Sam Harris On Immigration: "What is the fucking point of

>>131485936
The point of having more Muslims in your society is so you can say to the world you are tolerant and morally superior.

>>131485936
wtf i love sam harris now

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ugh this fascist country I can't even

Sam is being taken out of context here and not expressing his personal thoughts, but rather posng an extreme point for Majiid Nawas is counter.

Sasha Saeen has half a point though because suing someone over what they said doesn't seem very pro free speech at all.

>>131486184
this is (((his))) kike speaking. he still wants your mother, sister, wife, and daughter blacked. he still wants spanish to the majority spoken language and all of the dumb fuck goy to be a subhuman brown person.

he just doesn't want lots of muslims since if whites convert to islam then they'll kill the kikes.

>check out this based jew who said something that literally everyone would have agreed with ten years ago

>>131485936
>And this is where someone like Robert Spencer would say “Amen,” I would presume. Can you speak to that despair?
Meaning what? "Someone like" as in? What is Harris implying here? And what is the "despair" he's talking about? Whose despair?

>>131486533

He's despairing that the only people who are acknowledging rational concerns like this are on the extremes of the political spectrum

>>131486704
How is Spencer extreme?

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>>131486130
Not sure if being ironic with that flag on.

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>>131486130
We dont want to be able to say that, in fact, just the opposite.

>>131485936
im so glad there are people brave enough to speak common sense

>>131485936

The jew reveals himself.

>>131486473
>what is libel

Harris is only saying this because he's a jew.

Also he's a Muh Russia conspiratard.

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>>131485936
When the fuck did Sam Harris become /ourguy/?

>>131485936
Send all the sand people back from where they came, jews included.

>>131489497
Never. You're falling for basic jew tricks.

>>131489594
Basic tricks? What is that supposed to mean

>>131489731
He's fine with Muslims invading and killing you as long he's in relative safety. But now he's starting to sense that he may be threatened by unfettered muslim immigration so NOW he's suddenly on your team.

It's utterly transparent. He's a jew. He wants you, a white person, eradicated.

Sam Harris is a good and smart man. We're very lucky that his commentary is accepted in the mainstream.

>>131487018

Try tweeting and asking him. I only clarified what he said for you.

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>>131485936
>muslims live in sand
>muslims hate sand
>muslims moan and bitch about how awful and oppressive sand is
>flee to developed countries with no sand
>muslims bring sand
>start piling up sand sand in nice sand-free countries and demanding that people tolerate it
>once nice sand-nigger free countries are now full of sand and muslims
>muslims will complain about this too and want to move somewhere else
Fuck muslims.

fuck

>>131489950
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>>131490275
I guess Harris being the scientist he is just uncritically believes all the smears about Spencer.

>>131486130
>The point of having more Muslims in your society is so you can say to the world you are tolerant and morally superior.
For the usefult idiots.

The real point is to break up cohesive societies and make them easier to control.

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>>131485936

US fucks around in middle east, europe has to take the refuges, well done uncle sam.

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>>131490221
No, he's not. He's disingenuous as fuck.

He talks all this basic bitch shit about Muslims but when someone comes along with an actual solution he shills as hard as he can against it. He is not smart, he is not rational, he is just another opportunistic ideologue raking in fame and shekels from fedora tipping pleblords.

>>131485936
Where is the full clip?

This is fake and editing audio spliced together.

You people are fucking stupid. Not a singke oneof you stopped and thought about it for even a second.

>>131490350
Then these sand haters kill younglings in terror attacks.

I know what must be done.

We need to gain the high ground.

>>131485936
You guys are fucking worthless, here's the clip in full:

https://youtu.be/9EB908NRdCc?t=4286

>>131489950
Sam Harris has been anti-Islam for a long time. He's always maintained that Islam is the most violent religion.

What I dont understand is, if the jews want the shitskins to take over, how would that not work out against them?

Not related but if you find shills propping up Reza Aslan as a moderate muslim show them this clip in full.

https://youtu.be/FPwrBr7Q_5c?t=268

>So you think it's okay to riot and violently protest Muhammad cartoons?
>Yes, if my identity is being attacked on the ground then-

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>>131491368
>here's the clip in full
>links 2 hour long podcast
>You guys are fucking worthless
Yeah, thanks for the clip.

>>131486130
There are so many levels here anon
JUST

>>131492539
And this is why you're retarded, one click Bait headline and you believe it all the way it's presented to you like a good little bitch, presented with context and truth you go Aww nah its to hard to listen... Pathetic fucking millennial

>>131485936
>says the kike, oh boy

>>131492742
>wild assumptions
The full podcast is NOT a clip.
I already know the context. For anyone who doesn't start the podcast at around the 1 hr 10 min mark.

This is also good for context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo2qv_uUPr8

>>131492539
You are dumb as fuck, the timing is deliberate on the video, it gives you a sense of what they talked about leading up to him illustrating the mindset of someone who just experienced the terrorist attack.

>>131485936
>Jerusalem at the height of the Intifada

>let israel drag you into wars
>how the whole world looks like israel

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>>131493777
>Video clips are 2 hours long in Canada
You aren't very good at this.

>>131486130
I used to dream of being an astronaut, but now I realize it's always been my life-long passion and goal to be tolerant.

Fake. Sam Harris has been clear on his stance against Trumps Muslim ban. Sam is an establishment neocon. He speaks out against Islam as a doctrine, but his failure to propose a reasonable solution or to even admit that Muslims are a product of their religion is proof of his insincerity.

>>131485936
jews can get pretty crazy with their anti-islam talk and no one says shit

whites get called literally hitler

>>131485936
i love how these jews play with fire like this

they're unwittingly getting the ball rolling for mass ethnic-based exclusion in this society and unironically don't think it will be used against them

there are jews who realize this, then the autismals like harris who are too fucking retarded to understand it

He's only so anti-Islam because unlike most Jews he knows he'll be beheaded for being an atheist kike if Islam takes power.

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>>131494183
Exactly. I don't know why people say Jews are so smart. They're all basically just single-minded autists.

>>131490789
Don't know whether to take the word of an anonymous poster or someone who's written many books about religions

>>131494401
I don't have much faith in someone who falls for CNN propaganda.

Also writing books doesn't make you an expert on anything. You just wrote a book.

>>131492269
>What I dont understand is, if the jews want the shitskins to take over, how would that not work out against them?

There's lots of theories, one of the more fantastical theories is they've started developing viruses or other biological weapons that can target genomes attributed to certain races, but because Jews have a lot of European admixture in them they can't target whites directly or they'll risk killing themselves.

So instead they want whites to racemix with other races and just target those genomes instead. I think it's bullshit, but there's more grounded theories. The most obvious is they just whites destabilized and don't really care what happens after as they believe they'll be more easily dealt with.

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>if we can figure out some way to keep the number of Muslims down
Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

>>131494401
>Don't know whether to take the word of an anonymous poster or someone who's written many books about gender and the patriarchy

This is called an appeal to authority and it is a logical fallacy

>>131485936
>when Sam beheaded a haji on live TV

SAM NO!

>>131494183
>>131494315
wut, why is it a surprise that a right-wing Jew distrusts muslims more than (((neonazis)))?

>>131494505
Usually people who write books claim to be authorities because they've actually read and traveled around to figure out the shit they're saying. Sometimes they've got citations to other books to back themselves up, too.

>>131492269
Because Jews are retards that think that nazis are the main enemy and shoving tons of shitskins in to piss off nazis gets their little jew dicks hard because they are unironically not smart enough to realize that the shitskins who hate whites also hate jews and that because those shitskins all live in places like new york they are closer to jews

Also liberals are like niggers in that they don't understand cause and effect and think that because one stupid action of theirs didn't cause societal collapse this means that societal collapse is impossible- the idea that CONSTANT and CONTINUOUS stupid actions can undermine society and ultimately cause it to collapse over several decades is basically science fiction to their little minds (they're brainlets)

>>131496034
Any retard can write a book. I'm not granting any authority to someone who recognizes that Islam is barbaric and backwards. That should be the norm.

>>131485936
>Again, this is not an expression of xenophobia.
Oh yeah, that'll work. Goodbye, career!

>>131486500
>he just doesn't want lots of muslims since if whites convert to islam then they'll kill the kikes.

You know, that makes me respect him because he seems to be the only fucking Jew who realizes this kek. Every other Jew I know is a muslim cock sucker who's pretty much volunteering to be slaughtered. I almost became skeptical that there were anti muslim jews outside of Israel at all.

>>131496631
He does have "better" values in the situation, but end of the day he's a kike. Don't think he wouldn't change his mind with the right circumstances.

>>131486130
Also we need fresh genes to rejuvenate our incestuous jean pool.

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>>131497872
>jean pool

>>131497872
>muh inbreeding
literally a non-argument you dumb jew.

>>131485936

i see more people with this view all the time at least in uncucked countries that still have free speech

>>131496631
This is why I like the white sharia meme. say we need to support our palistinan brothers in their jihadDon't ever actually do it, but if we spread it enough we can start to get jews more frightened of islam that they are of white homogeneity

jews thrive by making others do what they want. the top jews even do this to low ranking jews, there is no reason we can't try to get low ranking jews to do what we want

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>>131485936

>>131487018
HE IS EXTREEEMELY FAGGOTTY

>>131497872
>worried about inbreeding
>import people that are even far more inbred than whites

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>>131499269
>mfw this is true
>mfw I would honestly be married with kids right now if I could afford it, gf and I are trying to save money but we could never afford a house
>mfw I work 60 hours a week

>>131499487

'THEY' ARE GIVEN HOUSES WITH SEVERAL BEDROOMS, AND MONEY FOR EACH KID, AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WORKS.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724800/Syrian-refugee-Ghazia-A-four-wives-23-children-320000-benefits-germany-Montabaur-Twasif

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/centrelink-legalises-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/35f49d0c38789e22e133d00c67e55899

>>131490350
/pol/ channels annakin skywalker

FUCKING BASED

WOKE: SAM FUCKING HARRIS

SHITTING ALL OVER KEKS

>>131498912
Can you unpack this white sharia meme a little bit

>>131490778
its mamma merkel thats making you take rapeugees.

>>131485936
Dumb kike, you cannot stop the caliphate

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>>131490789
This, he's a good interlocutor but can only win against retards like Omer and that one communist bitch, he got BTFO on his latest podcast by Fareed Zakaria

>>131490789
what are the actual solutions you're talking about?

>>131490789
>but when someone comes along with an actual solution he shills as hard as he can against it

Solution like..?

>>131502402
>he got BTFO on his latest podcast by Fareed Zakaria

At what point on what topic?
Zakaria was just interested in obscuring the connection between terrorism and Islam, and retrograde beliefs and Islam. He tried to hem and haw around basic facts like the hundreds of millions of "moderate" muslims who genuinely believe you are to be killed for leaving the faith.

Zakaria kept insisting that you needed to be non-aggressive toward Islam as a faith and not say things that might make muslims angry, just more of the nonsensical "Islam is peace, say otherwise and they'll behead you" type logic.

He also shilled hard for "reform muslims", but seemed to not have any real idea of what they would do, and when Sam mentioned his talks to actual reform muslims, Zakaria wouldn't engage in any detail and tried to backpedal hard. Real reformist opinion was apparently also "too much" for poor Zakaria.

Leaving only the impression that what he really wants people to do is not criticise Islam or muslims and then the problem might go away on its own. Maybe. Maybe in a century or two of "reform".

>>131503492
Travel ban for a start. Or immigration ban.

>>131504529
and Harris spoke out against that?
What are his solutions?
Did he actually buy into Naawasz' idea of reforming islam?

>>131485936
Sam is a good place for a secularist to start his redpilling on Islam. But he only outlines problems and doesn't have any solutions. And the reason for this is simple - being a liberal is a part of his identity, so he cannot fathom solutions that would be illiberal. Liberals cant solve it by definition.

>>131504759
Yes.
He "prays" that reformation works.
They wrote a book together about Islamic Reformation.

>>131486130
we already prove that by not selling our daughters for goats, postachios and and sack of dates. Doesn't really take much.

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>>131485936
This is the result of the Hitchen - Harris ayytheist movement: People who have abandoned all moral standards are now preaching and warning about other people with no moral standards.
Well fucking done, I hope they behead you.

>>131486130
Just because conservatives can only care about people who look and act exactly like them doesn't mean everyone is that way. It doesn't mean that there's some inherent selfishness in wanting to help those in need and the promotion of worldwide harmony.

>>131504759
Harris is extremely anti-Trump and constantly talks about impeachment and harbors Russia conspiracy theories. His shilling against the travel ban was inevitable since he has a personal grudge against Trump.

He calls the travel ban unethical towards refugees and counterproductive while offering no alternative other than "muh centrist reform" of Islam. Total nonsense.

>>131485936
Sam "Gas The Kikes" Harris at it again. This nigga based

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>>131505316
Atheists don't have morals like us Jew worshipers

God I love sucking Jewish dick. Brb going to go ignore the Bible while claiming objective moral standards that I just choose at a whim that have little traditional grounding

Jesus man!

>Zakaria kept insisting that you needed to be non-aggressive toward Islam as a faith and not say things that might make muslims angry, just more of the nonsensical "Islam is peace, say otherwise and they'll behead you" type logic.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sam and it's ridiculous that he gets smeared by leftists and Salon and retarded people, but at the end of the day Zakaria is right in saying he's being too reductionistic. Sam is simply not being pragmatic, he even admits to being only able to count on one(two?) hands the number of Muslims who would fit his criteria of being intellectually honest enough to reform the faith. As if the muslims that need to reformed would listen to a reformer like Maajid Mawaz when he associates with a filthy atheist kike who once said "Islam has to be defeated".

>>131489497
he never was pro-islam, you fucking leaf

>>131505813
You just described atheism.

>>131505596
>>131504938
jesus...
why not both? limit the ammount of new muslims comming from non secular countries, while at the same time trying to have a secularisation of the muslims already in the country.
It just makes it harder for the actual reformists, if every progress they make gets drowned by just more backwards people comming in.
Assimilation only works in small steps and small numbers. Surely he realizes that
(and i still don't believe in an actual reformation of islam, but atleast a secularisation of the community, to the point that they atleast don't care about it too much)

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>>131505943
Haha! Atheists btfo again!

Now let's go wash some based Black mens feet!

Sam is autistically obsessed with truth, which is a good thing. He might be a liberal, but when liberal ideology clashes with truth he will go the way of truth.

That's why he defends the bell curve guy.

>>131506057
He goes into spirituality and the unknowable quite a bit so I don't know if that constitutes "truth"

Him interviewing Charles Murray was incredible.

>>131492269
They think they can controll them easily once they are dumbed down enough and Islam is morphed into Islam® , look at Canada and Sweden, they try to turn Islam into jewish communist values at the polar opposite.

>>131506214
He does, but always with an empirical approach. He might describe the experience of certain meditative states but he doesn't make the jump 'this feeling is real so the ideology surrounding it must be real'.

His podcast with Joseph Goldstein are great though, very interesting in depth stuff.

>>131505570
Being unable to stop caring about people who want to toss you off a bridge because you praise a secular society and hate you with every fiber is the liberal alternative to your kneejerk comment about conservatives

Comparing the two atleast the conservatist standpoint makes more sense

Youre comming into a community where people constantly headbutt with their opinions and you think you will be taken seriously with emotional sabotage this week?

Step up your game senpai

>>131506250
It happened to Christianity and it will happen to Islam. It's only a matter of time. All religions and ideologies will be cucked beyond belief until everyone is a sedated citizen.

Resistance dies as quality of life goes up.

>>131505316
Thing about people with moral standards, or rather people who believe they have more moral standards (holier then thou ? ), are full of shit.
Look at the cognitive dissonance of the left or all the unchristian things that have been done over the years by the church or all the beheadings and bombings done by the religion of peace.
People standing on soap boxes are full of shit and aslong as we take people who stand on soapboxes seriously loonie rooms of all breeds will use those soap boxes to impose themselves on genuinely good people because they know better.

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>>131505813
> hahahaha XXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
> I have my own opinion
> I am redpulled cuz I mention joos
Better start learning arabic you disgusting traitor.

>>131486130
It is a secularised remnant of Christian ideology.

Turning the other cheek, washing feet, forgiving those to transgress against you, not wanting your loan back, letting yourself be tortured and killed et cetera.

Christianity is inherently masochistic. Progressive liberalism as well.

Sam Harris has always been /ourjew/. Further proof that Jews are based.

>>131506539
It already happened in Islam, it re-radicalized itself AFTER that.
That kind of wishful thinking "it all be good in time" only leads to impotence and lack of action.

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>>131506729
There is a difference between having moral standards and believing in absolute moral standards.
Everyone has moral standards, but only the second group doesn't tend to bend the rules when it fits them. Which is what is happening now: Rape and terrorism is bad, unless Muslims do it. Then it's fine because they are brown little savages.
The erosion of absolute moral standards was the goal of Hitchens, Dawkins and their ilk, after all they were all radical communists. This has lead to a movement we know as Atheists back then and who became the social justice warriors of today and the Muslim collaborators of tomorrow.
This was probably unintentional on Hitchens part and I hope he watches what is happening from hell.

>>131489497
Sam Harris has always shat on Islam along with Bill Maher. it's quite honestly the only thing both of them have been on point about.

Also Sam Harris shits on BLM. I agree with like 85-90% of what he says. He is just a typical "muh Russia" when it comes to mean old Drumpf. This is surprising to me considering how smart he is on everything else.

>inb4 based kike

I can still like a lot of the red pills he drops and think he's a choad when it comes to the president. I don't agree with the president on everything and think he's a moron when it comes to tech laws and understanding them.

I'm not a one issue voter. I agree with 90% of President Trump and I'll be voting for him again in 2020. At the very least he has kept the salt mines in business.

>>131507194
It's a good thing Christians follow everything in the bible and don't change their moral values and practises depending on the modern culture they're a in at any time otherwise you would look like an idiot.

>>131489497
he's also somewhat pro gun
even if you don't agree he brings up good arguments against anti gunners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0DYpaLgWIo

>>131507420
>This is surprising to me considering how smart he is on everything else.

It's the Trumptards who are wrong. He's being objective with Muslims and BLM when they're wrong, Trump is no different.

>>131507194
>>131507676
BTFO

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>>131507676
It's a good thing you have double standards for Christians and yourself as well. Probably another three standards for niggers, sandniggers and chinks as well, which in sum total amounts to 5 standards.
You desperately try to hold other people to standards you don't adhere to yourself, and that is because you are too far gone.

>>131485936
Harris is a shill faggot with the standard lite "redpill" veneer

>>131508064
>did not kill anyone Sunday for working

hypocrite

>>131507848
Uh huh. You keep believing in your little MSM conspiracy theories about how Drumpf is a Russian agent, smart guy.

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>>131508318
> Interpret the old testament literally
> why? I'm and ayytheist but I know how your shit works
Weak and pathetic. Off to mosque you go, since you're obviously not fit to think for yourself.

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>>131508706
>don't interpret it literally bro lmao
>absolute moral standards that I personally decided not to follow cuz they are absolutely retarded

>>131506539
It's happened in Islam a dozen times, they're 'reformations' are the opposite of Christian ones.
They gradually become lazier and more liberal, then they have a reformation that forces them to a more orthodox interpretation and application of doctrine.
Every reformation makes it worse, they need to be wiped out

>>131485936

Can just as easily replace Muslim with Jew and it would make as much sense.

>>131507194
>only the second group doesn't tend to bend the rules when it fits them
You'd have to be a moron not to realise that this conception of "absolute moral standards" is impossible to uphold and that nobody does.
All you can do is aim to. In practice you fail, or bend the rules, a hell of a lot.

>>131485936
The face of trendy neo-conservatism.
>Praise Israel.

I can't respect a man who can't differentiate between western created ISIS groups and say Bashar Al-Assad and Gaddafi.

He's a grade A tool of the highest order who thinks he knows more than what he does.

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>>131508920
I'm impressed, you managed to build your own straw man and beat it into the ground. The new testament corrects the old one because without correction, you're back at being a jew. There is an important difference between the two books. Coincidentally, jews don't belive in absolute moral standards - killing someone on sunday is okay, but not on the other weekdays. Christians should refrain from killing people at all times because it's morally wrong and not their job on earth. I'm not claiming every Christian has adhered to this at every point in time. Anyway, when ayytheists are confronted with the problem, they have nothing to fall back to. So one day, they will claim that all Muslims are refugees who need other people's help, and the next day they will call for mass deportations of Muslims because they don't vote for their preferred political parties. But you don't have to blame yourself because all you did was follow some loudmouths who figured out postmodernism way before you did. Have a final (you) for your effort.

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>>131485936
>https://twitter.com/Sacha_Saeen/status/878595239526707200

>lefty liberal
>works in private equity

My fucking sides.

>"Why wouldn't people want more Muslims and immigrants? I don't see them causing any problems from my city centre penthouse."

>>131509549
>I can't respect a man who can't differentiate between western created ISIS groups and say Bashar Al-Assad and Gaddafi
Would you respect a man that doesn't know what conservative means Nd has obviously never actually listened to a person but will label them a neo-conservative?

>>131509196
> All you can do is aim to. In practice you fail, or bend the rules, a hell of a lot.
Welcome to Christianity then. Unfortunaltely, if you take away the target (as is the prime purpose of atheists), if you indulge the metaphor, you'll shoot in any direction. Which is why we're in the situation now where all of a sudden, all the ex leftie anti traditionalists are rediscovering their "ancestral roots" and "nationalism". They have discovered that once you convince enough people to be like them and succeed, there are unintended consequences. Muslim migration is just inconvenient because the shitskins are leaving a mark in their mosty urban surroundings. Wait until they discover that the social systems, which were based on chrisitan solidarity towards your fellwo men are collapsing as well.

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>>131509798
>claim I used a strawman when nothing I posted even resembles misrepresenting your argument
>probably just thinks "strawman" is a fancy way of saying "you're wrong and I'm right lol"
>in the same paragraph sets up an actual strawman about what I and ALL Atheists believe

Why doesn't Jesus condemn slavery, but instead encourages slaves to remain obedient? Is it moral to hold slaves?

>>131489255
Have to prove its not true and have to show evidence of irreparable damages.

Learn something if you are going shit post leaf.

>>131485936
That's the problem with people that relay on science and statics, data never lies but people do. His message sounds rational but wait some years and you will see that the same point will be raised to exterminate a certain group of people like Hitler did.

Sam Harris is a nazi and we have to stop him right fucking now, you know what they say, the revolution isnt fucking easy!
Lets kill all this pretentius white males

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>>131511022
Complete non-sequitur post.

The person I replied to implied that you cannot sue someone over something they said and also be pro-free speech. I pointed out that there is a case where you can sue someone over something they said and also be pro-free speech, and that's when you sue someone for libel. In this specific case Maajid Nawaz probably can prove that he isn't an Anti-Muslim Extremist and that the SPLC has caused him irreperable damages to his reputation.

Dipshit.

>>131510546
Probably because he's more concerned with individuals not being violent psychopaths who go into self destruct mode when they feel "enslaved" than playing power games like you are.
It's obviously not moral to keep slaves, but that's the responsibility of the slaveholder. I don't see your point.
I wouldn't know exactly though, I am a recovering fagtheist myself.

>>131511600
>go into self destruct mode when they feel "enslaved"
That would be a good argument if there weren't hundreds of millions of LITERAL slaves in the time and place he was talking to.
>I wouldn't know exactly though, I am a recovering fagtheist myself.
AKA you've internalized memes on an anime website that being christian is le redpilled but have never actually read the bible or gone to church like every other "christian" on here lmao.

>>131486500

Harris wants everyone to be as autistically rational as him and everyone taking on irrational third world thinking would be the polar opposite of what he wants, he's even had Charles Murray on his show to discuss racial IQ differences, but since you're a retard fascist you think every jew is on le white genocide conspiracy.

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>>131511600
>It's obviously not moral to keep slaves
>but here's how you should treat your slaves lol just in case ;)) wink wink

>>131485936

>that twitter feed

Literally everything cancerous in the modern Western world in one place.

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>>131512029
>but have never actually read the bible
I did. That's why I find your argument nonsensical.
> gone to church
I said recovering, not cured.
> That would be a good argument if there weren't hundreds of millions of LITERAL slaves in the time and place he was talking to.
Well - wouldn't it have been nice if they were allowed to murder their way from Jerusalem to Rome, stand on the pile of corpses and declare themselves good human beings. I really don't see how this makes any sense on your part, you would have to be insane to propose something like this unironically. The point and popularity of christianity at the time was that even if you were poor and a slave, you were able to redeem yourself with your actions taken on earth.

>>131489950
Shut the fuck up. Sam Harris is fucking secular and he hates religion, Judaism as well. We should be thankful. Just because he bashes Christianity as well for it`s dumb fucking shit doesn`t mean he wants to eradicate the white race. He is just a man of reason.

>>131485936
>Sam Harris' eloquently genocidal rhetoric on Muslims.


Pretty fucking funny how liberals can call stuff like what Harris says "genocidal" and be taken seriously, but white genocide is a myth and we're all crazy.

>>131508920
it's almost like christianity evolved compared to islam

also kys leaf

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>>131513182
>it's almost like christianity evolved compared to islam

Okay? Come back and explain how the words in your post are at all relevant to my post you replied to.

>>131486473

It's libel and slander, because it's not an "opinion". They have added him to a list that is used by governments, industries and terrorists to identify individuals for discrimination or retaliation.

They stated they did this because Quilliam provided a list to the British security services of known radical Islamist organizations. So a tit for tat listing, if you will.

The problem with the SPLC list is that it was compiled by George Soros's Media Matters, and doesn't target whom we would think of as Anti-Islamic campaigners (say, Tommy Robinson and Co.) but actually targets those perceived as liberals by the mainstream and apostates.

One of the charges listed on the SPLC document that proves that Maajid Nawaz is an Anti-Islamic radical is that he was observed by "real" Mulims entering a strip club.

Also, Maajid, afaik, has never advocated for completely liberal, open, free speech laws and instead thinks speech should be regulated for the greater good.

The person tweeting is deliberately conflating Harris and Maajid.

Probably because he's a rank Paki cunt. But he might also be an Poo Muslim. Can't tell.

>>131504759

Nawazz gonna get shot eventually.

Leftists will cheer.

They have a term of Uncle Tom Muslims. Don't know what it is though.

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>>131512558
Let me get this straight - you apply 20th century christian attitude to slavery on ancient Roman society. Talk about strawmen.

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>>131513681
If it's objective then it doesn't matter when it should apply, should it?

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>>131490778

>uncle sam.

It's uncle SAMUEL.

He's a kike and definitely wan't you to enlist in the US army. He was always a kike.

>>131485936
Sam Harris is based, he has a very interesting podcast called Waking Up, but for half of you it might be too difficult to follow Drumpfkins

>>131513130
A man of reason doesn't get gaslighted by the likes of Louise Mensch and CNN.

Stop worshiping basic bitch "redpilled skeptics" like this >>131514055 retard is doing.

>>131514205
He is actually a sane person, educated and well spoken as opposed to you tards

>>131494517

Genome weapons are probably going to be a reality within our lifetimes and I think they might be used to 'solve' the Malthusian problem we're facing with much of the 3rd world but I also think the Jews are just just aiming for destabilization and interest shekels right now and don't think long term too much. I mean look at their influence in Germany from 1917 on, it was clear the tide was turning in 1933 and still tons of them stayed.

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>>131513760
Ancient roman attitude to slavery and ancient jewis attitude to slavery are not objective, they are very subjective in their nature.
You also have to consider the fact that slaves were considered about as human as livestock on a farm today. While you may riff on about how this doesn't fit your current idea of human society - remember that for the time, writing down an obligation to a slaveholder was considered very radical and was the first step of abolishing slavery globally in the 19th century. If you will, the ancient christians were some of the first ones to acknowledge that the " do onto others what you want them to do to you" phrase applies to slaves as well.

>>131505949

Reforming Islam is a non starter and even if you managed it by some miracle you'd still be stuck with a perpetual sub-85 IQ underclass with a massive hateboner against whitey. They'll either have to leave somewhat peacefully or Vienna and Dortmund and all the other places will look like Aleppo soon.

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>>131486412
>be communist
>live in capitalist hellhole
>escape to utopian communist country
>????
>don't profit because the state owns the means of production

>>131512325
>discuss racial IQ differences
then he's going to go kosher and say it's cultural so we need to take 2000% more of them into our countries. then he'll talk about systemic racism and how poor blacks just don't have the chance

he'll never say they're subhumans with lower iq and we can't change iq so they just need to be sterilized.

>b-but
kike faggot shill. you're not going to win anything with me. people aren't rational and the dumb faggot harris himself is proof of that. he believed all the russian bullshit news and thought hillary was a good person. you, like him, are scum. you're trash and subhuman to me. you aren't rational. you aren't logical. you're scum who like liberal retards like to pretend you're these words which you can't even imagine correctly.

egalitarians need to die even before the kikes so people like you will go first.

>>131514799
Why did Jesus Christ condone slavery? If you read the New Testament you know I speak the truth. I don't care about "romans" or "ancient jews". If owning slaves is 'obviously' morally wrong why did Jesus Christ tell you to be kind to your slaves, instead of saying, I don't know

>don't own slaves

Was Jesus mistaken and hasn't been around to correct his mistake? Are you going to keep prattling on about what some romans did when I'm talking about what Jesus said?

>>131513182
yep evolved
>we're all equal in the eyes of god. we no need for slaves. no need for race. there's only one race the human race god created. skin color is just color we're all humans created by god
this is why you need to be killed. even if whites need to go you parasites need to go too. anybody who talks about equality needs to die. your lord says turn the other cheek so perish from this world.

>>131486130
Wrong.

This alone could never justify all of this (((I migration)))

>>131510546
Do you have the freedom to enter into a contract of service? Why would Jesus condemn service contracts?

Maybe you think the Romans provided generous welfare payments to the indigent.

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>>131515102
As far as I remember it, he doesn't condone or discourage it. I take the view that at the time the bible was written and edited (yes, it is man made), slavery wasn't a concern yet.
It's like riffing on Harris 2000 years in the future because he didn't mention the extinction of the yukon submarine blowhard fish right now.
It doesn't invalidate his ideas in any way.

>>131496631
don't forget David Horowitz, he seriously fucking hates Muslims

>>131516079
>look how intellectually dishonest I'm being haha loophole found gotcha
>1 post
>flag

Yeah you're just trolling

>>131516880
Jesus does indeed give advice on how to treat slaves (hint: he didn't say release them at once). You would know if you read the bible (you obviously have not).


>The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
>And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

>Jesus himself, not Paul, says that disobedient slaves shall be beaten with many stripes

That's expressly both an instruction and permission to beat slaves.

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>>131486130
keks

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>>131490350
>be gay in Ancient time
>in Islam of all fucking places
>go get some dick aww yeah
>be taking that dick right in the butt
>Someone walks in
>hes Muslim
>UGHHHH BROO RELAX I HAVE A DISEASE
>IT CAN ONLY BE CURED BY DIRECTLY APPLYING SEMEN TO MY BUTT
>suddenlly everyone wants to 'help' him
>his face when

>>131498912
white sharia?

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>>131517568
Let's assume you are right and the golden rule indeed says "take slaves and beat them at your leisure". What exactly would be your point?
Now we end that thought experiment. What did you prove with this other than you can copy from a blog and take sentences out of context?

>>131517568
obviously I have caught you conflating all types of servant as one.

>>131517568
>That's expressly both an instruction and permission to beat slaves.
liar

Luke 12
Who Is the Trusted Servant?
41 Peter said, “Lord, did you tell this story for us or for all people?”

42 The Lord said, “Who is the wise and trusted servant? The master trusts one servant to give the other servants their food at the right time. Who is the servant that the master trusts to do that work? 43 When the master comes and finds him doing the work he gave him, it will be a day of blessing for that servant! 44 I can tell you without a doubt, the master will choose that servant to take care of everything he owns.

45 “But what will happen if that servant is evil and thinks his master will not come back soon? He will begin to beat the other servants, men and women. He will eat and drink until he has had too much. 46 Then the master will come when the servant is not ready, at a time when the servant is not expecting him. Then the master will punish that servant and send him away to be with the other people who don’t obey.

47 “That servant knew what his master wanted him to do. But he did not make himself ready or try to do what his master wanted. So that servant will be punished very much! 48 But what about the servant who does not know what his master wants? He also does things that deserve punishment. But he will get less punishment than the servant who knew what he should do. Whoever has been given much will be responsible for much. Much more will be expected from the one who has been given more.”

>>131517965
>What exactly would be your point?

That there is no such thing as objective morality, and there certainly is no such thing as objective morality as defined by Christianity.

>taking verses from pages of the Bible (a blog???) verbatim is "out of context" when you're losing an argument

>>131518280
>That servant knew what his master wanted him to do. But he did not make himself ready or try to do what his master wanted. So that servant will be punished very much!
>will be punished very much!

So you cherrypicked the 1 translation that says a vague "punishment" will be meted out where 90% of translations specifically mention beatings or lashes. You are the most intellectually dishonest Christcuck I have met in some time.

http://biblehub.com/luke/12-47.htm

>>131518686
>if that servant is evil and thinks his master will not come back soon?
pre-meditation
>He will begin to beat the other servants, men and women.
Assault
>He will eat and drink until he has had too much.
Embezzling and dereliction of duty.
The servant is getting punishment that now requires police response. A reality that did not exist 2000 years ago.
Your Presentism is showing.

>So you cherrypicked
This is cherry picking, dipshit.
>>131517568

>>131485936
I say fuck you USA! You started all those conflicting cts with your bombs and your democracy, now deal with the consequences and also take all the refugees from Europe. We are too poor to feed more people

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>>131519427
June 27, 2017
Germany and Islam
By Mike Konrad

Imperialism would not have destroyed Germany, per se; smaller and weaker nations such as Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, and even backward Spain all had empires.

But what set Germany apart was a concerted love of Arabs and Islam. There was something deeper and darker to this than mere German MachtPolitik. One of his first acts, upon assuming power as Kaiser, was to visit the Ottoman Empire in 1889, He wore a fez. He offered to arm the Turks.

http://archive.is/5YIWY
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/06/germany_and_islam.html

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>>131518686
Nobody asked for that proof, and if you reread the thread, I never claimed there are any OBJECTIVE moral standards. We all know that morality is not quantifyable (although when you compare the outcomes between christian societies and atheist societies you get a pretty good idea, but that is a different discussion). The question is wether the individual human thinks of moral standards as something worth respecting and ABSOLUTE despite the circumstances or just something to virtue signal around. My working thesis is that atheists have no moral standarts to adhere to, christians do, wether they are objecive or not. So far I have been proven right. What does objectivity have to do with this? It's a rhetorical attempt to mask the obvious emptyness atheists feel when they need to justify their actions. Which is where Islam comes in - it's foreign, it's violent and allows any kind of depravity just like atheism allows to, but it fills the hole atheists instinctively try to hide, just like you did. If you hurry up, you'll get to fuck a virgin before they are all taken up by your buddies.

>>131485936

The point is doing the right thing. Only those who follow Mohammed will be rewarded in the afterlife. If you don't want to burn in hell you will convert now and kill the kaffirs. Allahu Ackbars

>>131520003
In your own words, explain the difference between Absolute and Objective. You're playing word games.

>Atheists have no moral standards to adhere to (???? no explanation)
>Christians do (???? no explanation)

>empty statements with no explanation or justification whatsoever

What moral standards do Christians follow and how do you derive them and why should you obey them?

>>131485936
Man, what the hell is going on. Laci green has turned from a degenerate whore into a red pill supplier, Sam Harris(whom I couldn't stand even when I was an atheist) is sharing my view points, and Alex Jones is starting to sound rational. /Pol/ has become the center where I fact check for gods sake. So many perspectives to consider and they all start to sound alike the more the little man is pushed.

Jesus, If I had any idea that the red pill would be this effective I wouldn't have jumped straight from funnyjunk to /pol/. I should have been more careful. The only blame is on me really.

>The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

Albert Pike, a Satanic, globalist Mason, on August 15, 1871.

>>131492269
You are assuming that Jews are playing the long con. The truth is that they are unable to play the long con because they know that, sooner or later, they will be kicked out due to being "too jewy". Thus they seal their fate by only working for short term riches. Oddly enough, the longer a society won't acknowledge that the jews are a problem, the higher are the chances of a jew reaching "long term"-thinking. However, the jew-communities insistance on fucking shit up ensures that the lone clever jew won't have any influence, because he's already ash when the natives have woken up.

>>131520536
Harris is going on one of his patented "hol up *smacks brain* lemme spit sum hypotheticals n sheit" lines.

>>131520532

The golden rule is the closest thing we have to an absolute moral truth, of course you can always distort the golden rule if you're a masochist lunatic but that's just idiots trying to be edgy.

>>131486533
He means that only he and his faux intellectual friends should be discussing this and never ever offering any solutions.

If people who actually want to act start discussing it we may end up having to do something about it. That's not what some impotent rich kid wants.

>>131520003

Sounds very Peterson of you. However, you should look into research on neural and cognitive theories of morality. I can't point them to you directly, but George Lakoff talks about a moral frame in his book The Political Mind and I'm quite certain he points to other research on the subject there. He has good arguments about morality that have the incidental effect of disproving the necessity of a religion for a moral standard. It seems to be just another thing that is experiential.

>>131521225
Well I know that, I'm an atheist and think if every child was drilled the Golden Rule most bad things in society would evaporate overnight.

>>131485936
>This is the implication of statistics

The statistics are more against nigs than Muslims...And not all muslim countries are terrible, Turkey, Albania, Iran are certainly better than any African shithole

>>131490778
nobody has to take the refugees, they could go to war and stand their ground

>>131485936
wtf i like jews now

>>131510027
The guy literally backs Israel and foreign interventions by the military or deliberately dismissed their links to the very Muslims extremists he keep sharping on about.

>ABSOLUTE STATE of this shilling zionist apologist.

>>131521708
>Turkey, Albania, Iran
Those are your good examples?

Morocco is a hell of a lot safer than Iran

>>131486130
>subject your citizens to rape and violence
>morally superior

wew

>>131485936
>What is the fucking point?

I wish this was answered.
That's all I want to know. Give me a reason. Something I can use to formulate my own opinion.
"Virtue signalling" is not substantial enough.
They're always so adamant about not disclosing their motives and strictly counter attacking with name calling or labelling.
Just be forthright for once, let people know your true intentions and let them decide whether or not to join you in your cause.

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>>131485936
The US is trying to integrate Muslims into the west is for the sole reason of perpetuating the petro-dollar. If the West and the Middle East mix, the existence of the American reserve currency system will be insured. So long as this system stands, no economic world power can ever contest it.

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>>131520532
Absolute moral standarts refer to the difference between utlitiarianism and deontological moral codes. To this day, religions are the only thing to provide a deontological set of morals and christianity is the best one of them in my personal, quite intensively researched opinion.
So what is an absolute moral standard? It's just a random rule you value so high that you will not break it under any circumstances or have severe qualms if you do. Will you be content at all times if you follow a deontological code? Hell no, mudering and stealing is fun after all. If you pretend there is a god, respecting such rules becomes a lot easier. If you pretend there is no god, no rule will ever apply to you because there is no motivation. This is why atheists may have morals, but there is no way to motivate them to adhere to them at all times, which makes it equal to having none. This, as you have noticed, doesn't say anything about the quality of the rules. That is a different discussion.
Objective morals are consider "rationally explainable, always valid, extra pure" rules. It does describe the quality of the rule, judged by "rational thinking". They may or may not appear rational to you at different times, because what we percieve as rational is context dependent, as was demonstrated here: >>131514799.
Objective and abosolute are two very different words, I wonder why you think they mean the same. Maybe it's because in atheist talk, it indeed means the same.

Maybe he understands why we voted for trump? The refugee issue was an important issue on my lists.

>>131521632

The problem with that is that just like the masochist lunatic can take advantage of the golden rule, there would be new ideologies that would rise to take advantage of it.

For example let's say that kekistanism is a religion that got implemented in the golden rule world. Now kekistanism says that if you're not a kekistani you are living in pain and your only salvation comes through conversion or death. So if I'm a kekistani I can make the thought process that if I was a non-kekistani I would like for a kekistani to convert me or kill me. And that would still be in accordance with the golden rule.

Anyway, that's just to say that even the golden rule can be manipulated and distorted by those who have ill intent so it's not completely objective.

>>131522479

>If you pretend there is no god, no rule will ever apply to you because there is no motivation

That's a non-sequitur fantasy you conjured because your hypothesis demands it.

Fear of social backlash, fear of legal repercussions, fear of trauma, fear of failure, fear of harm and plain old wellbeing concerns are all more potent, more immediate reasons than some godly punishment in the distant future.

>>131522479
I don't get it. Explain to me like I am 5 years old, not this "deontological" word salad horse shit.

>Atheists have no motivation to be moral (because I said so)

Yes we do, we want to create a better society where everyone gets along as well as possible. Empathy is a reason. That doesn't count?

Why do theists have morals and atheists don't? Once we establish that Atheists have a motivation to be moral, which is obvious, then what do you say?

>>131523289
>Atheists
>we want to create a better society where everyone gets along as well as possible

Now you are a mind reader. Atheist do tend to think magically.

>>131523624
This is me replying to you, like you wanted.

>>131523748
Says the cherry picking time period denier

>>131523821
Here's that other reply you wanted.

Just waiting on my Swiss pal who, at least isn't obviously trolling.

>>131523982
Why do you think it's ok to cherrypick a parable that taught a larger lesson by describing a situation that had contemporary meaning to those present?

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>>131524176

>>131513661
It's pretty perverse - shitlibs insist Islam is peaceful, but here's Maajid saying that Islam needs to shed all violent components and reform, and they consider him a "hate filled islamophobe" or whatever.

>>131497872
>Highest rates of inbreeding are from the Islamic world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgwAGugPZtU

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>>131523115
> Fear of social backlash, fear of legal repercussions, fear of trauma, fear of failure, fear of harm and plain old wellbeing concerns are all more potent, more immediate reasons than some godly punishment in the distant future.
Those are all utlitiarian. If you need your peers to tell you that eating babies is wrong, well I can't help you either.
>>131523289
> Yes we do, we want to create a better society where everyone gets along as well as possible. Empathy is a reason. That doesn't count?
You want to tear society down and replace it with some sort of utopia. The problem is that not everyone goes along with it - coincidentally they are all people who are not utlitiarians.
The problem is that your motivation and rules are time and position dependent. A deontoligical moral set is not time and position independent. I have already explained that if you can change your moral compass at a whim, you may as well save the weight and throw it away.
It's the same reason socialism and communism turned out the way they did - if you are a materialist utlitiarian, eventually you will believe it's reasonable to put people into gulags or concentration camps. Or you will one day be all "refugees welcome", and the next day you will say what sam harris is saying now.

>>131524746
>if you can change your moral compass at a whim

You can't do that? Why not? Because your morality system is not subjective and thus objective by definition? Oh but that creates too many problems so we can't use the O word... we'll just say absolute *wink wink*.

>If you need your peers to tell you that eating babies is wrong

Why is eating babies wrong?

>>131514861
That's correct. The Qur'an is considered perfect, universal and timeless. It cannot be changed, and nor can you change the sunna of Muhammed because he is the perfect example.

I advocate learning the history and doctrine of Islam for the average citizen so our politicians and our media will be forced to confront the incompablities of our civilisation with the Sharia and persecutive doctrine against non-believers head on. We need to reform our policies not their damned belief. The practice of Islam needs to be contained and out of our countries.

>>131485936

I just don''t understand why they cant just automate all the shit they want the migrants to do..

Oh wait...

>>131485936
he never said this. u fucking faggot

>>131525176
> You can't do that? Why not?
Because I assume God won't like it and I'll get punished later. Call it karma if you want. Sounds stupid but it works because it doesn't leave me a lot of space to work around it. Subjectivity or objectivity doesn't matter, it's absolute, set in stone.
We went over this, you're now trying to bring some random metric into it that doesn't matter.
> Why is eating babies wrong?
See: Golden rule. Same goes with abortions. What's holding you back from a good meal?

>>131485936
All those accusations of xenophobia don't mean a goddamn thing. You get targetted even for talking about Islam in neutrals terms. If you don't virtue signal, you're automatically racist, according to these people.

Not that I give a fuck. Let them scream and shout until they realize they've turned their entire country around them into Nazis. I've made up my mind a long time ago: I'd vote for Hitler himself above even the most moderate Marxist, if that Marxist does not want to stop mass immigration.

>>131485936
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/26/sam-harris-critics-are-misrepresenting-his-words-in-an-effort-to-discredit-him/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

>Opponents of immigration and refugee resettlement in European countries were quick to point to the massacre as a defense of their beliefs. If you didn’t allow Muslims (or people from Islamic nations) into your country, they said, this sort of thing wouldn’t happen.
Harris wanted Nawaz to respond to that argument. Did those people have a point?

>But to set up that question, Harris played devil’s advocate. He put himself in the shoes of people who say these kinds of things and made the anti-immigration case himself for the sole purpose of setting the scene for Nawaz’s response.

then of course fgts like reza aslan take that clip out of context and make it like sam actually believes that.

>>131496631

>respect
>juden

You're no better than that kike and deserve the rope.

>>131525801
Okay, so you think that there is an Objective morality that we all have to follow or God will punish us. I don't know why you're so resistant to that. You're not allowed to have an opinion, as you said, it doesn't leave you a lot of space to work around.

>it's absolute, set in stone
>not the definition of what Objectivity is

Now you're talking about the Golden Rule, where is that in the Bible or where did God say "thou shalt not do things to others that you wouldn't like them to do to you"?

>>131505316
>still trying to force the ol atheists have no morals meme

Weak.

>>131513130
>I totally hate all religions, goy--I'm mean guys.
>Ignore the fact I never critique Judaism or Israel. It's pure coincidence.
Gas yourself

>>131507194
>Hitchens
>radical communist

I don't even fucking

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>>131527082
>things have nuance and proportion
>dae why does he criticize christianity and Islam proportionately to how many Christians or Muslims vs. Jews or Scientologists exist on planet earth

How many extremist, zionist jews can there possibly be? Even if every single Jew on earth is a secret zionist supremacist, they are a blip on the radar compared to the existential threat that islam poses.

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>>131527754

>How many zionist jews can there possibly be

>>131507194
>literal just say shit to sound smart in a nutshell

>>131485936
why the fuck does he have so much makeup on

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>>131528121
haha fahnny memes

>>131527754
>nuance and proportion
You can't be serious? Removing Islam from the equation, there is no nuance and proportionality about lil' Sammy's critique of Judaism compared to other religions, or Israeli foreign or domestic policy.

Here is a shekel for being an good ally, tho

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>>131526479
> so you think that there is an Objective morality
No I don't and I told you at least twice already. I think it matters wether the rules you choose to follow have any meaning to you beyond the immediate material value. Which is what sets us apart. You hold onto that "objective" meme as if your life depends on it. Why? Do you believe you're somehow closer to the objective truth than the rest of the planet?

>>131527110
I hope you're never going to fuck if you're this uninformed.

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>>131528670

If you honestly think Isis is more of a problem than zionism, you really need to lurk more.

>>131486130
fucking kill yourself sandnigger

>>131529141
>I don't think there is an objective morality
>morality is set in stone (by God) and cannot be changed

Idk at this point, maybe your first language isn't English, if you can't accept that that's just what the definition of Objectivity is, then we can't have an argument or debate. That's just a fact, sorry.

If God appeared and parted the Heavens and told you to kill your own mother, lest you rot in hell for eternity, would you?

>>131530018

Are you saying religious morality can't be subjective?

How do you explain all the different interpretations and ways to look at life all based from the same religious text?

>>131489497
Sam Harris is, at this point, probably more redpilled than he shows. He's Jewish so he's doing it from (((our))) perspective, though.

You can see it from the Charles Murray podcast.

Charles fucking Murray, you know the reasonable conservative that has worked with a jew to come to some inconvenient truths about IQ and success

>>131530360
Clearly all morality is subjective.

I explain the different interpretations of the Bible as human beings aren't perfect and all falsely believe their version is the objective truth. That's very simple.

>>131530566

Then what are you two arguing about you are both saying morality is subjective.

>>131485936
Fake news. The kike doesn't believe this.
>>131490778
Nobody made you open your borders to them. Or is the EU and its member states so weak that your borders couldn't stand up to the might of people fleeing their own homes.
Europeans disgust me.

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>>131530018
Indeed, my first language isn't english, but even I can use a dictionary.
adjective: objective
(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering

adjective: absolute
not qualified or diminished in any way; total.
viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.

Do you see the difference in meaning?
> That's just a fact, sorry.

> If God appeared and parted the Heavens and told you to kill your own mother, lest you rot in hell for eternity, would you?
I choose to be a christian (again), so no. I don't see how this is relevant.

>>131531649
utilitarianism vs. deontology is what it comes down to at the end. It's that simple really.

>>131531649
He does not think morality is subjective but he is trying to weasel out of that for (((reasons))) that seem obvious to me (so he doesn't actually have to defend the insanity of the Bible).

>if you can change your moral compass at a whim, you may as well save the weight and throw it away.

Those are not the words of someone attempting to make a "morality is objective" argument? He says that if you can change your morals then it's not moral period. If you believe that you can't change your morals, then you necessarily also believe that morals are not subjective and thus objective.

>>131532046
>objectivity
>not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering

Exactly. Your morality is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions because you believe that whatever God says is what is moral.

>I'm a Christian, therefore I would outright defy God to his face

You are a highly confused young man.

Sam Harris is a terrible philosopher but he's right you know

>>131532505
>>131532046
You're both objectively autistic.

>>131533056
Why is he a terrible philosopher?

>>131533145
Why am I autistic? or is it just an ad-hom into immediate evacuation of thread?

Stuffed in a duffle bag with two gunshots and locked from the outside whenm

>>131532505

>He says that if you can change your morals then it's not moral period.

Did he say that? He said based on a whim, but never said you can't change your morals. At least that's not the way I read it and that's where I think your disagreement lies. He can be a Christian and have a different interpretation of "the word of God" than some other Christian does, which doesn't necessarily mean he did it on a whim.

For example westboro would have a different interpretation from catholics yet they both follow the same word of God.

>>131533255
>or is it just an ad-hom into immediate evacuation of thread?
What? Did you miss that i'm not the same Swiss guy you had the argument with? Stop being so autistic.

>>131506794
Yes, yes it's those Christians. Good goy they are the root of all your problems...

>>131524746

>If you need your peers to tell you that eating babies is wrong, well I can't help you either.

But you do need your peers to form ANY moral system. Moral systems require sophisticated categories and the ability to deal with counterfactuals, which don't seem possible to develop without language, and language requires other people by virtue of its acquisition process.

Also, you're talking like a post-modernist, denying the possibility of a biological basis for nurture. You might not eat a baby simply because of your drive to protect the young of your species.

Your own example also ignores the differences in willpower and conviction in people. A weak-minded religious person might eat a baby to sate his terrible hunger while a strong-minded atheist might choose to die.

Finally, you assume that people don't follow utilitarian reasons when abiding by religious dogma. Fear of divine punishment is still fear of punishment, that is, the selfish instinct to protect oneself from harm. That the punishment will be administered by a sky daddy doesn't make the reasoning any less utilitarian.

>>131534007
What? What? Why did you quote mine my post and leave out the part where I asked why you called me autistic? Do you disagree with my argument?

>>131508970
This. Islam at it's core is a conquest religion. It will always go back to that way of being.

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What if I told you that this is Italy?

Sam Harris literally did a 3 hour podcast where he said he agrees the differences in average IQs between races is at least in part genetic

Then he goes on to say that he can't be racist because he knows there's more variation within a race than between them on average

He seems legitimately autistic if he thinks recognizing that certain people are lower IQ won't have an impact on how he perceives them at all.

>>131494183
They have so much grip on every fucking western country, they're on a power trip. That's how they will fall. They had the same grip on Germany before Hitler rose up. They think they learned their lesson because they control the alt right and they can use muslims as scapegoat for the gentiles anger. They think they're so smart because they plot and plan everything, but they're not the only ones to plan.

>>131485936
>It seems perfectly rational to say “We don’t want any more! We have enough,
How many is enough? 0 is enough, more than 0 is a growing problem.

>>131485936
>Not having 1/100 000th of a country emigrate freely to yours is the same as deliberately ending their race

oh

>>131524740
Based Bill Warner. Always relevant

>>131485936
>What is the fucking point of having more Muslims in your society?

...says the clown who said americans should vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Donald Trump. Yes, he's right, you can't make a society better by adding muslims to it, but Mr. I'm Most Rational Jew in the World is still a joke. I don't know why people pay attention to that egocentric nerd.

>>131485936
Sam Harris was LITERALLY advocating the "moderate rebels" angle that resulted in the rise of ISIS, Al-Nusra and hte Muslim Brotherhood right up until he realized that repeating "moderate rebels" over and over would convince people that such a thing as moderate Muslims existed.

This dumb neocon atheist fuckstick kike signed his own death warrant. I cannot WAIT to see him try to pretend to be a gentile and advocate white identity in five years when the shitskins start throwing faggots and Jews like him off of buildings.

But I'll remember. And when we're rounding up the nonwhites, he'll be the first on my list. I will let Ezra Levant and Tim Wise go if I get to bag Sam Harris and beat him to death in front of his kids with a hammer.

>>131502402
I doubt Fareed Zakaria has ever BTFO anyone.

>>131534207
>Do you disagree with my argument?
A question and an assumption aren't an argument
>Why did you quote mine my post
It's called leaving the irrelevant part out as it wasn't related to the answer i gave you.
>What? What?
Continues to display autistic behavior. Probably even underaged.

>>131507420
Bill does it to get his swear quota in for the day
In all actuality he doesn't mind Islam at all, if he did he would use his commie fuck bank account of millions to actually do something about it
But he doesn't, because he doesn't care

>>131508994
Probably more actually

>>131534042
They are. Look at the Chinks and the Nips, totally immune to this kind of nonsense.

>>131509549
>Bashar Al-Assad and Gaddafi.
>Comparing based Gadaffi to that Muslim piece of shit
Hang yourself

>>131485936
Can we ask the same question about jews or is it anti-semitic?

>>131489445
>Harris is only saying this because he's a jew.

In one of his books he blames the Palestinian suicide bombers phenomenon on religion. He's just another irrelevant jewish intellectual.

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>>131535435

>>131486184
He's weirdly redpilled. He'd certainly be alt right if he was white and not jewish. Jewish tribalism keeps his interests on the left.

>>131489497

sam harris is entry level to this place and redpilling,

>>131536016
Jews cover all the political spectrum to ensure they never lose. The alt-right is 100% kosher. Just look at PJW when he was asked a bout jews. He soiled his pants.

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>>131485936
>Jerusalem
>Intifada
This kike can get gassed. Christian Palestinians in the PFLP and Aqsa Brigades killed Israeli Occupation Soldiers during the Intifada too. Israel's fight with Palestinians =/= Europe

>>131490609
And so that (((weapons companies))) make more money in the event of a civil war

>>131504398
>Solution like..?

Like stopping mass immigration.

Don't forget: Mr Rationality was the guy who supported Hillary Clinton, the presidential candidate who wanted to import five times more muslim refugees than Obama. He's disingenuous, like a typical ethnocentric jew.

>>131517798
You're a fucking sleuth aren't you

>>131535376

You sound mentally stable...

>>131536690
>Mr Rationality was the guy who supported Hillary Clinton, the presidential candidate who wanted to import five times more muslim refugees than Obama
/thread

>>131537257

I almost forget about this shit.

>>131536690
Sam Harris did not agree with importing that number of refugees. He found it hard to disagree with Trump's overall attitude towards mass immigration. But other than that, he explained the myriad other reasons he could not vote for Trump. Sam believed Clinton to be the lesser evil. He explained that he thought that Trump's foreign policy and rashness could lead to something far worse happening than a bunch of Syrians coming to the USA. Such as him starting a nuclear war, something Sam felt was and is a realistic threat. Sam went on for dozens and dozens of hours and for you to just say he supported Hillary Clinton who wanted to import five times more refugees is not a fair representation of his position.

>>131510027
>Would you respect a man that doesn't know what conservative means and has obviously never actually listened to a person but will label them a neo-conservative?

You're the clueless one. Neoconservatives aren't conservatives, they're militaristic Israel-centric open borders anti-nativist Republican Party members. The term 'neo-conservative' refers to the trotskysist jews who infiltrated the Republican Party and smeared the conservative 'isolationists' as antisemites and whatnot. It's documented.

http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/030918_neoconservatism.htm

"“the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.”" -Irving Kristol

>>131514890
underrated

>>131538110

He agrees with neocon policies that will increase the number of refugees and effectively destroy Europe. The only reason he was against Trump is because John Oliver and Roberto DeNiro told him to and he lacked the balls to go against the current or worse, he actually understand how much of a warhawk Hillary is and straight out lied in order to promote zionist interests. But wooah he figured out god doesn't exist and sat alongside Hitchens once so he must be a genius. Fuck sam harris.

Why take anyone seriously if they aren't discussing race and IQ, and the fact that it's suicidal for whites to have non-white immigration to their countries. And that the Jewish hegemony is what is causing our problems.

I don't care if you risk losing your job or destroying your reputation; if you don't stand up for what is true, then you are nothing. You are worthless.

These peoples are in on it, or stupid, or cowardly, or just dishonest.

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>>131536577
>Christian Palestinians in the PFLP and Aqsa Brigades

So Ahmed what you're telling me is that christians aligned themselves with the al aqsa martyrs brigade?

>>131538796
>And that the Jewish hegemony is what is causing our problems.

Well lets just forget about all the non-jewish globalists then shall we? Its the jews!!! THE EVIL JEWS I TELL YOU!!!

Whats the point of beaners? or niggers?

Then you get into the thought of why we have countries in the first place

>>131509549
>I can't respect a man who can't differentiate between western created ISIS groups and say Bashar Al-Assad and Gaddafi. He's a grade A tool of the highest order who thinks he knows more than what he does.

The guy once offered $10K or $20K to anyone who could refute his argument -- and he decided he was the only one able to judge if he won or lost the argument. He's so full of himself he probably litterally sucks his own penis at least once a day. He's not a philosopher or a thinker or a scientist, he's just a jewish intellectual who writes books and who likes to think of himself as an intellectual VIP.

>>131535820

>In one of his books he blames the Palestinian suicide bombers phenomenon on religion. He's just another irrelevant jewish intellectual.

Sussinctly put.

That's really all that needs to be said. He's just a Jew looking out for his own Jewish interests.

>>131538716
Sam Harris absolutely does not agree with policies that increase the number of refugees and effectively destroy Europe. That's just a false statement. If we're talking about Muslim refugees, he's explicitly against that. You can just go "well he's a damn lying jew rat" and there is no argument against that. Sam, as far as I understand him, believes Hillary is a warhawk and that that's not necessarily a bad thing. Not everyone is an isolationist no-wars-can-ever-be-waged-for-any-reason type thinker. Some people, like Sam Harris, actually believe that if there is a sufficient level of needless human suffering concentrated in 1 spot and caused by 1 party, like possibly in Iraq or North Korea, there is a real case to be made for a military intervention.

Wanting to intervene to stop human suffering on a genocidal scale like in Iraq =/= wanting to cause a humanitarian and political crises in the aftermath in order to flood Europe with refugees, like in Iraq. Believe it or not some people do just want to help random strangers, even brown skinned ones.

>>131539551

So basically what makes him an "intellectual" is able to do all sorts of mental gymnastics and use all sorts of words in order to justify actions that are unjustifiable? Got it.

You should enjoy Albright too, I'm sure she's against "needless human suffering" and that "military intervention is required to stop genocidal human suffering". Too bad your retarded ideologies make you sit side by side with neocons like Hillary, so I don't really care how pretty your words are when your rational leads to the same conclusion as "let's bomb them and make some cash"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYagQuqK31s

Sam is a neocon demagogue who is really good at being a demagogue. I can come up with all sorts of rationale to vote some BLM lunatic into office. This might make me smart but still a scumbag.

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>>131503492

Bringing in more mudslimes and apologizing harder

>>131538875
Hi kikey. Aqsa Brigades is part of the secular PLO. The PLO was founded largely by Christians such as Mikhail Dawoud and Nayef Hawatmeh. Every last militant in this pic are Christian, including the female martyr in the banner.

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>>131540813
>pic

>>131540781
>"military intervention is required to stop genocidal human suffering"
>"needless human suffering"

Because you put them in quotes is that supposed to mean that you imply I'm actually saying something else, or that starting a war to stop a genocide is a bad thing? Stopping a party from murdering innocent people is unjustifiable? You might be a psychopath.

>>131530563
I cannot recommend that podcast to /pol/ enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s

>>131517798
Kek

>>131536480
PJW is not part of the alt right and he disavowed the second the roman salutes were done at NPI.

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>>131540813
Guess that huge mosque in their logo, under/in between assualt rifles must be secular too then.

>>131505813
>I can't understand secular morals, I need a random book to tell me what's right or wrong

Why not get your morals from Cinderella while you're at it faggot?

>>131527110

He was a trotskyite for years and in the last years of his life he said he was still a marxist even though he was no longer a socialist. Which likely means he never stopped being an internationalist trotskyite.

Why do some people worship this clown? I'm am atheist and I would be embarassed to be associated with the likes of Hitchens, Harris, etc

>>131541069

You're a complete idiot, this jackass Sam Harris might say those things that sound good on paper but what happens in reality is completely opposite. What genocide has the US stopped by intervening in the ME since 9/11? What the fuck are you even talking about? Starving 500 thousand children is justifiable because the regime is killing some people? What are you even talking about? This idiot is using fancy hypotheticals to justify current intervention in the ME, when it is the current intervention in the ME that created the refugee crisis and further rise of islamic exremism. So outside of pretty words this guy has no argument. His line of reasoning led him to support Hillary, which goes to show his line of reasoning is completely retarded or simply in support of neocons and zionists.

You're going to take one of his thoughts like:

>military intervention is required to stop a genocide

and say "oh yes this makes sense I agree with this wtf I love Hillary now". Fucking pathetic.

>>131541974
>Harris

But he and his ex-jiahdist buddy majid will reform islam into something less terrible! Just you wait!!!

>>131485936
But you can't ask that question, because by that logic you can easily ask "What is the fucking point of having more blacks in your society?' or "What is the fucking point of having more Mexicans in your society?" It's a question that shatters the testament of leftism, so the actually intelligent leftists know to not bring it up.

>>131542028
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/world/05iht-saddam.html

Saddamn killed 5,000 kurds in 1 day. He killed many more throughout the 80s and 90s and that's just the Kurds. He was a genocidal maniac and we just couldn't have it anymore. The justification for going into Iraq was great, the planning of the invasion and the misunderstanding of the level of sectarian divide in that country was terrible. If you think that the War in Iraq is the reason Muslims are blowing themselves up today, you're a fool.

>>131538110
>He found it hard to disagree with Trump's overall attitude towards mass immigration.

Because he's just another jewish neocon intellectual >>131538204

Donald Trump would be more likely to start a nuclear war than Hillary Clinton? Huh? This just shows how clueless this clown is. Everyone knows the calm Hillary Clinton you see on TV is the complete opposite of the Hillary Clinton you see in private when there are no cameras. He may know a thing or two about meditation, I'll give him that, but for everything else he's a complete waste of time.

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>>131499269
>pls stahp.
I want off Mr Bones wild ride

>>131485936
He was playing devil's advocate.

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>>131543197

>The justification for going into Iraq was great

Are you a comedian?

>>131485936
what is this Jews endgame?

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>The justification for going into Iraq was great
>This cartoon of a spooky anthrax lab was great

10/10 comedian right there

>>131543569
>Everyone knows the calm Hillary Clinton you see on TV is the complete opposite of the Hillary Clinton you see in private when there are no cameras.

and everyone knows that the buffoon Donald Trump you see on TV and Twitter is actually either a genuine idiot or the world's greatest method actor, either one is disconcerting. The cold, calculating hawk in Clinton seems much safer.

>>131543784
I don't care about WMD's. They dropped white phospherous, bombs, shot people. It doesn't make a difference to me if they had "WMD's" and it never did because I was never concerned about Saddam attacking the USA. He attacked his own people at an utterly unacceptable rate (as opposed to the slow torture and death of North Korea by that regime), that's justification enough and I'm glad Bush went into Iraq.

Could there be any other reason why the US went into Iraq instead of NK or Turkey or wherever there is some injustice? Let me ask Israel first:

>A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel. The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction". Certain parts of the polices set forth in the paper were rejected by Netanyahu.

>>131544511
based bibi

>>131541285
>he disavowed the second the roman salutes were done at NPI.

It was that TRS guy married to a jewish woman, Peinovich(?), who jumped on the occasion to do his stupid roman salute for the cameras, and then a few others followed him. He even bragged about starting the whole thing in an interview. It must have been a pure coincidence that the Atlantic Magazine was there with their cameras to document the event.