THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR A CASE OF A BAKER REFUSING TO BAKE

>>131427036
Considering the recent decision regarding public funds for secular purposes at religious institutions, I'd say so.

>>131427036
Breyer

Ginsburg

Sotomayor

Kennedy

Kagan

"Religious Freedom"

To inflict harm upon others?

No.

Do actual cases of systematic abuse ever get sent to court in US or is it all carefully manufactured situations by opposing political forces?

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>>131428247
No, it's pretty much as you say.

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No one is saying you cant turn fags away, you just cant fucking say "GET OUT FAGS REEEE" If Supreme Courts allow this, then we have to hear fucking cultists spew whatever dumbass superstition they want for everyday exchanges. Im capable with choosing how my money is spent, but fuck giving more power to peoples imaginary best friends. Religious retards still need to be culled, too

Who cares your fucking religion, just spout any other excuse that doesnt fall within the legal semantics of discriminate towards a identifiable demographic. Fucking simple

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>>131427650
weak b8 faggot

>>131427650
This. Unless Kennedy retires he will vote with the left on an issue like this.

>>131429469
>i don't like religion so some people should be forced to work for homosexuals.

>>131429469
There is no law claiming that if someone offers money for product or service then you must render that product or service to them.
> If Supreme Courts allow this, then we have to hear fucking cultists spew
Right, sure, mhmm. And allowing nigger marriage led to the allowance of kid diddling and dog fucking.
>rest of post
Careful friendo your fedora is showing. You seem to forget we have a freedom to religion and a freedom to not be discriminated based on religion, there however exists no freedom to not be discriminated upon because you're a literal ass jockey.
For example:
I own FSM Cars and Autosport. FSM says I cannot interact with people whom willingly and openly disclose they commit sodomy. By the supreme court telling me I have to sell to them, they are dictating my religion.

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>>131429938
tell me where in the bible does it say you cant take money from fags for services?

this is the personal interpretation by of a some book made by sheepfuckers 2000 years ago parading around as "religious liberty." quite the stretch, fag.

>>131430540
They don't want to not serve homosexuals. They specifically just don't want to bake wedding cakes for them. They'll still sell them donuts if they want.

>>131430540
To commit homosexuality is a sin. To knowingly conspire with sinners is also a sin.
Don't feel like finding the actual verses because your neckbeard would just get in the way of reading them and the too small fedora is cutting off so much circulation you be able to use critical thinking to link the two together.

>>131430540
Its only about baking wedding cakes I believe

>>131427036
top kek
>freedom
>you cannot deny a service to whomever

Any other atheists hate gays? Why do they always put on an accent, like they want you to know they're gay, and they always act like "look at me",carry man purses,think it's natural to stick your dick where another man shits, and so much more. Why don't they act and talk like normal people? Most people that hate them, don't hate them because of religion, but because of how they act. Most of the hate they get, is brought on by themselves.

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>>131429469
>Atheist

lmao what year is it ?

I dont see why you should be commished to build a cake just because you have sold other custom pieces.

>>131430540
You shouldn't be forced to sell shit to anyone. Fuck the Bible. It's a human independence thing. You know what compelling someone to work for you who doesn't want to is called? Slavery.

Now, if you wanna bring that back, we can have that conversation...

>>131431481
I hate them precisely because of that, they're attention whores who just want to be treated special because they are different. And left is giving them attention and special treatment so they are rampant leftits which makes them even worse.

>>131429629
Kennedy has hired clerks going up until next year.

>>131431481
They're fucking fags, bro. If they could just avoid the faux-female shit and putting on voices I could maybe tolerate fucking dudes in the ass. Be like Ernst Rohm - fag war hero Nazi. Or any amount of faggot Greek and Roman soldiers.

>>131431481

Hate is already an emotion for the intellectually and emotionally stunted. There's no reason to hate anybody... especially for something like speaking or acting in a particular way that doesn't actually infringe on your freedoms. I've never understoood and never will understand why people give a fuck what people do or act like so long as it's not really affecting you... if you're affected by these faggot prides or a high rising terminal then there's things in your life that need your attention.

>>131427036
Gorsuch, Thomas and Alito would probably side with the baker.

Sotomayor, Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan will be against him no matter what.

So Roberts and Kennedy will decide. It might go either way.

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>>131430201
the constitution and government have to promise that all men are created equal in the eyes of the law, and this constitution and government serves the public. for you to operate as a business open to the -PUBLIC-, key word, in this country, you have to follow the example of the government. the government is prevented from discrimination, there is no way that a buisness built in a American town on American infrastructure protected by American soverignity should be able to then break that rule when opened to the public. if you dont want to follow that simple rule, fucking find a country that aligns with religious beliefs

furthermore, your freedom to religion has to stop when it infringes on a fags right, in the eyes of the law, to be "equal." telling an american citizen his money isnt as good as someone elses based on sexual preference is a definite argument for discrimination, because the offender has made his mind up before they ever interacted with said faglord.

if you held values, you would accept the principal objectively. people who struggle with emotions struggle with values

>>131432215

Is it faux female shit? How can anybody really know but that person... I sincerely doubt people can spend and maintain that much energy making sure they sound a particular way every day, all the time... do you walk around trying to make your voice sound deeper? Do you make sure you hold your hands a certain way? Have you ever made sure you were walking a certain way? No, you don't...

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>>131432215
Hey bb, /mascgen/ here. Come get your dick sucked while firing off your favorite handguns.

>>131432590

hate is the opposite of love. love attracts, hate repels.

without hate, how will you repel something?

and if you love something, you fear harm coming to it. you hate the harm that could come to it. and if you don't, then you don't really love that thing.

>>131432647
The baker would sell anything to gays except wedding cakes. He considers himself an artist, and doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding because he doesn't approve of it. He refuses to make Halloween cakes for the same reason. Surely you don't want to force him to start baking Halloween cakes.

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>>131431853
businesses deserve the right to deny
service to anyone. however, people also have the right to be equal. as in the case when rights conflict, your rights STOP when it infringes on mine (i.e. falsely yelling fire in a movie theater puts everyone at risk, so you freedom of speech must be limited a little to protect my right for safety)

im not trying to put equality on a pedestal, its just appears open/shut to me. i still agree the business has every right to deny service. you just have to avoid the fucking several legal landmines Americans have. they fucked up with they said "no, cause youre gay." forget all the rest, merits for an entire case is all in those 4 words

>>131431016
>TIL Jesus was a sinner

>>131432850
I don't. I'm normal. Fags do. They're narcissists hyper-conscious of image -- at least the ones who do the shit we are talking about.

Get to know a fag well instead of just virtue signaling that you have faggot friends. If you ask him to show you his "Man Voice" and he trusts you wel enough, he will. Better yet, know a fag before he comes out as a fag. You'll see the change.

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>>131429469
>knock knock muthafuka

>>131433218
Only if you say "no homo" first.

>>131427650
What harm was inflicted?

Did the baker take the money and run?

>>131427650
Refusing to bake a cake is not inflicting harm. It's not providing a service you have no obligation to provide.

>>131433383

Fearing harm for self-preservation or the preservation of your loved one has nothing to do with hate... I don't make my kids wear helmets when they ride on my snowmobile because I hate them not wearing helmets... you don't need to 'hate' the idea of harm to simply wish no harm comes and protect them as a parent. We're talking about random fags trying to live their lives... sure, they do obscene, annoying shit but it's simply not a reason to hate them since it's like we talked about... not actually harming you, and if you're supposedly finding harm in them holding pride parades, kissing in public etc... then you're failing to act like a rational human.

>>131433575
>"no, cause youre gay."
when did they say that, even implicitly?

>>131427036
Bump

>>131433651
Lol. The fags I've known I've known since childhood... and I knew the entire time before they even understood what being gay was that they were different. Believe me, I live in Minneapolis and know tons of faggots... and putting on a man's voice proves about as fucking much as you or I throwing on some faggot lisp. So... I'm not buying it.

>>131433713
Always.

>>131433651
I've always been pushed away by the gay community. I'm just not fit for Los Angeles.

>>131433575

1. Fuck equality. We're not soon' that.

2. Property rights and rights to association and CONTROL OF MY OWN FUCKING LABOR trump your desire for a cake, a new wall, whatever. Fuck you. It's my work. You have no right to it. I could hate everyone with red shirts. Doesn't matter. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

3. Fire in a crowded theater is fucking retarded. It was used to shut down the speech of socialist anti-war protesters. Incitement and such attenuated "speech crimes" are utterly retarded and need to be removed from the law.

>>131427036
I can't wait to have muslim bakers make me some gay pork filled kebab for X event.

>>131434219
Point being, we can consciously act a certain way... but the idea that some gay people are maintaining the level of consciousness to 'sound gay' 24/7... including in childhood is just insane to me.

>>131434219
The faggot lisp is fake. They're trying to appear more feminine. Shows you don't know any actual faggots that well. Here I am hating fags and I have better buttfucking oven-fodder friends than you do.

>>131434278
The gay community is full of fags anyway. Just be gay and live a normal life and make normal friends.

>>131433651
I know. Cut the accent, stop acting to so sexual in public places, and dress like normal people at pride parades. Stop walking around in man thongs at pride parades where children are attending. No one needs to see that.

>>131427036
Isn't this the same couple who claimed they were "mentally raped" by the baker's decision? I'm surprised this hasn't been laughed out of court. Just shows how much power these lunatic faggots really have.

>>131433996
want me to spoonfeed you, you goddamn knuckledragger?

i was going to screenshot, but fuck you. 2nd paragraph in OPs article, literally the summarized argument

>>131434405
I doubt it. And you're ignoring my point and anecdotes and your argument is basically 'yeah well my anecdotes are right yours aren't'. Speech pathologists have already identified that it's a subconscious formation of linguistics and when you show me the science behind "the faggot lisp is fake" then I'll give a shit... but you're missing the point anyway. Hating them because they sound like faggots? Wholly irrational and you know it. I don't give a fuck what clothes people wear yet I'm supposed to care how they talk or walk? Fuck out of here with that shit.

>we have the right to refuse service to anyone
>YOU HAVE TO BAKE THE DAMN WEDDING CAKE

>>131433928
This so much..... They obviously could easily have found another baker who would

>>131427036
res judicata per the 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States

>>131427036
land of the free... get fucked america. Im watching documentaries about waco and ruby ridge, the american people are completely enslaved to the whims and fancies of their government.

>>131434756
And Rosa Parks rode dozens if not hundreds of buses in the front trying to start some shit.

>>131434841
Those two atrocities are a stain on our collective souls.

>>131434641
Yeah I mean, if the courts disagree with you then it must be the power of the faggots who are controlling the U.S. supreme court and not the power of our judicial system, logic and reason of our judiciary and their interpretation of the constitution and what they view as inalienable rights of American tax paying citizens. You live in a fucking fantasy world if you think faggots have any power over the courts... but I get that when things don't go your way you need to blame someone, anyone.

>>131427036
Waste of time, private businesses can deny service for any reason at any time.

If this passes can you not just invent a religion saying "no services to blacks" and then do that? Then the civil rights act is pointless

>>131434713
You hate them because they're unnatural. They're acting feminine and weak and submissive. They're men. They're supposed to be dominant and aggressive and behave like men. Be a warrior fsggot who happens to fuck other dudes and you're tolerable. Otherwise, gas yourself already.

Also you openly use the democrat flag, breddy sure your anecdotes aren't to be trusted.

They will rule that the bakers must become gay.

>>131427650
The gay men are inflicting harm on the pastry chef.

>>131434985
Way to address what I was saying and not go off on a strawman. Also
>what is the 13th amendment

On one side you have the possible inconvenience of having to go elsewhere for a cake. On the other you have a state where you don't own your own labor. It really is a toughie.

>>131434906
its still so relevant, if you try and break away from their system, they are after you. Even people who go off the electricity grid get hounded by the police. Thank god you have the rights to guns. Never relinquish it. Europe sucks but things are ok away from the centre of the evil empire...for now.

Someone should come up with 10,000,000,000$ and force Trumps sons to build a skyscraper shaped like a penis.

Because there is no difference between 60 minutes to build a custom cake and 6 years to build a custom skyscraper.

>>131435150
What because I happen to be a pro labor, pro union airline pilot who believes we should invest more in Americans than making sure your corporate overlords can enslave you. I'd rather be a slave to the government we elect whose arm strength is made up of us than the corporations who want to make sure you live no better than a 3rd world monkey. I come from a wealthy family split down the middle and I know exactly who the greater of the two evils is. Don't let kikebart scare you with this SJW narrative... that's hardly the problem in society, that's hardly the problem facing you and your children 20 years from now.

>>131432590
It affects you. Believe me. If you live in the Bay Area and you do not feign fanhood and pretend not to be Christian, you get all kinds of shit.

>>131434405
You don't know actual faggots either. They do put that lisp on but then they do it so much that become there voice and after some time it takes more effort to speak"normally" than with a lisp

>>131432647
Fine, then you have no right to turn down a job you do not want, either. Particularly, if the clients are impossible.

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>>131427036

Yes. Clear case the baker's rights were denied.

>>131434756
Buses are a public service. They are not comparable to a privately owned shop.

>>131435931
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>>131435062
it wont pass precisely because of this consideration

>>131427036
Cant he just quote the part of the bible that says homosexuality is wrong and then just say that forcing him to treat them like they aren't "wrong" directly contradicts the religion.

I mean, I don't really have anything against gays, but it clearly does violate religious freedom.

>>131427650
>To inflict harm upon others?
Refusing service is not inflicting harm. Would you take a bartender to court for not serving you while you're busy vomiting all over the floor?

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>>131435860

Being gay is demonic possession. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>131427036
Republicans are literally the American ISIS

>>131436137
Yes, he's identified, correctly, the need to protect individual freedoms from religious persecution. If the cake shop denied them because doing business with these fags threatened their business in any way... then they have a good case to deny them their business, but to deny paying customers on the basis of religious reasons sets a dangerous precedent.

>>131435550
Sixty minutes? Are you serious? You have no idea what goes into a custom order, do you?

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>>131435062
Exactly. The civil rights act is morally flawed.
This is what we call here on /pol/ a "red pill".

>>131434713
I've known Gay ppl it's just like going to a different country you try to mimic the accent until a point where it is your accent and it's easier than your old accent

>>131436323
Yeah, now, if only we could prove demons existed, and could find out a way to excise the demons from humans... then the problem could go away. Too bad the Jewish iron age desert trilogy doesn't explain how to do it.

>>131436407
Bowl. IF the gay men win, it means every creative person can be forced to write, sing, film, things they do not want to. This is Naziism.

>>131434514
That's what I've been doing. I don't even tell anyone until they need to or ask. It's usually a surprise but I've never lost a friend over it. Usually I'm more conservative than them.

I have a good run. No complaints in life except on taxes and gun laws of California. Well, sometimes I'd like a conservative bf that likes hiking and dirt bikes. That doesn't do meth or degenerate things

>>131427036
>religious freedom
Or just freedom to sell your services to who you please?

>>131435862
a job is a individual agreement on a contractural basis beteen you and a employer. in your example, the decision to accept a job is mine alone, and not subject to discrimination clauses. the employer, who offered the jobs to the -public- at large, IS held to these discrimination clauses

a business retailing to the american public already made the -decision- to attempt to serve the public at large. sadly, there are fags/Muslims/niggers and other demographics that are included in the american public. you cant pick and choose people after they enter in search of services.

>>131436585
We do have ways to excise demons from humans, but fags are choosing not to read the Bible and go to church.

>>131435635
Pro-Union. Fuck off, commie scum. I'm not afraid of SJWs. I don't like fucking reds

>be baker
>be forced to make cake for some faggots
>make it complete shit
>terrible quality ingredients
>wrong design
>misspell the names
>accidentally drop it once or twice
>charge full price plus tip

They'll never bother him again.

>>131432647
That's fucking stupid. A private business can discriminate service to people for many reasons if they want. But most importantly you can't FORCE a business to serve you.

Public sectors and private have very different rules for them.

>>131437734
I always thought that maybe if it gets to the point where the government flat out forces bakers to bake gay wedding cakes, they should say to the gays, "I'll bake the cake for you, but I'll tell you upfront, 100% of the money I make from you two will be donated to Christian organizations dedicated to curing homosexuality."

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>>131436585

The Bible is clear.

>>131429469
The ruling is indeed saying you must serve fag weddings. If you do not like religion then fuck off to some atheist paradise like NK.
Just grab your fur suit, put on your fedora and head out. I am sure they will just love you there, comrade.

>>131437734
when they lose this case (for the 3rd time since its at the SCOTUS), they will feel plenty retarded for not just charging 5x the amount and delievering a subpar cake baked by a mexican they hired for the day

Serious question, what does the Priest/Judge pronounce them at the end of their marriage ceremony?

"husband and husband","wife and wife", "married"?

>>131436356
I don't think you know the meaning of the following words: literally, isis, rebublicans, are

>>131438269

They won't lose.

>>131437266
>a business retailing to the american public already made the -decision- to attempt to serve the public at large.
No they haven't. That's a decision you're forcing them to make. If I set up a yard sale with a "whites only" sign, what business is it of anyone else to tell me who I can and can't sell MY stuff to? It's MY stuff.

>>131438387

>I now pronounce you, anal lovers

>>131438010
you didnt read my post, leaf

a private buisness opened to the public still has to serve the public. the public is protected by rights which were heavily empowered during civil rights.

it isnt a dictionary of rights thats hard to keep track of either. its discrimination and the merits are clear

>>131438983
Legally you're correct. Morally, the law is shit.

>>131438402
they will. even if decided along party lines, Justice Flipflop will jerk himself off once again as the vote breaker for progressives because hes a clear centrist

>>131427036
doesn't he want money? More clients the better

>>131439285

>centrist

No.

I get around it simply by saying..... Ok when you need it next month? Im 4 months booked, but For an extra 10,000.00 I can bake the cake. That will be 10,150.00 US please.

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>>131438387
>bug chaser and gift giver

>>131427036
They have a business license through the government and they are open to the public. It's a fucking business, they should be concerned about making money. If you want to be a true Christian go open your bakery inside a church. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They are just as bad as that fat bitch Kim Davis, crying about oppression when they are the most privileged. They are bigger faggots than the faggots they refused.

>>131435550
Trumps sons arent mouthbreathing bakers. They possess the acuity to avoid a discrimination lawsuit while telling the person to fuck off.

if this loses businesses lose the right to refuse service, yes?
spin it
>maga hat, awoo shirt
>liberal bakery
>bake me a cake
>libs forced due to their own case ruling
we can't actually lose y'all

>>131438269
If Kennedy retires they will win. If he stays they will loose. Either way, you will still be sucking massive amount of cock and your family will still be ashamed of you.

>>131438676
you would quickly have some cop (cause someone called them) come by and pester you about a permit, you dumbass childposter. and if you were to apply for a permit, under no grounds will a muncipality give you expressed permission for that, not to say you have to announce it and push your luck. however unlike you, every business NEEDS permits

but no one is really gunna police you for something so petty and inconsequential.

>>131439521
Relative terms, fag

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>>131437510
Wrong.gif

I was strict Christian and almost committed myself to the cloth because I thought I was asexual and above women. It wasn't until later in high school that I noticed. I was never molested or any other stupid reason you might pass off for an answer as to why I'm a faggot.

I can't pray or switch it off. I just end up miserable and the urge to act in degeneracy rises. If I acknowledge it, I can at least manage those feelings better.

>>131427036

If I own a business, I should be able to decide who I want as customers and who I don't want. The public's pocket books will decide how successful my decisions are.

>>131430540
So every single one of the dead guys died because of AIDS.
Not one of them in a car accident or train explosion or an autoerotic asphyxiation?

whatever.

>>131427036
>eating a cake someone was forced to bake for you by the supreme court

Jesus christ. When someone refuses that there is a sign to just go elswhere but to actually fight for them to make you the cake my god

>>131427036
Bump

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>>131434841
Don't worry they were avenged.

>>131442942
christ. What kind of explosion is needed to do that to a building fucking hell.

>>131441337
You have homosexual urges. Kleptomaniacs have urges to steal, pyromaniacs have urges to burn shit. But there are no Thieving People (not counting niggers here) and there are no Fire People. Likewise there are no gay people.

I'm glad you've admitted you have a problem. Just don't tell us you're some different sort of human who has some right to engage in harmful & disordered behavior; you're not.

>>131443159
Officially story, a truck full of fertiliser

>>131443808
mate look at it. Car bombings in baghdad dont do that. fuckin hell

>>131444002
I know. That's why there are almost as much conspiracy stories about it as 911

>>131427036
>arguing over the government being able to force you to provide service for your money

So can businesses lobby for a law to force people to provide money for their service? So that if I don't want a gay bakery to bake my wedding cake, can the government force me to use the gay bakery?

>>131444231
This people believe that is about "gay rights" LOL!

Is about get every single individual right away, one by one.
I'm an atheist, yesterday I had to go to a church for family reasons and I did not preayed nor said a thing.
No one bothered me, some mean looks yeh, but nothing more. I could went out at any time if I pleased.

But this people would want all churchers burned before facing some discomfort.

>>131435635
>pro union
Eat shit you entitled fucking fag leach

>>131444766
*leech

>>131432647
>or you to operate as a business open to the -PUBLIC-, key word, in this country, you have to follow the example of the government.

No you don't. They are actually arguing the fourteen amendment as being in their favor. Get your facts from legal sources instead of Tumblr.

>>131427036
>With Based Gorsuch on the panel now, does religious freedom have a chance?
It does. Here's the problem: if SCOTUS uphold the natural right of bakers to tell anyone to fuck off for any reason, libtards will just violate the law and destroy anyone who opposed their agenda via violence, arson, or whatever.

The problem is that everyone continues to pretend libtards should be allowed to live in our nations.

>>131435635
>democrat

get the fuck outa here trannyboy

I want it to be legal to tell kike dykes to fuck off

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>>131443641
I tried women. They're the problem. It's just different wiring and chemical attraction.

And you have no business in what I choose to engage if you are not involved in that activity. I didn't demand special treatment. I work for what I want. This is America and my rights will not be infringed to make your feefees comfortable.

Fucking statist.

>>131445434

wtf I love gays now

>>131445434
That reddit spacing is a violation of the NAP

>>131428331
Can someone ban this guy already? This faggot has a 4chan gold account and spams for this discord every other thread, and I'm getting sick and tired of it.

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>>131444981
They are not arguing the fourteenth amendment in this case since a state law, Colorado's law against sexual orientation discrimination, is directly applicable.

>>131445434
<3

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>>131445592
It's a habit from writing emails all day. But I can only offer bp for reparations as my other assets are investments

>>131434338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4&app=desktop

>>131432647
you cant force me to work for you you stupid piece of shit

this is called slavery

>>131435931
I agree with this. The Christian lady who worked in the county courthouse HAS to abide by the county law and sign the gay marriage certificates. A private artist shouldn't have to do an art project they disagree with. If so then I'm becoming a Hindu and getting a Jewish owned bakery to bake me a swastika cake. They certainly wouldn't wanna discriminate against a Hindu right?

For those spouting the "all men are created equal" BS look up Jared Taylor's piece of it. On mobile so no link

Land of the free but you better bake a fruit cake or we'll bake you in gitmo lmao

>>131445012
The worse they get the more welcomed the RWDS will be.

>>131437266
You are completely wrong. They agreed to sell everything on the shelf, ready made to all those customers. They never agreed to enter into a contract for a custom job for anything anyone wants them to do. You cannot force them to produce something against their will.
You people simply do not understand the nature of creative work, contract work, vs selling a McDonald's hamburger.

>>131427036
after this administration is done with the gays ,they would not be in a mood to order, or eat cake