In a month from now the model 3 releases Analysts say they

>>131274889
10/10 quality post

I've heard charger networks are already overwhelmed. And the Bolt seems a more reasonable investment. Frankly I'd drop the battery range to 150. Average driver only drives 30 miles a day.

>>131275155
They are doubling the number of charging stations and expanding existing ones

The bolt is ugly as fuck and is gm trash

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>>131274616
>easily building the 500k reservations by then.
The reservations numbers have been around 400k for more than 15months now. There was an initial surge and that was it. You just had to pay 1k which was completely refundable. Essentially like opening a small bank account.

The problem is that most of these reservations aren't currently being transfered into sales. People just wanted to say they are on the reservation list, they aren't all interested in really buying one of the cars.

https://electrek.co/2017/03/25/elon-musk-tesla-model-3-reservation-holders-buy-model-s/

Tesla has delivered 25k cars in Q1 2017... compared to e.g. 2500k cars by Volkswagen.

Let's see how much they deliver in all of 2017 and all of 2018 and then go from there, shall we?

>>131275489
>Tesla has 2 cars
>Vw has dozens from 15-40k in multiple markets

>>131275489
Of course the model s look better but it's cost 70k it's too much for 90% of people's. The model 3 look ugly and the interior cockpit is shit.

>>131275628
Yes, that was my point.

Call me once Tesla is say 20% of Volkswagen or 20% of Toyota in terms of vehicle sales. Then I believe their relevance and consumer adoption.

>>131275791

Even without the reservations they have the capacity to produce 4-500k cars which would make them larger than MB and BMW, #1 in the US luxury market with 3 cars doesn't sound so bad

>>131275489

>it's the volks nazi

That thing is ugly as fuck. Something wrong with the proportions.

>>131274616
Can't wait till Tesla 3 kills all the Germancucks (BMW 3-series, Merc C-Class, and Audi A4). They're gonna go bankrupt in the US in less then 5 years.

>>131275489
Rome wasn't built in one day Germancuck!

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>>131278926

>that thing killing iconic luxury brands.

Take your meds.

>>131274616
>Will Tesla kill the ICE/dealership mafia? The 3 series is gonna die in the US definitely
No. The infrastructure has to be set up first. Then, maybe there would be competition.

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>>131274680

>bmw/audi/merc killer

>>131274616

Ugly as fuck and still expensive. Could literally get a brand new vehicle for half the price. Only retards fall for the tesla meme.

>>131274616
What the fuck it's only 30K?

>>131274616

I wish they were cool looking but they're not.

>>131274616
i dont want to see another god damn tesla in my life

i went to hong kong for 2 weeks

literally 1 in 3 cars was a tesla

they have like 4 different colors

i cant tell you how fucking old that car got within the first few days

>>131279059
Model 3 looks 10x better then any POS BMW 3-series I've been on. Just yesterday I was driving a loaner X4M and I couldn't believe the shitty quality of interior for a "luxury" brand. My dad's 2017 Honda Accord looks better than that POS. German cuck luxury is a meme. The C-class looks much better but it's not worth the pricetag, that's why nobody is buying them in the US. The Model 3 will be the death of all "luxury" brand in the US. Screencap this faggot.

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>>131274680

Looks like someone broke into it and stole your shit.

>>131279433
>$70,000 full option 5-series gas guzzler
vs
>$30,000 electric test car competing with 3-series

And yet Tesla still BTFO of it with it's non-existent maintenance, dirt cheap electric, an 3 second acceleration. KYS krautfag. We're gonna kill your Jewish globalist industry.

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>>131279059

Thinking you can design a car around the Iphone philosophy vs manufacturers with centuries of experience and innovations.

I mean, do you millenial retards even know your buying a vehicle and not some smartphone ?

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>>131279433
>German engineering

>>131279722
Ehh
In Europe, it'd be the other way around
>70k for low tier electric car
vs
>30k for an entry level luxury car

>>131279742
This kills the Krautfags

>Tesla's Model S P100D is the fastest accelerating production car in the world, thanks to a Spaceballs-inspired software update. In a recent Motor Trend test, the Model S P100D hit 0-60 mph in 2.275507139 seconds using a new Easter egg mode called Ludicrous+. No production car has ever cracked 2.3 seconds during the magazine's testing, it said. That's faster than Tesla's original promise of 2.5 seconds, and faster than the 2.389 second time recorded by the Tesla Racing Channel in January."

Not even your shitty Porsches or the Pizzafag Ferraris can go this fast ahahahahahha

>>131280050

>Muh acceleration

Porches, Ferraris, BMWs, etc drive a hell of a lot better than any Tesla. There is more to cars than just the figures.

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>>131279722

Get stuck in the middle of nowhere with :

>phone on wheels you can't fix
>good ol diesel/petrol engine you can take a wrench at.

Americucks are ready to die for their stupidity.

Also to even compare that fucking thing to a sleek m5 or a CLA haha

>>131279433
>german cars
>Unreliable TSI and DSG
>Assembled by Turks from components from Third World countries

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>>131280612
JDM master race

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Americans have shit taste in cars and produce shit cars. What else is new under the sun.

>>131280431
>Mercedes
gas yourself

>>131279952

Electric cars are expensive in general. An Entry level Nissan Leaf for instance costs €33,590. An entry level 5 Door Fiesta is €16,000

You could get a Focus for €20,000

>>131274616
>falling for kike promises
>2007+10

shig.

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Oh look, it's the electric car meme.

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>>131280730
>M*rcedes

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>>131280752

>Guys pls were totally making good cars now, its not like the 80s, 90s and 00s.
Were totally cool now.

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>>131274616

My Nova would roast the doors off a plastic AMG Merksades.

>>131280431
CLA is not a real Mercedes. Real Mercedes start with the C-Class.

>>131280050
Muh 0-60
Literally the most useless benchmark. But if were comparing useless meme benchmarks then what is the top speed? Better yet, what is the range using that acceleration frequently?

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>>131281025
Checkmate

>>131274616
>buying electric car
>when it leaked that CIA can use exploit in modern cars to remotely control them

>>131274616
I'll be buying one in a year or two. What makes you say it'll die in the US?

>>131280215
>>131281235
Thanks for proving my point Eurofags. This really makes you butthurt.

>>131281342
When the model 3 was announced 3 series sales were down
Almost half of all bms sold in the US are 3 series


It will rip their sales in half, same with Mercedes and Audi

Cadillac and Lincoln sales wont be harmed

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When BMW were producing on the most beloved coupes of all time (the M3 E46) burgers were producing this, the "Cavalier" pff

>>131281434

>Electric cars accelerate faster than petrol or diesel powered cars

Well yes, that's what electric cars do well. It would be quite emberrassing if the P100D didn't accelerate faster.

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>tesla

>>131280431
If it was Golf 2/3 sure.
If its one of those new eco disels then you are as fucked as with tesla.

>>131280752
Good goy

>>131280730
america invented the car, oops

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>Tesla battery produces carbon emissions equivalent to driving an internal-combustion vehicle for eight years
Literal meme vehicles, don't even fulfill the very purpose of "saving the earth" they were built for

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>>131281826
>tesla

>>131281286
Not limited to electric cars senpai. Every single modern car is almost entirely controlled by electronic systems, the fuel used doesn't matter.

>>131281921

That would be Daimler

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>>131281642
We were producing this, which made Lincoln the top selling luxury brand in the US during the days of the E46

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>>131281962
>tesla

>>131280988
C H E C K E D
H
E
C
K
E
D

>>131281826
>80 mile range

LMAOOOOOOO call me when Eurocucks break 200 miles

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>>131281826
>36k for a Golf

>>131280904
Mind you, the Netherlands has fucked up prices anyway.
Ford Mustang with the undesirable EcoBoost = $25,185
Ford Mustang with the magnificent V8 = $34,095
In America, as estimated using Ford's US website.

In the Netherlands,
Ford Mustang with the undesirable EcoBoost = €57,160
Ford Mustang with the magnificent V8 = €119,560

Really fucked up.

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>>131281250

Looks like pressed shit. You lard buckets can't design a classy car since the 70s.

>>131282072
European countries are tiny 80 miles takes them from one end of the continent to the other

>>131281962
>100 mile range

AYYYYY LMAO KYS

>>131278926
you are a retard

>>131282045
>16 mile range

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHA

>>131282123
Everyone already knows you are bikecucks

>>131281185
This

>>131274680
I don't think I've ever seen an uglier interior. And people think BMW interiors are bland. Jesus.

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The only supercar worth your money today

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>>131282130

Audi is boring and looks like literally every other european sedan

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>>131282130
kys

Fact: no German company has a true BEV luxury electric car

we have
-tesla
-fisker
-lucid
-karma
-faraday future

>>131274616
>>131274680
Waiting for them to open a dealership in Lisbon to buy/lease a Model 3.

The interior is ugly, But the overall package still beats the shit out of the competition.

>>131282130
I love the A7, and I'd get far more enjoyment out of driving that 6 year old car than a model 3 piece of shit all day

>>131282223

It's a Hybrid

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>>131282288

>>131282256
>Supercar
>Camaro

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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>>131282045
>tesla

>>131282143
>>131282162
>>131282320
BWHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT you Eurofags are even more pathetic than I thought before. Why don't you just admit no Eurofag car company will be able to compete with Tesla in the next 10 years? You guys are gonna get BTFO in less then 5 years. Watch your "luxury" car sale get BTFO like the S-class/7-series/A8s are already being decimated by the Models S

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>>131282230
only real Mercedes

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>>131282401

To be fair it is currently the 14th fastest car around the nurburgring

Not a supercar but damn impressive for a Camaro

https://youtu.be/t4zSIVpVMaw?t=6

>>131282553
Too new tbqh

>>131281130
God that's hideous

>>131282444
>130 mile range
>looks like a fucking smart car
>gotta rent out the battery

AYYYYYY FUCKING LMAOOOOOO YOU HAVE NO HOPE

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>>131282444
>tesla

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>>131282545
When the air goes into production in 2019 the s class is kill

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>>131282041
Comparable,BMW of the period, probably the most dissapointing 7 series.

Looks alot more appealing than that tin box on wheels lol.

Further proof you lards have no sense for classy design.

>>131279150
Nah, $40. $30K is with all the rebates for electric vehicles that state and government allow. Rebates which Tesla is disqualified from getting because they've sold more cars than the rebates allow.

>>131282654
>85 mile range

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH FUCKING EUROPOORS CAN'T EVEN HIT 150 MILES

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>>131282654
>>131282444
>>131282045
>>131281962
>>131281826


non bait question, but are literally any of these better than just a volt?

>>131282070
R E D D I T
E
D
D
I
T

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>>131282256
>supercar

>>131282724
>7 series competes with the town car

Nigga you are dumb

They sold near 100k town cars a year back in it's heyday, the 7 series never outsold it

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>>131282591
anything along the lines
every other mercedes is an s-class thats compromised to fit other markets. The s-class is the only Mercedes

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>>131282654
>tesla

>>131282745
>>131279150
Don't listen to this fakenews fag. The car costs $35k WITHOUT any rebates. With rebates in the US should be 27.5k or less.

>>131282884

The Grosser is glorious.

>>131282895
A

FUCKING

LEAF

>>131282695
ahahahhahah Krautfags are gonna go broke. Mama Merkel will hang herself when the only thing they have left (exports) is will be gone and they're only left with rapefugees.

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>>131282262

>Audi is boring

Not every car has to look like hotwheelz toy .

Audi are subtle as fuck, and can make provocative designs aswell while keep it classy.

>>131282045
>e-tron
>literally means "feces" in french

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>>131282895
>tesla

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>>131275250
GM doesn't make trash anymore, and if you think that Tesla's quality control is anywhere near the standards that even GM upholds, you're obviously not very familiar with Tesla's cars. The bolt is just proof of how little effort it takes for a real car company to design and build a superior vehicle and meet its production and price deadlines as well which Tesla has never done - the model 3 is ages behind and Tesla treats customers like literall trash.

>>131282154

Same to u only for real

>>131282256

True

>>131282895
>107 mile range

LMAOOOO JAPANESEKEKS GOT HIROSHIMAD AGAIN

>>131282256
That's the one built on the mid 90s mercedes chassis a.k.a. the run of the mill german taxi?

Just bought a used Nissan Leaf for $6500. Battery is at 82% state of health and I'm getting around 80 miles on a charge in the Alabama heat with ac on.

I usually drive 20-40 miles a day so this is fine. So far I have only charged at home one time. 95% of my charges have been free.

I have three other gas powered cars to take on long trips if needed. All is well. Good feeling knowing that there are no oil changes, gas ups or belts etc to change, ever. Only maintenence is tire changes and car washes since the rgenerative braking shields the brake pads from 99% of braking wear.

>>131282960
t. Tesla marketing team

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>>131282967
it is. And I'm glad they still haven't lost that essence today.

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>>131283070

Audi are boring, they do fine, they have literally no defining features, they are so boring their boring infected lamborghini, now lamborghini is boring.

Remember when audi was rad as hell? I sure do.

Legitimately Audi and BMW haven't made a good car for like 15 years

>>131283070
Their design is so boring though


All the cars look the same

I mean you can always tell an s class from the c and e and a 7er from the 5 and 3 but whenever I see an A8 or an a6 I always think it's an a4

>>131279308
>luxury
>in 2017

There hasn't been a decent luxury car since the 80s, everything today that isnt over 120k has a shit plastic interior with little knobs made in china by someones grandchildren.

>>131281630
Oh, BMW 3 series. Shit, I thought you meant the Model III.

>>131283209
electric motor is the master race in every aspect

>>131283258
more like
>Tesla investor who's made 320k since 2012

stay poor faggot

>Hey I could buy a sportscar that will make every woman in a ten mile radius want to fuck me
>Or I can look like a lesbian soccermom, who can't even leave the city

Tesla meme needs to die

>>131274680
Did Fisherprice design this?

>>131283176
No, it's on the alpha platform which only the ATS and CTS share. You are thinking of Dodge

>>131283134
>110 mile range

BWHAAHAHHAHAHA KIM JONG UND

>>131282960
Don't get me wrong, Nancy. I don't care if it's $50K, I just want a sportier version. I want the P100D version of the Model III.

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>>131282695

>car is spartan to the point of a scam like model 3.
>they call it the "Air" to make it even more funny.

Americucks are literally buying tablets on wheels.

The interior is a big roadblock to deciding to buy. They need to maybe consult the Apple folks on redesigns, or some other proven expert on perfect designs. I myself think they need to lose the executive colors and add some patterns to the interior. Some color patterns. A dashboard with grooves designed like we see now on movie hero costumes..um...lines that are symmetrical and divide the visual space up in cool stylings.

>>131283332
>Please protect my investment

>>131280431

the CLA is a fucking joke the only people who drive them are poser boomers and women

Literally the only reason electric cars are marketable right now is becuase of extensive government subsidies.

I live in a poor province with 0 electric car subsidies and there's basically a 0% chance the extra investment of buying an electric car will pay for itself over the life of the vehicle.

The entire electric car industry is smoke and mirrors at this point.

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>>131283380
>buying cars for women
>can't leave the city

ahahaha you can travel the whole US for free in a Tesla faggot, and nothing turns heads like a Tesla, especially when you BTFO Ferrari-retards in a quarter mile.

Also
>UN flag

kek

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>ITT: elecucks btfo as usual

Be sure to not have your buttplug vibrate too much or your range will drop lmao

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>>131283176

>believes GM used anything but top of the line chassis design

> current year

Reeeee

>>131279433
Look at them buttons for the sake of buttons.
Amazing engineering, sneeze on the dash and place something where every droplet lands
>itll look good trust me

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>sees car battle thread between Amerilards and Eurocucks

ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORAAAAAA

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>>131283176

Chrysler were the ones who used Mercedes bits (And Mercedes even used some Chrysler bits)

The previous generation Camaro was made in Canada and used an Australian Chassis.

The current generation Camaro is made in America and uses an American chassis, Cadillac's based as hell alpha platform.

how could you get it so wrooooong

>>131282249
I like bland interiors. I want a nice non-distracting atmosphere when I drive. I don't want a billion knobs, switches, and lights to distract me. Car interiors today look like a gaming PC that a 12 year old boy designed.

>No glorious Nippon Lexus LS landyachts posted ITT

Despicable

>>131283135
You are so full of shit. Are you a paid shill?

>>131284016
>buy GTR
>slanty eyed joos conspired to have computer gimp it anywhere that isn't a designated race track
>go to nurnburgring
>nurnburgring overcrowded and heavy speed limits imposed

KEK

>>131275155
Volt is GMs idiotic idea to make sure cars still have a combustion engine and require maintenance after the dealerships had a heart attack EV1s didnt use oil and brakes looked like they were seldom used since the motor does the braking.

>>131284135
>non distracting
>giant ipad in the center like the the gay ass shit on a faggy mini to watch the latest video of you beloved trannyyoutuber

Pic one

>>131284284
Nice meltdown

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>>131284135
THIS, so much! Count the knobs and buttons

>>131283332
be quiet, nigger
oh nevermind, your car already does that for you

>>131284361
>implying you can't dim the screen

>>131284135
>>131284379

>Being distracted by your car's interior.

You shouldn't be driving. Besides, physical buttons > Touch screens

>>131284340
The volt is the answer to the primary failure of the EV1. Not enough range on demand.
Tesla cuck has the same problem but owners seldomly travel more than a few yards a day.

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>>131284013

>iphone fanboy logic

Look at that retarded speak again. You realise in the case of light crash you are out of functioning car ?

You faggots are so stupid you are literally going to strip a 2 ton death machine of vital buttons and functions that require quick access.

>>131284436
T. TYT hoping to keep their views

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really makes you think

>>131274616
that car is retarded
it's less eco than VW diesels in the grand scheme of things, poorly made, like an Apple when it comes to fixing it yourself and when it runs out of warranty it's worth nothing
but muh eco free powah ludicrous, im so green oneoneone

>>131283259

I must disagree somewhat. At the time the 600 was the most opulent car of the period. That isn't the case anymore and Mercedes have lost that title to the likes of Rolls Royce and Bentley. Both today own the most luxurious cars in production. Along with the specialized customer service they make the owners of the cars feel like royalty, especially Rolls Royce. Mercedes still make very nice cars though.

>>131275978
>35k car considered "luxury" in USA
whoa

>>131283135
>GM QUALITY CONTROL

>>131283712
>When an 8 hour road trip turns to 20 hours because you have to stop every 2 hours to recharge

>>131284570
>a leaf is selling more than the model S
TOPLUL

>>131280431
>take a wrench at
modern ice break if you look at them.

electric motor and solid state electronics are robust as fuck

>>131274616
>implying that extraction and utilisation of lithium batteries are more """"""green""""" than burning oil fractions
Lmao.

Hipsters are off the fucking chain.

>>131284629
GM is where it's at Ford fag.

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Eurofags designed this fucking thing and had the nerve to call it "luxury."

>>131284675

poorfags gonna poor

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Car interiors are bullshit. I can't believe you faggots think you're redpilled but you're drooling over the car interior Jew.

All this interior tech is just horse shit to keep the price point high when prices should otherwise be deflating due to over-production and deflation in the cost of the electronic components.

You spend probably about 1% of your life in your car interior. I'd rather spend that money on comfort and convenience elsewhere

>>131284921
>You spend probably about 1% of your life in your car interior. I'd rather spend that money on comfort and convenience elsewhere
Yeah if you have a tesla you should make sure the dealership waiting room has free coffee and wifi or you will be sad.

>>131280431

CLA is a turd on wheels.

>>131284921
Tesla itself is eco Jew sponsored by government, for suckers
I'm surprised it has support on /pol/

>>131285104
/pol/ support based GM that keeps jobs in the civilized world and still produce high end products at a fraction of the eurocucks

>>131285104
If anything it's coal-jew

>>131284534
>You faggots are so stupid you are literally going to strip a 2 ton death machine of vital buttons and functions that require quick access.

I don't know about you and your vital button pushing, but when I drive I turn on the lights, use the radio every now and then, maybe the AC, the turn signals and that's pretty much it

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>>131284876

Volvo is luxury to any turd on wheels you got over there.

Hell i doubt even German brands are competing with volvo when it comes to making a luxurious car.

>>131285235
It's all fuels Jew. You gotta charge that shit with something after all. The production of batteries itself releases as much CO2 as using diesel car for 8 years. Which is funny because I imagine 8 years old batteries in Tesla are gonna be trash and will need replacement way sooner. And of course add to that all the CO2 produced by power plants to charge the batteries.

It's a scam at this point in time.

>>131284921
>All this interior tech is just horse shit to keep the price point high when prices should otherwise be deflating due to over-production and deflation in the cost of the electronic components.

>deflation

you keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means

>>131284135
>mfw idiots don't realize it's impossible to use touch screens while driving
every little bump you hit throws off your fingers. Good luck adjusting HVAC or volume with a touchscreen. Even the euro vehicles with touchscreens have knobs as a secondary input for this reason.

>>131285515
>falling for the CO2 meme
There is nothing wrong with it, it's literally harmless

It's CO, ammonia, methane and other byproducts you should be worried about

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True cars come from Japan.

Rest are just metal boxes on wheelz

>>131285104
What's ironic is that all of the money Tesla makes will go to the divorce settlement of Elon Musk and Amber Heard.

>>131285441
>post trash-uv
Opinion discarded

>>131285518
And you're a fucking retard.
Electronics are deflationary because of constant downscaling and increased production automation. You have to be a fucking retard not to know this. You literally have to be stupid beyond mental retardation.
There is no way you can be a sentient human being without knowing this. I could dig up an old computer ad, but I don't have to because anybody worth talking to on here already knows this.

>>131274680
Ch eap shit car

>>131285183
>GM
>jobs in civilized world
you realize GM mostly assembles in Mexico right? They are also shit designs. Fuck, my friend's Cobalt has the battery hidden in the trunk with terminals in the hood area.
>Honda/Toyota
>manufacture in the US
Also, a pleasure to maintain. My civic has the battery in a sane place, oil filter and drain plug are easily accessible as is tranny drain plug and air filters.

>>131279433
why is there only one pedal there

>>131285764
>Electronics are deflationary because of constant downscaling and increased production automation.
more "technology is magic and will improve on it's own" bullshit from your average musk fanboy

>>131285999
>actually using the break
I bet you let strangers fuck your wife as well

>>131279848

>seahorse, paperclip still ongoing.

>>131283209

Electric cars are worse for the environment than normal cars

Charging wont stay free you idiots

>>131285987
What difference does it make if the battery is in the fucking trunk

>>131283328
Overheats after 6min on the autobahn lmao

>>131285987
>you realize GM mostly assembles in Mexico right? They are also shit designs. Fuck, my friend's Cobalt has the battery hidden in the trunk with terminals in the hood area.

The battery in trunk is a common design now. Underhood battery is literally from the previous millennia.

GM only has 2 factories in Mexico for the mexican market and 96 factories in the US.

Try again with your cuckmobile

>>131285441

>Volvo designed by a german.

>>131286122
are you retarded?
that's a manual, it needs a least another pedal for the clutch.

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>>131274889
Elon is better man than all of us combined.
Stop falling for the petro-coal jew. Or is it that you are being paid to do this?

>>131283380
Lol i want to wait 60minutes after every 50miles lol

>>131286065
I'm not even a musk fanboy.
You are a fucking retard. Catch up the fucking thread instead of spouting your ignorant mouth. I accused the entire electric car industry of being a meme industry fueled by government subsidies.

Technology isn't magic. But when you downscale integrated circuits the material cost decreases exponentially and the production yield increases exponentially.

>>131286349

It's not a manual.

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>tesla

>>131286445
>But when you downscale integrated circuits the material cost decreases exponentially and the production yield increases exponentially.
wrong

>>131284135

Non distracting

Needs to use a touchscreen for wipers


Kill yourself

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>>131274616

I wished they'd stop building cars for faggots and go back to when cars were sexy.

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>>131274616

>model 3

Literally a piece of junk designed by a Apple fanboy.

>>131275489
Ameriturds trying to build cars lmao


Pay 100k for a shitmobile wiith no quality

>>131286480
Correct. Leftmost pedal is actually the handbrake.

>>131286691
not an argument, the radical improvement back then was a matter of increased clock speeds more than anything else.

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>>131274680
>90s interiors will never come back

>>131286349

American driver ladies and gents. If it has a misterious stick in the middle he can't drive it.

>>131286445
as someone who works in the semiconductor industry, no, yields do not get better. Yes, they can shrink the transistors and die but yield doesn't improve. Smaller die means tighter tolerances and mechanical testing equipment also needs to be more precise.

Hell, depending on how new the process is, yields will be shit for the first few quarters at least. sometimes, they just deal with 20% yields to get product out the door.

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>>131285650
I never said I liked touchscreens. I agree they suck. But I do like spartan interiors.

Other than the digital tachometer in the dash I think the Honda S2000 has one of the best interiors ever. Buttons are simple and all oriented as close as possible to the steering wheel. Stereo can be hidden behind a folding panel so it isn't distracting. If it had a traditional analog tachometer and speedometer it would be perfect.

>>131286893
I hated those so much. They smelled like shit too. God I hated the 90s

>>131286329
This. It's actually better for the battery to be away from the engine bay since heat is bad for batteries. And so is extreme cold when you aren't in operation, and being burried in the trunk space gives it more insulation than being openly exposed under the hood.

Also they need more room under the hood for all the crappy turbo chargers and variable valve timing systems they like to slap on engines these days.

>>131274616

Nigger please. BMW already has hybrid technology available and they are moving to full electric as well. Germany is going electric and giving up on diesel. Tesla is cool but nothing beats a sweet 3 series with a naturally aspirated engine and an inline six.

>>131279722

Needs a new battery every 50k miles for 15k lmao

>>131286906
And I'm a rocket scientist and I fucked your mom, son.

>>131286909
Ever tried driving s2000? If your hand is lager than a 6 year old girl's... dis gun get gud.

Good luck holding the steering wheel without flipping 20 switches, let alone actually turning it.

>>131274616

Useless outside of typical daily driver, which has cheaper options.

For people wanting a long distance vehicle, they are shit.

For people wanting a basic daily driver? Get a Nissan Leaf.

For people wanting an electric luxury car? Sure. Pay the extra and enjoy replacing your batteries 3 years early because you don't live in the perfect constant environment for battery life. Oh and hope it doesnt freeze over since it'll just kill your battery life in an hour and leave you stranded.

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>>131286970
shit taste fempai

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>>131286893

>dodge daytona interior in the 90s

That M3 looks futuristic in comparison

>>131278926
>Tesla
>Good
Sorry I will stick with Lincoln, and Lexus.

Teslas have very little in terms of features for the price, not just that their cars are so ugly.

>>131280431
tesla will include a solar roof in future. With 24 hour charging it can give you 24 miles of range. The Sun is the power source now.

>>131286896
>>131286761

>It has a stick in the middle so it must be a manual.

You are seeing the 2, not 3 pedals right?

>>131287113
you realize how big the industry is, right? it's not difficult for someone to be involved in it.
t. semiconductor test engineer at wafer and package level

>all these non /o/ posters who can't tell this thing is already poised to be garbage.
Enjoy killing the environment faster.

>>131286793
What is Moore's law

>>131287189
I have driven one and I've never had that problem. And I've never heard anybody complain of that either. You are either full of shit or a completely uncoordinated idiot.

>>131282288
Fact noone wants to own a shitty ecar because they are shit for the environment

>>131287316
an observation made a long time ago. not a law, fuckwit. what are you going to do next, tell me fusion is just 5 minutes away because that asian man on the discovery channel said so?

>>131287207
I just hate them. When someone has a 90s BMW and it still smells like plastic and polyester 25 years later. They all look brittle, you can see where the plastic was soldered, and the chairs are uncomfortable

>>131287297
>there's a lot of spoilage at the design/test phase
Wow, really makes me think.

>>131287285

>Get stranded on a rainy day in his broken toy

Delusional Amerilards are the best.

Well the personal observations of 2 people who interjected without actually bothering to read the thread definitely invalidates decades of well documented market deflation on the electronics market.

I am certainly BTFO here. Please forgive me Jesus.

>>131287295
Dude. I agreed with you that it's not a manual. What's the problem now?

>You: it's not a manual
>Me: Correct
>You: whargarbl

>>131283052
Underrated, have a (You)

>>131287207
Fuck I miss my g60.

>>131287420
Nope, most electronic components are tested before being used in their end application. Why spin a wafer and blind package die which you don't know will work? It's cheaper to test devices at wafer and package level than put it in-system and realize it doesn't work there.

Especially if you get X-Fab to make your wafer, don't expect more than 90% yields on a simple design.

>>131279848

>all that plastic

that shit is going to CREAK like mad in a year or two

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>>131282288

> 5 car companies on that list are either chinese scams or bankrupt.

Only Tesla isn't struggling, cuz it sucks on that Gobment tit. But once that well runs out the hippies in California aren't going to keep them afloat.

>>131287207
>>131287210
i miss these skinny steering wheels
modern cars have fat puffy ones like>>131286909 or wrose

Tesla is retarded lmfao
where do you think they get their energy from when you plug it in? Fucking retarded goys LOL

yes and we can just be more competitive by selling our energy to everyone else

Good luck Elon!

>>131287550
Rain doesn't make the sun go away ffs. All you need is waiting for a few hours and the car has some juice to go again. Suprisingly the slower an electric car goes the more charge it conserves.

>>131287669
yep, tape-out isn't the end of the story for electronics. Timing a bitch

>>131287850
It's still more efficient to centrally generate the electricity and then create mechanical motion through an electric motor than it is to operate individual internal combustion engines all over the place.

The environmental meme comes from the production/life cycle of the batteries.

>>131280988
you forgot to hide your leaf, or perhaps your confidence is still bolstered from the sniper story.

>>131274616
Like all first year models, I'll let some other doofus figure out what's wrong with them first and consider it once they've fixed everything that was broken.

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>>131288069

>>131287785

Like most >2 year old Teslas lol.

Anyone seen that shit after some wear and tear ? It looks like shit.

>>131287951
(((efficient)))
the entire point of ICEs is that they're portable and don't need a connection to the grid to function.
teslas will remain a fad like the leaf.

>>131279433
>$70,000 car
>everything covered in plastic shit
>fisher price screen with huge bezels

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>>131287888

>Waiting for my car to catch its breath

Dat retro swag

>>131274616
What's the price tag? Price will conclude it's success in the long run. with production numbers like you've stated surely it'll be the middle america midle class car killer.

>>131288321
You stupid faggot. I wasn't denying any of that. You literally need to KYS. The only reason you even bothered responding to that post was because you were salty for getting called out on your other shit. A de facto ad hominem. Literal shit tier bants. You belong on fucking Tumblr.

>>131280431
>talking up the FWD CLA
lmaoing@urlifetbqhfam

>>131284534
Wing mirror temprature control.
Dual cabin climate control.
Fan speed buttons everywhere.
Yep there totally life and death controlling buttons

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>>131274616
CAN I GET ONE WITHOUT A GIANT TOUCHSCREEN IN THE DASHBOARD
YOU FAT SOUTH AFRICAN KEK

>>131274616
Im a pirate so this doesnt concern me

>>131288545
>getting called out on your other shit.
you're the one getting BTFO by someone involved in the semiconductor industry, but I'M the one who got called out?

rig up a rifle 3 km away and kill yourself with it.

>>131288473
Oh God we should use steam cars!
i didn't know they existed forget electric cars.

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>>131288425

>can drive it after my fisher price screen breaks
>hot sunny day, your tesla screen gets fucked, you cook yourself inside it.

Americuh Fuck Yeah

>>131274616
Is there any profit in flipping it?

>>131283258
He's right though. That's the price before tax incentives.

Senior Mechanical Design Engineer here at Tesla. I can't say much, but I can say that you should stay away from the S series. It has a known defect with it.

>>131284674
>2 hours
>implying you can drive 125mph anywhere in the US

KYS shill

>>131286405
30 minutes for 200+ miles.

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>>131274616
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

>>131285999
Taking away your brake pedal is the ultimate redpill, goy.

>>131287256
>safest
>fastest production cars in the world

Really ignorant desu.

>>131288881
>>131288890
>mfw my normal 10 hour ski route to SW Colorado has no Tesla chargers on US 50
>mfw fuel up my Civic twice on the way in less than 10 minutes
sure, i guess they'd be nice in the city. but the US is so spread out I doubt they will ever put more Tesla chargers on the US highways. Interstates seem covered though.

Daily reminder:


Electric car sales TANK as soon as the gbument takes away incentives.

>>131289045

Energy cost to make a car vs cost of petrol for few years of operation of a normal car.
Just assuming that petrol cars materialise out of air and cost nothing to make.
You see the flaw in the logic?

>>131274616
Tesla still loses something like $2B a year. Its a meme company

>>131289159
>Safest

For now. You'll be singing a different tune in a few months when these batteries hit their 'spontaneous reaction' point from decay and every S becomes a VBIED.

>>131289223
The point is that electric cars aren't even remotely green.

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Whats wrong having buttons and shit in my car at my fingertips ?

What happens if i want to use the aircon and radio controls at the same time, cuz i like that.
How many laggy menus do i have to go trough in my Teslol ?

>>131288828
prove it.

>>131279308
Nothing better sums up the fall of Germany like what has happened to BMW, Mercedes, and Audi post-2003 or so.

>>131274680
that smudgy screen is giving me cancer

regardless i hope to god tesla kills conventional dealerships

imagine if you had to buy cereal or a bycicle from a dealership

why is this even allowed?

these cars are dead on arrival, why?

A/C, normal car compressors are just tied to the engine so people dont notice the small reduction in horsepower

the tesla has to run a compressor straight off the battery that draws a huge amount of amperage, so they short the compressor and put a baby one in, look at all the tesla reviews every single one complains about the A/C

Fat americans wont be able to drive a couple miles before passing out in these

>>131274680
I see a lot of young professionals just starting to make good money buying these
like moving up from a good economy car
the interior is the main reason why I don't think that it will pull existing customers from Mercedes/BMW
that self-driving thing is going to have to be really good

>>131288578

CLA is trash tier garbage. Just man up and get a c class if you want an entry level Mercedes

>>131289343
This. All your handles and shit came to be over decades of evolution and design towards a comfortable control method that can be used without taking your eye off the road

A touchscreen will just cause accidents

>>131289452
You have obviously never been to Oklahoma in june

>>131289223
Its not for the whole car. Literally just the battery. Which kind of nulls the whole point of a "green" car

>>131289331

They use like 2.4-3.5 times less energy if powered by the same fossile fuel like burning the gas/coal/oil in the power plant with 60%+ efficiency vs pathetic ice that is lucky to get 25% and EV are much more efficient as an architecture.

Teslas are expensive as hell and subsidies have little impact on these as when car starts at 70k.Model S has outcompeted S class and other from its market segment it is not a damn corolla to sell in millions of units

>>131289426
are you buying your cereal directly from the plant?

>>131289530

First generation models are usually not really working out - the new cla is looking to be nice though.

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>>131289622

>burger cars
>safety

kek

>>131274616
>Analysts say they will be able to build 80k cars by the end of 2017, and Tesla says they will be able to build 10k cars a week by the end of 2018, easily building the 500k reservations by then.
hahahahaha
>believing these production numbers
they have never once come anywhere near their targets, and they're about to get assfucked hard when states individually realize they can just not implement any new emissions controls. some states might even roll theirs back, effectively undoing the paris accord, completely eliminating the value of the federal subsidy that virtually every single tesla buyer relies on when they pick that thing over any other car.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-11/its-confirmed-without-government-subsidies-tesla-sales-implode

>>131289202
>this specific thing I do, that 99% of the people in the world don't, is the reason why this car sucks

KYS retard

>>131289827
This study is retarded because making an engine block of an ICE is also energy intensive as fuck and getting from iron ore and petrol to a BMW 3 series in the dealership also takes MWh of energy on all stages.

>>131286893
>putting reverse where 1st belongs

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Theres a reason no one buys American cars outside America.

>>131283695
You aren't the target market.

>>131290105
uh, road trips are a thing. not everywhere is accessible by interstate.

>>131288146

Can confirm - i tested a first generation tesla s owned by someone regretting buying it, feels like an 80years opel kadett, when gm cut their money supply.

just look at how fucking butthurt they are:

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/paris-accords-will-succeed-despite-trump

don't you know losers when you see them? tesla's dead in the water.

>tfw battery technology is holding us back from a glorious golden age of electric muscle cars

Industrial DC motors can get 20k RPM. Gotta get that graphene senpai

>>131290305
yeah bullshit, i'm always surprised to see people wanting fords out of country; on livestreams etc

>>131290118
The whole "study" is complete bullshit.
Just a click bait article on some Swedish blog.

This is how fake news works.

>>131274616
Self driving cars are a meme. They will never be ubiquitous

>>131290413
When you buy a Ford build for the European market it's similar quality to other European cars.

Only Tesla's have that shitty American build.

>>131290329
Nobody is buying a tesla for once-a-year roadtrips. Retard.

>>131274616
>implying they aren't part of the dealership mafia
fucking meme cars a killing me.

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>>131279433
in the instrumentation design engineering world this is called "operator overload" and is the number one reason for crashing

>>131290413
I always wanted, since i was a little kid, that red stang from the opening credits of the perfect strangers. I just fell in love with stangs back then.

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>>131274680
>>131274616
too much electronic garbage, I just want 4 wheels and an engine.

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>>131290413

EU Ford and US Ford are two different animals, you know that right ? (i hope)

EU ford is basically German made with the a Ford badge lol

>>131290674
>"operator overload" and is the number one reason for crashing

>hurr let me pull something out of my ass.

#1 reason is speeding and #2 reason is drunk driving.

>>131285343
I c
>>131286906
Say that to amd's 80% yields lol

>>131290856
When will this meme end? There is no difference between a us spec fiesta and a euro fiesta

Same with the Mondeo and the fusion

>>131278926

you give americans a bad name, fucking retard

>>131288425
Not to mention completely computer controlled.

>>131280215
bullshit. also, the teslas are the safest cars ever tested because they aren't filled with a goddamned internal combustion engine and all the associated bullshit that comes with it
just take the dick up your ass and like it, faggot

>>131290645
>Nobody is buying a tesla for once-a-year roadtrips. Retard.

This is why the government should let you keep your old petrol car free from road taxes when you buy an electric car.

Many more people will switch when they can do their daily commute electric but also have a spare car for longer distances.

>>131290900
all vehicles including boats and airplanes

>>131291136
Welcome to XXI century every device more complex than a toaster is controlled by a computer