MINIMUM WAGE YES

no shit

>>131691130
The free-market solution to low wages has been, and always will be, Trade Unions. The Left is wasting its time trying to utilize the government to do what Collective Bargaining is supposed to do.

>>131691130
you know whats fucked up. they quitly passed 15$ miniimum wage for cleaning services in L.A. so basically a job only mexican women can get has $15 minimum wage. I fucking hate that city.

>>131691309
Not everything is a fucking competition. Its possible improve our lives massively but due to necessity instead of greed.

>>131691536
What are you saying?

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They also raised the min-wage in Washington to 13.50 by 2020.

I thought I was doing okay at 13.50 but now I'll be making as much as a guy that works at mcdonalds. Washington is only good for /out/ everything else is fucking shit. Cities are shit, government is shit. Everything is shit

>>131691536
Enlighten us about your plan.

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>>131691130
>take a massively complex issue like economics
>advocate a cause without even scratching the surface of the issue
>wonder why everything isn't sunshine and rainbows

Theyre going to do it here in LA. The cost of living/housing is already fucking expensive as it is. Theres a 40k+ homeless problem. Downtown LA looks like Mexico. Sure California might generate more revenue in the Nation, but I dont know where that shits going.

>>131691130
Needed a study to tell liberals with their voodoo "economics" what everyone else took for common sense.

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My question is - is their goal to fuck up the market so badly that there can then be a case made for nationalization of industry?

>>131692000
Doesnt realize we pay taxes to the government and it pays interest to the bank.

boy, you don't say?

The minimum wage is so retarded. I think it could easily be explained to even liberals if you explain it from the perspective of the worker. What the minimum wage means is that every person who can't convince some employer that his labour is worth more than the minimum wage isn't allowed to work. Even if he is willing to accept some job that an employer is willing to provide it is illegal for him to do so. It literally by law forbids some people from working.

I thought it was 13?

Where's the faggot Obamaleaf when you need him

>>131692915
Welcome to Obamacare

>>131692915
Nationalization is already happening via QE. Central Banks continue to print money to buy shares, which causes stock prices to rise. The market already is fucked up beyond repair under Globalism's watch, desu.

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>>131691130
WTF I HATE 3% UNEMPLOYMENT NOW!

Seriously the billionaire globalist corporate shills are working overtime on this one after this actual study came out last week

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

>>131693476
Even that won't do it because what they actually want is a paycheck just for existing. Minimum wage is just a stepping stone to their retarded "universal basic income" fetish.

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>>131691130
>Seattle thinks that they will go full scandinavian if they raise the minimum wage
>Seattle doesn't realise that scandinavian nations don't have a minimum wage
>Seattle doesn't realise that in scandinavia, the unions agree on a set wage with the employer that is best suited for international competition and worker satisfaction
Seattle dun goofed

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>>131693568
I've never seen corporate shills so desperate. Seattle is booming, employment is booming, min wage is $15/hour, unemployment is 3% but a few mom and pops cut a few hours and the right wing retards are splerging out fighting for lower wages.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26

Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.

millennials are the sorriest fucking generation to ever be born. they want $15 an hour to run cash registers, cook french fries, make coffee, and every other job that literally can be done by the mentally disabled.what a pathetic group of total pussies. they dont want to work jobs that do pay $15 an hour. they want their pathetic part time fast food job to pay that. fucking retarded people!

>>131693476

This

I know there are some cases of a business paying a homeless person off the books to sweep up the sidewalk in front of a store. If this was legal, I bet it would happen all the time.

There are all sorts of jobs that could be created.

>>131693908
>the minimum wage hike doesn't even hurt large corporate chains, checkmate corporate shills

>>131693733
Well yea but those people are gone anyway. They need to make the case to the wider public and I doubt they would be able to justify making it illegal for some people to work. You can even sprinkle in some racism shit in your case. Since it would undoubtably prevent more black people from working than white people. No way can the Democrats go through with something that disproportionally impovrishes blacks.

>>131691536
Is English your first language?

>>131691309
Thats because the democrats sold the unions down the river for nafta. they did. i watched them do it and that includes the teamsters shithead leadership. i watched them suck bill clintons cock like monica and they sold out the unions and will never have that kind of power again. democrats did this to themselves and to the union workers nationwide. nobody to blame but their damn selves.

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RIGHT WING RETARD BILLIONAIRE GLOBALIST CORPORATE SHILL SUPERKEKS LITERALLY TRYING TRYING TO ARGUE THAT 3% UNEMPLOYMENT AND BOOMING EMPLOYMENT >>131693661
IS NOW A BAD THING.

You fuckers are disgusting degenerate people. Always fighting for lower wages for workers.

Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26

This is just damage control because there was an actual study done last week.

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

>>131693661

The assertion that the study makes isn't that it caused people to lose their jobs, but that people who had jobs ended up working disproportionately fewer hours at the higher rate and thus ended up earning more money per hour but less money overall.

>>131694041
Where are the job losses you corporate shills promised me? Oh that's right. None.

>>131691309
problem with that is the places that have the most minimum wage jobs wont allow unions. Walmart McDonalds etc.

>>131693896
SHUT UP YOUR STUPID SCANDINAVIAN THINKING

WE NEED COMMUNISM AND WE NEED IT NOW

ALSO BLACK LIVES MATTER

>>131694293
They only cherrypicked a few small pop and mom restaurants.

Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26

>>131692225
>high minimum wage
>5-10 million beaners removed by Trump over the next four years resulting in cheap housing

LA is going to attract a lot of white trash and niggers

>>131694390
I thought you had to go somewhere. Now that you're back, will you address the topic of the banks?

>>131693908

Not an argument

>>131694343
No one "allows" unions. Unions force themselves to exist because they have the bargaining power to do so. Walmart and Mcdonalds employees are extremely easily replaceable so they have no bargaining power.

>>131693908
>Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center
^^^^ at Berkeley...nuff said.

>>131694327
The job losses are all in small businesses, which is exactly what a corporate shill like yourself would want

>>131694456
I did go somewhere. Now I'm back. I was gone for like 1 hour and a half.

1. Stick the topic at hand.

2. Why are you so obsessed with me.

3. Did you watch the video I told you to watch?

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

>>131694060
Dems don't give a fuck unless blacks are aware they're being screwed and getting uppity.

Look at Bill Clinton- he's copying Trump and talking about the opiate crisis killing white people. Niggers are butthurt because in the 1990s Clinton didn't give a fuck about crack except to pass laws to imprison niggers.

The days of the Democrats are numbered.

>>131694218
>don't consider people on welfare to be unemployed
>enact policies that will push people to welfare since they are now completely unemployable
>see unemployment didn't rise!
>also working fewer hours or part time is equivalent to working full time!

>>131694390

Appeals to authority are not arguments, go back to sucking off dogs while us people discuss numbers and logic

>>131694568
thats what I mean. the problem is it wont work.

>>131694651
No, I already explained why I wasn't going to watch it. Do you remember why?

>>131694651
>ACA sucked the cocks of rich pharmaceutical companies
>AHCA will suck the cocks of other rich people

So what you're saying is the rich win either way and you're a nigger?

>>131694586
You gotta love right wing retard billionaire globalist shillls always fighting for lower wages. And then the next thread u retards complain that lower income people don't pay enough taxes.

This fake news study that all the shills are pumping out is obvious damage control from the actual study that was done last week

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

I've seen corporate shills more triggered by 3% unemployment.

>>131694623
There haven't been any job losses you fucking shill. Employment has boomed. >>131693661

>>131694651

>public broadcasting service

This is like north korean government officials identifying the cause of the north korean food shortages

>>131691130
You mean forcing potential employers to pay employees $15/hr is causing them to automate the same work for $11.50/hr? No way. I wonder if anyone was saying that before the min wage was tinkered with?

>>131693661
Unemployment graph is misleading. Jobs didn't actually start coming back until 2013-2014ish. The reason the number went down is people who were looking for work dropped out of the workforce altogether.

>>131694866
Are you Baghdad Bob?

>>131694420
That is the idea. Deport them and raise citizens min wage. We need a livable min wage and 7 an hour isnt going to do it. 12 is perfect.

>>131691130
The only thing holding seattle together from a meltdown is all the tech companies

>>131694376
ALLA SKALL MED

KOMMUNISM OCH SOCIALISM ÅT JÄNKARNA

>>131694866
Nobody is saying there has been jib losses. Just that people are being paid less because businesses can't afford to have them work as much. Thus only seems to effect small businesses, which is great for your corporate owners.

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>>131694800
ACA raised taxes on the rich to give healthcare to a bunch of poor old white people in rural retard country

did u at least watch the video, or u only looked at the headline?

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

>>131694716
It isn't supposed to work. Forcing them to pay these worthless employees more will just result in faster automation. Mcdonalds and Walmart are not paying $15 an hour for a 90 IQ stoner with no motivation and a theft problem.

>>131694214
Well. Democrats are also the primary victims of selling Unions down the river, as they cannot compete in inland areas without labor's support. So in a way, they got theirs too, but later in time.

>>131694343
>>131694568

It's possible to bring Unions to low-skill laborers for large corporations like Wal-Mart or McDonalds. But the Left-Wing intellectuals actually have to make the effort into wanting Unions in the first place, and even then, it will be extremely difficult requiring atypical tactics that Organized Labor hasn't practiced in centuries. So I sympathize with both your points.

>>131694866

Part time jobs aren't employment you can raise a family on

>>131694675
Fucking this. Most of these unemployment numbers only include people who are either employed or looking for a job. Once you've been unemployed for long enough you don't count as being unemployed as you've dropped out of the labour force. Labour force participation rate is extremely low in US right now.

>>131694729
cause you're a cuck. just watch it. what r u so afraid of. i watch your retard heroes trump, alex jones and the retard on the street corner with the cardboard sign.


Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

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>>131693908
It's the fucking leaf that doesn't live anywhere near seattle again
Fuck off you uneducated maple nigger

According to economists a person who has given up on ever finding work and slowly kills themselves with opioids while rotting in front a TV is not unemployed.
Therefore policies that push people in that direction are raging undeniable success.
Underemployment is also a raging undeniable success.

Any policy that would drive these people to start seeking employment again is a raging undeniable failure since it would increase the unemployment statistic.
So people should be prevented from looking for work.

>>131693908
>Seattle is booming

The debt is increasing every single day, there are massive amounts of heroin addicts everywhere, the police is growing beleaguered on account of having to address so many problem areas but lacking the funding and numbers to do so, the gigantic fucking tent town of homeless people is only growing while the city continues to ignore it, the city still tries to push shitty transportation deals that go wildly overbudget while neglecting to spend any funding addressing any actual problem in the city, and that's just scratching the surface.

Try fucking living in Seattle, not just shitposting about it.

>>131694986
They aren't tax cuts. The tax was imposed by Obamacare now it's going away. So it's a reversal on a tax hike not a tax cut.

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>>131694675>>131695047


Do you right wing retards seriously not fucking understand that when unemployed get jobs, the unemployment rate goes down? How can you be so fucking retarded?

Employment goes up. Unemployment goes down. You absolute fucking retards think this is a conspiracy? >>131693661

>>131695109

More north korean style (((news))), how about an argument? Or do you always rely on appeals to authority for simple concepts?

>>131694987
The other problem that right-wingers aren't apt to acknowledge is that Wal-Mart and McDonalds pay so low, the government subsidizes the employees with food stamps and welfare and such. So these companies aren't actually 'market efficient' because their business models heavily include the government to take care of their shortcomings. Then again, automation is inevitable with or without Unions.

>>131694950
Where is your evidence of job losses?

>>131695109
Nope, that's not why I said I wasn't going to watch it. Strike one. Have another swing at it.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

To Retarded leaf ITT. Notice how the labor force participation rate went down and unemployment went up during the post 2008 time.

>>131694888
just watch the interview u safe space cuck

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

>>131695277
It's too early for evidence you numbskull. Somebody already told you that last thread.

>>131695242
Labor participation rate is falling. The unemployment stat you utilized is decoupled with the reality on the ground.

>>131694651
>Wages raise
>Hours lower
>Workers make less money as a result
>Obama leaf still has not properly refuted this common logic

C U C K

>>131695156
I live here and it's never been worse. The town is like one giant hooverville

>>131694866
>Employment has boomed.
Yeah I don't think tech workers & MBAs are getting paid minimum wage.

>demand 15 an HR in today's environment
>Get it
>Massive job loss
>They'll wonder why

>>131695264
Automation will be sped up literally decades with a $15 minimum wage. Every single employer currently paying less than that would be desperately looking for any way they can automate.

>>131695277

Correlation does not equal causation, dumb commie scum. The soviets solved unemployment by executing people, does that mean they were good at running a country? Look at this chart, unemployment is down on its knees near a ditch.

>>131695312
I meant to say unemployment went down as labor force participation went down. That's because the "unemployment rate" only takes into concideration people actively seeking employment, and if no jobs are made but less people are looking for jobs then unemployment goes down.

>>131695109
>If Warren buffet says it then it must he true he has no ulterior motives

Nice argument ad verecundium , fag.

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>>131691130
>tfw in your lifetime they will be talking about employment rates instead of unemployment rates

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>>131695312
We're talking about Seattle u fucking moron. Not the overall US.

Did you look at the age limit on your graph?

Age: 16 years and over

AND OVER

Do you know what that means dumbass?

Do you retards still not fucking understand that when unemployed get jobs, the unemployment rate goes down. I'm dead serious. How fucking retarded handicapped do u have to be to not know this?

>>131694987
That's great. And what are McDonald's and Walmart going to do when the lower classes who make up most of their customer base can't afford to shop there anymore because their jobs have all been automated away?

>>131695493
Which is why a Trade Union wouldn't advocate for a $15 wage.

>>131695353
So you don't have a shred of evidence of any job losses. Case closed. Corporate shills btfo

By the time they getup to 15hr they'll be needing 20. Once everyone has 20 apartment prices will sharply rise.

t. Make 20 and need 25 to live alone without niggers and spics around me in denver

>>131695321

Why? Warren buffet receives billions in tax money, he is not an objective source.

>>131691309
Fuck unions, they get political and out of control too.

t. Right to work Texas

>>131695614
Is that swing number two? I can't tell. We'll call it a ball. Two swings to go.

>>131694824
Listen up you hysterical faggot, IDGAF about the health and well being of corporations. Corporations are able to operate countless franchises overemploying staff, but not giving any decent hours. They can run a money losing operation because they push small owners under. Fuck you. I hope EVERY major corporation in america crashes and burns and is replaced by mom and pop stores coast to coast. i hate your fucking conformity and consolidation of profits. I hate the way you protect the corporations and help drive self employed people out of business. Fuck you you liberal shit. I hope you fucking die from nigger aids and wetback herpes. all in your faggot mouth. bitch. LIBERALS PROTECT CORPORATIONS BY PUNISHING SMALL BUSINESSES. I fucking hate you.

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>>131695242
Ok this chart is the entire US but it's probably the same in Washington/Seattle. It's just that the data is a little bit harder to find than the totally-not-cooked unemployment numbers.

They should make every job $15 an hour!

>doctor
$15 an hour!
Affordable healthcare!

>>131695764
when we have robots and computers doing all the jobs for free we won't need money!

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>>131691130
Working in retail in Seattle, at the moment. I don't know if we can't get anyone to actually apply or if corporate won't hire anyone else. All I know is that we don't have anywhere near the staff to actually get our jobs done while still trying to help customers. Not that I really give a shit. I get paid 15 an hour to just kind of bullshit around, and walk 6 or 7 miles throughout the store everyday.

>>131695380
Less hours for equal or slightly less pay is a godsend. You never worked a labor job in your life have you? 40 hr work week at 7 an hour is slavery.

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>>131695242
Meanwhile..

>>131694729
to be honest warren buffet is a pretty based financial investor. He always tells people the truth.

>>131691536

This is true for some individuals who see past materialism and opt out of the rat race, but you're talking about altering the conditioning of millions of people at the same time

You can't eliminate human nature

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>>131691130
You posted the same thread yesterday faggot.>>131693661
>>131693908
>>131694218
>>131695242

.02 cents has been deposited into your account

>>131691536
Tell that to the burger flippers that want $15/hr

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>>131695362
We're talking about Seattle you fucking moron. You're too fucking stupid to know that when unemployed get jobs, the unemployment rate goes down. That's how fucked up mentally you are.

The overall US CLFPR is falling because of retiring boomers. WTF DID YOU THINK IT WAS?

>>131695576
This post is too meta for this thread.

>>131695634
Free Association is a fundamental right for Freedom. If people want to associate together to bargain for their wages, it's in their right to do so.

>>131694912

>we shouldn't automate because we have cheap labor

This is why Rome never industrialized. Low minimum wages are holding back full automation and ultimately post-scarcity.

>>131695900
Oh if only all shills had your passion, Obamaleaf. Then 4chan truly would be "ready for Hillary."

>>131695850
Not at all. He's a bag man for the NWO. It's not even that he trades on inside information; he's high enough up that he makes the inside information.

And the groveling bimbo media puts it out on the TV so the plebs can swing on his nuts like he's not just short of the apex criminal class.

>>131695634
hook em

>>131695380
Lol workers are making more money in Seattle. Wages are way up. Wtf are you talking about? Hours went down in a few cherrypicked mom and pop restaurants

Right wing retards are now arguing against working less and making more money AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you really are cucked slaves

>>131695563

Why not make the minimum wage a billion dollars an hour, that way nobody has to work! You're a genius, if you push this idea there will be no world hunger.

>>131696004
Exactly.

>>131696004
Let us know when you're going to get around to talking about the banks. You already said you had to go somewhere before (confirmed again in this thread) so I guess now you have the time since you're still humping this thread.

>>131696004
>the wage hike only hurt small businesses

wtf, I love corporate overlords now

>>131691933
That's like me in Cali. Im making 16.50, but they fucking raised the minimum wage across the state to 15.00. So now I'll barely be making more than some 16 year old kid at his first summer job.

>>131691130
The minimum wage will always be $0. If the government tries to artificially raise the cost of labor those jobs will vanish.

>>131695828
Did you not read the article? They are getting paid more for less hours , but the average worker is making $125 less per month because they are working that much less hours. The only thing that has changed is that people are making less now lmao

>>131695516
LOL AHAHAHA you just btfo the entire right wing corporate shill argument against raising the min wage to $15/hour. YOu retards promised there would be job losses. Now you're admitting there aren't any. You're btfo yourself u fucking retard AHAHAHAHA

>>13169556
here's some basic math for the literal retard

100 people looking for work
95 get jobs
5 still looking for work
=5%unemployment rate

90 people looking for work
86 find jobs
4 still looking for work
4.5% unemployment

WOAH LOOK AT ALL THE JOBS I CREATED IM AN ECONOMIC GENIUS.

you are a retard

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>>131691130
Noooooooooo shit

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>>131695493
They're automating $1/hour China jobs. Automation is happening regardless. Maybe you right wing retards need to stop sucking billionaire globalist cock all day

>>131695900
That article is bullshit. As you can see from the Berau of Labor Statistics labour force participation has been falling for the groups who are younger than 55.
https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm

>>131691933
Same happened to me. I was making above minimum wage, minimum wage raised, and now I'm back at the bottom.

>>131695873
WE can! Automation is on the way!
>>131695893
Yeah shame on them for wanting a livable wage.

>>131696206
Why suck billionaire globalist cock when you could suck quadrillionaire banker cock?

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>>131696035
>Why not make the minimum wage a billion dollars an hour

THIS IS HOW RIGHT WING RETARDS ARGUE

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>>131695973
>Obamaleaf is a shill
You new here? He's been btfoing this board for a while. It's actually pretty funny

>>131691130
Seattle and King County in general is flush with tech cash. It's also 70% white. I don't agree with minimum wage but I think it could work there.

>>131691479
Lol rekt

>>131696004
>Hours went down in a few cherrypicked mom and pop restaurants

Hmm no according to r university of washington everyone is on average making 125$ less per month now because hours went down as wages went up.

Sorry leaftard. Your socialist Utopia hasn't come yet.

>>131695900
The only way you can seriously suggest the LFPR is dropping because of retirees is if you don't live in America. Most young people either have no job or have a shitty part time job. Very few millennials are working full time and only a tiny sliver are making a good wage.

>>131696121

Communism will surely work this time around, you just need to keep trying and ignore basic reality where money has to represent value in order to be wealth.

if anyone is wondering how to get rid of Obama Leaf just put "right wing retards" into filtered phrases.

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>>131692915
Nice car, bro

>>131696262
Why not repost the same pictures instead of talking about the financial sector?

>>131696153
welp you blown the fux out of that guy so hard his post was disintegrated

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>>131696004
The study showed raising Seattle's minimum wage meant 4% more pay for workers but businesses cut back hours and days 9% per worker. So each worker is making $125 a month less than before the minimum wage hike.

>>131694420

>cheap housing
>California

You're reaching.

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>>131695540
If it ever comes, I hope it destroys the Bay Area. I'll be laughing in my bunker there.

>>131696310
the trick is that no job generates less than $15/hour, even a shitty job

>>131696262

So what's the argument against a billion dollar minimum wage? That way billionaires won't be able to oppress non-billionaires. Or what magic number do you prefer labor to be worth and why?

>>131696114
I value my time more than money. Id gladly take the hit in income to have more time. Time is more valuable to me than some extra goy bucks.

>>131696262
It's called reductio ad absurdium ya twit

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>>131696333
I liked it

>>131696400
>So each worker is making $125 a month less than before the minimum wage hike.
Has Obamaleaf been BTFO?

>>131696519
1 billion is well beyond what workers produce
no job produces less than $15/hour, even the shittiest ones produce more than that

>>131696472
hahaha
every service job, ie non productive generates sweet fuck all for $15

>>131691309
And the free-market solution to unions is outsourcing to China.

>>131696577
I'd mire it

>>131696600
you are insane, they generate at least 30 per transaction, and in 1 hour there's like 30 transactions

>>131691933
>>131696111

That's the point. Now bottom earners will agitate for higher wages and as they start getting paid more the guys on the next rung will begin to agitate. The top earners will have no choice but to take a pay cut if they want to stay in business.

>>131696546
>I would

Good for you. The problem was that no one was making enough money in Seattle to pay the rent, so now everyone is working less to have even less when while being paid more per hour.

So they just made their situation worse.

I guess now they have more time to drug deal lmao, that might solve their issues.

>>131691130
>no regualtions to stop landlords from increasing rent to maintain as a standard percentage of average income for area.

wew lads.

though i had some good times at der bierstube

>>131696589

Then why are third world countries poor despite having a lot of work hours? After all, value is being created according to you.

>>131696472
>no job generates less than $15/hour

No job should, but plenty of employees do

>>131696740
No they won't. What planet do you live on?

>>131696740
lol

>>131696860
all third world countries also have huge inequality

makes me think... it may have something to do with distribution of wealth.... hmmm

>>131696740
>The top earners will have no choice but to take a pay cut if they want to stay in business.
>nope.png
They will just eliminate as many of the minimum wage jobs as possible. If that won't be able to cover the cost of the wage increase they will have to raise prices. You can't force companies to pay their employees more without rasing the cost of their products since they have to get the money from somewhere. Also with most of these companies you could pay the CEO $0 and it would only increase the pay of minimum wage employees by a cent or 2 a month.

>>131696614
Fair enough. That doesn't mean its good for the nation.

>>131696811
:O The private prison market is booming too? LOL paying rent LOL drugs Id rather be homeless than pay rent. Stop using bottom dwellers as examples for a failing system. They deserve all the Darwin awards they can get.

>>131696103
It didn't hurt anyone. A few mom and pops restaurants cut a few hours. The wage hike has been an overwhelming success

>>131697115
Inflation in Seattle: 3% (yearly)

oh wow it's fucking nothing

Very serious question: Whats wrong with working 40 hours? Our parents and grandparenst gave us an incredible standard of living because they worked 40 hours a week. Why dont we want to? Its really weird to me that so many people under 30 simply do not want to work a full time job. 40 hours a week over 5 days still leaves a bunch of free time. You make more money too, so i dont get it. You have a 401k by chance? Then how does working less hours help you grow your 401k better than working 40 hours would? please someone explain to me what is so damn bad about working like adults?

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>>131696322
>higher wages = communism

>>131697194
When are you going to talk about the banks?

>>131697214
My grandparents worked dawn to dusk.

>>131697194
how would you know? are you in Seattle?

>>131696614
You wouldn't have to outsource to China if the cost of labour wasn't so high in the US. The main thing that drives up cost of labout is regulation and minimum wage laws. So basically minimum wage is to blame for outsourcing to China.

>>131697180
>The private prison market is booming too

Wut

>I'd rather be homeless than have a home and pay rent

Lmao

>The working class are a bunch of bums

Gas yourself.

>>131697287
>what are statistics

>>131696310
The only reason it works like this is greed. Corporations with billions of dollars in yearly revenue are unwilling to even consider the possibility of paying for wage increases by profiting slightly less, even if they could easily afford it. The fact that we're talking about how much McDonald's will have to raise the price of a hamburger to pay for a higher minimum wage is a complete farce.

>>131697252
maybe not, but fewer workers sure could lead to that.

>>131695109
>20 posts by this id

Likely story

>>131697252
>forced higher wages = communism
ftfy.

>>131697194
It hurt the employees of small businesses. I guess that doesn't matter to you though, because your corporations aren't hurt.

>>131697214
Young people want to work 40 hours but they can not. If you work 40 hours your employee has to give you benefits as a full time employee. So they intentionally restrict it to 39 hours to prevent that. Government at its best.

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>>131696472
>no job generates less than $15/hour, even a shitty job
lad

>>131697361
Worse than lies and damn lies.

t. work with statistical modeling in the course of my professional life
Man, talk about government waste.
>here let's see if we can prove this is worth funding
>btw be sure to hire somebody to come up with a better way to provably prove that this is worth funding so you can fund your funding while you're keeping your funding

>>131696864
In-house janitors do not produce a singledollar in revenue for the company. Not one dime comes from anything a companys in house janitor does.

>>131697371
Learn basic economics first, then you can post here.

>>131696400
>>131696580
Once again, the study that you corporate shills are shilling cherrypicked a few small mom and pops. that's it. It's already been debunked.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26

Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.

>>131697204
The national level is 2%, and thats only because they include large cities like Seattle.

leaf here from Ontario,
our premier will increase the minimum wage to 15 as well in the next coming years, why are liberals so desperate to appeal to the lowest common denominator in exchange for total economic failure of their country?

>>131691536
OK, please play with your own money. Any business owner can over pay his employees when ever he wants. Also why dont public companies ever do this?

>>131697526
One again, you refuse to address the financial system.

>>131697041

Hmm except money isn't wealth or zimbabweans would live in paradise. Money is only worth what you can buy with it so any action that reduces this will result in the money dropping in value.

>>131697214
Because the win wage at 40 hrs is not livable. In the past it was as housing costs were like 15 grand everything was cheap as well.
>>131697358
Trump is big on private prisons. Thats where these urchins will go. Whats so funny dr goldstien? I will never pay rent or loans.

>>131697371
>companies are just meanies who don't want to pay employees

It's a market. Democrats have flooded the low skill labor pool with millions of illegal immigrants and their poor offspring. Is it any wonder wages haven't increased?

>>131697570
They need a dependent class to control.

>>131697569
>100% wage raise
>3% price raise
wew man, what a bad deal for workers...

>>131697526
>Michael Reich,

Yet another argumentum verecundium. You're not helping your case here.

>>131697526
>A (((professor))) at (((Berkeley)))

>>131696672
>you are insane, they generate at least 30 per transaction
are you roleplaying?

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>>131696232
Are you fucking retarded? Now you're denying that 10,000 boomers are retiring everyday.

WTF DID YOU THINK THE CLFPR WAS FALLING?
>>131696321

>>131697668
>who should be making minimum wage

>>131697194

So you're saying it's harder for poor people to start businesses to get out of poverty.

>>131697605
>zimbabwe gdp per capita: 800 dollars
>rich
Illiterate moron.

>>131697684
When are we going to have a discussion about the banking system?

If a burger flipper is paid more, his work is not worth more.

His money is worth less.

Is there anyone here actually from Seattle? How is the restaurant industry doing with this?

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>>131696321
25 to 54 went up under Obama.

If by young people, you mean 16 year olds, yeah they're in school dumbass. The days where you drop out of high school at 16 and join the labor force are over.

>>131697766
You mean under Ben Bernanke?

minimum wage fag here. I had a feeling it was never going to be good but I still had high hopes.

Oh well, only another year til i can get a degree.

>>131697526
>pay for a study
>study says your a fuck up
>pay for another study that says the orginal study is bunk.
money wisely spent.

>>131697766
reminder that national-socialism is right wing and uses keynesian economics

truly the kino ideology

>>131697701
A non-stem professor should not be making any wage as he is a worthless drain on the country.

>>131697654
>>131697668
You billionaire globalist corporate shills fighting for lower wages are just doing damage control because this came out last week

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

>>131697252

Yes, the idea that money is not a claim on value but actual wealth is the basic failure to grasp how reality works which leads to retarded wealth redistribution schemes like the minimum wage.

>>131697867
You mean globalist banker shills?

>>131697577
Bottom line. Ive been noticing more lay offs than raises.

>>131691933
Is pretty good for /k/, too, surprisingly

>>131697766
>went up under Obama
YOU ALWAYS DO THIS YOU STUPID FUCK
OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE DURING THE RECOVERY FROM A RECESSION
LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE STATISTIC GOES UP DURING A RECOVERY.

>>131697646
Except they aren't being paid 100% more, wages increased 100% more while hours decreased and a study by the university of washington has shown a reduction in monthly total pay by on average $125. This coupled with with 3% increase in the CPI just means they are getting poorer.

>>131693661
Everytime without fail, how about some Clinton charts

>>131697646
>100% wage raise
>$125 less each month after the most recent increase
>Whoops.jpg
Turns out hourly rate means shit if you're working fewer hours.

>>131697702
Unemployment is 3% and job openings are booming. I don't think you retards understand how a labour market works.

Only corporate shills argue that a $15/hour min wage and 3% unemployment is a bad thing.

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>>131697905
Republicans crash the economy. Democrats thrive the economy. No shit dumbass.

>>131697952
I hear the banks are booming. I don't think you understand how the banking market works.

But you won't even reply to me anymore. So sad you are.

>>131697914
>>131697931
>has more free time / time for a second job / get better skills

What kind of retard would argue against earning more working less?

>>131697952
only retards belive these numbers at face value.

>>131697867
>It hasn't cost jobs

No but it's cost hours, meaning workers are getting paid less in total. So far the only thing to argue against this has been a few professors who say "oh maybe the research they did was faulty" and that's it.

Not much of an argument desu.

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>>131697931
>100% wage raise

Are you retards really this fucking retarded? Holy shit u don't even know how to do math.

You do know Seattle is in Washington state right?

>>131698014
Banks engage in boom and bust cycles.

What if I give you a book recommendation. Would you read it? It's not a picture book like your recycled infographics, unfortunately.

>>131698078
Holy shit do you know how to read books or conduct an argument?

>>131691536
>Not everything is a fucking competition.
Is the entire concept of capitalism new to you?

>>131698038
You can tell they're obviously billlionaire globalist corporate shills. There's no way right wing retards are this cucked for their wealthy elite overlords. Well I could be wrong about that.

>>131697721

Zimbabwe printed trillion dollar notes before and according to you money equals wealth

But there was nothing to buy

>>131698038
But how can you find a job if most companies are cutting the hours of minimum wage workers? Not like there is a shortage of people without work.

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>>131698121
>>100% wage raise


Where the fuck are you morons getting this from?

>>131697526
The Berkeley study only looked at the restaurant industry where most already make $13/hr PLUS tips.

>>131698038
>Has time for a second job

Except you don't, they aren't offering more time they are reducing time and paying you less per month.

>>131698154
You can tell you're obviously a globalist banker shill.

>>131698160
>3% unemployment and down
>HOW CAN YOU FIND A JOB

>>131698014
No seriously, after a recession hits you are expecting the economy to go down? How the fuck does that make any sense to you? Do you understand what a recession is? A recession is when, due to a panic, the market goes way below where it actually should be. After that, it will naturally recover back to the equilibrium point. His GDP growth was embarrassingly low, even accounting for the recovery from the recession. But the fact you seriously compare the end of Obama's term numbers to the depth of a recession shows how much of an economic illiterate you are.

>>131698078
I'm guessing you didn't read the comment I was responding to did you?

>>131698196
I never claimed it was a 100% raise. I presume that in fact you are illiterate and couldn't handle a book. Prove me wrong.

>>131693661
>company cuts your 40 hour week to 25 and slashes your full time benefits
>hires another Mexican to do the other half of your job
wow jobs doubled

>>131697495
Thats only in retail and fast food and groceries. There are other jobs. My wife works in a grocery store at a 28 hour a week cap thanks to obamacare. she complains and complains. i say, honey, the factory is hiring. Thats 40 hours a week and sometimes overtime. She gets quiet and doesnt mention it for a few days. Shes just 25 (im 47 btw). My kids are the same damn way (17 and 20). they want to fuck around at a pizza place and as a line cook for applebees. They cant get shit going lifestyle wise. I say hey kids the factory is hiring with a 40 hour week plus overtime. they get quuuuuuiet. I am starting to think young people are just so coddled in a comfort zone for so long the very idea of having to work like real adults doing real work is too intimidating. its very sad because the factories here easily pay $5 or more an hour...but its hot inside the buildings...and they have to stand for long periods...and they have to maybe lift more than 20 pounds...and MOST IMPORTANTLY they would be too busy to...LOOK AT THEIR FUCKING PHONES. Im convinced all you young people need to straighten up is a year of factory work.I wish my household would realize that. Working less than 40 hours at comfortable but unchallenging jobs also hurts your social security earnings. No one is thinking ahead anymore.

>>131694218
>the economically illiterate leaf is incapable of comprehending the concept of lagging indicators
see you in a year when cost of living increase adjusts higher than the increase in wages

>>131698215
No they didn't. They took a much broader look. The study you corporate shills are focused on only looked at a few mom and pops restaurants.

This is such obvious damage control.

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

I've never seen corporate shills fight this hard against 3% unemployment.

They should do a vote for low wage workers if they want to give back their min wage increases. I wonder how badly u corporate shills would get btfo

>>131691130
The cost of basic life is based around minimum wage you fucking faggot.

When you raise minimum wage you dont just get more money, rent and utilities go up too. Insurance and cost of food in your area.

When they raised the minimum wage to 10 dollars in AZ I flipped shit. It hurts people like me who paid their dues and are working for living. The only people that cry about minimum wage are retarded college kids.

>>131698327
Women should not work in factories you degenerate.

>>131698273

Sophists like this guy only acknowledge everything that agrees with them, no matter how flawed or how many times their CNN tier sources get blown the fuck out

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>>131698223
lol nice try u know i hate trump

why r u so obsessed with me?

>>131698330
>i-i-it's just lagging guys, surely the austrian predictions will be right this time
said the austrian cuck for the 100th time this century

>>131698327
My female cousin made good money fitting gaskets at a factory job on her way to eventually being a teacher.

Hard work is good for the soul.

>>131698142
I just dont believe in it. And now with automation en route i see a way out of it improving millions of lives on the way. its exciting we are heading for socialism that actually works instead of depression>eco boom capitalism.

>>131693908
>the economy is a pile of money
liberals are big children

>>131698432
Because you won't talk about the banks.

>>131698280
the other guy did and u replied to that. don't be so dumb

>>131697931
>>131698078
>>131698121

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>>131698014
>presidents create jobs
when will left-wing retards learn

>>131698494
Is this your incompetent way of asking for the book recommendation?

>>131698479
I'm btfo corporate shills right now who are fighting for lower wages for American workers. I'm literally fighting against evil

>>131696275
i've yet to see him btfo anyone, he gets too flustered to respond coherently

>>131698236
As I've said before the unemployment number is misleading. People who aren't in the labour force don't count as being unemployed even if they don't have a job. So after a few months of being unemployed you don't count as being unemployed. Labour force participation has been falling for every age group bellow 55 (and increasing for those above 55). So there is hundrets of thousands or probably even millions of people (in Washington alone) who aren't working but don't count as unemployed.

>>131693908
> 1 minumun wager is hurting the economy
> no thousands and thousands

>>131698388
Shut up shill.

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>>131698509

Lol right wing retards shit on the Obama economy for 8 years then suddenly try to take credit for it. You filthy retards are the biggest degenerates on the planet.

Even Republicans called it the Obama economy.

You realize I fucking btfo you retards hard when all you can do is try to take credit for Obama and Clinton's greatness and completely dindu an 8 year GOP presidency

>>131698080
im interested actually

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>>131697766
>obamaleaf posting
the stupidity of your posting is a high art.

>>131698550
why don't u watch the video?

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

>>131698556
So you're saying the corporations are more evil than the banks? I don't think you're btfoing anybody but yourself in recent history.

>>131698620
Please tell me what specifically Obama did to grow the economy.

>>131698236
Depends on how you define unemployment and the issue isn't employment it is monthly wages versus hourly wages. Unemployment always fluctuates, but by increasing the minimum wage to $13 dollars you have made employment worth even less than before because now firms will hire you for less hours.

The only way to compensate is to work my jobs, meaning you're working about the same hours for less monthly pay overall.

>>131698556

By forcing people to go out of business at gunpoint, yeah komrad make Stalin proud

>>131698660
Warren Buffet is a democrat. You might as well quote George Soros.

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>>131698695
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

>>131698376
It says in the second paragraph they focused on food service you idiot.

The "corporate shill" study was commissioned directly by Seattle City Council. They realized it wasn't going to have anything good and hired the Berkeley study real quick to cover things up.

>>131698785
>3% (three per-cent) unemployment
>out of business
hmmm

>>131698799
What specifically did Obama do to grow the economy?

>>131698677
Banks are most definitely the evil here while corporations grow to support them. I cant wait for a government backed flat currency. BANKS BTFO

>>131698791
A democrat who is calling for higher taxes on billionaires. No wonder you billionaire globalist shills hate him so much.

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/

>>131698699
>my

More jobs

>>131698408
Dumbasses like this guy can't make arguments so instead they make ad hominems.

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>>131698637
After spending 3 years voraciously reading everything I could find, I still cannot recommend this book more than anything else as a starter. It would have saved me so much effort, all the information cited and collected into one place.

"The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffen.

I keep extra copies on hand to give away when I find somebody with an interested mind.

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>>131696472
How do we make all jobs generate more than $15/hr? I guarantee you, not all of them do. Also,
>the trick is
pic related

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>>131698785
Employment at all time highs.

Forcing out of business.

Are you retarded?

>>131698620
>take credit
when?

>>131698799

Obama created 11 trillion in debt just to get to pre-bush levels of shitty economy?

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>>131698866
I just told you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

If the $15 minimum wage is such a success why did Anon say there is a huge homeless tent city in seattle? Im from the poor fucking south and we do not have tent cities anywhere and no one gets paid $15 minimum wage. How can people be homeless with a $15 min wage????

>>131698799
>part time jobs
>yay we raised the unemployment!

>>131698660
Strike two. You still haven't told me why I told I wasn't going to watch it.

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>>131696549
That's the fallacious fallacy. Just because somebody is using a fallacy doesn't mean their argument is wrong.

>>131698799
Again employment doesn't matter as much if you make total employment worth less by reducing real wages and incentivizing temp jobs.

>>131698851

Leaf anon is constantly posting how small businesses have to cut back on hours and are closing down, are you calling him a liar?

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>>131698973
>Obama created 11 trillion in debt

Obama invaded Iraq, made the Bush tax cuts and crashed the economy in 2008?

ARe you actually this fucking retarded?

>>131698995
You did not answer my question you posted a link to wikipedia. Please name some of the things Obama did to grow the economy.

>>131698927
Number of employees =/= Labour participation
Obviousely the number of employees increases as the population increases but the % of people working is falling.

>>131698964
here >>131698509

>>131699047
No it means there argument is most likely wrong. A broken clock is right twice a day, but wrong every other part of the day

>>131698997
15 dollar jobs are great for people who actually get to keep their jobs. The rest get cut because there's no fucking way all businesses can stay afloat with that.

>>131697371
Why on earth would a company pay workers more than they have to? Are you dense? When the wage of an unskilled employee is raised by unnatural means (minimum wage spike) the value of their work is often then below the cost of replacing them with either a smaller, skilled workforce doing more jobs, or automated computers that work 24hrs a day, 7 days a week and have about a week of downtime a year, with sick days lasting 4 hours while Pajeet reboots the system.

Hiking the minimum wage helps noone, except making the liberal elite feel good about themselves for doing "something"

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>>131699073
Right wing retards are against a $15/hour minimum wage and 3% unemployment because a few mom and pops cut a few hours

you cant make this up

>>131699177
They don't get cut, they just work less hours.

Still waiting on my friend the leaf to post some examples of things Obama did to grow the economy. Since he was clearly the greatest economic president in history it should not be hard to name 5-6 things he did to promote economic growth.

>/pol/ argues for Jewish economics instead of Keynes (aryan) economics

>>131699177
So theres a tent city in seattle because people lost their jobs due to a $15 min wage? Am i understanding you correctly? (how is that a success?)

>>131699260
Your shilling is impressive t b h

>>131691933
>I thought I was doing okay at 13.50

you weren't

>>131698885

What? I'm telling you it's pointless to talk to that fucking leaf, he lies and cherry picks data to make his appeals to authority of governent beneficiaries look less fake. He knows it too, that's why he keeps referring to things instead of making an argument.

>>131699288
>Keynesian economincs
>Hiring 100 men to dig a trench, and 100 more to fill it in will kickstart the local economy

>>131699260
Left wing retards won't discuss the banks. You're back from your outing, so what is your excuse this time?

>>131699112
that's. it taking credit that is point out that despite Obama's best efforts the congress was still able to create jobs.

You can create the bestest fastest car in the world but if you put an idiot in the driver seat you still going to run it into a ditch.

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>>131699103
Almost like the US has an aging population and boomers are retiring. Why the fuck did you think the CLFPR was falling u fucking retard?

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>>131693908
Everyone i know who lives in Seattle either had to Marry a rich dude who already owned a nice place or is living 3 people with 100k jobs deep in a shitty apartment.

They are getting prices out of their apartments. Now you jump down to the people making 15$. when they jumped to 11 it was fine because no one in seatlle made less than that it seemed. then 13 came and started hurting businesses who couldnt compete with major chains.

Now you jumped to 15, and demand more and more out of ma and pa stores and restaurants you end up with people who cant pay the bills. you overcharge for food and theyll go to a different place and youll get priced out.

That shit is nothing to my friends in California.

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>>131691309
No they're fucking not.

Everyone should be allowed to run their business the way they want, not lose control of their property to union thugs. There's nothing free market about employees taking control of a business against the owner's will. It should be illegal to do that. Communist faggot

>>131699415
>the 100 men go and buy in stores
>the store owner buys cars
>the car manufacturer doesn't have to close the factory

it has been working for 100 years, while jewish economics have been failing for 100 years

>>131699334
Your billionaire globalist corporate shilling is disgusting. How do u sick fucks live with yourselves knowing you're destroying American lives?

>>131699352
Well for my age group I am. How many 20 year old are making 60k a year?

>>131699379
Also if you follow the "sources" on his charts they often either return an unrelated study or a 404 error.

In short, he's a liar.
>inb4 all of my posts get responded to with a chart/liberal meme and the words "right wing retard" repeated at least thrice

>>131699288
Keynes worked with Jews commonly desu , also Nozik is white as fuck.

>>131691130
live here and work part time while in school. Hours were cut, prices were raised, people quit and no one was hired to replace them. I make more $ per hour but the fewer hours means my paycheck is relatively the same. That and we went from 4 people per shift to 3 means everyone is working harder and quiting faster. The business makes whatever they were losing each hour to wages in the first two hours of the day with the increased prices. To summarize,
>Increased pay, increased workload, less hours, same paycheck, business profits up ~10%, customers paying increased 20%

You decide what it means

>>131699474
Chinese people buying up Seattle real estate is completely separate from a $15 min wage

>>131699537
How do you live with yourself defending the globalist corporatist banks?

Still waiting on a list of things Obama did to grow the economy. Just saying "the economy grew while Obama was in office" does not in any way prove Obama grew the economy. I want to know what he specifically did to grow it.

>>131699606
Are you a chink?

>>131699485
Republicans will always fight for the right of workers to work for starvation wages

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>>131698465
do you at least acknowledge that, prior to ~150-200 years ago, life literally was a competition? just give us that