Construct an argument against eugenics without invoking religious

>>131187065
Nobody will touch this, Von Habsburg. They can't win. I'll bump anyways.

>>131187065

economically unfeasible and would require a registry of diseases and disabilities that mandate neutering.

Also it infringes on inherent Bodily Autonomy laws if neutering is mandatory. You can't force adults to make that choice.

>>131187787
>economically unfeasible
stopped reading

>>131187065
>Construct an argument against eugenics without invoking religious moral

Construct an argument against murder without invoking religioes moral.

>>131187898

Eugenics will destroy the inferior class of citizens who work unsavory jobs so the superior class does not have to. It would be foolish to abolish that subset of people.

state-enforced Eugenics is blatant government overreach; the government does not get to decide who gets to have kids.

>>131187065

The right to exist and the right to reproduce are natural rights; no government has standing to take these away.

You would have a better argument if you advocated for removing the government structures that enable otherwise incapable people of rearing more offspring than their socioeconomic standing would suggest, e.g., welfare programs.

>>131187787
>economically unfeasible

Bollocks. We already have a database of DNA and people with diseases.

>>131188366
>Eugenics will destroy the inferior class of citizens who work unsavory jobs
I stopped again. What job do retards do? Drooling in care homes is not something that contributes to society.

>>131188023
That is easy, murder is a deadly sin.

>>131187065
Objections against eugenics aren't even logical conclusion of Christianity.

nature & biology are the most cruel, uncaring, nofeelz eugenicists known to man

>>131188411
>Gov are in violation of natural order.

How so? Governments are a natural by product of humans, humans enforcing rules upon them selves does not violate any natural order.

Death and natural selection works in the wild and is the reason niggers in the US are usually stronger than whites.

Don't think op means total control, but a rather gentle program to eventually lead to a healthier society in 2 - 3 generations.

>>131187065
Construct a noose and use it on yourself
Hint: nobody will miss you

>>131188804
T. Someone with shit genes.

>>131188630
:^)

>>131187065

Just off the top of my head, I'd say it goes against freedom of choice to choose a mate. That's if it was a gov't policy.

>>131188366
>niggers
>jobs

Libertarians need to be gassed

>>131187065

I am not against eugenics myself, but I could see an counter argument in the line of:

It will make the gap between the poor and the rich greater, cause eugenics wouldn't be for anyone. Due to the boosted genetic traits, the genetically modified people will be better adapted to today's society, which makes the gap even wider. This will eventually create a super elite, which will control every aspect of society.

>>131187065
Easy peazy. Logically it presumes that there is some objective or intrinsic truth that can be expressed in such a way that specifically breeding for it would produce a/an [insert moral quantifier here] benefit--over say, random chance or natural selection.

The problem is that there isnt any good argument for what those qualities should be; yet. Once we figure out the brain a bit better, there will probably be a 'lifting' on this type of issue.

>>131188436

maybe in the UK you do, but in the US only those who have committed crimes have their DNA on tab; everyone else is off the grid

>>131188551

the retards you're referring to will not reproduce anyway due to isolation or the nature of their disability, thus neutering them is redundant; I am not talking about that class of citizens.

>>131189199
>the retards you're referring to will not reproduce anyway
Under eugenics they would not exist. It does not matter that they will not reproduce, it matters that they exist.

>>131189051

You should put more value into the plebian class; it's a waste of potential to have genetically superior persons working plebian-tier jobs

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>>131187065

Genetic engineering will make eugenics irrelevant.

It often takes many generations before any positive effects of eugenics can be seen and designer babies will be here within the next 25 years tops.

Eugenics is a massive waste of time.

have a nice ass

>>131187065
You don't have to be religious to think that people have a right to have children, unless their child is likely to have some genetic disease. If eugenics was implemented, two people with 100 IQ couldn't have a perfectly healthy average iq kid just because the state is dreaming of creating an Übermensch race.
Without invoking any kind of moral, you could argue that it's inferior to whatever gene editing tech we will have in a couple decades, so it's pretty much outdated tech, but it's not just religious people who find it immoral anyway.

>>131188366
>Eugenics will destroy the inferior class of citizens who work unsavory jobs
Those jobs would be automated by the time eugenics actually destroys that class of people though.

>>131187065
Selective breeding worked for vegetables and cattle.

>>131187065
Nature itself is a massive eugenics program. It's normal and indeed preferable that the healthy and strong breed, and the weak and inferior do not. Only the latter group dislike eugenics because it puts them at a disadvantage. That's why so many of them are leftists, liberals or communists.
In a world where they are biologically disadvantaged to people who typically lean right, equality and tolerance can only uplift them while bringing down their opponents.

>>131187787

The economic benefits would obviously outweigh the costs

>>131189381

While you can abort obvious disabilities in-vitro, anything else (mental illnesses, disability occuring later in life) would be impossible to prevent.

>>131190187
True enough, I can't argue with that.

>>131187065
Ur gay

>>131187065
Why kill your slave caste?

>>131187065
ok, easy. if we had eugenics, austrians would all be dead.

>looks at sweden
Yeah,no arguments there.Its the best tool you can pick when you want to destroy a race forever.
>what is entropy

>>131187065
Would require an authoritarian government, thing that any person with more than two neurons rubbing together doesn't want.

>>131188366
You're looking at it the wrong way. That class of job exists because it's the only thing those people can do, and it's better than having them laying around starving/causing crime. If they were wiped out, we'd simply automate those functions or design a way which makes it significantly more bearable for the average laborer. Much like how automated farming "suddenly" appeared with the outlawing of slavery, these things figure themselves out.

>>131188023
Harms society by reducing its members.
Next argument, christcuck

>>131188792

>Governments are a natural by product of humans, humans enforcing rules upon them selves does not violate any natural order.

Possible ≠ natural

Extend this from positive and negative rights. If you were marooned alone on a desert island, a negative right is any right you would still have and a positive right is any right that it would not be possible to provide. For example, you would still have your right to free speech (negative) but not to "free" education or healthcare (positive).

A natural right as a subset of negative rights is any right that is inferred simply by your existence. You exist, therefore you have a right to exist. You have a biological imperative to reproduce, one shared by all living things, therefore you have a right to reproduce as removing this right is effectively removing your right to exist.