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>Tfw in exactly 5 days the state of Illinois will become Greece

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>Tfw in exactly 5 days the state of Illinois will become Greece 2.0 and Chicago will descend into chaos with less police and gibs

Hope you got out while you can
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>>131332155
Can't wait
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Explain?
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>>131332155
illinois anon here. i know the state is broke as shit but whats happening in 5 days?
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>>131332277
Credit rating about to enter junk status if they don't post a budget
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>>131332155
Why 5 days? Is there something special about July 1?
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>>131332155
Time to build a giant wall around it.
Or else the Nogs will invade the other states and blame them for their situation again.
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>>131332277
illinois has had no budget for almost 3 years, and everyone wants to point fingers and act like children rather than try to fix anything. friday ends the fiscal year and if nothing is done we're fucked.

money is so low the state is increasingly not prosecuting minor offences leaving it to cities to enforce and prosecute offenders if they want.
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>tfw an hour away from chicongo
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>>131332421
>>131332377
June 30th is when they have to post their budget which they haven't done in over 3 years

If it ends in deadlock then it'll be the first state to obtain a junk status credit rating
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>>131332155
Awwww, to bad.
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>>131332155
>Make crook county a separate state
problem solved
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>>131332600

AnCap paradise here we come
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>>131332155
>tfw neighboring state
>tfw already being flooded with Chiraqis
>tfw it will get a thousand times worse once Illinois runs out of gibs
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>>131332685
I always say chimpcongo
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I've heard from multiple people in the rating business that if IL doesn't have a budget on Friday it's going junk
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why is Illinois so poor?
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Not all bad. They'll default, Trumps federal government will go in and clean house, get rid of every single corrupt politician, end the unsustainable pension obligations, get rid of Ramn Emmanuel, etc.

Not sure if I'd risk buying a house there, but any REITs that have an Illinois focus would probably be a good bet.
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>>131332809
Holy shit that is insane
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>>131332600
Why don't people just stop committing crimes?
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>>131333081
Not poor but the budget is crippled by retarded expensive union pension plans the democrats refuse to get rid of.
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>>131333081
C H I C A G O
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>>131333081
corrupt everything
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bump this sounds interesting, feds move in when ?
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>>131332885

I say Shitcongo
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>>131332685
618 here. Still too close.
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>>131332155
>>131333333
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>>131333196
makes sense, the black capital of america

i assumed chicago is in michigan but apparently it is not
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>>131333383
East saint louis is plenty bad enough
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>>131333337
defaults start in July - the state will not have enough money to pay its debt in July and with a junk bond rating it will be unable to raise more money via borrowing
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>>131333081
illinois just has too many strikes against them.

chicago, corruption, mismanagement, liberals running shit forever, no more manufacturing, and being in the midwest means not as much east and west coast (((wealth)))
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>>131333496
what are the police unions prepared to do in such an event ? are they going to strike ?
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>>131333081
>>131333185
>>131333196
>>131333327
The Republican Governor put forth a budget. Mike Madigan basically owns Chicago. He's been a State Rep since 1983, openly talks about owning Chicago, openly talks about how vast sums of the State's budget go into his pocket, and openly talks about starting a political dynasty (He plans to have his daughter run for governor). Mike Madigan killed the budget because not enough money went into his pockets. Because Mike Madigan basically owns the State Legislature, nothing can happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVP3H122nw
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>>131332568
Ugh don't give me Katrina flashbacks.
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>>131333090
Their gerrymandering game is on point. It's called crook county for a reason.
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>>131332277
Corrupt Democrat run state raided the pension fund for decades to hand out gibs, claimed "future increased returns" would pay it all back which never happened.

Now the debt is so large they have no hope of ever paying it back ergo their state bonds are now junk status and credit rating tanking.

CT did the exact same thing, and is also bankrupt, and likely cannot pass a budget this year. It's another Democrat run state that will be operating on a 'temporary' budget http://www.modbee.com/news/business/article158141439.html

The Democrat mayor of Dallas Mike Rawlings did the exact same thing, raided the pension fund for gibs and didn't fund it back, Dallas is next city to file for Chapter 7 protection but states cannot file Chapter 7 so they will either have to negotiate with Trump to fix their mess in exchange for a bailout or burn to the ground.
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>>131333690
police will get paid - you never stop paying the people with guns

Medicaid on the other hand....
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>>131333148
>Why don't people just stop committing crimes?

everything is a crime in illinois.

my friend got arrested and a shit load of charges thrown at him for carrying a bb gun in his backpack. some kid robbed him of his new iphone then called the cops on him for threatening him with a gun, even though the kid was gone before my friend realized his phone was gone.

they charged him with assault on a minor, carrying a concealled weapon, and carrying a loaded gun.

hell one time police threatened me for having a steak knife in my glove compartment.
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>>131333148
>why doesn't cancer just stop spreading?
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>>131333785
oh i see, and what about gibs ? how will they feed the next generation of unemployable 'savages' as they style themselves ?
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>>131333841
Why the fuck did you have a steak knife in your glove compartment?
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>>131332155

Hey... it is not that bad. It is just that everything anyone strived all their lives to create falls apart. Then outsiders flood in and buy the ruined land for peanuts.

Infrastructure falls apart, basic services are out of reach, and long term planning has a horizon of about a week. Enjoy.
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from someone who actually lives in Illinois. Its not that bad. The only people that ought to be scared are the city people. They're the worst and I hope they get whats coming. Luckily for me I see absolutely zero negros in my area. crime rate is pretty low and its all corn fields. Chicago is jew central. I've been there a couple times. The colleges over there are cancerous to high heavens.
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>>131333777
Which county are you from?
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Kane Country master race here. Fuck Crook county. Go fuck yourselves. The sooner it happens, the better.
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>>131333984
Not from illinois
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>>131333989
Mchenry county is the best. Its so isolated and has few to no blacks
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>>131333918
>all the horrible parts of liberalism
>still don't get to be a coastie
What the fuck is the point of living in Illinois again?
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>>131332155
Is Illinois about to go Anacro_capitalist for real?
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>>131332568
>implying they didnt come from NYC and other cities that pay homeless people to leave
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>>131334109
that's what minneapolis is turning into. unfortunately here there is no turning back. maybe chicago can rise from the ashes after all this. minneapolis is on a slow downward degeneracy
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>>131333952
>Why the fuck did you have a steak knife in your glove compartment?

i had just recently installed a new radio in my car, and i like using the serations to strip wires. just accidently left it in there and didn't realize it till i got pulled over for a burnt out liscense plate light.
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>>131332277
WE BROKE NIGGA
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>>131334069
Illinois is bretty good. Don't mean to brag, at least in the countryside at least. Everyone's pretty nice up here. Everyone keeps to themselves. its so quiet
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>>131333081
Massive amounts of gibs and the most government employees of any major city in the US.
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>>131333781
Inb4 king nigger starts calling for more money
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>>131334109
no blacks and friendly people?
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>>131332809
What the fuck... Is that little blue spot where all the gibs go?
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>>131334356
>>131333697
ok, this really sounds like Greece 2.0
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>>131332155
>tfw this will be California in 10 years
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>>131333383
309 here. Far enough away to be safe, but close enough to sit back with a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show.
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>>131334307
smells a lot better than the city
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I used to live in that shithole state. It's the most corrupt in the nation by a large margin, even if you exclude Chicago.

Not surprised. I expect them to beg the fed for a bailout a la Commiefornia
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>>131332155
>tfw own rental property in chimpcago suburbs
>patiently waiting for the prices to drop as people start getting the fuck out
the beauty of this situation is that it makes people leave and those coming hesitant to stay, but people will still continue coming for jobs and will rent instead of buying as they will plan on leaving. this drops housing prices, but makes rent go up.
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>>131334469
most of the state lives there, the population of crook county alone is bigger than some states.
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>>131333431
its not that black. dont get ahead of yourself. Been there few days ago. Blacks are usually homeless or work shitty jobs. but its not as black as Michigan. In michigan you can literally smell the black in the air
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>>131334469
yup. that's where chiraq is
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>>131334560
No worries, friendo. There are actually 13 states currently on the same path Illinois is on. My fine state of Illinois is just likely to get there first. See you boys soon! We'll be in good company!
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>>131334560
>10 years
LOL! You really think CA has 10 years?
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>>131334109

>lake border state
>not coastie

freshwater master race reporting in
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>>131332809
Underrated image. Not enough people understand how much Chicago and Chicago alone fucks the rest of us in the state.
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>Even Illinois, the one blue state in the swing midwest voted for a Republican governor in 2014
The absolute STATE of the Democratic party
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>>131332827
had a friend from iowa. How come you guys have big heads?
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>>131334535
A greece full of polaks and niggers
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>>131334469
More people voted for Kennedy in Chicago than there are people in the state of Illinois. You better fucking believe that's where the gibs go.

>>131334653
Yeah, if you live in Flint or Detroit. If that's the case you should be asking yourself "Why the fuck am I in Flint or Detroit?". The State government just needs to declare both disaster areas and evacuated everyone out of state and never let them return. Just build a big fucking park where Flint and Detroit used to be.
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>>131334653
>its not that black. dont get ahead of yourself.
Barely 30% Caucasian
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>>131334786
illinois is typically red, with chicago making it swing blueish.

trump would have won illinois if it werent for chicago.
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>>131334560
>tfw California will be Mexican in your life-time
Dunno if one should be happy or sad
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>>131333785
Police pension fund in Chicago is almost out of money. The police don't even have enough money for squad cars outside their pension budget. Check out Second City Cop for insider information.

There's gonna be a Blue Flu one of these days and Chicago will truly become Iraq.
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>>131334848
Not in michigan but Detroit and places like that should just be bombed
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The Chiraq threads are about to get a lot more interesting.

I'm not one to support police States but they seriously need to send the national guard into that shit hole until crime slows down a bit. It's like a 3rd world country.
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>>131333785
police are paid from property taxes which are a local, not state budget.
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>>131333086
Please Kek, this.
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>>131334798
My country is proof national socialisms makes white people niggers. I hate all of fucking socialists.
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who here ready for nigger riots when the blacks don't get their gibsmedats?
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>>131333081
>+$60 billion annual budget
>poor
Are all Germans this stupid?
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>>131334929
well It didnt seem as black where I was. But one thing's for sure. There are a bunch of jews walking around with obnoxiously big noses and thick framed glasses
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>>131332155

God damn I hope this shithole craters. They deserve it. I hope there isn't a last-second "rescue" wherein the other 49 states are forced to bail it out.
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>>131332155

I'm going to Chicago in two weeks for a business trip. What's going on?
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>>131332155
wew
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>>131334410
Yeah but that's every state around you minus the cities. And they arent held hostage by stupid shit Chicago passes and implements on the rest of the state.
>>131334766
You know what i meant
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>>131335273
Bring cash.
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>>131335236
The place looks awful. even in tourist areas theres nigger graffiti and shitty street "art"
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>>131335213
The blacks are actually leaving the city in droves. They know it's dying. Hispanic population is 'growing' because of this. In reality, the city is dying from population outflow.
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>>131335273

planet of the apes
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>>131333785
Lol. Medicaid is so behind on payments here Doctor's are about to stop taking their patients.
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>>131334653
coon county has the highest black population of any county in the whole nation.
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>Get a drone with HD camera and transmitter
>Make a PPV livestream of the Chicongo chaos
>Become rich
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>>131332155
If Trump bails them out, I'm done.
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They need a John Kasich
Ohio was in similar dire straights back in 2010 when unemployment was at 12% and real gdp growth was null to declining

now they have one the lowest unemployment rates in the country, higher real median incomes, 3rd highest GDP, and considered to be one of the best states to do business

Liberals often assume giving more money to government will automatically lead to increased prosperity for everyone. News flash: it doesn't. I work for local government and I can tell you that there isn't a single greater waste of resources for a country than government. It's more bureaucratic than you actually think and only about 10% of your tax dollars go to doing something productive. The rest gets lost in admin fees, government salaries, and pointless expenses.

Want more propserity? Make your state a more business-friendly environment by cutting regulation, cutting permit-processing times, slashing corporate taxes, and giving as little capital/power to the government as possible. Now you have a recipe for high economic output which leads to more jobs, capital inflow, and development.
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>>131335388
Where are they going? Hopefully not here (not revealing where 'here' is in case nigs are reading this)
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>>131334786

The entire state outside of Chicago is red. Illinois is a great example of why big cities should become their own city-states, it's fucking stupid that Chicago and NYC and Seattle override the rest of their state.
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>>131333431

It's one of the few states where the whites are as bad as (or even worse) than the blacks. Illinois has been a sinkhole of corruption for decades and decades -- voter fraud openly acknowledged and joked about, for example.
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>>131332155
BLACKED
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>>131335542
Even 'red' Illinois is corrupt as fuck
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>>131335515
i'd love to go back to ohio, but when i leave illinois it's going to be somewhere without snow in the winter.
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>>131334964
The vast majority of blue states would be red if you took out the biggest city. Illinois and Chicago seem to be the most extreme example of this though.
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>>131332685
773 reporting in. Chi town baby
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>>131332155
So what is the result of this? Will it all crumble on the 1st when no gibs go out or will it take a slow decline?
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>>131335656
kys
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>>131332421
New fiscal year
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>>131335342
>>131335273
dont bring cash. at least not in a wallet. Mugging happens all the time. be on your gaurd at all times. Niggers always pick fights. Im not even exaggerating. look at em funny and you get your shoes stolen. Niggers can tell if your not from there and take advantage of you so try not look confused.
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>>131333955

This is an excellent point. It's entirely Chicago's fault -- the rest of the state is just getting destroyed due to that one corrupt city.
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>>131332155

Illinois has been jewed very hard... (((they))) need their pound of flesh @JP Morgue


glad I got out of dodge
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>>131335673
Put it this way, Chicago is the murder capital of the USA already, and that's with gibs being distributed on time. Shit is about to be fucked.
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>>131335462
>Become a felon
ftfy

you can't fly within 5 miles of an airport which carves out a huge chunk of chicago due to o'hare and midway.
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Cook county anon here.

What will be the realistic effects if a budget is not passed?
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>>131332685
>>131332685

when ebt collapses the niggers coming for you faggot leave now
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>>131335342
>>131335395

I was a tard and posted before reading the thread.
I thought I heard on a previous trip that they can't even pay out the lottery winners?

I'm from Detroit, and even I shake my head when I watch the news when I'm in town and what a warzone it is.
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If you think the nationwide chimpouts which ensue after Officer Friendly shoots Shitavius the negro dead for getting high on lysol and attacking him with a lubricated rubber fist are bad imagine what would happen if the EBT cards stopped getting filled. Kill de white peepo!
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>>131332155
Were so fucking stupid here in illinois we can no longer afford the lottery. How do you to fuck up an openly rigged gambling game that sells slips of paper to degenerates at gas stations and convenience stores? You might as well be printing money, but my state is so fucking retarded we can't even manage that.
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>>131335627
It isnt if you live upstate. But the most redpilled people here are akin to the_donald tier faggots. You literally hear them praise minorities all the time.
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isn't this exactly what happened in Detroit only now on a state level?
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>>131332600
>>131332600
>>131332600

there is no fix you moron
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>>131335794
>one corrupt city.
I don't know what mudhole you other IL residents are crawling out of, but the IL state legislature is one of the most corrupt in the nation and it's coming from both parties.

IL's biggest export is probably lawyers.
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>>131335956
The lottery is actually kicking us out of the lottery.

lol. It just sounds funny to say.
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>implying there will be police when the state goes broke
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>>131334653
But that's not even true

They're all in Detroit and Pontiac
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>>131335776
i'd like to add, wear headphones even if you don't have them plugged in. that way you can ignore the niggers and their "AYYS"

also if your a smoker, buy cigarettes before you get here. you can't even get generics for less than $10 in cook county. also keep a pack that has only one in it, so when someone asks for one you can open it and say "i've only got one left sorry"
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>>131335515
>only about 10% of your tax dollars go to doing something productive
I wish this was known and pushed more. No matter what the program, amount of money, what it's for, who implements it etc. never does anymore than 30% of tax collected by the government ever go to what the tax is being collected for at the federal level. On average it's much closer to the 10% as you say.

A lot of people are so simplistic in their thinking that they think the $5000 they paid in such in such tax will all directly end up in the desired hands when they will be lucky to see $1000 while the rest was ate up by wildly inefficent, do nothing administration. Far and away the biggest cost in modern government is paying to keep a bunch of bureaucrats employed and making far more than you to do far, far less.
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>>131332827
Yeah no shit. The des moines murder rate has more than doubled in the last 2 years and the uptick is pretty much exclusively "Chicago man tiburnous Jackspun shot Chicago man tyreonious washinbeard in a parking lot" type news stories.
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>>131335673
All the unions will begin protesting once they no longer get paid, that will shutdown half the city.

The police will be forced to work overtime in order to deal with all the unrest and will run out of money too. Meanwhile crime will explode as gibs run out and everybody starts robbing each other. Police will not be able to deal with the crime and protests at the same time and will just totally crash unless Trump gives them money (or deploys national guard).
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anyone here from Wisconsin? Im from illinois but Ive been there a couple times while on vacation. Seems nice for the most part. IS it actually though? I dont see any blacks or spics and the only people who seem obnoxious are the bubba looking bikers. other than that doesnt seem bad.
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>>131335730
I'm moving back to Serbia next year so it's oK
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>>131336422
godspeed
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>>131335914
>you can't fly within 5 miles of an airport which carves out a huge chunk of chicago due to o'hare and midway.

wtf you talking about? ohare is 15-20 miles outside the city if not more.

nothing exciting would happen in elk grove during the chimpout anyway.
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Political corruption in Illinois:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption_in_Illinois
half these assholes are Republican.
Illinois doesn't have a Chicago problem, nor does it have a Democrat problem. It has a polarized electorate who always vote straight party problem. Red lever, blue lever; same fucking shit.
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>Remember that one time when the Gov. of Illinois tried to sell Obama's senate seat?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich_corruption_charges
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>>131336490
Those are rinos. Turbin Durbin is
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>>131334560
10 years? When the real estate bubble pops cuckfornia is FUCKED.
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>>131336611
Whatever. Republicans vote for so-called RINOs all the fucking time. RINOs pretty much own the RNC
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>>131336344
>that will shutdown half the city.
wrong, chimpcago is heavily weaned off manufacturing and skilled labor jobs. even if the unions went on strike it wouldn't mean much except for the cucked organizations like universities. i don't know about chimpcago itself, but even garbage collection is handled by private, non-unionized companies in the suburbs.
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>>131336366
Fuck off we're full.
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>>131335014
>happy or sad
It's sad, I've watched the decline of Cali with a front row seat my whole life and it's just...sad.
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>>131332155

STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY LOVELY WISCONSIN, YOU FUCKING BROKE-ASS FLATLANDERS, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.

Go to some other shit state that's still dumb enough to vote blue and be with your own kind.
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>>131336086
>The lottery is actually kicking us out of the lottery.
>lol. It just sounds funny to say.

That is pretty funny.

I go there a couple times a year. Like I said, I'm from Detroit, so the nogs don't scare me...but it does seem like they're much more insane than D-town nogs.
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Why the fuck did Rauner getting elected change nothing?
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Shitcongo is probably one of the foulest watermelon patches in this once great country
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>>131332155
I just came from Chicago yesterday. The burbs, Michigan Ave and O'Hare. All is well. The girls there like to wear these shorts where the lower ass meats of the ass is exposed
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>>131332155
I'M BROKE NIGGA, I'M BROKE
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lower ass meats of the ass
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>>131332685
708 here
Nog hogs are a comin
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Would you go on a nigger safari in an armored truck?
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/17370119/
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>>131336916
Polaris, arctic cat, ski doo, or yamaha?
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>>131332155
I look forward to it.
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You know it bad when Mega millions and Powerball are kicking you out.
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>>131336978
because madigan cock blocks anything that rauner tries to do and then blames rauner so retards like you can use him as a scapegoat.

rauner wanted property taxes to be frozen. madigan wouldn't allow that. why? because madigan has a law firm that does property tax appeals. the higher the taxes, the more people appeal them, and the more business madigan's firm gets. this is how fucked this state is. all these shitheels just want to bleed everyone dry.
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>>131332155
The Robert threads are gonna be LIT
https://youtu.be/WcID_QKpY2o
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>>131337258
>Buy a fucking brinks van for hood tours
Holy fucking shit
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>>131337301

No snowmobile owned, but seems that Polaris or Ski Doo rule the roost here in Waukesha Co.
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>>131337479
>Key checking intensifies
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>>131333148
You need a fucking permit to breathe in Illinois because the democrats have their hands wrapped around the laws
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>>131334307
Its not the demographics... just pure coincidence.
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>>131337058
yup and in fall you get knee high leather brown boots everywhere. chicago is a mess in a few areas, other than that its a pretty nice place if you ignore the weather and lack of geology.

Southside and some of the west side is detroit level shithole, north side and northwest is pretty nice.
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>>131337358
How does a property tax freeze work? Does it keep property taxes from increasing?
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>>131337490
I'd go with the Marauder myself.
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>>131332155
Here's what I don't understand about the world today. A modern state is going to collapse, people aren't going to survive, and yet people in the past have endured harsher and worse conditions, and somehow come out ahead.

I mean for centuries of human history, and I mean centuries, there was no such thing as police officers, courts, entitlement programs, medicine, surplus of food, reliable national borders, electricity, warm weather, a lack of literarcy, literally fucking nothing. And did people survive despite having access to none of these things? Yes. And eventually, they thrived. Why? Because they weren't degenerate hoodrats who can't even peacefully resolve an argument without pulling out a weapon. Take the people of Chicago, put them in the year 700 AD, and they'd all be dead from their inferior abilities and lack of resources.

Now that Illinois is on the verge of collapse, and the privileged amenities that are taken for granted are going to go away, people will have to adapt to having to do with less. But even the poorest, most backward Chicagon has more resources than any yeoman farmer of the Dark Ages. Yet that isn't even enough for them, and they won't be able to survive without the gratuitous programs needed for survival. These fuckers take everything they have for granted, and it isn't even enough to keep them alive. Now that what they had is going away, they'll all perish for the lesser men and women they are, when stronger people have endured worse and come out ahead.

People aren't going to survive if the world falls apart due to incompetence, where-as our betters survived in the past DESPITE having nothing at all.
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>>131335117
I've been vocal about sending the national guard in to beat the situation down. I want them to occupy the shit out of that fucked city until all of the gangs dissipate.
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>>131337844
>Southside and some of the west side is detroit level shithole, north side and northwest is pretty nice.

Yeah, I've pretty much learned to not go anywhere that isn't serviced by the blue line, or past Wrigleyville on the red line.
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>>131338027
people in medieval europe werent niggers and had land to farm.
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>>131338027
Dude. Chill. I live here. Nothing is going to actually collapse. The state is not going to burn or anything.

Jesus Christ, take a pill.

We'll declare bankruptcy. Be the first state to do so since Arkansas in 1933. We won't be able to borrow any money for a while. Things will correct itself.

Fuckin' chill bruh.
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>>131336462
>Implying the riot won't reach the white suburbs as the starving hordes look for food
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>>131338027

you'll soon understand why ppl hate jews anon

look at the banks anon, the banks
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>>131338339
This. Outside of a "blue flu" and upset workers what will happen is a judge will take over finances and may force some new taxes or shut down programs till everyone is paid up.
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>>131338339

>When your state is so shitty that bankruptcy isn't even that much of a problem

Oh boy.
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>>131336812
All the unions will do a general strike which means teachers and public service unions all in the streets shutting down shit.

That's of course unless they just play games with the junk bonds selling them for ridiculous interest rates and living off yet more IOUs until it fully crashes. I'm betting this is what they do, just manipulate the debt as long as they can to avoid any responsibility and recklessly sell the state so far into the red only a dissolution of the entire state can save it as even bailouts won't ever be big enough.
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>>131336916
Milwaukee is just another suburb of Chicago
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>>131338027
>Now that Illinois is on the verge of collapse, and the privileged amenities that are taken for granted are going to go away, people will have to adapt to having to do with less.
No they won't. The viral cell will pop and the disease will spread to the neighbouring states and cities.
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>>131338339
Yeah, but gibs will reduce. I haven't and still ain't paying attention to the situation, but it would be interesting to see how the bottom of the barrel will handle less amenities.
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>>131338414
>the white suburbs
Like what Barrington and St Charles?

I live in Schaumburg/Hoffman estates and I'm surrounded by Mexicans and poo in loos
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>>131332155
They'll just be forced to gut the gibs programs when they declare.
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This is what I pay $14,091 per student for. And if I have a kid I have to spring for catholic school to get away from the fucking spics and niggers I'm paying for and who hate me. Let this city burn
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>>131338339
I hope your right about Illinois and your definitely right about me needing to calm down. 4chan is a place to vent for me sometimes. It's unbelievable how people act today, despite their tremendous advantages. Give a Frankish Farmer modern technology and he'd do far more with it than us people today.

>>131338552
If things get really bad, emigration is going to happen. But emigration doesn't solve any problem, it only takes functional places and makes them dysfunctional. And there is only so much Western Civilization can take before it collapses too.
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>>131333781
Thanks for reminding me I'm leaving CT for texas in 4 days.
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>>131332155

>chicago will BECOME chaos

too late for that

it's already murderville USA
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>>131338027
Decadence breeds weakness

Try raising a wild animal in a zoo and then put it back into the wild and see what happens
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>>131338640
ive been to shaumburg. Its like chicago lite isnt it? The closer you get to chicago the shittier it gets.
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>>131338507
>>131338516
>>131338633

lol. I'd argue bankruptcy is the absolute best thing that could possibly happen to our state.

It's that fucking bad.

lol. The gibs should have been reduced 20 years ago but the libs here are literal wannabe retarded babies. Like, I know some teachers who've swallowed the blue pill so fucking hard we almost got in a fistfight because they won't budge. I told them they and the others are literally holding their neighbors and the state hostage. They don't care. They think we owe it to them. Probably lost some friends.

lol. I don't give a fuck. I want them to watch their pensions disappear like a fucking whisper.

Fuck it.
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>>131338640
Carol stream, Wheaton, DeKalb, glen ellyn, and everywhere around O'Hare airport are all full of whitey. West Chicago is a fucking containment zone. Idk about Elgin or Barrington, but I do know St Charles has a shitty mall which might influence some things
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>>131335117
New Orleans actually has the highest murder rate on America.
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>>131338640
St Charles here, aurora and elgin nearby thx
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obama's home state is broke

I love it
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>>131338895
W-what will happen once we go bankrupt or worse
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>>131337558
Anytime I see us called flatlanders it's by a sled head.
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>>131338982
Tri-Cities master race, reporting in.
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>>131332685
Maybe youre lucky and they wont be able to afford a one hours drive of gas.
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once again only city people will actually feel anything. If youre in shitcongo, which I couldnt imagine any lifeforms other than rats and roaches to inhabit, get ready for massive chimpouts.
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>>131335794
The entire state is fucked and full of shitholes. Rockford, Peoria, East St Louis, etc. Springfield is a den of corruption.
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>>131338895
Can you imagine when the judge looks at the pension, laughs, and then coverts it to 401ks or cuts payment to match what is actually there? It will be amazing the buthurt.
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>>131338982
Elgin is literally mexico. why would you be thanking them?
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>>131339022
>>131339101
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>>131339022
It's pretty similar to personal bankruptcy actually, only the court system commandeers the state finances. We won't be able to borrow money to pay pensions and shit. All that money will be redirected to funding roads and utilities and safety to keep everything running.

Eventually, after some time if we prove we can turn it around, we'll be able to borrow money again and fuck it all up again.

As for these fucking retards stomping their feet and demanding pensions...lol...all gone. Fuckin' bye bye. lol. might as well kill themselves they're so retarded.
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>>131338895
Did you tell them what an utter fucking failure of an educational product they're delivering with our stolen money? See pic I posted
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>>131338339
>Everything is fine
OK, anon. Where are the cuts going to come from? Who is NOT going to riot when they lose their gibs?
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>>131339022
>W-what will happen once we go bankrupt or worse

In economic terms it's pretty simple. You declare bankruptcy which means you can't repay debt and finance current spending, so you slash expenditure by cutting programs and increase revenues by increasing taxes. Debt financing also increases.

Social outcome of bankrupty on a large scale in a predominantly black community is... well, unpredictable.
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>>131339058
60175 not 60174 woot woot.
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>>131333781
>Dallas burning to the ground

Can we do Houston too while we're at it?
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>>131339000
He doesn't live there anymore, anon. He couldn't care less.
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>>131337866
yeah, i don't recall what time frame he was hoping for but it would guarantee that property taxes wouldn't increase for x amount of years.

it also doesn't help that in crook county in the poor to lower middle class areas houses are assessed at or above their true market value, while in rich areas they might be assessed at as little as half their true market value. this means that the rich don't pay their fair share in the true, corrupt illinois fashion. chicago tribune has actually been drilling into the cook county assessor over this recently.

apps.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/cook-county-property-tax-divide/index.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-cook-county-property-taxes-berrios-edit-0613-md-20170612-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/taxdivide/ct-property-tax-divide-met-20170621-story.html

chicago property taxes are also only about 60% of what a property assessed for the same amount would pay in suburban cook county. illinois overall also has the highest property taxes in the nation. needless to say, things are pretty fucked when it comes to owning property in illinois.
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>>131339166
St Charles surrounded by Mexico was my point when someone said st charles is white.
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holy fuck
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>>131332155
ah what a perfect example of irony. The state that gives us in recent memory two of the most worst political figures in history Barrack obama, and Hillary Clinton seems to fit perfectly with the state conditions. A welfare state that can't even afford to give its citizens free money You can't make this shit up folks.
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>>131338815
If it makes you feel any better, I hate this state, I hate the welfare mindset I'm fucking surrounded by, that my own mother brought me up in.
"I'll drink beer tonight. If I'm broke tomorrow, I'll just drink water."

I'm also not thinking of moving to a surrounding state anyway. Washington state sounds like a dream. It's a liberal hellhole, sure...but 3% black, Coastal, and overcast weather all sound fantastic.
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>I have visit the north side on the 1st
>Didn't even realize it until now

On a scale of "don't worry about it, the violence is only on the south side" to "you will literally die if you do this, nowhere will be safe from the nogery", how fucked am I if I visit on the 1st?
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>>131339227
Yep, the pension will be converted to defined contribution plan or the benefits will be slashed.

Will be fun to watch.
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>>131338339
Arkansas defaulted then restructured it's debt, it didn't declare bankruptcy. It's illegal for any US state to do so and it would need either an act of congress to change the law (highly unlikely) or the state would have to dissolve itself.

Arkansas also had a payable debt, Illinois has something like $130 billion in just pension obligations. They can never pay it as that debt just grows with the amounts of retirees and new employees, plus it is illegal by state law to slash pension benefits.

Prepare your anus for the happening
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>>131339460
yeah but my town is whiter.
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>>131339584
Whiter than 60175?
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>>131332827
You fags are lucky it's only been happening recently. Indiana has been where Chiraqis escape too and continue to vote libtard for at least 40 years.

Goes to show just how redpilled Hoosiers are though. We still vote more conservative than you guys or any other Midwest state (except maybe the Dakotas) in spite of Chiraqis coming here.
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>>131339230
Dude. I'm telling you. I probably lost them as friends. We got into it pretty fuckin' bad. They needed to hear it. I hope they took my advice. I doubt it, but whatever. If they have the attitude that every neighbor on their street owes them for pumping their shitty liberal bullshit into 12 year old's ears every day, then they can kiss my fucking ass.
>>131339310
They may riot, sure. They also need to eat.
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>>131332685
317 reporting. Stay the fuck of the circle city nogs.
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>>131339320
It's going to be an absolute shitshow.
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>TFW /cpd/ is going to reach comfy levels previously thought impossible
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>>131339554
>plus it is illegal by state law to slash pension benefits.
oh lawd
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>>131333952
why the fuck wouldn't you have a steak knife in your glove compartment.

Scenario 1:

>Driving down the Ike, suddenly on the side of the road: Hobo grill off competition. The Hobo chefs are actually displaced restaurant workers who have recently road jacked a semi of choice meat cuts. The Smell of finely cooked beef mingles with the diesel smell of endless road construction and open road tolling. Your hunger is out of control, the meat is free, but.....NO! alas....you have no utensils, and these are civilized hobos. They will not let you eat on the side of the road with them.

Haha, anon. not carrying a steak knife in 2017. You fucked up man.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OorFstXlFI

new hampshire,really?
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>>131339554
If the state goes into a administration the judge can override that state rule.
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>>131334255

>using the serations to strip wires
what did those wires do to deserve that
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>>131338259
blue line still goes into complete nigger ville. the shit thing about blue line is that the first three west stops are in very affluent areas then as you start heading towards o'hare it's all niggers until you hit UIC and then it's fine all the way to o'hare. if the blue line skipped the stops between oak park and uic it would be almost entirely devoid of niggers.
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>>131334797
A lot of Dutch people in Northeast Iowa.
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>>131339655
You will find their offices, and purge their efforts. It is a damn well known fact that they just bus people around district to district, defrauding the entire system.
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>>131333148
Because they're basketball Americans
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>>131336245
They've been infesting Dubuque for decades. There are spots in the town that people don't go to at night. They've ruined neighborhoods and are constantly causing problems.
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>>131332155
Fuck me, I'm moving to North Chicago in August
what will nogs do if they run out of gibs?
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>>131338526

Precisely why I don't live there.

However, MKE is one of THE most segregated cities in the nation, making it easy to avoid the groid on the rare occasions I bother to visit that place.

Milwaukee is shit, but the nigs all stay confined to the north side and a few east/south pockets, the west side and beyond is 100% white man's land until you hit Madison, and since that place sucks worse than Milwaukee, we don't need to say any more about it.
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>>131333841
>everything is a crime in illinois.
THIS
Republicans are 1/2 the problem, too. It's a bipartisan fucking by blue and red lawyer scum
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Please tell me you guys at least have decent self-defence laws.
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>>131339642
probably. There arent any nogs whatsoever
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>>131339979
>Im moving to North Chicago

Are you retarded?
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>>131340014
republicans here rent even conservative. at most theyre reddit tier
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>>131339678
>stay out of circle city nogs
Indy is already BLACKED though

Come home downstate to the 812, white man
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>>131340039
It's possible. Southern il?
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>>131338640
>I live in Schaumburg/Hoffman estates and I'm surrounded by Mexicans and poo in loos

That area isn't too bad. It's kinda like what Southfield is to Detroit.
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>>131339656
Chicago needs a conservative paradigm shift but there's no. I've been thinking of starting a little news blog and media org targeted for the area because we can't go on with this democrat shit any longer. It's been 7 decades of failure.
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>>131339979
>I'm moving to North Chicago
F
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>>131340059
Its either stay and die in SoCal or leech off my mom until I'm stable, I'm 23, NEETish but fuck I think I might just go sign up for the military
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>>131339043

My uncle taught me that term almost 40 years ago, whereas my siblings grew up referring to y'all as FIBs for your propensity to cross the border to get drunk here back when legal age was 18, and even then, they knew that your people were shitting up our state.

Obviously, there are some good people in your state, but you chose to live there, and we're full, so try Indiana if you need to relocate.
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>>131339526
depends on whether you have a gun or not.
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>>131332155
illinois just needs to raise taxes to what neighboring states have -- inc. muh VP mike pence's indiana and they'll run a surplus immediately
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219 here I keep seeing more and more black people in my town, at least they're colonized though
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>>131332155
So we need to buy popcorn, before the niggapocolypse? No need to pay money to see Planet of the Apes. Chicago will be that, in less than a month.
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>>131332421
first of the month
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my state
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>>131332155
I don't care where you live in Illinois, I hope every single faggot in your state dies
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>>131340296
Civilized, check for that as well...
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>>131339979
You're fine, dude. That's white town. You only need to be worried if you go south of Roosevelt and west of Western.
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>>131340296
no shit, your right next to gary.
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>>131340168
I am doing the same thing actually.
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>>131336452
go along with him, you're not welcome in the US anymore
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>>131340035
Look up all the places you can't conceal carry in Illinois. It would've been easier if they listed all the places you can.
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Emergency session of legislature will change State Cons. to renege on civil service pensions because fuck those assholes anyway
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>>131332155
It's almost like when you give welfare out like candy and everyone eats better than they would with a job no one works. When no one works no tax dollars come in. When no tax dollars come in you can't afford to keep funding welfare. Good luck shiqwanda don't come across the stateline we won't pay for your five kids.
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>>131340111
Johnson County is still alright.
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>>131339554
the retarded thing about the pensions is that these retards would promote retirees just before they would retire so that they would get a higher pension since government positions have that pay rank scale. fucking retarded boomers thought the money would just magically keep coming in from thin air. now you have cities/suburbs, not even the state as a whole, that have huge debts because of all the retarded boomers that were only interested in milking the taxpayers for as much as they could. i sincerely hope that the pensions get fucked.
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>>131334635

>you won't end up sharing the fate of Detroit

If the state economy goes belly-up, you're just buying into what will literally become niggercancer.
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>>131340133
They're concentrated in pockets. Carbondale, Herrin, Cairo, Mounds City, Belleville.
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>>131332155
>Win lotto
>quit job
>buy new house
>state goes broke
>stops paying lotto winners
>lose house
>become homeless
>go postal
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>>131339526
the north side is still pretty shitty. if you absolutely have to go be on your gaurd at all times, go with someone you trust, dont wear anything flashy, and try your hardest not to make contact with blacks. even if they dont seem niggerish at first glance, they are unpredictable. Also dont bring too much money. mugging happens all the time. Dont eat city food either. its prepared by spics in the kitchen
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>>131332809
fuck you
it's you dumb republicans that are the biggest leeches of illinois.

pic related
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>>131340293
You idiot. Indiana went from destitute in the early 2000s thanks to 20 years of democrat governors to AAA credit rating, running in the black every year since 2004 (something not even Texas can claim) and having one of the highest economic outlook ratings by 2013 and there were very few tax hikes. It was because God-King Daniels (even if he is a cuckservative in regards to a few things) actually ran a tight budget and cut the fat, something even more republicans won't usually do. Illinois raising taxes won't fix shit, they have all kinds of public sector fat that needs to be cut like Indiana did last decade.
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>>131333086
would rather get rid of Madigan and Emmanuel-at least Emmanuel has started gentrifying the ghettos that desperately need it.
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>>131337490
hereas a (pic)
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>>131332809
Yep. 99% of Illinois is basically just like Indiana
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847 here, there's a small pocket of section 8 niggers in my town. Lucky for me I have an ar15 and the police crack down hard on these dindus, all things considered do I have a good holdout chance when STFU?
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>>131332568
Then white people swoop in and buy up all the cheap homes giving the Mexicans money to fix them increase the value restore credit sell it back to the nogs for twice as much, they can't pay their mortgages. Such is the circle of life.
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>>131340639
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>>131340190
>so try Indiana if you need to relocate.

Fuck off you democrat voting Yankee piece of shit, 2016 doesn't undo a god damn thing of you fucks voting for obama and Clinton twice. Do not send anymore Chiraqis here
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>>131340639
But you ignoring the costs.

If Cool and Collar collect 70% of income, but the state spends 80% on those counties, it a loss.
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>>131332758
*too bad
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>>131340619
won the lotto once. If you live in illinois, nearly all goes to the state.
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>>131340639

>he keeps convincing himself that underfunded excessive pensions aren't the big reason for Illinois' failure

Yeah, it's TOTALLY sustainable to pay $100-200k/year for LIFE to EVERY city employee who retires after 20 years when they're living 25-50 years after they stop working, amirite?!?!

Are you really this retarded? Hopefully you're just pretending.
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>>131340639
>donkey meme flag
opinion discarded
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>>131340836

Fine, let's just set them adrift out on the Great Lakes, I'm cool with that.
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>>131340639
>no mention of the Costs of those counties
This picture tells me nothing.
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>>131340585
highly unlikely. chimpcago has been becoming extremely trendy in the past few years. i take the light rail to work and the amount of passengers that get off/on in the stops closer to downtown, which previously have been spic neighborhoods, has tremendously increased. this is also reflected by the pricing increase in those areas (logan square, bucktown, wicker park, and west town as a whole)

i actually regret not buying in chicago proper because the prices have been going full retard and the property taxes are lower. at this point it's cheaper to rent than buy in the areas i mentioned above.
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>>131332685
847
hold me
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>>131338902
>Idk about Elgin

Mexicans everywhere
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>>131340639
This is a clever meme. The "collar" counties would be part of the new state. Meaning that 1,2,3, and 4, would constitute the urban area, while the rest of the state could manage with the other higher paying counties.
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>>131332685
219 Hoosier gun fag here, fuck off we're full.
You can crash in Gary if you want
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why are people in southern illinois typically nicer but niggerer? if that makes sense.
most are trash , even the whites, but at least the whites are really welcoming. Some lady started hitting on me as soon as I got off the train. Ive only visited a few times.
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>>131340639
cook county and collar counties have more than 51% of the state population, you retarded nigger. i believe it is closer to 75% in fact.
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>>131333785
I guess they'll still pay EBT too then
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>>131340971

Govmnt is parasitism.

Gvmnt workets are typically demoncrats n typicalky female.

For obvious reasons......
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>>131341041
I'll agree with you on that. Chicagoland plus the region sinking into Lake Michigan would make Indiana and Illinois a million times better off overnight, and I bet the rest of the Midwest would get a boost from it too.
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>>131340639
>city is 90% of state's population
>only generates 40% of the revenue
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>>131341121
Still more tolerable than pavement apes.
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>>131341041
I'm pretty sure neither the EPA nor their Canadian counterpart would be okay dumping garbage in the lake like that.
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>>131339084
>Maybe youre lucky and they wont be able to afford a one hours drive of gas.

It's easy enough to catch a free ride on the merta trains if you know what your doing. Just ride in a middle car on the top floor, put headphones on and act like your asleep. They usually leave you alone.
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>>131337187
708 too
Where you at
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>>131333185
The pensions would've been fine but were unsustainable only because the state politicians used them as slush funds to provide gibbs for niggers.

Now, the politicians are blaming the public employees.

Ironically, there would not need tobe as many public employees (police, teachers, firefighters, lifeguards, paramedics, public works/utilities, etc.) in all these cities if there were no niggers abusing the shit out of resources and trashing everything that they touch.

Basically, everything would be perfectly sustainable w/o niggers.
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>>131333467
>ESTL
>descend into chaos
It's not going to happen.
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>>131340971
Cook county makes up 40% of Illinois population. Now look at the overall % of tax returns filed by Cook country compared to the rest of Illinois (hint: it's 70%)

Now do the math

If you want an illinois without a cook county, I'm all for it. You leeching fuckers should wallow in your misery together
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>>131340646
income taxes in illinois are lower than every neighboring state. it's a fact
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>>131341279

I got really upset with the recent map of splitting IL into the neighboring states because they were trying to push Chicago on us here in WI. Fuck that, no thanks.

Schaumburg and other northern cities are welcome. There are a few small towns along the border that aren't too bad, but beyond that, it's a no go for taking anything on.
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What's funny is that the residents mostly blame Rauner. I was attending a wedding reception last night in LaSalle county talking with a CPS teacher. She kept blaming the governor for the unreal pension obligations her union put forth.
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McHenry reporting. Fuck Cook, Lake, and Kane counties.
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>>131341361

You're right, we'll need to get approval for a Superfund dump site to make things work if we want to stay within the bounds of the law.
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>>131341325
It's 40% you retard, and 70% of Illinois' total tax returns come from cook county. do the math
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>>131341325
also decisions made in chicago cause manufactures in rural illinois to go out of business, expand in other states, or leave altogether, leaving a lot of small towns without a real employer other than walmart, which put out of business most of the family run businesses and shops in small towns.
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Lower the minimum age for people to work at. More workers equals more money, more money equals more support for state, and more state support makes citizens better off. Just get child labor.
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>>131341455
You cook the books by including "collar counties" with Cook County. If your going to shill, do it honestly. Otherwise your opponent has the advantage of having the truth on their side.
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>>131332155

The problem with Illinois is that the state hasn't taxed enough. That's why they are defaulting.
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>>131339526
>>131340638
yeah man, lincoln park, gold coast, west loop, wicker park are sooooo sketchy. stop being stupid. richest concentration of white people in the midwest. super safe. only thing to fear is property crimes (bike stolen, car window broken for navigation/backpack). muggings are rare...maybe if you're solo at 2am or some shit
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>>131332155
I just hope I don't have to convince Illinois congress to split Chicago from the rest of the state so we don't have to pay for it's ridiculous fucking corruption debts.

I'm so glad Rauner is in the Governor's chair.
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>>131336076
And nonfunny faggot comedians
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>>131341455

So, you're trying to claim that because, oh, 2/3 of Cook County actually pays taxes that it means you're fiscally solvent and can sustain those mega-pensions for everyone, right?

I guess you answered my question, you're full-blown retarded. My bad for trying to reason with you, potato.
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>>131332155
The name of the game is ' Bailout "
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>>131341525
>trying to reason with retarded teachers
lmao
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>>131341528
Mchenry man myself. Voted trump but everyone here seems to be redpilled lite.
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>>131332395
That's a good thing though.

Illinois' budget is paying for fucking state pensions for crony positions handed out by politicians, the people working those jobs kick 10% of their pay back to the politician, whom then uses it to fund their political party and outspend their rivals.

It's completely legal to do that in Illinois too. Illinois is a corrupt shit-hole government-wise.
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>>131335542
King County ain't that bad as Chicago or New York. King County alone only has 2.1 million people out of the 7.1 million in Washington State. The result is although our Governorship is always Democratic, and the Legislature can be Democratic (currently split). The beauty of this state is that anytime an unneeded tax increase is levied, our boy Tim Eyman writes an initiative to remove the tax increases. The result is the Democrats in this state can really fund all the gibs they want.
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>>131332155
I can't wait to watch the ultimate Jig-a-boo jamboree.
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>>131341505
Arlington heights fag here, are my girlfriend and I welcome? I don't give a shit about football but the bears still suck.
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>>131340639
>Vermilion
>Republican

Yeah, because the only voters that showed up in the whole county were 4 old white ladies.

The rest of this fucking county is niggers imported from Chicago and meth addicts. They definitely didn't go and vote.

Our crime rate by population density is one of the highest in the USA.
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>>131341464
>Illinois state income tax: 3.75%
>Indiana state income tax: 3.3%

Really made me think

And just because you need to understand the flaw in the premise of raising taxes to solve the state budget, let's pretend you were right and Illinois DID have lower income tax. They could raise them to Indiana levels and they would still be a debt-ridden hellhole because they don't run a tight budget. When a responsible family hits hard times, they trim down their budget. When an irresponsible family hits hard times, they take our a shitload of credit card debt. Illinois has maxed out 74037 different credit cards and raising taxes to Indiana levels (which aren't much higher) will not fix the root of the problem.
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So, I have a couple questions:
1) Who the hell is lending Illinois money?
2) When IL goes broke, what happens to the credit ratings of other states? Are any states in the black?
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>>131332600
bills cannot even be heard by the illinois government unless Mike (kike) Madigan approves of it. One man holds all the power in Illinois government.
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>>131341325
>131341325
dinnertimin'
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>>131334091
Few blacks cause it's filled with spics
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>>131341648
You're the one making the assertion that cook county is somehow a drain on illinois without having any fucking evidence. Even WITHOUT the collar counties, cook county still contributes more than it takes in.

You can do the math yourself.

>>131341735
Where the fuck did I claim any of that? I claimed that the republican counties are the BIGGEST leeches of Illinois and I've proven that.
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>>131341900
I always hated going to Arlington heights, shitty downtown style traffic and parking, even though it's just a shitty little suburb. Plus tattooed up gauged hipsters everywhere.

I used to have go to that one shopping center where the cold stone was and just wanted to kill myself everytime I had to go there.
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>>131342382
First off, I'm unsure that's the case. Nevertheless, cook county's machine is also responsible for voting in the budget which created this mess. So by removing the machine from power, it becomes possible to pass a sensible budget which will lead to prosperity in general. Either the machine has to be brought down, or Cook County ought to be ejected.
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>>131341236
Southern Illinois is at the tip top of the bible belt. More Southern than Midwest mentality.
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>>131341236
>taking the train

>to southern illinois

only crackheads use the train
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>>131341949
>1) Who the hell is lending Illinois money?
In all honesty it's probably Rahm's banks. The reason here is because as Illinois' credit rating goes down in order to stay competitive they need to increase their interest rates and/or lower bond price to attract investors. Rahm utilizes his power over Chicago to guarantee no matter what he will get paid default or no default. This is more or less what's happening to Sears under Eddie Lampert.
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The crisis threatens to burden taxpayers with massive, ever-escalating taxes to bail out a system that is not sustainable – government-worker pensions consume a fourth of the state’s budget.
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When will people learn that child labor is needed to sustain Illinois, and Chicago? More workers, less money needed to pay them.
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>>131342898
WHAT ARE PENSIONS?

A government-worker pension in Illinois is a defined-benefit, or DB, retirement plan under which employees are supposed to receive annual benefits during retirement. In general, a DB plan works by having an employee and employer contribute a set percentage of the employee’s annual salary to a pension fund over the course of the employee’s career. The pension fund invests this money in the stock market – the same markets in which 401(k)s invest. These investments are expected to grow enough to meet the fund’s future pension obligations.

In exchange for these contributions, the pension fund promises a guaranteed amount of money every year to the employee for life once he or she retires. In addition, the amount a retiree receives increases each year through an annual cost-of-living adjustment, or COLA. In Illinois, COLAs automatically increase a retiree’s yearly benefit, typically by 3 percent each year.
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>>131342382

Anon...let it go. Cook county is a corrupt hell hole that is irrepairable because it does not want to be repaired. The people are placated by the illusion of normalcy and stability. Fine. You may have that; as an independent city state. Illinois will be better off, and if what you say is true, so will you. You need not fight, no! You, according to your own words, will be much better off without the burden of the rest of the state. And Illinois, in its most magnanimous of hearts, wants to shoulder this burden and free Cook county, so it may prosper as it deserves, to flourish, unburdened by the rest of us, poor, ignorant, podunk outliers. Yes. You can go an be free, and we will endure without you, smiling, knowing, we did the right thing...

Because anon...if you really love something, you will let it go; and we really, really want to let you go.
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>>131342589
There IS NO BUDGET.

Bruce Rauner is the reason why we're in so much shit.
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>>131342972
Employees do not own or control their own retirement funds under a pension system, nor do they have their own accounts. Instead, state officials and politicians control the pool of funds, allowing them to use workers’ retirement dollars as a political slush fund.

Another major weakness of DB plans is that if funds don’t have enough money to pay out future benefits, it’s taxpayers who must bail them out. That’s precisely what’s happening in Illinois today. Taxpayers now contribute more than three times what state workers contribute to their own retirements.
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>>131340639

How much does cook county cost? Income is irrelevant without cost. Per capita Cook county is WAYYYYYY below the rest of the state
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>>131342898
Simple, let the system fail. The liberals whom have no qualm moving to green pastures(California) will leave. The minorities wanting Gibs will leave as well. The only people that will remain are those that can stand on their own two feet.
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>>131342422
Not a terrible place to live but the biggest con is that it's in crook county. Woodfield mall is also depressing but you can't go wrong with Mitsuwa if you like Japanese food.
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>>131343046
>There IS NO BUDGET.
>
>Bruce Rauner is the reason why we're in so much shit.

LOL yeah him trying to fix the fiscal problems of Illinois is causing all the fiscal problems of IL.

Surely it's not Democrat-control for fucking years.

Chicongo is going the way of Detroit because of Democrats and you know it.

Kike Madigan shill.
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>>131343100
Illinois is home to 667 government pension funds

Illinois has 667 government-worker pension funds that are supposed to provide retirement security for more than 1 million government workers and retirees. Pension funds in each of these groups – the state, Chicago and other municipalities – are in crisis. Those funds include:

Five state-run funds that cover downstate and suburban teachers, state employees, state-university employees, judges, and Illinois lawmakers
355 suburban and downstate police pension funds, 296 suburban and downstate firefighter pension funds, and a pension fund for suburban and downstate municipal workers
Seven pension funds in Chicago and three pension funds in Cook County
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>>131343046
kill yourself
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>>131343250
WHY ILLINOIS HAS A PENSION CRISIS

Illinois’ massive, growing, government-worker pension debt is a direct result of three major factors: overgenerous pension benefits, political manipulation and inherent flaws of pension plans.

1. Politicians grant workers overly generous pension benefits that taxpayers can no longer afford.

Government workers who earn generous pension benefits have done nothing wrong. They’ve benefited from labor negotiations that have led to lucrative compensation packages. However, the state’s taxpayers can no longer afford to offer such benefits going forward.

a. Retirement age: Private-sector workers cannot begin to collect full Social Security benefits until age 67. By contrast, 60 percent of state workers retire in their 50s, many of them with full benefits.

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b. COLAs: Most retirees receive cost-of-living adjustments that are automatic, annual 3 percent compounded boosts to their pensions. That means their annual pension benefits will double in 25 years.

The state’s top pensioner, Leslie Heffez, earned a COLA of more than $16,000 in 2015, equal to the average annual Social Security payout for an average private-sector retiree. And since COLA benefits are not means-tested, Heffez will continue to receive COLA increases annually – which contributes mightily to his expected $18 million in lifetime pension benefits.
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>>131343360
>$18 million in lifetime pension benefits.

>Leslie Heffez

top kike
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>>131343360
c. Contributions: Most retirees contribute only about 4 to 8 percent (8 to 16 percent when interest earned on investments is included) of what they receive in retirement benefits. For example, the average recently retired (from Jan. 1, 2013, through 2015) career (30 years of service) State Universities Retirement System member contributed only about $145,000 (6.5 percent) of the $2.2 million he or she will receive in lifetime retirement benefits.

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d. Payouts: The average career (30 years of service) teacher who retired recently (within the last three years) receives a $71,000 pension and will collect over $2 million over the course of her retirement. To generate similar benefits, a worker in the private sector would need to have more than $1.5 million in her bank account when she retires.

In all, 53 percent of the over 213,000 state retirees in Illinois can expect to receive lifetime pension benefits of more than $1 million. Almost 40,000 (18 percent of all retirees) will receive $2 million or more in benefits. By contrast, private-sector workers with average Social Security benefits will only receive approximately $400,000 in lifetime benefits.

e. Benefits in Chicago: Employees for the city of Chicago also receive generous pension benefits. Nearly half of all city workers retire before age 60, and recently retired career workers (30 years of service or more) receive $65,000 average annual pensions.
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>>131342972
This ends up being more of a moral hazard than anything else. In theory this money ought to be spent ideally on dirt cheap index funds, but knowing the criminal behavior of Illinois politicians they probably invest the money in the businesses of their cronies, and our actively manage the fund to which a crony makes exorbitant fees off of. The end result is when it boils down to paying the retiree from the pension fund, the government can simply raise taxes in order to fill the revenue gap.
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>>131343521
2. Politicians use pensions as a political slush fund. In 1994, Gov. Jim Edgar created a culture of kicking the can down the road when he enacted legislation that pushed state pension contributions far into the future – through 2045. Since then, Illinois politicians have borrowed, skipped payments and taxed to fund pensions rather than seek comprehensive reforms. As a result, the state’s 2015 pension shortfall has skyrocketed to $111 billion.

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The current state of the Chicago teachers’ pension fund is the best example of how politicians manipulate pensions. Over the course of a decade, Chicago politicians redirected $3 billion in contributions away from the teachers’ pension fund, toward teachers’ salaries. Not only did this cause the teachers’ pension shortfall to skyrocket, but it also inflated teacher salaries, pushing teacher pension benefits to unaffordable levels.

The same thing also happened to Chicago’s police and firefighter pension funds. Police and firefighter salaries grew 50 to 70 percentage points faster than inflation over the past 30 years.

3. Pension plans are inherently flawed and unsustainable. Politicians’ failure to contribute to pensions is often blamed as the key reason Illinois pensions are so underfunded. However, that is not the case. A majority of the pension systems’ underfunding is due to the flaws inherent in DB plans. In DB plans, governments make promises to retirees based on certain assumptions – such as expected investment returns and mortality rates – which often fail. In all, 60 percent of the state’s current pension shortfall can be attributed to such failed assumptions.
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>>131343635
The combination of these three factors has driven Illinois’ pension systems closer to insolvency. Chicago’s police and firefighters pension funds now have only a quarter of the money they need today to pay out future benefits. The Teachers’ Retirement System, the largest pension fund in the state, has less than half the money it needs. And at only 16 percent funded, the General Assembly’s own retirement system is the worst-off of all state funds, relying on a taxpayer bailout every year just to stay afloat.

Pensions and the Illinois budget

As Illinois’ pension funds fall farther into insolvency, the money needed to prop up the funds is growing far faster than Illinois’ budget. Pension costs already make up 25 percent of Illinois’ budget – a massive amount considering the average for other states is only 4 percent. Those costs have been crowding out funding for the state’s vital services.

For example, by 2025, the state will spend more of its education budget on teacher pensions than it will in the classroom. This will dramatically affect local school districts’ operational budgets – especially poorer districts with minority students that rely heavily on state funding.
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>>131332685
live in logan square
how dead am I?

t.non gun owner.
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>>131343664
DEBUNKING PENSION MYTHS

Despite the deepening pension crisis, defenders of the status quo – including government unions and many politicians – continue to argue against any reforms to the state’s pension systems.

Here are some of their favorite lines.

1. “Average pension benefits are modest.” The Chicago Teachers Union, for example, claims “the average Chicago Teachers’ Pension Fund (CTPF) retiree earns $42,000 per year.” But that’s a misleading number because the average includes short-term workers who receive relatively smaller pensions due to their limited time working for the government.

A more appropriate way to measure the full value of a pension plan is to look at the annual pensions of career (30-year) workers who recently retired. When measured that way, the average annual pension for a retired Chicago Public Schools career teacher is $71,717 – four times the average annual Social Security benefit that private-sector retirees receive ($16,000).

2. “Pension benefits are a promise.” Citing the Illinois Constitution’s pension-protection clause, which states that pensions may not be “diminished or impaired,” union officials say pension benefits for current government workers cannot be reformed – including, even, those benefits that have yet to be earned.

It’s true that already-earned pension benefits should be protected. However, the Illinois Policy Institute believes that it should be possible to reform the benefits that workers have yet to earn.
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>>131333081
20th century potatonigger plebiscites voting themselves government jobs and gibs. Chicago's no different than Boston, Albany, or NYC in that regard. But Il lacks a real economy to pull that poutine train.
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>>131343766
3. “Pensions need funding guarantees.” Supporters of the status quo also claim that Illinois’ pension systems need funding guarantees to ensure the plans receive their required contributions. They point to the only well-funded pension system in the state: the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund, or IMRF. Under state law, local cities are mandated, through a court-enforced funding guarantee, to fund IMRF pensions before anything else.

But that arrangement – mandated contributions regardless of available city resources – has contributed to fiscal crises in municipalities across Illinois. Cities are forced to raise taxes and cut spending for road repair, libraries and police and firefighter pensions to make their mandated IMRF payments, crippling cities’ ability to deliver core services.
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>>131343153
>Woodfield mall
How the fuck can one of the biggest malls in America not have a food court? That irks me more than anything about that place, oh mc Donald's? Over by the Apple store, Sbarro? Right outside of Sears, auntie Anne's pretzles? Lol which one there's 4 of them. Starbucks? Again which one there's like 2 or 3.
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>>131343783
I'm sorry, mandated MILF payments?
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>>131343727
I moved to Irving from there. Way more for my shekels. Plus less degenerate hipster trash, and racist spics
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>>131343783
>>131343897
[...]
Here is a list of what Illinois lawmakers can do immediately to address the state’s growing pension shortfall:

Ditch politician pensions. With no unions to oppose reforms, Illinois politicians should lead by example and transition their own pensions into self-managed plans such as 401(k)s.
Offer 401(k)s for new workers. The Illinois Supreme Court’s ruling on SB1 doesn’t affect the retirement plans offered to new government workers. Illinois lawmakers should follow the lead of states across the country – from Michigan to Oklahoma to Alaska – and adopt self-managed plans for all new state and municipal workers.
Offer optional 401(k)s to current employees. Government workers shouldn’t be trapped in insolvent, politician-run retirement plans over which they have no ownership.
Require all teachers to make contributions toward their own pensions. In Illinois, most public-school teachers don’t pay the required 9.4 percent employee contributions toward their own pensions. Instead, many school districts pay, as a benefit, some or all of the teachers’ required payments.
Get the state out of the business of managing local school-district pensions. School districts should be responsible for the true costs of their employees and should pay for their annual pension costs. Going forward, the annual benefits accrued each year by teachers should be paid for by local school districts and not the state.
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>>131343940
Limit the growth of pensionable salaries. Government-worker pension benefits are growing at a pace that far exceeds the growth of taxpayers’ ability to fund them. With no way to structurally reform pension benefits for current government workers, the General Assembly’s only lever is to limit salary growth and other items that drive up pensionable salaries.
Allow municipal bankruptcy. Without the ability to reform pensions for existing workers, local governments should have more control over how they operate. That means having the option to file for bankruptcy. Bankruptcy should be the option of last resort, but it can help struggling municipalities restructure their debt, renegotiate contracts and reform pensions.
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THE NEED FOR REAL REFORM

Illinois’ growing pension crises at both the state and municipal levels cannot be solved by burdening taxpayers with massive, ever-escalating taxes to bail out a system that is simply not sustainable.

Without real reforms, many pension systems across the state may become insolvent despite taxpayer bailouts, ruining the retirement security of hundreds of thousands of retired government workers.

However, the problem is not insurmountable. Solutions such as the seven reforms above would reduce the severity of the pension crisis and pave the way for bigger reforms.

Ultimately, the Illinois Constitution will have to be amended so the state can enact real reforms that realign the retirement benefits of government workers with what Illinois taxpayers can afford.

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