>God is omniscient and omnipotent >There is free will

>>131844206
explain how the two are mutually exclusive

>>131844342
If God had knowledge of your fate before he created you then created you in accordance to that fate, you had no free will in your fate. If god is just in creation, he must not have knowledge of your fate before your creation.

>>131844636
>If God had knowledge of your fate before he created you then created you in accordance to that fate
true
>you had no free will in your fate
false
just because God knew what choices we would make doesnt mean we didint make them

>>131844937
If god had knowledge of your fate before you were created then the only thing that could've been done to change your fate was God changing your fate before your creation (since god does not interfere directly in a life). If God fixed your fate before your existence then the only choice that mattered in your life was already made.

>>131845351
that may be true but we as individuals still had to make the decisions that would lead to our fate. but i suppose it doesnt really matter anyway because it is impossible for a human to understand the mind and motivations of God

>>131845747
Do you see the very subtle, but powerful difference?
My original post can be restated as:
>God has freewill
>Humans do
You may only choose one.

If God has free will (the choice to send someone to heaven or hell) then God is capable of evil since he creates life simply to suffer with knowledge that it as the only outcome.
If God doesn't have free will (doesn't know our fates before our creation) he is simply rolling the dice with hopes of a good roll.

An all-powerful and all-knowing God being can not exist without being cruel and unjust within the confines of our world. If the Christian god is completely good, then there must be something he can't do or know (we know that the christian god can't do things such as lie).

>>131844206
faith must begin where reason ends.

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1. God is outside of time, any argument that speaks of him "Doing" something before or after something is incorrect. It is more accurate to speak of the Christian God as intersecting with the universe. The Deity has 'knowledge' of future events not because they are preset in a deterministic fashion but because his perception extends across all points of time in a single cosmic moment.

2. The problem of evil is a question of compatibility not truth. There are dozens of concepts of God, and dozens of concepts of Morality. The Problem of Evil simply states that for a given God and a given Morality, when compared to the condition of the World, a contradiction exists. Changing either the concept of God or the concept of Morality into one that is compatible defeats the argument.

3. The Christian Deity's definition of "omnipotence" does not extend into the realm of logical contradictions. He cannot make square circles, free slaves, or good bad guys. These things aren't a question of power, they're questions of sense.

>>131847856
>t. Satan

>>131845351


This thread again?

It's so easy to explain.

Here's how it works:

Two timelines:

Time line 1: God doesn't know what you are going to chose, this is the first time line.

God doesn't interfere in your life, he just watches what actions you take, and why you take them.

Your life ends in Time line 1.

Time line 2 begins:

In this time line God already knows what you are going to do based on your actions in Time line 1.

So you see?

You already made your choice in Time Line 1.

You are not here to make your choice in Time line 2, you already made the choice.

You are just here to try and understand WHY you made your choice.

Get it?

However, there is a very interesting thing that happens in this Time line, you have the ability to change a decision in Time Line 1.

Have you ever had DEJA VU?

Well, Deja vu's are God's way of giving you a CHANCE to change your decision form Time Line 1.

So whenever a Deja Vu happens, slow down, think about what you are going to decide.

It's your second chance.

>>131844206
>God
>Fairy tale
Choose two

It's not a contradiction if God perceives all realities and all outcomes at once. That is a suitable definition of omniscience, while still allowing for free will on our part.

Use the brain He gave you for once.

>>131844206
Both exist.
God is omniscient and you're using your free will to be a faggot.

>>131848512
lmao

PEPE IS MY DAD

>>131844206
>All-knowing and can do anything
>He knows all the choices you'll make, and the results of said choice, and the choices you'd make as a reaction to the results, and so on
>Even though he knows everything and can do anything, he chooses to just let you choose and just observe; he might intervene from time to time, either for kicks or to save/damn you

How difficult is it for you to understand those concepts? You still have free will. He still doesn't choose for you... all the time. Existence, in a way, is a "many worlds interpretation" where each potential outcome creates another "universe" - your choices, from your gift of free will, also creates another universe, per se. Non-sentient and non-human beings do not have this gift. They live a very linear existence. For instance, almost all animals when threatened would either attack, submit, or flee; the response is almost programmed (instinctive) and would never deviate, and any perception of deviation is likely a mutation in the genes causing said animal to act differently, which still means it's been programmed (just differently). That's a lack of free will. A human threatened could attack, submit, flee, do nothing, kill himself, reason, and so on. And that could change based on factors that most often cannot be explained. That's free will.

>>131847550
Good and Evil are human concepts. Good is essentially doing something that God would like, despite having the free will to do something He wouldn't like. And evil is doing the opposite of that. God is beyond good or evil, so what he does cannot be ascribed the labels of good or evil. And as stated by >>131845747 , we cannot truly comprehend why He does what He does and the "big picture" of it all.