At what age did you realize communism was good and soviets were

>>131261343
Are you Russian separatist ?

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>>131261343
Sorry I'm not a retard.

>>131261516
No. Back in soviet times everyone had jobs and people were happier. Now most folks are gay who emigrate immediately after high school.

Was this before or after you saw your first college tuition bill? Should comrade Bernie have made college free so you can live your life without those mean capitalist pigs stop harassing you while you party instead of work?

>>131261616
that looks like fun

>>131261343
>At what age did you realize communism was good and soviets were the good guys who fixed eastern europe?
13
and then I turned 15

>>131262104
U skipped 14?

Ofc they were fkin happier back then, everyone was, but communism is still shit

>>131263251
Oh btw i'm from lithuania, just having a holiday here

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>>131261343
Retard alert

>>131261343
You are a shame to your country.

Only russian minorities and stupid old people support communism in my country (that is, lithuania, i'm chilling in spain)

>>131261974
World in Conflict, pretty good strategy game about USSR attacking Europe and USA in the 80's.

>>131261343
At age 19 I learned that constantly being half-starved, living in apartment shared with 4 unrelated families and fearing to say anything that is against current Narrative is actually not common in the world and our regime is fucked beyond saving. And then it crumbled completely due to inner pressure and thorough corruption of entire ruling class.

Anyone who believes in "communism" is either clinically retarded or despicable, sociopathic scum who hopes to be the one pillaging, torturing and killing.

>>131261343
When I was 13 I thought Communism was cool, then I realized how fucked minorities are and had to flee Yugoslavia.

>>131261343
t. russian diaspora.

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>>131261343
>communism was good
>communism
>good
>lithuania

wew lad, edgy

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>>131261343
As a Lithuania, I'm disgraced by you.

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Beautiful communist paradise! So good they have to build walls to keep the capitalists out!

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>>131264269
Look at these vile capitalists trying to sneak in! Who do they think they are?

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>>131264340
Better shoot them dead!

Oh, wait. That was an East German. Oops.

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>>131264376
Must have been a fluke. Got lost, right?
After all, who'd want to leave beautiful Socialist Paradise?
Right?

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>>131264436
Right, guys?
It's not like esteemed Party Members entrusted with the latest and greatest jets use them to defect...
Right?

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12

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>He thinks capitalism is any better
Calm down Schlomo

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>>131264485
I mean, sure, okay, a few million fled communism here... and there.. and some other places...

>>131263599
>how fucked minorities are
this is bad why?

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>>131261343
granny tales much?
kys and sage

>>131261343
How the fuck can you say that as a Lithuanian? Your people suffered so horribly under Communism. It destroyed so much of your culture.
You're either a spoilt little asshole with no self awareness at all or you're a troll.
Your parents should kick your ass.

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>>131264592
Maybe if we just put up some more guards it'll keep them from lea-- I mean, the capitalists from coming in, right?

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You need to be remove.
Nationalism won and your retarded system collapsed.

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>>131261343
Could there be a relation?

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>>131264689
Or we could just send their families to re-education camps to remind them of how great their Socialist Paradise is...

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>>131261343
No realations what so ever

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>>131264780
Maybe bill their families for the cost of some... you know, expenses.
Like bullets. Those are expensive, you know. Can't waste the People's bullets on frivolous things like executions.

>>131261343
>Communists were the good guys
Good guys order their troops to march into gunfire or be mowed down by their own men behind them, whom are also killed if they disobey?

Commies.

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>>131264865
You know, the People's money and labor is better spent on their bountiful wealth of food, after all.

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>>131264746
The memes were true after all

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>>131264914
The ones we want eating, anyway.

Only a few can see the truth, but Russia and Cuba are doing a great job. Just wait for all the fucktards to run out of fuel and then Russia will start exporting their fuel to other countries at higher prices. Or maybe just use it to run their vehicles to conquer Europe and nuke the USA.

>>131264780
>describing the jewish/marxist Soviet empire as "socialist"
Good goy

So college age. What a coincidence.

I wonder if your parents sent you to college in the hopes of you becoming a communist, or if they actually wanted you to make something of yourself and be a respectable citizen.

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>>131264985
Well, good riddance to all those refugees anyway. They were kulaks anyway!

>>131265068
Don't you have another forum to shit up, stormweenie?

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>>131261343
Sage


Fuck off back to Re d it

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>>131265185
-all- those refugees. Every last one of them, counterrevolutionaries!

>fixed Eastern Europe

helicopter is waiting

>>131261343
Never. I used to mock my 7th grade middle school teacher for wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and hanging up Obama posters(2008).

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>>131265050
Sure it's not just because their economies are so crippled by their own stupidity that they can't even viably compete on a global scale?
Or did you forget that Venezuela, sitting on a fortune of oil wealth, has fucked it all up so bad with nationalization that they're now importing refined oil from the US?
I guess this is what happens when bus drivers run the country.

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>>131265400
Beautiful

>>131261343
Bolsheviks were satanist butchers.

Stalin and Kruschev made the best out of a bad situation.

>>131261343
We have to do something about our low national IQ. This thread is just embarrassing.

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>>131265185
no you

>>131265600
You gypsies didn't maintain it

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>>131265726
They looked like shit the day they were built

>>131261343
So many great Russians were killed due to Stalin and his insecurity

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>>131265702
Socialists are a cancer on the face of the earth regardless of if they come in "Stateless internationalist" or National Socialist form.

Either go take a helicopter ride, or follow your leader.

>>131261343
at the age of 11 i realised the Soviet Union were the good guys

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>>131261343
Bolsheviks were financed by Rothshild

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>>131266027
Good goy

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>>131266027
Capitalism is a lie, it gives people the illusion of """the American dream""" even though everyone will be born and die with the same socio-economic status, you can't have a nation (nonetheless a superpower) without slaves.
The only reason you faggots live comfortable lifes is because you're in deep debt and the only option of making quick money is wars.
Don't worry, you'll probably see hell in your lifetime :^)

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>one man's diatribe
>tells someone else to stop shitting up a thread

ohhhh livin' in americaaaa

You are a fucking disgusting american, here where I live, is a very touristic place and every time at night that I see a drunk american i beat the shit out of him and leave him unconscious in the floor. When he wakes up he feels the pain in his face and his balls but can't remember anything. That's exactly what will happen to the USA when you run out of fuel. And remember that Trump is on Russia's side. He won the elections just to prove to the rest of the world that the USA is a cancer and we must give it some radiotherapy, a few nukes will be enough.

>>131266481
>implying he's white

>>131266593
>You are a fucking disgusting american
Actually, I was born in Moscow, and I'm quite thankful that my family had the good sense to get the hell out of Socialist Paradise when they had a chance to.

>>131266582
I sense a lot of butthurt relating to the failed ideology you're supporting
>>131266643
Same goes for you.

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Why do communist posts always get slided so hard? Because no one here is communist

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>>131261343
You have to go back.

>>131261343
I never believed otherwise comrade

>>131267271
Actually you were born in Moscow but you family is full of cowards and they only run away. Fuck the refugees in the ass and send them back to their fucking caves. And if your family ran away from Moscow is because they had the money to do it, and if you got the US Visa is because they had the money too. The US is full of retards that can only speak one language, they only look themselves into a mirror while masturbating and then jizz all over the flag of their loved country. That kind of nationalism has no fucking sense because at least nazis were not uncultured obese faggots. 9/11 was supposed to make them think but the rest of the world learned that americans can't think.

>>131261343
>kill anyone who tries to leave
>jail anyone who dares speak out
>starve everyone as there is no food
>communism was good

Whew lad, you sure communism was good?

>>131261343
Die.

>>131263534
Whenever I've spoken to people who actually lived under communist rule, they all hated it for things just like what you said. OP should be shot from a cannon into Cuba.

>>131261343
I was 12, but I grew out of it by 19

>>131268813
>Whenever I've spoken to people who actually lived under communist rule, they all hated it for things just like what you said.
Speak to me then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhD6SlV43YI

>>131268581
as sure as i'm sure that lgbt is an illness

>>131261343
22 playing devil survivor 2 for the 3ds
Communism, egalitarianism is the best outcome to sustain humanity. Even if I dislike it.
Meritocracy progresses humanity but will always be usurped by some egalitarian faggot.

If you cant beat em, join em

>>131261343
18, grew out of it by 25.

>>131261343
>communism was good and soviets were the good guys
>never experienced it

you deserve the gulag

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>>131261343
Daily reminder that there has never been a successful communist society

>>131261343
Communism propaganda has literally destroyed the west. Your Marxist bulls hit evolved to the post modernist identity politics that's infects the west today.

Your poison has been accepted as fact by our media and our teachers and our politicians. On top of the 100,000,000 you killed in the last century you are going to be the death of western civilization this century.

Fuck you and fuck your communism.

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Good work mate! Saved me the effort of firing up the old gulag photos.

>>131272824
Stalin's USSR was by all measures very successful, if you don't believe in CIA death tolls.

>>131273210
"Cultural Marxism" has nothing to do with Marxism. Karl Marx spoke against something similar to identity politics.

>100 million
This number is simply not supported by statistics. It's harder to estimate the deaths in China, but it's highly unlikely that they were this high seeing the massive increase in population.

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>>131274273
>Karl Marx spoke against something similar to identity politics

I bet you are a retarded slavnigger cuck

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
>The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality. The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.

>>131274273
It has everything to do with marxism. When the Marxists figured out that communism wasn't going to happen they switched from class warfare to cultural warfare. Same tune different key.

Even the conservative estimates have communism killING more than everyone who died in world War 2. Stallin alone, in the ducking conservative estimate, killed 30 million of his own people. 6 million Ukrainians alone.

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>>131274064
And where is the USSR today?

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>lithuanian flag
>praising communism
Hmmm, who could it be?

>>131261343
I'm listening to the Gulag Archipelago right now and he spends literally the first 4 hours describing the groups that were rounded up and imprisoned as political prisoners. This is to say nothing of other criminals or degeneracy. For the next two hours he has been describing how these people were tortured to compel confessions. There was literally no reason or justice to any of this. Socialism is the great cancer that came out of 18th-19th century.

>>131274468
I'm Norwegian and that quote/text imply that something like the USSR is what he wanted. However he and Engels (and Lenin and Stalin) advocated for national self-determination. They also opposed economic migration.

Remember that Marx was Jewish and didn't have any special ethnic loyalty to Germany, so he didn't want to see this as an obstacle (meaning that all the Jews in Europe had no country). Personally I think all Jews and non-Europeans should move out of Europe, preferably to Israel/their respective countries - because ethnic nationalism will always exist as long as the nation is alive. And the nation is important.

>>131274773
>It has everything to do with marxism
But that is simply false. It doesn't align with Marxism and doesn't bring us closer to the take-over of the proletariat, rather the opposite! Marx would oppose it.

NOT at all the same tune, different measures and different goals.

>Even the conservative estimates
But this is the trick, they placed the conservative estimate at like 10 million all the way to an estimate of 60 million (in the USSR alone) making people believe just like you that the credible number would be the ones in-between. The fact is that even 10 million is very hard to account for. In Russia and Ukraine, there was a slight population increase even with the Civil War, 30s draught and WW2. Millions of people dying like this would be very hard to account for. Unless you count EVERYONE that died, including old people and sick peopl.

>30 million
>Conservative number
Wild imagination by CIA "historians" like Robert Conquest, a literally professional anti-Communist

>>131275013
Where is the Roman Empire?

I realized it back when I was like 13 or 14. Then I got a little bit older, and realized how fucking retarded I had been.

>>131274773
>Stallin alone, in the ducking conservative estimate, killed 30 million of his own people
Wat? Where did you get this number?

>>131275610
>Natalya Reshetovskaya, the wife of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, said in her memoirs that The Gulag Archipelago was based on "campfire folklore" as opposed to objective facts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/06/world/natalya-reshetovskaya-84-is-dead-solzhenitsyn-s-wife-questioned-gulag.html

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>>131275923
An empire that lasted about 2,000 years and who left such a powerful mark on the world that to this day people try to emulate them and numerous claims have been made about being their successors? Compared to the Soviets I'd say they were pretty successful.

>>131276222
Checked. Please archive it
https://archive.is/glANo

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>>131261343

Red means braindead

>>131276262
>the bot even checks for doubles and more

noice
>>131276229
People fly the USSR flag all the times.

>>131261343
>soviets were the good guys
lel more like good goys

>>131275898
Mate just because the population increased slightly doesn't mean jack shit. The population double everywhere else, several times even. We have been in the middle of a global population boom for the last century. The population is 7 times what it was 120 years ago. Having an only slight increase, when it should have doubled, means 10s of millions of people died.

Soviet Russia was a complex economic hodgepodge of fledgling socialist ideals and state capitalism. Democratic worker control of the means of production didn't meaningfully exist and this is the reason why people say that Soviet Russia, China, Cambodia, DPRK isn't 'real' communism. In any of these circumstances internal and external forces tore communism apart, and distorted it's ideals into the authoritarian reverse as the only means of holding onto it. The US's incredibly hostile foreign policy towards any signs of worker control (look at Chile) show that global capitalism had to work hard to stomp out the fire of communism and it's all but succeeded imo.

I guess I'm a communist, definitely not a tankie or an ancom but somewhere in between, recognising the need for both horizational grassroots organisation and the ability the scale via leadership, organisational structure and hierarchy (still beholden to a democratic process).

Regardless of the strong ethical reasons for supporting socialism, it makes sense economically. Capitalism had led to 80 people owning 51% of the worlds wealth, stagnating wages in western countries and economic oblivion in many third world countries - it has led to a monopolisation of most industries, and multiple global crises of recession.


Also - to all the nazi's on this board, not to satisfy me, but to satisfy yourself, can you please check out Wilhelm Reich's 'The Mass Psychology of Fascism.' I think 4chan is a brilliant example of some of the things he was getting at in that text.

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>>131276410
>People fly the USSR flag all the times.
Antifa and Russians maybe, I've never seen a single person flying the USSR flag.

>>131276222
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

I forget where I got 30 million but even the soviets admitted he killed 20 million. Considering their history of cover up, it's most likely much higher.

>>131276474
>Stalin was a genocidial bastard who killed millions of gorillions
>population increased

>when it should have doubled
Says who?

>>131261343
All of the atrocities that happened under communist regimes were flukes and extenuating circumstances, right? Communist sympathy is pretty much a litmus test for understanding of human nature

>>131276698
antifa fly the ... ussr flag?

I can't believe the levels of stupidity on this board. Never an attempt to engage with the opposition, just the mindless grouping of similarly linked terms into strawmen arguments for what seems like pure masturbatory reasons

>>131261343
KeK stupid faggot.
Communism eradicated half of his nation, still thinks it's good.
Go suicide yourself - no value will be lost.

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>>131261343
Communism really is supirior

>>131276229
I agree that they were successful, but that they don't exist anymore isn't an argument. Is your argument that the USSR wasn't successful because it lasted for a relatively short period of time?

>>131276474
>Having an only slight increase, when it should have doubled
It should have doubled from 1922 (Stalin take-over) until 1953, 21 years? What is WW2?

I beleive you are pulling this one out of your ass.

Fact: people in communist countries live better, happier lives and are more educated than capitalists.

They don't have to worry about getting robbed and live a life of equality. Communists were even the first to go to space! We would've gone to the moon were it not for capitalists literally burning people alive in their space ships just to go for greed rather than the betterment of humanity like the Soviets.

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This

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Supermarket in Soviet Union 1990 (Colorized)

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>>131276841
>antifa fly the...ussr flag?
Antifa isn't exactly filled with geniuses, you know.

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You don't need wealth in a communist society. You think communists are poor but they have everything. Free housing, free food, free education. They don't need to waste wealth on constantly needing to live.

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>>131276932
>Is your argument that the USSR wasn't successful because it lasted for a relatively short period of time?
They lasted a short period of time, in which a lot of people died of their own failures, and in which the population lived in poverty. They weren't even brought down by enemy forces, they just sort of collapsed in on themselves.

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>fixed

>>131277147
>and in which the population lived in poverty
Relatively to Western Europe that had a 100 year headstart, or relatively to Tsarist Russia with it's serfdom?

>they just sort of collapsed in on themselves
Much like the Roman Empire

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>>131277129
>Free housing, free food, free education
"Here's an old rickity shack for you to live in, here's some moldy bread and vodka to drink away that depression, and here's your education on how to pretend to work in a factory for 10 hours a day. Have fun!"

>>131276988
But that would be during the Capitalist take-over

>>131276679
>can you please check out Wilhelm Reich's 'The Mass Psychology of Fascism.'
will do, looks like a interesting reading

>>131276709
>In all, Mr. Medvedev calculated about 40 million victims of Stalin's repressions, including those arrested, driven from their land or blacklisted.
> including those arrested, driven from their land or blacklisted.

Learn to read what you post, retard

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>Relatively to Western Europe that had a 100 year headstart
That's no excuse for East Germany or Poland who experience poverty yet weren't under Tsarist rule.

>Much like the Roman Empire
They were brought down by the Ottomans. Other groups, like the Huns and Germanic barbarians, played a role in that too.

>>131277289
I didn't know we were talking about capitalism! Look at how the rich live in America while the poor are literally dying. The rich GOP is taking away healthcare from everyone, school lunches from poor people. And you call that great.

Resist!

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there is no thing like free shit!! fucking communists

>>131276948
Fact: people in "communist" countries lived much shorter lives, full of misery. I'll never forget staying in queue for 5 hours to buy small piece of meat, because its sister's birthday and we saved up whole year to afford it.
It was pretty funny "equality": educated engineer was earning same as drunkard at factory who literally does nothing at workplace (because he can't be fired anyway), and couldn't even spend money because shops were always empty. All while party apparatchik would earn 100x more and would have access to special nomenclature-only shops stuffed with delicacies and "deficit".
Whenever simple workers would dare to ask for better living conditions, "communists" would just machine-gun everyone and claim they were foreign spies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassk_massacre

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>>131277129
Pic related average ''free housing''.

>>131264153
this fucking bitch will hang withing 50 years

long live russia and revolution

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>>131277488
Oh, I agree with you. Capitalism is a sickness that plagues our nations, and needs to be done away with.

>>131265839
buildings look shitty, but landscaping is superb

>>131265600
This have nothing to do with comunism. It is just what happen when you give things to Gypsies.

>>131261343
op fag
fixed east europe? last time I checked east europe was the biggest shithole ever

>>131277459
>East Germany
>Poland
Dragged down by the steppe countries and by the fact that they were satelite states. Nationalism is very important in driving a country forward (high trust societies, low corruption, motivated population and so on). Not so important in countries like the US that is heavily based on imperialism.

Relatively to the rest of the world, I don't think Poland is much better off today than they were under the USSR really. And now Poland has an ecomomy that benefits somewhat from Imperialism.

>>131277459
>They were brought down by the Ottomans. Other groups, like the Huns and Germanic barbarians, played a role in that too.
The US and other countries did also play a role in the collapse of the USSR. However the main reason was internal struggles just like in the Roman Empire.

>They were brought down by the Ottomans
Calling the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire is like calling Russia "USSR". It's an even further stretch actually, seeing that the Capital wasn't even Rome.

>>131277527
Mate, don't bother with them. Their dumbarse Americans LARPing as commies because they got a useless degree and can't admit they fucked up so they blame their failure on the system. They're the product of "Everyone's a winner!" style teaching so they turn to a system that promises to make everyone a winner for them.

>>131261343
>communism was good and soviets were the good guys who fixed eastern europe?
oh God, I wish I was like western europeans and get offended, but that is just funny. Almost brought tears to my eyes.

>>131276773
Says the rest of the world. While the soviets were struggling to maintain a population, the rest of the world was so prosperous our populations doubled, several times.

>>131277527
That's because you let capitalism into your country comrade! Early Soviet society was the greatest culture in history. Late soviet society failed because they reformed into capitalism. My professors mentions this all the time and it's always lost on you. If Soviet education was still as amazing as it was and Russia didn't have capitalism, you'd also understand.

>>131277570

Wow racist. You're posting Soviet buildings in a capitalist era where the landlords extract great and wealth from its inhabitants rather than uniting with the people inside.

>>131261343
When I was 13, then at 19 I grew out of it.

>>131278461
You forgot that a war was waged inside USSR, the bloodiest war in history.

>our populations doubled, several times.
Over what time period?

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Communism created the 7 day workweek. Great job!

>>131277409
Learn to read yourself faggot. It says right there that 20 million of them died.

>>131278719
20 million capitalists died?

Not enough imo

People typically abandon communism when they reach puberty.

At 8 y.o I wondered publically why things could not just be free. Then I grew up. Money is proof of work, nothing more. But without it we are fucked.

>>131262104
>At what age did you realize communism was good and soviets were the good guys who fixed eastern europe?
13
and then I turned 15

>At what age did you realize ANCAPs are the good guys who will fix America?
15
and then I turned 17

>>131279099
>Then I grew up.
I'm sorry you grew up learning how to exploit people with capitalism you piece of shit.

>>131278486
There was no capitalism in 1960s in USSR, illiterate moron.
Any kind of enterpreneurship was outlawed and you would face long jail times even for repairing some neighbor's electronics and taking anything in return.
>Early Soviet society
I'm curious what do you even mean with this.
USSR had following periods:
- Civil war. Millions dead, entire country completely devastated, with many regions depopulated. Major famines going on.
- New Economic Policy: facing complete devastation of country and being unable to fix it by killing more people, Lenin gave up and allowed capitalism. USSR quickly recovered from war because of NEP
- Early Stalinism: NEP cancelled, everyone who was too successful during it was executed
- Pre-War Stalinism: executioners were executed too, army was executed, communist party members were executed, engineers were executed
- WW2: half of country occupied, dozens of millions died from famine and razing and pillaging from both sides
- Post-War Stalinism: things relaxed a bit due to influx of pillaged goods from europe. Staling confronted united west and needed many new modern weapons so engineers weren't executed for a while.
- Khrushchev: stalinists were executed, USSR was still in full anti-west paranoia, common people were put in psych wards or executed on whim. Idiotic decisions in all industries brought USSR in full dependence on west mode, most of food was imported from Canada. Even fucking oil pipes had to be imported from "capitalists". USSR at this point became banana republic holding only on gas and oil exports, and never recovered from it. Separation into nomenclature elites and bydlo was institutionalized, things like Novocherkassk massacre were happening across whole country as living standards were plunging down even compared to Stalinist times.

>>131276709
>Paper from 1989
>By a son of an alleged traitor that got arrested in 38 and died in prison camp
Why do you consider this credible?

>>131279730
It shifted over to state capitalism dumbass. Maybe you need to start learning actual history.

>>131279730
Marxist Socialism = Worker's control over production and poltical power. Was this the case in 60's USSR?

>>131279883
>how do u exploit ppl with freedom, braindamaged cuck ?

Maybe if you knew anything, which you don't, you will see that by starving people and forcing them into slavery for their most basic rights and needs of housing, food, and education, there is no freedom. Just slavery. AKA Capitalism which is entirely based upon a feudal structure.

>>131279730
And Stalin executing everone everywhere is a meme

>>131279891
You're obviously a troll, but some dumbass might believe you.

seriously though

>schooling a russian on russian history

it's almost as dumb as communism

>>131279999
>Was this the case in 60's USSR?
It was never the case in any USSR period.
Its literally impossible.

>>131280067
No, its reality.
He executed many high-ranking people in CHK and Army, and most of these cases are still mystery. Many Russian historicians, especially left-leaning, tried to figure why would he kill heroes like Tukhachevsky, and there's simply no logical explanation.

>>131261343
not sure if just cuck or ivan impersonating lithuanian cuck
either way, fuck off, you cunt

>>131278719
>>131278719
>It says right there that 20 million of them died.
No, it says that 7 million+ died of unnatural deaths.

The other numbers include exiled and improisoned people. Doesn't the US have like 6-7 million prisoners at any time?

>>131261343
When west became even more degenerate.
Or when american fighters against communism declared jihad.
Or when former gommie nations, while quite poor, are not fucking retarded to believe in kumbaya BS, also, MIRACULOSLY preserving their culture and, mostly, not falling into degeneration capitalism provides.

>>131265514
>By their own stupidity

Weird naming for the American's phobias of having whole Wall Street and Beverly Hills executed.

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Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

>Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
>Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become >increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
>Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
>Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
>Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. >A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
>Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
>A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
>Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
>Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
>Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

How old were you when you realised antifa and commies are literally cultists?

>>131265683
Stalin.

Khruschev escaped repressions only by sheer luck and start of WW2

>>131261343
15.
Then, when I was about 20 I realized I was retarded and brainwashed.

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Communism teached us how to read between lines,and united us in the hate against communism.
You know nothing,son.

>>131267271

>Actually, I was born in Moscow

Russian (((emigrant))) talking.

>>131280255
>It was never the case in any USSR period
Some argue that the USSR was heading that way, but WW2 and the death of Marxist ideology within the USSR reversed it.

>He executed many high-ranking people in CHK and Army
Maybe because they were traitors and saboteurs? I believe the assasination of Sergey Kirov started the processes.

>>131273210
>Communism propaganda has literally destroyed the west.

No, your ideological subversion by degeneracy bit you in the ass.

>Your Marxist bulls hit evolved to the post modernist identity politics

You shouldn't try to use it to show how "free and progressive" you are in comparison to USSR.

>Fuck you and fuck your communism.

Not USSR fault you amerisharts were so mad about USSR, you both created Islamic terrorism and "Cultural Marxism".

All because you were afraid that someone will decide to burn your (((jahbgivers))) alive

>>131278719
>>131280419
Not 6-7 million in jail but;
"under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2013"

>>131261343
>National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
>Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin, 1931

>>131280867
>traitors and saboteurs
criticizing Stalin didn't make them traitors. Maybe they had Russian people's best interest in mind and that subverted the real communist power.

>>131275610

>Gulag Archipelago

Written by a snitch who wrote letters specifically to get out of war, was treated for cancer in the le ebil gulag and was so much of despicable being, he dragged his own friend, wife and some noname together with him.

If these are glorious anticommunist fighters, thanks, I will rather have Politburo.

>>131264522
I'd definitely say all the wealth and freedom is way better living in poverty (at least we're all equally impoverished aye comrade heh heh) in a dystopian totalitarian state but idk

maybe you're right they're basically the same

>>131278461

AYO HOL UP

SO YOU SAYN

AFRICA IS MORE PROSPEROUS AND NIGGERS ARE KANGZ AND SHIEEET RIGHT NOW?

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>>131281259
>Written by a snitch
Sounds like you're admitting he told the truth :y

>>131280867
>Maybe because they were traitors and saboteurs?
There's literally no evidence of betrayal. Stalinists looked through all available archives very hard to find anything, and had to accept that it was mistake.

Heck, even almost all people behind USSR Space Program were branded as "traitors" during this period. Its a well-known story how Korolev, talented engineer and rocket scientist, was send to die in gulag and was allowed to return only because they realized they have nobody else of his scale. He never recovered from diseases he got in gulag and died relatively young. Which was kind of hilarious, USSR moon program failed because USSR tortured their chief space scientist.

>>131279730
> USSR quickly recovered from war because of NEP

>USSR quickly recovered from war because of some faggots that rather eat their money on restaurants and kulaks, who were jacking up prices on bread every year.

NEP was a failure, through and through, which led to the Хлeбнaя cтaчкa and forced government to speed up with collectivization.

"successful", my ass.

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>>131261343
>fixed Eastern Europe

>>131281355
That's fucking right. Nigger countries are more prosperous than communist countries. That's how fucking bad communism is.

>>131281377

>Sounds like you're admitting he told the truth :y

I understand, inbreeding makes it hard to read, but the fact is a fact. Solzhy was a snitch that would betray everyone at the sight of ANY profit, including his own family.

>>131281925

> Nigger countries are more prosperous than communist countries

Especially USA :DDD

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>>131281975
But you're not denying that what he said was true. If that's the case, then his motivation is irrelevant because the topic is about what he wrote and not why.

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Jewish Media tells a different story.

>>131281344
Not everyone in the USSR lived in poverty you know, the difference was that people knew that if they are poor they will stay poor, unlike capitalism and it's lies. >>131266580

>>131282712
>Not everyone in the USSR lived in poverty
Pretty much everyone, except party members and minorities.
There was literally no legal way to not be poor other than being high-ranked official.

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>>131282712
>Nobody has ever started a successful business
>Nobody has ever retired at a higher socio-economic class than what they started with
>Never mind all the stories of people who started with less than a thousand to their name and are now billionaires
>If I can't do it, nobody can!
Git gud.

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>>131283242
That's the lie friend.
Yes, there will always be those who got out of poverty, but how many? Why the majority of the people are still poor?
The truth is, you can't have this "successful" society without slaves. (the working class)
If America wouldn't start so many wars they would eat shit for breakfast, which they will eventually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg7EF90Aaw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYogN7pQ4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEWPbTad_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFPLRuP41w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rnJEdDNDsI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eB046f998U

>>131281187
>criticizing Stalin didn't make them traitors
Lot's of people criticized Stalin and didn't get sent to prison or executed. This isn't a valid argument.

>>131281483
>There's literally no evidence of betrayal.
What evidence would they find? Did the conspiring people write down their plan and archive it? There are heavy implications of conspiration. Trotskyists, German/British/American spies, former upper class, of course there were conspiracy.

>even almost all people behind USSR Space Program were branded as "traitors" during this period
This is an exaggeration and a lie. Is it hard to believe that there were some US spies in the space program? There were Soviet spies in the American one.

Korolev is an interesting story that support the idea of rotten apples in the NKVD. Yezhov was the one to lead the NKVD at that time - and what was his fate? I believe he was executed for crimes he commited as the head of NKVD. Everything surrounding Yezhov shows that Stalin didn't have full power, and when he wanted to remove Yezhov he had to do it slowly/in the shadows. When Yezhov was replaced, Korolev got a reduced sentence at least. And now we are assuming that he was innocent.

>USSR moon program failed because USSR tortured their chief space scientist
And what do you base this on? Wild conclusion. His death scenario on Wikipedia also seem like some imaginative one where the imprisonment is judged the cause of everything.

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>>131284058
There will always be those who became talented musicians, but how many? Why the majority of the people still can't play violin?

To start a business is to take a risk: A potential business owner must invest their money and time into something and put all the effort they have into making it pay off and enjoy the fruit of their labours. Other people either don't take the risk for preference of safety, or because they understand that they don't have the talent to make it happen.

But sure, let's scrap all that and take away any chance of a success story so we can slave away while Stalin eats suckling pig and roast beef in his summer home.

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>>131284946
Ok friendo, I suggest you watch the videos I posted. It's not everything but should be enough to start.
Unless your name is Schlomo and you benefit from this corrupted system...

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>>131285427
>Can't directly refute arguments
Sure, lemme just watch four hours of videos and get right back to you mate. Totally a reasonable suggestion for a thread that won't be here in four hours, and not at all a hamfisted dodge.

>>131278486
I sense some faggot american with middle class parents who doesn't care or know shit about the people who suffered under communism

>>131261638
dont listen to this commie loving trash

>everyone had jobs
but almost everyone were stealing from their job places and did no real work.

>happy
because of high alcohol comsumtion

>>131286094
>Getting useful information just for the sake of arguements with random people on the internet and not for your own knowledge
Now it makes sense why you're acting retarded.
*tips menorah*

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>>131286895
>Why aren't you directly refuting my points?
>B-BECAUSE YOU'RE A JEEEEEEEWWW
gg no re

If you support commie shit why are you here go to reddit u fucking retard

14. A few years later I realized how retarded I was.

>>131266580
>implying capitalism isn't the reason for our much higher standard of living in 1st world countries
Kys stormfaggot. Quit larping

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>>131287369
>>131287058

End your pathetic lives you communist scum.
SIEG HEIL
Death to all commie niggers.

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>>131261343

Not me because I wasn't born mentally retarded. lol..

>>131268581
>>131270740
if you had to pick one of these as true which would it be

>>131277129
sorry but all those things are included in the average wealth statistic

so no they are just dirt poor

>>131261343
>At what age did you
At what age did you start raping stray dogs ?