>Things you disagree about with Trump Torture doesnt work

>>131547461
Water boarding isn't torture, dude
It's psychological duress

>>131547461
torture is a useful tool, why throw away a tool that still work because its old?

>>131547461
Torture doesn't work, however the threat of it works quite well, which means the waterboardings must continue

>>131547748
>can cause dry drowning, damage to lungs and brain from oxygen deprivation
>Almost drowning someone over and over is just mind games

Anyone who holds this belief has never been waterboarded.

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>>131547461
is that a real tweet?

>>131547461
>country which spent the cold war sucking russian dick telling america what to do

>>131548709
This is:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525

I SOMMON THEE, NORD

>>131547461
>stop shilling for Israel
Nah, he needs to be the goodest goy of them all until we're in a position to actually address Israel. If he comes out anti-semite now, the game's over.

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>>131548835

Soviet dick.

Those weren't easy times. You do what you gotta do

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>>131548617
>implying the average /pol/ack has been waterboarded

he's dumb for supporting a bunch of kikes. dumb for not pandering to latinos who arent really liberal but voted for hillary cause of his comments. this orange nigger could've of gotten a huge loyal following from the mexicans but he had to disrespect them. i know theres an immigration problem but causing your south of the border neighbor to go full nazi mode because of comments is stupid.

>>131547461
Fuck off shill, torture works. Just don't do it to the subject. Find their families and do it to them.

Makes them crack much better, you just also have to be experienced in reading people. Some people are going to tell you whatever they think you want to hear, so you need to be adept in mind games to know whether they're lying or not. If they're lying, you just torture their family to death in front of them for wasting your time and resources.

Make examples.

hey guys

>>131547461
so what exactly do you disagree with?
everything he said is correct

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>>131548617
>tfw I used to see how long I could last waterboarding myself in the bath as a kid

>>131547461
>no wall
>doing shit in syria
literally his 2 points that made /pol/ support him and he went back on them.

>>131547748
It's still torture.

>>131549640
agreed.

Something has to be done about the border situation though. A lot of whites wouldn't have supported him if not for the wall. The wall alienates mexicans, but, desu, they're a minority of votes, and the real immigrants who went through hell to naturalize are going to support him. Amnesty is a slap in the face to them.

My wife's family is Mexican, all legal immigrants, and they are all pro-trump. A nation must have borders to exist. Pretending the southern border is secure doesn't fix the problem.

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>>131549541
I wish it was 2010 again

>>131549646
How old are you? Just curious.

>>131550015
27.

It doesn't work on psychopaths, but nothing does.

Ultimately, if your enemies are still human, they have something they care about. Find it, break it. Break them.

>Torture doesn't work
Hundreds of thousands of years of human development disagree.

I don't think we needed to give the military an unlimited budget

>>131548088
but it isn't useful. You will get answers, and you will get information, but you won't know if it is accurate.

>>131549947
It's the same thing if you use their family retard this isn't a fucking movie if they don't know shit they can't tell you shit.

>>131550134
torture is about sizing up your enemy, and finding the chink in their psychological armor.

It's about the right technique in the right place. Human rights are bullshit, war is war, and your goals need to be accomplished. Treating enemy soldiers as human is the wrong approach, at least when your enemy doesn't play by the Geneva convention.

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>>131549541
>having a picture of cenk saved on your device

>>131547461
>Torture doesnt work
lmfao, bullshit. It absolutely terrifies your enemies and cripples morale. It also doesn't create collateral damage.

>>131548709
it is:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/527544512844136448

>>131550392
It's not a movie, but psychology works.

You think the CIA doesn't collect information on everyone everywhere?

Why are we able to track released terrorist movements and associations in places like Qatar?

Point is, the US intelligence network is pretty damn vast, the biggest issue is that it collects too much info, and takes too long for humans to sift through it.

>>131550541
wow

>>131550392
Also, this.
>>131550512

>>131547461
>torture doesnt work
>only has been used since dawn of humanity to get info from fags

>>131547461
>Snowden is a traitor
The people have a right to at least know that their government is watching them, even if it is for their own good.

>>131550396
an enemy that doesn't follow the 'rules' of war should not be protected by them, the exact FUCKING same way that the victim of a criminal should not be punished for defending themselves. The criminal cast off the law and does not deserve to be protected by it

>>131547748
This.

Its over in like 2 seconds and has no lasting physical effects. Any psychological after effect is probably akin to a normie just spending a few nights on /pol/

>>131550778
If he only released that, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but he released everything, and blew undercover ops overseas as well.

Is that the right of Americans? To expose overseas intelligence operations?

>>131549640
>dumb for not pandering to latinos
Fuck off nigger. Those latinos are just as bad as the arab niggers flooding europe.

>>131550674
>to extremely mixed results
>usually makes people hate you

No human deserves torture; the best we can ask for is a quick death.

>>131550674
disinfo

>>131550818
Exactly my point.

If the enemy doesn't play by the rules, you shouldn't have to either.

Moral high ground doesn't mean shit to your fallen soldiers who died in vain, because the enemy had a sniper set up in a hospital.

>>131547461
his shilling for Israel makes me question every single one of his motives

>>131547461
and Obama did not suck any dicks why netayahu was down to throat in obama dick to just stay alive.

>>131550674
except it wasnt, it was used to obtain confession. torture only works when the information you expect to gain is immediately verifiable, like the code to a safe next to you.

>>131550888
>Its over in like 2 seconds

Waterboarding can go on for hours at a time, idiot. They let you JUST catch your breath so you don't die.

>>131548088
Oh it works if you want answers. You'll just get the wrong answers.

>>131547461
Is there any limits to how much he loves Bibi's dick?

>>131547748
>waterboarding isn't torture
t. armchair general
please you fat cunt, I'd love to see you say that after 2 hours of it, you wouldn't handle a few minutes of it

>>131551019
It's not about the moral high ground retard it's that torture doesn't even work.

>>131547461
>Torture doesnt work and its third world tier.
Spotted the cuck.

>>131551717

Torture does work, to a degree. It has mixed results, but it does work. Sometimes you get worthwhile information, and sometimes you get nothing.

What do you propose? Ask nicely? Just do without?

>>131547461
America first policy

>>131547461
>torture doesn't work

It worked great on McCain. He sang like a canary and caused the deaths of American soldiers.

Even if you think torture isnt effective, how can you be against it?

It is highly satisfying knowing your enemies are suffering and good to make them fear you.

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>>131552030
Torture works like shit.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2017/01/27/torture-science-efficacy/#.WVLANYTyuJA

>inb4 fake news
>inb4 dey jewish

They literally cite a Nazi interrogator for his efficiency while NOT using torture.

Im not sure about nethanyahu he seems cool guy but at the same time his actions are questionable

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>>131550893
you're mixing indios with actual decent mexicans. Not all mexicans are shitty, just the uneducated ones, just like not all whites are shitty or racist, just the uneducated ones.
>>131549947
exactly, but I mean the border situation would improve If us americans actually were more friendly with mexico. they don't help us because trump disrespected them. Just look at germany and mexico for instance, they work together and rarely have conflicts because Germany is nice to them and vice versa. Germany and mexico in a way have a strong bond from years of friendly attitude. we can learn a few things from our duetsche friends.

>>131547461
And trump had bone spurs. Fucking fat idiot

>>131553116
>you're mixing indios with actual decent mexicans.
No, I'm putting foreign invaders together in one group. I don't want to live in mexico you stupid nigger.

no one cares kike

>>131553326
>trump shills for kikes; OP disagrees; OP is a kike

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>>131553162
>Trump
>fat
Trump is the healthiest president we have ever had.

>>131553393
The man can't even parse together a sentence. Taft was less THICC

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>>131552730

And that's fair. Torture is just a part of the mind games though.

I'm not saying it has to be employed in every situation, far from it, but I think it's a tool, and shouldn't be overlooked.

*some* (strong emphasis here) prisoners need to be broken in order to extract information.

After all, it's really all just mind games in the end. Ultimately, it's about reading your opponent, and using the right tool in the right place, to get what you want. That's it.

>>131553116

Germany doesn't share a land border with Mexico, and have to deal with illegal immigrants getting handouts, and taking advantage of the welfare state.

Instead Germany has rapefugees, and rather than do anything about it, they take more.

You have a fascist flag, and recommend taking lessons from germany, the top cuck in the EU. pic related.

What you just said is like Trump's comment during the primaries, about how China built a wall and they don't have an illegal Mexican problem.

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>>131553489
>can't parse a sentence
>makes billion dollar deals every day
>single-handedly destroyed the entire left-wing and got elected POTUS
Trump's IQ is 150+. He is a hero and a genius.

>>131553704
Did he have bone spurs or not? Are you trying to shill for the only establishment fucking bullshit there is and that is the Protocols? Yes. Yes you are. He won by Jewlectoral Jewllege. He is bringing September 23 with your flag. I dont know what are his deals. No taxes. Probably broke. Look in Bayrock buddy. His IQ is not 150. Everything he says is complete bullshit. He can dish but not take and that scares you. You want to drink Jim Jones kool aid you go ahead. 60 miles of wall. No isis plan. Lost ford plant and carrier plant

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>>131553670
Why the fuck would you ever use torture when the other system works 480/500 times? You are just making shit up because you are too afraid to let go of your presupposition that torture is necessary.

>>131550374
It's very useful for false confessions

>>131553274
You're the stupid nigger. Same hostile attitude as one. If you look at the point I'm makinh, it'd be way easier to control the border problem if the country we're bordering doesnt have a problem with us and sees us in good standing.
>>131553670
I'm saying not all mexicans are violent. I'm not saying germany isnt free of problems either, but germany and mexico rarely fight over much. And the immigrants from germany that live in mexico aren't abusing the system because they respect the country. We have to get along with our border pals so they can help us with the border situation.

>>131547461
torture does work though
just look at history

uh...i'm pretty down as long as we don't get in some major conflict.

i'm cool with millitary strikes

https://youtu.be/8OwMAW_Cj84
IMPEACH DRUMPFFFFFFFF!!! NOWWWWW

>>131554504
So what do you propose you stupid nigger? Bend over and let mexico do whatever they want?
We don't owe them shit. We are 2 different countries.
Your solution seems to be to allow the US population to be displaced and mongrelized by mexishits and their partners in invasion to the south to take control of our politics.
Go fuck yourself nigger. It's us or them and it always has been.

>>131554194

Because the 20/500 cases require a different tool?

No tool has 100% success rate, but 96% success is pretty good.

Maybe you need torture for the other 4% or maybe some other tool. My only point is, it's a tool, and it shouldn't be overlooked.

>>131550541
>https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/527544512844136448
wew madman

>>131555463
you don't need to get shit from the 4% faggot. 96% is great.

>But torture doesnt work
>Yes it does
Why does it have to be one or the other? Cant it just be that most of the time torture is worthless but in few select cases it can be useful?

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>>131547461
Why use something as unsophisticated as torture when they have the perfectly good MK programs and psych warfare projects? Surely they can mindfuck and drug people in ways that could make them tell the truth by now.

>>131554634
It does work but it's not the most economically feasible option. It generates more problems than it solves and hardens enemy resolve while degrading your own forces. You have to swap out people in prisons and move assets around so they are not permanently crippled by the excessive violence.

"kindness" destroys emipres.

>>131555733
This is the point I'm trying to make, but some faggots just don't get it.

>>131555646

Because maybe that 4% has information more valuable, thus stronger mental conditioning, or pure stubbornness.

Why would you let information that could be valuable get away, when you could potentially extract it?

>>131555318
no you idiot, being civilized and not acting like a nigger is better than being disrespectful. Being nice to our border pals doesn't mean we bend down to them. haven't you ever heard of manners and such? your solution is to close yourself off instead of being smart and making a relationship with a country that is in ruins. the sooner we start having manners and not acting like niggers the sooner the mexicans will stop acting like a bunch of nazis. The only people affected by the cartels are the amerindians, the caste system is what sends them here to the U.S. You dont have light skin then you don't get a good education and work over there, whereas in America you can be whatever color you want and succeed if you apply yourself. If you have light skin then you're opportunities for actual work and good pay is higher. Mexico is becoming a literal nazi country. They keep the indians stupid so the whites can rule. I'm not saying the usa should bend down to mexico, I'm saying the usa shouldn't be this dumb and disrespect the very people who are on the other side of the border. we can all have good relations with them and they'll cooperate way more than If we insult them.

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>>131556381
You are grasping at straws so hard here hahahaha

>>131556983
Yes that's totally it. You got me man.

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>>131547461
>torture doesn't work
stopped reading there

>>131556606
Your solution is to do nothing you stupid fuck retard.
Fuck that. Their problems are not ours.
Fuck them.

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>When you're so fucking stupid you almost cause a regional war and are only saved because some random Senator uses the Saudi weapon purchase as leverage to encourage GCC members to negotiate peace with Qatar

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/bob-corker-block-gcc-arms-sales-qatar-row-170626171314489.html

>>131557266
Yeah I get the argument that one should not perform torture because it is a moral wrong. But when people tell me, it never works, there is no way to get useful information from a person through torture it just sounds intellectually dishonest.

>>131548617
https://youtu.be/UpdhwM_hnAA
Kay.

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>>131557391
>Citing Al Jazeera in regards to news about Qatar.

>>131547461
>Torture doesnt work
Torture DEFINITELY works.

Stop drinking the kool aid.

>>131557322
the solution is to be respectful and not act like a nigger. Their problems are Our problems because it's the reason why their people want to live in the U.S. Did you skip history class Jamal?

>>131550374
That's why you keep them there while you verify the information, and if it's a lie hurt him even more as punishment. Eventually they will tell the truth.

>>131557763
>talks about being respectful
>talks about having manners
>calls other people niggers
shut up cletus

>>131547461
Doesn't matter of it works or not. It's a deterrent.
>oh I hope I don't get caught out as a spy, they might *gulp* put me in jail :o

>>131557763
Holy shit you don't even know what you're talking about. it's time to grow the fuck up. The real world isn't kindergarten you fucking simp.

You would be amazed what people confess after a good waterboarding or two

>>131558007
I thought the uk was smart but then I realized it's full of achmeds and Mohameds.

>>131547748
You should do the chinese water drop torture then.

>>131558098
I do. Give me a reason why mexicans come over the border? and how is that not our problem dumbass?

>>131558195
so much for being respectful and having manners get fucked faggot
go preach your bullshit somewhere else

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>>131547748
My man!

>>131558305
>Give me a reason why mexicans come over the border?
To send back remittances.

>disagreeing with BASED Trump
HOW MUCH IS SHARIABLUE PAYING YOU

>>131557138
Just shut the fuck up kiddo

Euronigger go back to the sub Congo !

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BANTZ

TOP KEK

Obama worst president of all time!

>>131547461
If he didn't suck Jew cock, I would be 100% fine with him.

>>131558424
blow it out of your ass

>>131547461
Global warming, vaccines, abortion, the existence of God

>>131558727
how isnt that your problem if theyre leaching off the system?

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>>131559899
stay mad dummy

Homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is a stain on the nation.

Other than that I guess I pretty much agree with him.

Obama admin. was right to call him a chickenshit. Not even one of their own.

trump on the other hand called McCain a coward for being captured. One of their own, who actually went out there and almost died in service to the US. trump himself paid a doctor to dodge the Vietnam draft, then paraded around on campus in military gear.

>>131547461
>torture doesn't work

Obviously you've never tortured nor been tortured

>>131547461
Torture may not work but that doesn't mean you can't fun doing it.

>>131559968
The way to stop that is to deport them and secure the border.
They can sort themselves out without getting us involved.
If we were part of the same nation the solution would be to work with them but we're not and we never should be.

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>>131560143
as for things I disagree with Trump: nearly everything. Trump has a very disagreeable personality. it takes a lot of energy to look beyond the classless mouthbreathing act and find things to agree or disagree with on a factual level.

i agree with Trump on his nationalism. America is already great, but it really has an image problem. Trump totally fucked up the international image, but at least the national image saw some repairs.

>>131556606
>your solution is to close yourself off instead of being smart and making a relationship with a country that is in ruins

That's what a women would say. A man would invade a weakened country

Torture obviously works it's just idiots like OP don't understand it's purpose. Torture isn't used to get information it's used to get cooperation.