>atheists think this unironically Evolution is the most ridiculous

>>131412895
>not this again
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS BAIT.

>>131413007
>reeee
Fuck off, commie

>>131413007
>prove me wrong

bruh we dont need to, science already did that

>>131413227
(((science))) also tells you that homosexuality is healthy and normal, but we all know that's a fucking lie.

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>>131412895
Liberals are ignorant, they reject common sense, they've been indoctrinated by the media and blindly follow whatever the media tells them, just like how a she blindly walks into the slaughter, all it would take is the sheep to step to the right to be saved, the liberal needs to accept common sense, step away from the TV and educate yourself. The bible is history it's not a fairy tale, it's a fact everything in it is true

B8 harder

>>131413351
(((Scientists))) also say there's more than two genders

>>131413625
This isn't bait, evolution has no logic behind it

>>131413710
Yet religion does?

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According to liberals this fish didn't evolve for 66 million years

>>131413761
Yes it does, because it's not false man made doctrine it's the word of God.

>>131413710
You can literally witness evolution take place though? Get some fruit flies in a jar, put a blacklight over them and within a few days the new broods will have evolved to survive under the blacklight with iridescent exoskele's.

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>>131413227
this pic related

Look at all the government funded, destructive industries atheism gave rise to.
Psychology/Psychiatry
War Industry
Race Baiting
Eugenics
Teachers Unions
PBS

The list goes on and on. Virtually every government funded, crappy idea comes from atheists. But they blame it all on Jesus. When will governments stop funding the atheistic religions and industries? Aren't we supposed to have separation of church and state?

>>131414010
yeah, because some insects adapting to their environment is the same thing as everything coming from a puddle of mud.

try harder

>>131414010
>white guy goes in the sun
>skin gets darker
>adapts to the stronger sun in the summer months
Wow white man evolved!

>>131412895
>Christains think this unironically

Creationism is the most ridiculous idea. You expect me to believe that life began when a magic man in the sky shouted some nonsense about animals then created every living organism, whether it be a whale or an insect

>>131414170

>that picture

Only 1.5% of the human genome even codes for proteins.

Lmao at u r freshman level of biology knowledge.

>>131413761
It does.
There is definite good, there is definite evil.
Everything is self evident.
God is everything
God IS watching you

Religion is the consequence of God's proven existence.

>>131414659
You expect me to believe that life began when nothing existed, and there was an explosion, and the earth was a molten rock, that somehow got wet, and then trees started to grow, and bacteria from the water which appeared suddenly over millions of years became the animals of the earth, except the hundreds of species that didn't evolve in 65 million years because they were perfectly adapted to their environment, even though th temperature of the earth back then was supposedly double ours today, yet atheist say temperatures rising even 1 degree is fatal to our environment?

>>131414659
Creationism is the only idea.

Atheism has been falsified as a cult based around a concept of "nothing" you worship like God.

Life? Creation? Everything? Came from no where for no reason? You worship nothing according to Atheism. This idea is false, and your religion is dead and buried.

>>131414659
>magic man in the sky

that's a deliberate misnomer. downplaying the role of the Creator of the Universe doesn't win arguments.

>shouted some nonsense about animals then created every living organism, whether it be a whale or an insect

let me get this straight, you think mud turned into bacteria turned into fish into land animals, etc. but find the idea of the diversity of life being created to be unrealistic?

>>131415032

A leaf who is not a fucking leaf , this is it i am convinced god is real

>>131414988
>Religion is the consequence of God's proven existence
Except God is only proven via the Bible. No where else. GG faggot.

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>A bunch of retards on a mongolian throat singing symposium think they've uncovered the major "flaws" in the cornerstone of modern biology
>they think they can upend 200 years of contributions from multiple scientific disciplines with a funny MS Paint drawing

o i am laffan

>>131412895

Where does God come from?

>>131415346
This is not true proof is all around us according the bible

>For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

>>131415346
Infinite, eternity, omnipresence are all PROVEN concepts.

If thought is energy, then thought is also ETERNAL and has existed BEFORE life.

>>131415346
>what is the cosmological argument

try harder

>>131413351
Social science, which looks at homosexuality, is not a science.
And citing something unrelated being wrong or faulty as a means to dismiss an argument or discussion of a completely unrelated topic is a fallacious form of argumentation.

>>131415598
>This is not true proof is all around us according the bible
>Proof
>According to the Bible

Did you not even read what I said?

>>131415510
time and space are connected. meaning, time began when space began.

Since God created time and space, it therefore follows that He isn't restrained by time and is therefore eternal.

If anything, all plants, animals and humans are devolving back to their primeval roots. The atavism is real.

>>131415797
Nice word games. But you still haven't proven God's existence.
Top tip: you don't prove shit with word games.

>>131415640
>unironically believing debunked talking points
Its a stupid argument which presumes a maker which makes itself. Any idiot with half a brain can see the problem with that arguement.

>>131415767
you ignored the argument because it's in a book you don't like

we can see right through your deception as easily as you craft it. God sees it and will judge it.

>>131415927
It's proven.

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>>131412895
>Evolution is the most ridiculous theory
This theory is not only backed up with evidence, but it's also very logical.
I'm so you are a retarded religioncuck.

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>>131415983
>God sees it and will judge it.
Stop it, you're scaring me

>God tells Noah to build a boat
>Two of each animal
>Floods Earth

Christians are you expecting me to believe that every living thing on Earth is a product of incest? I know all you faggots are inbred, but that doesn't mean everything else is.

>>131415767
Psalm 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."

Open your eyes man. Look at the universe. Look at the unimaginable vastness of space, the billions of galaxies stretched across. For all we know now, there are trillions of galaxies, or quadrillions, or whatever other inconceivable quantity.

you should invest in a telescope if you haven't already.

>>131415797
But where did God come from? God cannot come from nothing.

>>131416120
it's wrong. your evidence is predicated on "nothing" which has been thoroughly debunked as false.

Thought does not come from nothing. It is eternal
Morality does not come from nothing. It is eternal.
God IS watching.

>>131416269
God is eternal.

>>131416234
>product of incest

newsflash retard, evolution implies that very thing.

>>131415927
>you don't prove shit with word games.

Is this bait? Do you even know what words are? Logical arguments are just "word games" now according to retarded atheists I guess

>>131413227
They don't know how life started at all you mong

>>131416267
All that vastness, and yet we are the only life in it. K bud.

>>131416333
That doesn't say anything about where God came from.
God either came from nothing or from something. Since God cannot come from nothing, where did God come from?

>>131414231
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Wow, good laugh m8

>>131416382
It's because they've been weilding their fairy tale of "nothing" forever, and no one has bothered to squash it.

It's over. Atheism is a dead religion.

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>>131416448
You don't know what eternity means?

>>131416400
I didn't say that. For all I know, we could be alone. So far we haven't found evidence of alien life, and perhaps never will. But if there is I'd be among the first to be excited about it.

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I respect religious people, christians particularly, but evolution is a fact you fucking retard. Pic related.

>>131416536
Everything must come from something. Or not, in which case it came from nothing. Being eternal has no impact on that fact. Are you saying God did not come from anything?

Why do people bait here instead of Reddit or something

>>131416269
is, was, and always will be

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>>131416378
>Evolution implies incest
You just blow in from Stupid Town?

>>131416639
>these things look similar so therefore one came from the other

>>131413227
Marxist Science said this. Jew Science said this. This does not make it true. Anyone who studies evolution deep enough knows it falls apart eventually. Many of their claims got called fact long before they were proven. Even their proof proves nothing. Dating techniques are easily debunked. Dating and ice layers are easily debunked. Almost everything can be easily debunked.

>>131412895
Sage this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vehd7eDlS7o

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>>131416448
>Since God cannot come from nothing,
precisely

the laws of conservation of energy states energy can't be created or destroyed. God cannot be created. He always existed.

This is the fundamental LIE of Atheism. They posit a "starting" point for the "universe" because it invents the POISONOUS CULT OF NOTHING as a consequence.

I have demonstrated "nothing" as a pure jewish fabrication. The only alternative is an eternal and loving God.

You are HIDING the existence of GOD- NO MORE.

>>131416400
Are you implying we aren't? That's what literally 100% of the evidence we have points to, we have never witnessed anything else. Guess you just believe what ever you feel like based on faith regardless of what the evidence shows though, k.

>>131416590
You didn't say that, but Christianity does. And yes, we have found traces of life on Mars.

>>131416713
>is, was, and always will be
But from where did God come? If he came from no where, that is like saying God came from nothing.

Why is this question so hard to answer?

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>>131416686
>Everything must come from something.
I win.

>>131412895
>muh dusty book written 2000 years ago by sandniggers is proof

>Evolution is a ridiculous theory

Do you think you're the same as niggers?
GTFO with that bullshit christcucks

>>131416895
That doesn't answer where God came from.

>>131416639
This.

Btw. this "muh theory" thing is annoying, you people clearly do not know the difference between theory (i.e. explain why something happens & how -> models + data + years of reproducing & testing) & theory (i.e. I think He did it)

>>131415244
I was mocking OPs idiotic argument by making an equally idiotic reply

>>131416686
>Being eternal has no impact on that fact.

Yes it does, by definition. That's literally what eternal means. Jesus Christ dude is English not your first language?

>>131412895
I believe in evolution, but I admit the adaptation and evolution from lizard to bird is mind blowing.
How does a creature go from having front limbs to wings? There had to have been a lot of disadvantages to adapting from useless webbed front limbs, and the trial and error of, I'm guessing climbing trees and jumping out to learn to fly.

>>131415032
A good leaf is hard to find

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>>131416745
>Haha they can't be related just because they look alike
>Haha I don't care about the DNA results that show their relation haha
>Haha that's not a transition fossil
>My sky dad JESUS told me that's not real
>Hold one sec Atheist scum
>I need to go circumcise my adult son

>>131416845
>Christianity does.

proof?

>yes, we have found traces of life on Mars.

if you're referring to the Viking experiment, nothing conclusive was found. one test showed evidence of metabolism, but another found no organic material. The best we could say about this is "maybe"

but that's beyond the point. you're shifting the goalposts into the existence of aliens, which is not very related to the original discussion.

>>131417081
It's not. If you can't answer where God came from, then that means that God came from nothing. That is the only logical answer.

>>131413351
Psychology and psychiatry are not science.

>American education

>>131416950
The first chapters of the bible were written by Moses who lived almost 4,000 years ago

>>131417171
>they can't be related

i never said that. We all share the same Creator, so it would make sense that we'd have things in common. that doesn't imply that we evolved from each other.

>>131416269
Something had to have come from nothing. There must be something of pure actuality to bring matter into existence in the first place. Denying this fact means that you don't believe reality could exist at all.

I never knew so many people in this board don't believe in evolution. They have to be shilling right? God is not real and stop trying to justify it by bringing up the Bible because it is full of nonsense and contrary information. Noahs ark is just a copy of an old story of Galgamesh. Jesus is a copy of Horus. The bible is just a combination of old mythos. And dating techniques are accurate. You fuckwats are the ones who want to teach creationism at school, fuck off

>>131417227
e·ter·nal
əˈtərn(ə)l/Submit
adjective
lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.

>without end or beginning

It's been answered. Brush up on your English and it will make more sense

>>131415639
Thought is energy but energy isn't thought. Go back to first grade logic class.

>>131417424
>from each other.
No one is implying that fucktard.

>>131417424
If by same creator you mean RNA sure

>>131417483
Exactly. So if God came from nothing, how do we know that other things also did not come from nothing?

>>131416234
>two of each animal
>that somehow means every animal on board was related

>>131417491
So you're saying God came from nothing?

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>>131417008
From his penis.

>>131417581
He didn't "come" see definition of eternal here >>131417491

Eternal means no beginning. There was no before and there was no "coming" or "making"

>>131417014
>not knowing what a scientific theory is
You might as well kill yourself

Uneducated idiot. If your inferior intelligence isn't able to understand something it doesn't mean it's not true. I bet you dont't understand a lot of physics equations or concepts from chemistry and biology or mathematical theories yet you accept them. Why? Beacuse Bible (or whatever fucking book you pray to) doesn't say anything abou them. If you believe scientists on those thopics, why not on evolution? But I think you are a troll, so whatever..

>>131413535
>human walking on water, curing disease by touch, reattaching body parts after they've been sliced off
>everything in it is true

Pick one

>>131417766
Everything must come from somewhere. Where did God come from?

>>131417581
god=supernatural=eternal
other things = natural =not eternal

Why can't Christians answer where God came from?

>>131417766
God suddenly violates all rules of the universe and the only evidence you have is a book written by delusional sandniggers and one of many sandniggers claiming to be a messiah
Seems very likely indeed

>>131417705
Alright dude, people actually engaged you and tried to help you understand, but now you're being deliberately retarded.

I just showed you what eternal means. The literal definition states "no beginning". This is not opinion, you are objectively wrong by definition

>>131413846
>word of god
>written by man

What's it like being this indoctrinated?

>>131417887
But where did the supernatural eternal God come from?

>>131417887
Why is god an exception to everything else?

>>131412895
>guaranteed replies

>>131417887
Supernatural.

Like ghosts, demons, unicorns and all those other real things, right dude?

>>131416866
Read what he's saying

God never "came" there was no transition to existence he was always here therefore he was not created

>>131417802
> I bet you dont't understand a lot of physics equations or concepts from chemistry and biology or mathematical theories yet you accept them.

I'm an engineering major, so actually I do.

>If you believe scientists on those thopics, why not on evolution?

by that logic, we should believe (((scientists))) when they tell us that transgenderism is healthy and normal.

>>131414292
Its because thats what has happened over the course of a millenia. Not just a few days. Its not like pokemon whereit happens instantly. Get your head out of your ass and catch up with the rest of us please.

>>131417916
God gave his word, and man wrote it down, how hard is it to understand this concept?

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>>131416866
>LARPing as not BTFO
You're as dead as Atheism.

I got you to admit nothing doesn't exist. I got you to admit eternity exists. I got you to admit everything must rise from some thing. That there is no such thing as a time before things. I got you. It's over. God IS. REAL.

>>131416686
>Everything must come from something
>>131417227
>came from nothing

OOPS stay BTFO

>>131418035
He has a son. He must have came. From his penis, many times. He did alot of creating after all.

>>131418035
>no transition to existence
But that would mean that it never came into existence. Everything that exists must have a beginning and come from somewhere.

>>131418137
>It's over. God IS. REAL.
But where did God come from?

>>131417911
>God suddenly violates all rules of the universe

He created the laws of the universe, he exists outside them. A computer programmer isn't violating a program he wrote by acting in ways his program couldn't handle in his real life outside of the program

>only evidence is the bible
It's only atheists claiming the bible is the evidence of god. I've never once witnesses a religious person claim that.

It's fine if you're not religious anon, you don't have to be and I know I'll never convince you. But your arguments are shit, if you want to argue against religion a god at least try to make a legitamite coherent argument

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>>131418137
>Atheism is dead

Christians can't answer where God came from. Must've came from nothing then.

>>131418108
>Its because thats what has happened over the course of a millenia.

okay, so surely then you'd acknowledge that evolution is at best an untestable theory. If it takes that long, then we haven't had time to observe it happen yet.

scientific method requires observation. therefore evolution doesn't meet the threshold.

>>131418237
He is eternal

Stay BTFO thoughtlet. We live in an eternal world where you get BTFO eternally.

>>131417928

He is without time and not created he has always been try thinking about being dead forever but then the opposite

>>131414659

No, sadly I do not expect you to believe the truth. I hope one day you do, though.

>>131415244
If some, all powerful being created us, then who created that and gave it the means to do so?

Its more logical to think that we started as simple beings, and were then enlightened, or upliftes

>>131418385
I get that he is eternal. But where did the eternal God come from?

>>131418169
>everything that exists must come from somewhere and have a beginning

And you know that how? Even (((science))) says the universe is most likely infinite, you are very ignorant to make a statement like that and cery dumb for not being able to understand the concept of infinity

>>131417581
>everything must come from something
>things cant simply always exist

>>131412895
Christian general >>131416340

>>131414170
If this picture was at ALL accurate, CRISPR wouldn't be a thing. But it is. Evolution is real. You can see it taking place right now in Europe. Natural and artificial selection is slowly pushing the white race there to extinction and replacing them with a dumber, more aggressive (physically and sexually) brown race. The same is also happening in America.

>>131418359
We keep telling you the truth, that God is an eternal being, and you keep asking us who made Him and where He came from.

We keep telling you the truth. He is an eternal spirit being.

>>131418481
I don't care about science. Christians can't even answer where God came from.

>>131418000

demons are real maybe there is a planet with unicorns who knows

>>131418463
>>131418560
>>131418471

>>131417705
bruhhh you are fucking dense. even if you dont believe the bible, just accept that an eternal being is more logical then a big bang out of nothing.

>>131418560
Everything must come from something. You can't even say where God came from.

>>131418574
>>131418560

>>131417857
I just showed you the definition of eternal. It states in the literal definition that eternal means it did not start and did not "come from somewhere", it always was.

If you don't believe there can exist the concept of eternal, then that is a legitamite stance and it should be phrased like "I don't believe eternal exists. It cannot be eternal". That is a legitamite stance. What you're doing however is ignoring what that word means and using it incorrectly and then halting to discussion by refusing to move on from your point which was already countered.

Apply yourself

>>131418481
>Infinite
>Eternal
>Same thing
GTFO what? The universe will end, and be reborn. Watch some fucking Lexx.

>>131418655
I smell Malaysian demon possessed muslim shitposter.

Smells like fire and brimstone.

>>131418471
oh sweetie, take your meds. eternal does not have a beginning. it's in The Word. It's what your God, scientists say.

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There's God and there's Nature , that's the way i see it.

>>131418636
But where did the eternal being come from? Did it came from nothing then too?

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Wait, do people in this thread unironically believe things as dumb as the flood and Noah's ark?

>>131415598
Youre still quoting the bible as proof. To this end, Canan gods are all real as well. Since that's where the Jews got there god, after combining him with the god El to fit their needs. Its all a man mad concept to subdue and control humans into what they think we should be doing.

>>131418689
Sounds like eternity to me.

Stay BTFO

Eternally

>>131418725
He doesn't like taking his meds. They make him feel dull. So he doesn't take them, and spergs out his schizophrenia on us.

>>131418655
Silly goy logic only works when it's in our favor, ignore it.

>>131413351
Homosexuality is fine as long as it stays private and is not discraiminated against, and we actually cut down on degeneracy. A wee bit of private buttsex never hurt a living soul.

Have you see the Tokyo pride parades? Definetly how gays should be have, not those fucking American fuck festivals

>>131418773
You're still running away from arguments in the Bible. Telling.

Does it scare you?

>>131418471
This is why the word "eternal" is used genius

>>131418689
Just because its reborn doesnt mean it stops existing and being reborn forever

>>131418744
Things that happened are dumb due to your ignorance? Is that how you think the world works? That you're in charge?

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>>131418735
are you not into words? an eternal 4 dimensional being out of time was never not there. it is existence itself. this is entry level philosophy.

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>>131418744
makes more sense than lightning striking mud making life.

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>>131418744
>Are the religious stupid and gullible, asks the Nazi
M8... Come on...

>>131418735
It's beyond logic , you are forced to humble yourself before the Lord. This is not a bad thing , you are not being cucked. Think of him as your dad.

>>131415797
You sound like Xemnas. Time is a man made contruct. The only thing that has existed, and will continue to exist are the laws of physics. Which continuously disproves God/YHWY/El/whatever you wanna call it.

Christians keep failing to explain where God came from.

>>131418076
You missed the point. You don't understand all of them, that's for sure. But you accept them and that's ok, why wouldn't you. I'm studying engineering too. Isn't it pretty cool how it all works? I bet you've never seen F=ma and thought "naaah that's (((scientists)))". As for the transgenderism and such...idk I'm quite libertarian and I'd let people do whatever they want with their dicks and vaginas, but I've also never heard anyone from the field of of biology/medicine/whatever's relevant say there are more than 2 genders. Only quasi-scientists (e.g. sociology, politology...) can claim that.

>>131418773
YHWH has one begotten son, Christ Jesus.

El has children Ba'al, Molech and Asheroth.

If you can't tell them apart, you'll be spending eternity with Molech.

>>131418829
found the homo.

>>131418982
>Think of him as your dad
Maybe he's a nigger, hence the atheism.

>>131418902
kek

>>131418963
That's a gnarly looking "tank".

>>131415983
He ignored it because its only ONE source.

>>131418360
>scientific method requires observation
No, it requires undeniable logical facts.

So unless you have something to debunk genetics, go back reading your holy booklet

>>131419016
>Time is a man made contruct.

no, time is very real. the methods we use to measure it are manmade, sure.

>>131419021
Stupid niggers like you keep failing to even grasp simple things like eternity and infinity

Atheism is so 2006. It's been kicked to the curb by everyone.

Atheists just can't get over the fact that they lost the culture war.

Let me take you under 18s back to the year of 2006:
>atheism on the rise on the internet with their voices getting more heard everyday
>atheist leaders like Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens are respected voices in the community
>r/atheism is one of the top boards on bleddit
>corporate stores trying to push things like "Happy Holidays" and having "Holiday Trees"

Cut to today:
>Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchen (may he RIP) viewed as complete psychos for their insane political/social views
>r/atheism moved to the basement of bleddit because it was embarrassing euphoric garbage
>things like "Reason Rally" draw less than a Hitler impersonator at a bar mitvah
>atheist communities tear themselves apart over things like elevator gate (giving rise to New Atheism, and Atheism+, which are less successful than just regular Atheism)
>constant rape and sexual assault allegations at atheist conventions (even atheist leaders like Lawrence Krauss are accused...by other atheist leaders)
>"Happy Holidays" and "Holiday Trees" are a distant memory
>liberal atheists in Britain crushed by Brexit

And quite frankly all this bad stuff wasn't even needed. All it would have took was one euphoric quote and a couple of fedora pictures. Christianity is still kicking 2000 years later, and atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora. Sad

>>131412895
I dont expect you to understand fluid mechanics either but that doesnt make them bullshit, my good brainlet

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>>131418888
>Things that happened
Sure thing, buddy. Hey, why don't you check this out and then get back to me
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

>>131418951
>TWO of every animal fitting on a 450ft long boat surviving for 40 days and 40 nights while being tended to by 8 people enduring flood waters that crested the heights of mount Everest
>Logical and or feasible

So every animal and human is the product of incest? Sounds good my dude

one can argue that God is the universe and its soul. God is reason and truth. God Is the animated force in everything that is and can be. He can not be individuated. Prair is appealing to God to change the laws of the universe by sending little messages in the sky. It does not work that way. We can understand God by examening the universe and bow down to the esscense of it. By examening fossils we know for a fact some form of evolution is certainly real.

>>131419021
Atheists don't know what the word eternal means

>>131418801
>We are made in gods image
>Faggots, trannies, weebs, landwhales, niggers, likes, chinks etc
>Forgives all sins so heaven is full of scum
Man I ain't worshiping that piece of shit. Norse Gods sound far superior.

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>>131412895
omfg, OP, you are retard. Nobody actually knows how first cells got developed, there are bunch of theories, even the one called panspermia that says live came to earth with meteors hitting earth, it might be pretty rational because on early earth surface water actually couldn't exist and the main source of it might come from space with meteors bringing life as well. Evolution theory explains how one species evolved to other by specific criteria dictated by the environment.

>>131419031
> I bet you've never seen F=ma and thought "naaah that's (((scientists)))".

you're right, because F=ma is a fact that anyone can demonstrate. The same cannot be said of evolution. One cannot test/observe that.

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>>131419016
>laws of physics disprove the concept of a God
>this is your mind on Bill Nye tier (((atheism)))

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>>131417424
This is irony, right?
Are christian really uneducated or is just a meme?

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>>131412895
That's a nice bird. Mind if I save this picture? I'll trade you a dog.

>>131416639
>dinosaurs evolved wings because 'reasons'
you're stupid

>>131419056
When you are alone , look up and talk to him , try to listen. And yes , you do have to look up , there is a hierarchy. A divine order of things.

You're not above God , dude.

>>131417746
Bahahahaha.

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>>131419122
Head over to /sg/ and watch some jewtube.

>>131419294
No need. I'll well aware of the satanic nature of talkorigins, and its obsession with attempting to counter everything Answers in Genesis writes with their own lies. What people like you don't understand is that lies do not harm the truth; they only harm the fools who believe the lies.

Atheists believe science happened.

Christians believe a magical Optimus Prime in the sky farted and in the fart cloud life emerged and then Optimus sent his son, Inspector Gadget (who is also him but not him) to Earth to show mankind the way. Also Inspector Gadget had a cute harem of disciples.

>>131415763

thank you, there is a big difference between hard sciences and BS social sciences.

Christians apparently believe God came from nothing.

>>131419342
Most people will end up in hell, you included, with the very people you hate.

Great planning.

>>131419167
>a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

>SYSTEMATIC OBSERVATION
>TESTING

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>>131419016
Except all your laws of physics didn't even make sense at the moment of the big bang or before it

>>131415346
Citing scripture isn't even "allowed" in debates, as it holds no platform on its own. Near all debates used in proving existence are accepted concepts, not text

>>131419360
All wise people know how the universe began; it's only you fools who look for "natural" answers.

Protip: there are no "natural" answers that do not include God as the creator of the universe.

>>131414500
Why is it always the leaf! Gas the leafs!

>>131419408
That an artist has a style? This is news to you? Where do you live?

>>131418035
But then who or what gave god the power to create everything else? Humans are in no way perfect, and if we're created in His image, then shouldn't we be perfect and also live forever?

>>131415763
This
Social (((sciences))) have just hijacked the term, they dont even use the scientific method
Hell, ask a psychologist what are the steps of the scientific method are and he will crap his(more likely her) pants

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>>131419411
that's a nice ass

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>>131419521
Just wondering, could you maybe point out some of the "lies" on that page I linked to you? Not everything on the "Problems with a Global Flood" page is scientifically sourced. Some of it is simply inferred from common understanding or logic.

>Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
>Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
>Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
>Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Are these lies?

>>131419622
It does, actually, as it is a self-proving divinely inspired text.

Atheists ban it in debate for the same reason a swordsman would ban guns for a duel.

>>131419235
>Christianity is still kicking 2000 years later, and atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora. Sad

that gave me a hearty chuckle, thank you

>>131419342
God forgives, that's why he won't punish us to eternal damnation in Hell like the Catholic Churches false teachings preach. We have eternity in heaven, or we die a second death. That's it

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>>131419734
Please don't sexualize my dog.

>>131416191

Nothing to be scared of. Only one who can see the total picture of existence can judge it. If we judge, we do so from a very limited perspective, and so what we judge is not what there is, but what we perceive to be. Our sense of reality is only a concept based on the small amount of information our minds can receive and hold. What you're judging then is only an idea that you yourself created. You can't judge reality because you can't see it.

>>131419768
It's all lies. 100%. talkorigins is an atheist hit piece on Answers in Genesis because AIG was making too many inroads with disillusioned evolutionists.

>>131415927
>can't win with word games
>what is logical debates
Must be liberal since logical is inapplicable to all their "debates" that disagree with their beliefs

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>>131419638
'Muricans, the nation where 60% of them thinks Sun isn't a star

>>131419706
Created in his image does not mean we are exact copies of god

You're still not understanding he was not created

>>131419342
>We are made in god's image

According to whom? where did that come from?

>Forgives all sins so heaven is full of scum

Only those worthy of getting into heaven get into heaven , so no.

>Man I ain't worshiping that piece of shit. Norse Gods sound far superior.

The Norse Gods are childish egomaniacs , give me a break.

>>131413535
KEK this is a new one!

>>131419821
Only 144,000 people are getting in...

It's like when you look at movies and games and realize only 1% of them are good.

>>131419551
>Atheists believe science happened.

I know you're trolling but I'm still going to engage you because you're already wrong and things like this need to be corrected.

Science is a man made system used to observe and explain the universe around us. Science doesn't "happen" or do anything. Gravity exists. Humans eventually used science to explain gravity and to map it out and understand it, but science didn't create gravity. Gravity existed before science, and it exists independently of science.

Be an atheist all you want but please realize how dumb you are when you pretend there's some force called science and that it's somehow exclusive to atheists

The longer I stay on here the harder and harder it gets to determine what is satire and what isn't.

>>131415244
>let me get this straight, you think mud turned into bacteria turned into fish into land animals, etc. but find the idea of the diversity of life being created to be unrealistic?

Yup! Because one has a logical, empirically provable and eternally reproducible explanation behind it and the other is some stuff that some guys wrote in an iron age book.

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>>131419551
>thinking evolution is based on science
the 'evidence' for evolution is flimsy, every scientists admits

>>131419494
Nice box you got there Ahmed.

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>>131419895
So, all of it? Even the part about Koala's eating eucalyptus leaves? The part about sloths and penguins being slow to travel on land? That's lies?

Is there some medication you haven't taken today?

>>131419768
First of all, at the time of the Flood, Pangea existed. So there are no island problems.

Second of all, God Himself collected all the animals in the face of pending catastrophe, not Noah. If you've ever seen animals before a catastrophe, they do nothing except escape.

Third of all, the ark was a 100 year project, not a lark. There was plenty of time to prepare. And you saying koalas 4600 years ago only ate eucalyptus IS A REFUTATION OF YOUR STANCE ON EVOLUTION, if you were honest enough to confront your own idiocies.

Before the Flood, nothing ate meat, so no, nothing would have been eating each other.

Your normalcy bias and naturalistic assumption that the world is always how the world is now is keeping you from making wiser decisions than to believe talkorigins.

>>131419768
the old testament is full off made up mythical shit. God is not even moral in the story´s. He just kills people and tells you to fear him

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>Dude, you believe some all powerful being created everything? What a retard! Everyone knows everything came from nothing via the big bang.

Atheists are hypocrites

>>131419919
The sun is not "just a star", and its uniqueness provides you with what you need to live.

Maybe say thanks to the guy who made it.

>>131419706

God IS Life.

implying we aren't some superior life forms simulation #213

durr hburr technology is bad fire is scary and thomas edison was a witch

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>131420073
>Yup! Because one has a logical, empirically provable and eternally reproducible explanation behind it

A legitamitely, for your sake, hope you don't think evolution fits that description. Evolutionary biologists would facepalm if they heard you describe it like that.

>>131420507
>Strawman, Strawman, and another Strawman
wow so intellectual, try harder

>>131420356
hi shareblue

>>131415927
Stop reading Dawkins and start reading some St Aquinas and maybe u will understand

>>131419821
Um, the second death is an eternity in the lake of fire.

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>>131418744
Yes people in this thread are average americans

>>131420073
Never happened, never been observed, proven impossible.

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>>131420507
But i don't think that though.

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>>131420073
No I destroyed the foundation upon which atheism rests. It supposes a "nothing" exists

It doesn't. Atheism is a sad religion for CIA niggers

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>>131420168
>First of all, at the time of the Flood, Pangea existed. So there are no island problems.
Oh GOOD! You accept continental drift theory! Did you know continental drift is a process that takes MILLIONS of years, and Pangea, the super continent, existed 335 millions of years ago? Moses isn't 335 million years old, is he?

>Second of all, God Himself collected all the animals in the face of pending catastrophe, not Noah. If you've ever seen animals before a catastrophe, they do nothing except escape.
Did he? Sounds like the animals all just came to him. Hmmm. And did they bring food with them? Two tiny little koala's brought 40 days and 40 nights worth of food with them across "pangea"?
http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-20.htm
>And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.

>Third of all, the ark was a 100 year project, not a lark. There was plenty of time to prepare. And you saying koalas 4600 years ago only ate eucalyptus IS A REFUTATION OF YOUR STANCE ON EVOLUTION, if you were honest enough to confront your own idiocies.
Interesting, considering the longest WOODEN boats today can't even safely crest 300ft across without a full crew and modern ship building techniques. Goodness, Mr. Noah must have been an INCREDIBLE ship builder with knowledge from the future.

>Before the Flood, nothing ate meat, so no, nothing would have been eating each other.
Wat

>Your normalcy bias and naturalistic assumption that the world is always how the world is now is keeping you from making wiser decisions than to believe talkorigins.
Awesome. I think we're done here. I gotta go to work, so I assume I'll be seeing your name in scientific journals?

>>131412895
No you're supposed to believe life began when DOG struck a mud puddle AND a rib

>>131420770
Nice socket depth you have there kid.

>>131412895
>nature
>more ridiculous than magical human from desert
pick one

>>131420836
Atheism is the claim that no infinitely knowledgeable being exists.

In order to know that no infinitely knowledgeable being exists, one would necessarily need to be infinitely knowledgeable.

Hence atheism is self-refuting. Hell, most atheists haven't even looked for God off-planet, much less interdimensionally.

Let's face it guys, God was a 7 year old alien boy and we were his shiny new ant farm. He has moved on to bigger and better things after a while, and we are slowly dying in our terrarium.

>>131420242
>The Big BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
Thoughtlets

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>>131421078
>And we're the silly ones.

>>131420876
The world broke apart during the lifetime of one man, Peleg, after the Flood, so no, your "millions of years" of nonsense is just nonsense. Massive catastrophic changes are made to the earth, not small incremental changes over millions of years.

So you're wrong again. Get used to it.

Which his harder: speaking the universe into existence, or gathering the animals to preserve them on the ark? Since He did the more difficult task, the easier task should not be a problem for Him, now, should it.

The ark bobbed in the water; it didn't sail anywhere. "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" has answers to all of your idiotic doubts in it, and is available at Amazon.

From the Creation to after Noah disembarked, everything ate plants.

I must assume you are not productively employed, as you cannot think your way out of a wet paper bag. Something liberal, I assume?

>>131421078
Why do you want to deprive yourself of hope?

>>131417887
You're wrong, too.

Everything on earth is eternal. You cannot drink all the water. It is infinite.

>>131421274
You demonic piece of shit REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>131420193
>thinking an all powerful being follows a set rule of morals, which are human in creation as to what is and what isn't taboo in society, because feelings
This must fly over your head repetitively

>>131421365
Because there is no good left in this world.

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>>131421365
Gee , i wonder why.

>>131420193
So fear Him.

>>131421531
Why fixate on this world, then, and not plan your eternal residence in the afterlife?

>>131420689
I like Aquinas but his argument for a prime mova
is fundamentally flawed in that it works from empirical evidence (our observations of causality) to non-empirical suggestion (that there is a God). Since the conclusion is outside the boundaries of what we know and have observed, we cannot know if our presumptions from empirical evidence can extend beyond those boundaries, so they cannot support the conclusion, which must therefore be erroneous. This argument draws the distinction between empirical and non-empirical evidence. As it seems logically sound to postulate that the two cannot be reasonably combined, this is therefore a very compelling objection to Aquinas’ theorem. He just jumps to a biased conclusion. Even if you believe the prime mova is God it does not prove his words are in the bible.

>>131421078
LOL

>>131421531
A barren womb produces no children
A healthy womb produces children
ergo there is good in the world, and evil is destroyed.

your arguments are so terrible. You are a little thoughtlet.

>>131421620
The bible is self-proving, telling the story of the world from beginning to end, which is only known by God.

>>131421620
I don't know where you stand when you deny causality.

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>>131421416
You're right. I seem to have lost my animated version.

You used to be able to see Wojack eat sack in 3D space.

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>>131421304
Nigga if you bothered to read the talk origins link, it literally details why "a feasibility study" is incorrect. It DIRECTLY cites that fucking book. Jesus Christ public education has failed us.

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>>131420244
oh man, you got me

>>131421850
What makes you think citing it, refutes it?

>>131420990
>Atheism is the claim that no infinitely knowledgeable being exists.
No, relegion and God claims to be much more than only an infinit knowledgeable being

>>131421687
The children produced now cannot be raised in an effective manner to make them good and wholesome as in years past. The media will corrupt them. The people around you will stop you from disciplining them the way they need to be disciplined. The womb is a festering sack, breeding the end of our world.

>>131421900
The arguments can't survive on 4chan in the wild.

He has to troll you into accepting the lies of false authority

That's the goal of consensus cracking.

>>131412895
Someone should have paid more attention in science class.

Abiogenesis and Evolution are two different things, faggot.

>>131421982
>The people around you will stop you from disciplining them the way they need to be disciplined.
That's why people like you, are on borrowed time.

>>131421858
Now go look at all of the other things in the universe that had to be finely tuned so that you could jack off to anime.

The cosmological constant, for instance, could not vary more than 1 part in 10^-122 or life would be impossible.

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>>131421952
And atheism is a refutation of the existence of that being.

Sack up and have your own beliefs ffs.

>>131417811
>human walking on water, curing disease by touch, reattaching body parts after they've been sliced off
>human
Jesus is God, not "human".

>>131422150
Smacking a child will do no harm.

>2017
>there are still people who dont understand evolution and reject it in favor of a skydaddy

Can you really just not?

>>131422215
Jesus is as much God as though He were not man, and as much man as though He were not God. The hypostatic union of God and Man, the Son of God, and the Son of Man, our Savior, hero, and champion, Christ Jesus.

>>131421982
>The people around you will stop you from disciplining them the way they need to be disciplined.

Not if you live around people like yourself , what are you fucking stupid?

>>131422215
The trinity is false doctrine invented by the emperor Constantine in the 4th century at the council of Nicaea

>>131422274
Evolution has been killed with Atheism when "nothing" was falsified. It's a lie.

We are in a new era of philosophical thought.

It's pretty obvious to me that God is real , i dunno about you goys.

>>131419366
Lol. I have to end our lovely discussion here. It goes back to "just because you can't understand how scientists did it, doesn't mean they didn't". Try to educate yourself on evolution more, I bet you are not that stupid after all. If you are eng major, you can grasp a little biology.

>>131412895
>Believes an invisible man man just snapped his fingers and created the universe and the earth the way it is now.
>"I-I don't believe in magic"

>>131422215
God created Jesus to help with creation.

This is in the Bible, but it's been hidden in plain sight from you.

>>131422504
Evolution is dead. It's predicated on the existence of nothing, which is false.
Your religion is over.

>>131422418
It's in the bible.

John 1:1 says that the Word (Jesus) was with God and was God.
In John 10:30 Jesus said that He and the Father are one.
In John 14:9 He said that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father.
In Colossians 1:15 Paul wrote that Jesus is the (visible) image of the invisible God.
In Hebrews 1:3 Jesus is called the exact representation of God’s glory
In Hebrews 1:8 God Himself called Jesus God.
God’s Spirit is presumed to be one and the same with God just as your spirit is presumed to be one and the same with you. So if God and Jesus are one and the same, and God and His Spirit are one and the Same, then the three are one.

There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:5-6). Yet there are three persons presented as deity in Scripture: the Father (John 6:27; Colossians 1:3), the Son (John 1:1-3, 14; 8:24; 20:28-29; Romans 9:5; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12) and the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17; Acts 5:3-4; 2 Samuel 23:2-3; 2 Corinthians 3:18). Lastly, these three are presented as distinct persons (John 8:16-18; Luke 11:1; 3:21-22; Galatians 4:6). Thus from Scripture we learn that although there is one God, there are three distinct persons who are deity. So the Trinity is the biblical position to hold to once one examines what Scripture teaches.

>>131422569
It's self evident when you think about it.

Thought is energy. Thought gave rise to what we know.

>>131422569
>believes a puddle of mud assembled itself into complex living organisms
>"I-I don't believe in magic"

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Maybe God made evolution.

>>131422784
Looks Jewish to me.

>>131413227
it's called a theory because it's unproven dickhead
lmao
evolution requires belief

>>131422212
that is not an argument against atheism
lol you dont even know what the God is you are defending.

Evolution is certainly real and has been absolutely proven in many animals like horses.

>>131422504
Macro-Evolution is junk science. Not observed, not tested, not replicated, not possible, not predictive, nothing but faith based Scientism.

>>131422611
Nope.

Jesus created the universe, because Jesus is God, and there is only one God. Jesus is not a created being.

>first post isn't "evolution theory doesn't explain life's origins"
REEEEEE

>>131422684
This is in the bible too

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Mathew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Mark 1:12-13 And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Luke 4:1-2 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

I think it's beautiful either way.

>>131413351
Wrong.
Science proves that homosexuality is an undesirable, aberrant behavior that offers no individual or social benefits, and is largely detrimental to the individual and the species.

>>131422961
There's only one God, and He does not need me defending Him.

I just can't stand atheists who lack the balls to admit they have a belief about God, that He does not exist.

>>131418675
Isaiah 44:18 (KJV), https://www.bible.com/bible/1/ISA.44.kjv
"They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand".

We understand God is eternal but they can not see. Like you mentioned, they are " ignoring what that word means and using it incorrectly", according to their own narrow perception, and then "halting the discussion by refusing to move on."

>>131423098
You don't understand Jesus being tempted with Jesus being tempted.

It's obviously a nuance that surpasses you.

I'll see if I can clear it up for you. At no point was Jesus ever considering taking up the devil on any of his offers or challenges.

>>131412895
Bait, but it's still fun to reply.

You're explaining it in the simplest and non scientific terms possible.
You can make anything sound ridiculous if you don't explain it fully enough, especially if it involves complex science that has taken hundreds of years to develop.

>>131423098
Was Jesus fat before he did that 40 days thing? cause the average human dies if he dosen't eat for 3 weeks.

Or maybe Jesus was part alien , i'm starting to think that.

>>131412895
atheists always assume you don't understand evolution and that's why you don't believe it
how retarded can they be? lol
atheists are the most close-minded people. a guy in my church was one once, now he's a nice person. i believed in evolution too at one point, but now i know carbon dating is a lie, and now i believe in intelligent design.

watch Dr. Kent Hovind and get educated atheists

>>131418675
Curiously, by denying the eternal, one must admit to a beginning, and then the exact same problems reoccur. What is the uncaused cause? Who is the unmoved mover?

>>131421900
Because it refutes it many, many times. Why else would TO be citing it?

>>131423396
No, but he was a carpenter, and they tend to be pretty hardy. There is also an inference that at the end of the fast Jesus almost died, and required supernatual assistance.

When you go that long without food, and are suddenly starving, it's a sign you're going to die.

>>131412895
>Prove me wrong.
Read anything about science at all...

If you deny evolution you are denying gods work.
He created us and shaped us, which took millions of years and he is still perfecting us, you don't need to cling to demonstrable falsehoods to have faith.

>>131420006
Genesis 1:27
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

>>131423567
To lie about it, obviously. That's what they do, and they found you to be their target demo. People who love lies, and the liars who make them.

They refuted nothing. Nothing at all. It's like refuting the sun exists by citing a paper on a solar eclipse.

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>>131423594
Jesus was part alien though.

>>131423609
If you are asserting incremental evolution over millions of years, you are calling God a liar, and a worker of evil, and are therefore a blasphemous apostate guilty of the unpardonable sin.

>>131421797
No for me it is jumping to a biased non-empirical conclusion. But the debate if it is effectualy biased caused by millenials of indoctrination and education is the impasse we still have. This is why it cannot be proven there is no God or there is in fact a God. But it can also not be proven that this God is the Pumpkin God

Colossians 1:15

>>131423407
>atheists are the most close-minded people

Yeah, jesusfags are so open mind :3 This thread is a bait tho...

>>131423721
He was all alien, as though He were not man, and all man, as though He were not alien.

God and the angels are alien to the human race, but inter-dimensional aliens, not extra-terrestrial aliens. Remember, 1/3 of the angels lie.

>>131418118
If you really trust a man to write something down without making any changes to it in the process, you are monolingual. I'm a translator, I've read thousands of translations. 99.98% of them were horseshit.
Let's go ahead and assume that the book was ghost written by your god. You are still trusting
-All of the people he told it to, living hundreds of years apart
-The rabbis who decided which sections to put in and which to leave out
-And the Hebrew to English translator.
If you trust all of them, you are gullible.
>But they didn't make any important mistakes!
Google "list of contradictions in the bible". Or just read it cover to cover, same diff.
Also, when you meet your god in the afterlife, can you ask him why he destroyed universal language? It's prevented hundreds of millions of people from reading his book and caused me no end of agony.

>>131423716
It's clear you're not going to read the article, at all, or see how that piece of "work" is dealt with. Because it is. It's one of the largest pieces of creationist evidence they deal with.

Just keep plugging your ears, that'll make the flood real.

>>131423963
no one is going to read your deception.

your arguments can't stand here because they are false.

>>131419016
>the laws of physics. Which continuously disproves God/YHWY/El/whatever you wanna call it.
Science has not and never will, make claims about the existence of God.
Name even ONE thing which in any contradicts the Idea of a universe which is created by God.

Claiming such a thing is idiotic beyond belief. How could Physics even attempt to explain something which existed before the laws of physics themselves?
We still have no understanding about the big bang how could have any science made any claim about something which is doesn't understand.

You are also ignoring that a lot of the physicist, mathematicians etc. were devout Christians, even after they did their work. Would you not expect these extremely rational people to adapt their beliefs if they sensed a clear contradiction between their beliefs and the world?

>>131419800
I think I actually got a little bit of brain damage reading this. You're not this stupid.. r-right?

>>131423824
>If you are asserting incremental evolution over millions of years, you are calling God a liar
How though?

Evolution does not answer how life began. It just answer how life has become more complex and diverse. Case closed.
Ps. Catholic Church admits evolution is a fact. Only protestant sects are trying to manipulate facts and think otherwise...

>>131418385
If he is understandable, why do you refuse to explain him? If he isn't understandable, why should I bother to learn about him?
Just so he doesn't torture me? I'm an American, I don't negotiate with terrorists.

>>131424172
you suppose the existence of nothing as the foundation to your theory

with "nothing" disproved. your religion has no foundation.

>>131424278
>you suppose the existence of nothing as the foundation to your theory
What?

>>131416382
Winning an argument doesn't prove anything when it comes to the real world. Doing a repeatable experiment does.

It's funny (sad actually) that all you retarded christians nee tons of proves for volution, you want to see it actually (which is opposite of what evolution is about-it is a slow process) yet when it comes to your Bible...lol....it happend because it happened. No need to prove that. The most legit book ever. Fucking Spiderman is less SF than Bible.

>>131424055
Then prove it. Truth doesn't fear investigation, right?

>>131416483
Atheism was never a religion, you dumb fuck

>>131424343
Every one of your theories is predicated on the existence of a "nothing" for "things" to spring from

It's a lie. With "Nothing" fundamentally disproven, Atheism is a lie. Evolution is a lie. Life comes from God. An infinite being that thought us into existence with the word.

>>131423710
>Then God said
>Us
>Our

What?

>God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

According to some dude , did God tell him this?

I mean the OT has wisdom in it but also a lot of it is clearly bullshit. Then you have the NT and Jesus words , which clearly have been edited. I mean the dude says some brilliant cosmical shit one second and then he says something retarded to the effect of "gives us your shekels goy" , i mean it makes no sense to me to think that that was the same dude.

I don't buy into biblical inerrancy.