Why are conservatives so facinated by the concept of birth? People

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Don't care, abortion will be criminalized by 2019. Keep your legs closed, slut.

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>if you stop someone from getting murdered, you have to feed them for the rest of your life

>>131511169
Someone post the brain meme on abortion where dumbest to smartest goes in order of yes, no, and what race is it?

>I don't agree with that person murdering another person
>this means I have to pay for both of their food and healthcare

>>131511169
Also not pictured is the irresponsible shit the mother did in the first place that made her a single mother.

>>131511169

Can't stand the heat, get your ass out of the kitchen.

>>131511287
Stupid Leaf

>>131511169
>We all know that once the child is born, those who people who fought for the child's life will stop giving a shit and move onto the next victim.
People are fucking retarded and don't know how to fuck. We need chastity belts for woman.

>>131511169
>>131511346
This.

Abortion is secretly extremely redpilled, it allows for a control on sub-human minority populations while only marginally affecting whites. It's killed so many niggers that it's practically un-American to not support it.

>>131511537
What if it isn't irresponsible?
What if the woman got raped?

>>131511169
Better than having even more niglets runnign around

>>131511169
>Hey, you shouldn't murder your kid.
>Hey, you should take care of your kid.

Which one of these is unreasonable again?

Also this comic is just pure
>I am silly

>>131511619
Man rapes a woman best punishment execute his child makes sense.

>>131511619
Stop being disingenuous you fucking retard, you and I both know that rape and situations where some guy dies of an accident while a mother is pregnant make up a hugely insignificant portion of the number of abortions performed. We're talking 1% according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

>>131511598
This is the pill I didn't want at all and I still havent fully swallowed ita

>>131511918
They still count you conservacuck

>>131511898
But the fetus isn't a kid yet

>tax pays for abortions
>tax also pays for keeping babies alive in case the parents are too deadbeat to take care of their own children
Really? We're gonna let them have both options?

>>131512514
You're so fucking full of shit and we both know it. Absolutely no one posting this picture is concerned about the 1% of rape-babies being aborted. They want the other 99% of abortions to keep happening so they can not have to face responsibility for their actions.

>>131512663
Following all of normal biology, it will be. This is why there's an argument that life begins at conception. Liberals claim to support science but hate the idea that a zygote has all the necessary gene expression to autonomously develope into a fully functional human, given resource input from the mother.
How do you logically decide when is no longer ok to kill it? When it has detectable brain waves? Heart muscle twitches? People can't agree on the definition of human (even some think it's ok to kill it until it's outside the womb) because it's impossible to describe which bodily function makes it a living being- it's technically alive at the start.

However, Abortion + No Welfare State would be really effective population control for minorities....

>>131511169
you cant kill a homeless man but that doesn't mean i have to give him my money

>1. be personally responsible
>2. be personally responsible

>>131511567
t. coal burner

>>131511169
Conservatives view rights differently than you. A right is something that can not be taken from you by the government or anyone else. Not something the government gives you. We are not allowed to take lives because they are inconvenient but nor is it the governments responsibility to take care people. It is the job of the family to care for those that can not care for themselves. It is the job of the government to defend those that can't defend themselves.

>>131511169

Abortion is murder? Just because doctors don't care what happens after the patient recovers doesn't mean he isn't sincere about providing treatment.

>>131511619
You do not punish the child for the sins of the father. It's not its fault it was made.

>>131511169
Wow so true I always yell at babies. Really got my noggin a'joggin.

>>131511598

You are talking about eugenics. Abortion is abortion and eugenics is eugenics.

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/pol/
Summed up in one photo about this topic

>>131511346
what about down syndrome?

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>>131514233
My problem is when they try to redefine being a human.
Just because it's not outside the womb yet doesn't mean it's not human. They say it's not human until it can function outside the mother, but it still relies totally on its mother for a long time after birth and no one suggests killing infants.

>>131511169
So I have to financially be responsible for your child in order for you not to murder it?

Are you seriously this big a p.o.s.?

Please, do us all a favor, give yourself a post term abortion. So pathetic.

>>131511169
It's not just conservatives, there are many secularists who also oppose pro-choice to a large extent. Example would be Christopher Hitchens, and of course, the movement 'Secular pro life'.

The reason for it is simple: God or not, humanity is all we have. Everything that makes us the apex predator, and by far the most intelligent species is all thanks to one thing: conception. This is the point where a human life starts. To imply it would begin at the moment of birth would be ignorance of basic biologically. And to write the embryo/fetus off as something parasitical not only undermines and degrades ourselves, but also violated the clear-cut principle of potentiality.

tl;dr: Liberals can be pro-life too.

>>131515152
Where else do you think your taxes go to

>>131515267
They go all over, tard. I have no problem with money helping children that where screwed over by their shit parents.

I don't like giving money to PP for your murders though.

>>131515267
Laser cannons mounted on helicopters apparently, also CIA coke and child sex trafficking.
Amusing how they're better use of tax cash than single moms.

>>131514976
That's partially why I flipped to pro life. The rationale eventually puts you in the position of killing infants being okay. Because there's really nothingood different between a fetus and an infant when it comes to brain developement. You aren't self aware enough to even for memories until well past being a toddler. And you aren't fully self aware until about 7 years old. Before then you are basically a chimp. If killing fetuses because they aren't self aware is okay. Killing 5 year olds because they aren't self aware is okay.

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>>131515152
>Give me money for food, clothing and housing or ill kill this baby!
Sounds like a hostage situation to me

>>131511169
I dont understand this comic. Is it saying its better to kill the kid than to give it a chance at life, even if its a shitty life?

Is it saying we should be forced to care for children we dont want to fucking murder, rather than their own mother should be forced to care for them since it is her kid and her poor decisions that led to their existence while she was not capable of properly caring for them?
>>131514854
Jews are a threat to society, babies are growing human beings and not a threat, unless they are the spawn of Jews/niggers.

>>131515173
>conception. This is the point where a human life starts.
It doesn't become a human life until birth. That's the 10,000 year starting point, among thousands of societies, cultures and nations. The miracle of birth is deeply embedded in out law, language, science and religion.

No one celebrates fertilization day or your parents fucking day. Your age, the time you have been alive, is measured precisely based on your birthday.

>>131515509
>The rationale eventually puts you in the position of killing infants being okay.
Incredibly bad strawman.

>>131516438
>It doesn't become a human life until birth

So you think it's okay to get an abortion one week before birth????

>>131516871
>So you think it's okay to get an abortion one week before birth????
If the fetus is viable, then that's called a Cesarean section. It is birth.

>>131511169
>he's mad we won't let him murder children

I look forward to overturning roe vs wade and putting you criminals in cells where you belong.

>>131511598
No it isn't, a black girl will get three abortions and have six kids, a white girl will have one abortion, be traumatized, and have two cats. If you want to reduce the black population, do it peacefully by withholding welfare and subsidizing white middle class family formation through smart policy initiatives.

>>131511169

Abortion is really just a modern take on the old practice of infanticide.

Before modern medicine infant mortality used to so bloodly high that people could easily kill off unwanted kids and have plausible deniability.

Young kids and newborns weren't held in high regard until they were able to stand on their own.

>>131516438
The difficulty is in knowing precisely when the conception took place. That’s why the tradition of celebrating one’s birth day has more naturally taken hold.

>>131511315
Underrated post

>>131511169
Why wouldn't you want children to grow up tough and independent? If you pamper them from birth they'll only become spoiled liberals who can't even get themselves a glass of water on their own.

>>131514854
>L-liberals are the r-real nazis!
we're better than this guys

>>131511169
Why is it so impossible to use a condom and birth control?

Stop going skins you FUCKING lazy nigger.

>bbbbbut it feels bbbbetter

Yeah 30% more feeling is totally worth the lifetime mistake or the abortion

>>131511169
>muh binary choice

LEGALIZE ABORTION FOR MUDS
CRIMINALIZE IT FOR WHITES

THERE, PROBLEM SOLVED

>>131517312
>Abortion is really just a modern take on the old practice of infanticide.
It's actually not. Abortion has always remained in the realm of women, while infanticide is typically committed by men.

>>131511315
Good way of putting it.

Pro-choicers should do the world a favor and help us combat the "man made climate change" by giving themselves post term abortions.

Imagine all the clean air. And unwanted pregnancy would decline.

>>131516558
It's not a strawman if it's true. I eventually rationalized myself to that position because as a person who actually studies biology I couldn't find any real difference between fetuses and infants. Human infants are in fact all born extremely premature. Biologically they are equivalent to late term fetuses of other mammals. I couldn't think of a reason why killing fetuses was okay and infants was not. So like the good little liberal I was I rationalized it as killing infants was okay because they couldn't be anymore of a person than fetuses. Thankfully I eventually just accepted that no killing both is bad and abandoned liberalism entirely eventually.

>>131514854
>((((((((((((FEUERSTEEEEEEEEEEIN))))))))))))))

FREE POST-BIRTH ABORTIONS FOR ALL JEWS!

>>131511169
American Pro-life Christians are the most likely to adopt, Foster, and give to charity of any group on planet Earth. This is a false dichotomy and a straw man.

>>131516438
>No one celebrates fertilization day or your parents fucking day. Your age, the time you have been alive, is measured precisely based on your birthday.

Well I have news for you. As a in cultures do celebrate the day of conception. At birth you are considered already 1 year old because you've been in the womb for a year already. (They used to use the lunar calender which is nine months long, so it's a hold over)

>>131512663
>has its own set of DNA completely separate from the mother's
>50/50 chance of being the opposite sex as the mother
>somehow not a separate human being

>>131517812
Asian cultures*

My auto correct is shit.

>>131511169
The problem with this cartoon is it ignores race. We don't want babies killed, that's fucked up kike bullshit. But we also don't want to pay for niglets. The average white mother has a husband.

>>131511169
It's a personal responsibility movement. Actions have consequences and you shouldn't be able to just duck out of the inconvenient ones.

>>131517977
Wrong. You and OP are both idiots. Most prolifers don't want babies killed, and they are willing to pay for the babies did, even black ones, they just don't think the government should do it.

>>131518154
Wrong. They signal that they're anti-racist but deep down inside they still resent having their wealth stripped from them and given to feral nogs by scheming Jews.

>>131517812
In Japan your birthday is celebrated as the day of conception.

>there are christcucks in this thread who unironically want to stop failures from opting out of the gene pool

the only thing wrong with abortion is that sterilization isn't easier to get

>>131518257
They are anti-racist. They also resent having their money stripped from them by Jews. I see no contradiction there.

>>131511169
>*stops woman from murdering her own baby*
>the baby is now a "victim" which *you* (not the mom, or the dad, or the baby) are required to take care of for the rest of its life

>>131518404
Its not a contradiction, just an explanation. Being anti-single mother is a way to assert white group interests without doing it explicitly.

>>131511169
Says who? It's not so black and white. I am conservative and I mostly oppose abortion because it should not be seen as some kind of "correction" when contraception should've been used instead. I do support abortion in some cases, though (if the child would be mentally or physically crippled, if the mother's life is in danger, in case of rape). And I do think that the state should help young families more.

>>131513944
Personhood is irrelevant. No one has the right to use my body to stay alive.

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>>131511169

Reminder none of us are conservatives.

>>131518628
Thots like you will have their wombs nationalized in the ethnostate.

>>131518628
Funny your mother afforded you that right, you seem to forget that an unborn child is your family but that's the mentality of today family and parenthood means nothing.

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>>131511346

>>131511169
Yeah. I can't imagine how anyone would be anti abortion except for very strong religious beliefs.

>>131518700
And even less of us are socialists so fuck off stormweenie.

>>131515509
>The rationale eventually puts you in the position of killing infants being okay.

Yes, but where's the harm when it's done by carriers of its own genetic material? societies can only benefit from voluntary eugenics.

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>>131519173
FTFY

>>131519590
>societies can only benefit from voluntary eugenics
do you say this because you want to get a gf in spite of your inferior genes?

>>131519951
I don't think you understand what eugenics means

>>131517557
>It's not a strawman if it's true.
It has never been true. Can you name one case in history where women terminating their own pregnancies led to women killing the toddlers of other women? Of course not.

> I eventually rationalized myself
Rationalization is a type of logical fallacy. If you had more than a middle school education, you'd probably know that.

>as a person who actually studies biology
9th grade biology?

>I couldn't find any real difference between fetuses and infants.
if you had ever read a book on biology, particularly mammalian gestation, you'd know that the transition from the fetus submerged in amniotic fluid to newborn is a major transition. The fetus goes from being entirely dependent on the woman's circulatory system to deliver nutrition and oxygen, to carry away carbon dioxide and waste, and connect by arteries that lead from the fetus' heart to the umbilical cord. At birth, the newborn's lungs fill with air for the first time, the circulation system is discrete and its alimentary canal begins to function. The skin is exposed to air for the first time and the brain is flooded with first-time sensory messages.

Huge difference, but you'd only know that if you ever cracked a biology book IRL.

>killing fetuses was okay
it is not its own living being yet, so it is not a "killing".

>I rationalized it as killing infants was okay
That sounds far more Nazi than "liberal"

> abandoned liberalism entirely
So you don't vote in elections? You don't believe in free speech or press? You don't believe in rule of law?

No wait, you haven't passed 9th grade civics yet, either, have you?

>>131517812
>As a in cultures do celebrate the day of conception
The Catholic church does because parthenogenesis was supposedly a "miracle". Or the far more likely explanation that Mary was impregnated by another man. Probably shoulda called it Cuckold Day.

>subsidize white babies
>abort non-white ones
>problem solved

>>131516438
>No one celebrates fertilization day or your parents fucking day.

Chinese do.

>>131520498
His father was a Roman archer named Pantera.

>>131511169
Sadly true. And I say this as a paleocon.
Tryin to mix up Caesar and God again.

>>131517812
>At birth you are considered already 1 year old
This is truly some stupid shit. Thanks for the amazing screencap.

>They used to use the lunar calender which is nine months long
Followed up by even MORE amazing stupidity. The lunar year is approx 12 months, btw.

>>131511169
Guys, he's right. I mean, I'm Catholic, but this has really got my noggin joggin.

Who are Catholics to say who can and cannot be murdered? They don't do anything for them after they are born. It's not like there's literally hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into non-profit programs that give unwed mothers affordable housing, food, and support. The Knights of Columbus don't exist. Catholics don't give a fuck, dude, even though they spend a lot of time and money into foster babies and stuff like that. The Catholic orphanage doesn't exist.

So to answer your question? At least myself, a Catholic, does care. But it's also the Catholic position that when you give someone everything without them having to work in the slightest for it, they lose human dignity, and furthermore, you put yourself in the place of God.

>>131517408
Do you realize how many politicians and Christians are against contraceptives?
A whole lot

>>131511169
lolwut? Adoption is entirely legal.

>Step 1: don't kill your kid
>Step 2: raise your kid, or don't

It's not anyone's job to raise your kid for you, it IS their job to prevent murder in society. If you can't handle raising the kid and you're retarded enough to not use a condom, put it up for adoption.

>>131518288
>In Japan your birthday is celebrated as the day of conception.
>In Japan your birthday
>birthday
>not your day of birth
How To Celebrate A Japanese Birthday
https://www.tofugu.com/japan/japanese-birthday/

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>>131519795
ALONG THE LINES OF THIS,

MORE BLACKS ARE ABORTED IN NY AND OTHER LOCALES THAN WERE BORN LAST YEAR,
THIS HAS BEEN OCCURRING FOR SEVERAL YEARS ALREADY

DO YOU WANT MUH FEELINGS
OR DO YOU WANT MORE BLACK GENES IN THE GENE POOL, NEAR TERM?

BE
PRO
CHOICE

CAPS FOR ATTENTION, SINCE THIS IS IMPORTANT

>>131520600
>Chinese do.
Is your Googler broke?

https://www.thoughtco.com/celebrate-a-chinese-style-birthday-687551

>>131521642
bump for truth

>>131521593
Which is also a problem because most American orphans don't get adopted.
Most parents will adopt some Asian or African kid from another country than one who is born in America

>>131511169
Where's the father to take care of her and her child? While I hate abortions it shouldn't be my responsibility to pay for women to whore around and spreading their feet to every stranger that walks by.

>>131522098
Adopting a white kid is really fucking hard in the US. I've been thinking of adopting a boy because I only got one son, and finding a white boy is next to impossible.

>>131521550
I'm Catholic. I'm against contraceptives, but I'm also against pre-marital sex, and if someone's going to have pre-marital sex, they might as well use contraceptives so that abortion does not occur.

Sex ed should be as follows "Here's why you should wait until you're in a good, stable relationship to have sex, it's the only 100% contraceptive method, BUT IF YOU DON'T WAIT, here's what you do to prevent pregnancy"

>>131522098
The fuck are you on about? There's like a 5 year waitlist for adoptions.

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>>131521642
holy fucking shit don't fucking post shit like that

you spooked me so hard I almost got a heart attack

>>131511169
>Why are conservatives so facinated by the concept of birth?
Enjoy beating that straw man.

When you want to argue the facts, come back and see us.

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>>131511169
Ive always thought that conservatives and liberals were backwards on the issue of abortion

theoretically is should be the conservatives telling the government to back off and let women choose what to do with their bodies

and liberals should be the ones crying about their fee fees getting hurt over dead babies and pushing for more government interference in the process

but for some reason this issue if flipped upside down

>>131523324
Or maybe, pause with me a moment, conservatives care about individual freedoms, liberals care about collective freedoms (which aren't freedoms, really).

>>131523671
how about the individual freedom to remove a part of your body if you want?

I don't see why you need collective rights to defend abortion

>>131511169

Wow, babies have a right to be protected but adults have to take responsibility in their waking life? You don't say!

>>131523167
Already argued with your facts, but nice try

>>131523903
Babies are not a part of your body, anon. If someone walks into your house BY INVITATION I MIGHT FUCKING ADD (you get pregnant by fucking, if you fuck, you're inviting a baby. That's not my problem, don't fuck around and you'll be fine), they don't become your property.

What does that have to do with collective rights? Democrats only care about people who vote for them. Babies can't vote, so they literally give zero shits about them.

>>131511169
>Degenerates willingly thin their own numbers
>/pol/ has a problem with this

>>131511169
Pulling the arms and legs off a baby one at a time is murder.
The time to think of muh womins body is before you allow a man to ejaculate inside it.

>Actively trying to kill someone is impermissible, but making sure them and theirs actually thrive is something that most people should be responsible for themselves

It makes perfect sense, OP. Are you retarded?

>>131523324
Women can choose what to do with there bodies before they get pregnant but they are so stupid they choose badly.
All women most live for is to be sexually attractive.
Murder is a handy right for people who put a fuck above the life of their own child.

>>131524292
babies can't survive outside the womb until the third trimester,

therefore they are not independent organisms until that point, you should not have to be a host for and organism if you don't want to

also:
not all fucking is by invitation, rape is a real thing

Dems don't care about babies (fetus's are not babies btw)? Well Republicans don't care about women when they want to eliminate abortion they are harming women because they largely don't vote Republican

>>131513944
>Following all of normal biology, it will be. This is why there's an argument that life begins at conception
Actually about 1/10 of fertilized human eggs end in live birth. (Biology major)

>>131523324

You're looking at conservatives and liberals through an unhelpful lens. "Big government vs little government" isn't really the axis on which the two differ.

Try a new one. Conservatives are driven by a sense of what's Right. Liberals are driven by a sense of what's Fair.

It's not *right* to kill a baby, so conservatives want to prohibit it. It's not *fair* for a woman to have to bear the burden of an unwanted child, so liberals want to let them get out of it.

>>131525012
>you should not have to be a host for and organism if you don't want to
you should've thought about that a little sooner then, not fucking/using any form of contraception isn't that hard
>rape is a real thing
of course it is, but it's such a rare occurrence that exceptions should be made for that, not the rule

>>131511169
I'm against abortions but there are people that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

I would support voluntary paid sterilization since minorities would more likely choose it for a quick buck.

>>131511287
literally, not an argument

>>131519173
so much this

>>131525012

>you should not have to be a host for and organism if you don't want to

Changing up the language used to describe it to conflate pregnancy with parasites makes no sense. You're just trying to de-humanize and strip away all moral context and content.

>they are harming women because they largely don't vote Republican

THAT'S your explanation for pro-life politicians? Punishing women for not voting for them?

>not all fucking is by invitation, rape is a real thing

Less than 0.5% of abortions are for victims of rape. Unless you're going to concede that 95.5% of abortions should not happen and just argue with us that there should be a tiny exception for rape, it's extremely intellectually dishonest for you to bring rape up.

>>131511169
You're acting like it's unfathomable that people care about legalized murder.

>>131511169
People must be accountable for their actions. This is why women must carry a child they are responsible for to term.

BTW Rape is not an excuse. Women love rape.

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>I don't want women to kill their own children
>So you want to be the one to feed them and provide for them? If you don't then I'll kill it.
>these are perfectly rational people

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>>131511169
>mfw no one in the history of ever has asked a newborn to work and called them "a moocher"

>>131527731
No but they tell they mother she is terrible because she has to take maternity leave which is unpaid in America which is really fucking shitty