Donald Trump wants your personal information because he want

The same States already give out that information to anyone who asks for it. Voter registration information is public record.

>>132031690
Then why are they fighting it?

>>132031775
virtue signaling

>>132031775
Because common sense dictates they have something to hide. Just think for a second. Potentially 15 million illegal immigrants in the US, and we're supposed to believe that none of them voted?

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>>132031540
>>132031775
To cover this up

>>132031540

Wait, these are the same people talking about how Russia hacked the election?

>>132031920
I know, they commit so many crimes and litter streets.

They are the kind of people that would be active in voting because they care about this country.

>>132031775
Because they know illegals voted in their counties and don't want to support his narrative (which is true).

>>132032154
That doesn't excuse the fact they are illegally casting votes

>>132032154
They would vote because they don't want trump to win and crack down on them you fucking idiot.

>>132032046
It's not just Democrats that are pushing back against giving up the information.

>>132031540
Bootlickers like you deserve to be put up against the wall.

>>132031920
This.

I don't understand how states such as California, probably the highest rate of illegal alien voting, can resist the Presidents request to investigate voter fraud. Especially considering all these fucking Libshits have been talking about for six months is how the election was illegitimate. Virginia is trying to refuse also. I mean do they even have a choice to refuse?

>>132032154
Are you fucking retarded???

>>132032604
Wow, I bet you think this cop was a bad person too huh?

http://thedailybeast.com/handcuffed-man-drowns-cop-pleads-guilty-to-boating-violation

Not a bootlicker, just have common sense. No boots to lick when you're not even worthy enough to step on

>>132032465
Really? Not saying you're wrong but I only heard Virgina and California Governors ,both Dems, were fighting it.

>Russian agents infiltrated and hacked our election.
>But don't look at the voter info.

>>132032465
It's borderline. But desperate times call for desperate actions.when the facts arrive, most republicans will say they were for it all along

>>132032383
Yes, all those votes sure changed the outcome.

Just look where all the illegals are concentrated. California, New York, Texas, Arizona, etc. Even if all the illegals in those states voted for Hillary, would they have made them flip?

But no, the DEMONcrats spent billions making sure all those illegals voted in states that didn't fucking matter, (especially California, which was never in danger of being red) Not in any battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Virginia, where the "illegal" voted would have mattered.

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>>132031775
>Then why are they fighting it?

Trump baited them into making a very public outcry, which raises suspicion that Trump is right about the fraud. He got the reaction he wanted out of them.

He can also zero in on the states that are currently screeching in the loudest........that's where the fraud is likely to be ramapant.

>>132033028
That's not how the electoral college works dumbass. 4 million illegal votes swaying to hillary could give her +/-20 votes. Unfortunately for her campaign though, she didn't focus on middle america, where Trump flipped many independent and dem. communities

>>132031920
Why would a rep governor have to hide voter fraud if it happened in his state?
They would be all over it, if it blames dems

>>132033467
Because since the person in charge is responsible, if a democratic governor allowed voter fraud to occur in their state after saying there was none, is political suicide.

>>132033028
Wouldn't change the election, could possibly change the popular vote. It'd be nice to see lefty faggots like yourself suffer just a little bit more.

>>132033389
4 million votes spread over how many states?

Electoral college is what I'm getting at. There aren't enough illegals to flip a state. California could have all its illegals vote and it wouldn't matter because:

>California was going to be blue regardless

>Popular vote doesn't mean shit.

Illegals are concentrated in mass in just a few states that are predominantely blue, and the ones that aren't are in red states that wouldn't change because there aren't enough illegals. Please tell me why there would be a drive to have illegals vote when it wouldn't make a difference if they voted where they were.

>>132033630
>If a democratic governor
Talking about those Republican governors here. What about them?

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>>132031930
More sources of information:

Judicial watch:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/voter-fraud-truth/

PILF:
https://publicinterestlegal.org/

Isn't it convenient that Obama claimed the election was unhackable before Dems lost, but afterwards claimed Russia hacked the election? Which is it? If Russia did hack the election, we need to review the voter polls. Why are they against this? Unless...someone hacked the election and maybe, just maybe it wasn't the Russians after all?

But one should not ask too many questions. It can be dangerous. Pic related.

>>132033633
Not true. What I said in >>132033389
For example, let's take california. If the popular vote ended at 2 million to 6 million for hillary. 4 million illegal voters swayed possibly 20+ electoral votes.

>>132033819
>Obama claimed the election was unhackable before Dems lost, but afterwards claimed Russia hacked the election?
I think they use hack with Russia in a way, that Russia leaked hacked material to sway the public, but not in a way that they literally hacked voting booths

>>132033812
It could be potentially an outlier in the Republican party. There are members of both sides that lean towards the other. But even if the person in charge doesn't know, that's still not an excuse for them is it? I mean. They are in charge, after all

>>132031540
I Dont know why people worry about being tracked. The government already has that information available in some database somewhere. States have party affiliation primaries. All it needs is some program to match the individual datasets up and bam.

>>132034036
Depends on the spin-doctors I suppose. If it turns put true, it could also basically kill the Democrats in several states to ever be elected again and have every won election questioned.
Sounds like the possibility of a huge gain on the Rep side

>>132031540
The government already has all of your information. The only thing they are missing is voter registration/party affiliation, since this is normally held at a town / county level.

>>132033979
Our voting process is so spread out, it would be practically impossible for russia to "hack" the election, unless there was a kgb agent at every voting station across the country. People just assume that everything is done over the interwebz

It's ironic how liberals want election integrity and minimized interference, but they only want it to apply to Russians and not illegal aliens.

>>132034252
It most likely will be. Which is unfortunate. My opinion is that the Democrats are holding the extreme republicans at bay just like how republicans are holding extreme liberals at bay. If one goes away, america will be a one party system which is dangerous for a country like ours

>>132032913
States that voted for Trump that have pushed back so far are: Kentucky, Iowa, and Mississippi

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>>132033979
The problem is they never actually say what the Russians were supposed to have done. You just as supposed to take it on faith. "Russian hacked the DNC servers." Really? They why did they not let the FBI or DHS examine the servers? "Russian gave the emails to wikileaks" Really? Absolutely no evidence, and it contradicts statements from Assange, who, as far as I know, had never been caught in a lie. I could go on and on.

But try to investigate real election fraud, and oh no! That can't possibly happen, and even asking the question means you are trying to disenfranchise vulnerable voting populations.

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>>132033801
>There aren't enough illegals to flip a state.

That is only facet of the fraud m8.

The DNC are literally using buses to move people from polling station to polling station and even state to state, voting multiple times IN ALL STATES. THE DNC FUCKING ADMITTED IT ON VIDEO.

They are using the ID of dead people to vote multiple times. Trump must first purge the dead from the voter rolls.

>>132031540
Fuck no, ill never let the goverment know my SSN.

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>>132035845
And even when they do catch someone committing voter fraud, they only get a slap on the wrist. Here is a case where a student filed no less than 18 fraudulent voter registration forms. His punishment? 100 days in jail. How about 3.5 years for each violation? 3.5 x 18 = 63 years.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2017/06/27/untitled-n2347272

>>132031540
trying to understand your (((angle))) here.

>>132036412
This is the arguement the republican states are making. Oddly enough I had a conversation about this thread with my brother and he thinks the exact same thing. He thinks it's allowing the feds to create a database of voters and who they vote for. Its possible. But my arguement back was that since Obama used the IRS to target political enemies, shouldn't it be abolished so further possible tyranny might not occur. He said no. My brother is red, before anyone jumps to conclusions about him.

>>132036412
>government issues a SSN
>I'll never let th government have my SSN

how dumb are you?

>>132033028
It doesn't matter if it changed the outcome this presidential election or not. If they vote they're voting illegally and could sway local or state elections.

Also: PA is a swing state, and voter fraud happens there every election. So get fucked, or defend your republic.

>>132038825
Only the company that makes the SSNs have your number, this is like saying the goverment knows my phones password because att is an american company.

>>132039207
>only the company that makes SSNs
You mean the government?

>>132039353
the government has nothing to do with your SS number outside of the regulations it puts on the isuing of them.

>>132039604
Interdasting

>>132036499
>63 years

geez, aren't your prisons overcrowded enough? just put a bullet through the skull

>>132033028
There's more than just presidential elections. How do you think sanctuary cities come about? Illegals vote in local elections too

>>132039742
more people in prison = more money though

>>132039604
Wait, I don't need to use my SSN to file my FEDERAL tax returns? I don't need a SSN to collect social security?
Sheeereeeeit why did I memorize that number

I really like seeing people who didn't bat an eye over the NSA trying to pretend they have privacy concerns.

>>132039950
>I don't need to use my SSN to file my FEDERAL tax returns? I don't need a SSN to collect social security?
I have no idea, Ive never done that before.

Rhode Island's fraudulent votes more than double the amount that Hillary won the state by.

This fucking election needs to be audited.

>>132040136
Then maybe you should go Google what a social security number is

>>132040136
Fuck off, spic

>>132040222
Its you're Unique Identification Number isnt it?

>>132040258
Im not even in/from the Americas

>>132039742
I'd settle for putting him on the next boat to Lampedusa.

>>132031690
>Voter registration information is public record.
In many states, it's not.

>>132032046
The dems aren't saying that Russia hacked the election. They (and the FBI, for that matter) are saying that Russia tried to hack electronic voting systems in several states.

>>132039987
And it sure is rich seeing all these supposedly small government conservatives and privacy advocates calling for the investigation of every voter in the country and compiling a massive database to track the political views & voting history of 120+ million people.

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>>132031540
>Donald Trump
>our personal information, including SSN?
But Donald Trump is the figure head of the federal Government. The federal government are also in charge of the Social Security Administration which gives us our SSN's. So you're telling me he wants us to give him information that he gave us? And assuming we're legal US citizens, the federal government already has all of our pertinent personal information.

>>132040624
No. What you're pointing to is your drivers license
ID numbers. A SSN is similar, but is more 'in depth' with the government

>>132039742
>just put a bullet through the skull

I'm not opposed to this.

>>132039742
I guess technically you could argue that voter fraud is treason

>>132031540
Nice fake news you fucking cuck.
There is only an effort to verify state voter rolls.
My info is safe already in the hands of the loving intellegence state, which knows all.

>>132033894
I don't know a single white person in CA that voted for HRC. If they didn't vote for Trump, they voted for Stein.

NSA already knows everything about you.
Giving trump my old address is not causing me a concern.

>>132040687
And it sure is rich seeing all these supposedly small government conservatives and privacy advocates calling for the investigation of every voter in the country and compiling a massive database to track the political views & voting history of 120+ million people.

That is the fear, not what's actually planned. What they say they want to do, is cross check lists between states, check known illegal names/SSN usage, dead people SSN usage, and other types of fraud. The fear of using the information against us is there. But if you don't go down the road of what ifs, this is a very simple and plain request from the federal government to states

>>132041629
This, even if the alarmist liars are right. Who the fuck cares if the federal government who issues your SSN knows your SSN and wants to verify it's you using it? How fucking retarded are you, OP?

>>132041731
Voting paterns are incredibly weak vs NSA + Fusion Center db. Being afraid of the government knowing the way you voted, fuck, might as well thermite all your drives and move up into the hills.

>>132041513
>I don't know a single white person in CA that voted for HRC
What are you >implying?

>>132041991
Like I said, that's the fear from those on the right. But if you look at the situation without what-ifs, this is a fair request

>>132042009
If you listen to actual white people radio for example, KFI 640 out of la, you'll find the vast majority of the white population are pretty hardcore guns and get off my lawn conservatives.
All the annoying shit out of CA are the 1% New Left bulldykes and mexicans. Even Gay men are pretty fucking conservative in LA.
But we've got great propaganda that makes the state look insane.
If only citizens could vote in CA, it would be Red again overnight. CDL's for illegals + Motor Voter Law + Say and Declare citizenship at the poll has fucked the state massively.
That's why Jerry Brown is hyperventilating over this.

>>132041731
>investigation of every voter in the country and compiling a massive database to track the political views & voting history of 120+ million people.
Both political parties already do this. This wouldn't even be an issue if we had voter id, so this is what you get

>>132042330
where the fuck are you even getting

>this is a fear from those on the right

from

>>132040136
Lmfao you have to stop using that flag then if you're a useless bum

>>132031540
>wants your personal information
you mean the information that's already public information?

>>132042365
I copied that first sentence from another post without >ing it. So many (you)s

>>132042360
Hard to believe that. Most of my liberal friends moved out there after high school for college. I don't doubt that there are republicans there, but with Hollywood and silicon valley, it's gonna be a bad time

>>132042492
Because giving private information to government has always been a no no for the right.

>>132032876
The country has been invaded by bad peole for a long time. Our sovernity is in danger. We need to take drastic action to remove the invaders before they take control. Hopefully we’ll be able to remove them and return to normal.

>>132039207
Do you not pay taxes?

Other voter data is largely a matter of public record. It’s collected for public purposes, not private ones, and there’s no opt-out on sharing this information. Voter records may contain facts about individuals, including…

Name
Street address
Party affiliation
Elections in which you did (or did not) vote
Phone number
Email address

>>132042793
No, im not in america, let alone taxes.

>>132040781
This. I read through this whole thread trying to figure out wtf op was talking about.

>>132041731
Yeah, except it's not a very simple and plain request. They want our declared political affiliations, our voting history since 2006, and all of our criminal and military records. There is no reason why they should be asking for that shit, unless it really is a plan to identify "problematic areas" where "extra voting security measures" should be implemented to prevent "illegal voters."

Oh, and never mind that the system that this panel is using to cross check the lists and voter info is incredibly flawed and gets about 200 false positives for every actual instance of double registration that it finds.

>>132042895
There-in comes the "what's considered private vs public" arguement. At the end of the day, they already know anyway.

>>132042683
I just moved away from SF, and I can tell you it's definitely fucked. I wasn't really friends with anyone there because they are in a bubble. Mexicans are housecleaners, not neighbors. So they have no illwill, just like you don't kick your dog for being a dog.
LA is a different story. You're forced to be in such tight proximity to them, that you just naturally start to clash and hate. White people in LA vs SF are completely different. Basically the whole generation that moved west from the dust bowl, worked in defense, had these nice new cookie cutter Fallout style Atomic homes. They've watched their neighborhood erode, and are moving in mass, or are ready to get violent. The trick is to fix CA before they all move to texas.

>>132043007
If you’re not an American then you have no say on this topic

>>132043032
This is all official "public information"
See >>132043093
There will always be an arguement on what is private vs public. I could say my name is private and nobody can use it.

>>132033801
they're less concerned with the general and more concerned with all the democrat representatives, state senators, mayors, etc. that were elected within CA, NY, etc.

>>132043093
The problem is most people are super blue pilled on this stuff.
I volunteer for PAC a few times a year, and the give you packets of people's personal information. anyone can get it you just have to volunteer.

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dam russians!

>>132043032
Illegal voting is a crime. So they have a higher priority deportation list.
>Criminal record
Highest priority
>Military
Lower the priority for deportation, possibly offer these people path to citizenship so Trump doesn't lose his military base of support.

The guy who was on Tucker last night from the Commission was very clear. They are using this as a deportation list.

>>132043115
Both those cities are "sanctuary cities" so I believe it

>>132043204
wat. ok, il be sure to tell that to all the americans whenever you guys post a Sweden is cucked thread again.

>>132043515
Sweden is cucked

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>Russians did this
>"no they didn't"
>why are you colluding with the Russians? don't you know how serious this is?
>later
>"okay they did but we need your information to prove it"
>nah
>"why are you colluding with the russians? don't you know how serious this is?!"

>later

What happens next in the libtard vs conservicuck battle to destroy America? It's kinda funny when you're not a bluepilled faggot with fucked up principles

>>132040687
You know that ballots don't have IDs on them. All ballots are blank, without any identification.
No one could ever know who you voted for.

That's not what people are after, There are conservative estimations that there are 5+ million illegal voters, many of which claimed to come from Cali. The idea is to sift through all the people who are registered to vote in order to determine how many people voted illegally. This will not reveal who voted for who. That is practically impossible.

>>132043468
In LA i technically didn't grow up in a Sanctuary city because of it's security implications, but close enough. I had 'spanish immersion' for two years. It was daily Whites vs Browns brawls in 2nd grade. You'd be hard pressed to find many working class whites from SoCal that are pro-immigration.

>>132043032
>military history
Shit's going to get real when the federal government finds out who was employed by the DoD. 1776 will commence again.

>>132043785
I grew up in a secluded white suburban rich town. Liberals are all I know, so I'm right there with ya

>>132043259
Just because its public information doesn't mean that the government has a carte blanche to do whatever it wants with that information. There are very strict rules that control the government's ability to share information between different branches & agencies of government. The Privacy Act of 1974, for instance, was enacted because Nixon tried to do this exact same shit back in the 70's. The left hand of government doesn't always need to know, or even should know what the right hand is doing.

>>132039207
>company that makes the SSNs
The SSA is a federal agency, you fucking dolt.

Who gives a fornicating fuck? The alphabet mafia has everyone's info; financial, sexual preference, medical history, internet habits. They know your on the shitter right now. They can activate your cameras, microphones, smart tvs. So who gives a fuck about giving up voter info.

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>>132044130
If no illegals voted, shouldn't this disprove what Trump is saying? As I said above, Patriot Act and Fusion Centers feeding every beat cop report to Alphabets basically made that moot. At this point, they're advertising of fucking billboards. It's time for voter ID and an audit. I'd think everyone would want more fair elections and clearer results after "muh Russia" or "muh Illegals" now.

>>132044130
The federal government requesting voter identification and information from the states is not impeding on any other branch of government. If they then say it's for this, or for that, it doesn't matter. They made a lawful request to the states.

>>132043649
this post is the crucial takeaway

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>>132044130
>Just because its public information doesn't mean that the government has a carte blanche to do whatever it wants with that information.
What exactly can they "do" with it anyway? Oh man, I'm a legal US citizen, that voted Republican my whole life, served in the Army and have several minor traffic violations. To the Ministry of Love with me! Or maybe, they're like, trying to curb voter fraud.

>The left hand of government doesn't always need to know, or even should know what the right hand is doing.
Transparency in government. If they don't even know what they are doing themselves, how are the people supposed to know what they're doing? The government is built by design to have oversight. So yes, the left hand does need to know what the right hand is doing, there can be no meaningful dialogue otherwise.

>>132044468
That's the only real arguement against this though. It's a what if arguement, but it still holds some water

>>132032650
They can't, thanks Obama https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/28/executive-order-establishment-presidential-commission-election-administr