you have all the check boxes, right down to the dogmatic defense. lol youre even trying to yell

>>132246116
>>132246231
and even if he did exist, he wouldn't stop me from breaking your mincy faggot jaw and stealing your shit, but the State might.

>>132246289
burden of proof is on the claimant
gg no re

>>132246304
DID YOU EVER THINK CAPITALISM HAS ALWAYS EXISTED?

>>132246305
I DONT NEED THE STATE TO PROTECT MY JEW GOLD FROM YOU. I GOT LOTS OF GUNS. COME AND GET ME

>>132246386
NOPE

ANTITHESIS
NAO PLEASE

>>132246494

there it is. the true ideologue.

'what i believe in is eternal. it doesnt have all the answers because IT IS THE ANSWER'

you've outdone yourself. truly.

>>132246305
YOUVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER BEEN ROBBED. THE STATE WILL NOT PROTECT YOUR ANUS. CALL 911 AND THEY WILL APPLY THE BANDAGES AFTERWARDS THOUGH

>>132246586
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
no but really don't underestimate your dependence on the state, you sound like a little NEET bitch who's dependent on mommy too so try to actually make an argument.

>>132245690

This is 100% true
The 10 commandments are the unwritten rules to which humans have lived by for thousands of years, Moses merely wrote them down
They're logical conclusions because life is a set of social games and you're supposed to keep playing those games to procreate and make sure humanity survives
Violating the covenant, by murdering someone for example, leads to ostracism, social death, and ultimately genetic death
If you do not follow the 10 commandments you will go to "Hell" (social death) instead of "Heaven" (procreation, family)

>>132246750
phew well Im considering this to be you giving up. Glad we could disabuse you own your shitty ideology. high IQ statist, out.

>>132246641
CAPITALISM HAS ALWAYS EXISTED.
LIKE EINSTEINS THEORY OF RELATIVITY

HOW DID THE PLANETS STAY IN ORBIT BEFORE MUH NEWTON?

THIS IS HOW STUPID YOUR ARGUMENT IS

>>132239633
Because nature works.

Some guy, and some other guy. It's not like there aren't dozens of people from every ideology having poor debates on YouTube or anything.

>>132246787
>>132246882

THREATS OF VIOLENCE. SO TYPICAL FROM A STATIST

>>132246895

another fraud exposed. thanks for playing.

>>132247078

the observation is that this is rampant within AnCap circles. a couple of the people intellectually shitting their britches in here are perfect examples.

>>132247113
HAHAHAHAHA

STILL WAITING ON 2 ANTITHESIS FROM YOU.

>>132247185
NO ITS BECAUSE ARGUING WITH MORAL RELATIVISTS AND EXISTENTIALISTS IS A WASTE OF GOOD OXYGEN.

JUST LIKE THE GREAT PAPER YOUR WORTHLESS DEGREE WAS PRINTED ON

>>132247047
Nature = pure capitalism. Therefore if nature works, capitalism works.

>>132247260

>capitalism is eternal

i mean you literally cited your ideology as god. your ancap friends are probably fucking mortified.

>>132239633
cryptoanarchy is the inevitable present.

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>>132247407
Han's gets it.

>>132247185
Where does it say that in the article? He picked two schmucks, schmuck and schumucker, criticised them, and left it at that. If it's a rampant problem then the writer should provide additional examples.

>>132247088
Fucking lurk moar faggot

>>132247414

He might be wrong in saying that Capitalism is not a form of economics but you're wrong in saying that Capitalism is not eternal
Capitalism is THE economic system, it's economic Darwinism
God is just the top of the hierarchy of the social hierarchy, the most competent and virtuous man created through hypergamy
In a way, God and Capitalism are heavily linked as you're constantly climbing the social ladder by becoming richer (more competent) or by becoming a decent human being who follows the 10 commandments (more virtuous)

>>132247407

McKenna blew that notion apart. Sorry friendo:

Capitalism is absolutely based on predatory habits, not necessarily nature. If we examine a plant, there are no capitalistic habits, as nothing is consumed that isn't immediately replaced. Nature (plants, environments) do everything in their power to keep their soils clean, waters clean, air clean. Capitalism obviously ain't doing that. Lets agree that its based on animals habits, take and give, etc. Predation is the word that many economists agree upon (predatory habits).

Heres the issue: when a wolf pack is hunting the woods to provide, they switch between food sources as to prevent scarcity. this is one of the oldest principles of living in harmony with your environment.

lets say the wolf pack reaches a size of nearly 8 billion, and is operation at a global level. they are consuming /all/ of their food sources at once, and so scarcity is inevitable. this is how the pack starves. they eat all the rabbit, all the deer at once, and when they turn around, nothing is left to sustain them.

>>132247865

capitalism isn't eternal. take a look at the state of your environment.

>>132247865
Capitalism is not a form of economics. It is a word that describes the spontaneous order occurs with economic freedom.

>>132247881

obviously im equating im rabbits and deer to world resources, goods, the environment.

>>132248180

[citation needed]

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>>132239633
>tell me why you think yours works
Because it has the dankest memes

>>132247987
BECAUSE OUR LIBERTIES ARE BEING ERODED AND THEREFORE WE BECOME LESS CAPITALISTIC

>>132248275
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_order

READ FUCKFACE

>>132248323

lmfao thats every capitalists wet dream... its just that you're on the wrong side of the trench

>>132239633
"The sense of competition both men might carry from their capitalist tendencies prevented them from making any intellectual progress"

ah yes this is non bias. Sounds like a fucking communist wrote this

>>132247881
>>132247987

That's because (((some unknown force))) has destroyed faith and any incentive to follow a long term, beneficial for everyone, ethical lifestyle like Christianity
We've become rabbits, focused on instant gratification instead of delayed gratification
In our quest to reduce the suffering in the world we've also destroyed the ability to become better people through suffering and we have to pay the price now
I'm not a fan of the limitless free market because of the malevolent people at the top

>>132248431

not regarding spontaneous order, you fuckin moron. jesus. have you ever been in a classroom? do you actually know what a citation is?

>>132241255
>LARPen roads
You can have him. Real AnCaps support Hoppe.

>>132248496

what is a real ancap?

what is a fake ancap?

>>132248431
YOU DUFUS.
HOW CAN YOU BE A CAPITALIST AND NOT BE FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS. THAT IS A CONFLICT OF TERMS

>>132248443

triggered

how come no can refute me, just express disdain? very telling

1. Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. It is a misleading label and it is not taken seriously by anyone except idiots on the Internet.

2. Everyone on /pol/ should be gulag'd.

>>132248443
The op is a moral relativist and doesn't believe in negative rights. You cannot argue with it as they are amoral commies. The only good communist is a dead communist

>>132248597
The same as real capitalism vs. fake capitalism. Whatever looks good is real. Whatever doesn't must be fake.

>>132248816

i have no love for communism. very critical of marx, very critical of all leftist positions, as i said earlier, they arent self aware. another swing and a miss.

more assertion.

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>>132239633
It depends what you want out of it.

I'm an anarcho primitivist.
Civilized life is like a pocket that you keep filling with money; and you feel good about all the money going into your pocket; but the pocket has a rip, and you're a little worried; that worry gives you incentive to work for more money, and more money, and you will never be satisfied.
The money, and the opiate of civilized life, cause adrenal fatigue and low dopamine; things you used to enjoy will never be as enjoyable again. Rather than be at a stagnate constant level of comfort, your tickle is turning into a bad itch, and that's infecting and turning into a big rash.

Politics means "Compromise".
All civilization is, is the compromise of the working class to funnel money and resources to a class of people that don't want to work, in an environment that has no real resources.

I think the greatest detriment to the idea of civilization, is realizing that people have the capacity to be happier without it than the people that have it.

People want a sense of meaning in their lives, and they fool themselves into thinking that it comes from the work they do; but their work is the work of slaves.

>>132248816
Commie here. We will bury you.

>>132248180
>>132248425

Thanks, that actually describes what I'm saying
This even reinforces my thoughts that belief in God and Capitalism are linked, as both are built upon the tit for tat with forgiveness strategy
This strategy establishes trust between parties and for religion this means the creation of life and for Capitalism this means the creation of trade

>>132248932
Oh, I don't give a shit about you at all. I'm just dropping in to let you know that *all* of you will be going to the gulag sooner than later. Have fun while you can.

>>132248942
there can be anprim vilages in ancapistan.

thats the beauty of ancap

>>132248982

at the cost of your finite environment*

doesnt sound very godly to me.

>>132248982

>the robbery of the surplus value of labor is the natural spontaneous order

Nope.

>>132249045

maybe. probably not in your lifetime.

>>132248942

AnPrim is actually the only An-Ideology that I understand and give any credit to. I agree with the notions of pollution and oversocialization.

>>132249162
>robbery
*consensual transactions

>>132248959
SEE
>>132246586

>>132249277
Probably in my lifetime. I'm not old. Once automation puts half the world out of work, I'm pretty confident you're all dead.

>>132249307
>let me hoard the surplus or starve, unless you've hoarded enough surplus to purchase your own means of production

>consensual
No.

>>132249130
YOU IDIOT

CAPITALISM DID NOT DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT. THE STATE ALLOWED BIG BUSINESS TO POLLUTE THE ENVIRONMENT BY BLOCKING LAWSUITS BY PRIVATE PARTIES WHO WERE DAMAGED BY SAID POLLUTION IN THE ENVIRONMENT

THE STATE SIDED WITH BIG BUSINESS AND VIOLATED PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IN EXCHANGE FOR TAXES

>>132249372

im just an anarchist tho. why kill anarchists?

>>132249339
I have guns too. And unlike the dumbass hillbillies that constitute the majority of the right-wing, I manage not to shoot myself when I use them.

>1 gun and a functioning brain>20 guns and inbred stupidity

>>132249484
>or starve
once again capitalism is at fault for the fact that human beings have to eat to avoid starvation
many times i see this with commies
you're only responsible for the consequences of them disagreeing with your terms if you created the situation in the first place
failing to donate free food to starving africans is not committing murder
not pushing the fat man onto the trolley is not killing a train full of people because you didn't set it in motion

>>132249675
If you are a real anarchist, which by definition includes anti-capitalist, you get to live. My bad for assuming you were one of the 99% of /pol/tards.

>>132249709
THE ONLY GOOD COMMUNIST IS A DEAD COMMUNIST

DOTR SOON

>>132239633

Someone should ship that link to Victor Pross/Larken Rose.

>>132249830
Capitalism is not at fault for human beings having to eat to avoid starvation. Capitalism is at fault for the system it enforces in light of that fact.

>>132249866

Righto, lets gut these neocons.

>>132249675
>>132249866
>Socialism is an economic and political system defined mile long lines for bread, genocide, starvation, lack of shoes and housing, exploding nuclear reactors

>some waffling shit here about why you are not entitled to the fruits of your labor and need some clever intellectual wearing rape rimmed glasses telling you how to live your life and what to spend your labor on

>in a capitalist society you get fucked over by a man who looks like the guy from monopoly and it makes us all rage and wish Hitler was back

>communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein everyone starves and wants to kill communists

>>132249912
Nope. You're all dead, and you know it. Automation = massive unemployment = hoards of hungry people = hoards of angry people = revolution.

It is coming. Trumpism is the dying cry of late capitalism. Enjoy it for the last few years you have.

>>132250013
Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: https://s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Selections of Left-Wing literature that will make you a pompous git unable to relate to blue collar working class


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Let's try and suppress all dissent so we can turn this board into a dystopian version of eight fags

>>132250055
>LATE STAGE CAPITALISM
REDDIT FAG DETECTED

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LATE STAGE CAPITALISM

>>132250093

Dude, you should read Kropotkin. He shit on the Jacobin's literally every chapter. He shit on the Marxists, too. Have you read any anarchist literature outside of what you cherrypick on the internet?

>>132249067
But it can't.
Capitalism, or trade in general, is a compromise for individual benefit.
Each individual in the trade assumes he is the one benefiting at the expense of the other person's deficit.
You essentially have one person thinking "I just traded my peach for that guy's apple; what an idiot". Competition would create lower prices, but that would also mean cheaper wages, because people are always looking for the cheapest sources of labor. It sounds like a good system, because progress is cheap, but it also means that people are going to live until they are unbearably poor, and it isn't going to stop. As I said, it's going to be like they have rips in their pockets; the more money they get, the more they lose; and they only have an ambition to gain more money is because they are losing so much.

>>132249484

The top 1% consists of extremely hard working and intelligent people
Yes, some of them are kikes that treat people like shit but they're punished accordingly
If you don't like being at the bottom of the social hierarchy you can try taking more responsibility and improve yourself

>>132249996
They know it's coming. There is a reason the right is increasingly unhinged. They might not know it yet, but it isn't the immigrants or the blacks or the Muslims that is scaring them. It is the unconscious fear that capitalism is in its twilight, and that the days of sitting on their PS4s in their little McMansions provided by an IT job will soon be over.

Death to the capitalists.

>>132250272
wrong.

capitalism is simply property rights

>>132250055

Maybe instead of just bitching and being hungry they can try being productive instead?
This is literally natural selection
Why should we have to pay people to NOT riot?
Sounds like some mafia shakedown to me

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>>132250191
Your ALL CAPS is just another sign of precisely what I'm saying: you know capitalism is coming to an end. You are scared shitless, as you should be.

"When our turn comes, we will make no excuses for the terror." - Karl Marx

>>132248597

Real ancap = is an ancap for higher purposes (family, tradition, civilization, order, duty)

Fake ancap = is an ancap because he never grew out of his teenage ayn rand phase

>>132250365
The top 1% will all be dead soon.

Automation is accelerating capitalism's self-destruction. We will bury them.

>>132239633
fuck you get off my property

>>132250369
UNHINGED DEATH THREATS. WHAT AN IDEOLOGUE.

>>132250491
Maybe instead of pocketing a portion of the fruits of someone else's labor, the capitalists can try being productive instead?

Na. They're too lazy for it. Which is why the only solution is death. And the international mobs will understand that.

>>132250663
It isn't a threat. It's a promise. You know it, too. 50% global unemployment = dead capitalists everywhere.

>>132250682

>commies unironically believe that poor blacks and whites will forget their racial differences and work together as a single unified economic class

Your ideology is a meme.

>>132250272
>Each individual in the trade assumes he is the one benefiting at the expense of the other person's deficit.

No, not really. Each individual is trading something they value less than the thing they're receiving. Usually because the thing they're trading is at an abundance for them.

>You essentially have one person thinking "I just traded my peach for that guy's apple; what an idiot".

More like "I like apples more than peaches, let's trade". So called lunchroom trading that happens in elementary schools.

>Competition would create lower prices, but that would also mean cheaper wages, because people are always looking for the cheapest sources of labor. It sounds like a good system, because progress is cheap, but it also means that people are going to live until they are unbearably poor, and it isn't going to stop. As I said, it's going to be like they have rips in their pockets; the more money they get, the more they lose; and they only have an ambition to gain more money is because they are losing so much.

What a stupidass conclusion. Only dumbass millennials think like this. Competition also means higher wages you dumbass. As one industry gets oversaturated and wages go down other industries get undersaturated and wages go up which shifts where the labor goes. But millennials working at Starbucks often miss this because they're too pussy to redevelop their skillset based on demand.

>>132250908
They may or may not work together. It won't matter. The sheer force of the numbers, whether they all like each other or not, will bury you. And good riddance.

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>>132250493
NOT SCARED. CAPITALISM WILL NEVER END BECAUSE IT IS AN IDEA. I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE AS I AM POOR. BUT I AM NO COMMIE SCUM WHO THINKS STEALING IS SOMEHOW IS MORAL. YOU STAND ON THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS

>>132250784
More like dead socialists. You think it's a coincidence it's the capitalists that strongly believe in the 2nd amendment and the right to self defense. Socialists live in a fucking delusional bubble.

>>132250682

>>132250682

Working hundreds of hours and taking the responsibility to lead companies with thousands of employees is lazy?
We know the system works because the most conscientious and intelligent people are at the top
Look at the Pareto distribution, 20% of the people doing 80% of all the work is NOT just a meme, it's reality
Without them society would not exist
Get off your lazy ass, sort yourself out, and make something of yourself

>>132251062
>Black Book of Communism numbers

Lel.

>Stealing

is what employers do.

>>132251061

You're delusional if you think economic interests will ever override racial interests. Poor blacks and poor whites hate each other and would sooner tear each other up than fight some abstract enemy.

You are one blue-pilled motherfucker.

>>132251156
what i am afraid of is 401ks being raided by a law being passed where all retirement accounts must "invest" in government securities in order to sustain the us government when the petrodollar is destroyed

I love communists. Because they mainly murder other communists.

>>132251231
JUST LAUGH AT ALL THE DEATH YOUR CRAP RELIGION HAS CAUSED

>>132251156
LOL you think the drunkard trash in Kentucky and the South are going to win any battles for you? They've got a lot of guns that they're too drunk and/or inbred to fire without shooting themselves.

Automation=rapid unemployment=hungry people=angry people=dead rich people everywhere. You know it's coming. Enjoy the twilight of capitalism while it lasts.

>>132251320
You're attacking a strawman, unsurprising given the high number of dullard pseudo-intellectuals attracted to ancap BS. Whether they work together or not, whether they stop fighting each other or not, capitalism will die. The rich will die. In all likelihood, you will die. Have fun for now.

>>132251463

Dumb hipster shill, look at the poorest people in America right now. They are not blaming 'capitalists' for their woes, they are blaming whitey.

RACE OVERRIDES ECONOMICS, EVERY TIME.

>>132251408

>Overcoming amnesia, suppose we now apply the methodology of the Black Book and its reviewers to the full story, not just the doctrinally acceptable half. We therefore conclude that in India the democratic capitalist "experiment" since 1947 has caused more deaths than in the entire history of the "colossal, wholly failed...experiment" of Communism everywhere since 1917: over 100 million deaths by 1979, tens of millions more since, in India alone.

http://www.spectrezine.org/global/chomsky.htm

what is anarcho cap i know only the king of the north whos name is spencer

>>132251639
So you don't think they'll kill *rich whities* too when automation puts half the globe out of business?

Again, I think you're overthinking the simplicity of what I am saying. Which is: the rich are going to die en masse soon. Whatever else happens, who knows. But your heroes will be hanging from trees, most likely in your lifetime.

>>132251608
ALL RUSSIANS LAUGH AT WESTERN WANNA-BE COMMUNISTS. THOSE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED UNDER COMMUNISM CAN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE HIPSTERFAGGOTS OVER HERE WHO THINK COMMUNISM IS KOOL

>>132251920

alt right really is a meme. its cant be a coincidence that flat earth theory resurfaced right around the time the alt right presented itself.

>>132251991
Soviet Union was state-capitalist. But it was definitely better than the neoliberal, Friedman-style global capitalism we nearly all live under now.

Also, you're just wrong.

>Most Russians regret USSR collapse, dream of its return, poll shows

https://www.rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/

I started reading the article but got tired after not finding a fucking argument after 4 paragraphs.

So, OP, do you mind pointing exactly why Anarcho Capitalism is crap?

>>132251633
*economic freedom* is a meme-tier measurement of how capitalist a country is. Most of the third world scores low on "economic freedom" tests despite the fact that there's virtually no oversight of many aspects of business there.

>>132252302
>Friedman style capitalism when 50% of the economy is in the hands of the democratic whims of the retarded population
>Soviet union was better

Holy shit you're so fucking deluded.

>>132252272
Oh, no doubt. The alt-right is primarily impotent nerds who have no critical thinking abilities, whose beliefs are entirely determined by how cool the YouTube video is, and got interested in politics mostly because feminists said bad things about Tomb Raider girl during Gamergate.

The alt-right isn't a threat in the slightest. But it is fun letting them know, since they're curious about politics now, that the petit-bourgeois lifestyle their parents have given them will be gone pretty soon. So, they better enjoy those video games while they got 'em. When the streets run red with the blood of the capitalist class, the party will be over.

>>132252366

>totalitarian dictators and tribal warlords are not actually controlling when it comes to business

Oh okay. Well I mean if you say so.

>>132239633
That's my purse, I don't know you!

Does /pol/ consider ancap as someone who is in favour of NO GOVERNMENT, or minimal government?

>>132241391
>T. Slavic cocaine man

>>132252652
>Pulls numbers out of ass
>Doesn't refute anything said

Holy shit you're so fucking autistic. Like most of /pol/.

I mean again, have fun while it lasts. Just remember: we will bathe you in the blood of your TED Talk heroes!

>>132252744
They don't enforce a lot of laws that we consider common sense. That's why unionized workers "disappear," buildings collapse from lack of building codes, and workers often lose limbs to machinery accidents.

>>132241494
>I have an english degree
HAHAHAHAAHAHAH hows working at starbucks faggot ?

>>132252883
It doesn't really matter. Without a fairly strong government to interfere, there's no way to enforce property rights that won't devolve quickly into mercenary chaos. Good thing it's all just a pipe dream popular among 4chan autists, anyway.

While you're here, did you know capitalist scum will be extinct in your lifetime? Just sayin'. We will bury you.

>>132252979
>Pulls numbers out of ass

What's the average % of the economy controlled by the state in occidental countries? Direct and indirect taxes. EU averages 46%. That's not counting the major impact of regulations in the economy, which would raise the amount of democratically controlled economy to 70% easily.

>Doesn't refute anything said

You didn't say anything, just random rambling about neoliberal forces in the shadow and all that fucking BS marxists talk about to camouflage how empty their rhetoric actually is.

You didn't (and can't) demonstrate how the world is currently Friendman style capitalism, you didn't state which factors you used to state your retarded opinion about the USSR being better than any modern occidental country, you just put two random sentences extracted from a couple of tweets and that's all, that's the depth of your critique.

You're a simple brainlet and way out of your league in this board.

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>>132244394
Capitalism started off as a practice, like carpentry. It's an ideology now because too many people said "this is wrong we need to stop this".

>>132249952
what's the evil system enforced by capitalism? it's all consensual m8, even if life is hard and shit

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>>132239633
FOLLOW BANNON
DISREGARD DISGUSTING CAPITALIST FILTH

>>132250429
Yes. of the individual.
What happens when anon dies?
Who gets the stuff? Is it up for grabs, or is it inherited dynastically?
Dynastic ownership would imply collective rights.

>>132250941
>Each individual is trading something they value less than the thing they're receiving
Which is benefiting at the expense of another person's deficit. This is fundamentally WHY products become cheap.

If I sell apples, I'm going to sell apples at the most expensive price I could sell them for. If the market doesn't want that price, I will lower my price; I want to make sure that the money getting to me exceeds the money I'm spending to produce the apples; in fact, I want to spend as little as I can to produce apples. To produce as little as I can, I would have to buy the cheapest fertilizers, wheel barrows, etc, which would effectively make competitors selling fertilizer drop their prices, resulting in cheap apples. Everyone seeks the highest return for the lowest cost. The deficit I speak of, is the perpetual cheapness of the individual, because he works for himself only.

>So called lunchroom trading that happens in elementary schools.
Yes, because there's no abundance.
If I trade an apple for a peach at school, it's only because I have one apple. If i had multiple apples, this could be a person that I'd give a free apple to if he were a friend.

>Competition also means higher wages you dumbass.
In an economy that aims for cheaper product, it's going to aim for a cheaper workforce. You may get that higher wage, but it's only because you're worth it. In the industrial revolution, this led to children working the hours that most people would refuse today; in fact, the average working hours of people during the industrial revolution was 100 hours per week. Some millennials only put in 3 hours a day (excluding weekends), but they're often part-time minimum wage jobs which there are alot of, and they are slowly being unable to pay for their living expenses.

>>132250941
Cont'd

>Competition also means higher wages you dumbass.
Another thing wrong with this is your assumption that laborers can set the demand. It's not the laborers making the demand; it's the employers. They set the demand, because they have economic priority. How can your average joe expect a high-wage job? He has to earn it.. In other words, he has to bring value to the table, value that the employers demand.

>>132244735
The founders also knew that governments tend to not really give much of a shit about rights, which is why SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>>132239633
I was AnCap in high school as most AnCaps are.

>>132256360
>Who gets the stuff? Is it up for grabs, or is it inherited dynastically?
>Dynastic ownership would imply collective rights.

Do you know what self-ownership is? It is the idea that you own your body and the actions of your body, it is the idea behind criminal punishment, and it is also the idea behind private property.

Voluntarily renouncing legitimate claim over the production of your labor in favor of a specific person does not in any way imply collective rights.

In fact, you could even define inheritances it as payment for the services offered in life, a postmortem payment.

To argue that this implies collective rights is to argue that selling a service implies collective rights, which is beyond retarded.

>>132239633
tell me why I'm wrong, then I'll tell you why you're wrong.
I'm a libertarian; I don't use the label of ancap, but it's basically what I am.

>>132247881
>Capitalism is absolutely based on predatory habits, not necessarily nature. If we examine a plant, there are no capitalistic habits, as nothing is consumed that isn't immediately replaced. Nature (plants, environments) do everything in their power to keep their soils clean, waters clean, air clean. Capitalism obviously ain't doing that. Lets agree that its based on animals habits, take and give, etc. Predation is the word that many economists agree upon (predatory habits).

All these plants and animals actually shit up their environment in many ways. Capitalism based off nature is more of a competitive argument that ties into the mechanics of evolution.

>lets say the wolf pack reaches a size of nearly 8 billion, and is operation at a global level. they are consuming /all/ of their food sources at once, and so scarcity is inevitable. this is how the pack starves. they eat all the rabbit, all the deer at once, and when they turn around, nothing is left to sustain them.

If a population grows to massive to sustain itself, said population will diminish. Not exactly breakthrough stuff there, guy.

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ancap is a phase you def grow out of, that was me in my late teens early 20s

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>>132256753
Salaries are, like every single cost, exposed to supply and demand. An excess of supply in one field generates higher demand, and therefore higher salaries.

Salaries, however, is just a number, purchasing power is what is determinant in our quality of life, and an increased production through competition, as the anon you quoted stated, will ALWAYS make us all wealthier.

Wealth is not salary, wealth is the amount of goods produced by a society.

>>132258061

>ancap is something you grow out of, so let me post a meme that shows that I never understood what ancap is and how competition in governance and voluntary interactions would suppose a tremendous difference by themselves.

>>132258526
>An excess of supply in one field generates higher demand

*A shortage of supply in one field generates higher demand

>>132250272
>Each individual in the trade assumes he is the one benefiting at the expense of the other person's deficit.
Muh zero sum game. You're completely incorrect. If I trade $5 for some burgers, I'm winning because I get some delicious burgers and the owner is winning because he is generating a profit. Or if I trade two hits of LSD for one hit of MDMA, I win because now I get to roll and they win because now they get to trip.

If the government comes in and takes 20% of your paycheck and gibs it to welfare whores, that's a robbery.

>>132251463

>hungry people=angry people=dead rich people everywhere

that is not what happens at all

look at any examples of famines either in the past or currently

hungry people=weak people=dead people

rich people=buy food/military=survive

>>132256360
>Which is benefiting at the expense of another person's deficit. This is fundamentally WHY products become cheap.

No fundamentally products become cheap because efficiency in production, market competition and abundance.

>The deficit I speak of, is the perpetual cheapness of the individual, because he works for himself only.

False premise, price is not the only thing consumers look for. There's also convenience (speed) and quality. Not everyone shops at the dollar store.

>In an economy that aims for cheaper product, it's going to aim for a cheaper workforce.

blah blah blah I think price is the only motivator in a capitalist society thus my entire premise is flawed and childish

Anarchist is just a fancy term for nigger. Would you buy a piece of land and just say hey everyone come live on it for free with no rules, and lets just see how it goes? These two in the debate are just retards.

>>132258526
The problem with anarchism in general is that it is inherently paradoxical. Either you impose restrictions on interactions, which is not anarchy and, without systems to enforce said restrictions will never stay in effect, or you do not restrict interactions, creating the meme that is AnCap.

Anarcho-capitalism can never function on a large scale, but it would have to be implemented globally to stop proper states from conquering AnCapistan. If it were implemented globally there would be nothing to stop corporations from becoming de facto governments and then nothing would change, except you would be paying money to a for-profit company. Refuse to pay rent and you get evicted. Corporations would force systems effectively resembling government, and there would be nothing to stop them from banding together and paralyzing the economy in the event of a boycott.

>>132259849
>Corporations would force systems effectively resembling government

Corporations can't exist without government protection. Large corporations exclusively exist by using governments to create laws and regulations that only they have the money to adhere to. Everything from patents to environmental regulation is used to squeeze out new competition. Mega corporations simply could not survive in a competitive free society.

>>132259849
>Either you impose restrictions on interactions, which is not anarchy

Let me stop you right there.

If I have a house and proclaim that people are not allowed to smoke in my house, does it stop being anarchy?

Anarchy is not the absence of rules or restrictions. It is the absence of rulers.

>>132251231
And thats where are problems lie, really. The capitalists and communists see work and its results differently.

The Communists see work in the Capitalist labor system as exploitation.
The Capitalists see the labor hierarchies and wealth inequalities as facts of life.

>>132257497
>Self ownership
>The idea that I can impoverish my descendants

>>132259587
>No fundamentally products become cheap because efficiency in production, market competition and abundance.
It's cheap fundamentally because of competition.
Competition, as I said, at the expense of someone else's deficit.
It could be implied or indirect; but the point is, by getting something of greater value for something you give (as collateral), you're always benefiting yourself at the expense of someone else's deficit.

>False premise, price is not the only thing consumers look for. There's also convenience (speed) and quality. Not everyone shops at the dollar store.
Those that put their store closer to more people essentially did better; but they bought that property at the behest of the market, which, as I said, was inherently selfish.
>Quality
You're only satisfied with quality for as long as that quality exists in high demand. If we were talking about a tool, then you're probably paying extra for higher quality, but you probably wouldn't have gone with the higher quality if it were advantageous to get the cheaper grade products. It depends on your need or situation in the MARKET. If this were a video game console, then you're only keeping up with the jones', so to speak, because there's nothing inherently better about the ps4 over the Super Nintendo, for example. You can say "Well, it has all these new parts and new technologies", but I could say that I had more fun on the super nintendo (which I did). The graphics, sound and controls are just marketing at its finest.

Everything in a capitalist society is built to entrance buyers.
Your essentials (food, water, shelter) can be cheap, majority of people are stuck in capitalism and go for everything.

>blah blah blah I think price is the only motivator in a capitalist society thus my entire premise is flawed and childish
Well it really is the only motivator.

>>132258983
>You're completely incorrect. If I trade $5 for some burgers, I'm winning because I get some delicious burgers and the owner is winning because he is generating a profit.

You buy 5 dollars worth of burgers because the burgers were worth more to you than the money you gave the owner.
The owner sold burgers to you, because he realized he could sell you cheap dog shit for 5$. You're both benefiting from the other's deficit.
Again... This is why capitalism always gets cheap product. The ones that don't sell (the expense is too great, whether that be the quality, the convenience, or the price) will lose out, because the competitor with the cheapest available resources was able to make some money. When walmart came to my town, a lot of people went out of business. You could say "Walmart offered cheaper prices", but the ironic thing is that though the prices are cheaper, the cost of living is still going up.

>>132262617
>Competition, as I said, at the expense of someone else's deficit.

You're fucking stupid. There is no "deficit" in voluntary trade. People are voluntarily giving something to receive something. If the trade wasn't worth it to the parties, then it wouldn't happen. People don't willingly do trades where there is a deficit only through coercion do these types of trades happen.

But honestly, I think you're an brainwashed imbecile so I won't try to explain this to you any further.