>plant based diet proven to be optimal for human health >wasting

I dont do it for any sort of philosophical or animal rights reasons, but I have cut down to only eating meat to 1x per week, and must say I feel physically much better. I still love red meat, but now only use it to reward myself usually on the weekends. It's amazing how what you eat can affect you physically, mentally, emotionally.

>>131616050
>he believes the meat gives you cancer meme

Bahahaha *breathes in* hahahahaha what a cuck

>>131616050
I've met 2 vegans in my life. They were the scrawniest faggiest weaklings I have ever met. I don't believe you OP

>>131616293

I agree, my eczema completely went away after cutting out dairy and eating more vegetables. The simple fact is that the factory farms are not sustainable, people don't need to eat nearly as much meat as they do if any at all.

>>131616399
>he doesn't believe basic biochemistry
whoa fella

Enjoy your hairline getting destroyed.

>>131616516

There's no correlation between veganism and hair loss, and people who eat nutrient dense plant based diets actually have less chance of hair loss from the anti inflammatory effects of the foods they eat

Is there anything more dishonest than a vegetarian burger?
Thy tastebuds and your stomach will be not deceived: God cannot be mocked.
Eat actual vegetarian food instead of gay ass wannabe "burgers."

>>131616725
A good veggie burger tastes better than a meat burger, meat actually tastes like shit by itself. If humans were meant to eat meat as a main food source we would be able to jump on a cow or chicken and eat it right there.

Why wouldn't you go vegan?
"Cos it tastes nice"
I bet you smoke/do drugs/drink too you degenerate.

>>131616627

Cool, but reality is reality. When you realize 95% of veggies have estrogen mimicking properties, and that too much fiber (or any, actually) feeds gut bacteria thus increasing inflammation, it'll be too late. Enjoy my nigga.

>>131616865
so what if they did?

>>131616802
>t. never found a cow crushed under a hickory tree that fell over from lightning and is burning
no salt or spices here cunt

>>131616899

You do know that most of the meat you consume is pumped full of hormones that does far more damage to you than soy and veggie estrogen which doesn't actually affect you at all

>>131616050
We eat what we want to eat.

What's your problem buddy?

Plant based diets are one of those inconvenient redpills that /pol/ types have a hard time accepting

>/pol/ is all about western traditionalism
>plant-based diets have been common throughout asia but not so common in the west until recently
>muh steak culture
>muh ancestors were hunters
>muh western diet

>>131616956
Then they're degenerate.

>>131617216

He's one of those types who can't stand the idea of anyone else enjoying themselves.

>>131616500
It's statistically higher that you'll get in a car crash and die than getting cancer from eating meat. Guess you don't drive any vehicles, huh?

>>131616802
>meat actually tastes like shit by itself
opinion. most vegetables taste like shit.
Also, humans can eat raw meat (has to be fresh of course.)

>>131616899

> too much fiber (or any, actually) feeds gut bacteria thus increasing inflammation

The opposite actually. The gut can contain good or bad bacteria. Fiber helps the growth of good bacteria that eat fiber and turn it into anti-inflammatory compounds like butyrate and propionate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070119/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17569118

>>131616050
>>plant based diet proven to be optimal for human health

no lol

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>be vegan
>calcium deficient
>vitamin B deficient
>wasted body from lack of essential aminos and conplete proteins

Fuck off.

>>131616050
Go back to /ck/, your bullshit won't work here where time and time again we see articles about retarded vegans killing their children with vegan only diets.

>>131617309

he's a dumbfuck socialist vegan, of course hes a busrider

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>>131617354

I grew up eating this. Delicious. Only problem is that afterwards, it makes you sleepy.

just in here to say to my fellow whole food oil free vegans

take the intact grain redpill

seeya

Pol is full of dumb meatheads

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>>131616050
Every single vegan I've ever met was pale, effeminate, and spoke with a lisp. And they're either scrawny and weak or morbidly obese, yet they tell everyone else how much healthier they are.

>>131617724

For every vegan SJW numale, there's 20 who eat meat

>>131617724

The three or four that I knew all became vegans because they hooked up with some crazy bitch who was into that shit and went along for the pussy. After the inevitable break-up, they all went back to being carnivores with a vengeance.

>>131616050

If you want to grow larger and develop muscle mass then veganism is out the window (and vegetarianism is challenging.)

Considering you need 1g of protein for every pound you WANT to weigh (inb4 some pseudoscientific livestrong article saying protein is a myth), you're looking at around 150g of protein a day.

The only way to get that much protein in a day is fish, chicken, dairy. Don't give me any of that bullshit about eating an industrial sized bag of peanuts or a costco crate of legumes. Peanuts and legumes have too many calories for the few grams of protein they provide.

If you want to be /fit/ drinking milk, lifting weights, and eating lean white meat is the best way to go.

> vegan
> conspiracy theorist
We've got a combo here.

>>131617869

ok?

>if you give up a bunch of shit you love forever you may or may not live a couple years longer
Lol

>>131617458
N-n-natty amirite guys? G-g-guys?

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>>131616725
Idk senpai black bean burgers are the shit, only vegan food I'd tolerate

>>131617869
Every SJW breathes air too, what's your point? Doesn't change the fact that every vegan is a faggot with visible health problems and a superiority complex.

>>131617922

So it's a moot point.

>I met a vegan and he was a cuck!

And all the other cucks you've seen?

>they eat meat!

And your point?

>vegans are cucks!

>>131616050
>plant based diet proven to be optimal for human health
No it's not proven. Can you give a source to this that also explains how eskimoes survive?
(And explain how you get B12 from regular plants.)

Left wing shill need to post on the correct board, unless you want to talk about how the grain industry is subsidized with tax payers money and why it must stop.

>>131616802

>meat actually tastes like shit by itself.

A little salt goes a long way but I'll gladly eat meat from the barbecue with literally nothing on it.

>>131618068

Someone noticing that all vegans are cucks isn't magically invalidated by some other cucks. Take your b12 supplement retard.

>>131616050
Where are all you faggots coming from?

I've never seen so many retarded threads on the first page.

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>>131616050
B12
You can't get it from plants and you die without it.
A true vegan diet is literally lethal.

>>131618068
You will never find a physically fit, masculine vegan.

>>131617976

You can learn to and discover other things to love, there's so much food that isn't meat and alternatives to anything. I personally never had a big attachment to meat, other than I ate it because that's what everyone does before I got redpilled on the things I put in my body. It's also not just a couple years, the quality of your life is so much better when you feel healthy and aren't a weighed down sickened blob of shit

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>>131616050
shill thread

>>131617512
desu I hope he's a bike rider so when a car hits him he'll have a higher chance of dying.

>>131616802
What's your point? Most veggies taste like shit by themselves too.

I literally only put salt on my steaks, and that's just to tenderize them, and they taste amazing.

>>131618077

>Can you give a source to this

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

> that also explains how eskimoes survive?

That's it. They just "survive." Their life expectancy has always been terrible.

B12 you can supplement like most people do with vitamin D, or swap dairy milk for almond milk.

You cant just live on plants,mate.
I have tried it,you have to eat meat twice a weak to be healthy.

>>131616399
>has to breath in after a 'bahahaha'
Go get some exercise. You're making us look bad.

>>131618188
http://newsciencereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MusclemanPatrikBaboumian.jpg

>people eating meat since millions of years
>1900 kicks in
>hurr durr vegan is best life form
>durr hurr meat kills us
>rruh rrud meat give cancer

It is NOT meat, it is the shit they put into meat/food general

>>131618443

>roidy magoo
>not a competitive strongman
>never held a record that mattered

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>>131616050

Because steak, hamburgers, italian sausage, hot dogs, milkshakes, cakes, bacon, yogurt, ice cream, cheese, sloppy joes, chili, chocolate milk and Taco Bell are fucking delicious and no feminized vegan alternative comes even CLOSE to matching the real motherfucking deal.

>>131618530

also lmao @ linking a picture on 4chan

>>131618443
You will never find a fit masculine male that isn't roiding out of his ass*

Visit /fit/ sometime.

>>131616802
You can eat meat raw.The point of cooking meat is to get additional nutritions from it by cooking it.
Cooking meat made homo sapiens sapiens able to supply energy to grow a bigger brain.

Vegeterian/vegan diets are also a scam. The moment you can no longer import exotic plants or grow them in a greenouse and manufacture supplements you are doomed to be skinny and short.

We are meant to eat sea creatures and small game in servings sizes appropriate for small animals shared amongst a family. Snakes, birds, marmots, and moles. Trout and salmon, squid, pike and herring. That includes frying their eggs and boiling their bones. Coincidentally, this is how our ancestors lived. A roast goat is an extravagant feast. A roast fish and a handful of plant matter is an ordinary meal.

Red meat just happened to be easy to get, plentiful, and cheap in many environments where other meats were lacking - up until we started farming it instead of hunting megafauna - at which point it became dreafully inefficient instead of the best return on your risk and investment a hunter could get.

>>131616802
>meat tastes like shit by itself

Depends on the animal. I've had some pretty damn good straight chicken, grilled over propane, without a drop of oil or a grain of salt.

Also half of all edible plants taste like shit by themselves. Thank god we evolved pre-digesting our food with fire and assembling complex diets out of multiple ingredients. Imagine having to live like a cow or a tiger. That would fucking suck.

>>131616050
why does it always have to be a "burger" for you amerifats?
do you know how unhealthy is the oil that vegan patty is deep fried in? do you know how unhealthy those sauces are? do you think that bun is healthy because it's sprinkled with some bran?
when are you going to learn to cook healthy pot meals? in some water and vegetables in their own juice, on low heat?

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>>131618188

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdTc2Gv52uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pkujsfX7zo

>>131616293
True that I'm poor so I'm technically a vegetarian
All I really eat is potato chips and pretzels with water
With the occasion slim Jim when I get hungry for meat and I have 50 cents

>>131618508

People have been doing stupid shit and enslaving eachother forever as well, it doesn't mean it's productive and good. Ever here the story of Man's fall, eating meat might have something to do with that, Man's need to dominate in order to satisfy the ego and feel powerful.

>>131617233
>plant-based diets have been common throughout asia but not so common in the west until recently
Asians eat fish though not just rice. It is true that fish is way better for you than meat.

>>131618553

The vegan alternatives are usually better, you just have an emotional attachment to the food you're used too

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>>131618443

>posting a link to an image on 4Chan
>not having a dedicated folder for reaction images and screen caps

Get out normie.

>>131618707
>american education

>>131618756

All vegan diets are plant-based, not all plant-based diets are vegan

>>131618760
no lol

>>131618695
>poor
>pretzel,chips, the most expensive potato

>>131618756

Fish is meat, but as far as meat goes you're better off with only fish, but even then there's a lot of pollution that get's into the fish

>>131616050
Hey Fucko,
I'm supposed to get 196 grams of protein a day and eat 4000 calories. Do you have any idea how many fucking lentils and tofu that would be? My Jaw would have to be as big as a chimpanzee cause I'd be chewing fucking lentils all day.

www.iifym.com
6'2" 200lb

>>131618988
eat oats and nuts you idiot

>>131618881
Have you ever eaten Vegan food? Most of the stuff is bursting with flavor, it's meat that's flavorless

>>131616050
Looks yummy.

Recipes, OP?

Marinated onions and bread and patties and cucumber but what else?

>>131619056

Yes I have eaten vegetables.

Fuck you all for making me so god damn hungry

>>131619018
that would be a literal kilogram of almonds a day

>>131619018
If you filled up a gallon milk jug with almonds that would be less than you would need to eat per day to get enough protein

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>>131617917
>1g of protein meme

This has been proven as complete bullshit every time. How do you believe this bodybuilding bro science garbage anon? It's not about 1g of protein, it's about food timing, lifting intensity, and sleep. Yes, you STILL have to eat a surplus in calories but our bodies are evolved to respond to environmental pressures. It's not that complicated retard, read a fucking science book once in a while, stop reading articles written by bodybuilding champions because they're all on massive amounts of steroids.

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>>131618760

Stop lying to yourself, they're fucking gross

>>131616050
Also a veggie, just don't get tricked into the soy meme. (((They're))) behind it.

>>131618988

>believing "protein calculators" on weightlifting sites sponsored by\run by supplements companies

Most bodybuilders use whey protein shakes, etc. You can get Sunwarrior Protein which is absorbed better and is much healthier.

>>131619405
www.iifym.com

>t. scrawny guy who hangs out in the gym locker room with his dick out telling people that you don't really need to eat much protein to gain weight

>>131619480

Which supp company runs IIFYM?

>>131619529
I don't believe I said you don't need much protein, I said you don't need 1g per pound. So you're dumb

>>131619324
mix it up.
You can cut your nuts into the oats.
Eat later couple of lentils, black beans and maybe some tofu if you want. Bananas help also.

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Stop it H.
Here, have a cookie.

>>131618337
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
Oh, it's a wannabe "meta-study" - cherry picking results from various sources to come to a political conclusions.

Fuck... I was actually interested in see some progress in the field of nutrition.
You should really trigger on words like "this article" and someone who claims eating pills (for B12) is a natural human diet and has been ever since the first pill factories were constructed 140.000 years ago.

>eskimoes terrible life expectancy.
Just like many fruit devouring people like pygmees and some other African tribes that pretty much exclude meat?

>>131619480
The sports medicine center at my college put me onto the website, they're very widely used equations. I take 30g of muscle mlik protein a day, I get 90% of my requirements from real food like chicken and eggs and yogurt and steak

>>131619565
>Bodybuilding and Jay Cutler

You've been Jewpilled anon

>>131617458
that lightbulb head, the fetal alcohol syndrom is strong with this one

>>131616050
b-b-b-but muh B12!!!!!!!!

>>131619736

What?

>>131616050

Were you the guy that posted the vid with the jewish guy talking about heart disease?

>>131619778

nah, just veganism

>>131619781
Not you, my response to the guy asking who owned iiyfm

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>>131616725
>Talking about hamburgers, vegan ones
>God cannot be mocked
>God cannot
>God cannot even
>God

KEK

The problem is we need to much meat.
We still need it, just not the amounts we scarf down.

>>131618508
The main thing that changed was a wheat/carb centric diet. Nobody 50,000 years ago saw a wheat plant and thought to themselves: "Man that grain stalk looks delicious, im gonna eat that"

Eating meat gives you the macro-nutrients (protein, fat, cholesterol).
Eating Veggies and Fruits give you the micro-nutrients (fiber, antioxidants, vitamins)

>Dont be retarded, eat your meats AND veggies/fruits, stay away from wheat.

>>131619964
Exactly, we're the only primates that cannot synthesize certain aminos. That's mostly why other primates are jacked by eating twigs and berries.

>>131619989
Paleo

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>>131618784
>only one folder for reaction images and screencaps

>>131619695

>Oh, it's a wannabe "meta-study" - cherry picking results from various sources

Shallow accusation.

>You should really trigger on words like "this article" and someone who claims eating pills (for B12) is a natural human diet and has been ever since the first pill factories were constructed 140.000 years ago.

Appeal to nature fallacy. Times have changed since the stone age, we use technology to adapt to our current lifestyles.

>Just like many fruit devouring people like pygmees and some other African tribes that pretty much exclude meat?

What do african tribes have to do with anything? Someone else brought up Eskimos to make a point with, I didn't. I think it's a stupid way to argue.

>>131616050
>explain why


freedom, eat whatever you want and I'll do the same

>>131616399

Bahahaha *breathes in* hahahahaha *breathes in* what *bites burger* a *breathes in* cuck *has heart attack*

>>131620031

>we're the only primates that cannot synthesize certain aminos

Any source on that? There's no essential amino acid that isn't found commonly among plant foods

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>>131620102
Bahahaha *breathes in* hahahahaha *breathes in* what *bites nothing cuz rebolution has gome gomerade :DD* a *breathes in* fug *dies from starvation*

>>131618179
True.


But its good not too eat too much meat especially not all the shitty supermarket and fast food meat you get thrown after you everwhere you go, eat meat 1-2 times a week, get it from a farmer or some farmers market i dont know. I live outside of cologne germany and i have a real "bio" farmer who sells me meat. reminds me, I have about 22 kg of all kinds of beef meats in my freezer.
I shall bbq this weekend.

>>131616050
Plants are lesser life forms you fucking idiot.

>>131617525
Two questions:
1) Is it supposed to be raw?
2) Is that a patty or is diced meat smushed together?

Watch some Vegan channels, like Vegan Gains, Nutrition Facts and Corey McArthy

>>131620241
Damn right

>>131620150
Sure you can eat it but I meant we can't naturally synthesize certain amino acids with our bodies.

The nine amino acids humans cannot synthesize are phenylalanine, valine, threonine, tryptophan, methionine, leucine, isoleucine, lysine, and histidine (i.e., F V T W M L I K H). ... Five amino acids are dispensable in humans, meaning they can be synthesized in the body.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid

I don't eat meat for the nutrients, veggiecuck.

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>>131620314
Its steak tartare you mong.
Finely chopped, or better put cut beef with an egg yolk, salt, pepper, onion and other shit.
Classic is bit of ketchup,onion,salt,pepper nicely mixed and topped with the egg yolk.

Its supposed to be raw, its delicious and its french.

We germans have something in that vein too.
Mettbrötchen. Raw pork mince with herbs on a bun topped with copious amounts of diced white onions and loads of salt and pepper

>>131616725
>a vegetarian burger

No such thing.
It's a dildo for your grocery hole.

No one would hate vegans if they could just STFU for 5 seconds and eat their salad.

>>131616050
You are 100% correct sir.

>>131620544
> Raw pork

Enjoy your trichinosis kraut

>>131618508
It's the amount of shit processed meat you (Germans especially) eat, and lack of exercise. Yeah we've been eating meat for millions of years, but not every meal, not even every day. And we had to work a lot harder to get the meat.

>>131617094
>doesn't actually affect you at all
You actually believe this? Unless you are East Asian or Hapa, you should stay the fuck away from soy if you're a male. Only they have the proper enzyme for it.

>>131619631
Tofu makes you sick.Dont eat anything that touches soy.

>>131620730
Soy is loaded with estrogen. A lot of those super wimpy vegans eat tons of it. At those levels it's harmful

>>131620589
>trichinosis
Sorry I live in the first world(granted we wont be for long anymore thanks to the merkelnator). not the us. its completly fine to eat fresh pork mince here. Its made daily anyways and thrown out if it doesnt sell ( they have to do so by law)

You probably eat your steak well done too right?
And spinach and broccholi are yucky and your chocolate milk tastes best through a bendy colorful straw eh?

>>131620779
So stop eating meat?

>>131620087
>Claims the study to be fact not an "article" as it itself states.
It's so slanted it's scary.

Take Diabetes type 2 for example. The only scientifically proven diet that reduces blood sugar is by removing/reducing carbohydrates/sugar from your diet.
These clowns claim they find a man who got better thanks to plants.
(And 15 min/day exercise plus medication, but the agenda contributes it all to plants)

This is what they write in their conclusion: "Further research is needed to find ways to make plant-based diets the new normal for our patients and employees."

Notice how they don't want to evolve the science? Get more facts?
They want more study to push plant-based diets. I guess grain industry lobbying, or people tricked by lobbyists.

Nutrition hasn't "evolved", our bodies aren't that much different from 1000 years ago. Only lack of exercise and compensating with medication is the real difference. So I don't trust a diet you need pills for in order to survive.

>>131620799
I can't stand steak actually Hans.

I eat red meat from time to time but I don't trust raw meats.

>>131616050
Lmao faggot i love eating animals
i hope the dumbass cows were mistreated
stay low T stay small stay flacid

>>131620670
We have some of the highest quality meats and sausages and all that in the world you fuck.
Its not bad for you, its good. Just dont eat 500gr of meat a day.

>>131620544
Damn. I'm a mong now because I never thought to leave the egg I fried and ate on top of my burger raw. Oh well, at least I had the right idea of not letting a horde of wild apes into my country.

>>131616802
>tastes better than a meat burger
vegans are mentally ill

>>131620818
Well,i dont have bigcity problems,i know what my meat eats and its not soy.
Also you should not stop eating meat in any way,you need meat twice a weak to be really healthy,but not more.

>>giving yourself cancer because it's normal
Life gives you cancer. memes give u cancer. damn near everything gives you cancer

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I went ahead and tried several vegan shit that they sell in supermarkets to get an idea how it tastes. The end result was that it's not really disgusting but not tasty either. I went back to making tasty salads when I get sick of meat once in a while.

>>131620797
Soy is not loaded with estorgen, it has very weak plant estrogens called phytoestrogens, that do not affect men's hormone levels

>>131620896
Because they are already there mr 56%

>>131616050
>>giving yourself cancer because it's normal
The most potent carcinogenic known to man is found in the peanut.

>>131616050
Love me some alfalfa sprouts. I put that shit on everything.

>>131620854
low t says the meat eater hahah

>>131620779
there are many alternatives to tofu if you dislike it.

>>131620950
Good for you. Most people eat meat every meal, and that meat has been fed a mostly soy based diet

>>131620989
Making tasty food from only vegetables is an art and specialized for the invididual taste.Vegetables can handle a lot more spice than meat.

>be atheist
>need secular religion to fill gaping void in life
>become communist or vegan
>read communist or vegan holy texts
>spend all day posting on forums convincing people to become communist or vegan, and editing wikipedia articles to say that humans are frugivores or capitalism kills more than communism

>>131621108
wtf?
Can you not cook? A soup with vegetables is easy as fuck and tasty

>>131621089
Here in Hungary triticale is the food eaten by cattle anyway.
I would like to bash the inventor of feed everything with soys head in with a hammer.
Soy is pure cancer.

>>131621088
Its not about disliking it.Its about tofu is made from soy, and soy is pure cancer for you.

>>131621277
> Soy in everything
> Made by Americans

Greedy American corporations actually

>>131616470
They may have been that way due to their Liberal ideology not necessarily veganism.

>>131620399

And we don't need to, because we eat food. That's the point of dietary protein. Every animal has some essential amino acids they get through diet.

>>131621350
Corporations are people my friend

>>131621265
I dont like soups.And i meant stuff like frittata,that needs to be experimented with to get you individual taste how you like it.
Just using a random recipe from the internet or cookbook is likely to not taste as you would like it.People are different,and like different tastes on a very wide scale.

>>131616050
Enjoy your lack of essential amino acids that you can't replace with vegan food, and your descent from being an omnivore to an herbivore, complete with the lack of a predator's brain. You give up more than you realize. The sad part is, is that as it happens you will realize it, but instead just doubledown on it because you just gotta prove something to somebody. Without your "fangs" you won't be able to understand the world of "fangs," of which you never left, but now you are at a major disadvantage.

>>131621350
They tried to promote soy here too,but soy cant compete with triticale in any way for cattle food.

>>131621498
It's shit tier, totally agree

>>131616050
this >>131616470

guys who unironically have kale and avacado meals are closeted gay men.

>>131621323
Why that?

>>131621437
Im on my phone so its hard to write a, detailed recipe. But come on, noodles with veggies is also awesome

>>131620842

>The only scientifically proven diet that reduces blood sugar is by removing/reducing carbohydrates/sugar from your diet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401

>>131621460

>Enjoy your lack of essential amino acids that you can't replace with vegan food

Which essential amino acid isn't found in plant foods?

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>>131621089
>that meat has been fed a mostly soy based diet

This faggot doesn't kill his own dinner.
>You're the faggot. I hunt my own free-range organic vegetables, in between trips to Starbucks for free-range, organic, hippie-certified tranny-safe diversity lattes.
>Viva la revolution

Reminder: Omnivores DON'T waste time squishing meet into vegetable shapes to pretend they're normal.

Shut the fuck up and eat your lettuce.

>>131621640
Very very true. I laid off carbs for a week and my blood pressure dropped considerably

Vegan AF for almost 2 years. Fuck the bluepilled, meat eating peasants.

>>131616802
>If humans were meant to eat meat as a main food source we would be able to jump on a cow or chicken and eat it right there.

And can you start munching on some grass like a cow? Humans don't digest cellulose, but we can digest meat.

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>>131621696

i dont get it. He has a fat head and a Auschwitz tier body

>>131621696
I'm not even a vegan. I have hunted, and fished, and raised pigs. MOST PEOPLE don't hunt their own food, they eat shit factory farmed meat. That's the problem you fucking idiot

>>131621008
>do not affect
BULLSHIT

>>131616050
I cant help but feel the jews are the ones pushing veganism on everybody.

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>>131620979
SHIT SHITPOASTING GIVES YOU CANCER, HOW MY GOD DIZ IZ AWFUL REEEEEEEEEEE

Dairy reminder that if you are male, protein based diets helps more than vegetable based diets

>>131620589
it's not pork you dimwit. you do realize burgers are beef, right?

srsly are all burgers this retardado?

>>131621970
The fucking guy said pork, what are you dumb?

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>>131621837
>I'm not even a vegan.

My mistake.
You whine like a vegan, so I just assumed.
Carry on with your badass non-vegan self.

>>131621930

How about vegetable protein based diets?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196

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>>131621636
For a start its hydrogenated stuff,and thats not good in any way for you.
Then it fucks with your thiroid and that fucks up your immune system hard.
Even asians dont eat soy if they can avoid,only the sauce is used.
You can find stuff about hormone stuff too,but that wont effect you directly,but the cattle thats feeded with soy.
There is a reason that large scale cattle growing is in need so hard for anti-biotics.The soy they feed it with fucks up the immune system.

>>131621970
>We germans have something in that vein too.
>Mettbrötchen. Raw pork mince with herbs on a bun topped with copious amounts of diced white onions and loads of salt and pepper
he said fucking pork

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>sister is a vegan
>cooks a lot of weird vegan food for family
>mmm... s-sure tastes good..
Who else knows this feeling?

Maybe eat a balanced diet?
You know, meat with vegetables and unprocessed grains here and there?
And keep to a healthy lifestyle and portions?

Or are we all going to descend into stupid arguments about going into one extreme to another in the stupid reactionary nature of diets in America?
>"paper published that eating too much carbs is bad"
>WELP! We'll just cut out carbs COMPLETELY!

>"Study shows shoveling nothing but meat into your mouth can lead to health problems"
>OMG, Meat is murder! No trace of animal protein will ever grace this mouth again!!!

>"Research says sticking 10 lbs of butter down your throat everyday can lead to heart disease"
>STOP EATING FATS! Cut fat out of diet and become healthy again!

Fuck all of you.

>>131621997
I do whine like a vegan, they have good points

>>131621808
thyroid problems, notice how slouched he is

>muh veganism

>>131621860
>do not affect
pretty sure it's true.

>>131621999
Meh. You might as well toss a salad while eating protein based meals.

>>131622068
>he isnt an extremist

pussy

>>131622068
>carbs
Is meat industry against grain
>meat is murder
Is greain industry against meat
>butter is bad
Is oil industry against butter

The sheep just repeat what they hear.It all starts with market manipulation with propaganda.

>>131621640
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401
So linking a study showing two different diets were pretty much equal is supposed to prove... what?

Double-blind placebo trials were created for a reason. Someone who goes on a special diet, controlled by doctors, are often prone to make other lifestyle changes as well, like skipping some candy bars. Consciously or not.

The cool thing with todays shitty sponsored science, is that for every study that "proves" one thing, you can find two that "proves" the opposite.

That's why your cherry-picking ilk has to go. You pushing an agenda, only serves to plunge science back to the dark ages.

Don't get me wrong. I have no qualms about you pushing yourself and your kids out of the gene-pool with some fundamentalistic diet, but when trying to get politicians to force it upon the world, you just ruin the world.

>>131616725
This

Also meat makes people taller and stronger.
Best proof, look at asians.
Little yellow men grew a lot in a few generations by eating meat.
Again, no personal experience or study beats mass empirical evidence.

Vegan is pure beta faggot food

>>131616050
Every vegan I've ever met is a tired, miserable cunt.

>>131621622
kale and avocado are alright though, but I just like it better alongside a good lean cut of beef

>>131622149
because I can actually use my brain a little, instead of being an idiot who follows trends blindly.

>>131622290
don't forget people who point towards examples of exceptions to the rules as their go-to for their life model
>"Well that 95 year old lady in the newspaper smokes 5 cartons of cigarettes and downs 3 bottles of whiskey everyday for 50 years and she's still outliving everybody! I'mma do that too!"

>>131622293

You said only one diet has been proven to reduce blood sugar, while providing no evidence. Now we see that at least 2 fairly high carbohydrate diets have been successful in managing diabetes, with the vegan diet beating out the mainstream diabetes diet.

Yeah yeah, science is all a big agenda and everything that goes against your totally objective beliefs is some cherry-picked shill paper that can be discarded

>>131622294
>Vegan is pure beta faggot food
And here is the truth!

Vegetarian people eating lots of eggs and drinking milk usually has no problems at all.

Pedantic vegans on the other hand, have shit for brains and lack of intelligence makes them emotionally want to convert the rest of the world to their stupidity beta-diet.

>>131622068
accurate lol

>>131622294
Only when the children eat cooked meat.
Roasting is inefficient compared to cooking it in a stew.
Eating a lot of meat will not make people taller.
Meaning if you have stopped growing it wont start grow you.

>>131616050
>plant based diet proven to be optimal for human health
As usual, by comparing industrial meat and fish filled with lead, with expensive organic vegetables.

People didn't get so many cancers 100 years ago.

You know what I am doing RIGHT NOW? I am eating a MASSIVE SLAB of bacon that I cut from a pig I killed and butchered myself. I am saving the head to toss into a mosque.

>>131616802
>I like veggieburgers better
>So everyone must like them better
Nice self projecting starving faggot

>>131622132
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
>Another study showed that infant boys born to vegetarian mothers had increased incidence of hypospadias (malformation of the male external genitalia)
So all you vegan cunts? When you have a son and his penis is all fucked up because "MEAT IS MURDER?" It's your own damned fault.

>>131622656
cheek meat

>>131622086
>they have good points

Like what?
Vegans act like insecure missionaries for a religion they don't completely believe.
If you need a parade to celebrate what you choose to shove into that hole in your face, you're probably an insecure faggot.

Vegans are pathetic.
They're like every other religion; so doubtful in their beliefs that they need everyone else to agree with them.
They chop up their salads and pretend it's a burger.
Just eat a salad, FFS.

A vegan, a pothead, a faggot, a feminist, and an atheist walk into a bar.

That was just one person.
Everyone knew because he wouldn't shut up all night.

>>131622647
Did the people live long enough to develope cancer?
In the past 1-300 years the life expectancy doubled at least.
Healthy industry got it up to the point where entropy starts happening in your cells.Cancer cells.

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>>131617309
>eating meat can lead to cancer and death
>"oh yeah, well this OTHER thing can ALSO cause death! There goes your argument!"

Were you trying to embarrass yourself?

>>131622809
The averages increased mostly thanks to medicine, otherwise there's been countless people in recorded history that were over a hundred years old.

People died of diseases, not eating meat.

>>131622692
The mudslimes can have it. Pissed off towelheads are worth it.

>>131622490
>Making claims about the greatness of plants as food.
To have a study against vegan/grain diets, would be like asking to do a study against global warming. It's political suicide.

You have to look at "Low Carb" diets, since they usually have to exclude that which grows in order to reduce intake of carbohydrates.
Example - https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Then you have to read what they actually ate to see if it could be called a "anti-vegan" diet. After that you have to check their findings.

Or studies on LCHF since it often focus heavily on meat and many followers remove all carbs but max 10 grams per day.
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/2/133.full?hootPostID=a1694aa357576ac22987da411ac91576
(But I don't recommend LCHF, so linking only to prove that there is scientific evidence for everything.)

In summary: You want people to eat the same shit you do. And no, we will not... and your lobbying to give more subsidized taxmoney to those corporations will hopefully fail.

>>131623391
I dont think anyone knows what the stats about people who have weak cells and entropy happens faster compared to who have cancer from enviroment like radiation,meat etc.
But i think after 40 its mostly entropy.

>>131616470
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>>131616050
fuck off faggot
http://ksfm.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/baby-almost-dies-from-being-fed-vegan-diet-parents-lose-custody/

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>>131618760
>vegan alternatives are usually better, you just have an emotional attachment to the food you're used too
you have an emotional attachment to the virtue signalling

>>131616050

Cow walks around eating grass and drinking rain water out of rain bins.

So much water and grass wasted!

LIBERALS AND VEGANS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!

>>131616050
Because its much easier to supplement the human diet with meat than teach retards how to properly balance their diet.
Your question implies you are woefully ignorant to the fact that more than half the population are below an IQ of 90 and the average is dropping every year and your question is only political if you plan on making it government policy making you a fucking fascist.

>>131624793

Most of them have shit colored skin.

The other Goys are to smart.

Smarter than the KIKES even.

>>131616050
>vegan diets lead to severe deficiencies and eventually death
>even vegans who use supplements have shorter life expectancy and poorer health than both moderate and heavy meat eaters

>>131618553
>Taco Bell
woah there, lets not get carried away

>>131616050
WHY IS IT SO MUCH BETTER TASTING?
IS MY TONGUE A LYING WHORE?

>>131624522
Well it is surface where crops could be grown.
>>131624907
Neither are interested in veganism and the only country I can think of that endorses it would be Tibetan and their literacy rate was not even a third and they were behind their Han overlords by something like 10 points or more but its probably got more to do with their former vegan overlords withholding education and literally enslaving them.

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>>131625314
Depends entirely on the meat and how it is made. I almost always turn vegetarian the moment I travel abroad because quite frankly 3rd worlders cook for nutrition not taste. So they throw in everything they can and make broths and the like.
I would always advise to cook yourself even if you arent in a 3rd world shithole.

>>131624237
O
MY
GOD
It's beautiful

>>131618553

>feminized vegan alternative

Enjoy yor mammal estrogens lad.

>american

Lmao, no wonder your country is literally the birthplace of cuck porn

>>131616050
>PROVEN
Look at all that proof.

10/10 made me respond.

>>131625900
>cook yourself even if you arent in a 3rd world shithole.
What are you talking about?

>>131618695
God I hope you're not memeing and this is your real diet.

>>131616050
Because meat is fucking delicious and vegans are smelly, weak cunts. OP is a faggot.

>>131616627
>nutrient dense
>vegan

Pick one. Man aquired a taste for meat because it was the most nutrient dense. People just eat like pigs now. Eat a balanced diet according to your ethnic biology. Fucking science deniers....

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>>131619292
Vegan food isn't only vegetables you retard moron.

>>131617917
>you need 1g of protein for every pound you want to weight
Retard detected, let's see how much this information has helped you in your "bodybuilding" journey, post your physique and lifts.

>>131617724
Lmao, let's see how you look you beta fucking cuck.
What's the matter, too pussy to stop eating mommy's tendies?

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>>131616470
you don't know what you're missing out on man, I thought it was a diet for cucks as well, until I became full vegan on a dare, in 12 days my asthma was under full control (basically stopped taking my medicine) my joints stopped hurting, my skin cleared up, and women started talking to me, I am not saying meat is bad, but whatever they're feeding factory farmed animals is killing us hombre, its not even up for debate, btw I've been doing powerlifting for years so I was terrified my strength would diminish, it didn't as long as I eat enough calories/protien form lentils nuts and beans.

>>131627330
Yes, you were eating garbage before you went vegan. You cleaned up your diet and saw results. Calorie restriction, macros, clean eating. If it doesn't look like actual food, don't eat it. AND, you must eat for your ethnic biology.

>>131622294
>Also meat makes people taller and stronger.
>Best proof, look at asians.
Holy shit you cannot be serious, I actually laughed my ass off at this.
Asians are shorter due to genetics mainly, diet maximizes you chances of reaching your genetic potential. Meat has exactly nothing special that makes people taller, stop being a fucking moron.

>>131622770
Look who's being insecure here, the fags spreading misinformation and bullshit stories or personal experiences like "YEAH? WELL I NEVER SAW A VEGAN THAT WAS MASCULINE".
You are pathetic, even when shown scientific evidence that your diet is inferior you still cling to it like some sort of retard cultist.

>>131624237
A baby also died because he was fed a gluten free omnivore diet, doesn't mean fucking shit now does it?
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/news/a44322/baby-dies-gluten-free-diet/

>>131627040
Let's see your lifts and physique then, I'm waiting.
All of you fucking faggots claiming physical superiority are most surely weak and skinny or fat and unathletic larping as chads.
You're all fucking pathetic.

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>>131626913
3rd worlders have a habit of being very unhygenic. If they touch your food with their bare hands you can rest assured that it now contains their excrements and traces of everything else they touched.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-street-food-test-restaurants-momos-contamination/1/440901.html

>>131628275
>Asians

Asians have gotten much taller but I would argue they are richer and simply have access to more food in general.

>>131628399
This of course also applies to 1st world countries.
>Researchers in London estimate that if everyone routinely washed their hands, a million deaths a year could be prevented
https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/fast_facts.html
And thats half the fucking population even in 1st world countries.
http://archive.is/pzWIy
Unless you are into eating other peoples shit I would advise you to prep your own food.

>>131616899
yeah why consume all those phytoestrogens when you can consume actual estrogen that's present in all animal protein! genius!

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>>131616050
The real red-pilled diet is RAW EVERYTHING. We all fell for the ((cooked)) food meme. I've been on a diet of raw meats for nearly a year now. Organ meats in particular have FAR FAR more micro-nutrients than muscle meat. Raw butter, raw milk, and most importantly raw meat (primary organ meat).

The only plant food I get is flax meal and some broccoli or riced cauliflower. I am never fucking hungry and my energy is top tier compared to a ((cooked)) food diet. My shit comes out so well refined that I do not even need to wipe dead fucking serious. More cum comes out of my cock as well.

You don't have to go super hard like this guy you can just blend your stuff up (make it almost patte texture) and it will rub off on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWDb77lq4wU

>>131617233
plant based diets were the norm all throughout the west too. most people couldn't afford to eat meat but once every week or couple of weeks.Europeans thrives on starches just like all other successful cultures.

>>131628448
True, asians in general just eat little protein in comparison to westerners, reason why they are usually seen as "weak" or "short".

Idk why some people actually use this argument in order to refute a vegan diet, since vast majority of asians are not vegan.
If you get enough protein in a vegan diet, you get all the potential benefits of a western diet and none of the negatives, and it is really easy to do this.

Broccoli
lentils
beans
kale
spinach
pumpkin/melon seeds
almond/peanut butter
Whole wheat bread
Hemp

These are merely the foods I use and I'm not even mentioning any soy based ones which people seem to fear so much.

>>131616050
>(((proven)))

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>>131616050
Plant based diet proven to be optimal for human health --> this is true,
no meat, dairy, cheese diet --> lol no

Lean and good quality meat is great for your health. The problem is that in developed countries (especially in USA) people are eating vast amounts of low quality red meat filled with tons of chemicals.

The whole "I stopped eating meat and I feel better" is a fucking meme.

Those tards who claim that just started to feed themselves properly instead of eating shitty fast foods or 3 meals filled with ton of cheese, slab of meat and thick gravy,

When I was on my bodybuilding diet, I was eating TONS of beef and chicken, alongside with rice, baked potatoes, groats and various greens. Sometimes it was even 1,5-2 kilograms of chicken daily. And I've never felt better in my life/ got myself tested after that, blood, choresterol, testosteron, all that kind of shit, Perfect scores.

Just read the labels, cook your own meals and don't eat shity fast foods.

A high quality, home made steak with a nice baked potatoes and salad is the best food there is and it is 100% healthy, don't believe those limp wristed vegan tards fool ya.

>>131616050
t.vegan weirdo lapping up bunk science and information and running around with (false) moral superiority since he's a loser with nothing else.

>>131617917
>be believed the 1g protons for ebery lb meme

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>>131617525
Eating Tatar

Mein Negger

>>131627165
Lmao, look at this manlet.
You're sub 6'0 and sub 200lbs, stop bragging.
Or I'll post pics and dwarf you, manlet.

>>131629279
I would argue the vegan diet is little more than another fad diet. Most of its benefits are from calorie restriction. Humans have actually evolved to starve a little. Fasting is good for us. A good number of vegans are junk food vegans that don't eat a clean or balanced diet anyway.

>>131623227
>This can KILL you!!1!!
>maybe, but the risk of death is lower than the risk most people assume everyday.
>HOW IS THAT RELEVANT? WHY YOU STUPID?!!!1

Keto is the true redpill.

>>131617724
Frank Medrano would probably convince you otherwise.
Ever vegan you ever met was obviously incapable of a proper diet and I know this sounds like a "commuism just wasnt tried correctly" but unlike with that delusion its true.
It is however more complex than shoving whatever you want inside you which is why most vegans are abject failures but then again its percentage wise no higher than with any other group of people.

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>>131617458
It's funny how a vegan has to train 10 years to accomplish what a meat-eater achieves in 1 year(if both are natty ofc.)

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>>131616050
You will never defeated the Jewish memes supporting the animal food product industries. Only when the bloodlines have been snuffed will these demons be vanquished.

>Jew magic too strong

>>131629623
>no pics

oh man I'm laughing so hard

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>>131617917
>If you want to be /fit/
>drinking milk

hello there /fit/ newfriend :)

>>131616050
>Veggie burger so bland, it needs five different sauces to give it flavor

>>131616050
Meat and dairy are not a problem. They turn out to be one when they're corn fed and stuffed into closed spaces with zero exercise and grass.
Ther produce toxic products.
Go find a farmer that looks out for his livestock good you'll get products that can literally cure your fatty liver, vitamin b and k diffesiencies.
Otherwise avoid mass produced carciroggen ridden shit.

Because I fucking love murder. I'm gonna go make a smoked pork ham sandwich now because you are such a cuck, this is a damn fine cut I got as well.

>>131629673
>Most of its benefits are from calorie restriction. Humans have actually evolved to starve a little.

I'm sure most animals have evolved enough in order to survive starvation. You're already fasting while you sleep.
And yeah, many(I guess there are a lot of them, desu I have never interacted with any) vegans eat trash, but mainly because they have no self control, it's not something that's prerequisite in a vegan diet.
A better term to use would be "whole foods plant based vegan diet" but as you can see it is far too specific for an already small demographic.

>>131630247
>Non vegan, non jew memed view

Rare

>>131621622
Kale and avocado are tasty and nutritious. I love a good salad for lunch before having a nice cheese & bacon burger for dinner

>>131616050
>proven
((()))
sagetta

>>131616050
Now if you didn't try to shove it down my throat and go all holier than thou, maybe I would divert my limited energy on trying it out, instead of ignoring you.

>>131616050
>>wasting enormous amounts of real food and water to produce a burger
>real food

Go eat grass like a fucking cow and see how that goes.

>>131630519
>Now if you didn't try to shove it down my throat and go all holier than thou
Sorry, do you need a safe space on the internet muh dude?

>if you weren't so mean to me maybe I would try a vegan diet
No you wouldn't, you and I both know that this isn't true.
You wouldn't do shit, you already admit that trying a vegan diet takes energy, when all you have to fucking do is walk to a different section at the local supermarket. Honestly if this presents a challenge to you then please consider handing over your man card.

Fucking hell, some of the people here seem like total fucking pussies.

>>131629330
Correct. People were eating garbage before, went vegan super clean white knuckle cold turkey and now feel much better. It wasn't the meat, it was low quality meat and all that other shit.

>>131621622
I put kale and avocado on my burgers, with caramelised red onions and piri piri mayo.

>>131617525
oh shit m8 tatars are god tier food for strong whites

>>131616899
>estrogen
>hair loss
>not knowing testastrone causes baldness not estrogen
jesus.....

>>131631562
It doesn't.

>>131630200
DUDE
SQUATS AND MILK
GOMAD OR GO HOME BRA

>>131627330
Perhaps your nutrient deficiencies from lack of meat have caused your brain to delude itself into a state of false grandeur?

>>131627165
>>131628275
>>131629279
>>131630115
>>131630386
>>131630992


Lmao dude chill the fuck out
You look good (for a vegan :^))

of course you can grow big while being vegan, but it will require addtional supplementation and much more strict diet.

For example, chicken meat fiber has the perfect quantities for gym-goers and body builders, since its structure and contents is like 90%- like human flesh iirc. I even had that kind of vegan argument with my friends and I asked some of my collegues who make a living out of health and fitness. (one is writing for Men's Health, the other is a proffesional body builder and personal personal trainer, got 2nd place in body building contests here in Poland.) They all claim that vegan diet may cause malnutrition problems and they advise to avoid it, especially if you lift.

>>131616050
I took the green pill 1 week ago
100% plant based diet now
Never felt better

Only take Vitamin B12 supplement

>>131617525

god tier food

>>131616050

Cuz pork chops are good. Bacon's good.

>>131616050
>giving yourself cancer because it's normal
>giving yourself heart attacks because it's normal
that's only if you're American

>>131618695
Fucking americans

>>131627165

woman shoulders LOL

>>131616899
You are retarded.
Only specific foods have chemicals your body mistakes for estrogen and uses it as such. Your fucking milk, dairy, tap water, and non organic beef have more estrogen. (No I am not a owner of a tinfoil hat, it is confirmed by many mainstream studies that birth control pills and hormone pills cannot be fully cleaned out of recycled drinking water)

List of foods with the highest levels of estrogen in order.

Soybeans and soy products
Tempeh
Flaxseeds
Oats
Barley
Lentils
Sesame seeds
Yams
Alfalfa
Apples
Carrots
Jasmine oil
Pomegranates
Wheat germ
Coffee
Licorice root
Hops
Bourbon
Beer
Red clover
Clary sage oil

Weird, seeds, grain, and two fucking fruits and vegetables. It is your grain and soy filled everything processed food you need to cut out.

1/2

>>131616050

Factual statement are usually followed by references to sources.

Otherwise, nonargument.

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>>131616050
Because vegans are fags, every last one of them, without exception, including OP.

>>131632400
Yes, but that's the backbone of a vegan diet. Dairies, meat and potatos/rice hold the same role in a normal diet.

>>131616802
high level autism right there

>>131616050
Vegan here.
It is optimal for health IF you plan it correctly.

>>131616899
Fiber encourages good bacteria in your gut that help you process foods you are literally incapable of breaking down without them.

See what happens when you take antibiotics for a long time. You will get horrible liquid shits because the medicine does not discriminate between good and bad bacteria in your body.

Bad bacteria like yeast flourish in a diet high in processed sugar. They make you feel sluggish, cause bloating, and foggy thinking if your good to bad gut flora is really fucked.

https://draxe.com/healing-diet/

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>>131631609
it does you fucking flatearth commie. i thought commies where smarter than this not on the IQ level of kek awwo faggots.

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>>131616802
t. cow

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>>131632798
>Dr. Axe.

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>>131629761
(citation needed)

>>131619442
Kosher meat is too much good for goys, enjoy your flavored soy.

>>131616050
I'd consider it when you can make veggies taste like bacon, and becoming a veggy didn't make you become an insufferable cunt.
Until THAT day, fuck off!

>>131618077
>, unless you want to talk about how the grain industry is subsidized with tax payers money and why it must stop.

This. Meat isn't the problem, it's all the shitty carbs people eat from eating too much grain.

>>131632024

I literally am less strict on a vegan diet than I was on a low carb one with lots of meat.
I can't count on anecdotal "experiences" from some anon's friends, no offense.

All I can count on is the single biggest body of dietitians and nutritionists in the world and cardiology experts, the scientific literature, the latest clinical trials evaluating a vegan diet in comparison to others and the bodybuilders and athletes that exist nowadays that are actually vegan.
That and of course my personal anecdote.
Ever since my puberty I had puberty gyno, it never went away even in my early 20's, despite losing noticeable ammounts of fat and lifting.
After going vegan it went away in a matter of weeks.
I could blame this on a lot of things, but the only reasonable explanation is that my body cannot handle mammal exogenous estrogens from animal products.
That enough is a good enough reason for me to stick with my vegan diet, I understand it's anecdote but it is literally the only way I could ever fix my puberty gyno, it just went away.

As for chicken meat, I would stay away from it, it seems remarkably high in PCB's, which have long lasting effects on male genital growth and hormonal balance.

I don't make a living out of health and fitness, but I wish I could, I basically just do pullups and squats and bench/deadlift sometimes.
It's not something that takes a lot out of my day.

And to be clear here, I don't think I look very good in the first place, I just think that everyone here posting bullshit like "vegans look like cucks" look like cucks themselves in comparison to vegans who actually do some kind of physical activity.

>>131616050
>"""""proven"""""

>>131629761
do you have studies or examples to prove what you're saying ? Of course not because it's bullshit

>>131632400

To be frank, that's just a list of foods with phytoestrogens(plant estrogen-like compounds).

You have to take into account stuff like PCB's and actual mammal estrogens.

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>calling yourself "red pilled"
>believing the lies spread by meat and dairy lobbies run by Jews

Oh /pol/, you silly cunts.

>>131633006
Americans at their finest

who can argue against a pescatarian diet? Or just not making a religion out of it and admitting to yourself that you shouldn't be eating red meat every day?

>>131616050
SOOOOO many sauces for a terrible burger.

>eating anything from animals

wew lad

>>131618337
>unironically shilling almond milk
It is almost like you want excess sugar or something.

>>131618443
smells like summer

>>131631562
Its actually the drop in testosterone production that causes grey hair and baldness.
I knew a guy who got grey hair in school in his teens and it turned out to be an autoimmune based deficiency of testosterone production that hadnt manifested until he was halfway through puberty.

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>>131633748
>I literally am less strict on a vegan diet than I was on a low carb one with lots of meat.

Keto and low carb works, but it is a chore to continue for more than a month or two.

There are much better ways, tastier and much more effcient.

All I am saying is that while dairy and cheese is actually harmfull in a long run if you want to cut (except goat cheese) missing beef and poultry is a shame for anyone who lifts.

> All I can count on is the single biggest body of dietitians and nutritionists in the world and cardiology experts, the scientific literature, the latest clinical trials evaluating a vegan diet in comparison to others and the bodybuilders and athletes that exist nowadays that are actually vegan.

i find it hard to believe. Vegan and vegetarian lifestyle is hip and rad now, and everyone wants to show off, that goes also to bodybuilders. Those "vegan" bodybuilders scream and bitch about healthy lifestyle and how beefe is litreally hitle, and at the same time they have a V-taper and physique avaliable only after 2+ cycles or roiding. Hypocrysy, if you ask me

To make it short, They are not big because they eat vegan, they are because they roid. (like 95% of bodybuilders desu)

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Animals taste too good.

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>all these fallacies from meat eaters
Veganism is the hardest redpill to swallow for /pol/ and it's entertaining watching anti-sjw's and /pol/ types try to take on veganism as if it were another sjw topic. Especially the youtube anti sjw's, as they get destroyed every time they try it.

>>131616050
I have Hashimotos Disease. A autoimmune disorder where my body produces antibodies that attack my thyroid. There is no cure, just the option of a life time of taking a fist full of pills, or a diet change.

I have to be gluten free, soy free, free of non organic dairy, non organic, meat that is not grass fed, preservatives and chemical free, corn ad corn oil free sunflower oil free, canola oil free. Worst of all, processed sugar free. My only source of sugar is honey or fruit.

I have to watch my health like a hawk or I will turn into a blob of a human with no energy to even get off my couch for water. I told you all that so you would know, I know what I'm fucking talking about.

1.To he a vegan you must take many supplements and pills to fill in the gaps in your diet caused by the lack of vitamins, lipids, and acids, only found in meat sources. You actually have one of the most unnatural diets that relies on modern conveniences and it could not be sustained without them.

1/2

>>131616050
2. Because of that, you are mostly likely low in many minerals, vitamins, lipids, and maybe even many sources even found in plants. Because if you are eating based on what tastes good, you don't care about being varied enough.

You actually need to know what the fuck is in the plant you eat, if it is what you need, or if you are eating a diet completely free of key things you really need, or even one high in things that can fuck you up in high amounts like vitamin A.

3. The only way to make vegetarian/vegan meals as nutritious as meals with meat is to cook them for up to six hours. It takes a ton of time. It is why poo in loos take six hours to make a meal. Without that time to stuff the meal with as much nutrition as possible, you will become malnourished.

4.Your diet is most likely high in foods that aggravate your gut: Soy (a artificial estrogen, enjoy your lower testosterone)
Corn, flax seeds, grains with gluten, soy bean oil, canola oil, sun flower oil.

We require meat. We have to eat protein, b12 and other lipids every day that are only found in meat. You are a fucking omnivore. If humans had adapted to eat only plants you would have never of had the energy to grow a large brain.

2/2

>>131634893
It's excess testosterone, not a lack of. If it were a lack of, where are the balding women? Why are so many hairy men (body hair triggers off of test) balding?

Male pattern baldness is a hereditary thing.

>>131635440
>Veganism is the hardest redpill

Meat is red too.

Checkmate, grass-eaters,