>Mean texts are crimes now Is this the end of freedom

Encouraging somebody you have a personal connectin with to kill themselves to the point where they actually kill themselves is criminal action

>>131785466
She can tell me to kill myself all day long

>>131785573
It's free speech.

Is this a tranny because I swear it has male facial features and male pattern baldness

>>131785573
Soo you mean the whole 4chan community should be behind bars?

>>131785573
>is criminal action
can you state relevant laws?

>>131785573
kys

>>131785867
tldr?

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>tfw no cute psycho gf to help you kill yourself

>>131785573
>a leaf
Every time

>>131785818
Free speech doesn't protect against targeted harassment like this case.

>>131785826
4chan telling people to kill themselves is like somebody standing above a highway bridge holding a sign that says KILL YOURSELF. Some people might find it offensive or distasteful, but it's not criminal.

>>131785466
Send tributes

>>131785466

>strawman

>bait

>>131785466
How much year she will get?

>>131786014
Kept pushing him day after day and told him everyone would be happier if he just did it.
Also he was about to stop and she encouraged him to stay.

>>131785466
Causing somebody to commit suicide, incitement to suicide, forcible suicide has always been crimes here.
Has nothing to do with freedom of speech, because her words is not whats being punished, her actions are.

>>131785466
Fuck your slide thread, you relativist retard. Go back to sucking your nihilist professor's shriveled cock

>>131785573
>flag

Of course

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>>131785573
Didn't realize she had mind control powers that completely stole that boy's free will.

It's a good thing this super villain was stopped.

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>>131785466
Speech is free.
Incitement is a crime.

/thread

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I garuntee you know fucking nothing about this case other than the verdict and a very sparse description of what occurred..I watched every second of the week and a half trial, took in both the defense and the prosecution. The defense was awful from day one, sucked at cross-examination, looked like desperate inept lawyers when they went for a mistrial 5 days in, had an overall flimsy defense, a SHIT expert witness, and explained Carter's "mental health" pathetically. They grasped at straws.

The prosecution more than proved their case.

Regardless of your own judgment (which is ignorant of the actual case), that IS the American justice system. It was decided by a fucking judge, not 12 retards, but a guy who knows the law in and out. They made the right call. At the end of the day, whether Conrad had tried before, or may have tried again (who's to say?), on that night in question, Conrad Roy would see the next day were it not for Michelle Carter, period. End of story.

>>131785466
It's not the death of freedom of speech. The only thing this case has shown is that /pol/ is a bord full of horny whiteknights.

>>131785826
I'm glad you implied that you have a personal connection with this community. You're never leaving us.

>>131786182
About 30 cm.

>>131786014
At first she said don't do it, but as time went on she seemed annoyed every time he didn't. Bitch is crazy desu, she should go to prison

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>>131785466
>ywn get spat on while fapping and be told to be a hero at the point of spraying your pathetic seed everywhere.

thoughts?

>>131786014
Adult guy wanted to kill himself, kept harrassing an underaged girl about it, she kept telling him to get help, he wouldn't listen, he kept bothering her about it so much that she finally just told him to do it. Then she went to jail about it.

>>131786418
>Conrad Roy would see the next day were it not for Michelle Carter,
there's is no way of knowing this

>>131785466
No, they aren't.
A duty of care for her boyfriend was established when she told him to get back in the car, and she neglected said fury of care by not getting help for him.

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>>131785573

What would a leaf know about freedom of speech?

>>131785951
It's the common law concept of a "duty of care". It isn't written in a law.

>>131785466
don't be stupid. if somebody is in a very emotionally vulnerable state, the way he was, you'd consider suicide in a very real way too.

>/pol/ unironically defends this roastie

she would have made most of you neet betas kill yourselves too, well i guess that's not such a bad thing

>>131786308
Do you know the details of the case? She was constantly sending her boyfriend texts encouraging him to kill himself.

I think free speech is the most important value in western civilization, and I agree that hate speech is protected by free speech laws (and Canada is completely retarded for thinking otherwise) but targeted harassment is violating another persons rights.

You can shake off an anonymous person saying "kill yourself" because they're a faceless being you will never interact with again. When the person you are in an intimate relationship with is encouraging you - not TELLING, but ENCOURAGING you - to kill yourself for months, it can wear your psyche down.

It's emotional abuse and malevolent targeted harassment.

>>131785573
Kill yourself.

>>131785466
I approve of this conviction. People with psychological conditions shouldn't be encouraged to kys. Bitch abused her influence over a vunerable person.

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>>131785466
>go on 4chan
>see CP
>reply to CP with "kill yourself"
>go to jail for telling pedophile to committee suicide
>OP, being a faggot rapes you in jail
this is the future we have made.

>>131786829
>Rules not stated anywhere
>Expect people to abide by rules

British intellectuals everyone

>>131786824
As an immigrant that lived through the cold war era of communist totalitarianism, moved to Canada to study law (long before it became this SJW infested progressive islam-fetishing shithole) and work as a lawyer defending the freedom of speech... I think I know quite a lot about freedom of speech and what it means to a society.

I was fairly active and outspoken during the Bill C-16 discussions. Some of you may have seen me in videos with Jordan Peterson

>>131785818
Naw. What she did specifically in the context of the individual situation was a form of inciting violence.

>>131786946
She's a horrible human being but she didn't violate the NAP, shouldn't be up to the state to punish her. That's the libertarian view, I think.

>>131786604
Actually, yes, very easily I know that...

There's certainly no way of knowing Conrad Roy would have killed himself any day in the future on his own volition. There are plently of convictions of homicide and manslaughter where the defedent wasn't present when the victim died. Not just encouraging suicide, but persistently demanding it day after day, hour after hour from morning to night, demanding that a person who loves her to get BACK into the truck, showing him the generator...

MOST IMPORTANTLY: SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WHILE HE DIED, DID NOT TELL THE POLICE, PRETENDED NOT TO KNOW OF CONRAD'S WHEREABOUTS TO HIS PARENTS, AND LOOKED TO "FRIENDS" FOR SYMPATHY.

She allowed him to die, she might as well have been there and left the scene. She was complicit in his death. All she had to do was call 911 and he'd be alive.

>>131785466
>telling a guy with mental illness to kill himself multiple times
>once he was in the car he said he was scared
>she told him to go back in
>she knew he was dying
>a simple 911 call could've saved him.
>she admitted it was her fault to her friends.

>>131785466
She's kinda hot

>>131785867
That bitch need to be behind bars. Fucking crazy person

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>>131785466
The people v. Charlie Manson

The recent verdict is congruent with this historic case.

In other news, Helter Skelter is still the goal of the man behind the curtain.

>>131787296
>Actually, yes, very easily I know that...
very easy for you to know alternate timelines???

>>131786589
this true? others are saying shes crazy.

>>131785466
Svengali effect. Charles Manson didn't kill anyone himself, he just talked people into doing it for him. Still went to jail. Mafia godfathers just tell people to commit crimes , they still go to jail.
Sorry you have trouble grasping this with your sub 100 IQ.Sage.

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>>131785466
Even when they deserve it, I don't really like seeing girls sad.

>>131786963
He wanted to kill himself anyway. Thats why he never told her to stop texting him that. She was just repeating to him what he had been saying to her for months, that he should kill himself. Not that it really matters why, you shouldn't be put in jail for someone else choosing to commit suicide.

>>131786963
Which rights of his did she violate?

>>131787539
Wrong, he chose to stop the process and she told him to get back in his car to finish it

>>131787450
Beta cucks who see their old female bully in her.

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> be British
> be opposed to immigration
> make tweet
> go to jail

> be American
> text "kys"
> go to jail

> Be Canadian
> call someone sir
> go to jail

As a memespouting NEET I'm still better than her. Ha get fucked, bitch.

>>131787612
His basic right to life

Free speech does not protect speech that incites violence or harm

>>131787505
It shouldn't be illegal to kill oneself, thought.

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>>131786829
>It's the common law concept

British “common laws” are retarded. I have no idea why America tolerates them. They are blatantly unconstitutional. America should have thrown all of them in the garbage in 1776. Who cares what some inbred king of another country said a thousand years ago? The Founding Fathers fought and won an entire war to get away from that bullshit. What’s next? Primae noctis?

>"duty of care". It isn't written in a law.

Americans are citizens. Not British subjects to be ordered around by pedophile nobles. Shove your so called "duty of care" up your ass.

>>131787645
she exercised no control and had no legal duty to him

under what theory of law is she guilty for his death?

>>131787425
I know that by all factual information she knew he was killing himself, heard him dying, and let him die.

If you're sitting next to a heroin addict who is OD'ing and want him to die, do you think you shouldn't she some penalty for just staring at him, and then walk away, not notifying a hospital or police? It's called duty to rescue, but in Carter's case it's much more egregious considering how badly she wanted him dead and her motive was far more premeditated and self-centered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

>>131787645
>told him to kill himself
>it's almost like she shot him herself

>>131787645
He chose both. Unless she has some kind of body controlling power.

>>131786829
>>131787805
you're both fucking retarded, common law just fills in the gaps here

but there is no common law duty of care, where is she getting that from bong?

>>131787527
Because you're a faggot cu.ck

>>131787772
She didn't kill him, he chose to kill himself, she didn't take away his right to live

>>131787777
Then kill yourself Sven

Slowly but surely. Kill yourself if you're reading this.

>>131788007
You looking to get arrested?

>>131787869
>>131787961

It's not like he was able to make that decision, to not kill himself. You faggots will next say that mental illness doesn't exist. What psycho who tells a mentally ill person day after day to kill himself deserves to be a part of society?

>>131787450
Read the fucking texts and form your own opinion instead of asking people to do it for you. Jesus Christ.

>>131787857
that has nothing to do with what you said, so i guess you've rescinded that ridiculous claim.

>>131788005
He was under duress and incapable of making decisions for himself. She urged him to go back inside and kill himself instead

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>>131785573
A

>>131785466
Dumb fuck doing the same useless post over and over. Days after days.
Is this the end of /pol/ ?

>>131788251
>he was under duress
>he was under threat of harm from himself
>he was under threat of harm from himself, therefore somebody else is subject to actions taken under their duress

In some non anglo countries it would be labelled as failure to assist a person in danger, which can be brought to criminal court.

>>131788202
Appeal to emotion.

She found herself having influence over a vunerable, impressionable person. She chose to push him over the edge. That is an irresponsible abuse.
This is easy /pol/ come on.

>>131787527
And thus many a true crime hath been evaded.

>>131788411
FUCKING

>>131788514
we've almost entirely rejected that concept altogether here

unless you are the cause for the danger, or you have an affirmative legal duty, there is no such failure

>>131788202
How was he mentally ill?

>>131785573

I'm revving up the blower, leaf

>>131785466
Exactly. Convicting her was an injustice. Just like Charles Manson. He never killed anyone either.

Also, do you know how loud it would be and for how long he would need the generator IN the truck while waiting to die? He may as well been annoyed to death. At that point just get a gun or knife Jesus.

>>131788218
That's exactly what I said, not what you implied there's a difference. Every text says he's scared, that he doesn't want to do it. He was done when he got out of the car, but even if that's not good enough, someone was there hearing him die from the first second he attempted to commit suicide, she had a million ways to not only persuade him not to, but could have gotten someone there immediately. Police were in a minute's distance from the K Mart parking lot where he was located, that wasn't Carter's plan. No alternate timeline here, it's not even speculation, it's not like he shot himself on a second's notice, he had to breathe in those fumes for about 10-15 minutes at least, that's 10-15 minutes, plus Conrad getting out convicing him to go back in, and carter did not call 911.

>>131785818
Free speech isn't a get out jail card for when other crimes are committed though, dumb ass.

Like if I told someone to murder my mother, I couldn't go "Lol, free speech!", because the fact is that I'm still an accomplice to murder at the very least.

>>131786418
>The defense would have become a decade long supreme court case involving a middle income family and an ACLU too cucked to see the value in making a defence on the basis of the first amendment.
>Parents couldn't afford the cost. Stuck with low rent cucked lawyer who secretly wishes the girl would just take the first deal she got.
>Now FoS can be completely ignored if the words in question are directly linked to a suicide WITH PRECEDENT. That puts every hero poster and anime avi in direct danger of being prosecuted over a "fucking kys"

>>131786604
This is all that needs to be said. Your life DOES NOT hinge on the words of me or anybody else. I don't care how pathetic you are, if you decide to pull the trigger on yourself then THAT'S ON YOU!

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>>131787983
>common law just fills in the gaps here

You are a totalitarian statist. In America, freedom is suppose to fill in the "gaps". Not foreign laws made up by an inbred king a thousand years ago. Red states are rightly outlawing Sharia law. But we should be outlawing all foreign laws, British common laws included.

>but there is no common law duty of care, where is she getting that from bong?

From England of course. What the fuck did you think would happen? When you spit on the Constitution and allow foreign laws in, that is exactly what you get. British common law, primae noctis, sharia law, talmud law. You asked for this.

>>131788575
If she had influence over him, she would have gotten him not to want to kill himself, since thats what she was telling him originally, not to kill himself. If anything he's the one who had influence over her, because he eventually convinced her to see his point of view, that he should die.

>>131788759
He was a gay cunt.

>>131785867
She did nothing wrong.

>>131785466
New queen of /pol/

Driven cucks to suicide is no crime!

>>131785573
Not in the state of Massachusetts

>>131789009
Wow it's almost like you were there and know what they were both thinking! Crazy

>>131787857
>heroin addict who is OD'ing and want him to die, do you think you shouldn't she some penalty for just staring at him, and then walk away

Yes. Was that suppose to be a hard question? It wasn't.

>>131788251
>Any and every excuse in the world to excuse someone of responsibility for their own actions.

>>131789039
She left a paper trail.

>>131788899
wait i was confused, you actually did rescind the point, i thought you were retarded and said "yes, very easily i know that he would have survived if not for the texts" which is obviously nonsensical. my bad.

>>131789203
What are you trying to say.

>>131785466
What if you and your friends make fun of each other like mine. The first text I've sent to my friends was
>"please kill yourselves you outrageous nigger."
I'm going to jail

>>131788938
Just take away the free speech fedora shit for a second because it's essentially irrelevant in this case. She did not call the cops when she heard a guy attempt a very prolonged method of suicide, she was talking to him as he was enduring it, knew he was doing it, allowed him to do it, and did not attempt in any way to get help. She had around a half hour to an hour to do something, ANYTHING. Instead she played dumb to parents and authorities and it took over a day to find him, when she knew all along where Conrad was. That's what you actually need to focus on. She impeded on the investigation, misled concerned parties, and was absolutely culpable.

One day a man is going to stand trial for rape because he negged a chick and they're going to look at this court case and say, "see? your actions aren't your own if someone manipulated you!!"

>>131789383
That this case has already been decided by a real judge and he decided that she convinced him to kill himself.

>>131785466
she's a girl so idc
all women deserve what happens to them
they all suck

>>131789009
Certainly it is easier to tell someone to kill themselves rather than assist them to find help they need. She made a mistake. People make mistakes sure, but now someone is dead. She has a degree of responsibility for that.

>>131785466
CUNT needs to be nigger gang raped in a southern jail then hung ..

>>131789614
No she didn't make any mistake, she did nothing illegal. Thats why the verdict is an outrage. Hopefully it gets appealed and she gets off scott free. Also she has no responsibility for him choosing to kill himself.

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>>131788411
Memeball's belong on my thread.
>>>131787442

>>131787246
Are you that brown guy that got agitated when trans shits were attacking Jordan, and he had to calm you down?

>>131785466
Thankfully she is out of the dating scene for 20 years so she won't pass that monstrous forehead to the future generations.

>>131787272
Are you implying words can't violate the NAP?
Neighbor emitting noise pollution? Invade his home and enslave his family for violating the NAP.

>>131789420
The thing here is that the boy was depressed, she knew it, she was very influential in his life and she kept pushing him to actually do it.

>>131786308
Lol

This

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>>131785818
BUT NOT IN MASSACHUSETTS

>>131789420
There has to be intent, and the prosecution has to prove intent.

People reacting like "well, jokingly saying to kill yourself is a crime now!" are way over reacting. The issue is in that she practically begged him to kill himself. It's very obvious that it wasn't just a one off gag, or some in joke that they had. She encouraged him to kill himself, like REALLY encouraged him. Gave him tips on how to do it and everything.

It has nothing to do with jokingly saying 'kill yourself", or freedom of speech

>>131789546
if you have a giant backlog of texts by the victim that encoruage the commitment of a crime, yeah maybe...

>>131789479
I don't know about all that but if she did impede the investigation and didn't tell anyone where his dead body was, I can see how that could be a crime, but that's not what she was found guilty of.

>>131789947
top bants m8, it's like a fucking icebreaker.

>>131788909
Thread

>>131789270
There shouldn't be a problem with that since she did nothing wrong.

"I didn't just break up with him because he probably would have killed himself."

>>131789877
She was in a position of power and she abused it. She had influence over the guy.
She has responsibilty for his demise.

>>131789479
SHE HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP THE GUY YOU IDIOT

JUST LIKE YOU CANT SUE THE POLICE IF THEY DONT SAVE YOU IN TIME

IN THE USA

NO ONE HAS TO HELP YOU YOU FUCK!!!

Poor whitegurl. Going to prison while we keep having fun under the sun. It's a good thing she won't be bringing more retarded whitebois to this country. Feels good mang.

>>131789804
That nigger that can't date a white chick

>>131790326
>position of power
>some random underaged girl you don't live with or anything special about her that gives her a position of power over you

No.

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>>131787246
>As an immigrant that lived through the cold war era of communist totalitarianism

Go back to your shit hole country. Immigrant that spreads the totalitarianism that you are escaping from. You are such a fucking cliche.

>work as a lawyer

I wish I had the chance to give you what you deserve.

>>131789479
I somehow doubt this is the first time he's "come up to the edge" of killing himself and decided at the last moment in a slew of tears "NO, I CAN'T DO IT!"

As I understand it, the girl told him to seek medical attention and he refused to do so consistently. Makes me think the kid either was SEVERELY mentally ill (though someone would look at that and see it as attention seeking behavior after a while ie. boy who cries wolf)

Now, how would she KNOW that he's in his car trying to kill himself considering all that? Did she have a video feed? Can she see the invisible fumes in the car from miles away? For all she knew this was another STUNT by some beta to get her attention AGAIN!

Now tell me, how would YOU go about navigating this very difficult social situation? Can you teach it in a class? Or are we going to leave this up to complicated case law and legal crap on a case by case basis.

If this case is found to be incitement then that opens up a whole other can of worms considering state jurisdictions are usually the ones to determine the legality of suicide.

If it involves words that come from a persons mouth or text on a page it is a "Fedora wearing free speech issue." I don't care how dangerous or scary the speech may be, the final decision to take the kids life was HIS OWN.

On top of that, why did the boy kill himself? Nobody is even considering the other factors which could have led to this each equally as responsible for his suicide. I somehow doubt his home life was really as good as it came across in the couple of texts we saw about it.

>>131785466
You should kill yourself.

>>131785466
>>Mean texts are crimes now

But torture is ok.

What a world.

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>>131790326
>She was in a position of power and she abused it

A child with a Twitter account is now a "position of power". Wow. How retarded of you.

>>131785466
Trump should pardon her!

>>131785466
why does anyone care about this stupid shit
why is it on /pol every few hours? what's the big fucking deal.

>>131785466

No, this shit will never fly.

This is political activism from the bench and appellate court will reverse that conviction faster than you can say "first amendment protection".

You morons think she like just said kys and went to jail. She groomed him for months.
Holy shit you guys are retarded.

>>131790596
>>131790907
In a moral western culture we do not exploit or manipulate our fellows weakenesses because we can.

>>131785466
This is retarded, She did nothing wrong

https://vimeo.com/222993301

>>131791114
The first amendment has limits. A mafia boss who orders his people to kill people can't hide behind it, saying that he technically didn't do any murdering himself.

>>131790133
>There has to be intent, and the prosecution has to prove intent.

Wrong. The prosecution doesn't have to prove anything. All she needs to do is drag the case out as long as possible so that you run out of money for a good lawyer. Then you are done. Welcome to the jewdicial system.

>>131785466
Glad this roastie whore is behind bars. One less roastie in the wild.
Fuck her. Literally.

>Repeatedly instruct a mentally ill guy to kill himself
>muh free speech

You people are a parody of yourselves. Assisted suicide is illegal so even if we play nihilistic internet sociopath like so many of you faggots she's still objectively guilty of conspiracy. If she had planned a bank robbery and convinced someone else to carry it out you wouldn't be crying about free speech.

>>131789259
So she is not responsible for her own actions?

The problem with suicide trials is that the victim can't be held accountable because they are dead.

>>131790753
>Now, how would she KNOW that he's in his car trying to kill himself considering all that? Did she have a video feed? Can she see the invisible fumes in the car from miles away? For all she knew this was another STUNT by some beta to get her attention AGAIN!

Incredibly flawed reasoning here, simply because there's nothing to prevent me from suggesting the opposite.

How would she know he's taking it again? She making an assumption based on no evidence, an assumption that may cost a man his life, and it did. It's neglectful at the very least, and murder at the worst.

What you do with mentally sick people like that is you have to distance yourself away from them. It sounds harsh, but if they're not willing to get help there's nothing left you can really do, plus listening to their negativity can impact your own mental health.

She shouldn't have been giving him any advice to begin with. That itself is not a crime of course, but telling someone to kill themselves (in a serious manner) is, and she did. It doesn't matter if he was a depressed loser, because fact is, she still did it and it's still a crime.

>>131790736
>speaking out against a bill that forces compelled speech makes you a totalitarian
Okay bucko, whatever you say

>>131785466
Like Facebook posts warning people about the dangers of Islam, will win you a oneway ticket to jail in certain EU country's. What basically comes down to silencing political adversary's because Islam cannot really be counted as a religion, because it has more similarities with political ideology? Yes, Anon this is the beginning. As soon as the judges start referring to this specific case and the boundary's are getting stretched little by little. Till you cannot, tell anybody, to neck themselves.

>>131791127
>manipulate

How did she manipulate him, he always wanted to die. All she did was support his own decision.

>>131791671
She should have kept her mouth shut then shouldn't she?

>>131791399
yes i would, one absolute of the spectrum protects and ensures the other.

Nobody said it was a crime faggot.

>>131791399
Stop saying he was mentally ill. He wasn't. I have a cousin who is a literal retard, can barely speak, sometimes he's about to shit himself and he starts to stink and we have to tell him to go to the bathroom. Thats a mentally ill person who could easily be made to do anything. The guy in this case was completely normal.

>>131785466
this is the real world nigger, actions have consequences. fuck michelle, glad she will rot in jail

>>131791782
No because she had freedom of speech.

Justice was done.

>>131789877
If someone tells you that they're suicidal and you hand them a loaded gun, you will go to jail. She earned it.

>>131790342
Pretty much everything she said for months was covered under free speech.
The part that got her was when she told him to get back in the truck and kill himself. He was not in a sound mental state, it's like telling an IQ40 retard to jump off a cliff. Everything before that was totally legal, although it did build a motive.

>>131791930
>Wanting to kill yourself is normal
>Failing to acknowledge that there are different severity of illnesses
>confusing a mental illness with mental disability

What a fucking idiot you are.

>>131792100
I don't know about that, but she didn't do that either. All she did was send texts.

>>131791930
>Stop saying he was mentally ill. He wasn't.

You have a biological imperative to survive and replicate, if you self terminate you are by definition mentally ill. You also described neurological deformity when this issue is almost certainly psychological.

>>131791671
>All she did was support his own decision.
Aiding suicide is a crime, you retard. This isn't a case of a dignified death either. He was physically healthy.

This topic is always hilarious. Here we have all these permavirgins defending this whore because they have never been in a relationship.

>>131791592

Stop lying using green text.

>>131791576
Yes, but I still have not heard specifically WHAT crime it is. Neglecting to call the police on a crime is not a crime in the United States so even if you argued the opposite and suggested that she ABSOLUTELY knew he was killing himself in the United States it would not be a crime for her not to call the cops.

That would be considering that suicide was considered a crime in the state where he killed himself and that was what he was being tried for. Other than that, all she did was send the guy some nasty words.

This case will get to the supreme court and they will acquit.

Convicting her violates her 1st amendment rights.

>>131792266
>an american in support of bill c-16

Never thought I'd see the day

>>131785818
>"I'm gonna kill you and your family! And I really mean it! I'm not kidding, I'm going to kill them brutally!"

You have the right to say that, but you will also be taken seriously by everyone (including law enforcement who will investigate how serious you were)

>>131785466

She's an evil warlock and a sorceress. Clearly she used her magic to befuddle the mind of a poor young man, she forced him to kill himself and she fed off his life essences. Witches like this need to be burned in the name of Christ, they are a plague on this world.

>>131792237
Telling someone to kill themselves is not aiding suicide. She didn't provide any actual assistance.

>>131792198
You're the idiot, saying anyone who does anything bad is "mentally ill" and not responsible for their own actions. Unless the person has brain problems that would make it easy to get them to do whatever you want, then they're responsible for their own actions same as me.

>>131785466
>Mean texts are crimes now

>not calling 911 when someone is committing suicide is
>coaching and advocating someone kill themselves is

>>131792100
Yes but you don't get added years for exclaiming afterward "Welp, hope that suicide goes well for ya!"

>>131792305
1st amendment does not protect against inciting violence.

"I don't like niggers" is protected free speech
"Let's go down to the city and kill all the niggers" is not protected speech

>>131788251
That's on him.

If she gave him a gun or poison or something it would be different.

>>131792214
Being sad is not the type of "mental illness" anyone should care about and does not take away someone's personal responsibility.

>>131792453
>"Let's go down to the city and kill all the niggers" is not protected speech

Yes it is.

>bf texts her saying he's getting out of car that was running in garage
>roastie tells him to get back in
>he does and dies
>gets arrested
Seems right

>>131792453
Actually it is you stupid leaf.

>>131792453
Your not even an American. You don't know what freedom is.

>>131792579
>>131792667
No, it isn't. It is inciting violence. Read a book.

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>>131792214
If you self terminate you aren't anything because you're dead.

I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but being a whiny cunt isn't a mental disorder and unless you're a professional your average person would not know the difference between a suicidal mentally ill person and an attention seeking faggot... ESPECIALLY not with a website like Tumblr making it all the more difficult.

>>131792237
She didn't really aide him, and she wasn't found guilty of that either.

>>131792336

You can't stop lying, can you? Stop bringing up your red herring. I don't give a shit about your claims. I don't even care if you are lying about that or not. That's completely irrelevant.

You want to throw people in prison for "cyber bullying". That's what this thread is about. You are a totalitarian that hates freedom of speech. Period.

>>131787296
>MOST IMPORTANTLY: SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WHILE HE DIED, DID NOT TELL THE POLICE, PRETENDED NOT TO KNOW OF CONRAD'S WHEREABOUTS TO HIS PARENTS, AND LOOKED TO "FRIENDS" FOR SYMPATHY.

I too followed this case and this bitch deserves bad things to happen to her. The big question is, does this get to the SCOTUS? If so, what happens?

>>131792781
Nice ad hominem attack, maybe come back next time with an actual argument instead of this childish nonsense

>>131792511
>That's on him.
Not really, people go through hard mental times, depression etc. Sure he was having a moment of weakness, but she took advantage of that to push this idea of him killing himself as a solution. If you read the transcripts, his thoughts were obviously in a dark place but it is clear that he was having a lot of second-thoughts and it was she who egged him on and encouraged him, even going so far as to SHAME him for being cowardly, not a man, not brave etc. This kind of shaming, especially from a romantic partner, (the object of attraction) can overwhelm the sensibilities of a man at that age. Did he still kill himself? Yes. But he was being coached and led along the entire way, encouraged, bullied, and taken advantage of.

>>131792237
No you dumb fucker. Threatening to break the law is the only speech not allowed. Telling someone they should break a law is not. You don't let crazy fucking people use suicide as a tool.

>>131792700
You first

>Let's go down to the city and kill all the niggers

Does not meet the brandenburg test so it is protected speech

We're not talking about your leaf "freedom of speech"

>>131785713
This

>>131792781
>red herring
Thats called a strawman around here and he didn't use one.

>>131785466
>Mean texts are crimes now

I'll take "Huge Exaggerations " for $2000 Alec.

>>131792700
No it isn't. The threat is still very vague and non-specific.

If you said "Lets go down to this little church down in Charlestown and shoot this dumb nigger Tyrone who fucked my sister and got her pregnant," that would be incitement.

>>131785867
I see nothing wrong here. I have met a few people who hurt or threatened to kill themselves.
Merely for putting pressure and manipulative force on other people merely for the goal of attention seeking or dodging responsibilities. She was probably getting sick of his endless whining and procrastination. I probably also would have said, after this many attempt of trying him to seek help, go kill yourself and do not bother me with it anymore. These kind of people suck the living energy out off you.

>'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'

>/pol/ acting obtuse and contrarian over a simple case
What a surprise. If she was found not guilty you retards would be making threads about how she was a manipulative whore who deserves to be behind bars.

>>131792579
>>131792667
>>131792681

Stop making Americans look bad, know your own rights. #1 does not extent to making libelous claims or slander, inciting violence or harm, and many other things. Speech is restricted. You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, you can't prank-call 911, and you can't incite others to violence.

>>131792406
>You're the idiot, saying anyone who does anything bad is "mentally ill" and not responsible for their own actions
Except I literally never said that, retard. I was merely pointing out that you quite obviously have no idea what a mental illness is, which you don't.

>Unless the person has brain problems that would make it easy to get them to do whatever you want, then they're responsible for their own actions same as me
Mental health issues can and do cause emotional imbalances in the brain. It's not brain damage or anything like that, but mental health problems can and do change the way you're brain function.

Hell, a bad enough mental break down can turn you into a literal retard.

>>131792954
>It's not his fault because he was sad at the time

Jesus christ this level of lack of personal responsibility is unbelievable.

>>131793040
How does it fail?
It both specifies intent to perform an illegal act and is likely to lead to such action.

>>131793347
>equating clinical depression with sadness

>>131792919
>ad hominem

You don't even know what that term means. Pathetic. Especially when you are the one that keeps bringing up your personal story that nobody cares about.

>childish nonsense

Childish nonsense is throwing innocent people in prison for "cyber bullying" on Twitter.

>>131793270
If she was found not guilty there wouldn't be any threads because it wouldn't be news. The news is the injustice of her being found guilty, when she's obviously innocent.

>>131793290
>Let's go down to the city and kill all the niggers

Does not meet the test for inciting violence. Prove me wrong.

Good point, OP.
Let's encourage more people to act like this outstanding citizen.

>>131793457
>If I call sadness "clinical depression", then it's not anyone's fault what they do while they're "clinically depressed"

>>131785466
Not really mean texts though. The bitch was actually helping the kid plan and execute his suicide.

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>>131785466
Like she would have cared if the tables were turned. Like anyone would cared if tables were turned for that matter.

And last time I check constant/prolonged harrasement wasn't protected by free speech.

>>131793347

To further clarify, yes it is his "fault", which I actually said if you even bothered to read the whole thing, HE did kill himself. But the girlfriend is clearly an accessory to murder.

If I say "kys faggot" and you later actually do kill yourself, that is different. I didn't constantly encourage, coax, and harass you until you took your own life.

I get that it can be hard to understand the legal gray area in matters like this, we can't all go to law school.

>>131793529
Man if you're so weak willed that someone saying "kys" will actually convince you to do so, then you deserve to die. How are you even on 4chan if you can't take the heat?

>>131785573
No people who off themselves over coccadoody words is Darwinism in action. The ones who off themselves because someone tells them to are at fault, and are most likely left leaning Antifa types.

>>131793133
This is not what happened here.
It wasn't a "yeah yeah go kill yourself" as in "you're not gonna do it anyway" or "fuck off".
She kept egging him on - even pestering him with messages over days when he didn't even respond - and he clearly tried to get out of it.
He just wanted someone to tell him to cut that shit out which is pathetic and needy but still no excuse to basically force him to do something he clearly doesn't want to do.

>>131785466
No, but encouraging someone to commit suicide until they do it on text is not much different than if she was there and egging him on

>>131785818
Not all speech is protected speech.

You cannot yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, causing a panic, and call it protected speech. You cannot communicate classified information to unauthorized people and call it protected speech. You cannot defame or slander somebody and call it protected speech. You cannot incite imminent violence or credible threats of harm and call it protected speech.

This woman would fall under the latter category, although I agree it is somewhat of a stretch from a free speech perspective, but the arguments made against her are solid in terms of culpability for manslaughter.

>>131793333
Then call it what it is, he was sad at the time. Don't call it a "mental illness", that gives the impression he had some kind of real brain problems that could actually absolve him of responsibility, but he didn't have that.

>>131793072

Wrong. That anon keeps bringing up his personal claims that has absolutely nothing to do with the case. That is a blatant red herring.

Anon lying using green text. That is a blatant straw man. Anon wanting to throw people in prison for "cyber bullying". That is totalitarianism.

you are all a bunch of fucking faggots

if it had been a guy you wouldnt even discuss this shit and lock him up

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I think we can all agree on freedom of speech being an inviolable right.

>>131793913
Do you got the transcript of the whole hearing because i am missing some information (its /pol i know). But i am still worried about the ramification of this hearing as a whole i.e. somebody was convicted on the merit of sending text messages.

>>131792100
You are the reason why argument by analogy is mocked.

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>>131793832
>suicide is murder

>>131793832
Actually not hard to understand. It's all about context. If I say kill yourself once, it's easy to write that off as a joke. It'd be impossible to prove intent.

That's not what happened here though. She kept encouraging him, gave him tips, told him to get back in the car even.

People saying no crime was committed have a severe lack of knowledge of the law. Even if/ when she does appeal, she will lose, because what she did is so easy to prove, and the callous nature of it stands out for itself. That's the way the court would see it in any event.

>>131793503
>Does not meet the test for inciting violence. Prove me wrong.

OK. Here goes.

>Let's go down to the city and kill some niggers

>kill some niggers
Intent

>Let's go
Imminence

Likelihood to be determined by the situation in which the phrase is uttered, but if spoken to an angry crowd, this easily constitutes incitement under the precedent established in Brandenburg v Ohio. Brandenburg isn't even a good case to cite because the threat in this phrase (unlike Brandenburg's) is quite straightforward.

>>131791272
Read the case, it's kind of an insight into a crazy teenage girl mind. A desperate individual in search of validation and sympathy
>after talking to Roy about the water pump and killing himself, contacts faded friends and Roy's mother to reconnect - probing.
>asking him to tweet about her before his suicide and demanding credit for a memorial baseball tournament she organized afterward

>>131793832
When I think of harassment, I think of someone constantly calling you or bothering you, after you've told them to stop or clearly want them to stop. He didn't want her to stop because he also wanted to commit suicide, she was just telling him what he himself had been telling her, that he should commit suicide. There was no harassment.

>>131794048
>You cannot yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, causing a panic, and call it protected speech

Wrong. You have every right to shout “fire” in a crowded theater, when the theater is on fire. The same way you have every right to talk about suicide if someone asks you to.

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>>131785573
It is fucking not. No one is liable for the stupidity of the targets of their SPEECH.

>Muh emotional connection
It is not force, it is speech.

>Muh she was so dogged about it
It is not force, it is speech.

>Muh it was perpetrated by an evil, ice hearted bitch
It was not force, it is speech.

A small element of /pol/ has gone full SJW on this issue. Unsurprising the country with blasphemy laws agrees with SJW interpretation.

>>131785466
She's a woman. She deserves everything she get

>>131794255
No, I don't have it.
I think the most incriminating messages are the ones from July 4-12.
All the other ones you could probably try to explain in with her getting sick of his fishing for emotional validation and attention.
But in this timeframe she is pretty much harrassing him to kill himself unprovoked.

>>131794075
>Don't call it a "mental illness", that gives the impression he had some kind of real brain problems that could actually absolve him of responsibility, but he didn't have that.

But he did. Wanting to kill yourself is a symptom of mental illness.

I'm not saying I can diagnose what he had, but it's evident he was sick. That's not to take all blame off him either though. He is responsible for his own actions, but she encouraged it all the quicker.

She deserved to go down for it.

>>131786604
>>Conrad Roy would see the next day were it not for Michelle Carter
Well considering he got out of the truck and tried to abort the suicide and she convinced his emotionally crippled ass to do it, yes, he would have.

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>>131785466
The only thing that's wrong with this situation is that the guy was a big enough faggot to let a woman bully him in to committing suicide.

like how fucking weak do you have to be?

>>131794685
Just because someone does something you think is bad does make them "sick" or "mentally ill", and make them any less responsible for their actions than anyone else.

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>>131785573
while I agree in theory my point of view demands that you clarify a personal connection as a legal rammifaction of that wiggle word is too retarded to put into print.

>>131786205
So was she guilty the first time? Was she more guilty the third time? Do tell.

>>131794312
>expects an ancap to have a nuanced perspective on anything

Yes. Suicide can absolutely be murder legally speaking. Particularly if there is ANY element of distress, coercion, or persuasion involved. If I just say "kys faggot", that is one thing, but if I persuade you, if I force you etc, I am an accessory to murder.

>holds gun to your head and tells you to take cyanide
murder
>will kill your family if you don't jump off this building
murder
>Please kill yourself darling, it would be great if you killed yourself, oh have you killed yourself yet? You're a pussy if you don't kill yourself
coercion and potentially accessory to manslaughter

What the girlfriend did is enough to count as coercion under our current legal definition. It's not to say that she "murdered" him necessarily, but coercion was clearly a factor, the trial was to decide how "big" of a factor it was and what the punishment for that should be.

>>131794638
Got it after skimming though cnn, msnbc and other outlets.

https://media.bizarrepedia.com/images/Michelle-Carter-and-Conrad-Roy-of-Mattapoisett.pdf

>>131795073
>Just because someone does something you think is bad does make them "sick" or "mentally ill", and make them any less responsible for their actions than anyone else.

Once again, I literally said none of that. Hell, I didn't even imply it.

>>131785466
I think it's complete bullshit that she got so much fucking time for it,
but at the same time, she was proactive in convincing him to commit. It's one thing if he wants to do it and she encourages him, it's another if she's convincing him after he's tried to back out.

>>131786418
This is the Lawyer,

http://ryanfaenzacataldo.com/attorneys/joseph-p-cataldo/

>>131795228
Yes you did you said
>That's not to take all blame off him either though.
So you're trying to take SOME of the blame off him. Because of you perceiving he had some kind of mental illness. He holds all the blame and all the responsibility.

>>131786418
>on that night in question, Conrad Roy would see the next day were it not for Michelle Carter

This.

I wish I had a gf to convince me to kms

>>131787380
Not at all. Nothing alike.

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>>131785466

i feel like shit now.

How does mean texts are enough to lock up someone but selling tonnes of uranium weapons grade and missile technology is not?

Epstein is out and keeps his pedophile ring running up and yet this judge does what he believes is right, but people with connection or money can be judged only directly proven to be guilty with DNA, videos, testimonies of accused statement.

If Hillary was the one who sent those texts do you imagine her being lock up?

>US justice system sucks

>>131788633
LEAF

>>131793133
Lol because if someone annoys you, instead of blocking their number or tell them to go away you just encourage them to kill themselves? Because that's much easier than ignoring them?

>>131788211
i don't care enough to have an opinion fortunately

>>131795247

how's that a crime when killing yourself isn't even a crime?

>>131785466

what made Michelle Carter’s behavior a crime, a judge concluded:
>Just as her friend Conrad Roy III stepped out of the truck he had filled with lethal fumes, Ms. Carter told him over the phone to get back in the cab and then listened to him die without trying to help him.

>>131795457
>So you're trying to take SOME of the blame off him
In this case, I absolutely am taking some of the blame off him, yes. At some points during his suicide he talked about doubts in going through with it. Hell, he even got out if the car, and she told him to get back in. How is that not her being at least partially responsible? Its not at all unreasonable to think that he may have stayed out of the car if she didn't encourage him, and hence survive.

You can't make anyone do anything illegal, but if you do talk someone into it, you are partially responsible. Always. Mental illness or not.

>>131785466
She didn't just text someone. She repeatedly inspired a mentally damaged young man to kill himself, knowing that he is likely doing it. She also had huge influence on him, which means she abused her responsibility.

On the other hand, on a spiritual level, suicide can be something really deep and inspiring at some point of time and I think we are a bit too serious about suicide in our culture.
However she has no qualification to actually recognize when a person has the "right" motive for suicide. Neither do I but I believe these situations exist.

>>131796025
>In this case, I absolutely am taking some of the blame off him, yes

Nope, unless she had control of his body somehow, then he is fully to blame for everything for he chose to do.

>talk someone into suicide
>go to jail

Not seeing the problem here.

>>131796237
>on a spiritual level, suicide can be something really deep and inspiring
Wrong. Suicide is a huge setback, being on the Earth is a huge chance for us, and throwing that away solves nothing. Suicide does not stop the pain you feel in this life, all suffering we feel is just a ripple on a pond, we feel the ripples in this life but the pain comes from a deeper place. The only way to be free of it is to experience it fully, or to repent sincerely. Running away from judgement only makes things worse in the long run.

>>131796419
So if I asked a hitman to kill my girlfriend I could use that argument too?

>Yes your honor. I did ask him to kill her, but I don't control the guy! He has his own free will, he didn't have to do it!

It'd be laughed out of court.

Coercion is a thing, and you're very stupid.

>>131792406
She was an accomplice to him in his crime of suicide

You cuck faggots just want a reason to white knight some girl that would cuck you and tell you to kill yourselves if you even got the chance

Lmao

>>131785466
>>131785466
Fuck man, shut up already.

>>131796419

And you give me a stock tip that makes me a millionaire, I bet you would be equally understanding when I say that you had nothing to do with THAT decision I made because of your input.

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>>131796019
>a judge concluded

That's another fucking problem. Why the fuck wasn't there a jury? As if so called "cyber bullying" wasn't bad enough. Now a (((judge))) just invented cyber murder out of thin air.

This kangaroo court is just part of a coordinated effort to outlaw freedom of speech on the internet. 4chan is next. Mark my words.

>>131786220

>Has nothing to do with freedom of speech, because her words is not whats being punished, her actions are.

No, there were no actions, just words on her part.

>>131785466
>Mean texts are crimes now
Mean text != kys

>>131796010
> when killing yourself isn't even a crime?
It actually is in some states, and what she did was considered Manslaughter, which is a term used for causing accidental deaths.

>>131796676
The way I see it, when you suggest something to someone, that only affects themselves, like suicide, not finishing college, whatever, and they choose to listen to you, then it's entirely their fault, but if you both conspire a crime together, like a hitman, then both are to blame. It would be like you trying to sue someone because they told you not to finish college, and you listened and now you're poor and want to sue for all the money you could have made.

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>>131788211
She's the one often initiating the conversation. It was under odd circumstances that they were in contact and speaking, but she is the one who does most of the speaking and focusing on the subject, not to say that Roy actually has any other means of speaking with her than about suicide, nor does he try

>>131796237
I read the indictment and yes she did intentionally talk him into committing suicide, by texting and pushing for him to take his life, even worse after things calmed down she started organizing events for people who also lost loved ones by suicide. I just got a little bit more wary of women. But still I am concerned about the ramification of this case and I sincerely hope this doesn't get pulled out of context in future cases.

p.s. This female is literally poison and sincerely ill, She should be the one to get help.

>>131796633
Nah, suicide in and of itself is not morally wrong. Not as long as it's a measured choice that the individual came to themselves. Like obviously it's a shame to see someone physically healthy die, but at the end other day they are their own person, and if they make the choice that they don't want to live for whatever reason, who am I to stop them?

It's not like abortion, no one is choosing for them.

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>>131796711
>You cuck faggots just want a reason to white knight some girl

When the "cyber police" kick down your door for posting "cyber murder" on 4chan, remember. You asked for it.

>>131794355
Suicide isn't a crime, it's an individual's decision to dispose of their own life, which is their property.

To sentence someone who encouraged suicide for "manslaughter", that is the crime of killing another human being, is to deny the voluntary nature of suicide and man's property over his own life. It is to declare that when man commits suicide, he is not voluntarily disposing of his property but is having his property violated by others, when this is clearly not the case.

Taking the judge's logic to its fullest extent, when an employer fires an employee and the employee kills himself thereafter, the employer must be charged with manslaughter and imprisoned. Such nonsense has no place in our justice system.

>>131796676
Also
>Coercion
co·er·cion
kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/Submit
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

When did she ever threaten him.

>>131795885
then why do you ask other people to deliver your opinions for you?

you do care, youre just a lazy fuck.

>>131785466
can we as a group agree not to post on these threads? we all know the outcome of this case and what happened but these shill threads are showing up 24/7

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OP... You know what to do.

She's only going to jail because she is white. Can you imagine if her bf was black and he killed himself?? She would have gotten the death penalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ5cz1mYmE

>>131785466
malicious slut

>>131785466
No letting someone die knowing they are dying is the crime and not helping

>>131793388

>and is likely to lead to such action.

No it is not. VERY unlikely a mere internet post will lead to actually killing niggers.

>>131797419
>be alt-right
>any non-Trump, non-Nazi themed threads that encourage insightful discussion are "shill threads"

Shut the fuck up.

>>131797296
Not morally wrong? It is certainly morally wrong to evade your responsibilities to your family, to cause your parents and siblings years of agony and pain for your selfish whim. Maybe you still have the "right" to always take your own life, but that doesn't make it a morally sound decision.

What I was saying before was from my own spiritual context about suicide, it's not a "way out" of depression or pain in this life because pain is not something that is temporary or attached to a particular lifetime. Souls have scars, and those scars heal slowly and painfully, you can't escape that simply by opting out of this body. That's just where I am coming from, not trying to convince or convert you.

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>>131786124
Well that is my point. Like everyone here don't care if some anon say: Go kill yourself.

But a normie who get's a text with the same message will take it in another way.

Soo the whole thing revolves around how the victim precives the comment. I do agree on the other hand that this is obvious target harassment.I'm just saying he was a weak person for commitin suicide.

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>>131785466
half the posts ITT

>>131797322
>Suicide isn't a crime, it's an individual's decision to dispose of their own life, which is their property.
That's not what we're discussing though. Once she became directly involved, it stopped being a simple suicide.

>Taking the judge's logic to its fullest extent, when an employer fires an employee and the employee kills himself thereafter, the employer must be charged with manslaughter and imprisoned. Such nonsense has no place in our justice system.

That's not the Judges reasoning at all though? For one, in that example the employer would have no fore knowledge of his employees actions. This woman DID know, and encouraged him.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.

>>131797587
go fuck yourself. telling someone to get back in the car you encouraged them to monoxide poison themselves in is the same as killing them.

>>131797801
>not trying to convince or convert you.

Nor me to you friend. I was just weighing in with my own opinion. You're totally entitled to yours.

>>131785466
Reminder that Charles Manson, considered by american media as the most evil man alive, never actually killed anyone.
He was put away for supposedly telling someone to do something that led to deaths.
He supposedly had power over his followers, she had a lot of power over this guy, in terms of emotion.

This girl is no different.
Whether it really is really a crime is another matter.

>Defending a murder because she is fuckable.

>>131785818

so is bullying and harrassment

>>131797897
Libertarian's still had need for rule of law and there are still limits to free speech in a libertarian government.

The distinction is made when determining free will/complicity in a suicide. Obviously what she did was morally wrong, the question is to what legal standard do we hold her?

>>131798347
Loads of beta faggots on /pol/.

>>131785867
>oblivion NPC discussion
kek

>>131786335
INCITEMENT
has nothing to do with shit hope you faggots hoping she'll put out to you and what you can get from her for this DIE
GO KYS

>>131798347
Not touching that kitty with a ten feet pole german-bro

>>131796676

you pay money for a hitman, that is a crime in itself, even if no hit is actually carried out

coercion is a thing that means a threat of violence, not just persuading someone verbally to do something, that is no coercion

>>131797900
>Once she became directly involved, it stopped being a simple suicide.

Did the said individual take his own life voluntarily and intentionally? Yes. Therefore, he committed suicide.

>the employer would have no fore knowledge of his employees actions

So if the employee notified his manager that, if he was fired, he would kill himself, and the manager fired him anyways, it would be manslaughter? Come the fuck on.

What's comparing apples to oranges is making a manslaughter out of a suicide. Someone voluntarily took their own life and another person is being prosecuted for it as if she killed him.

>>131798134
>an individual voluntarily taking their own life with no coercion involved is the same as an individual's life being forcefully taken away by someone else
>red is the same as blue

wew

>>131786528
I've done the same shit. Friend kept bugging me over and over again how he was going to abuse his ADD medication (i.e. basically amphetamines) and after about 20 minutes of me telling him not to, I just said fuck it. I don't care, you can do whatever you want; just stop pestering me about it.

>>131785466
All she wanted was some attention ;_;

Poor girl

>>131786418
he went to kill
HIM SELF HISSELF
not soeone else
so to blame an action at a later time on someone or somethign else
is insanity

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>>131797322
You start off on the right track but veer off into a misunderstanding.

>voluntary nature of suicide
This is the part that the whole thing hinges around. "Voluntary" as a legal concept enjoys certain protections in English Common Law (which our legal system is derived from) all the way back to 1066 and the Norman Invasion of England where the concept of "duress" was famously used. Simply speaking, any action taken when under persuasion, coercion, or duress, if any such influence can be proven, is not legally the same thing as "voluntary". It doesn't mean that he isn't still responsible for killing himself, it just means that a certain amount of responsibility for that outcome also belongs to somebody else, somebody who can be definitively proven to have tried repeatedly to affect that outcome through her own actions.

He may have tried to kill himself before that night, he might have tried to kill himself many years later. The important thing from a legal standpoint is that on THAT specific night, it is clear beyond any reasonable doubt that he would not have killed himself without the influence of the girlfriend.

I get your arguments about sole-ownership of property, but a person's decisions can be influenced by external factors too, external factors, advice, and persuasion can alter the outcome of an individual's decisions, and if you intentionally use that persuasion in a calculated manner to bring about the death of another person, you have responsibility for that too.

Have a look at pic related, is it really just Théoden's fault that his son is dead? Or is it possible that there is more going on here....

>>131785867
i was on the fuck her train but after reading his bullshit i dont see the problem

>>131798728
>no coercion involved

http://www.baka.com.au/world/in-landmark-case-michelle-carter-convicted-for-urging-her-boyfriend-to-commit-suicide-20170616-gwt103.html

Up to the moment he passed out from the toxic fumes, Carter was on the telephone with him; when he had doubts and got out of the truck, she ordered him back in.

>>131798434
She kept telling him to kill himself when he was hesitating and he probably would not have done it if she did not encourage him.
People have been sentenced for less.
Telling a stranger to kill themselves is free speech, pushing someone who you know has mental issues to suicide is not.

It will be appealed and she will go free. If not she will get the smallest sentence possible.

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>>131785466
I thought there was some retarded law that suicide is illegal in that state and so they technicalitied her by saying she encouraged or incited a crime to be committed.

Did America actually make "kys" illegal?

>>131786528
at first she said dont
but she seemed annoyed when he didnt?

you made that up just then on the spot
LIAR

i swear to god

you the judges teh lawyers
your all rapists
you want to see what you can get from the girl

>>131798728
you cant win mate she incited him into suicide and enforced this decision when he tried to back out

In the end what this comes down to is:

>WHAT YOU DID UPSETS ME SO YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL, REEEEEEEEE!

No one's rights have been violated in this case, nobody has been coerced in this case. It is simply a self-righteous judge mad with power punishing someone for conduct he personally disagrees with.

>>131797855
>Well that is my point. Like everyone here don't care if some anon say: Go kill yourself.
Because everyone here throws these words around constantly as a joke to people they don't know.
Talking over a long time to someone you're close to, and whom you knows is seriously thinking about it, and talking them into going through with it is another story.

>>131798920
I agree with you that she is guilty. I don't agree with you that it's Libertarian sentiment that is defending her.

>>131786963
GO IKILL YOURSELF FGGOT
I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS PERSONALLY
AND I HOPE I GO TO JAIL
>CHECK EM NIGGER

>>131799207
PUSSY YORU A FUCKING PUSSY KILL YOURSELF

>>131799207
Bunch of ancap flags arguing that she dindu nuffis

>>131799147
>7
SOMEONE
CLOSE TO
TELL THEM 1000'S OF TIMES
I SHOULD KILL MYSELF
GETS ENCOURAGED TO ABOUT IT
DIES

WAHT U GUYS GONNA DO ABOUT IT CRY

>>131785867
WHAT.
A.
PSYCHO.
CUNT.

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>>131799347
kys faggut

>>131799123


>> 131798910
respond to my post before this thread 404's you cunt

EVERYONE OF YOU FAGGOTS
GO KILL YOURSELF
OR IM GOING TO DO IT MYSELF

>>131798728
lol
you'd make a terrible lawyer

>>131798728
>Did the said individual take his own life voluntarily and intentionally? Yes
Actually no. If coercion/duress is proven, as it was, as there is ample evidence to that fact, "voluntary" has no place here.

Is the prisoner who walks calmly to the gallows going voluntarily and intentionally? If I threaten to kill your entire family if you don't jump off a building, is that really voluntary? What about an ancap's definition of bribery, extortion, and blackmail, if you have dirt on me and force me to do something unethical, is the responsibility for that really all mine?

Surely you can understand tertiary responsibilities, in fact it's a basic principle of the free market. For example if I invest stock into a company, I reap what I sow. This woman was clearly heavily invested in the death of her boyfriend, so when that stock came to fruition she paid the price for her investment.

>>131799491
NOT ONLY THAT THE FAGGOT JUDGE LAWYERS AND ALL THESE FAGGOTS INVOLVED WANT THAT GIRL TO DO SOMETHIGN TO THEM CAUSE THEIR PERVERTS

>>131799679
success breeds jealousy americuck

>>131799437
Do you have autismo?