California refuses to turn over voter rolls in the investigation

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>>131839686
well drumpf wont hand over his taxes either

How would it legitimize the claims if they showed no voter fraud? The only way the voter rolls could legitimize the claims is if there was actual voter fraud, which is why CA won't turn them over. Cuckfornia doesn't want to get caught red handed.

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>>131839686
Fine. I would not let them vote in any national election.

>>131840874
Please tell me you're just shitposting and aren't actually holding onto this meme. The fuck would his taxes matter. Cock guzzling MSNBC voters are shit.

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>>131839686
>"I will not provide sensitive voter information to a commission that has already inaccurately passed judgment that millions of Californians voted illegally," he said in a written statement. "California's participation would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud made by the President, the Vice President, and Mr. Kobach."

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New law: states that refuse to comply with the voter fraud commission are not allowed to participate in elections for federal positions (Congress and president). States that do comply but have widespread voter fraud lose one Senate seat, half their House seats and half their electoral votes for the next decade.

>>131839686
Knock Knock, it's the FBI.

This is it. I've been waiting my entire life for a president to use the big fat federal cock to throughly rape commiefornia and make it submit to the union.
May Trump have no mercy and launch an all out campaign against the liberal shithole that is Commiefornia so hard that mass lynchings of leftists occur while they panic and try to flee the state

>>131839686
Alright, lets just get federal warrants made up for all California voting districts. And any congressional district shown to have more than 1% fraud loses their seat until completion of the next census.

>>131841789
>>>/p/lebit is that way, faggot.

>>131840874
Yes he did. To the Republican hating IRS. Who have made no claim of wrongdoing despite still being run by Dem operatives.

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>>131842656

>>131839686
>proving that there was no voter fraud would legitimize claims that there was voter fraud

That doublethink

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>>131843091
Don't forget he leaked one to some dumb ass reporter. And, you know releasing your tax returns is not a prerequisite to being president. Mention tax returns at this point, you are a hopeless drain on society. Logic says so.

>>131840874
This is leaf tier

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How can you legitimize a false claim with actual evidence? It's false. We said so.
Democrats too power drunk to hide their crimes anymore. Saying "fuck off" doesn't cut it.

>>131839686
Yet liberals will be the first to give you the "If you have nothing to hide" rhetoric when justifying the government spying on us.

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>>131842008
>debunked
is it debunked if they never even addressed it?

Can Trump make Cuckifornia comply? I can't see him just letting that shit state off the hook that easily

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>>131839686
Califag reporting


I hope trump comes knocking

>>131844094
I like this idea. >>131841625
If CA won't give the feds access to voter databases, tell them to fuck off when it comes to federal elections. Get Congress to pass the bill. Then get SCOTUS to shit on the 9th Circuit's inevitable faggotry. I am so ready for their bullshit to end.

>>131842140
We would need to codify what constitutes "widespread." Either that or Cornyn and Cruz are going to have to rock-paper-scissors to see who jumps on the grenade the spic crooks in Brownsville, TX pulled the pin from.

>>131839686
>"legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating

Oh the irony. If there's no problem, why not provide the data?

>>131840874
>well drumpf wont hand over his taxes either

Which ammendment to the constitution requires him to do so?

>>131844094
He can cut funding til they comply or mobilize the military to seize them by force.

Option 1 would likely prompt a failed Calexit referendum and option 2 would likely prompt some sort of armed resistance that could escalate to a small civil war that quickly turns into an insurgency in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Chicago

Do you think any other Republican if they won would be doing this am amazing stuff he is doing? Who is telling him to do this? Is this Bannon at work?

>>131844983
second option mmmmm where do i sign up for conscription

>>131839686

Oh this is awesome...incoming massive DNC voter fraud in california im betting its not the liberal bastion everything was made to think.

>>131845233
Ask your stupid questions somewhere else

>>131845233
no. trump is exactly what our country needed.

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Legit question - what happens if it turns out that the popular vote was padded through illegal votes? Does it even matter? I mean, Trump won, it's not like if they find election rigging from the Democrats that it will make a difference.

Any input?

>>131839686
It's an admission of guilt.

>>131845835
We attack the commies by shoving it in their face for the next forever.

>>131839686
>pre-register 2 years in advance

it literally takes me 30 minutes to go get registered to vote, why the fuck do people need to register 2 years in advance

>>131845835
It leads the way for voter IDs and other types of shit because it proves that faggots are trying to game the system.

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>>131839686

Los Angeles Anon here. This is my story of witnessing voter fraud.

Went to vote at a local school. Discover they have set up two voting tables this time. One for the locals, one for these random people who have been showing up in school buses.

The randoms are taken in line ahead of the neighborhood locals. The randoms are waived through the check in process quickly, while the local are scrutinized heavily. They tried to deny me the right to vote on some obscure technicality. When I pitched a fit I was finally allowed to vote

They brought in the random voters in school buses, to a local school where the polling place was located. It's almost like they were trying to disguise the people they were bringing in to vote.

All of the voters were hispanic.

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>>131839686
Calexit when

>>131845835
It makes the Democrats look retarded and gives Republicans more seats in coming elections. Also helps pass voter ID laws to end shenanigans. The only states that were potentially stolen due to voter fraud were New Hampshire, Minnesota, and Nevada

>>131839686

>some illegal immigrants may have voted for Hillary but Trump won anyway
>Putin attempted to get Trump elected, and Trump got elected

I wonder which one of these scandals is more important...

>>131845835
quite a few governors and senators could lose there jobs and

>>131845898

it always is when they refuse providing evidence when required by law to do so.

>>131846085

Must pray to the San Andreas Fault Gods. Soon my friend...soon...

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>>131839686
Cut them off from voting then.

Send in the FBI and take them by force.

>>131846149
You forgot to mention Commiefornia. I know they are mostly retarded democrats but what better place to pad your vote count than somewhere people wouldn't think to look?

>>131842656

>Leftists push non-stop for expanded federal power and then their worst nightmare gets elected to office

Pottery.

>>131846149
literally everything makes the democrats look retarded. daily fucking life makes the democrats look retarded.

>>131843091
HOLY FUCK. A LEAF. BOURKE IS THAT YOU? HOW ARE YOU POSTING?

>>131839686
>hard data on the election will only legitimize false claims
My almonds can only get so active.

>>131842140
10/10

>>131845974
They have to first learn English so they understand how to register so it takes around 2 years

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>>131839686
Any way to compel California to work with this commission for the sake of confidence in our election system? Can trump pass executive order forcing voter Id laws if California does not comply? Any way to neuter the 9th circuit as well while we're at it? This is legit disenfranchisement of the voting system if California will not work with this commission or atleast abide by voter Id laws by executive order?

>>131839686
>President Trump's voter fraud commission will not be getting the names and addresses of California's registered voters.
Wanna bet?

>>131845974

Youngsters are more likely to vote Democrat in general, so the strategy might be that if they apply enough pressure to have younger kids select a party when pre-registering, they may be more likely to vote along their chosen (read as more likely democratic) party lines, as well as stay loyal party members (because they did all the legwork for the voter) come election times in the future.

Money's going in, so they expect money out in the long run.

>>131846075
>They tried to deny me the right to vote on some obscure technicality.

Uh..... we need more info than that or else you're just a lying piece of shit.

>>131845835
Doesn't matter to that election, could make a big difference in the next one

>>131840874

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>>131845835
It obliterates the no fraud bullshit narrative for eternity and you'll finally catch up to civilized countries and ID people voting for your leaders. It absolutely astounds me to no end that you dont, and the fact that the number one reason is muh racism is even more shocking.

>>131846456
They're pretty fucking retarded for pushing for more executive powers to allow a potential dictatorship and then the guy they absolutely fear is the one put into the seat of power.

Like what the fuck did you expect?

>>131840874
Bulldyke on MSNBC got his tax returns he paid $25 million.

If he was cheating on his taxes the IRS would have fucked him already. Especially Obamas IRS

>>131846460
Sufficient voters to swing elections aren't paying attention to daily happenings. An election fraud case would have a profound impact

>>131839686
fucking liberal spics lol

((((Youtube)))) is silencing everyone except for the controlled opposition. be wary of (((((((((((((((Richard Spencer)))))))))))))))), ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((alex jones)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), (((((((((((((((((((((((((((varg))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), ((((((((((((((((((((((((((kekistan))))))))))))))))))))))))),
Assclowns united's channel was terminated. These faggots had a song called praise kek with 60k views. Why were they terminated but not this ((((((((kekistan))))))))) shit.
((((((youtube)))))))) needs to be boycotted so that they make less money. How do we get the word out?
https://vimeo.com/222993301

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>>131839686
>Legitimize as a result of empirical proof of fraud

>>131844293
CA BRO HERE HELLO

>>131844983
Option 2 please.

I live in San Diego right next to the military base, I'd totally sign up.

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>>131846192

>>131844293
top kek

>>131839686
How is this not a simple confession? I get that these idiots are so locked into rhetorical sparring that they no longer understand the meanings of words, but didn't he just have a Freudian slip there?
>our evidence will bear out your accusation
Time for California to learn what a subpoena is.

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>>131839686

>>131839686
>>131841466
The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.

>>131848024
I've been saying it for years. Before you pass a law, or hell, do anything you should ask yourself
>Do I want my worst enemy to be able to use this?

>>131848221
YouTube is already hurting so they won't care if they are hit with a boycott again. You need to boycott Google that's where the money is

>>131839686
This guy with have a mysterious accident ala Seth Rich when the inevitable lawsuit happens.

Tick tock, better enjoy those sunsets....

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FBI SWAT teams in 3...2...

>>131841789
Obviously they matter or he would just release them.

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>>131856818

He doesn't release his tax returns because it's something stupid and meaningless for his opponents to autistically screech about. His supporters don't care and judging from the fact that Trump won bigly among independents most of them don't care either. Not releasing the tax returns keeps Democrats focused on a talking point that most people who aren't Democrats don't give a shit about. Plus, if Trump decides he wants some positive press or if he just wants to fuck with Dems and the media he can finally release them...wait, he already did that.

>>131839686
>who said it would only "legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating last fall.

Hold up....

Did he just say that the claims of vote fraud were legitimate?

>>131839686
>who said it would only "legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating last fall.

Doesn't this basically legitimise it though?

>>131842140
you would have to bribe the supreme court with all of the money to get them to let that pass
it would be easy to kick california out of the union

>>131839686
>The panel's request was denied on Thursday by Secretary of State Alex Padilla, who said it would only "legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating last fall.
As opposed to now

>>131839686
>Hmmmm......really makes you think about what they're hiding
Probably shows that a majority of Hillary's popular vote "lead" actually comes from south of the border.

>>131844069
Leftists are firm believers in the idea of telling a lie so many times it's eventually accepted as truth
Lucky for us it's a lot harder to pull that shit off now that the internet is around

>>131844571
>We would need to codify what constitutes "widespread."
Greater than 5-10% is a good start. If you can't control your election process, you don't get to be a part of that process.

>>131845835
It would mean that Hillary colluded with Mexico to try to hack the election

>>131839686
heh, didn't that recent story about the republicans db on all registered voters being unsecured prove that they already have this info?

N U K E C A L I F O R N I A

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>>131859736
>>who said it would only "legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating last fall.
>Doesn't this basically legitimise it though?
it's just like in I, Mudd when the gay robot Norman is told everything Mudd says is a lie and then Mudd says "I am lying"
>mind blown

>>131854134
I've been using (((Bing))) for almost a year now. It's good enough.

>>131860533
Wasn't that just repub voters tho? 198m or something like that...

>>131839686
>California refuses to turn over voter rolls in the investigation into voter fraud

Presidential elections are a federal matter.

It is literally outside the jurisdiction of California to deny such a request.

>>131842008
>claims that millions of illegals voted is false
>handing over the voter registration rolls would only LEGITIMIZE the 'false' claims
Does he not know that is a tacit admission of guilt? Or are commiefornians actually that retarded?

>>131848024
They expected Hillary. Probably half the shit Obabo did was paving the way for her.

>>131845835
It matters for 2020. It matters for local elections.

Turn California red. This state is too beautiful to surrender.

Commiefornia sanctions when

What would Texans have said if Obama demanded the same?

>>131861866
I don't think so, it doesn't make sense to just target your voters, you want to flip some of the opponents voters too, or at least try and get them to stay home

>>131854134
Boycotting Google won't do anything.

If you want to take Google down (and Facebook while you're at it) expose the massive amounts of fraud in online advertising.

I saw that shit happening and when I brought it up it was considered to be something not advantageous to dig into further.

Spread the notion that your advertising money is wasted on them because of fraud and they would collapse.

Oh, my...what are they hiding?

>>131861866
it also mentions in the article that the info they are asking for is data that is usually given to researchers etc for a fee

>>131845835
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

seriously though, leafs have gotten to your head if you think voter fraud isn't serious no matter who won.

>>131862495
If there would have been nonstop screeching about voter fraud/collusion/interference, they would have given the public data.
Mueller could demand the data, since he is looking into all aspects of Russian interference/hacking/rigging the election.
Plus, Trump got hammered for saying the election could be rigged...then after election, dems screamed the election was rigged.
Seems like this is a no brainer. Gotta make sure all the numbers match up...prove no pesky Russkies got in and voted illegally...you know, like how Detroit had more ballots for HRC than voters in that precinct...Russians???

>>131839686
>"legitimize" false claims

>>131845835
It does matter, because these illegals arn't influencing just the presidential vote. They're influencing every single election on the ballot, especially local elections which in turn implement the sanctuary city laws.

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>>131845835
There are currently 14 Republican representatives 39 Democrats in California.
An investigation into cheating might change that.
Plus school boards, mayors, and a bunch of other more local shit.
There are still decent people living in California.

>>131862553
Good point. And yes, since the data is available to researchers and media, this just adds to the suspicion.
California is definitely testing the boundaries of what Sessions will do...
Jerry Brown making the deals with the Chinese..have to see if DOJ decides to say anything about that.

>>131863131
And a lot of big money is starting to pour in, especially to the local DA races...

>>131862312
"legitimize" in this context does not mean to verify that election fraud happens. it means that it would legitimize and normalize a very expensive and time-consuming process that the governor of california seems certain will turn up nothing. if trump starts an investigation into voter fraud claims and it turns out to be a non-issue, that's a lot of money wasted that could have been spent on something not retarded

>>131863327
.01$ have been deposited into your account
For more mental gymnastics training visit shareblue.com/it-wasnt-real-socialism

>>131863151
sounds like a clear case of obstruction of justice and misfeasance in public office

tkae him to the gulag

>>131863327
so does that mean Trump should fire Mueller so we aren't "legitimize" this time consuming and expensive investigation into these outragous Russia claims?

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>>131839686
>it would only "legitimize" false claims of massive election cheating

>>131863500
i'm not a hillary supporter

>>131863537
it would be a reasonable move

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>>131863621
Prove it commie

>>131846192
>some people voted illegally
vs
>some people had their votes influenced by leaked but damning information
ftfy

It's the same shit as that Romney tape of him saying he isn't pandering to 40% of the neverromneys or whatever.
Only more embarrassing because they had no counter spin and just attacked the leaks as unfair instead of untrue.

>>131863780
i'm not sure how i would "prove" it. but i'll point out that clarifying what a person meant when they used a word in a certain context is not the same as saying i agree with them. i think the governor should let them look at the voting information, even if it wastes money, because he might as well take every opportunity he has to put taxpayer dollars to his political advantage while he can

Cut off their money and water until they change their minds. I also like the idea of if they still refuse to bar them from participating in the next election.

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>President Trump's voter fraud commission will not be getting the names and addresses of California's registered voters

Do they not realize that this is a huge red flag? What is the next step for Trump to get the records?

>>131864335
>implying he doesn't have them and wasn't just giving California the opportunity to be smug and uncooperative and deceitful about it

>>131839686
Whatever happened to these fuckers saying "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"? Suddenly they are concerned for the privacy of others? I smell bullshit.

>>131842008
Translation:
>We will worm our way out of exposing our illegals.

>>131864384
>inb4 wikileaks leaks the entire thing

>>131864384
i know a lot of trump supporters like to think of him as some kind of mastermind, but have you considered the possibility that california is waiting for trump to make a big deal out of these records just so that they can release them and have trump's investigation itself reveal that california was right all along?

>>131864523
They would have smugly released them after his first accusation

>>131864523
Nobody who lives in California would entertain that possibility for even a second. Even the people who are against Trump and want him to fucking die don't actually think that illegals don't vote. They just think they ought to be able to and employ a form of taqiyya when arguing with people who don't agree.

And California wouldn't release them. More likely they'll release a doctored version of them and then throw a shitfit to the media when Trump isn't satisfied with that, calling it a witch hunt or something.

No, I don't think for a fucking second that your "possibility" is worth entertaining, because it requires me to assume the possibility that millions upon millions of illegals didn't vote in the election, and that is factually false.

do people really think illegals didnt vote. you don't latin american countries. in latin america you don't win by popular you win by corruption.

>>131839686
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

do people really think illegals didnt vote. you don't know latin american countries. in latin america you don't win by popular vote you win by corruption.

>>131864574
i mean that's a possibility, but it relies on the assumption that they're retarded and have no political foresight -which as enjoyable an idea as it might be- is just as unlikely as it is likely that trump already has the records; considering his tendency to react quickly and recklessly to opposition

>>131864843
there are around 11 million illegals in this country, it would be very impressive turnout if they voted in great enough numbers to influence the election, especially considering where they tend to live

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>>131864861
>latin american countries
That is, sadly, what California is. With everything that entails.

>>131864927
>do people really think illegals didnt vote
Nobody who lives here thinks that, and nobody with an IQ in the triple-digits believes it anywhere. The people who deny it aren't being sincere in the least bit.

>>131864992
>there are around 11 million illegals in this country
There are tons more than that and I would literally bet my left nut on it if God could arbitrate the bet.

>it would be very impressive turnout if they voted in great enough numbers
Dems have this down to a science.

>to influence the election
That's the hilarious part. They lost a rigged election.

>>131839686
California is guilty as fuck

Just remove them from the US already

>>131864992
>that they're retarded and have no political foresight
Easily plausible or did you miss the last year of politics?

They go out of their way to spite Trump and you're an idiot if you think they wouldn't love to rub the popular vote in California in his face.

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Is California as far gone as its government leadership would seem to indicate? San Francisco and LA both have non-White majors, the state House and Senate are both led by beaners. Secretary of State, Attorney General, etc all seem to be led by non Whites. 1/2 Fed senators is black and the (((white))) one is an old Jew.

Are these just diversity roles that skew the perception of the state, or is it really North America's Brazil?

>>131864992
>it relies on the assumption that they're retarded and have no political foresight

Have you not been paying attention to the Democrats lately?

They are literally retarded, complete fuckups.

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>>131839686
>get the kids who have no real world experience ready to vote for the party who can appeal to them most through their idealised presentation of themselves through the media

yeah, it's gonna be great.

>>131844571
tfw whenever my hometown is mentioned it's never good. I wish someone just did something about the rampant illegal population. At least a 3rd are genuine illegals. I went to school with too many of these cunts.

>>131865234
From what I've seen it's more conservative outside the big cities but the entire state seems to be packed with beaners.

>>131865234
Yes California is a sinking ship.

It's only held up by niche industries, once they move out when taxes get too bad, the whole thing will collapse.

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>>131865297
Naw, man. I'm not like those illiterate white trash rednecks who believe everything they hear. I'm super-informed and really smart! I was in Speech and Debate and I watch The Daily Show! I should totally vote! Hell, I should be president! At least I'd be better than that Mango Mussolini Donald Drumpf!

>>131865234
You have no fucking clue.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-senate-primary-election-20160607-snap-story.html

>>131865152
you really simultaneously hold the view that the democrats have illegal voting down to a science, but also think they're incompetent enough to not get the other minorities out in similar numbers? that's pretty hard to believe since illegals speak the least english and are civically unengaged compared to other minority groups that would vote democrat.

also even conservative think tanks like the heritage foundation and the cato institute seem to think there are around 11 million illegals in this country, your willingness to bet your left nut doesn't lend you much credibility with that in mind

>>131865180
you're an idiot if you think they'd never hold out for a better opportunity to rub it in his face than by immediately complying with their demands. you seriously think the democrats are somehow capable of getting millions of illegals with limited knowledge of english to vote, but can't do some politicking?

>>131865271
^ see above. i just don't understand how you guys have this cognitive dissonance that the democrats are monolithically retarded, but are also capable of so far undetected/unproven mass voter fraud

>>131839686
>Invading people's privacy

Why allow an action that's clearly big government?

So what if Trump got the voter list and then cross checked it with the citizens of california and kicks out all the illegals that voted. Please get rid of the illegals trump. So tired of the mexicans hanging out waiting for work.

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>>131842008
Wow, not even wanting to prove california's innocence. Nice.

>>131839686
>Muh California

Not even hicktown USA aka Tennessee will have over data. Why the fuck should anyone? http://wfpl.org/grimes-to-trumps-federal-election-commission-i-wont-send-kentucky-voter-data/

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>>131865615
>you really simultaneously hold the view that the democrats have illegal voting down to a science, but also think they're incompetent enough to not get the other minorities out in similar numbers?
No, I simultaneously hold the views that democrats have rigging elections down to a science and that they're out-of-touch, incompetent, brainwashed, lazy idiots. I do not hold the view that they lost because they didn't get "other minorities out in similar numbers."


>also even conservative think tanks like the heritage foundation and the cato institute seem to think there are around 11 million illegals in this country
You say that as though it's supposed to carry some weight with me, like I subscribe to these people. Who gives a fuck?

>hurr you're clearly conservative, so maybe a fucking Koch think tank will convi-
No, I'm a fucking pot-smoking riot grrl vegan hippy who lives in California. I just hate democrats. You've got to vary your messaging up for this to work.

>your willingness to bet your left nut doesn't lend you much credibility with that in mind
It lends me more credibility than whatever appeal-to-authority bullshit you buy into.

>are also capable of so far undetected/unproven mass voter fraud
It is neither undetected nor unproven. Quit trying to slip shit that is TRULY unproven past us as though it's fact.

>>131866378
>incompetent, lazy idiots managed to get millions of non-english speaking illegal aliens to vote
okay if you really think so

>who gives a fuck?
i don't know, if someone told me that the most well paid and educated from each side of the aisle agreed on something as objective as the number of illegal aliens in a country, i'd believe them

>hurr you're clearly a conservative
i never said you were a conservative, i was bringing up conservatives to show that this is a non-politically motivated assertion that there are a certain number of people in this country illegally

>appeal-to-authority bullshit
let's not talk logical fallacies when you're making the most baseless of claims that there are more than ~11 million illegals because you 'just know it'

>it is neither undetected nor unproven
so you can show me who noticed it and where they proved it?

>>131866378
also just to be clear, i hate democrats as well, i just hate stupidity more and i'm seeing a lot of it in this thread

>>131845835
If they could get voter ID through, this would totally demolish the democrat vote in a bunch of key states (specifically the urban areas where there is rampant fraud). It would ensure massive republican victories for the next generation.

It won't happen though, republicans are too cucked to actually do something like this

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>>131866709
>incompetent, lazy idiots managed to get millions of non-english speaking illegal aliens to vote
I honestly can't tell if you're incapable of seeing the slew of assumptions that carries with it, or if you're just assuming I don't see them.

>i don't know, if someone told me that the most well paid and educated from each side of the aisle agreed on something as objective as the number of illegal aliens in a country, i'd believe them
First of all, "well-paid" only reduces their credibility. Second of all, I've been in academia long enough to know that the appeal to "education" as a measure of credibility or even of how informed a person is is horseshit. Third of all, I don't buy for one fucking second that establishment conservatives and democrats really disagree on things that matter to begin with, or that they wouldn't agree on what lies to tell. Fourth of all, I don't buy into the idea of the aisle having two sides to begin with. Fifth, corrupt conservatives want to protect ther cheap brown slave labor as much as liberals do. Sixth, I take whatever number the official narrative is giving me and just assume it's way higher than that.

>i never said you were a conservative, i was bringing up conservatives to show that this is a non-politically motivated assertion
Well, it is very much a politically-motivated assertion. It could plausibly not be political in its intent from you, but people don't craft national narratives or statstics to be used in national debates for non-political reasons. You said something about "well-paid?" Huh.

>let's not talk logical fallacies
No, please, let's do exactly that. I'd love it. I'd also like for you to only place quotes in quotation marks and to not put words in my mouth a third time, but hey, strawmen gonna strawmen.

>so you can show me who noticed it and where they proved it?
HURR SPOONFEED ME OR I DECLARE VICTORY

>>131866744
Yeah, whatever.

I honestly can't buy for one fucking second that you're being sincere. Everything about you just screams "SHILL." Whic means either you are one, or you sincerely believe what you're saying. The latter would be fucking scary in that it would illustrate how well all the COINTELPRO is working.

Every time some insidious shit goes down, the folks in charge just deny it and say it's unproven. The narrative is always the same: "oh, but with such a massive conspiracy, surely SOMEONE would have noticed, right?"

But people do notice. Every fucking time. And then they're written of as insane conspiracy theorists and shut down. The assertion is never that nobody can prove it. The assertion is that the arguments are laughed down, the media blacks it out, the footage is never aired, or the documentary is fucking banned.

I can't help but think "shill" when I see that tactic being used. I apologize on the 1% chance you came looking for an actual dialogue, but you're not getting it either way.

>>131845835
>turns out dems lost the popular vote too
i'd cream my pants.

Anyone who was worried about trump winning due to the quirky nature of the electoral college would be relieved. Support would get more loud and open. More confident. Hopefully snowballing and gobling up some fence-sitters in the process. Now there's more legitimacy to the gripes that got him in to the white house. 3,5 years of time to cut down on voter shenanigans.

=a bigger chance to get those 8 years that /pol/ likes to think we'll get

>>131840874
Well When will Obama release his unedited birth certificate?

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>>131839686
>they can't check if there was voter fraud because there was no proof there was no woter fraud other than massive suspicion of voter fraud.
WELL JEEZ.

>>131842656
>tfw you're gonna have to flee california someday and everyone's gonna hate me even though i probably hate spics more than anyone else in america

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>>131842656
I have to believe that Trump knew there would be great #RESISTance to the request, and that he already has a plan to get what he wants and humiliate them in the process.
God, I genuinely would love to see Commiefornia bend their faggot knees.

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>>131842008
>real evidence that legitimizes false claims
so evidence

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>>131845233
Literally anyone who gives a shit about the country would be doing this. Thing is, the Democrats and most Republicans don't.

is trump working on some sort of security in the voting machines? like not being owned by soros for a start

>>131846085
Im not really sure about this? Would it be possible for a single state in the US to get independece? Like a state in the us that is not part of the us?

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>>131847773

> mfw the assblasting every time some retarded libshit crows about our Gun Laws or Healthcare and i bring up our Voter IDs.

>>131870567
absolutley forbidden, any attempt would trigger military intervention. thats what the civil war was about.

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>>131854134
>You need to boycott Google that's where the money is

Trump really needs to push hard on this subject. Use the long arm of federal law to force them to give up those documents, or even physically raid their offices before they can shred or burn anything.

Proving illegal voting in California and then enacting laws which prevent it from happening again could have huge positive consequences for generations to come. If I'm not mistaken from following US politics so far, Cali is basically half the reason why Democrats are able to put their people into the White House. If millions of illegitimate votes are taken away from them you may never see a Blue president ever again for the foreseeable future. Even better yet is if they realize this and try to organize a revolution as a last ditch power grab, then get promptly crushed in a short civil war.

Don't pass up this opportunity to increase the pressure.

>>131841466
Didnt CA democrats get caught with shady voting shenanigans from a recent in-house DNC thing?

>>131870878
That's what i tought. Possible in theory of course.

>>131856818
If there was something in his taxes, the federal government would have leaked them in 2016. The people who control that information would jump at the chance to kneecap a Republican presidential candidate.

>>131871652
There was shady voting schemes by the DNC all over the country if Berniebros are to be believed.

>>131846085
>>131870567
>>131870878
>>131871951
90% of California's natural gas is imported from out of state

60% of California's power is from natural gas plants, so how will they have enough electricity

The vast majority of SoCal water comes from the Colorado River, and the current water rights would be void if California left the Union

All the active duty military bases and equipment are federally owned and even the National Guard is funded by the Feds

What about federal land like Yosemite, where the Dams supply all the drinking water for San Francisco?

Bank deposits are federally guaranteed

Money is federally printed

California really didn't think this one out.

Also, those California Silicon Valley elites didn't think about losing their patent rights the moment they and their companies become non citizens unregistered with anything US government related because they are not US citizens anymore and unrecognized by any other country in the world.

How can a Californian billionaire stay rich when his money is not federally backed anymore and his patent rights are also not acknowledged anymore as well?

>>131841466
>release data
>it shows that there was no voter fraud
>shuts people up
or
>release data
>it shows that there was voter fraud

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>>131839686
>proof would legitimize accusations
no shit sherlock