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Why men are loving the Orthodox Church:
>I emailed a hundred Orthodox men, most of whom joined the Church as adults. What do they think makes this church particularly attractive to men? Their responses, below, may spark some ideas for leaders in other churches, who are looking for ways to keep guys in the church.

http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2010/10/why-orthodox-men-love-church

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Orthodox and Catholic compared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZtbnaXuGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxcOv4zPoVo

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Ten differences between Orthodox and Catholicism.

1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.

2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement". The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).

3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

4. The Orthodox reject the idea that our understanding of dogma develops. The idea is to keep the exact same understanding the Apostles have, invented terminology is not meant to develop the understanding, but to PROTECT it from being "developed".

5. Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.

6. The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.

7. The Orthodox reject Purgatory. The Orthodox do, however, distinguish Sheol (called "Hades" in Greek) from Gehenna.

8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period. Two consistent fast days (almost every Wednesday and Friday, no meat, dairy, eggs, fish, oils or wine) trace back at least to the Didache.

9. Orthodox draw most of their priests from the married laity, but most of their bishops from monks.

10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.

>>132145984
This is also nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhalXTQUiUs

>>132148413
Oh, yes, it's beautiful

>>132145984
>Divna Ljubojevic
She's the pride of Serbia,such a beutifull voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lTc4ckAS6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewCMAjypqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKnR9LqvYqk

>>132148360
>Sheol
>Gehenna

elaborate

>tfw greek orthodox but haven't been able to speak greek at any capacity since primary school
dunno what the priest even says during easter service lol

>>132150858
learn famalam, never been easier to learn a language

>>132150221
Yup

>>132150470
Sheol is a desolate void, similar to Hades (which is why it is translated as that in Greek) . Before Christ died, it was where even the virtuous went. Gehenna on the other hand is an intense, fiery state of torment

>>132145984
I would love to be a based orthodox christian, but unfortunally, marxism fucked me up good and Im now a shitty atheist :(

>>132151091
>Gehenna on the other hand is an intense, fiery state of torment
So if im taking this and
>>132148360
>3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

togeather, then sheol is a place, and gehenna is the name of a state of existing rather than a location?

Also whats sheol up to these days then?

I guess I'll dump some of mine favorite songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCnTqnxUNEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MkA1UeHi_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKYGnVVRJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLTlqaFZhpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnc2QVdSyq8

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>>132145984
The Orthodox Church - where priests put out hits on each other to get coveted positions. Truly there is no more fitting church for Slavs.

>>132148360
Elaborate on #2?

>>132145984
Explain your garments. The colors change, looks like the father has a mortar board on his hip, deacons have long lineaments, while the father's are not so adorned.

>>132151634
Women don't turn out to be a huge hooers as Protestants because they have Mary to look up to.

>>132151994
This never happens,and the only time our Church killed anyone that was our Tsar Dusan who was about to go to the Vatican to convert to be a Catholic.

>The oldest and first Church
No. The first church was in Israel.

>>132150858
You should learn, although your parish will most likely switch to English within your lifetime. They go by the majority language used by the parishioners

>>132151902
Christ basically ended it with the harrowing of hell

>>132152255
The Orthodox see Christ as rasoming us from the devil, not God. The devil dun goofed tho, and lost everything when Christ conquered death.

>>132152781
>ended it
Like it no longer exists now? Or is it just empty?

>>132145984
Patriarchal see of Jerusalem was the first church though...

>>132152781
>>132152963
>>132151091


I love how nobody is quoting anything here, this already is giving me ten red flags at the same time.

>>132145984
>oldest
Catholics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AtwPxD2ydk

Why did the orthodox start calling themselves orthodox? Obviously every church considers themselves orthodox, no one would call themselves a heterodox church would they. Orthodox as a title for a church is implied and superfluous. Could it be because there is an inferiority complex in the see of Constantinople compared to Rome seeing as Constantinople used to be the lowest ranked see and not even considered one due to having no religious and only secular significance? Really gets the noggin joggin

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I like Orthodoxy but I feel like I'm larping because I'm not a Slav.
I also don't believe these lies about "oldest church". Orthodox had their schisms, too.

>>The Patriarch is the head of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre, and the religious leader of about 130,000 Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Holy Land,most of them Palestinians.

>tfw baptised as an infant but haven't been to church for almost a decade
Is it a coincidence that my life took a turn for the worse during that time?

>>132152775
Yes, and it is Orthodox. The Church around Christ's tomb is even Orthodox

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>>132145984
So glad this thread exists. I am a Christian man , but obviously most evangelical churches around me are cucked. I need a non cucked church pol,help me. Is orthodoxy for me? Redpill me on solos scripture.

>>132153588
See The Orthodox Church and The Orthodox Way, by Kallistos Ware, and the four volume Orthodox Christianity by Hilarion of Vienna. See Saint Isaac the Syrian's words on hell as God's love, and On the Incarnation by Saint Athanasius for our view on atonement and ransom

>>132155229
Sola scriptura

>>132153836
Nope, they split from us>>132154407

Catholic here. Thought about converting to eastern orthodox.
From an outsiders perspective is the Catholic church priests pedophiles? I'm asking this cause the more I look Into it the more I find out things I never knew.

>>132154407
Every Church also sees themselves as Catholic, durr. The "Orthodox faith" as a credal term started with John of Damascus, though, I think

>>132154500
Yes, but we now share full communion with the Copts in sacrament, we're just working out the details on paper.

Orthodoxy was started by Jews, not slavs.

>>132155950
>The "Orthodox faith" as a credal term started with John of Damascus
No, it goes back to Nicaean council to distinguish Church from Arianism

>>132147184
Out of curiosity I browsed the journeytoorthodoxy website, and it seems that they (and an affiliate Orthodoxy in America group) are interested in de-ethnicizing Orthodox in the name of making it a universal religion that accepts all races and ethnicities. My question is, are all Orthodox groups like this? That is, fucking retarded, ethnomasochistic, and willing to not only dive head first into Protestantization and give up the single thing that makes them unique amongst all Christian denominations (that is, the fact that Orthodoxy is pretty much the only thing Europeans have that could in any way be called an ethnoreligion)?

>>132155229
The Bible's a book compiled and edited by fallible men and the books themselves were written by fallible men. You are a fallible man. The Apostles, however, were certainly a bit better educated in what Christ wanted than you (or anyone today) so in order to properly understand the Bible (as again, you are fallible and can misinterpret it through no fault of your own) you use Tradition to understand what it's supposed to mean.

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>>132145984
based Orthodoxy

>>132156175
Since when?

>>132156175
I need some source on that
T. Convert willing prottie in between the two original churches

>>132145984
Guy in the first vid looks like the cartoon (((merchant))))

>>132154931
Untrue.

>>132157464
>>132157113
Jesus? The Apostles? Christ's genealogy is listed at the beginning of Matthew and every one of the Apostles was a Jew. Hell, the first gentile to convert was an Ethiopian.

What part of "Apostolic" and "Founded by the Apostles" and "Church of the Apostles" did you guys not get?

>>132150858
lel, join the club

There is an Oriental Orthodox Coptic Church in my area. The priest of the parish is from Egypt and the parish looks really authentic. I'm thinking about going in there, but am I already off to a bad start? I know Oriental isn't Eastern Orthodox, but I don't know all the big differences.

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>>132154407
this decrepit kike is allover the board
>Could it be because there is an inferiority complex in the see of Constantinople compared to Rome seeing as Constantinople used to be the lowest ranked see and not even considered one due to having no religious and only secular significance? Really gets the noggin joggin

DISINFO
>>132153580
reference?

>>132154500
Grreks, Armenians, Syrians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Haile Selassie, even English. You need ask for a US Orth Church

>>132156589
if in doubt, Mount Athos

>>132157589
well only an Orthodox is allowed to enter .

>>132156175
>Yes, but we now share full communion with the Copts in sacrament,
no

>>132157880
Full communion with the Copts in sacrament
it is just now that the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) and it's daughter church, the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) are beginning to receive communion with each other- after beginning talks over 20 years ago.

>so Copts yes!

>>132157860
>if in doubt, Mount Athos
Have they, or any authority in Orthodoxy come out with an explicit ruling or statement on ethnic churches?

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>>132145984
>oldest and first church
I think you mean THIS (pic related)

THIS IS YOUR RELIGION, GOYIM!

Fucking christfags
>>>/trash/

>>132157782
>I know Oriental isn't Eastern Orthodox, but I don't know all the big differences.
Oriental ""Orthodox"" is no such thing. They are a Protestant-tier heresy, just a much older one than Protestantism. Even Roman Catholicism is better.

P.S. Them being heretics is why they got BTFO by Muslims. Notice that normal Orthodox (not heretics) never get conquered by Islam.

>>132145984
>You can divorce your wife three times :^)
No thanks.

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>>132158353
>Oriental ""Orthodox"" is no such thing. They are a Protestant-tier heresy, just a much older one than Protestantism. Even Roman Catholicism is better.
thank you
finally someone who gets it

>>132158102
Not that I'm aware of unless a councel of Churches is done for doctrine , Ethnic Churches have little difference but nothing drastic or crucial.

Mt. Athos you go to get a one on one with people that are literally out of this world ,some of them can explain exactly everything , since they have spiritual gifts.

>>132158353
This, God wanted Armenian genocide and he will make it happen again.

Is it easy to "convert"? Do I even have to convert? I guess so, since the sacraments aren't the same.

I am Catholic but I am disgusted by the current church.
My gf is Romanian, and I will soon live there. I need to study more about it, especially if it's more "authentic". But what are the requirements?

>>132159717
i think not, but you could

>>132159717
Catholic sacraments are considered valid by us, including baptism. Just ask a priest or bishop, when you'll go to Romania.

>>132157674
No I ment full communion.
Don't copts deviate from Orthodoxy already before the Great Schism?

>>132158353
so, greeks are heretics? which ones are the normal orthodox?

I'm sincerely asking.

>>132160229
No, Armenians, Syrians, Ethiopians and Copts, all the shitskin Christians.

>>132160481
but greeks were conquered? what does russian bro mean by that then?
>Notice that normal Orthodox (not heretics) never get conquered by Islam

>>132160210
yes they do
I have no Idea where did he get that information. They are heretics since council of chalcedon

>>132160727
They are doing fine now and are not conquered at this moment.

>>132160846
ah, you talk about now? then armenians, syrians and ethiopians are not heretics either. they are free nations.

>>132145984
I don't care how old the "church" is if it believes in Satanic bullshit doctrines that are not Biblical.

>>132155950
But catholic is the true title of the church and actually has meaning to it (whole and universal) whereas orthodox just means correct which is an implied belief. Orthodox was used when talking about an ideal beyond human knowledge : god's divine ideal, but has no use for actual titles of entities

>>132161076
No, they are heretics because they are oriental. Russian was mostly right. Syria is a muslim country now.

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>>132161157
are you a burptist, by any chance?

>>132160727
no Greeks were never conquered you faggot, byzantium was , they threw you out and reinstated their Greece land

>>132161157
actually it doesn't , it knows very well what satan is but that's not for the flock, just follow the rules

>>132157860
Reference is in the new testament with James the just as the first patriarch and the fact that the church is set up in jerusalem

>>132161398
nope, the whole greece got conquered in 1470. and fuck off, I'm not shitposting here.
>>132161362
so, there are orientals for you. russian bro seems to disagree to this.

>>132159717
You're already a part of it. It's the same church just not in communion.

>>132161390
what? so instead of defending your unbiblical doctrines you're just gonna accuse your critics of being some random denomination that you don't agree with?

i can start with the baby baptizing which is just beyond insanity and weird. the idolatry and weird ranks and titles and clothing that are utterly and completely unbiblical is a whole other story.

>>132145984
>The oldest and first Church! The Orthodox Church!
the Orthodox Church goes back to the Schism of 1054... far from the oldest mate

>>132161756
they were byzantines you mongrel , fuck you back
>/pol/ is for Christians and you'll never be one

>>132161974
No one cares protestant. Stop polluting actual theological discussion with baby's first heresy

>>132162039
it goes back to 33 it is the same from 33 till 1054 , rome breaks off in different direction , Orthodox continues till ..... today , got that proddie ?

>>132161637
yes but does it say james was in jerusalem , in a church ?

>>132162144
not a protestant, but keep throwing denominations around, it's fun.

>no one cares

I care about the Word of God, apparently you don't, heretic.

>>132162257
so a major fraction in the Orthodox church doesn't count but small differences under Roman popes does count? seems like a pretty biased time count mate

>>132162100
>they were byzantines
eastern romans was done in 1453. all other lands in greece, was morean despotate. learn some history.
>/pol/ is for Christians and you'll never be one
kek.

>>132162389
Yes he was an ordained bishop therefore he was the church and he was in jewrusalem

>>132162100
>/pol/ is for Christians
False /pol/ is a pro-white board only

>>132162450
You probably don't even realise that the word of god is Jesus and not the bible. Now that's idolatry

>>132162451
nono 33-2017 all counts , you forget Rome was 'Orthodox' from 33 till 1054 , untill it called itself ' the catholics' and started cooking the books for themselves

>>132162592
nice shortcut but no , the first church was in Antioch

>>132145984
Reporting in.

>>132162722
lol, you're not even trying anymore satan. the words of the LORD are PURE WORDS, how about you follow them instead of practicing idolatry and satanic rituals?

>>132162952
Oh so not in constantinople. I guess that means the oriental orthodox church is the first not the eastern orthodox

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>>132158353
>>132159282
>>132160229
>>132160481

The Council of Chalcedon and the Armenian Church by Karekin I:
>Ed. Dulaurier, the distinguished French armenologist of the nineteenth century, in his Histotre, Dogmes, Traditions et Liturgie de I'Eglise Armtnienne Orientals, asserts that the Armenian rejection of the Council of Chalcedon can be explained on linguistic grounds. Thus, he claims that the Armenian word womn, which is used in the translation of Leo's Tome in reference to each nature of Christ, denotes a person; therefore, the Two Natures were understood as Two Persons. And, in addition, the Armenian language being "peu travaillee" at that time, could not render the abstract notions associated with such words as vais, wroaraats, ovaia.

The schisms are all memes, there's no difference.

The Pope was being autistic and wanted to establish Rome's supremacy by shifting political religious power from the East to the West.

Orthodoxy is always so cool to read about

>>132163114
Lol what is the gospel of John?

"In the beggininng was the word and the word was with god and the word was god"

He's not saying that the KJV bible was with and was god in the beginning you jabroni.

>>132163365
>He's not saying that the KJV bible was with and was god in the beginning you jabroni

never did I suggest that.

>>132153588

Are you completely unable to eat your own food, as well as use the modern marvel that is the internet to research concepts?

>>132145984
May Yah bless you all for sending these great things out to us............Thanks they were very nice to hear...Non Nobis Dominae

>>132163234
Rome always had supremacy, every patriarch acknowledged this. Constantinople full of pride kept trying to make themselves a holy see and then the second most in importance by carrying out fake ecumenical councils after the roman delegates had left.

>muh new Rome
>muh secular authority and no religious significance

>>132158353
>P.S. Them being heretics is why they got BTFO by Muslims. Notice that normal Orthodox (not heretics) never get conquered by Islam.
Because they were more westward and Islam spread from the east. Any what alternate reality do you live in? All of "normal" Orthodoxy got btfo by Islam afterward except for Russia (which is too big and useless to take over).

Why did God's wrath end at the Catholic border?

>>132163162
just shut up already you are polluting the discourse with annoying garbage and meta-arguments

>just fuck off

>>132155229
I've gone from Pentecostal to Antiochian Orthodox and it's night and day. The Pentecostal church was a place for women to bitch and moan, kneel and cry and use prayer requests to get pitty points and gossip. There is none of that at the Orthodox Cathedral. They fast , a lot. Women are all trim, have or 4 kids, and 98% white

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>>132164063
Congratulations brother welcome to the one holy catholic and apostolic church

>>132164063
congradulations from me too, i;m really happy you did it

>>132164041
I'm sorry you couldn't think of a rebuttal and had to resort to swearing. Not very good idea for evangelising

>>132163679
>Rome always had supremacy, every patriarch acknowledged this.
Nope, they were all seperate churches with full communion until the Pope was autistic enough to come up with a "One/True" church.

The Eastern Roman Empire was where practically all of the great settlements of antiquity were. That's the whole reason for the Islamic 'Golden Age'. The Western Roman Empire was mostly just forests.

The "Great" Schism was the result of political rivalry between the post-Roman European nation states and Byzantine empire, not dogma.

>>132164375
buffoon
Antioch is eastern orth , not oriental , even if its the orient

>>132164535
yes but a change in dogma was used as pretext to split, and after rome changed it once , then it changed it twice to get another politic move in the bag , and then changed again and again .... ergo rome not a real church anymore

>>132164535
St Cyprian on a dispute between patriarchal sees "Rome has spoken, the matter is settled".

Oneness is one of the 4 aspects of the church that every patriarch accepts as of council of niceia and ordained by Jesus saying one body. Rome doesn't exclude the other communions anyway, from Rome's perspective we are all in full communion it is just the other three communions reject this offer. It is not Rome who claims to be the only valid and true communion but the orthodox.

We can certainly agree that the schism was due to politics not dogma though

>>132165024
You reject the sacrament of ordination? In orthodox theology the church lies with the bishop.

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>>132145984
>The oldest and first Church

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You should denounce God and masturbate instead. Feels much better than praying. Try it out.

>>132164803
Nope the see of Antioch schismed with chalcedony. That's oriental

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The only and true christians

Bump for Christ and uncuckening of western men

>TFW your priest hold sermon about how the black hordes are overrunning Europe whereas cathocucks hold mass in Arabic to honor refugees and preach islam

>>132165307
Cyprian was a member of the Roman church.

Oneness was accepted, but not with Rome as the supreme authority. And of course the Roman church was the one that tarnished oneness by declaring heresies for political purposes.

>>132165834
yes ok, but theres the 'eastern orth church of antioch' as well, the one present in US , obv it split AFTER it was started there

>>132165614
This is probably the best comment here. The Catholics and Orthodox here saying the other began in 1054 don't realize that they were BOTH founded in 1054.

>>132166246
yes because Rome keeps altering dogma , and claims were all equal, the others dont follow rome and say no , we are thre real thing, you are your own creation and you r claim to communion is false and invalid

>>132165497
i reject everything post schism that was altered or taken by rome as an arbitrary assumption

>>132166246
I'm pretty sure Carthage falls under the see of Alexandria making him oriental. But this was in the 3rd century before any signs of schisms had even begun.

He is venerated in orthodoxy anyway. You should respect his wise words

>>132166461
Eastern orth antiochan patriarchate was founded in the last century.

Eastern orthodoxy was founded in the see of Constantinople during the ecumenical councils

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>>132166905
Carthage isn't Egypt

>>132166866
Doesn't invalidate ordination since it was a sacrament formed by Jesus and the apostles. A bishop is a bishop is a bishop and has the whole and universal church with him so long as he has had a valid ordination

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>>132165614
>posting this
>confirms you've never read the New Testament
>calling anyone a goy
Wew

>>132167304
Alexandria administers all of africa

Actually Jesus could've been a Buddha - or at least Bodhisattva. What do you think about that ? It would actually make sense and not render him or his alleged deeds worthless but actually reinforce his nature.

How does the orthodox church stand with regards to Buddhism ? Because I can see both being similar - apart from delicate notions about mythology, of course - in some ways, especially when it comes about the compassion and the desire to redeem every being.

>>132167536
Not in Cyprian's time (and not even in the present considering the Ethiopian and Eritean churches)

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>>132166672
wrong the were the same holy church till 1054 since the beginning , in 1054 broke away , the orth said well were orth now , and put that in their name . you understand ? then kept going on not deviating
>>132167102
i think its 1000+ years older than that, US antioch orth. might be last centuries ,

>>132167705
Buddhism is atheism and retarded. Into the fiery pit it goes

>>132167380
obv not after he falls from grace

>>132167845

See this is where I stop understanding you people. The idea is practically the same, just the details are a bit different. But because Buddhists do not explicitely worship god or Jesus, you basically disassociate yourself from them and then
>let the heretics burn
?

That's a pretty sad state of affairs. But whatever floats your boat, as long as you're doing the right, compassionate thing.

>>132167928
Donatism is a heresy. A bishop cannot stop being a bishop

>>132168150
Buddhism rejects god. It is anti christian theology. Why should we care about something not even vaguely related to us

>>132160229
He means "weren't conquered" in the sense that they have regained their country, unlike the Ortiental Orthodoxes. Every country was conquered at some time in history.

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>>132145984
Why are there so many racists in the Orthodox Church?

>>132145984
None of you faggots have been to church in years and potentially never while also you never practice them, admit it

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>>132168364
thats a cyclical argument, it goes without saying that a mad or dishonest bishop well, excommunication , after that he might say i am vicarius deei , who cares

>>132168501

Because they care about you.
However, I'm not going to have this discussion. You gave your answer and I thank you for that.

Have a nice evening.

>>132168658

Because we are not communists like the Cathocucks or liberals like the protestants.

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>>132168706
nice one

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>>132168658
It invested with racists

>>132152591
Based Church. We had a 180 turn situation, when metropolitan of Rus came from Rome and said WE WUZ CATHOLICS and IMA CARDINAL NAO so russian tsar threw him into dungeon.

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>>132163679
>Rome always had supremacy, every patriarch acknowledged this.
> Constantinople full of pride ...

why are papist so retarded?

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>a bunch of psuedo-jews arguing, squabbling and further dividing themselves over who's fairytale is right, all while becoming increasingly irrelevant in Western society

Loving every laugh

>>132168844

Because one must be brain dead or corrupt to be a catholic.

>>132168747
You disagree with orthodox theology that donatism is heresy and bishops never stop being bishops?

Even heretic bishops and apostates are still bishops even if excommunicated and as long as they perform valid ordinations then they pass on their apostolic authority. Hence why Assyrian bishops are still valid even after a millennium of accusations of nestorianism

>>132168868
>Christian denominations
>increasingly irrelevant in Western society

They are becoming increasing relevant in all European countries that will survive the Demographic change. In the grand Scheme of things it does matter if Christianity becomes less relevant in Germany, Sweden, France, because these countries will cease to exist anyway.

>>132169055

>as long as they perform valid ordinations
Too bad Rome hasn't performed valid ordinations in a millennia.

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>>132169127
Sounds good, the less Christcucks the better

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>>132168658
can i entice you with paratrooper priest ?
(very cheap jew meme by the way ¬
¬why is Orthodox so rayciss ???¬¬

>>132168828
so poor

Isn't that where the saying "double crossed" comes from?

>>132168844
Pride is believing a lie that you are better than you are. Humility is accepting the truth even if that truth puts you above others. Do you think god is proud seeing as he knows he is the greatest?

All of the patriarchs rejected Constantinople being recognised as a holy see at first let alone it being number 2

>>132169169
Explain how they are invalid

>>132169055
they pass and excommunicated apostolic authority , one that's self-styled , and are renegade and unlawful ads we see rome being
also this:>>132169169

>>132169469
Doesn't change the validity of the sacrament of ordination

>>132169239
No, you don't understand, there will be more Eastern European Christians, and Eastern Europe will dominate the continent. The people in the US who will make it will also be deeply Christian too. Peoples of European heritage will only have the choice between Christ and damnation.

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>>132169693
Man, you guys sure do love your fantasies, don't you?

>>132169357
i couldnt have heard a more twisted logic, it sure goes well for rome pride thinking its above when its not . EVERYONE REJECTED ROME EVERYONE , you got that ?
>>132169612
the ordinated is no longer a part of the church , he a stranger , might as well be a satanist he shat allover his ordination and was EXCOMMUNICATED OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH , to don't be a FOREIGN ALIEN
OBJECT ANYMORE , who cares what he says now , yes thrown to hell and that's it

>>132170173
Roman catholicism has the mist members and most amount of bishops. Looks like not everyone rejects Rome. It's OK though because we still accept you regardless of whether you reject us.

Heresy. The whole universal church exists with the bishop. The bishop cannot be outside the church because he is the church. And as long as he observes the sacrament of ordination then he will pass on his bishopric

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>>132163234
armenian church has literally never changed since 301 AD, that was why we barely even attended these autism councils.
in fact one of the councils I don't remember which but it might have been the same one was not able to be attended by armenians because they were being invaded by muslims right that moment.
one of their neighbors spoke for them, and it actually turned out to be an important council and armenia was (((schismed))) from greeks.

armenia is blamed for what happened because greeks holding councils every 15 minutes and then a few times we was even attacked by other christians DURING while were being attacked by muslims smdhtbqhwyf

>>132171017
Yup, that was Chalcedon. We're "heretics" because of a translation error (albeit with obvious western-oriented intentions). The schisms are all jokes.

>>132170957
youre such a pretentious retard its incredible, i'm tempted to say you're doing it on purpose just to justify your heresy, EVERYONE REJECTED ROME , MEANS NO OTHER CHURCH AND YOU KNOW IT, what ridiculous ink squirt is that that it the most flock, it's not related to status as valid just that it fooled millions , we can't accept a lying perfidious church its as self evident as it gets

no the heresy the filioque, it was heretical as a double procession, justified as single procession but still cooking the book, and you were excommunicated , it includes loss of sacrament , youre nobody any more , a fired priest and outside the holy eucharist THAT I S A LOSS OF SACRAMENTS , get over it already

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I got a scar on my leg, it's from 2 different accidents 10 years apart.

Kek it faces downward too, pretty spoopy eh.

>>132159717
There is a christmation process that takes a couple of months

>>132163478
>"I'm making a statement"
>"what's your basis?"
>"do your own research lol"

ok

>>132170957
am going to bed , hope you see things a little better

http://www.skarlakidis.gr/en/thema/18--1579-.html

Dear Mr. Skarlakidis,
Thank you for your email dated 31/1/2010. I believe I can be of assistance to your worthy project.

For the last thirty-five years I have been working with Experimental Fracture Mechanics at the Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory of the National University of Athens and I believe wherever there is no scientific explanation, there is a miracle.

I have no reason to doubt the Munich Library manuscript dated to 1634 which gives an account of the miraculous manner of the rupture of the column as well as what ensued: that the Greek patriarch used this Fire to light his candle. I do not believe it is possible to doubt a miracle and especially where there are related accounts.

By examining the fracture from the photographs, we could conclude that it is a result of combined pressure: a combination of electrical discharge (probably a strong lightning bolt) and a large seismic tremor. The electrical discharge, due to the high momentary temperature, embrittled the material in the column down the length of a narrow area (origin). The surface seismic wave put pressure on the column resulting in torsional oscillation (fatigue). This simultaneous pressure resulted in the fracture beginning at the base of the column and continuing upwards in a zigzag course (as it appears in the photograph the course of the fracture is not linear) along the length of the area made embrittled by the electrical discharge. If the above indeed occurred, in my opinion this simultaneous combined pressure of the column remains inexplicable. Therefore, one could speak only of a miracle.

Dear Mr. Skarlakidis I would like to offer my congratulations on your work and I wholeheartedly wish you great success.
Regards,


George Α. Papadopoulos
Professor of Mechanics,
Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory
National and Kapodistrian University of Athens

great thread, thanks anons

+

Every time I start reading up on Christianity, I run into quotes like Matthew 5:43:

>Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Is it ok to disagree with this cuckoldry? Am I misinterpreting Jesus' words? Or am I just a hateful unchristian bigot?

>>132176088


imo, you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but "the truth sets you free".

if you find out theyre up to no good you can kill them

>>132176088
the quote doesn't stop there you know, why did you stop there?

bumping great thread

is there confession in orthodoxy?

can anyone participate in the holy communion? even while in a sinful state?

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Reminder that power can magically bend morals.

>>132177658
Reminder that Orthodoxy has lost the 4 marks of the Church by failing to teach the faith.
http://www.orthodoxevangelical.com/2014/02/04/eastern-orthodoxy-and-contraception/

can a protestant convert to orthodoxy? i found god recently and i'm worried and uneducated atm, but im learning and researching all the time

>>132145984
So where can I read the Orthodox bible online? In french or english.

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>>132178057

Start small by going to an Orthodox vespers service,introduce yourself to the priest if he has time, and tell him about your intentions. He might give you some reads on the faith by church fathers like St. Basil the Great. After going to Sunday liturgies and feeling your way through, you can ask him to baptize you into the faith, if you feel ready at that point.

>>132172780
I'm not sure who gave you the impression, but /pol/ is not exactly a court-room. ''proofs and sauce'' are usually a courtesy and rarely a necessity. How do you talk in your real life, do you show links and pics on your phone for every single thing that comes out your mouth?

I mean, damn son, you have some trust issues don't you.

>>132178057
yes and you will be baptised and will be great :)
>>132177894
it's just a view , to not be a very big sinner for using contraception ie use a condom, and be forgiven if it made sense, abortion is still forbidden by Orthodoxy
>>132178228
new testament in english, oldf testament in progress : lookup 'Eastern / Greek Orthodox Bible' this in wikip. , in the end there is a dl link

>>132151634
The devil makes us think a sin is nothing before we commit it. Then he makes us think it is unforgivable after. You can still become an orthodox Christian. Renounce atheism.

>>132158455
Wait, seriously?

>>132177585
Yes but absolutely none of them ever attend. Worse than Catholics in this regard by a long shot.

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>TFW Orthodox
>TFW repeat the same rites Romans
>The connected trough millennia with the greatest Civilization on Earth

>Proddies and cathocucks will never know dis feel

>>132180622
Fake

>>132180623
will you stop ? the confession is done by a special Confessor and you can hide as well, if you need you go, most confess to monks if theres a monastery as they make confession easy .

>>132180705
no, only first rites are same , none of that roman next-gen stuff is in , the experience is totally difference as it's focused on faith , not obeying the church or your pastor , indeed they will never know , threir ideas of Christian are totally mad , to be either cruelly calculating or a illegitimate hypocrite

>>132158584
This is my stumbling block orthobro. Can you explain this for an earnest Catholic?

>>132145984
Are there any post-schism Orthodox saints who have had the miracle of resurrecting the dead attributed to them, like Vincent Ferrer and Francis Xavier in the Roman Catholic Church?

>>132148360
>2
what does this mean?
>3
so God does dwell in the presence of sin? Wouldn't this make sin part of Him?
>5
then what motivation is there for giving a loan at all?
>6
what's that?
>7
pls explain these terms and their differences
>8
that is a lot of fasting. how does one work out or live a normal life with that kind of fasting?

>>132181204
You can divorce your wife only if she's cucked you , died or dissapeared., Not by whims

So if this all happened three times you can try every time

But forth time you're out of luck and have to stay incel forever

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>>132180623
Not true. You can only once receive communion in a period of fourty days, after 3 days of fasting (eating vegan) and confessing your sins.

>>132181238
Only the Lord Jesus Christ resurrects, these two never resurrected anyone , plus ferrer was a jesuit .

There are many miracles , so far gone and testimonied that I won't talk much about them like the gift of sight but also more advanced .

>>132181542
8> doable , the post important is 2wice a week abstain meat dairy fish , quite refreshing too .

we did great guys , going back to bed , continue 2moro maybe new thread :)

>>132179812
Jesus christ how hard it is to quote something from somewhere, and then provide the source?

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>>132185296
see:
>>132155689
a reply completed wasted on huehuehuehue brbr scum

>>132145984
Just here to remind everyone that Catholicism has much more legitimacy and historical backing. here's some interesting quotes from Eastern father's.

St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Patriarch (363)

Our Lord Jesus Christ then became a man, but by the many He was not known. But wishing to teach that which was not known, having assembled the disciples, He asked, 'Whom do men say that the Son of man is?' ...And all being silent (for it was beyond man to learn) Peter, the Foremost of the Apostles, the Chief Herald of the Church, not using the language of his own finding, nor persuaded by human reasoning, but having his mind enlightened by the Father, says to Him, 'Thou art the Christ,' not simply that, but 'the Son of the living God.' (Cyril, Catech. xi. n. 3)

For Peter was there, who carrieth the keys of heaven. (Cyril, Catechetical Lectures A.D. 350).

Peter, the chief and foremost leader of the Apostles, before a little maid thrice denied the Lord, but moved to penitence, he wept bitterly. (Cyril, Catech ii. n. 15)

In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, also the foremost of the Apostles and the key-bearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, healed Aeneas the paralytic in the name of Christ. (Cyril, Catech. xviii. n. 27)

>>132185745
St. Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem (c. 638)

Teaching us all orthodoxy and destroying all heresy and driving it away from the God-protected halls of our holy Catholic Church. And together with these inspired syllables and characters, I accept all his (the pope's) letters and teachings as proceeding from the mouth of Peter the Coryphaeus, and I kiss them and salute them and embrace them with all my soul ... I recognize the latter as definitions of Peter and the former as those of Mark, and besides, all the heaven-taught teachings of all the chosen mystagogues of our Catholic Church. (Sophronius, Mansi, xi. 461)

Transverse quickly all the world from one end to the other until you come to the Apostolic See (Rome), where are the foundations of the orthodox doctrine. Make clearly known to the most holy personages of that throne the questions agitated among us. Cease not to pray and to beg them until their apostolic and Divine wisdom shall have pronounced the victorious judgement and destroyed from the foundation ...the new heresy. (Sophronius, [quoted by Bishop Stephen of Dora to Pope Martin I at the Lateran Council], Mansi, 893)

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>>132185828
Stephen, Bishop of Dora in Palestine (645)

And for this cause, sometimes we ask for water to our head and to our eyes a fountain of tears, sometimes the wings of a dove, according to holy David, that we might fly away and announce these things to the Chair (the Chair of Peter at Rome) which rules and presides over all, I mean to yours, the head and highest, for the healing of the whole wound. For this it has been accustomed to do from old and from the beginning with power by its canonical or apostolic authority, because the truly great Peter, head of the Apostles, was clearly thought worthy not only to be trusted with the keys of heaven, alone apart from the rest, to open it worthily to believers, or to close it justly to those who disbelieve the Gospel of grace, but because he was also commissioned to feed the sheep of the whole Catholic Church; for 'Peter,' saith He, 'lovest thou Me? Feed My sheep.' And again, because he had in a manner peculiar and special, a faith in the Lord stronger than all and unchangeable, to be converted and to confirm his fellows and spiritual brethren when tossed about, as having been adorned by God Himself incarnate for us with power and sacerdotal authority .....And Sophronius of blessed memory, who was Patriarch of the holy city of Christ our God, and under whom I was bishop, conferring not with flesh and blood, but caring only for the things of Christ with respect to your Holiness, hastened to send my nothingness without delay about this matter alone to this Apostolic see, where are the foundations of holy doctrine.

>>132185960
St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople (c. 387)

Peter himself the Head or Crown of the Apostles, the First in the Church, the Friend of Christ, who received a revelation, not from man, but from the Father, as the Lord bears witness to him, saying, 'Blessed art thou, This very Peter and when I name Peter I name that unbroken Rock, that firm Foundation, the Great Apostle, First of the disciples, the First called, and the First who obeyed he was guilty ...even denying the Lord." (Chrysostom, T. ii. Hom)

Peter, the Leader of the choir of Apostles, the Mouth of the disciples, the Pillar of the Church, the Buttress of the faith, the Foundation of the confession, the Fisherman of the universe. (Chrysostom, T. iii Hom).

Peter, that Leader of the choir, that Mouth of the rest of the Apostles, that Head of the brotherhood, that one set over the entire universe, that Foundation of the Church. (Chrys. In illud hoc Scitote)

(Peter), the foundation of the Church, the Coryphaeus of the choir of the Apostles, the vehement lover of Christ ...he who ran throughout the whole world, who fished the whole world; this holy Coryphaeus of the blessed choir; the ardent disciple, who was entrusted with the keys of heaven, who received the spiritual revelation. Peter, the mouth of all Apostles, the head of that company, the ruler of the whole world. (De Eleemos, iii. 4; Hom. de decem mille tal. 3)

>>132186077
more from John Chrysostom:

In those days Peter rose up in the midst of the disciples (Acts 15), both as being ardent, and as intrusted by Christ with the flock ...he first acts with authority in the matter, as having all put into his hands ; for to him Christ said, 'And thou, being converted, confirm thy brethren. (Chrysostom, Hom. iii Act Apost. tom. ix.)

He passed over his fall, and appointed him first of the Apostles; wherefore He said: ' 'Simon, Simon,' etc. (in Ps. cxxix. 2). God allowed him to fall, because He meant to make him ruler over the whole world, that, remembering his own fall, he might forgive those who should slip in the future. And that what I have said is no guess, listen to Christ Himself saying: 'Simon, Simon, etc.' (Chrys, Hom. quod frequenter conveniendum sit 5, cf. Hom 73 in Joan 5).

And why, then, passing by the others, does He converse with Peter on these things? (John 21:15). He was the chosen one of the Apostles, and the mouth of the disciples, and the leader of the choir. On this account, Paul also went up on a time to see him rather than the others (Galatians 1:18). And withal, to show him that he must thenceforward have confidence, as the denial was done away with, He puts into his hands the presidency over the brethren. And He brings not forward the denial, nor reproches him with what had past, but says, 'If you love me, preside over the brethren ...and the third time He gives him the same injunction, showing what a price He sets the presidency over His own sheep. And if one should say, 'How then did James receive the throne of Jerusalem?,' this I would answer that He appointed this man (Peter) teacher, not of that throne, but of the whole world. (Chrysostom, In Joan. Hom. 1xxxviii. n. 1, tom. viii)

>>132186133
St. Proclus, Patriarch of Constantinople (434):
A disciple of St. John Chrysostom

Peter, the coryphaeus of the disciples, and the one set over (or chief of) the Apostles. Art not thou he that didst say, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God'? Thou Bar-Jonas (son of the dove) hast thou seen so many miracles, and art thou still but Simon (a hearer)? He appointed thee the key-bearer of Heaven, and has though not yet layed aside thy fisherman's clothing? (Proclus, Or. viii In Dom. Transfig. t. ix. Galland)
John Cassian, Monk (c. 430)

That great man, the disciple of disciples, that master among masters, who wielding the government of the Roman Church possessed the principle authority in faith and in priesthood. Tell us, therefore, we beg of you, Peter, prince of Apostles, tell us how the Churches must believe in God (Cassian, Contra Nestorium, III, 12, CSEL, vol. 17, p. 276).
St. Nilus of Constantinople (448)
A disciple of St. John Chrysostom

Peter, Head of the choir of Apostles. (Nilus, Lib. ii Epistl.)

Peter, who was foremost in the choir of Apostles and always ruled amongst them. (Nilus, Tract. ad. Magnam.)

>>132182699

Serious question... Do people ever go to orthodox services and lurk in the back? Honestly this is what I did before returning to the Catholic church.
For the record I am really on the fence these days about Catholicism... I love the rich history and tradition inasmuch as I've delved into it, and I'm proud of our steadfast opposition to divorce, abortion, and contraception. But I can't wrap my head around what I see now to be a major drift in the direction of loosening the rules because sinners think they're too hard.
It sickens me that I'm hanging on the verge of being told my sacrifices were unnecessary. Particularly because so many people I grew up with lived this anything-goes spirituality and yes it certainly fucked their lives up good and right. I can "know it by its fruits," as they say. I know it's bullshit.
But how can I reconcile this? I don't understand the filioque. I fear separating myself from God if I'm wrong. I don't want to be some kind of undisciplined church shopper, who drifts around looking for whatever flatters his needs. How can you know the answers to these questions?

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>>132186168
Macedonius, Patriarch of Constantinople (466-516)

Macedonius declared, when desired by the Emperor Anastasius to condemn the Council of Chalcedon, that 'such a step without an Ecumenical Synod presided over by the Pope of Rome is impossible.' (Macedonius, Patr. Graec. 108: 360a (Theophan. Chronogr. pp. 234-346 seq.)
Emperor Justinian (520-533)

Writing to the Pope:
Yielding honor to the Apostolic See and to Your Holiness, and honoring your Holiness, as one ought to honor a father, we have hastened to subject all the priests of the whole Eastern district, and to unite them to the See of your Holiness, for we do not allow of any point, however manifest and indisputable it be, which relates to the state of the Churches, not being brought to the cognizance of your Holiness, since you are the Head of all the holy Churches. (Justinian Epist. ad. Pap. Joan. ii. Cod. Justin. lib. I. tit. 1).

Let your Apostleship show that you have worthily succeeded to the Apostle Peter, since the Lord will work through you, as Surpreme Pastor, the salvation of all. (Coll. Avell. Ep. 196, July 9th, 520, Justinian to Pope Hormisdas).

>>132186184
orthodox accept divorce and contraception. if you are distraught by casual Catholics you will find just as many casual orthodox especially in the Greek church, many go because it's an ethnic and nationalistic obligation and for no other reason. just worry about your own spirituality.

--orthodox who converted to Catholicism

>>132180622

I had rosary beads and all,
I would do the glorious mysteries.
Hitler icon found on /pol/,
alas, part of memetic histories.

>>132186314
St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650)
A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople

The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High. (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter and Paul), and being numbered in their company, she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the popes) are of the truly firm and immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome. (Maximus, in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

>>132186184
Stay strong. Just because the leaders deviate does not mean you have to. Stick with a traditional priest and stay true to your faith

>>132186673
more from St. Maximus

If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that everyone who anathematizes those who have rejected Pyrrhus also anathematizes the See of Rome, that is, he anathematizes the Catholic Church. I need hardly add that he excommunicates himself also, if indeed he is in communion with the Roman See and the Catholic Church of God ...Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. For he only speaks in vain who thinks he ought to pursuade or entrap persons like myself, and does not satisfy and implore the blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See, which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself, and also all the holy synods, accodring to the holy canons and definitions has received universal and surpreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world. (Maximus, Letter to Peter, in Mansi x, 692).

>>132186727
John VI, Patriarch of Constantinople (715)

The Pope of Rome, the head of the Christian priesthood, whom in Peter, the Lord commanded to confirm his brethren. (John VI, Epist. ad Constantin. Pap. ad. Combefis, Auctuar. Bibl. P.P. Graec.tom. ii. p. 211, seq.)
St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople (758-828)

Without whom (the Romans presiding in the seventh Council) a doctrine brought forward in the Church could not, even though confirmed by canonical decrees and by ecclesiastical usuage, ever obtain full approval or currency. For it is they (the Popes of Rome) who have had assigned to them the rule in sacred things, and who have received into their hands the dignity of headship among the Apostles. (Nicephorus, Niceph. Cpl. pro. s. imag. c 25 [Mai N. Bibl. pp. ii. 30]).

>>132186781
Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826)

Writing to Pope Leo III:
Since to great Peter Christ our Lord gave the office of Chief Shepherd after entrusting him with the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. [Therefore], save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven. (Theodore, Bk. I. Ep. 23)

Writing to Pope Paschal:
Hear, O Apostolic Head, divinely-appointed Shepherd of Christ's sheep, keybearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, Rock of the Faith upon whom the Catholic Church is built. For Peter art thou, who adornest and governest the Chair of Peter. Hither, then, from the West, imitator of Christ, arise and repel not for ever (Ps. xliii. 23). To thee spake Christ our Lord: 'And thou being one day converted, shalt strengthen thy brethren.' Behold the hour and the place. Help us, thou that art set by God for this. Stretch forth thy hand so far as thou canst. Thou hast strength with God, through being the first of all. (Letter of St. Theodore and four other Abbots to Pope Paschal, Bk. ii Ep. 12, Patr. Graec. 99, 1152-3)

Writing to Emperor Michael:
Order that the declaration from old Rome be received, as was the custom by Tradition of our Fathers from of old and from the beginning. For this, O Emperor, is the highests of the Churches of God, in which first Peter held the Chair, to whom the Lord said: Thou art Peter ...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Theodore, Bk. II. Ep. 86)

>>132186874
More from Theodore the Studite

I witness now before God and men, they have torn themselves away from the Body of Christ, from the Surpreme See (Rome), in which Christ placed the keys of the Faith, against which the gates of hell (I mean the mouth of heretics) have not prevailed, and never will until the Consummation, according to the promise of Him Who cannot lie. Let the blessed and Apostolic Paschal (Pope St. Paschal I) rejoice therefore, for he has fulfilled the work of Peter. (Theodore Bk. II. Ep. 63).

In truth we have seen that a manifest successor of the prince of the Apostles presides over the Roman Church. We truly believe that Christ has not deserted the Church here (Constantinople), for assistance from you has been our one and only aid from of old and from the beginning by the providence of God in the critical times. You are, indeed the untroubled and pure fount of orthodoxy from the beginning, you the calm harbor of the whole Church, far removed from the waves of heresy, you the God-chosen city of refuge. (Letter of St. Theodor and Four Abbots to Pope Paschal).

Let him (Patriarch Nicephorus of Constantinople) assemble a synod of those with whom he has been at variance, if it is impossible that representatives of the other Patriarchs should be present, a thing which might certainly be if the Emperor should wish the Western Patriarch (the Roman Pope) to be present, to whom is given authority over an ecumenical synod; but let him make peace and union by sending his synodical letters to the prelate of the First See. (Theodore the Studite, Patr. Graec. 99, 1420)

>>132186958
St. Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (306-311)
Head of the catechetical school in Alexandria, he became bishop around A.D. 300, reigning for about eleven years, and dying a martyr's death.

Peter, set above the Apostles. (Peter of Alexandria, Canon. ix, Galland, iv. p. 98)
St. Anthony of Egypt (330)

Peter, the Prince of the Apostles (Anthony, Epist. xvii. Galland, iv p. 687)
St. Athanasius (362)

Rome is called the Apostolic throne. (Athanasius, Hist. Arian, ad Monach. n. 35)

The Chief, Peter. (Athan, In Ps. xv. 8, tom. iii. p. 106, Migne)
St. Macarius of Egypt (371)

The Chief, Peter. (Macarius, De Patientia, n. 3, p. 180)

Moses was succeeded by Peter, who had committed to his hands the new Church of Christ, and the true priesthood. (Macarius, Hom. xxvi. n. 23, p. 101)

Catholic here. So how would one go about switching to orthodox? I'm asking because the Catholic church has become so cucked and full of pedophiles.

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>>132145984
> not embracing gnosis

When God speaks to man, it would be harmful to his spirit to think of his human self and identity.

Just as it would be harmful to the emotions and souls of loved ones to abandon them in the eye of activity and phenomena. Claiming full domination of the same shared existence. As a God in his own right, this is of sinful account.

But to cherish absolutely the hum of God's word and the silent moment of true mediation is of divine nature. When his mind is of no sound of mundane human strife, it is a gift of the lord's grace....

Something which to many man pray vainly for though soldem given.

Amongst the astral planes of the mind lay demon plenty, thus meditation without the intention of the fathers love is dangerous indeed. It is typical of buddisht practice to encounter such vile evil sires. Entering into this aspect of being leaves thine soul ripe for satan's harvest so be weary and breath with the fathers will soley.

>>132187032
St. Cyril of Alexandria (c. 424)

He suffers him no longer to be called Simon, exercising authority and rule over him already having become His own. By a title suitable to the thing, He changed his name into Peter, from the word 'petra' (rock); for on him He was afterwards to found His Church. (Cyril, T. iv. Comm. in Joan., p. 131)

He (Christ) promises to found the Church, assigning immovableness to it, as He is the Lord of strength, and over this He sets Peter as shepherd. (Cyril, Comm. on Matt., ad loc.)

Therefore, when the Lord had hinted at the disciple's denial in the words that He used, 'I have prayed for thee that thy faith not fail,' He at once introduced a word of consolation, and said (to Peter): 'And do thou, when once thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.' That is, 'Be thou a support and a teacher of those who through faith come to me.' Again, marvel also at the insight of that saying and at the completeness of the Divine gentleness of spirit. For so that He should not reduce the disciple to despair at the thought that after his denial he would have to be debarred from the glorious distinction of being an Apostle, He fills him with good hope, that he will attain the good things promised. ...O loving kindness! The sin was not yet committed, and He already extends His pardon and sets him (Peter) again in his Apostolic office. (Cyril Comm. on Luke's Gospel)

>>132187141
more from St. Cyril:

For the wonderous Peter, overcome by uncontrollable fear, denied the Lord three times. Christ heals the error done, and demands in various ways the threefold confession ... For although all the holy disciples fled, ...still Peter's fault in the threefold denial was in addition, special and peculiar to himself. Therefore, by the threefold confession of blessed Peter, the fault of the triple denial was done away. Further, by the Lord's saying, Feed my lambs, we must understand a renewal as it were of the Apostleship already given to him, washing away the intervening disgrace of his fall, and the littleness of human infirmity. (Cyril, Comm. on John's Gospel).

They (the Apostles) strove to learn through one, that preeminent one, Peter. (Cyril, Ib. 1. ix. p. 736).

And even blessed Peter, though set over the holy disciples, says 'Lord, be it far from Thee, this shall be done to Thee. (Cyril, Ibid. 924).

If Peter himself, that prince of the holy disciples, was, upon an occassion, scandalized, so as suddenly to exclaim, 'Lord, be it far from Thee,' what wonder that the tender mind of woman should be carried away? (Cyril, Ibid, p. 1064)

That the Spirit is God we shall also learn hence. That the prince of the Apostles, to whom 'flesh and blood,' as the Savior says, 'did not reveal' the Divine mystery, says to Ananias, 'Why hath Satan tempted thy heart, (Cyril, T. v. Par. 1. Thesaur. p. 340)

Besides all these, let there come forward that leader of the holy disciples, Peter, who, when the Lord, on a certain occassion, asked him, 'Whom do men say that the Son of man is?' instantly cried out, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' (Cyril, T. v. P.2, Hom. viii. De Fest. Pasch. p. 105)

'If I wash thee not, thou shalt have no part with me.' When the Coryphaeus (Peter) had heard these words, he began to change. (Cyril, Ib. Hom.)

>>132187259
Eulogius of Alexandria (581)
Born in Syria, he became the abbot of the Mother of God monastery at Antioch. In 579, he was made Patriarch of Alexandria; and became an associate of St. Gregory the Great while visiting Constantinople. Much of their subsequent correspondence is still extant.

Neither to John, nor to any other of the disciples, did our Savior say, 'I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven,' but only to Peter. (Eulogius, Lib. ii. Cont. Novatian. ap. Photium, Biblioth, cod. 280)

>>132186563
This isn't the first time I've heard that, you know. What are your thoughts on the state of Catholicism, RCIA anon? Do you worry that the past week's statements from the Vatican about the sanctity of life, and, for that matter, the contradictions implicit between humanae vitae and amoris laeticia point to a bigger problem beneath the surface? I know we've had a long history of scoundrels in the papacy over the church's history, granted. But since papal infallibility was declared, none have taken such a lackadaisical approach to actual doctrine. What can this mean? It troubles me, and i don't know how to respond.

>>132187326
Theodoret, Bishop of Cyrus in Syria (450)
A native of Antioch, Theodoret ruled under the Antiochean Patriarch.

The great foundation of the Church was shaken, and confirmed by the Divine grace. And the Lord commanded him to apply that same care to the brethren. 'And thou,' He says, 'converted, confirm thy brethren.' (Theodoret, Tom. iv. Haeret. Fab. lib. v.c. 28)

'For as I,' He says, 'did not despise thee when tossed, so be thou a support to thy brethren in trouble, and the help by which thou was saved do thou thyself impart to others, and exhort them not while they are tottering, but raise them up in their peril. For this reason I suffer thee also to slip, but do not permit thee to fall, thus through thee gaining steadfastness for those who are tossed.' So this great pillar supported the tossing and sinking world, and permitted it not to fall entirely and gave it back stability, having been ordered to feed God's sheep. (Theodoret, Oratio de Caritate in J. P. Minge, ed., Partrologiae Curses Completus: Series Graeca).

I therefore beseech your holiness to persuade the most holy and blessed bishop (Pope Leo) to use his Apostolic power, and to order me to hasten to your Council. For that most holy throne (Rome) has the sovereignty over the churches throughout the universe on many grounds. (Theodoret, Tom. iv. Epist. cxvi. Renato, p. 1197).

If Paul, the herald of the truth, the trumpet of the Holy Spirit, hastened to the great Peter, to convey from him the solution to those in Antioch, who were at issue about living under the law, how much more do we, poor and humble, run to the Apostolic Throne (Rome) to receive from you (Pope Leo) healing for wounds of the the Churches. For it pertains to you to have primacy in all things; for your throne is adorned with many prerogatives. (Theodoret Ibid, Epistle Leoni)

>>132187338
the Pope really can't do shit. his teaching authority only applies to DEFINING matters of faith and morals he can't just make shit up it, doesn't work like that, he can only make long held traditions (such as the assumption) dogma. he can't change doctrine and it's never happened in the history of the church, he can try and loosen overwatch so individual heretical bishops can get away with heresy but that's about it. he is 85 years old he doesn't have much longer we will be just fine. his writing are literally just opinions that bishops are using as an excuse for heresy.

>>132187381
St. Epiphanius, Archbishop of Salamis (385)

Holy men are therefore called the temple of God, because the Holy Spirit dwells in them; as that Chief of the Apostles testifies, he that was found to be blessed by the Lord, because the Father had revealed unto him. To him then did the Father reveal His true Son; and the same (Peter) furthermore reveals the Holy Spirit. This was befitting in the First of the Apostles, that firm Rock upon which the Church of God is built, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The gates of hell are heretics and heresiarchs. For in every way was the faith confirmed in him who received the keys of heaven; who looses on earth and binds in heaven. For in him are found all subtle questions of faith. He was aided by the Father so as to be (or lay) the Foundation of the security (firmness) of the faith. He (Peter) heard from the same God, 'feed my lambs'; to him He entrusted the flock; he leads the way admirably in the power of his own Master. (Epiphanius, T. ii. in Anchor).
Sergius, Metropolitain of Cyprus (649)

Writing to Pope Theodore:
O Holy Head, Christ our God hath destined thy Apostolic See to be an immovable foundation and a pillar of the Faith. For thou art, as the Divine Word truly saith, Peter, and on thee as a foundation-stone have the pillars of the Church been fixed. (Sergius Ep. ad Theod. lecta in Sess. ii. Concil. Lat. anno 649)

>>132160229
I think the russbro means culturally conquered to the point where they lost their language and culture. Greeks we're not conquered in this sense and retain their identity and heritage. Syria Christians are virtually gone, on the other hand.

>>132187338
also have you been reading these quotes from Eastern saints from before the schism? don't become schismatic over one pope and some degenerates around you, find a nice parish and just hunker down. there has always been upheaval after ecumenical councils throughout history, the church will right itself in time.

>>132185742
I saw that, dummy, I wasn't replying to him.

Recently found out my Dad was Coptic Alexandria back in Egypt before fleeing in the 50's.

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just advertisement, and not pertinent, boy you guys a wiccked , have a little industry going on, haven't you ?

what faggotry is this , no
You will not fool them . You're a sham outfit and everybody knows it . Your pope is a scumbag charlatan and PR clown .
>You're an outright faggot for shitting the thread

>>132186184
yes they lurk moar and go to meet the priest , he will be cool in general

You see what catholicism has done to you ? it has confused your mind, God understands , but much better ask the priest , faith is something you learn to do/have.
>>132186563
he doesnt go for the congregation you asswipe, he goes for his soul,
>lets dissuade him from leaving !!11!!

>>132186700
I say give him a chance to save himself

>>132187338
Don't listen to brainwash , this is crazy what I'm seeing , look at this faggot 30 quote flood all to impress no substance , just looking for sheep . The pope is PR figure.


>these little lines are worth 30 times the showbiz tl;dr , what a fucking bunch of evil cunts .

go back to where i said theyre cruelly calculating , to impress , 100% true FFS
my little lines are worth infinitely more cause they're not a mafia

>>132145984
>implying your denomination is "orthodox" for more than slavs and greeks

>>132188799
>literally not an argument

>>132145984
Thinking about converting to Orthodoxy from Traditional Catholicism.

>>132188881
yes its for everybody , and quite a few Americans have joined and will keep growing. And it;s not a denomination you dweeb It's the Orthodox church .
>>132189091
help yourself

>>132189049
after seeing this , well it's pointless to argue with charlatans, better out the door as-is

>>132189253
I don't know how.

>>132189502
find an Orthodox Church near you, enter to see if you like , lurk some , and you ask the priest directly

>>132189253
>even less of an argument

>>132145984
>no Georgian hymns

Why are there no English ones? Because burgers are cultureless trash with no identity so they LARP as whatever shit seems cool. And whatever culture they do have is pathetic and embarrassing , like your batshit insane Anglican speaking-in-tongues, polygamist, dyke-pastor having religion.

Stop stealing the traditions of others.

Only slav diaspora has the right to post any further ITT.

>>132189667
Thank you.

>>132189687
Trying to influence others with superficial talk, no
> they must experience Orthodoxy and see what it is for themselves and not listen to you

>>132189879
so you're saying that quotes from saints and church father's is superficial talk and people should convert solely based on feelings?

>>132190127
exactly , they're all out of context . If we go through them one by one it will show how you've misused them , 30 quotes wtf are they paying you ? Theyre all pre schism you stupid charlatan , they're no longer valid after you corrupt the Church to fuck, that's the catholic way, to fool people by impression making efforts

> you're trash and so is your cathol shekel shack

>>132190479
so you're telling me every single one of these is out of context? I'd like to see them mental gymnastics you would do to interpret your way around many of these. they're pre-schism as in the show that Rome had a special place above other bishops in the pre-schism church, especially in the first 400 years of Christianity.

>>132190904
yeah, you have 20 full paragraph quotes given to anon right after saying

>Just here to remind everyone that Catholicism has much more legitimacy and historical backing. here's some interesting quotes from Eastern father's.

what you forget to tell them is this : St. Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem (c. 638)

Teaching us all orthodoxy and destroying all heresy and driving it away from the God-protected halls of our holy Catholic Church.

a quote from fucking 638 ad, there was no orthodox church then there was 1 church , how did he teach that you fucking mong ?

you're an outright lying faggot , get the hell out of here

>>132191395
I'm not sure how your quote is disproving anything I've said. why is it you guys can never have an argument without name calling and autistic screeching? you're more shitter shattered than the Protestants.

>>132191814
get the hell outta here you fucking charlatan , you had your explanation , you want to talk semantics and hope to confuse thre gullible

St sophronius teaching about a Church that doesnt exist , or rather you know ofcourse that the 'orthodox; church was at the time THE SAME WITH THE CATHOLIC, not after rome fucked up and was recognized by noone , the pope was excommunicated and he fucked his church and killed it , without ever fixing it , end of story

go go chalatan just leave

>>132192402
ad nauseam 20 times , you're an imposter ironically just like you commupope pedophile protector scumbag

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>>132145984
Thinking about becoming orthodox. I'm a burger who was raised baptist but left religion altogether in college. What do I have to do to convert? Can I be a nazi too?

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>>132192816
lurk moar brother its in the thread
can i entice you with a bazooka priest ?

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>>132192402
there you go name calling and making baseless accusations without backing anything up again.

>>132192948
now you're promoting your church by posting pictures of your priests engaging in violence? is the irony lost on you?

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Does anyone know what the 2 banners in the center/left are specifically? Can't really find anything.

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>>132192971
when i tell you whats wrong you call that a 'baseless accusation' what's that gaslighting there you did ? you are dishonest, you understand ? you mind is wrotten you're fuct .

>>132193058
this is our church, you came to promote here not me your inane shit, not me . That's what real church looks like not your effeminate pseudointellectual pedophile ring
>>132193160
theyre church standards , nothing special

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>>132193560
I can barely even understand what you're saying, you must be hiding some sort of strange flag behind the one you're using. you have to tell me why something is wrong or else it's a baseless accusation, you don't speak English well do you?

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>>132192816
Orthodoxy is #1

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what is the orthodox churches stance on the gnostic gospels like Thomas, Mary Magdalen, and Judas?

what is their stance on mysticism?

>>132193058
matthew 10
>34Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Exodus 15:3
3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

man, its like catholics can't even read their bible or something

>>132193815
its not convenient for you to 'understand' what I said isn't it , you are beyond redemption, i'll tell you again for 3rd time , get the hell out pandering your corrupt institution , you brought 20 quotes that are out of date ... whatever they say about the 'Catholic" church is also meant for the orthodox . Did you not know they were the same church until 1054 ??
until rome altered doctrine alone and was
>ex co mu ni c a t ed
whatever was said for us still stands in that quote , but not for you because you've become a different beast , a circus (from filioque to the purgatory to vatican 2 - all arbitrary)

you annoy me , either pretend to be stupid or a shill, you sinned , but with a few catholics shekels ..... your as good as a newborn !!

>>132193906
I dont remember but faith is mysticism in itself

>>132194725
how the fuck are the church fathers and saints out of date??????

>>132194335
yeah , its all smoke and mirrors

>>132185296
it's called synthesis and paraphrasing you dumb nigger

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>>132194899
are you fucking retarded, you have a poster ID, everyone can see you are replying to yourself. do you not have any shame you shameless liar?

>>132194833
youre no longer the same church , which part of all other churches rejecting rome in 1054 and since then on.. did you miss ? catho

you made it up as you went along , your not the same church , wtf can someone explain him he seems thick
>>132195077
theyre meant for you obv you stupid mongrel , i misclicked them ...... if you're that fcking stupid , then you shouldnt try to reason at all

posts Orthodox hymns in Spanish, French and Swahili

ignores the oldest continuously Eastern Orthodox country

>>132195077
lurk moar , t fuck
>im going back to bet , someone remind those fuckers theyre circle clowns if they insist

>>132195324
I've provide numerous quotes from saints and early church father's as evidence to the Bishop of Rome holding authority over the early church. please provide arguments other than HURR ORTHODOX FIRST CHURCH CHECKMATE CATHOLICS.

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>>132195854
>can't even read and understand the bible
>doesn't even have the intellectual and spiritual honesty to answer for >>132194335
in his attempted character assassination of >>132193058

here's the thing

Orthodoxy, as propagated in /pol/ is nothing more than a Putinbots' soft power propaganda tool.
Most folks here have no idea about Orthodox theology, mysticism, have never read Gregory Palamas, Basil the Great, John Chrysostom and other key theologians who have shaped the Orthodox thought.
They are for political, not personal Orthodoxy, which is mostly bullshit (just like political Catholicism, Islam etc.)
so, dear orthodox and wannabe orthodox virgins, if you really believe in god, keep it to yourself. if you don't, you're a hypocrite and trust me, god hates hypocrites even more than he hates atheists

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>>132145984
Patch guy working on an orthodox deus vult type patch
pic related are some color variations I have going.

>>132196075
Psalm 11:5

The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Proverbs 3:31

Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways

1 Timothy 3:3

Not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

Matthew 26:52-54

Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

I haven't responded to you because your argument was so ridiculous it didn't deserve a reply.

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>>132196472
example of how it'll come out

>>132182699
>Only the Lord Jesus Christ resurrects, these two never resurrected anyone
Don't twist my words, you know what I meant.
>plus ferrer was a jesuit .
Yeah, so was Francis Xavier. What's your point?

>>132196499
>doesn't understand that God is still a Warrior

>Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Revelation 2
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

>I haven't responded to you because your argument was so ridiculous it didn't deserve a reply.
>calling the Word of God ridiculous when God personally claims he is a man of war in Exodus

Psalm 45
45 My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty

Psalm 149
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;


the bible is a complete message, you either take all of it, or you take none of it. spiritual, and intellectual dishonesty

>>132145984
How does Eastern Orthodoxy determine which councils are dogmatic and binding from heretical ones. Since all the bishops are equal, how would, for example, logically reject heretical Ephesus II and accept Constantinople I when both were backed by the same amount of bishops of equal authority.

>>132145984
>The oldest and first Church!
That would be the Catholic church. Founded by Jesus Christ with Saint Peter as the first pope.

>>132197491
if I'm not taking all of it then you aren't either, the church has a just war doctrine for a reason. a priest is acts in the person of Christ so it is extremely inappropriate for a priest to engage in acts violence.

>>132182699
>>132197219
Mark 16
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

is there anyone in the catholic church drinking poison or handling serpents? because quite frankly not even the orthodox do this, and the only place I do see it is in Appalachian snake churches

also according to Matthew 10:8 believers in Christ are suppose to be raising people from the dead, though I haven't heard nor seen any of that kind of stuff.

>8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

>>132197710
they don't, which is why some say there are 7 ecumenical councils and others say 9 or 8 or some say 4.

>>132197837
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

>ignoring the fact Christ himself makes war and engages in violence
>ignoring the fact the Levites also enganged in war and violence, ignoring the Torah in Joshua's campaign

there's a difference between being a warrior, and being violent. if you weren't shallow, you would understand that.

>a priest is acts in the person of Christ
this sounds exactly like an antichrist
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Short Definition: antichrist
Definition: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

Anti in Greek means substitute.
anti: over against, opposite, hence instead of, in comp. denotes contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence
Original Word: ἀντί
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: anti
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee')
Short Definition: instead of, for
Definition: (a) instead of, in return for, over against, opposite, in exchange for, as a substitute for, (b) on my behalf,

>>132198240
what do you think a priest is doing in the liturgy when he speaks in the place of Christ and changes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ? don't try and make this an east west thing because both sides believe a priest acts in the person of Christ when administering the sacraments.

the only violence christ engages in is turning over tables and chasing people with a bundle of sticks, not wielding a rocket launcher.

>>132198519
>he only violence christ engages in is turning over tables and chasing people with a bundle of sticks, not wielding a rocket launcher.

read revelations idiot Christ literally rushes into battle and slaughters all the wicked and unjust on a white horse with the army of heaven.

>what do you think a priest is doing in the liturgy when he speaks in the place of Christ and changes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ?

misrepresenting the meaning of what body and spirit of Christ means

> don't try and make this an east west thing because both sides believe a priest acts in the person of Christ when administering the sacraments.

well, looks like its an antichrist inspired pratice then.

>>132148360
>The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
dropped

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As it is written
On Earth as it is in heaven

>>132145984
can someone pls do a tl;dr of the branches? Thanks in advance.

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>muh mysteries
>muh intellect
>muh deny the flesh

sorry im late. can anon please sauce me on
>The oldest and first Church
and also, why Orthodox instead of Traditional Roman Catholicism?

>>132203454
>>132203493
>>132203584
>this much butthurt

How come Greeks don't typically use the three barred cross? Is that a Slavic thing?

>>132203790
>can't prove it wrong
>roman republic conquers Greece
>every hundred years Greece tries to overthrow Roman rule
>ITS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THIS TIME BECAUSE ITS RELIGIOUS

>>132204079
So what exists today? Rome or Greece?

>>132204766
Roma, white people definitely don't exist in Greece. Modern greeks are just slavs that aren't white

>>132204834
>greeks
>white
They never were.

>>132200103
you're talking about something that hasn't happened yet and equating the judgement of God to human violence, I can't believe that I have to explain to you that priests shouldn't engage in violence.

also how the fuck is it an Antichrist practice that the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Orthodox literally believe the same thing, that the priest is a living icon of Christ, one through which the apostolic ministry is exercised. Just as icons are holy, so too can the grace of God pass through the priest.

I've been wanting to go to an Orthodox church for a while, but honestly I'm intimidated.

This is their church etiquette page:
http://stdemetrios.net/our-parish/church-etiquette

I just don't know, none of this is strange or unreasonable, but I never seen a church actually have a dedicated page for stuff like that.

How different are Orthodox masses from Catholic ones?

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>>132204887
Philip the Great was the Father of Alexander the Great. Alexander had blue eyes and blond hair according to his own private tutor Aristotle the Philospher. Philip was allowed to compete in the Olympic Games for only PURE BLOODED Greeks.

>non whites
Sorry BUTHURT TURK Greeks were actually good at math and BATHED

>>132157589
He is right

>>132205244
Slavs and greeks were and aren't white

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>>132205472
WE WUZ

>>132205012
>I've been wanting to go to an Orthodox church for a while, but honestly I'm intimidated.
Don't be, anon. Any decent church will do their utmost to welcome you. By virtue of the fact that their entire website is in English, I'd hazard that they're probably either straight up convert heavy, or simply not ethnically focused anymore, in which case you're not going to be particularly out of place.

>How different are Orthodox masses from Catholic ones?
Very. It's perfectly fine to not know the cultural minutiae. Stand when everyone is standing (which may be the whole time), sit when everyone is sitting. If it's a smaller church, someone will likely notice you're a little out of place and help you keep up with what you don't understand.