Why does it matter if a fetus is a "life" or not? The

>>131905606
It is the textbook definition of murder.

>>131905606
No different to a tumour.

>>131905606
The only solution is forced abortion for all lefties. Government-funded, too. Because even if we didn't, we'd still have to end up funding their retarded children via welfare since leftists are all leeches

>>131906334
b8

>>131905606
>going to be
So why do you not fuck literally every female human you see? It's going to be a baby, after all.

>>131905606
A sperm is a potential life, so is an unfertalised egg. Should jacking off and having your period be illegal?

>>131906681
>Bong education

>>131905606
>It's going to be a human being.
Using that logic condoms and birth control should be outlawed.

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>>131905606
Reminder that if Roe V Wade never happened and abortion was illegal nation wide, then Republicans would never win another election. The only people who get abortions are liberal Democrats

>>131906681
>eeevery sperm is saaacred
>eeevery sperm is goood
>eeevery sperm is neeeded
>in your neighborhooood

>>131905606
literally every second you don't fuck someone is preventing a human life from occurring, it is more about the resources spent on a certain life. killing a fetus is nothing.

>>131905606
>It's going to be a human being.

It's clearly already a human being. Humans spend the first 9 months developing in the womb, and the rest of the time developing outside the womb. Losing one's baby teeth, going through puberty, and exiting the mother's womb are only 3 of the many developmental events in a human's life.

>>131905606
Why does it matter if it's murder? the whole semantic game around this issue is pathetic. What kind of reality do people really think we live in?

>>131905606
Reminder that life begins at conception.

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>>131905606
it disproportionately affects niggers and other scum, i don't give a single fuck

christcucks being anti-abortion will end white america and make texas blue

>>131906334
I mean if a tumor developed into a functioning human being, then maybe. Actually they're called leftists.
>>131906625
I don't understand
>>131906681
When I jack off, my semen doesn't become a fully functioning human being.
>>131906885
No. Same retarded logic as the first one
>>131907185
Another one

>>131907586
Please address my point here>>131906927

>>131906885
You're going to have to explain that one a bit more.

>>131907586
>No. Same retarded logic as the first one
But it has the potential to. Your original argument is based on denying a potential person life, not the ethics of whether or not fetuses or people.

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>>131905606
It is murder. Liberals are blindly following Lucifer.

>>131905606
It doesn't fucking matter until they have a functioning brain,

Would you keep a completely brain dead patient on life support indefinitely because taking them off of life support would be murder?

>>131905606
>Why does it matter if a fetus is a "life" or not? The point is that you are preventing an individual life from occurring and being born? It's going to be a human being.

Why does it matter if a human is a "life" or not? The point is that you are preventing an individual life from occurring and being alive? It's happen he is a human being.

Because being an actual life is what distinguishes it from sperm and unfertilized eggs in terms of your duty to ensure it winds up being born.

>>131907185
>killing a fetus is nothing
What about killing all Jews fetus?
Would be nice to me.

>>131907929
What's your point?
>>131908010
But sperm cells or eggs are not human beings by themselves, preventing them from joining is not the same thing as ending the life and development of a functioning human being. It's a complete false equivalency.
>>131908053
I refer to my original point, they're going to have a functioning brain when they are born.

>>131908053
Completely brain dead patient is irreversible outcome, you cannot change that, but you willingly interfere with creation of another human being.and you can influence outcome.

>>131908791
You have your stupid Republican elephant on your ID, so I assume you'd find the irony of the predicament you're advocating

>>131909062
Fuck off faggot
Take your degeneracy elsewhere

>>131909177
>t. Republican faggot

>>131908791
>But sperm cells or eggs are not human beings by themselves, preventing them from joining is not the same thing as ending the life and development of a functioning human being. It's a complete false equivalency.
Fetuses aren't people too, miscarriages are common and infant mortality is still a thing. You are basing a moral argument on denying life while ignoring the implications of what constitutes denying life. Is masturbating denying life? Since sperms cells don't hang around forever it very well might not be unless sex in the near future is likely. Is using a condom denying a life? If you are having sex with a fertile woman it is since the option for vaginal sex exists and without the condom the likelihood of pregnancy and with it the creation of a new life increase massively.

>>131909310
>Republican faggot
When a republican faggot tells you the sky is blue, do you systematically disagree?

>>131909553
A broken clock is right twice a day

>>131905606
Bringing more people into a world of meaningless suffering is a far worse crime. You shouldn't be allowed to have kids anymore.

>>131909502
>Fetuses aren't people too
It depends on where you put the "people" thing. May be 1 week pregnancy, 4 weeks...
Actually, heart beats quite early, as brain cells works early too.

>miscarriages are common
Right, but not a reason to kill working fetus.

>and infant mortality is still a thing
Yes, as general mortality is still a thing. Is it a moral justification to kill people in their 20s, 30s, 40s... ?

>>131909679
>A broken clock is right twice a day
Not a reply.
Please re-consider the question:
>When a republican faggot tells you the sky is blue, do you systematically disagree?

From the moment an egg gets fertilized it is a human in an early stage in its development. The poor babys even recoil from pain during abortions.

>>131910032
>I give a reply
>frog doesnt like it
What do you wanna hear, big boy? If you assume I'm a Democrat, you'd be sadly mistaken.

>>131909310
A fag calling someone a faggot

for the love of the almighty god, hang already >>131909310

>>131905606
It matter to moloch op.

Every abortion is a sacrifice to moloch in His temple.

5000+ years since Abraham and we are still confronted with this evil.

>>131906334
Why is it a double homicide if I murder a pregnant woman?

>>131910271
Suck it

>>131910462
Is it a feminine benis?

>>131910408
It shouldn't be

>>131910509
Hardly

>>131910237
>>frog doesnt like it
Nice argument.

>If you assume I'm a Democrat, you'd be sadly mistaken
I don't assume you're a dem. I don't give a shit about what you are.
But when someone debates on a precise subject, please reply using arguments.

You're useless, therefore should be zikloned.

>>131905606
>It's going to be a human being.
>going to be
>going
>going

So, not yet. Until 20 weeks, it's CERTAIN that it is still part of the mother, because it won't survive outside the mother.

If you want the State to mandate that everyone should have unwanted kids, the State should fully pay for them: free food, education and healthcare.

But of course, repugs only care until the kid is expelled from the mother; afterwards it's "fuck you I got mine".

>>131909502
Read what I actually say. Fetuses are going to be individual human beings. Giving the argument that miscarriages happen is like saying people aren't human beings because they have heart attacks.

As I said before, when a developing "bundle of cells" is concretely going to be born and have an individual life, then it's a fucking life. The sperm cell and egg argument is completely a false equivalency because they cannot individually develop into separate human beings. Condoms and birth control is not an equivalency to my argument. In terms of "preventing life" it's not nearly the same thing

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>>131905606
Life begins at conception. This is biology 101.
Abortion is considered tyranny by the US Declaration of Independence.
Abortion violates the 5th amendment.

Anything countering these points must be done so with Olympic grade mental gymnastics.

>>131905606
It doesn't matter and its a stupid argument for or against it. Murder is totally okay for war, self defense, death penalty, etc. Might as well add another exception if it makes sense. I don't care if abortion is murder. I do care if it: lowers my taxes, prevents single motherhood, reduces crime, keeps niggers in check, etc.

>>131910679
>Life begins at conception

because as any fule nous in Biology 101, the egg and the sperm are dead

>>131909502
Sperm and eggs aren't alive.

>>131910591
It is*
Not going to be. Are you arguing that because people cant stop fucking each other like animals that an unborn baby should pay for it with his life?

>>131910591
Then toddlers aren't human because they can't survive independently.

Fuck off and take your bait with you.

>>131910790
>because people cant stop fucking each other like animals

Ahhh, finally someone comes clean that it's not about the poor children, it's about punishing what you believe is bad morals.

>>131905606
It's only okay if it's a Jewish fetus, right?

>>131910588
The sky is fucking blue, are you happy? Geez, fuck off you autistic retard

>>131910591
>it won't survive outside the mother
Completely false in every aspect

>>131910880
How can you possibly reach that conclusion? Havent you hears of birth control?

what are you going to do about it faggot?

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>>131910740
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

Are you going to go for the gold?

>>131910846

It takes a village to RAISE a child.
Ex-utero development is part of what made humans so great. But you've got to be able to have a heartbeat BY YOUR OWN to be biologically alive. Which until 20 weeks (23, really, but who's counting) you can't.

Artificial wombs will change this...

>>131910591
>So, not yet. Until 20 weeks, it's CERTAIN that it is still part of the mother, because it won't survive outside the mother.

Not the point.
It's about "when does life start".

>If you want the State to mandate that everyone should have unwanted kids, the State should fully pay for them: free food, education and healthcare.

No, as long as "you" never asked women to open their legs for lust, without using contraceptive.

>But of course, repugs only care until the kid is expelled from the mother; afterwards it's "fuck you I got mine".

Totally agree. Next Portuguese who sends me his resume to get a job: Fuck you.

>>131905606
Murder is okay. Poor people have fewer mouths to feed and failure genetics are removed from the gene pool.

If the parents want their child dead who am I to disagree?

>>131905606
Oh look it's another martshart is heartbroken about wasted nigger fetuses thread

>>131911142
>No, as long as "you" never asked women to open their legs for lust, without using contraceptive.

Aahh, more morality concerns. Was this about life, Pierre?

If you induce birth at 20 weeks the fetus is dead. How has life started?

>>131911141
>But you've got to be able to have a heartbeat BY YOUR OWN to be biologically alive

This is completely wrong.

>>131911248
Then the laws on murder must be changed if infanticide is legal. If age can be discriminated, why not race?

>>131911458
No it's not. Vegetables on life support should also have their plug pulled. No exception.

>>131905762
wrong

>>131906681
this

>>131911141
Interesting.
If the village is not able to raise the child, for any reason, do we have the right to kill the baby?
Should we nuke the village instead, as it is unable to raise its own children?

Astonishing how humans tend to blame innocent people -babies or not- for their very own total failure.

>>131906927
That's pretty smart never thought of it like that before. Just let your political opponents kill themselves off

>>131911590
>No it's not.
Yes it is retard.

>>131911462
Infanticide should not be a crime if the parents do it.

>>131911743
No its not you failed abortion.

>>131905606
Why does it matter that "people kill people, not guns" when clearly people will use a gun to kill if available? Is selling guns without a license or for special hunting reasons, selling a convenient tool for fast and deadly assault and is that not the textbook case of complicity to murder?

>>131911798
Yes it it you retard that failed biology.

>>131911825
There are no licenses for guns. Only tax stamps.

>>131911680

No, we do not. Hence the need for child support, free healthcare and education.

Life is sacred. 20 week fetus are alive, because they're part of the mother's organism - if they're separated, they're dead, so they're not independent life yet.

>>131911893
No, it's not. Vegetables should be left to die, no exception. Keep shilling for niggers to have more babies tho.

>>131911357
>Aahh, more morality concerns. Was this about life, Pierre?

Nothing to deal with morality.
What you defend is blackmailing: I open my fucking legs to anybody, and you have to pay for the resulting child, because you don't allow me to abort.
Other people are not the wallet, or insurance, to your own misbehavior.
Now, about morality... Your own hairy mother would suck kilometers of dick every day and get fucked by sandniggers Moroccan, I would not blame her.

>>131911991
if we separated you from your neetbux, you would also be dead

>>131912170
>>131911991
best ally that is :)

>>131905606
>How is that not the textbook definition of murder?
Murder is when you deliberately kill human beings
If it's not born yet and not its own human being yet, it isn't a killing and there isnt a victim. So it literally doesn't meet the letter or spirit of the law.

But it's a nice emotional plea and when you don't have any good, rational arguments, you can always bleat like a goat and pretend it's an argument

>>131912033
Sorry to break it to you nigger but human life begins at conception.

>>131905606
If i smash an acorn, does that mean i cut down a tree?

>>131905606
Unsustainable outside of the mother is literally not alive.
What's next, no scratching because those cells are alive too?

>>131911991

>Life is sacred.
No. Life is life, nothing more; but nothing less. Lives can't decide on other life destiny.

>20 week fetus are alive, because they're part of the mother's organism - if they're separated, they're dead, so they're not independent life yet.
Agree, but it can't justify abortion, in itself.
Embryos are NOT part of mother body.
Embryos can't survive outside womb, ok, but again, it can't justify abortion, in itself.

>>131905606
how is the textbook definition of murder preventing a life from occurring?
Is cockblocking murder?

>>131906681
> Should jacking off and having your period be illegal?
You must be new here. The answer is yes.
YES!

>>131912779
No, cause sperm isn't alive.

>>131905606
>How is that not the textbook definition of murder?

Well it is the textbook definition of murder.

A fetus has it's own human DNA therefore making it a human. The mother murders the fetus because they don't want to be responsible for the consequences of their actions. It's just not called murder, because liberals don't want to be reminded that they're sick, evil human beings.

>>131906927
Reminder that Roe vs Wade was about PRIVACY to have an abortion, not legalizing abortion. Reminder that Roe ended up NOT aborting her child, and later went to fight against the decision made pertaining to abortions. Reminder that Republicans and Democrats alike have abortions.

Abortions need to be used more for the purpose of eugenics, as it was intended.

>>131905606
Eugenics, OP. That's the real purpose for abortions. Nothing wrong with wanting to kill out the unworthy and degenerate.

>>131906927

Reminder that abortion clinics were open in many states and abortions were regularly performed long before Roe v Wade happened, and was a state level issue only.

Reminder that Roe v Wade is regarded by both liberal and conservative lawyers to be one of the worst supreme court decisions ever.

>>131913431
>Eugenics

Obviously, you don't get it.

Abortion, as said and sold, is a woman right.
Abortion doesn't care about good/bad genes.

Sorry to tell, but Americucks are historically unworthy and degenerate Eurocucks sent overseas.

>>131905606
Pro-lifers are kike plants.

>>131905606
> It's going to be a human being.

if somebody mastrubates is it genocide? by youre own definition you would and kill millions of potencial children.
by that logic should condoms and birth control be illigal?

>>131914349
That's not the point because when you masturbate a child is not going to be formed. At contraception a process has begun to grow a human being, stopping that is essentially murdering them.

So if a pregnant woman is hit, then due to that she has a miscarriage later on, can she sue for the murder of her would-have-been-born baby?

If a pregnant woman is murdered, will the person charged for murder be charged with two counts instead of one?

In addition, does it matter at how many months she was pregnant for it to count as a 'murder' of the fetus in such cases?

>>131914657
still what if the mother would die in childbirth?what if the fetus is severly retarded?

abortion is a neccesery evil.

>>131905606
>more blacks are aborted than are born

DON'T ROCK THE BOAT, BABY!

>>131905606
So what if it is ? I agree its murder but honestly the convenience to the parent(s) outweighs the right to life, in my opinion, of the unborn child.

>>131914077
>Obviously you don't get it

Obviously you don't understand genetics.

Abortion is not solely the right of the woman, after all, she didn't impregnate herself.
Abortion does care about good/bad genes....like getting rid of them. Chances are, if they're getting an abortion, it's for the better of everyone.

Sorry, but I don't remember France being involved in anything having to do with America aside from signing over the Louisiana Purchase. I think you're referring to Canada.... where your peep landed and where it's now become a shit hole, quite like your country. How's Paris, btw? Any more Muzzies running people over?

>>131914681
>So if a pregnant woman is hit, then due to that she has a miscarriage later on, can she sue for the murder of her would-have-been-born baby

Yes, and it is legally the case in most countries.
Precisely, it is an eternal debate when dealing about abortion. On a side, fetus are legally considered, on an other side, women have right to abortion.

>>131914834
If the mother dies then it's not murder
If the foetus is going to be a potato then it's not murder

Abortion is a tool used to defend degenerate behaviour, it's only role should be in medical emergencies

>>131914349
How many times does it need to be said that sperm are not alive.

>>131914001
Thanks for stating facts I already knew?

>>131915211
>Abortion is a tool used to defend degenerate behaviour, it's only role should be in medical emergencies


it also keeps the nigger population from exploding.
why should a mother be condemmed to rease a retarded child?
why should a parent who is in poverty be forced to rease a child i such an environment?
and last of all what if its a rapebaby?

>>131905606
preaching to the choir my dude

>>131913177
>A fetus has it's own human DNA
DNA is a terrible threshold. First, a woman carries the DNA of her previous partners for up to several months - micrchimerism. Second, her DNA is changed by viral infections.

>therefore making it a human.
A human what? Being? No, it's not a human being until it is born.

>The mother murders
{{{ murders }}}
Nice emotional plea. Too bad you can't come up with any rational or logical arguments.

> the fetus
Even in our language, we don't refer to the fetus as a he or she. It is an "it". Like an object, not a person. The moment it is born, it becomes a fully fledged person with an identity, a gender, citizenship, rights and protections, etc.

I'm for abortions because it kills the babies that would most likely grow up to be criminals. We just need to figure out how to get beaners to start having abortions en mass like we've tricked blacks.

>>131915606

Holy fucking shit you fucking crybabies. God fucking forbid you have to take responsibility for your actions in life. God. Fucking. Forbid.

Go back to sucking daddy's cock for money you faggot. You're not fit for anything else in this world.

>>131915066
>Abortion is not solely the right of the woman, after all, she didn't impregnate herself.
I said: "as said and sold."

>Abortion does care about good/bad genes....like getting rid of them. Chances are, if they're getting an abortion, it's for the better of everyone.

No, abortion, in itself, doesn't give a dime about genes. If a woman wants abortion, she gets it.

But, right, women who abort are generally low-tier genes origin.

>Sorry, but I don't remember France being involved in anything having to do with America aside from signing over the Louisiana Purchase.

I never told France. I told "Eurocucks".
You can't deny your "heritage" is mostly made of whores and defrocked priests.

>quite like your country. How's Paris, btw? Any more Muzzies running people over?

Read this thread, it's not the subject.
btw, I hate Paris and muzz.
At least, whites are still majority in France (for now).

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>>131915910
>Holy fucking shit you fucking crybabies. God fucking forbid you have to take responsibility for your actions in life. God. Fucking. Forbid.
>Go back to sucking daddy's cock for money you faggot. You're not fit for anything else in this world.


how about you adres my pionts instead of using petty insults?

>>131914001
>Roe v Wade is regarded by both liberal and conservative lawyers to be one of the worst supreme court decisions ever.
Actually it opened the door for dozens of precedent-setting privacy cases. In fact, the enumerated rights and protections in the Bill of Rights revealed several privacy rights protections within their penumbras in later court cases. Lawyers understand this.

People like you couldn't.

>>131905606
key phrase here being "going to be", i.e. is currently not.

>>131915772
>No, it's not a human being until it is born.
incorrect

People will unironically defend ending a human life because a woman can't keep her legs closed. Crazy!

>>131915066
>Abortion is not solely the right of the woman
You can call it intelligent design, the superior product of evolution or whatever, but the man is prevented from having any physical contact with the fetus until it is born.

For a reason.

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>>131905606
There is literally nothing wrong with murdering niglets and genetic fuckups. Unironically kill yourself if you think murder is wrong.

Heart beat starts at 6 weeks. Who's heart are you stopping? it's not your own.
Abortion is obviously killing a person but the result of killing that person is 100% beneficial to society its like removing commies or the death penalty.

Also most women find out they're pregnant at 8 weeks, you can abort a baby up to 27 weeks. Why does it take women 19 weeks to make up their minds?

>>131916431
>key phrase here being "going to be", i.e. is currently not.
Yeah, but it doesn't allow you to destroy it.
Am I right if I kill you, arguing you're not (((anything))) enough?

>>131916866
>the result of killing that person is 100% beneficial to society its like removing commies or the death penalty
You're aware that children are necessary for the life of a nation, aren't you?

>>131916782
>People will unironically defend ending a human life because a woman can't keep her legs closed. Crazy!
Your argument isn't shit because of your misogyny. It's shit because of false premises - no life is ended.

>>131917194
>It's shit because of false premises - no life is ended.
This is incorrect

>>131917150
>but it doesn't allow you to destroy it
Yes it does, it's not human yet, nor sentient, so, killing it will be akin to killing a bug, or if you will, a parasite, which per definition, it is.

>>131916813
There's no pseudoscience like feminist pseudoscience. This is the same class as the gem that women are superior to men because "we all start out as female"

>>131917180
not when they're born to poor single mothers and will be dependent on the state for their entire lives. they'd be better off not existing

>>131905606
Murder is not a big deal. The Marines do it all the time.

>>131916866
>Heart beat starts at 6 weeks.
In biology it's just muscle tissue. Like a bicep. Oh wait, I see. You mean heart like Valentine's day and emotional crap.

>Who's heart are you stopping?
A fetus has no identity, so it is a what, not a who.

>>131905606
The death penalty is murder. Why do you care all of a sudden?

>>131912109
>What you defend is blackmailing: I open my fucking legs to anybody, and you have to pay for the resulting child, because you don't allow me to abort.
Whereas stating that the child is your primary concern is just a lie.

Fairest outcome: abortion is free and no child support/welfare. Moral version: abortion is illegal and we feed all of God's children

>>131917399
>it's not human yet
It is.
>Killing it will be akin to killing a bug, or if you will, a parasite, which per definition, it is.
To me you're a parasite to our planet and a plague to humans.
Please reply:
Am I the fucking right to bash your brain in as you're not compliant to my points of view?

>>131917453
>There's no pseudoscience
You should have stopped right there.

>>131906681
God said not to spill your seed, wonder why?

>>131917194
Yeah, the result of the sperm entering the egg, growing and developing and eventually falling out of the vagina is just a conspiracy theory. Everybody who's enlightened knows you roll dice until you're lucky enough for baby to be born.
When will you acknowledge that life begins when the sperm penetrates the egg? Is it so hard for you to stop fucking chad for a couple of weeks? The whole argument for abortion is to give the woman power to end potential life so that she can have the freedom to fuck as many mohammeds as she wants.

>>131912351
Clearly. And it makes you a big meanie

>>131905606
Only Democrats should be aborted, and the parents should be aborted too.

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Abortion eugenics can be helpful to society, but only of directed at populations you are trying to exterminate.

>>131905606
Human lives just aren't that valuable until they've had resources expended on them, i.e. until they are old enough to talk and think at least so it really doesn't matter if they die.
Whether they are in or out of a womb is irrelevant if you make the distinction between a human life and a "potential" human life.

>>131917515
That's an awfully circumstantial rule that you're trying to extrapolate. Not all women who get abortions are single mothers dependent on the state.

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>>131905606
>How is that not the textbook definition of murder?

It is.

>>131912351
>human children are acorns

>>131917861
Exactly. As a Greek you understand. OP is thinking too small, he needs to look at the nigger picture here.

>>131916866
Sometimes it's a married couple who find out they're going to have a potato

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>>131905606

Birth Control, Sterilization & Eugenics/Selective Breeding programs are far more effective/useful then Abortion.

Abortion/Planned Parenthood supplies Cults, Spirit Eaters & Genetic/Pharmaceutical Companies.

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>131905606
intelligent whites aren't the ones breeding like rabbits. In fact, most parents with """"accidental""" conceptions shouldn't have kids. People die every second for no reason, let these kids and the world be spared before they know what pain is.

>>131917700
>It is.
you forgot "not"
>To me
Sorry I hurt your delicate feelings
>you're a parasite to our planet
all humans are
>and a plague to humans
I'm an engineer, and actively contributing to humanity's technological advance, hence, I'm symbiotic to humans.

>>131918319
It's not about the parents, you twat. At that point, you're not even acknowledging the rights of the child, who's life is sparked by circumstances he doesn't control. If it sucks so badly for him, he'll commit suicide when he's ready.
>>131918392
wow this guy really gets it. nihilism is the only truth in this world xddd

>>131917670
>Whereas stating that the child is your primary concern is just a lie.
Life is the primary concern.
Homogeneity is another concern.
200'000 abortions in France yearly.
200'000 legal immigrants.
Law is another concern. I won't agree a slut to get the right to kill an unborn human being in my name.
Father is a concern, as women can legally abort without father consent, as "it's MY body".
Child is a concern, as a fetus is an unborn child. A child is a human being, with his very own life.

>Fairest outcome: abortion is free and no child support/welfare. Moral version: abortion is illegal and we feed all of God's children
Mother may have the choice: keep the kid or abandon him. Orphanages are not so expensive.
This blackmailing: grant me abortion right or pay for the kid is an argument whores usually resort to.

>>131917728
>Yeah, the result of the sperm entering the egg, growing and developing and eventually falling out of the vagina is just a conspiracy theory.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or really this stupid.

>Everybody who's enlightened
Like every true Scotsman?

>When will you acknowledge that life begins when the sperm penetrates the egg?
Probably when that's the case. Until then, the facts are, the fetus is the development or larval stage of a human being and doesn't actually become a human being until birth.

Linguistically, we don't count our chickens until they're hatched, either. ( Because they're not chickens yet.)

>>131917971
The overwhelming majority of them are though

>>131905606
>taking the pill is murder
>jerking off is murder
>condom is murder
>pulling out is murder
>anal is murder
kys

Are you supporting women being forced to raise a kid alone and with no money?
Kid who will turn out fucked up in the head and most likely a degenerate in the end
You're probably against degeneracy so why are you supporting birthing more useless trash people into this world?

Also, if you weren't just a brainwashed faggot and had real life knowledge about this you'd know no woman goes to abort her baby with a smile... It's a very traumatic experience. But one that is needed if you're willing to call our society advanced.

You're a complete faggot and have no idea what you're talking about

>>131917399
>it's not human yet
That's where you're wrong.

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>>131905606
What does it matter if a sperm is a "life" or not? The point is that you are preventing an individual life from occurring and being born? It's going to be a human being.

How is that not the textbook definition of murder?

>>131905606
Before it has a heartbeat it really is indistinguishable from "a clump of cells". Once it has a heartbeat though, yeah, you're stopping the heart of a human; that's murder.

>>131905606
Of course they're alive and it is murder.

The point is, who gives a fucking shit? Humans treat all life shit, other humans most of all. Why is killing suddenly bad but slavery and sweatshops are A-OK? Fuck that shit. Either be complete assholes to each other or cut out all of this exploitative shit. Until we achieve some form of true equality, I don't give a single shit if a baby is killed, if an old man is killed, or anyone else. We all gotta go, some gotta go before they come out. Too bad.

>>131918761
>Probably when that's the case.
The entry for “life” in the American Heritage Dictionary of Science states that life is “the form of existence that organisms like animals and plants have and that inorganic objects or organic dead bodies lack; animate existence, characterized by growth, reproduction, metabolism, and response to stimuli.”

Growth – As explained in the textbook Essentials of Human Development: A Life-Span View, “the zygote grows rapidly through cell division.”

Reproduction – Per Human Sexuality: An Encyclopedia, zygotes sometimes form identical twins, which is an act of “asexual reproduction.” (Also, in this context, the word “reproduction” is more accurately understood as “reproductive potential” instead of “active reproduction.” For example, three-year-old humans are manifestly alive, but they can’t actively reproduce.)

Metabolism – As detailed in the medical text Human Gametes and Preimplantation Embryos: Assessment and Diagnosis, “At the zygote stage,” the human embryo metabolizes “carboxylic acids pyruvate and lactate as its preferred energy substrates.”

Response to stimuli – Collins English Dictionary defines a “stimulus” as “any drug, agent, electrical impulse, or other factor able to cause a response in an organism.” Experiments have shown that zygotes are responsive to such factors. For example, a 2005 paper in the journal Human Reproduction Update notes that a compound called platelet-activating factor “acts upon the zygote” by stimulating “metabolism,” “cell-cycle progression,” and “viability.”

>>131918392
>all humans are a plague
>I'm an engineer, and actively contributing to humanity's technological advance, hence, I'm symbiotic to humans

Just like how engineers gave us the atomic bomb, through science you're not necessarily bringing the world closer to "ending its plague".With an attitude like that what's stopping you from developing an anti-human virus? You're definitely a detriment to the rest of the world, and you should promptly drink bleach.

>>131918392
>you forgot "not"
I have my concerns and points of view.
I forgot nothing.

>Sorry I hurt your delicate feelings
top kek.

>all humans are
Depends. Some more than others.

>I'm an engineer, and actively contributing to humanity's technological advance, hence, I'm symbiotic to humans.
Doesn't grant you the right to kill people on this sole purpose.
Anyway, a hair dresser or cook is far more useful to society than lazy engineer.
Trust me, I work daily with tons of them, far more clever than you are.
You are nothing, you did nothing.

>>131917861
>Abortion eugenics
You seem confused. Fetal termination is the realm of pregnant women and authoritarian governments. Eugenics can only be a policy or program of a society or state. The worst possible tyranny is for any government to have the authority to force women to bear children or force women to abort.

Abortion is good. How else are we going to solve the Indo-Chinese problem.

>>131918961
100 million of your sperm die every day whether you plant them in a woman or not.
0 unborn babies die unless a woman is impregnated and miscarries or has an abortion

>>131910880
Since when is holding people responsible for their actions and failure to take precaution called "punishing"?

Do whatever you want with your life, but be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.

>>131905606
Get lost. The world is overpopulated as it is.

>>131919932
With low IQ violent brownies. And every single aborted white child is replaced by a foreigner. A foreigner who hates you.

>>131919932
if the world is overpopulated why is Sweden importing more and more people into its country?

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Did someone order a pizza? Just kidding, I'm an abortion doctor.

>>131919462
Are you denying the reality of demographics?

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Which one of you bastards is the mother?

>>131905606

I agree. Plus there is proof that it's actually living because what happens when a child dies in the womb is called a miscarriage.

Abortion is murder. There really isn't an argument there. But there are allot of fucking sick libtards out there that really doesn't care. I sure don't want to be near any of them on judgement day.

>>131905606
It is and anyone who says otherwise know they are justifying murder.

>>131920183
>if the world is overpopulated why is Sweden importing more and more people into its country?
Because women abort.
Besides, Swedish males and females love black cocks/muzz sperm.

>>131919169
>The entry for “life” in the American Heritage Dictionary of Science
From a biological perspective, life is a continuation during reproduction.

I can get a dead frog to respond to stimuli, however, the metabolism for a fetus is performed by the woman's alimentary system.

The fertilization of a cell is relatively small change from meiosis to mitosis. Birth is the real transition if you've ever studied mammalian gestation.

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I fuck them after I abort them. Does this bother you?

>>131919660
>Since when is holding people responsible for their actions
Like having anti-pollution laws to make polluters pay for the damage they do? Yeah, sorry, I'm Republican, we don't do that.

>>131920570
>Are you denying the reality of demographics?
I don't even know what you mean by that so it's unlikely I'm denying it yet.

>>131921671
No, as they're dead.
You may even fill your ass up with dead babies.

>>131920885
>"Abortion is murder." There really isn't an argument there.
There really isn't.

>>131921998
The Bible is murder.

The next redpill: doesn't matter if it's murder or not. It improves the gene pool. I used to be pro-life, now fiercely pro-choice. I even encouraged some people to seek abortions.

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Would you please spread your legs, Miss?

>>131922199
>It improves the gene pool
>flag
lol

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>>131905606
>How is that not the textbook definition of murder?
Murder is a crime, we say it's not a crime so it's no murder but justified murder.

I'm not pro choice or pro life, I'm Pro Eugenics.

>>131922111
The Bible is pretty clear, God equates "life" with "breath" and breathe"

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=breath&qs_version=NKJV

Fetus can't think or feel. Quit being such sensitive faggots and start being practical.

>>131910967

All birth control methods are 100% effective,with no accidents and no misuse.

I fully expect anon to cut his balls off as a birth control method, because vasectomy is only 99.9% efffective...

>>131922582
>I'm not pro choice or pro life, I'm Pro Eugenics.
What is your definition of "good" genes?
What if majority decided to kill you before birth because they considered your genes were bad?
Who decides good/bad genes?

>>131905606
I dunno, but I've always laughed when it's a vegan who advocates it.
How fucked up do you have to be to value an animal with a remaining lifespan of three years more than a potential human with an average lifespan of over sixty? Even An-Cap doesn't have conflicts with their ideology like that.

>>131922199
>willfully convincing people to murder their child
isn't that a sin?

>>131922536
kek

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>>131921893
Demographics such as the chart I initially posted, showing that you Americans have successfully genocided 1/3rd of of your niggers, considering the population is around 35 million today. Add in the effects of race-mixing...

>>131922802
Yes, but I'm agnostic so I don't care.

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I'm coming to get your baby! I'm coming to get your baby!

I'm thinking about having my baby removed.

>>131922627
Exodus 21:22-23
>22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief (fatality) follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief (fatality) follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
God considers than unborn baby a life just as valuable as anyone else. Life for life

>>131923092
>I'm thinking about having my baby removed.
Women -> thinking
?

>>131905606
killing fetuses is wrong, wait till its born and if the father deems it weak drown it in a river like any sane person.

>>131923251
God fucked the virgin Mary when she was 12. God is a Pedophile.

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>>131905606
because I wanted a bunch of guys to fuck me since there is a direct inverse correlation between social progress and social stability and nothing matters anymore

>>131922780
You look at the parents. If they're not White, or if they're living off welfare, are drug addicts, are criminals, have mental illnesses, have genetic diseases, are short and weak etc. then most probably the child will be the same.

Of course sometimes the child aborted would have been a great guy. But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

>>131910408
Only 29 out of 50 states have that law and of the states that do have it, they define a cutoff period. For example killing a woman 1 month pregnant would not be a double murder.

>>131923251
>God
>having an opinion

>>131923343
Wrong.
A real fascist may allow the regime to try to raise the kid first. Then, indeed, kill him if weak.
Please read your classics before pretending being fascist.

>>131923251
God thinks you should do suicide by cop, just like Jesus.

>>131905606
>preventing someone from becoming human is murder

that's like saying jacking off or using a condom is murder, oh wait christcucks actually say this too

if we don't know any better, doing an abortion means you want to deal with a 50% chance you're committing murder

>>131923616
you are a cuck who raises nigger babies. I am a Trump fascist and Trump loves freedom.

>>131923727
>a haploid sperm/egg cell is the same as a zygote onwards
Bong education is pretty embarrassing.

>>131923442
You'd be surprised about the number of good -even exceptional- guys who came from shitty families.
>But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs
Never been a serious argument, but has some truth.

All in all, you have a logical point of view. I like it.

>>131922881
>Margaret Sanger Negro Quote.jpg
Too bad the line was taken out of context. Sanger was saying she didn't want something patently false to be said about her organization.
https://www.thoughtco.com/margaret-sanger-quotes-3530134

>you Americans have successfully genocided 1/3rd of of your niggers
No, the right of these women to decide for themselves to bear children or not has been respected.

>>131905606
It's legal.

>>131905606
>How is that not the textbook definition of murder?

It's not the textbook definition of murder because it's the textbook definition of eviction.

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>>131923967
Whatever you want to call it, the demographic attack is super effective.

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We're gonna have to pull this sucker out and throw it in a biowaste bin. Any last words, Lady?

>>131923825

Obviously, you don't like books and haven't fast-checked your classics before replying.

Fascism means having a brain first. You can't wash brain someone who has no brain.

Besides, Trump is a fatty brainless lazy cocksucker, who would have been killed in a real fascist society.

You pretend being, you worth less than a nigger.

>>131905606
If you get an abortion you should be sterilized and at the very least the father should agree to it.

>>131905606

Pfft, abortion should be legal till child reach 3rd year. Before 3 years it is just chunk of meat, my cat smarter than IT.

>>131924528
>If you get an abortion you should be sterilized
Makes sense.

>>131924448
we get it, you voted for hillary. You still butthurt, cuck?

>>131905606
yes let's bring to term all those shitskins, crack babies, retards, white trashlets that would otherwise be culled by abortion.

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I won't be happy until my baby is in a biohazard bin.

>>131924646
>you voted for hillary
>myflag

Lol.
Definitely worthless.
Even a gay democrat nigger worths more than you do.
For once, I'm pro choice.
Your mother was a slut who should have aborted.

>>131925045
its a fact that millions of illegal votes were cast for hillary.

There are two types of women who get abortions:

1) Black and White trash women who live off welfare, are very promiscuous and can't use a condom; generally young. Pregnant a lot of times in a lifetime, I would say 7 to 10 times. Aborts most of the time (thanks God) but still ends up with a lot of children. This is the majority.

2) Career whore who doesn't want to have children in her twenties. In this case abortion is criminal.

In an ideal world, women should never have the choice, a scientific committee should evaluate each pregnancy and decide instead of the parents.

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You tried to abort me, but now I'm back! What do?

>>131905606
>>131905762
Websters definition - the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

Nothing about 'preventing an individual life from occurring and being born'. Nigger, your mom could charge me with murder every time I nut on her face if that was the definition.

Abortion keeps minorities in check, so let them murder all they like

>>131918946
>he equates ending a serial killers' life with an unborn baby that is 100% innocent

I think those comparisons speak more against the left/abortionists who love criminals than anything else.

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You didn't think it would be that easy. Did you, Mom?

>>131905606

at its base it comes down to

>white knights can't say no to a woman

even when its murder. because really is child murder worse then minor inconvenience for a women?

for your answer see also.

>"infanticide" laws

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Put the baby in the bin, they said. They wouldn't come back, they said!

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>>131906769
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Have you seen my Mommy!

>>131925869
Seriously, aren't you dumb or something?
Some people may help you.

>>131926755
How can you tell if a Frenchman has been in your yard? Your garbage cans are empty, and your dog is pregnant.

>>131905606
If it's wh*Te then killing it is alright

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This kills the Turk.

>>131927013
If roaches is better.

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>>131927300
Hahahahahahaha

>>131905606
It is all we have until artificial wombs are perfected. Once we have those the government can take all the fetuses they want and raise them to be good soldiers and government employees. Perfectly programmed with propaganda. Until then STFU or offer to adopt them.

>>131905606
Depends on what your definition is of a "someone"

Throw a Baby in a Bin!

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>>131905606
How did cavemen handle birth, if scissors only exist since 1500BC?

>>131905606
Because killing of fetuses is the textbook definition of feticide

>>131928262
Throw your Baby Bump in the County Dump!

>>131907929
Population capacity and forced responsibility. A population can get ever so large until a change happens in the environment. That, and as people start acting more like parents, they vote more conservatively. It's typical for people to change from liberal to conservative when they get more responsibilities, which abortion can easily remove.

>>131928535
Babies are Cancer! Abortion is the Answer!

>>131925343
Yeah we need more government intrusion into the lives of private citizens

>>131923251
Thankfully god doesn't make the laws around here, if he did it would be called sharia

>>131906927
You ignore commies are very good at turning people away from what values their families have taught. You won't be eradicating shit, the Netherlands is the land of the abortion and euthanasia, and you aren't seeing conservatives being voted in there. In fact let's say Europe as a whole is very abortion friendly yet you aren't seeing conservatives in power there. You underestimate how liberals have taken over the culture in the West, the media overall, the universities, even the churches have been infiltrated.

Theresa May for example is a fake conservative whose first priority is to deepthroat islamic cock all day everyday.

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>>131929148
>Sharia
>defending women from harm