If homosexuality is genetic and not a choice, then is pedophilia

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>>131577748
Probably. The radical left will start to gently try to normalize it in the coming years. Mark my words.

Which is why we seriously need to figure out conversion therapy.

there are many mental disabilities we will never truly understand anon

>>131577748
Probably, but don't you find it interesting that a vast number of homos have a "touchy uncle" story? I don't buy that "we're all born gay" bullshit for a second.

Likewise, most pedos were also priest-touched when they were small.

There's a correlation there for sure.

>>131577748
Homosexuality is a choice you retard.

If it was genetic, gays would not reproduce and go extinct.

Is this so fucking hard to understand

>>131578129
It's maternal and recessive.

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>>131577748
Pedophilia is the normal state of men. Little girls are the best, everybody knows it.
>>131577965
It was leftists who demonized it in the first place. Do you think upstanding traditionalists were the ones who forced girls into schools and encouraged delaying marriage?

>>131577748

mu dick

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>>131578129
Hmm, that's weird. It says on wikipedia that homosexuality is not a choice. Maybe it's a mistake?

>>131577748
I do think that's quite the difficult debate, because homosexuality has been present since the dawn of man.
Then again, full blown homosexuality was not very common.

Take the greeks for example.
They had orgies from time to time yet still marry and had offspring.
Or the samurai that adopted pupils that fucked from time to time when training even if they were married to women.

I think that homosexuality is mostly a choice. Heck, I do even think that it's not pure coincidence that there are more homosexuals than ever in history.

People would tell you that now is really easy to get out of the closet but I see it the other way.
With many people getting out of the closet even more want to just be part of it.

That's my 2 cents on the matter even though I remain to think that maybe a genetic component is present in their minds.

>>131577748
What exactly is wrong with pedophilia? In some cultures pedophilia is perfectly normal, and we in the west should accept that

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How pathetic am I that i recognize which camwhore that is just from that photo.

I have a problem

>>131577748
Who is this semon demon

>>131578974
nikkidiamond69

Youre welcome

>>131578888
It depends what you deem as pedophilia, bud.

To me, when a girl has the first period she should be able to legaly consent, the same as when a kid's balls drop.

Careful, I'm not saying that a 40 year old guy could fuck a 13yo girl who happens to have developed early, age difference does matter to a certain extent.
Not biologically but mentally.

>>131578888
>8888

Holy shit, Muahamad is right. 8 year olds for all!

>>131578904

who

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>>131577748
People might also be born as serial killers that doesn't mean we should condone or try and portray it as acceptable.

>>131579230
i literally already answered it

>>131579155
KYS ahmed.

>>131579155
>I'm not a fag guys! Look everyone is doing it!

Typical Sweden

>>131577748
Someone can certainly die a pedophile.
Just hang 'em in public so I can watch.

>>131578888
What did kek mean by this

homosexuality isn't a choice but it's not genetic or innate either


now I will wait for brainlets to try and understand this

>>131577748
Everyone is born a baby and babies can't be paedophiles. I don't think you thought through your question OP.

>>131578066
do you have any statistics to back this up?

>>131578066
True fact: every gay person I know has had a traumatic sexual experience early in life. EVERY SINGLE ONE! and I live in the San Francisco area so it's not like I know 1 gay person.

>>131578888
stop perpetrating the kike terminology sven

pedophilia != hebephilia

of course pedophelia is a mental illness. you think people choose to be attracted to pre-pubescent children?

regardless it's still degenerate and a mental illness and these people should be treated and helped. it shouldn't be a crime to be a pedophile, it should be a crime to commit pedophilia and rape children. however we need to do it to get these people help we should. therapy or whatever.

>>131577748
pedophilia = rape (think about it)
>>131577965
they trying to normalize it

>>131579663
it would e impossible since childhood sexual abuse is massively underreported

faggot

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>>131578129
Then why choose to be oppressed and have the potential to be killed when you can choose to be straight and live an ez life?

>>131577748
Where is the proof that homosexuality is genetic? All I ever saw was the retarded argument like "gays exist even in societies where there is a death sentence for it, like Middle East". But it's idiotic, because the Middle East is also ridden with goatfuckers, does that mean zoophilia is genetic as well?

>>131578638
just because something is natural doesn't mean its ethical. if you're a pedophile, kill yourself, no one is gonna fucking miss you

>>131578638

>Little girls are best

Ya...no faggot.

Biologically you could make an argument for men enjoying ages 14 at the least. 16 seems far more natural in the grand scheme of things.

The problem is leftists believe a child as young as three years old can understand the intricacies of gender and that's just as fucked up as someone wanting to put their dick or cooch on a 5 year old.

when pedophilia is socially acceptable, men tend to want child brides
it shows that men are inherently pedophiles

>>131577748
NOPE NOPE NOPE
>homosexuality is genetic and not a choice
N O P E
O
P
E

NONE OF THIS SHIT IS GENETIC, PEDOS ARE THE EVOLVED FORM OF FAGS, FAGGOTRY IS A CULTURAL CONSTRUCT.

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>>131578129
Unless a certain set of genes that exists in straight people make it more likely that they'll have children who end up gay...

>>131577748
If, then yes.

If, then:

Killers are born.

Rapists are born.

Liars, robbers, and so on.

If, then there is no argument against anyone, including "homophobes". "Homophobes" are born, and can not be blamed for their despising of the gay.

The question of born or not is irrelevant and non productive. The question is simply whether or not it is good.

>>131578871
what a dumb logic
those that fucked men while also married were Bi
there isnt more homos today, they are just allowed to be open about it whereas in the past they had to fully hide it

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>>131578129
>Homosexuality is a choice

trust me, it's not

help

>>131577748

https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Female

https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor

>A woman in her twenties tells of a sexual relationship she had with an adult male neighbor from the age of six for at least six years. She writes, “Why should I feel guilty about the wonderful relationship I had with that man … right up until his death?”

>There was a girl who joined my junior school when I was ten who had been in a relationship with a neighbour since she was 8 and at the time told me it was the most special and wonderful thing in her life.

>>131577748
Homosexuality is not a choice but acting on it is a choice.

Same for pedophilia and I would say a number of other disturbs of personality (violent people, murderers, etc).

You can be a homosexual and a pedophile (or have murderer tendencies) and function normally in society as long as you don't do any homosexual or pedophile acts or murder anyone.
The moment you do act on your instincts you get the gas chamber.

>>131577748
Sure, but if that's the explanation you want to go with, we'll have to kill the fags, not rehabilitate them.

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It's not entirely genetic and it's not a choice either, it's a combination of genes but mostly the environment they grow up in.

Look up the sissy hypno people as an example. Most of them straight dudes that got a whiff of the coolidge effect in action when watching porn which inhibits an addiction and causes them to do terribly gay and humiliating sexual acts. Addiction does crazy things to the mind in order to get its dopamine fix.

But that's just an extreme example to get a point across, it's mostly environment, which we can't control for shit either, so it's not a choice.

If you disagree you're a fucking nigger that disagrees with fact based science.

Homosexuality is not genetic

>>131581037
It doesn't matter if it's genetic or a choice.

Do we not punish blacks when they become aggressive and kill people because they have the warrior gene?

OF COURSE NOT

Actions are to be judged regardless of the cause.

>>131581005

makes me want to move out there and pay the commie tax so I can have a gf like that

>>131579074
Eh

>>131580096
To be fair, there aren't many gays in Islamic countries.

>>131577748
by that logic yes, pedophiles WILL use that as an excuse which is why it's dangerous for homosexuality to be considered "born this way"

>>131581171
True, it's more like autism than genetic disorders
>>131577748
Being a lolicon is a choice, the right choice.

>>131578129
It's not
Saying homosexuality is a choice is like saying Ailurophobia or Arachnophobia are choices

>>131580744
Fuck a woman. How fucking hard can it be?

>>131581171
The more I think about this, the more I'm inclined to agree. I suppose there may be some kind of genetic predisposition to it. But from what I've mulled over, it seems to be more of how one is raised, the affect of parental figures, teachers, and perceptions of the opposite gender. I'm sure there are fags that'll flat out disagree, but I think that the influences into creating a homo are very subtle and ingrained at a young age

>>131577748

Does it really matter?

If someone is a threat to society, you remove them. What difference does it make whether they chose it or not.

>>131580744
Kek

>>131577965
I'd be ok with the normalization of pedophilia if it was on an actual biological basis

as in, when women become capable of bearing children, after about a year grace period, they can consent.

>>131580744
do you just not find women attractive

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>>131581533
I wonder why

>>131577748
Not politically related.

>>131581731
Idk, do some kinky shit and get pegged or something, or, have sex with a guy. It's a choice right?

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This research has been making waves lately :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5807375_Cerebral_white_matter_deficiencies_in_pedophilic_men

It states that there is a physiological difference between those with pedophilic urges than those without. This research sets a worrying premise, because trends in other personality disorders are showing physiological differences as well. For example researchers CT scanned violent offenders and sociopath's brains and compared them to people without such tendencies, there was clear anatomical differences in the pre frontal cortex (the area of the brain which affects personality).

The interesting part was that this researher scanned his own brain and it showed the signs which allign with violent offenders.

Does this set a precedent where we scan everyone's brain to find out if they are at risk of becoming a risk to society.

>>131581885
With parent's approval, and only under marriage.

>>131577748
That's a big IF, and one that isn't so.

Homosexuality is a perversion plain and simple. It used to be classified as a mental illness. It's actually just perverts looking for another way to get off, constantly doing more and more degrading shit until they get AIDS. Then anything goes, because hey, they already have AIDS so fuck it right?

The definition of degenerate.

>>131578129
Actually it's just a feeling

>>131581992
lol no

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>>131578129
God cannot create animals and humans properly
so

why would I not agree with someone telling me he's actually a kangaroo in a human's body? since god create creatures at day 1 directly flawed, deformed, w/ birthdefect etc?

any man looking telling me hes actually a women i believe him and fuck him accordingly.

also ur puritan hypocrite worship prophets who have 1000s wives + rape war victims + sell and buy sex slaves? WTF are u even trying to lecture us ?

Most faggots didn't have fathers growing up or if they did then their father didn't do their job and influence the child. Fags pick up their gay shit from being around mommy and her friends and listening to them talk about slurping nigger cocks.

>>131580721
That's not true. The reason it's out more today is because we allow it to be. That's why the perversions are getting deeper and deeper everyday, because we're allowing this filth to be spread and openly talked about and accepted.

Back in the day you had an urge and wanted to do something taboo to get more off, so you fucked a dude. Now a days, since we accept that "It's always been like this", now they have all kinds of perversions springing up demanding to be accepted and forced down our throats.

>>131581913
what is illegal sexual intercourse in islam the biggest hypocrite religion in the universe?

isnt it true that moh and his follower fuked captives of war for free?

isnt it true that moh and his followers bought and sold sex slave who got fuked for free as long as they were under their ceiling? (not married, pure sex slaves)

>>131580744
Just stop being a pervert and stop sexualizing everything you see.

How about getting a productive hobby to fill your time instead of strange cocks?

>>131581983
It's your choice if you want to be a disgusting faggot and I don't really mind. But stop this 'born this way' BS. You were born straight, but your environment turned you into a cocksucking faggot. You can always convert to women, it's simply a matter of choice.

>>131581985
Like, anon said >>131581005

IF it is not mere proclivity toward certain tendencies, but this is "just the way they are", then rehabilitation doesn't even factor if we also conclude a given action is harmful. You simply have to kill them, or else curtail their liberties that they are in some way in capable of acting upon their nature.

Given the research cited and the amusing footnote, I believe it fair to say that where certain tendencies might exist, they are not an inevitable conclusion. Ergo, it is a choice. Difficult for some. Easy for others. The difficulty of a given choice, however, should not be considered with respect to rendering judgement. Rather, it is all the more reason to reinforce a particular behavior is harmful - that the obviousness of such a poor decision, no matter how difficult, is illuminating even to those nearly blind.

>>131582574
But that's not always consensual though.
I see it more as a violent act than as a urge, the same as with man to woman rape.

>>131578825
> citing Wikipedia
> 2015+2

>>131577748
both the "gay is choice" and "gay is born" arguments are WRONG.

sexuality is subject to fluctuations and external forces

see: 4chan, which is known to have turned many men gay

>>131577748
Ya it's called being muslim faggot.

>>131579663
Ask every gayfag you meet.
It would be ridiculous to assume there's empirical evidence to support how many fags were diddled by their Uncle Jim when they were 5.

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>>131582572
Nigger you don't know how the brain works at all. That's like telling someone with a gambling addiction to "just stop gambling bro" or someone with alcoholism "Lol just stop drinking", it's the same thing with sexual pleasure for the most part.

You don't choose to become addicted to things, the environment inhibits it via the activation of genes and consistent enough stimulus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect

>>131580846
It's not being a homosexual or being a pedophile.. This whole identity shit has got to go.

These are both just temptations and perversions from the people entertaining them due to needing more and more taboo and out there sex acts to get them off. They're basically chasing a high. I'd safely bet my life that people that claim to be pedophiles and homosexuals masturbate at least once a day, if not several times every day.

Having pedophile and homo inclinations doesn't make you one or the other, it simply means that you're entertaining a new way to get a more fulfilling orgasm.

>>131580744
Stop shilling this argument.
You deterministic fags are a disgrace to humanity as a whole.

>>131582248
My point is that it's a choice how you identify. And sexual preferences can change as anyone who has watched a lot of porn will know.

I didn't say you will burn in hell because you are a degenerate. Of course, you probably will, but that was far from my point.

>>131582150
lol ya

checkmate faggot.

>>131578904
pepe wheres your prison uniform

>>131578066
This.

>>131582921
Thanks a lot Marx.
How does it feel to be totally out of touch with reality you Freudian cocksucker?

>>131577748
It is a perversion. All sexual deviance is a choice made by free will.

>>131577748
It's not genetic. It's biological but a fault of early hormonal and psychological development, not DNA dependent.
You aren't born homosexual as you aren't born with a sexuality, you develop it as you grow. That's why gays should be prevented by ensuring kids grow the right way with balanced hormones and proper treatment. Why do you think so many gay men were abused when they were young?

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>>131582321
What the hell are you talking about?

>>131583100
I don't see a counterpoint there you fucking cuck lmao.

>>131577748
Think about it. When you first got sexual urges, were you attracted to a 35 year old? No, it was another tween like yourself. It was not a toddler either.

The problem with pedos is they get stuck at that age and never move on. Often due to trauma or just profligate degeneracy.

>>131583152
Single mothers create problems in various phases of youth.
There's evidence to support that a single mother can cause damage to a child during developmental stages.

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You're either go full gay or bite the bullet during the process. I honestly believe it's a fetish that got too carried away to a point that it tried to get normalized in the West. I get disgust if my penis was in someone's asshole knowing that it would come out some-what dirty. That's why I just stick to 2D anal and forget the real thing.

>>131583228
>brings up insubstantial claims coming from known leftwing institutions with political motivations and expects me to counter his "argument" with more bullshit
that's not going to happen, fag.
You're a chink in the chain, get over it you delusional psycho.

>>131583353
I've done anal with my gf several times and it came clean.

Men are usually dirty but girls take care of their buttholes.

homosexuality is not genetic. you can absolutely learn homosexuality. therefore homosexual parents should not be able to adopt kids.

>>131583468
Aight nigga, enjoy being in your safe space because you can't handle when fact based research disagrees with your ideologies so it's marxism.

And i thought liberals were weak willed faggots.

>>131582921
FUCK YOU. I was heavily depressed for years and managed to climb out of it using nothing more than the fucking power of thought and choosing to be positive instead of a whiny bitch.

I am living proof life is a choice and you can actually change your life by choice and perseverance. Your 'science' is pathetic and a roadblock for all people who need to change their ways.

are right wingers pedophiles? why do you always compare the two? gay marriage went to the supreme court because constitutional rights and privileges were denied to gays all throughout history without cause

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>>131577748
Pedos and faggots are one in the same. They just cant deal with women, cant put them in their place, so they resort to other people like them or kids who they can take advantage of. Faggot sex is absolutely disgusting and all faggots anf pedos should be dropped into volcanoes

>>131581240
I got an erection reading this. no pedo

>>131583123
This. Sexual urges can be directed and changed. Rapists aren't 'born that way'.

>>131583476
How's the stench of sweat and ass? That asshole of hers must have been clean before you do anal sex, right? I find it hard to believe your dick would not attract fecal matter.

>>131583813
When i was In afghanistan, i observed The way they on a daily basis. They live like its 500AD or something. little faget boys were like slaves. Maybe that's where fags belong?

>>131583704
badass

>>131577748
Actually 'pedophilia' is more even more likely to be genetic since many countries consider attraction to anyone below age 18 to be pedophilia while all biology cares about is if they're ripe for child bearing.

>>131578129
If homosexuality was a choice the majority of men would be gay. Nobody would willingly choose to put up with women.

>>131581690
true
but pol is the last place I would try to argue about it

>>131584020
This. Ass is fucking disgusting. The stench is enough to make me lose all interest. It looks good in porn though.

>>131577748
It's a choice and a mental illness. Most gay men were molested as children and it fucks them up in the head. It's a known fact that the gay community doesn't talk about much.

>>131577748
Pedophilia is not a sexual preference,.
Pedophiles don't make love to kids they rape them.
Sexuality is involved and perverted but it isn't the basis of their sickness.
Think about it like this: after you have sex w/ someone, or masterbate, you feel all that tension go away. You feel calm and centered and relaxed. You don't want sex anymore, FINALLY kek
Thats not what happens w/ pedos. A climax for them is not a big relief, the climax makes their sickness grow, makes them need a bigger thrill next time. Their tension NEVER ends. That's why they're such frequent offenders.
Hope that helps distinguish.

>>131581240
Fucking bitch. She promised never to tell anyone, and there she goes, blabbing on about her "delightful first experience".

What a deceitful awful creature.

>>131578066
i am bisexual and never had a touchy uncle. i made the choice myself to fuck with with women and sometimes with men. actually it's quite confusing what you'd like to do in your future life. i have a fiancee and she knows all about it (well most) and she still wants to marry me but it really bothers me that i may one day drift off to another dude

>>131584020
Only like half of my penis went in because of the narrow and tight space of her cavity, but she is really clean, never ever suffered the famous period stench or vaginal sour smell in 4 years.

>>131582990
So you have fapped to fucking corpses and gone full necro?

>>131583704
That's good, but that's not doable for most people.

>>131577748
People aren't born with a sexuality. That's something you develop later. That's why "born gay" isn't a real argument.

>>131581533
Anymore

>>131584121
Kek. Well to be honest, public faggots are mostly annoying as fuck.

>>131580721
Have you been paying attention to the leftist press recently?
> bromaces often include cuddling and kissing

>how to have gay sex and still be straight

They damn well know the "born this way" narritave is a lie, because they created the lie. If they actually believed peoples sexuality was set at birth, they would be pushing stupid things like that.

Becoming a faggot is not genetic, and twin studies prove it.
If it were genetic, identical twins would both be homosexual most of the time.
The opposite is true.

>but I'm gay and I didn't make a conscious choice to be
That doesn't mean it's genetic.
I never consciously chose English to be my native language, yet it is.
I certainly don't have a genetic predisposition to speaking English.

>>131582572
Proofs? I'm pretty sure I cured myself of gayness, but it might not be like that for everyone.

>>131581690
What about islamophobia?
Nationaisocialophobia?

>>131584696
It's simple. If you believe you have a choice you will actually have a choice. It's that fucking simple.

Btw, I'm not judging homosexuality in any way in this thread. If you want to be gay, go for it.

The only thing I'm saying is that everyone has a choice. And yes, going against years of gayness of straightness or whatever inclination you have will be hard. But it can be overcome. The power is yours.

>>131585039
Born racist?

It's a behaviour.

>>131583813
Woah, Right Wingers BTFO.
Just kidding, that nigger tier argument was fucking retarded

>>131584390
Because they give up before they even begin. Why

>>131585581
I mean, I don't know whether it was by my own hand or not, but I don't have a gay bone in my body anymore and I'm not even trying. It was probably just early puberty hormones though. Could you naturally stop being straight if you tried?

>>131577748
>Homosexuality
>Genetic

We play games with each other as children to live life normally. Gays play gay games, either from being molested or diddling other kids.

Jordan Peterson talks about this. Ironically the recent bill C16 in Canada says that "Sexual preference is a social construct".
So now they can't make a case against conversion therapy. Mike "Shock the Gays" Pence would be proud

>>131585827
Because it's easier to give up and give in to indulgence.

Changing years of reinforced behavior takes a lot of will power most people don't have.

>>131580096
Same reason any person choose to harm themselves. LOW SELF ESTEEM.

>>131585889
I don't think stopping being straight is an easy task. It can undoubtably be done by watching the porn on /b/.

>>131580096
you hide it lol
It's not like it's required to have a gay sign on your shirt

>>131585986
Agree but it makes me sad.

There isn't a hardline between genetics and environment. Genes can be switched on and off by all sorts of things.

And there isn't any choice because the rational part of the brain isn't neatly divided from the emotional part. With psychology there is no free will.

You can't choose to have same sex attraction in the same way you can't choose to be fat.

"Choose" in the sense that you can't wake up one morning and decide, "I'm going to be thin today".

All you can do make the lifestyle adjustments to facilitate change. And all we know about human sexuality is that is is plastic and subject to change.

You can even observe it in your own life. If you ever had a pronography addiction, you would know how you pick up and drop sexual fetishes over your life. You get attraction to certain body parts and to certain races, and to behaviours or bodily functions. You even get fetishes that cross over the gender line like the trap meme.

So tell me, why is gender such a thick line that can't be crossed? What makes same sex attraction defferent from attraction to certain races or behaviours?

Seems like the most intuitive thing to believe is that sexuality is developed through reinforcement and repeated exposure through fantasy and pornography.

Same thing goes for these self described pedos.
Would you be a pedo if you never discovered those trashy, japanese cartoons? I think not.

>>131586329
It's not an easy task because it's what your hormones and reproductive instinct dictates you to do.

I think this whole topic is blown out of proportion.

>>131586405
The person in question is still hiding their "chosen" homosexuality though, why not just choose not be homosexual?

>>131580744
>trust you
>has a mental disorder
No, I think I'll trust science instead. There's no fucking gay gene!

No they're both developed psychological habits, like a phobia of birds.

>>131580598
Fags ARE pedos

>>131586572
Agree

>>131586578
It's something you work on. You must remember that they find homosexuality to be a pretty good life style for themselves and find partners easier.

Men date women across and below the dominance hierarchy, and women date men across and above the dominance hierarchy.

Gays can date across, above and below their dominance hierarchies.

Not to mention how having kids is so ignored these days.

>>131577748

>If homosexuality is genetic and not a choice

Current thinking pins sexual orientation on hormonal influences in the womb which impact neurological development, and there has been later research suggesting that there are correlations in the size and density of midbrain regions between congruent sexual preferences (as in straight woman/gay man or straight man/lesbian woman).

I'm sure there are some environmental factors too - I think there's a correlatiion between sexual assault as a child and later sexual orientation, but they haven't found a gay gene.

>>131581690
Fears are things psychologists can relatively easily help patients overcome.

>>131578888
Take your "Mu Relitivism" and kill yourself.

>>131587019
I think the biggest problem people have with trying to figure out 'What causes homosexuality" is that people are assuming that there's only one cause. Hell, people are assuming there's only one type of homosexuality. It's entirely possible there's multiple different causes for multiple different disorders that manifest in similar symptoms.

>>131584121
Thats why homosexuality was vilified.

God damn women and their desire not to be raped and owned.

>>131586955
Well of course, but they do that on the basis of it being mostly a perversion, gays don't have the vetting genes women do for challenging and rejecting shitty mating partners.

>>131584312
Wtf is this Poland? I have lost so much respect for this flag. If you are even second guessing marrying a woman because of another person regardless of gender you shouldn't be getting married. You sound like a spineless fag with no integrity or convictions

>>131587150

For sure. The whole discussion is like trying to catch smoke with a net, as answering one question simply raises two more. Might as well start asking questions as to why some people have specific kinks and so forth.

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>>131577748
it's a mental condition, always has been, always will be. removing it from the APA list only confirms there is an agenda to push this disability as being "normal".

pic related, a well documented, non biased rebuttal to the lie that homosexuality is "normal".

>>131580096
""""""""""oppressed"""""""""

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>>131587042
makes you think, cbt/hypnosis/whatever the fuck they're doing to alleviate phobias, but a push for such things towards alleviating "homosexuality" is nonexistent. instead, people are encouraged to undertake in such deviant behavior

hmmmmm... i wonder who could be behind all this

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>>131580744
I got u senpai

>>131587537
I mean idk what you call Saudi Arabia throwing gays off buildings but they're doing that. So why not choose to not be eligible to be thrown off a fucking building and getting killed.

Just choose not to bro, yeah, makes sense.

>>131578066
>bothers me that this happens
>not a mental disorder

>>131587259
what's a perversion? Why does that defeat what I'm saying? vetting genes?

You seem to be repeating things you've read in random articles

>>131583684
Gay couples rape their kids

What is pedophilia?

I have a hard time believing that the majority of men don't find girls like Brynn Rumfallo sexually attractive if the societal conditioning is removed

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>>131588020
Perversion is a deviation of sexual normalcy. IE Heterosexual relationships, in this area of perversion that is homosexual, men have no well developed gauge as women do to select mates properly. Both men are still driven by testosterone and want to engage in sexual relations quicker relevant to their female counterparts.

"Vetting genes" in the since of female progeny have their genes inhibit response to potential mates for either success or failure to produce offspring with them. They are better judges of what would make good children then men are, because they've been ostensibly doing it for the past 3000 years.

Before that it was just men at the top of the dominance hierarchy raping their selection of women to spread most of their seed out as much as possible.

But epigenetics has shown us that gene expression can change very rapidly over the course of just 3 generations. So in the advent of sexual selection, women have become much better arbiters for proper mates than men.

>>131587430

There are so many implications from that screencap. If you're gonna be arguing a point, don't write drivel that is easy to provite easy rebuttals to.

Of the main points in the first post:

1. Homosexuality isn't comperable to infertility - a homosexual man may still inseminate a woman and a lesbian woman may still become pregnant, in principle.

2. Oral sex =/= a fetish. And if it is, considering a proportion of a population that engages in it, you could argue that any form of sexuality or sexual act, no matter how basic, is a fetish as a result, including heterosexuality. What, never had your dick sucked? Besides, even if it is a fetish, does that do anything to de-legitimise it?

3. This implies you cannot like someone who you also fuck. They have sex because they're attracted to one another.

4. Idiocy at best, fetish at worst. It is a fair point though. Plus, women can receive physical injuries (see: vaginal tearing) or infection (see: UTI) from standard sex.

5. Why does nature allow flesh eating parasites to exist? Nature isn't logical and is sometimes not even comprehensible, as it is random. Complex life with complicated neurological and cognitive systems results in all kinds of funny behaviours. As a side note, do you think browsing /pol/ at this time of night is increasing you chances of mating?

6. "love" "pure" and "natural love" are all to be taken with big pinches of salt. Promiscuity exists across sexualities and you know this as well as anyone. Ask anyone here about the mating habits of people close to them - friends, family, maybe even themselves or their partners - and see how many people of various sexualities sleep with multiple people or cheat on their partners.

7. You can argue this on a moral or practical standard, and it can get very existential very quickly whichever way you argue it. Why live if you're only going to die within 100 or so years.

>>131587670

>cbt/hypnosis/whatever the fuck they're doing to alleviate phobias, but a push for such things towards alleviating "homosexuality" is nonexistent

It's been tried before and hasn't worked.

>>131587748
I'm talking about America nigger, I'm sure they boil them up and eat them in Africa, I don't give a fuck

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>>131588755
Those "dance" sluts are disgusting. Nobody with any taste likes them

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/pol/'s demonstrates that it has no absolutely no understanding of biology or psychology with this stuff.

It also shows that they are not really interested in the property of their society by spewing venom.

>>131589264
You're missing the point of the supposition then, faggot.

>>131577748
homosexuality implies a sexual attraction to a sexually MATURE being, meaning it's fair game.

pedophilia implies a sexual attraction to a sexually IMMATURE being, meaning it's predatory behavior.

to answer the question, the first is likely genetic and the second is learned. no one is born sexually drawn to children as they aren't sexually mature. as such, i have a HARD time finding an argument against the death penalty for anyone evil/inhumane enough to sexually abuse a child.

>>131589320
They're not oppressed in the first world

>>131589606
I don't give a fuck about the first world, that's irrelevant to this hypothetical question.

You have a gay person in Saudi Arabia, if it's a choice to be gay, why would they still choose to be gay if they have the extremely high chance to be found out and executed. Why not just choose to be straight then?

>>131577748
some guys are born gay, and other guys become gay or bi after getting molested.

one size does not fit all.

>>131589589

I don't disagree that paedos need to be fucking curb-stomped, but what about the ephebophile grey area? People attracted to teenagers who may be sexually mature but still under the age of consent. How is a Spaniard fucking a 14 year old OK but trying that shit in America results in decades of butt rape by Bubba. If we're going to draw a line, we have the minimise the risk of it being arbitrary - or at least be ideologically consistent.

>>131589885
The entire point of an age of consent is that it IS arbitrary. It's basically the state saying "We've held your hand this long, now you're on your own, if you can't make your own decisions by this point then you're a lost cause".

>>131577748
Pedophilia is not the attraction to the child. That's a complete farce. Pedophilia is all about doing something which shouldn't be done, and the sick fucks get off on it while crying about how they're oppressed in videos and shit. It's all about pushing boundaries.

It's a fetish.

Now when a 12-14 yo goes through puberty, that's a little different. Girls used to be married off at that age.

>>131589885
blossoming into maturity =/= maturity. the age limit thing is arbitrary by nation though, so tough call.

if i HAD to put a number on it, i'd say if you're old enough to consciously decide to risk dying for your country (military enrollment) then you're old enough to consciously decide to have sex.

>>131588797
Right then I agree with that.
I don't know what to say further.

>>131589885
>puberty line
there is no grey area. it's artificial kike language designed to muddy the waters for moral folks will providing "legal" backup for the depraved shit they they themselves undertake in

>>131590154

So if you're more libertarian minded, you'd naturally be for the state lowering the age of consent, as that reduces the impact of the state messing with your life.

>>131590184

Seems reasonable. But then being willing to lay your life on the line does seem a far lot more responsibility than being able to get to slide the tip in without state interference.

>>131580744
its probably not a choice now, but it was earlier in your development. somewhere along the way you gravitated towards liking males and there was positive reinforcement in your brain

do you actually find males attractive? or do you just find females hold no attraction, and hence you default to thinking you like men? because you might just have low testosterone

i think some people are truly genetically gay, but they are a smaller portion of the entire gay population. i think a lot of gays are "gay" to fit in, because they were misfits or outcasts who couldnt really find social standing any other way, or they were abused or told gayness was normal at an early age. so its possible you are truly gay, and its also possible its in your head. sucks man, hope you figure it out and own it either way

>>131580744
What if it is both?

>>131578825
>homosexuality is genetic and definitely not environmental
>but racial differences are definitely not genetic and are instead environmental
>and sex differences are also not genetic but definitely environmental
>but mental illnesses are totally genetic, therefore not your fault

These people come up with whatever bullshit they want to make them feel better.

Homosexuality is very likely due to environment.
Race differences are due to genetics.
Sex differences are due to hormones, which are ultimately due to different chromosomes.
And mental illnesses can have a genetic component (some of them anyway) but environment is a huge factor.

>>131588797
>They are better judges of what would make good children then men are, because they've been ostensibly doing it for the past 3000 years.
> past 3000 years.

Do you actually believe women have been choosing mates just for the past 3k years?

Holy fuck, burger education ....

>>131578888
We're just raised to in an american oversensitive culture. Any girl over 12 that has begun menstruation is ready for sex.

>>131577748
You're conceived, then a combination of environmental and genetic factors determine how you develop.
Sometimes people develop into pedos. Pedos apparently are more likely to be left handed and have earlobes attached to their heads (from birth) so there is some kind of predisposing genetic/early environment issue they don't choose.

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>>131581985
yes, thats exactly what will happen in the future. in europe at least. minority report

>>131590684
Okay, what is it then? How long have human females been driving sexual selection?

>>131590947

Honestly that answer varies, but it's certainly within the last 100 years where women have had a much greater say in the matter. Bear in mind that there are stronger anti-rape laws, pro-abortion laws, no law against adultry, the rise of shit like Tinder...

Basically, if you have a fanny and like dick, you've never had it better in the history of humanity.

>>131583813
Majority of states voted against gay marriage. 5 faggot judges decide that because one state passed gay marriage then other states cant infringe on that. That how we got the fag marriage.

>>131577748

Yes they are both born that way but that doesn't mean they should be normalised. We don't need to pander to any mental illness

>>131590947
>>131591286

As a side note, I think that women now being the drivers of sexuality is gonna be one of, if not the, biggest hallmarks of the downfall of western civilisation.

>>131581885
Pedophilia from a biological basis is attraction to lack of secondary sexual characteristics, so no.

>>131580718

this. There's a strong genetic component to so many things it's totally bewildering, and it's senseless to say that because someone was genetically predisposed to something we should accept it. For example the 'warrior gene' makes you more prone to violence, but we obviously shouldn't give people with those genes lighter prison sentences.

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>>131591543
>biggest hallmarks of the downfall of western civilisation.
this is not a new phenomenon

>>131591349
IN 2008 CALIFORBNIA VOTED 67% BAN GAY MARRIAGE!!!80% of spics voted to ban it compared to 67% of whites. Lol

>>131590947
Always. Human females are choosy by nature, they let them males climb the dominance hierachy and skim the top. This is not a matter of how any given society is constructed, this is in our nature.

>>131577748
>>131578974
>>131579074

>>nikkidiamond69

that person is a trannie?

>>131577748
Could be, differences in dopamine receptor genes have been found in monkeys that vary their sexual practices, some were polygamous, others would kidnap young females and guard/monogomously copulate. I would think this manifests into alpha/beta behaviors we see, and pedophilia as some screw up of that. It doesn't address desire for prepubescent females though, I would think this is some environmental or developmental error of the beta genes

>>131581985
By using concentrated electromagnetic frequency and a regimented schedule of diet and exercise, we can push the brain into neurogenesis, thereby rehabilitating the person.

>>131590536
>But then being willing to lay your life on the line does seem a far lot more responsibility than being able to get to slide the tip in without state interference.

definitely, which is largely why i used it as the metric of what would be 'morally okay' in this instance.

>>131583704
absolutely this. Most people are psychologically conditioned from an early age to be passive and whiny, to associate problems with receiving love and support. They are fucking frightened of taking charge of their lives and being responsible for their happiness.

Gays have also been pschologically conditioned by an overbearing and hugely dominant mother or motherfigure that made them feel guilt and repress their sexual urges, leading their sexual release to become perverted. Similarly all other forms of perversion can be traced back to a sexual repression, whose drive/energy needs to be released in other ways, leading to the sexualisation of inappropriate things (e.g. kids, animals, feet, inanimate fucking objects, etc.).

>>131582921
No. You don't get to be a degenerate and then tell me you can't help it.

> muh genes

Even if that is true then we mine as well tell people to change because the ones that can't won't and the ones that might can.

>>131577748

why is this pic so hot. Insta boner. why.

there must be a scientific reason

>>131582989
kek

>>131579663

>Third, a range of factors has been found to interact with childhood experiences of sexual victimisation and to differentially impact a child’s likelihood of later becoming a perpetrator. Factors that increase this likelihood include:

>experiencing emotional and physical abuse or neglect as a child (Salter et al. 2003);
>being exposed to family violence (Salter et al. 2003); and
>early exposure to pornography (Simons 2007).

>>131593370
Dont play games with my dick son

>>131580744
stfu you piece of sht, it fucking is a choice

get a tough work where you get under 3$ an hour and will be working all day,

start getting home late, crushed from your stupid job, fall to bed, sleep, repeat

after max. a week you're ready to fuck women

also, forget everything the left and lgbt has thaugt you

>>131581885
It isnt pedophilia if she's post pubescent

>>131577748
This is slippery slope logic that will always fail testing. That guy murdered someone, is it in his genes???? Still unacceptable behavior regardless of the answer to that question.

>>131595304
everything is a choice, even being a nigger is a choice, look michael jackson

even being a down is a choice, there are downies which aren't even looking like a down anymore, look Robert Pattinson

>>131577748
Gay =/= pedophile
Correlation =/= Causation

pedophilia is a fetish, not a sexuality.

>>131596006
gays are pretty much the same as pedos

russians are redpilled on this, they call gays also pedos instead of calling them gays.

I think pedophile is wrong.

Hebephilia is the thing I am more focus on.

It has been millenniums since Humanity, men and women, have sex and have children. Back then, once women start to have period and is well trained an disciplined by the mothers before them. They will follow the religious prostitution, what we called marriage on contemporary time. So girls as young as 9 could be married. How is this wrong? Only in cultural sense. That our contemporary culture is too myopic to the history of the world. Therefore it is look down upon and banned, both by law and culture. It becomes a social agreement. We all know fucking children is wrong. But how about developed teenagers? How is that wrong again? Because they don't want sex? When I was 13, I wanted to bang my teacher who has a set of double D. :) But oh no, that will be wrong! For the teacher of cos.

>>131596026
THANK

YOU

pedophilia and bestiality are already on the rise

>>131594412

it's a man?

>>131583875
You don't have a hole in your brain? No left-handedness or stunted height?

Maybe it takes a hole in the brain to see the truth these days.

>>131596716
well, ta-daaa

it's not.

>>131596512
Russians don't know a god damned thing and it ought to be a worry that you agree with both Russian hardliners and prison niggers on the fundamentals of human sexuality.

>>131592360
All of this has happened before and will happen again......and again.....and again....and again.....

>>131577748
Irrelevant. If there's a victim, it will always be a crime

So fags are biologically defective dead ends. When faggotry manifests itself, fags die off.

>>131577748
Nerve wiring

Look up why people have foot fetish.

So to answer your question yes it's genetic.


The subhuman mutants should be chemically castrated.

>>131597915
I thought the environment of the womb (in part) determined sexuality?

>>131577748
Yes it is, there are studies on it and pedophiles develop these feelings in childhood. Pedophilia also has an evolutionary advantage over homosexuals as groups with pedophiles start the breeding process earlier on before fertility. The pedophile therefore has a higher chance in reproducibg once their partner is fertile (assume they still try to breed). Also those young who can reproduce the earliest breed faster. So think about how common homosexuality is and how common pedophilia should be in comparison.

>>131577748
who fucking cares into the wood chipper they go!

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>>131577748
Cunny

Leftists are not consistent

Like if there is no such thing as 'sex' how can a tranny say I'm *mentally* a woman in a man's body...

They just got through trying to convince me that *mentally* there is no such thing as a woman or man. Only a few reproductive organs differ, otherwise male and female are identical.

You can't believe both of those things. You just can't, yet if you don't you are 1000 giga-hitlers of distilled evil.

It is literally madness.

>>131581885
So still around 18 to 19?

Just because a 9 year old can, doesn't mean she can carry a healthy baby.
Teenage pregnancies are notorious for being connected to premature births and a ton of birth defects, and even high rates of death due to the fucked up defects and premature babies.

Watch the show 16 and pregnant for real life examples.

They don't have the hips when young, or fine tuned development when older, a body needs.

Most short lived animals (dogs, cats, lizards) don't have a healthy birth until their second year of life, even though they can reproduce in as little as 6 months of life. Otherwise most in their litter are stillborn.

>>131602233
>Like if there is no such thing as 'sex' how can a tranny say I'm *mentally* a woman in a man's body...
They don't say that sex doesn't exist, they say it's a social construct or some other postmodernist/cultural marxist nonsense.

Then they try to explain transgenderism by saying that mentally ill people identify with the sexual social construct of the opposite gender.

>>131577748
yes, most people are, back when women didnt live long they would marry and have children very young to ensure theyd be able to rear it for at least until it was able to go off and do its own thing. it has no place in modern society however

NO. BEING GAY AND BEING A CHILD RAPIST IS NOT PASSED ON THROUGH GENETICS.

Pedophiles should be tortured to death.

>>131600933
>>131577748
>pedos trying to compare fucking a 16 year old with fucking a 10 year old

Every time

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>>131577748
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

>>131584121
this

>>131577748
Both are genetic. Both deserve an oven

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hello /pol/. I am autopedophilia (reverse pedophilia) person..
I mean I want to be the little girl..

>My biggest fantasy is to wake up one morning and find my current adult brain in the body of a sightly over developed 10 year old girl. I would take that little body and allow my adult sexuality to wallow in the intensity of being every pedophile's wet dream come true. When I was that age I didn't appreciate the power of that highly taboo body. I used its power for silly reasons, wasted its potency to deliver a kind of euphoria that normal people will never understand. It takes an adult brain to know how to really enjoy that intensity. Ah, how youth is wasted on the young.

can it also be genetic?

>>131584612
This is true.

>>131580096
To be a little contrarian faggot and """"""different"""""", of course

>>131577748
Yes. This is a hard truth to accept but some people are just born evil. Like psychopaths and pedos. They must be eliminated from society.

>>131603771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1bhZ8Ho00

>>131578129
You sure? I tried jerking to gay porn and found myself trying hard to reach climax, got bored and nutted to loli

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>>131604043
> Like psychopaths and pedos. They must be eliminated from society.

how about lgbt and autopedophilia?
>>131603771

>>131577748
>If [insert psychological urge to commit any crime] is genetic and not a choice, then is [insert psychological urge to commit any crime] also genetic? As in, could someone be born a [insert conviction of any crime]?


>>131577965
The sick fucks are alreay pushing for it. Could someone link the new hollywood propaganda movie that was linked on here earlier?

Incest and necrophilia will also be pushed for in the next couple of years. Be on the lookout for this sick shit and call it out when you see it.

>>131603475
Post this picture in the "how do we get white people to have more children" threads.

Women aren't going to go for children unless you allow them to experience the sexual bond of motherhood.

>>131577748
OP is a major faggot

>>131577748
In all cases,your sexual atttraction is pavlovian conditioning.

If you had an orgasm every time you saw a naked man/woman/water buffalo, eventually it would start turning you on, because of association.

It's possible to ease all people into degeneracy

>>131581037
How could anybody not want to fuck the girl in this picture?

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>>131577748
I dont believe in this garbage about homosexuality or pedosexuality as if it's all distinct. The let has turned homosexuality into a fucking culture. It's retarded.

I think sexuality doesn't exist but what does exist is situation where people are more or less attracted to particular "fetishes" (for lack of a better word)

Let's say that same sex attraction was one "fetish", heterosexuality was another "fetish" and pedophilia was another "fetish". Someone could be absolutely be 100% hetero but only 2% homo but maybe 10% pedo.

And yes, genetics does play a part on how predisposed people are to certain sexualities but environment plays a large part too.

>>131578825
Wikipedia also says that the holocaust happened

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>>131577748
>If homosexuality is genetic and not a choice...

Stop right there citizen

>>131578129

>reproduce
gays

yes lets have anal kids

>>131578129
>cancer is a choice too

>>131578638
The filthy fucking communist is right actually. What is now considered pedo hysteria was for the longest span of time just the normal state of the human species before rampant leftism began undermining traditional values. Go back to the 1800s and look how many adult men wrote adoring "love letters" to young girls, even Mark Twain wrote one.

>>131583280

Not trying to be contrarian, but at 11 or 12, I wanted to fuck everyone from Carmen Electra to the cheerleading slut that sat in front of me. But I see your point. I agree with the point that the age of females they're attracted to never progress. Could explain why hot, thirty-something teachers choose to fuck 15 year old Chads, because that's what they were initially sexually attracted to and never progressed.

>>131578825
>and do not view it as a choice

if sexuality is a choice, does that mean gay conversion therapy work?

>>131590661
>homosexuality is very likely due to environment
Of course it is. Gay men have usually been a victim of sexual abuse when they were children. (Which is why the Left will push for pedophilia, because they can make more gays).
And lesbians have been spurned by men too many times.
There are no genetics to this, because it would be a genetic dead end. A organism's sole purpose is to reproduce, and homsexuality reduces fitness. The argument that this may be a population control is flawed because the most populace counties and the ones with high population density should have the most gays (as a way of ensuring the species thins its numbers) but it doesn't work like that.
Once you take away the genetic argument, then you realize that gay people choose to be that way, and their choice does not give them special rights

Yes. It doesn't matter if it is natural that does not make it okay. Disgenic tendencies and populations need to be put to death in order to keep the genes strong. I don't like it but that's the truth.

>>131607081

Gay conversion therapy, which claims to eliminate all attraction to the same gender in a rapid period of time, is stupid and nonsensical.

There is nothing to "convert" from because there is no such thing as being "gay".
Certain people can develop varying degrees of attraction to the same sex, just like many people have certain attractions to a whole lot of other things.

Attraction towards the same gender needs to be treated as other deviant attractions like voyerism, or fetishization of a certain race, or attraction to promiscuity or the generally destructive feelings of strong lust in general.

They should acknowledge that they have feelings of disordered lust just like everyone else, and choose not to act on them. Its that simple

>>131579297
sexual reproduction and the deviance associated with that is not the same thing as committing murder in the abstract sense. also morality is subjective within cultures and epochs.

>>131607325
Homosexuality is partly genetic. It has the effect of making the carrier more attracted to men and hypersexual. This would lead to women who breed early and men who are attracted to men. Environmental factors make them and lesbians act on their desires.

>>131606824
Who cares what humans have traditionally done? Pedophilia and hebephilia are damaging to children. Underaged girls are more likely to die in childbirth or have under developed, deformed babies.

Both practices are harmful to society and should be stamped out whenever and where ever they arise.

>>131608194
>Who cares what humans have traditionally done? Pedophilia and hebephilia are damaging to children
>society progresses just fine for thousands of years and creates the great civilizations, governments, and technologies that brought us our modern age
>REEE NOW WE ARBITRARILY THINK IT'S DAMAGING DESPITE NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE TO THIS EFFECT, YOU MUST OBEY OUR DEGENERATE PROPAGANDA AND RACEMIX YOU GOYIM

>>131608406
That's not what I meant. Past civilizations were plenty fucked up as well. The Greeks practised infanticide. By removing those degenerate parts of the tradition and keeping the helpful ones we will develop to be better.

>>131578129
Maybe you should engage in some meaningful research pertaining to the XQ28 genetic marker instead of spewing intellectually bankrupt nonesene, brainlet.

>>131608648
We removed degenerate aspects of society VERY VERY early on. Appreciation for the beauty of adolescence is a protective quality that has stayed with us through every great advancement in human culture. It is ONLY in the VERY RECENT past that the zionist globalist agenda has started to undermine it and eat away at the foundations of our societies.

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>>131608406
>>131608917

>claims there is no evidence
>plenty of evidence suggesting people who become sexually active earlier in life are more likely to fall victim to mental illness, substance abuse, failed marriages and promiscuity

Also
>tries to link race mixing and zionism to anti-child fucking in order to give his degenerate fetish a right wing spin so no one will attack him

Not going to work, you Godless Oriental.

Repent now.

>>131609142
Leftist politicized science from sjw hypercuck liberal universities, oh I'm so impressed.

>>131608695
Faggot. Evidence that XQ28 is linked to homosexuality is tremulous at best.

>>131577748
Homosexuality is not genetic. It's caused by a virus or a bacteria. Something like toxoplasma.

>>131578825
Right... first rule of Wikipedia: don't trust Wikipedia. It's fine for general knowledge or trivia, but any page of political or ideological weight will be biased out the ass.

The edit wars tend to be won by those who are willing to spend the time fighting over a wiki page, and baring the occasional /b/ invasion that 'honor' goes to leftists.

>>131578129
It may be that even if all gays failed reproduce, homosexuality would still exist. We don't know if there is a "gay gene" that could be eliminated through natural selection.

>>131578638
kys pedo commie faggot

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>>131577748
Nope pedophilia is a fetish or a preference not a sexuality. There are gay, straight and bisexual pedophiles to illustrate that.
It may not be a choice you as a pedophile made (you arent kidding anyone btw) but one that your nurturing had as a consequence i.e. child abuse. It is however a choice whether you engage in a CRIMINAL act for your own pleasure or CHOOSE not to.

All that said you should probably kill yourself before anyone finds out because lynching may be the undesired alternative.

>>131577748
>homosexuality is genetic
my mom (who birthed me) is lesbian and i dont even like traps

>>131594009
>They are fucking frightened of taking charge of their lives and being responsible for their happiness.

This


I was 15, my girlfriend of 2 years dumped me, fucked my best friend, a relative of mine and started dating the guy that i had beef with during that time.

I was so miserable, as pathetic as it sounds reading stoic type literature (thanks high school english) made me a much more resilient and happy person.

Life's going to be alright, stop whining and move on.

>>131578129
That's not how brain disorders work.

Why does it matter if genetic or not?

Let gay people do what they want, it's their bodies and they aren't harming anyone other than consenting adults through the same amount of risk as straight intercourse.

>>131589606
My god, stop posting. You're fucking retarded.

>>131578129
You are a retard
It's a genetic allele that's linked to an increased amount babies in genetic females
It helps with the reproduction of females and hinders males thus evening out
Another interesting thing is that the allele linked with female homosexuality is completely different from the male one

People can be born fucked up, and people can be conditioned to be fucked up. Hence all the conditioning.

>>131615779
You mean consenting humans, right?

>>131579665
>>131578066
this.

if homosexuality was genetic it would not exist by now, since according to evolution those who cant reproduce end up disappearing.

homosexuality and pedophilia are caused by childhood traumas.

here are a few examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8

>>131615779
Because muh 2000 year old book told me its WRONG

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>>131578129
>If it was genetic, gays would not reproduce and go extinct.
That's not how genes work. Keep smoking that weed though, might as well fully lobotomize your brain retarded aquafresh.

>>131589807
This is funny.
This is a deep philosophical argument between more than one viewpoint i think.
I dont think that the intellectual religious community thinks that being gay as in being attracted to guys is a choice but that being gay as in acting on your gay desires is a choice. Religious people would want you to bite the bullet get a wife and have 8 christian children while repressing your gay side. They see you being gay as your cross to bare.
Not saying thats fair but pretty sure thats what a lot of them thin
not sure if that other anon meant that or if he thinks the attraction part is a choice too.

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>>131578129
Attraction to other men (or women) isn't a choice.
Acting on that attraction of other men (or women) IS a choice however.
Hence why so many want to believe that they're born gay, while others say it was their choice to be gay.
However, nobody is born with any sexuality, it forms primarily by nature, but can be influenced by nurture. Gay experiences as a child (often traumatic) lead to gay lifestyles as adults.

>>131615378
>Nope pedophilia is a fetish or a preference not a sexuality.
There is absolutely no point to saying that some sexual actions or feelings are "sexuality" but that some other sexual actions or feelings aren't. Anything sexual you think or do is sexuality cause that's the definition of the word.

>It may not be a choice you as a pedophile made (you arent kidding anyone btw) but one that your nurturing had as a consequence i.e. child abuse. It is however a choice whether you engage in a CRIMINAL act for your own pleasure or CHOOSE not to.
literally undistinguishable from something they would have said about gays a few years ago

>>131615971
>if homosexuality was genetic it would not exist by now, since according to evolution those who cant reproduce end up disappearing.
are you like twelve? do you know anything about evolution? please tell me how a single gene causes a single thing and then controls your entire life.

>here are a few examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8
no it's this one source that's the same every time and it doesn't prove anything about anything

>>131577965
Not exactly difficult to predict. The Greens used to be openly in favor of childfucking all across the Western world just a bit above a decade ago.
And they hardly changed the composition of their members till then. They are still in favor of it, just waiting for a better moment to push it.

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>When one identical twin is gay, his brother, sharing the *exact* same set of genes, is only gay ~50% of the time at most, depending on whose data you look at
>The "born this way" gay-gene meme still somehow continues to exist

There may very well be genes for a higher likelihood of turning out gay under certain circumstances, much the same way that there are genes which give people a predisposition toward any number of other things too, like alcoholism. But to even give the identical twin data a cursory glance is to see clear as day that a purely-genetic "born this way" explanation for homosexuality just plain does not match up with reality. Literally any number less than 100% would be a smoking gun disproving the theory entirely, and the actual data suggests that it isn't even quite half.

>>131617455
Sadly, therapy for sexual leanings will never be allowed because of the screeching left.
Doesn't matter that there are people who actually suffer under it, like pedophiles, who would probably happily accept therapy (assuming they can go through with it without being outed).

>>131579665
Can confirm. I didn't start having an interest in the same sex until I was molested by cousin and later my neighbor. Knowing this doesn't stop me from being a little gay, but I wasn't born this way.

Two of my best friends are full blown queers as well and both were diddled by family members. The trend is a bit too constant to be ruled out at the very least.

>>131615971
>if homosexuality was genetic it would not exist by now, since according to evolution those who cant reproduce end up disappearing.

That simplifies it a bit. It would also be sufficient if the gene responsible for it (assuming there is one) is just very prone to mutation, probably just switching between on and off.

Not that I am saying it's 100% genetic, I am sure lots of it is down to environmental influences. Especially judging by all the gays I know.
But I don't think you can rule a genetic influence out that easily.

>>131617455
google "homosexuals brain difference"
Also it's believed that you turn gay in the fetus, and how much hormones/nautrition etc. the twins gets can vary.

Any number less than 100%, but as high as 50% (much higher than the general population) would imply that it's genetics and environment - which would be one explaination to why genes for gayness are spreading, when they really shouldn't this much.

>>131617786
>therapy for sexual leanings
Doesn't work as they are already gay. Could you become gay through therapy?

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(What you would call a) Lefty here.

Yeah it clearly is. That doesn't mean it's fine. Homosex is fine because it doesn't harm anything but your delicate sensibilities.

Pedophilia is bad cause it fucks up kids who grow up all fucked up which is a problem for society.

I can't believe this shit needs to be spelled out.

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>>131616947
>There is absolutely no point to saying that some sexual actions or feelings are "sexuality" but that some other sexual actions or feelings aren't. Anything sexual you think or do is sexuality cause that's the definition of the word.
Yes there is. Just because you for obvious reasons dont want to differentiate doesnt mean that gender and age arent totally different desires.
>>131616947
>literally undistinguishable from something they would have said about gays a few years ago
Which means it has to be abolished because nothing muh patriarchy ever made could possibly be a good idea.
You are still fucking a mentally underdeveloped person that due to this inherent disability is not capable of consenting.
Even if you genuienly believe that the child can consent it still opens up the floodgates to abuse by starvation of alternate experiences.
Take Fritzls rape babies as example.
If all you know is torment then its not torment but the only relationship you have.
But all this is irrelevant because its not like homosexuality because they are children and not grown ups and they are underdeveloped.
There is a reason our wording for abused and unhinged individuals is "fucked up" but all you care about is fucking something that for once is less powerful than you. Says a lot about you that it ends up being children.

>>131578129
>If it was genetic, gays would not reproduce and go extinct.

Yeah, just like retards are extinct because they don't reproduce

>>131618311
>Doesn't work as they are already gay

If they were turned gay by external influences rather than genetic ones, it should be possible to reverse it to some degree.

Unlikely that we'll ever find out though because research into that direction wouldn't be allowed.

>>131617455
Identical twins do not have identical DNA, there are variations.
Keep embarrassing yourself fampai.

>>131577748
Yes, Pedophilia Nervosa is a hereditary disease. We've known that since the19th century.
Please google questions before asking 4chan.

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>>131609184
if your mental illness is so "natural", then why do Jews push for it so much? Dont you realize you're on the wrong side when Jews and leftists are the only ones going to back you up on your "argument".

Just because something once was, does not mean it must be. To get where we are now, humans have suffered in numerous terrible ways, torture methods have been invented that prolong the human suffering for as long as possible, brazen bull, skinned alive, slowly stretched to pieces, pierced with a pole through the anus, eaten alive by insects, drying to death.

Just because something was prevalent many years ago, does not mean its good.

Pedophilliia is a mental illness that needs to be purged.
Why do you think the Weimar republic fell?

You're just a sick disgusting english teacher who lusts for little children, you cant win this. Commit suduko to save the little honor you may still have.

>>131618379
>Yes there is.
really made me think. please bring an argument next time.

>You are still fucking a mentally underdeveloped person that due to this inherent disability is not capable of consenting.
how do you determine when this holy "developed enough" stage occurs?

>opens up the floodgates to abuse
why would abuse be allowed? are you stupid?

>all you care about is fucking something that for once is less powerful than you
I don't get it. Is this not what all heterosexual men want to do?

>Says a lot about you that it ends up being children.
stop projecting

>>131619120
do you understand how christian you are being right now? just curious.

>>131619559
no i dont. Im not religious.

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>>131619559
>how do you determine when this holy "developed enough" stage occurs?
When they cease to be children and are responsible for themselves. When that is may vary from country to country just as much as it does from person to person.
>why would abuse be allowed? are you stupid?
You fucking retard it allows the possibility of abuse that by virtue of the circumstances is not seen as such because the victim never knew any different. Children are guillable as they are formable and their will can easily be bent.
That said fucking a child is abuse in the first place so you are just delusional.
>I don't get it. Is this not what all heterosexual men want to do?
No its to have children. What are men supposed to do? Be fickle faggots like you on purpose? Men are stronger than women because we are a dimorphic species and the more disposable of the two in reproduction is the obvious candidate to take on greater risks. They arent weaker so that men can easily rape them they are weaker because their body is designed to to cope better under malnurishment because in a tribal setting (and our body has not yet evolved beyond) it is more important that a woman survive where a man may starve. Muscles require energy to maintain and women deposit fat to increase survival under such conditions. Thats why we are primed to find THICC women attractive.
Its not their child bearing hips for fucks sake their skeletons arent suddenly wider jsut because they get fat.
>stop projecting
Oh yeah right you like your womyn stronk but for some reason you are defending fucking children who can literally mount no physical or mental defense of their own.

>>131585581
Very true for nearly every area of life. It's not popular sentiment these days though. People love the scapegoat, and playing the blame game is quite the pastime