Why do Republicans hate electric cars? https://electrek.co/2

I don't know. Frankly I don't get why electric cars arouse such strong emotions in some people. I'm not sure they are that much more environmentally friendly but I just think they're cool.

>>131641220
Because they are not enviromentally friendly, and if everyone starts using them, electric prices will go up, and where the hell will everyone charge them?

>>131641220

what kind of half assed statement is this

which republicans? WHO is opposing this, name names or STFU

>>131641980
>Texas
>Michigan
>Two states where Tesla sales are banned completely

>>131641220
I'm a conservative, but I don't hate the electric car, I just don't understand it's current hype. Yes one day it will be a prevailing technology, but not today. You may ask why? So I'll just ask how the cross country road trip is going in your Tesla... Yeah, checkmate fuckers.

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>>131641784
I'm not a big fan of coal powered cars either. You fuckers don't think these things are powered by solar, wind, hydro and pixie dust, do you?

They do look cool though.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

>>131642081

okay, so its not "republicans" its the states of micheagan and Texas

Fake News title

>>131641220
I live in the twenty-first century, and if I want one, I can buy an electric sports car. I'm mildly pleased whenever I realize that.

>>131641220
Because they limit your range of travel to a small area and report back to the government.

>>131642508
I've yet to see a coal powered car, and I wish you luck trying to drive for more than 5 minutes on solar power alone.

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Because only idiots think it's better to have emissions coming from power plants instead of their tail pipes.

Also, the nuclear power we'd need for everybody to switch to an electric car is evil and bad and not allowed.

>>131641220
Must use more efficient Petro to mine then process for batteries then manufacture. Not environmentally friendly. Not efficient. If environmentalists really gave a shit they would look to new methods of combustion process and capturing all output possible through new muffler/catalytic means. Or just create software to cheat like VW.

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>>131642765
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/

Did you really miss the point that badly?

>>131641220
Government subsidized toys for those with more money than sense.

>>131642955
>Fossil fuels arent subsidized

>>131641889
Well, they are (but only if your electricity is eco friendly)
But i support them for different reasons.
Electricity can be produced by different means, gas by only one. And gas is basically fuelling (money-wise) everything wrong wit this earth currently. (Islamic terrorism, dictatorships, imperialism) Electric cars would grant us independence from crazed Arabs. This is also reason why i dream so much about fusion. Would end energy geopolitics forever.

>>131641220
something petrodollar something project for new american century

When technology improves and you can gather your own energy from solar / wind etc. + longer range on batteries and faster recharging Electric Cars will be harder to control by the goverment.

>>131642081
I live in Texas and work for an oil company. But, as the best means of charging those cars is still using oil I could give a fuck.

>>131643012
True, but they're also an actual viable fuel source. Our entire nation's demand for them can be supplied already without massive subsidies into "green" energy startups that amount to huge cash giveaways to german and chinese manufacturers.

Not only do we not have the infrastructure to go full-electric, the idea of going full "green" electric is an ungodly nightmare of of wasted money.

>>131641889
>where the hell will everyone charge them?
We can't have mobile phones! Where the hell will everyone charge them?

>push button
>....... Facebook login successful!
>turn key
>HRRIICKHRRIICKHRRIICK BRRROOOOOOMM
to me electric cars are the uncanny valley between gas/diesel and flying future cars. i don't mind them but i'd never buy one. no grille is also ugly as fuck.

>>131642857
5 stroke engines. Another piston is added with an extra mechanical stroke that compresses outputted exhaust gases and combusts them again to scavenge hydrocarbon waste.

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Guess they forgot the bit where the oil they claim is so much more ethical is actually sourced from politically volatile areas of the world ruled by governments that hate us and shit all over their own people.

Even if we toss out the hippie kale-eating environmental arguments, lets face it, from a geopolitical standpoint oil is objectively a shittier resource.

>>131641220
>Subsidize rich people who can afford fancy toys by taxing the poor to give them 'free' recharge stations and subsidies for going electric
Why do Republicans hate communism?

>>131643090
We're not in the Middle East for oil.

>>131643606
>Guess they forgot the bit where the oil they claim is so much more ethical is actually sourced from politically volatile areas of the world ruled by governments that hate us and shit all over their own people.
>implying that's not the best way to have it

>>131643541
Facebook login is happening in all cars. You can't escape the botnet

>>131641220
It's only moving the problem somewhere else.
Since coal is used to producs the electricity your car runs on, how is an electric powered car different from a coal powered car?

And between a coal powered car and a traditional car, which one is more effective?

It's as simple as it gets

>>131641220
Because now my trips need to involve charging my car for hours instead of a 2 min fill up of gas.

>>131641220
Electric cars are just as polluting as fossil fuel cars, if not worse.

>>131641220
Hey OP nice thread. Do you frequent r/TeslaMotors and r/ElonMusk by any chance?

>>131641220
Republicans hate every kind of coal burner

>>131642508
Cars don't run on coal you retard

>>131642508
Everything not powered by oil is ultimately powered by coal or nuclear. It's just a fact.

Even the manufacture of you beloved windmills and solar panels is powered by one of those three.

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I like to have an open mind about electric cars so when my real car was in the shop I got a brand new fully loaded Volt as a loaner car for 3 days.

Everything feels like a compromise. From the heated anything not working right, $20k interior in a $40k real priced car, gutless on the highway (even Tesla's torque drops after 60)

>>131641220
Because they are gay?

>>131642857

>Must use more efficient Petro to mine then process for batteries then manufacture.

Already does. I mean Elon does. He opens the factory close to lithium mine so no cost of transportation. He makes factory use full renewable so no carbon production while making batteries. He makes factory modular so every improvement in efficiency can be quickly applied. Rare earth mining does not have much to do with batteries. Only five percent of a battery is rare earth material and it's gonna be recycled in the factory. It's a one time operation.

>If environmentalists really gave a shit they would look to new methods of combustion process and capturing all output possible through new muffler/catalytic means.

They do give a shit and they are searching for all methods like fuel cells and synthetic fuel etc. Electricity has no cost of transportation so it's preferred.

>>131644517
The electricity comes from coal in most of the world

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>mine a fuckhuge amount of rare earth metals in china/mongolia
>create huge amounts of pollution
>act smug because the pollution isn't coming directly out of your car

>>131643869
Why is that good?

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>>131644642
So it's a piece of shit?Then again I wouldn't expect anything different out of a chevy.I have always been a dodge person...

>>131641784
Because tesla fanboys want to ban driving and ban internal combustion.

>>131644807
The electricity for what? The battery?

>>131645061
Dodge is an acronym for Dude On Dude Gay Erection... so maybe you shouldn't drive those anymore.

>>131643682
But now there is no excuse

>>131643930
>>131643541
>Facebook login in your car
Is this really a thing?
I don't know if I'm more concerned that people can't go a car trip without going on facebook or that it isn't obvious to people that the whole point is to track you as much as possible

>>131641220
>buy electric car
>charge it from dirty power plant

>>131645344
I don't give a shit about a stupid acronym that some 12 year old made up.

>>131644955

Because gasoline powered cars don't do any of that...at all.

Stupid. Believing electric cars call MORE pollution is Class A dumb fuck Conservatist horseshit.

Rube.

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>>131641220

Because no real man drives a faggot car. Plus it's not our fault that global warming is a lie from the UN in a failed attempt to gain power.

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>>131641220
FUCK TESLA
I DON'T WANT A CHINTZY IPAD TOUCH SCREEN TO CONTROL EVERYTHING IN MY $50,000 CAR
GIVE ME BUTTONS AND KNOBS

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>>131645061
It's basically an electric version of the Cruze. I was never able to fully charge the whopping 53 miles range. Takes like 16 hours to charge from 120v outlet

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>>131645627
>hemi
That's what i'm fucking talkin about!

>>131642772
>generate power at large scale facility
>can take advantage of efficiency-increasing processes
>can take advantage of more efficient emission-reduction processes

>>131645627
>>131645627
>>131645627
>>131645627

>>131645527
Then you should be concerned that you have a 12 year old mind that thinks Chrysler produces quality. That new Ram truck is such a joke they are facing a pretty heft class action lawsuit. I'm not speaking about the Cummins emission issue, but the steering issue causing the truck to loose control. I guess that's not a bad thing being it'll steer you to your much needed death.

>>131645933
>16 hour charge
Fuck that man.

>>131641220


Why do they have to be subsidized?

Once we start building more nuke plants, we can go more electric.

I do want to install solar on my next house and buy a Tesla.

>>131644642
that's the thing about tesla's
they're fast up to 60, then they're slower than my fucking jeep

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>>131645549

>he honestly thinks batteries are more environmentally friendly than a 1950's gas guzzler

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I work at a mechanic shop and I can say with certainty that environmentalists care less about the environment than anyone else. Don't blame republicans for their stupidity. It was those tree hugging faggots that introduced the EGR system, and let me tell you, the amount of fuel wasted by EGR systems is fucking criminal.

EGR stands for Exhaust-Gas Recirculation, and what it does is in the name. It cycles your exhaust fumes back through your engine and burns it as fuel. The goal is to "clean" your exhaust, but it only succeeds in dropping your emissions. The exhaust isn't cleaned, it's caked into/onto every fucking hose, line, pipe, injector, fan, etc. If it is involved in the combustion process at all, the EGR system slathers smog all over it.
This causes all sorts of fucked up shit to start happening to your engine. God forbid the EGR valve itself get stuck open, which happens a lot. You're in for a $500 repair or you have a vehicle that can barely pull it's own wheels let alone the rest of the cab. Oh, and the best part? It doesn't help the environment AT ALL. EGR systems drop the fuel efficiency of vehicles so much that it would be more 'environmentally friendly' to not have them at all in the first place. The oil refinement process to make the fuel you are wasting by having an EGR system generates more pollutants than just running the fuel through an efficient motor.
End result is you have a vehicle that breaks down more frequently and has less power and you are contributing more to the production of smog than if you wouldn't have this eco-friendly bullshit on your rig.
God I hate liberals so much

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>>131646181
You act as if car companies have never had a blunder.Chevy used to make pretty good cars, used to be good looking to, now they are cheap pieces of shit.

>>131645549
>Believing electric cars call MORE pollution is Class A dumb fuck Conservatist horseshit.
I can tell you don't have a fucking clue how batteries are made. Let me give you a hint, retard. They don't grow on trees.

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>>131646422
>EGR is mostly used to reduce combustion temperatures to reduce NOx emissions
>EGR doesn't reduce emissions/help the environment

>>131646476
Chrysler has been in a blunder since the 70's, cut the chord man.

>>131646422
Doesn't even know how an EGR works fucking burger education!

>>131646596
It's a fucking scam through and through. Any vehicle with a functioning EGR system is a handicapped vehicle. Engines are being made to run extremely efficiently and then the government forces manufactures to slap on a system that eliminates all of the headway the engineers have been making for fuel efficiency.

I don't give a shit about electric cars, but robot driven cars are abomination and must be stopped at all costs.

>>131646024
This nigga understands.
Also, if glass-sodium battery works, it is good bye to 3 reasons for disliking electric car (battery recharge life, time and polution of battery production.)

>>131646925
skynet is 70% likely to begin in Japan

>>131646733
Nope

>>131644999
>our enemies are reliant on our money, their economy is based on a resource we can target easily with aerial dominance
>we deplete their supply before our own stash
>the more volatile the nation we buy from, the better price we get

i like how nobody understands that electric cars are the motorkutschen of our time.

>>131641220
>more expensive
>uglier designs
>toxic batteries
>low autonomy
>electricity comes mainly from fossil fuel

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>>131646925
Pretty much man, I love driving myself.

>>131647174
Well hello, Kissinger, you sure are full of energy in your old age to search this site.

Whoever owns this opinion, let me tell you: This is why Hitler hated Jews.

>>131642560

>calling fake news on 4chan
lmao get the fuck out summerfag

>>131646806
>have a 2005 F250 with a 6.0 in it and 150k miles
>16mpg with all stock parts, like it was straight from a dealer
>install an EGR delete kit and clear the ecm
>fuel mileage jumps up to 22mpg

For a vehicle that finally bit the dust at 600k miles, that's a fucking massive amount of fuel that would have been wasted without deleting the EGR system.
Lets do the math
16mpg for 450k miles is 28,125 gallons of fuel total
22mpg for 450k miles is 20,454.54 gallons of diesel
By throwing out the EGR system on a single vehicle, 7,670.46 gallons of diesel were saved.

>>131641784
>I'm not sure they are that much more environmentally friendly

They are not really that much better for the environment because the battery has to be charged using fossil fuels when it plugs in. Unless you charge on a solar grid or hydro, some coal plant somewhere is releasing some amount of greenhouse gas to get the electricity so you can drive without emissions. Depending on where you live they could be, but for the most part that energy has to come from somewhere. People forget that if you use electricity from the plug somewhere pollution is probably being generated to get that electricity.

>>131641220

We dont

>>131647721
I should say though that those gallons of diesel saved were over the span of a decade, but still that's more than a drop in the bucket if you're an ecofag

>>131641220
They're shitty and the electricity that you use to charge them up came from fossil fuels so they don't make any sense.

Why do you put forth a strawman and false premise and make a whole new thread based upon these logical fallacies? Does it bring you joy to get free (You)'s?

>>131647784
Gasoline is its own fuel, sure some carbon footprint is generated in the refining and drilling for oil but it contains its own energy. Batteries must be charged using energy from somewhere else.

>>131647453
Just telling it like it is.

Also, Hitler praised Islam so I really don't care.

Its thermodynamics, energy has to come from somewhere and the amount of dirty electricity used to charge the battery is the same amount you get out of it.

>>131646925
Why? There is a major potential for abuse, but the massive boost to productive abilities across the globe is just too good to pass up imo. The trucking industry would be slammed and that sucks for truckers, but the costs of so much shit would drop along with the cost of transporting goods. Transportation is one of the largest bottlenecks to massive-scale production, too. Whittling away at that behemoth is a good thing

>>131646024
Didn't address the second part did you.

All the environmentalists advocating electric cars would sooner smash their iPhones than admit we'd need far more nuke to provide for it. The entire population changing to electric transportation would increase electricity demand to unprecedented degrees that there would be no virtue-signalling compatible way to meet.

>>131645316
What else ya dumb burger

>>131647721
An EGR is only here to reduce the combustion temperatur and so the NOx

>>131641220
fuck electric cars. gas as fuck.

>>131647784
Daddy Elon says generators powering the grid are more efficient then vehicle.

Also , hydro master race.

>>131648065
It isn't a far stretch to invest a couple thousand into solar panels and a battery bank in order to generate the energy in a cleaner way. Now, if it's true that solar panels are ultimately more costly to generate than the energy they can maximally produce then ecofags are shit out of luck lol

>>131648429
Regardless of their purpose, the result is the same dipshit. Major loss in fuel mileage and so many mechanical issues that it just isn't worth the hassle. Any vehicle I get is going to receive a full EGR delete along with an aftermarket chip. It might cost more upfront, but the vehicle will last longer and take up less fuel overall

>>131642508
>You fuckers don't think these things are powered by solar, wind, hydro and pixie dust, do you?
>hydro
mine is :^)

>>131644642
I've driven electric too. The main issue is the lack of feedback. No noise, no vibration, everything is done by sight and instrument read outs. Feels remarkably less involved and natural.

>>131648541
>Also , hydro master race.
Not feasible for most of the world. Neither is geothermal, or really even wind and solar. Too much outlay, upkeep, and square footage, not enough output.

If you're boosting electric cars, and not nuclear power, idk what's wrong with you. Also the convo can't be had without focusing on sourcing the rare earth elements and where products are manufactured, by who, and how they're transported.

I think the electric fags will be surprised to see that blood lithium will make blood diamonds pale in comparison.

>>131642508
Reduce dependence on foreign pixie power!

>>131641784
I like the instant torque, but that doesn't mean we must charge cars for 8 hours a day and only be able to drive up to 100 miles before requiring said charging time.
It may be more fuel efficient on the long term, but it isn't environmentally friendly to build them.
Honestly if electric cars were just hybrids with capacitors and a big electric motor or two for highway cruising and optional 4WD, there'd be nothing wrong with them. Instead they're this big eco fad with more problems than they're worth.

There's also hydrogen, but that's even more complicated thanks to the physics involved. Good luck with those compressed tanks, and the conversion process demands an excessive efficiency loss from production of the fuel all the way to using it.

Realistically, we're stuck with petrol. Maybe in 50 years we'll see a thorium-powered prototype. Who knows.

>>131648586
yup pretty much. I like the idea of elon musks solar shingles, they are pretty cool. Im not against green energy, but many many people don't understand how it works and why its hard to be energy efficient.

I read a story about these new energy producing speed bumps burgerking installed in their drive-thru. The car had to drive over the bump, it would press down, creating energy. The problem is, its not green at all, its powered by gasoline from the car. The exact amount of energy generated from pushing down the speed bump with the car was expelled from the vehicle needing extra energy to drive over the speed bump. They would have to have the drive-thru downhill in order for it to make more energy than it takes to operate.

>>131648065
>amount of dirty electricity used to charge the battery is the same amount you get out of it
It must be less else we'd heave perpetuum mobile

>>131648997
yeah you are right actually, it loses energy because its impossible to contain all that energy and operate a car without any energy loss from heat soak, friction, etc.

>>131648846
>I think the electric fags will be surprised to see that blood lithium will make blood diamonds pale in comparison.
you seriously think people who buy electrical cars buy them for the environment/slavery reasons? kek

>>131648974
>Burger king is now taxing their drive through via siphoning energy from their consumers' vehicles

Fucking lmao that's the most jewish thing I've read all day

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>>131641220
They don't. They hate subsidies

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>>131648065
>talks about thermodynamics
>implies a car battery can last forever

>>131649153
No, I think they're toys for people with too much money and too little sense, as I've said.

>>131648065
In electrics, a small amount of the energy is lost in resistance. This resistance is measurable in heat and is part of why batteries wear out.

>>131647879
Nuclear + Electric Cars = <3

>>131649190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRTuDNJ5a4

I can't find an article about how it doesnt work, I think my physics professor talked about it in class back in 2009 actually.

>>131649258
I wasn't trying to imply that, I dont need to explain everything, I was just trying to get the point across that energy from batteries comes from somewhere else its not just magically in there. You are right, and most people know why perpetual motion machines arent possible.

>>131649465
True, I knew that actually but it slipped my mind. Just remembering some shit from physics lectures in college 8 years ago so I'm rusty.

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>>131649568

Because it's a boondoggle by the left for more government control and theft of the people's rights
Also it's another step twords a star trek future and republic as shit as they are know that a star trek future would be the most boring thing to ever exist

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>>131648394
That barely matters in a gas car though. The car mainly runs on oil products not coal.

>>131649568
Tiny as fuck thorium MSR in my hatchback pls
I want 1000 niggawatts in my front wheels.

>>131641220
>Why do Republicans hate electric cars?
Because they are overpriced and total shit, and feed the delusions of leftist retards who don't understand where electricity and batteries come from.

>>131643445
Not even remotely the same thing faggot
You can charge your phone anywhere
Car charger will be mandated by the city and local and even federal government and they will decide if you can use them or not
My dad sent me an article in 2011 of an EU mandate that more or less said when electric cars become the norm they will have street lamps with chargers for your car and the local government with switch off your power to charge someone else's car at night even if you want to charge your own.
They also said police will have access to shut your car off as they please(fucking Toyota and some OnStar policies already do this for the cops if they call and ask

>>131648760
Our country is 36% Nuclear, (could be 100, but we sell it to Austria and Croatia,) 21 Coal, 36 Hydro.

>>131643930
I will never buy a car newer than 2004 and I've yet to own one newer than 1996 so you are wrong

>>131647950
What would happen when your enemies run out of the resources that you want

>>131648778
That's the whole point
They want you to embrace the feeling of nothingness and lack of involvement so when they push driverless cars world wide you won't be opposed to it because you've forgotten what driving a car even felt like.

>>131651686
You fall back on your reserves while your enemy fights among themselves.

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Yessss yesss good goyims! Electric cars are bad. Only gas powered is feasible.

>>131651400
>My dads told me you're wrong!

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>>131651226
>niggawatts
That is a meme I haven't heard in a long time, a long time

>>131651801
>not loving the ICE
Guess how we all know you're a bus rider?

>>131651686
We use our reserves and let them have fun mixing vegetable oil.

>>131641220
They don't hate electric cars. They hate being forced to use technology that is inferior to what they currently have.

When electric cars are better than gas cars, they will switch to electric.

>>131651806
>Tfw actually have a close friend that was raised by two homos
>One of the coolest guys I know
>Gets laid constantly for looks + he's a body paint artists and owns a slutty costume shop that's huge
>Have never met another straight person like him that was raised by gays that wasn't a giant flaming homo
Question Anon, have you ever met a homo that drives an electric car? I have legitimately never met one

>>131651801
>Yessss yesss good goyims! Electric cars are bad. Only gas powered is feasible.
Again, you clearly don't know where electricity and batteries come from.

We should kill the sand-niggers and take over the oil fields in the Middle East. Who fucking cares what kikes think of that.

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>>131641220
I'd be ok with them if we greatly increased our nuclear energy capacity.
Not that I'll stop driving a gas vehicle course. Vroom vroom.

>>131642081
The problem there is not necessarily oil but the existing auto manufacturers who restrict the free market by not allowing car sales without a dealership. Tesla skips the dealership model to help keep that middle man cut off the sale out of the picture.

So in the end it's job protectionist laws that restrict how does are done in the market. I smell lobbyists looking to control the market here.

>>131652701
Why nuclear? We're on the verge of cheap grid-scale energy storage, and solar prices have continued to fall through the floor.

>>131648681
So is it worth buying new cars today or in the near future?

>>131641220
I'm fine with coal powered cars I mean electric cars

>>131651105
That's a copper mine.
Lithium is extracted from salt flats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkdtNCWneeA

>>131649773
>product available in 2010
Guess it didn't workout

>>131641220
This isn't about them being Republican. These guys are the sons of an oil baron. They don't know shit about doing anything else, so they are threatened by electric cars because they will lose a shit ton of money when electric eventually takes over in a couple decades.

I don't know why anyone wouldn't want an electric car desu. A one-off investment and you're no longer reliant on (((oil))) - over the space of a few years you'll save thousands on petrol costs. Now they just need to (a) extend the range of how far you can drive per charge and (b) make some less shitty looking cars (Teslas are the only nice-looking electric cars at the moment, and their meme-tier and expensive as fuck).