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>>131553034
Related:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672390/

The article basically states that it's food that is the main factor in preventing preventable diseases, instead of pharmaceuticals, with which I wholeheartedly agree.

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>>131553034
Here's another bump. Sadly threads like these can't gain traction because /pol/ is just retards circlejerking about fascism or sjws

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>>131555877

A shift is coming.
If we keep inserting these kinds of seeds into the sub-conscious of our collective species, it will come to fruition, I have no doubt. We crave a change in this direction. So while it may not gain traction right now, we're planting the seeds for a better tomorrow.

Hold fast righteous men!

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I know we want to reject or ignore this information but we must all learn, or be stuck here forever untill we do learn. Suffering is your choice. It can end now, or you can prolong it infinitely until you choose to do the right thing.

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>>131553034
That's exactly what we should do.
We need more sane and truly redpilled people and less cuck retards who side with the government and big business. or even criticize them for not being pro meat and pro junk food enough (sarah palin and her soda and things like that)

>>131553034
Try getting a brain before posting next time.
Sagetta.

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>>131557567

We need to take responsability for our thoughts, emotions and through them, actions if we are ever to wean off the illusion of external government of self. If we do not, we will keep making flawed civilizations destined for failure.

I hope you and many others realize though, that that means being inclusive of other races, religions, customs and cultures.

I know this might not be what most would want to hear but it's the truth. It will find itself into the hearts and minds of all conscious beings. If not, they may not even have the honor of calling themselves that, as they would be mere products of their impulses and therefore their environments, completely incapable of exercising free will. It is your choice which one you identify with.

>>131553034
are you still online OP?

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Yes

>>131553034
Loma Linda is south to the nigger and spic infest shithole that is San Bernardino - sound familiar? - they're only kept at bay because they're priced out of the area.

>>131561717

Why would we value these places higher than crime infested hell holes, I wonder?

>>131561134

Why?

>>131561177
Let's consider western civilization for the sake of argument. Would you say that that society is
1) moving in a better* direction, as we overcome our negative animalistic instincts and pre-scientific ignorance,
or are we
2) regressing further from the (ethically) good way of living (i.e. close to god and creation) as time goes on?

Or is there some other way society develops or has developed? I.e. in good and bad periods or with one greatest period or what have you.

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>>131553034
>culturally isolated
Fuck this raciss craka ass study.
How da fuck we gone pay for clothes for school and shiieet?
We need to keep more money on dem programz

>>131562195

We have the potential for both. But for the western way of living I would say the second. And also, I believe that most can't articulate what is wrong or what they need to be doing to correct this wrong-ness, but they feel intuitively that it is wrong. They just feel powerless.

We are being, I feel, purposely led into decay and destruction by psychopaths who enjoy seeing good things perish. They are themselves already mentally and emotionally destroyed and would see the world brought down to their level of non-connected-ness with this eternal force we call consciousness.

Thing is, we can't really blame them for this behavior, as we are the ones enabling them to take us into this grotesque direction. We must own up to things feeling wrong, and take decisive action to rectify the situation.

>>131562204

This is actually a legitimate question. If everyone is content and happy and there is no more need for mindless consumerism, how will we keep an economy afloat, is what it comes down to.

The answer is a resource based economy. Anyone not familiar with this concept, I recommend checking https://www.thevenusproject.com/
There's a tab explaining resource based economy and at the same time offers a really elegant model, but of course, theoretical future society.

>>131561883
It's specifically the Seventh-day Adventist in the area that they reference too. It's a nice city, but whites only make up about 37 percent of the cities population and the Adventists even less.

>>131562609
Is the "optimal way of living" one that promotes a society like the former of like the latter?

(Unless you don't agree to the dichotomy of the development of society.)

>>131553034
No smoking ? Your fucking utopia zone sounds like a dictatorial country.
Weird coming from Netherlands

>>131563302

No, I roughly agree, we are either regressing or progressing. I understand that sometimes along the way of progress there is failure and 'regression', which feels like the point you're trying to make, but there is also a point where the amount of failures overcome progress, resulting in general regression.

>>131563470

It's not prohibited in any way there mind you. It's just that the circumstances of their life don't drive them to smoke. They are making the free-will choice not to smoke because they are content without and don't feel like they need it to cope with anything, which is what smoking always is, a coping mechanism.

>>131563262

You are too hung up on race and religion.

>>131563820
I'm smoking because it goes well with drinks, not because of stress
What about drugs desu ? would you allow drugs ?

>>131564050

I can't 'allow' anything. You are in full control of your own actions regardless of my actions. So yes, it would be 'allowed'. But in these kinds of societies, they wouldn't be needed in an individual's life to fill some gaping void which is created by the absence of the healthy factors.

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>>131557951
I think taking responsibility for our thoughts, emotions, and actions as white people means throwing off the "slave morality" that causes us to make poor choices based on the endorphin boost we get from believing in universal equality and contributing to short-term benefits of other races at the expense of long-term well being for us and, frankly, all of humanity.
We need to adopt "master morality" and force ourselves to confront the actual repercussions of our actions, as well as the hard truth that equality is a lie.
If by "being inclusive" you mean allowing other races, religions, customs, and cultures to exist within their own homelands then I can be persuaded to agree. If you mean allowing foreign races, religions, customs, and cultures to proliferate in our own homelands, then I don't think your philosophy is compatible with reality.

>>131562926
>resource based
Stop it. You know very well that is another name for socialism.
Infinite growth is the only way to maintain progress in an economy. With it, advances in science and engineering will continue to evolve.
INB4 infinite growth paradigm

>>131563653
That's not exactly what I meant, but from your answering "along the way", I gather that you see society as some kind of journey towards a better destination.

Or, if this is not the case, do you then see society, as it becomes more developed, as moving away from the (perhaps spiritual or innocent) connection we had with nature before we had society? (A kind of Garden of Eden if you will.)

>>131564251
Soft drugs are recreational . Psychedelics can develop spirituality and contemplation.
You can't say that a society is complete without these aspects, can you ?

>>131564907
I can.

>>131564512

If everyone on Earth would live in a society such as this, noone would feel the need to massively emmigrate to other, more prosperous countries. They would most likely stay put, as their genetic sensibilities would be tuned to the land their genes were developed in. So I don't really believe race, religion, cultures etc clashing would really be a huge issue as it is today.

And as for 'master morality' and the somehow intrinsic superior worth of the white race; you are wrong and will never be right. There are no masters nor slaves. You live a dualistic life and need to shed these supposed divisions. We are all one people, one consciousness. What you are feeling now is a side-effect of man-made wealth inequality.

>>131564825

There is an orderly state of being and an a-synchronicity. That's really as simple as I can be. It's obvious in which state we are today.

>>131557413
>stuck here forever
Don't worry! Shitposting with your international group of best buds here on /pol/ counts as "social engagement," silly!

>>131564907
>>131565038

I'm saying, in a healthy and spiritually developed nation or even world such as this, these things would be seen as superfluous. Of course people will partake of them, just as crime or negative actions in general will never be truly gone. Cancer will always creep in in some way. But by living right, we minimize the oppertunity for the cancer to destroy the greater organism.

>especially wine
Why

Also soy is for fagboys who want to grow tits and get feminized

>>131565053
I suppose I should clarify that by "master and slave morality" I am referring to the Nietzschean philosophy concept and not actual masters or slaves. Slave morality being primarily concerned with intention of actions, and master morality being primarily concerned with consequences of actions. I see how this could be taken the wrong way even by someone familiar with the philosophy.

>If everyone on Earth would live in a society such as this, noone would feel the need to massively emmigrate to other, more prosperous countries. They would most likely stay put, as their genetic sensibilities would be tuned to the land their genes were developed in. So I don't really believe race, religion, cultures etc clashing would really be a huge issue as it is today.

As long as this situation is the goal I can find common ground with anyone, despite the fundamental disagreement as to whether or not all people are equal.

OK let me try a different approach because I really want to understand what you're saying...
>>131553034
>our own selfish, animalistic impulses, which must in time lead us to self-destruction
So, on a personal level, being stuck in animalistic impulses leads to self-destruction?

>>131564774
How does infinite growth work when resources or population capacity are not unlimited? (not including eventual space colony expansion)

>>131565528
>the cancer to destroy the greater organism
that sounds kinda dictatorial
How would you have a spiritually developed society if you regard various forms of spirituality as cancer ?

>>131566220

Yes. Giving yourself over to impulse means giving yourself over to your environment which will never prioritize your well-being. You must look out for yourself. Take responsability for your own actions. Basically discipline yourself.

If everyone does this, we reach a state of equilibrium with one another. But this will not work if not almost all people are on board. If you feel like most of your human rights are infringed upon, you will feel the need to do the same to others to 'make it fair'.

>>131565528
>>131566668
To further develop the idea , any society that puts the group over individual rights, is likely to be a totalitarian one.
I have enough experience with such and don't want to live in again

>>131566668

Natural law is dictatorial as it is the only truth in the known Universe. Using substances to alter the mind will never be a moral thing to do, sorry. Pure consciousness is the way you should be experiencing this life. Any spirituality you gain from substances is twisted and hollow. It may lead you to true spirituality however, but once truly spiritual, you will no longer feel the need for the substances.

>>131566937

I'm saying that we as individuals put our group over the self, as it is the hivemind we are all a part of, and it's health dictates our own individual health and it is therefore in our own best interest to serve the group.

What I'm not saying however is a government of any kind forcably implementing this. We as individuals need to grow up and work for the greater good. We value our own life and individuality first. But we also recognize that to take best care of ourselves, we take care of our environment as well.

>>131567006
>once truly spiritual, you will no longer feel the need for the substances
so, basically, this society would be formed from Tibetan monks only,

>>131566698
Ok, I can grant that giving yourself over to impulse means giving over to environment, since the very impulses are from the environment itself. If my impulse is to do something bad (e.g. drink excessive wine) then I should resist the urge, i.e. ignore it.

But what if the impulse is to do something good (e.g. to not drink excessive wine)? Should I resist it just the same? How will I--or, who will--judge which impulses should be followed, if any at all?

>>131567432
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>all of these things

So literally how humans lived for all of history until the pharmaceutical revolution and (((postmodernism)))?
Huh, I wonder if there is a SOLUTION that could be proposed to get back to this way of life, something that could be FINAL?

>>131567464
go to sleep Dirk.

>>131566081

Intention is not something to be discarded of. Beware this road my friend.

There would still be free emmigration across the globe, and therefore a mingling of cultures etc. You have to let go of your inferiority complex masquerading as a superiority complex. It has no place in the new world.

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>>131566081

Nature is the morality for the future. Master and slave designations come from the sickness known as civilization.

Ah, of course, the legumes! That's what I've been forgetting, thanks OP.

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>>131567515

Research the inhabitants of these places if you would. They are by no means monks, they enjoy life to the fullest and enjoy many of lifes greates pleasures.

>>131567464

Discipline means having a conscious choice. Choosing which impulse to give into, and which to let pass through you. You reinforce that which is good and let go that which is not.

>>131567377
>individuals put our group over the self, as it is the hivemind we are all a part of
The hivemind is one of the most disgusting and dangerous possibilities
It's individuality that makes us human, there's no way you can deny this

>>131567963
And good being those drives which are not animalistic, because they lead to my self-destruction?

>>131567971

Yes, but a person can still make individual choices on what to do with his day. It's not that we become some sort of homogenous being. We are all automatically part of the hivemind, even right now. We are connected through consciousness with everything around us. We as individuals need to make the choice what our contribution will be, entropy or creation.

>>131568299
*those things that*

>>131567700
>niggas don't know about my legumes

>>131568299

I recommend you try meditation and self reflection. Spirituality will put you more in touch with what is right and wrong. Reducing the signal of the ego will let shine through a signal from a higher entity than your own body and its needs. I know that may sound out there right now, but it's the truth.

If, after, you are still at a loss about what is right and wrong, almost all major religions are generally right about the subject.

>>131553034
I don't want to live longer if I'm going to be an old shriveled grandpa most of that long time. What I want is to never get old. If a demon appeared in front of me right now and offered a choice either to live a thousand years but age normally or live just a hundred years without ageing, I would pick the latter any day. Sadly, no amount of legumes is going to make you forever young.

>>131568309
>We are connected through consciousness with everything around us
This is what I don't like about oriental and new age stuff.
If we are one big consciousness , what is the point of existing ? What is the point of experimenting and being able to take decisions ?
The step from this to agreeing to sacrifice one individual for the good of the group is very small, I think there are plenty historical examples of that

>>131567700
>>131568358

Do not underestimate the power of eating the seeds of things though. They contain the complete spectrum of their eventual manifestations.

>thinly veiled commie thread
Not even worth a bullet. I'd get some moderate physical activity by bludgeoning you to death instead.

>>131567616
Ideally it's not to be discarded of course, but discarding the responsibility to carefully consider consequences in favor of focusing on intent is a road which becomes orders of magnitude more dangerous.
I'm unsure where you're getting this imagined perception of superiority/inferiority complexes, but I assure you that they are, in fact, imagined.

>>131567634
Interesting, do you believe civilization is inherently a sickness? Or are you referring to our current civilization as a sick one?
Either way, the master and slave designations as I was using them are nothing but tools for articulating concepts. I think they are quite elegant and useful as tools for this purpose but to each his own.

>>131569023

The point of existing is existing, as hard as that may be to swallow. Consciousness will never cease. All concepts of time and space exist within it. All who live in individualistic experiences have chosen to detach from this eternal state of unity to discover, or remember really, why we want to be part of this state. We choose to forget our true nature, to go on a journey of rediscovering it. Making decisions gives us as detached individual experiences a larger 'picture' of what it means to be all, as 'time' progresses. Good/moral decisions going in the direction of unity and bad/amoral decisions leading in the direction of ever greater detachment.

So to answer simply, the point of your individualistic human life is to discover why you would want unity/love/good/light, whatever you might call the ultimate force. I personally call it pure consciousness.

>>131569731

Your need to put one aspect of being over another is a clear indication of such complexes. Balance between the two seemingly polar opposites must be struck. They are in fact two sides of the same coin.

>>131570451
>Your need to put one aspect of being over another is a clear indication of such complexes.
I disagree, it's more of a reaction to the reality we find ourselves in now.
I do agree that a balance should ideally be struck; but when the dangers of the scale tipping to one side are so much more egregious than to the other (as I believe they are), one has to question whether or not striving to tip the scale in the other direction is more beneficial than striving solely for a fragile state of balance.

It is an attractive idea to think of things as two sides of the same coin, and it might be an apt metaphor in certain contexts. But, more often than not, it either clouds the important differences or is entirely mistaken.

Reality simply isn't as balanced as we would like it to be.

>>131571697

I would argue that it is infinitely balanced, but our limited subjective experience of it makes it seem unbalanced, because we can, quite literally, only see one side of the coin. The grass is always greener on the other side is quite an accurate metaphor of this effect.

Paradoxes do not exist but in the human mind.

>>131570008
You are part right, but while we might come from the same source, we will never return to it. It's because evolution must exist at all levels

>>131572524

Evolution is cyclical process. It is bound to evolve back into a state of one-ness. Might not be the type of unity imagined by us but it will be unity. Same as that the Universe sprang forth from the big bang and that it will 'end' in an even spread of this singularity, creating the 'nothing-ness' from which new 'something-ness' will emerge. Existence is a toroidal form, looping away and back into itself at every point. Look into holographic Universe theory if you're interested.

Anyhow, it's getting late.

Just a reminder that love is all we ever strive for, in different forms, and to let it in, all anyone has to do is just let go of fear. All that will remain is love.

>>131572156
If by "infinitely balanced" you are referring to the entirety of existence ultimately being balanced then I do agree.
The thing is; in a vast system which is ultimately balanced, it is imprudent to assume that any one sample of that system would be as perfectly balanced as the whole.

We must work with what we have, which is not perfectly balanced and probably never will be.

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>>131566443
>How does infinite growth work when resources or population capacity are not unlimited?
Through innovation. Whenever resources are or capacities are at their limits, innovation occurs.
This is why western capitalism and consumerism always wins the race. Its an economic driver in that new solutions to old challenges will always be needed.

>>131573142
While we still seem to fundamentally disagree, at least you can articulate your position at a much higher level than most others who hold the same or similar views, and I can appreciate that.

Sleep well, anon.

>>131573406
Why do you have to hit him with a back handed compliment for?

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>>131573850
I must admit to a lack of awareness here.
What was my back handed compliment?

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What's wrong with wine doesn't make you supposedly live longer?