Animal abuse is for shitskins but with the current eating habits

>>131166320
Within 10 years we will be able to grow meat without killing animals. I took a bite of an engineered hamburger once, it was delicous, perfect

>>131166320
I would rather animals suffer than people go hungry. What ever the most efficient way to feed people is, I choose that.

Nothing personal but I have actually gone without and value my life over a million suffering cows. I don't believe they have soles or experience pain or suffering the same way we do. That being said, I wouldn't ever go out of my way to be cruel, I will just go extremely out of my way to feed my family.

Yeah, taxes on meat should be raised, now it is fucking obvious. We need green fields, not greenhouse gas making slaughterhouses. atleast not for poor animals hehe.

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>>131166870
>soles
well buddy i have some news for you, you sick bastard....

>>131166870
>I don't believe they have soles or experience pain or suffering the same way we do
However, they are mammals and have mammalian nervous systems. That's why we try to kill humanely.

>>131166320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0yGvypBwyA

>>131166870
Typical chink

eating animals is un-Aryan under the circumstances we have nowadays

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>>131166320
animal products are for goyim -err i mean normal people! but whatever you do goy, ignore porphyry, ovid, plato, seneca, aristotle.. DO NOT read about natural law, only care about your life! your pleasure! surely adolf hitler wasn't against animal products, he was an evil monster!

oy vey, whatever you do, DO NOTTTTT think about the suffering of other beings with blood and neurological systems.

>>131167091
No argument there, as quickly and humanely as possible. They use pneumatic bolt guns at base of the brain stem which is almost instant.

I also would prefer to eat healthy animals which means blood movement(exercise) and proper nutrition. My only real point is that as the population grows, the food supply is going to have to increase drastically with it, and I am a humanist, I don't like the idea of warm and fluffy ideals getting in the way of providing for human comforts. As the top of the food chain, they are here for our consumption.

>>131166870
But the animal abuse isn't necessary to feed people, they can just replace most of meat with plant protein.
It would even be easier to feed people if more of the crops were eaten by people instead of inefficiently turned into meat.

>>131166764
>I took a bite of an engineered hamburger once
Aren't those expensive as fuck? Last time I heard about them they were, anyways. Was quite a while ago.

>>131167659
We need animals for B12. We are supposed to eat them, although probably not in the ratios we do. I eat a lot of beans, lentils, I don't eat soy, I think it is completely unhealthy to go full vegetarian.

>>131167524
what a terribly simplistic graph

>>131167648
If we took all the niggers, kebabs and chinks out of the equation this wouldn't be an issue

>>131167524
>ha ha humans are not supposed to eat meat because unlike other predators, they've evolved to use tools and cook their food!
Don't tell me people are genuinely this retarded.

>>131167982
Agreed, it also ignores the fact that our possible thumbs allows for us to cut our food externally allowing for our teeth to be used primarily for mastication eliminating the need for sharp incisors.

>>131166320
>The average person now is no better than the people buying dogs from puppy mills.
Exactly. Don't expect /pol/ to wrap its head around this one though.
For /pol/ everything has to boil down to race somehow.
So chinks are subhumans because they eat dogs.
And arabs are subhumans for being afraid of pork because pork is white man's meat lol.

>>131168657
*opposable thumbs

>>131167911
Yeah I know I've been saying that here.
When I say that animal abuse isn't necessary to feed people I mean that people don't need so much, so cheap meat.
My suggestions in the op still allow people to eat meat, it will just cause people to eat less of it.

people post videos of animal torture mainly from slav countries and japan, though it happens in the west too
doing that to an animal just sickens me, theres a man beheading and torturing cats where I live right now

>>131167911
luckily, it is very healthy. eating something not so good for b12 is not the best option. usually b12 is added to animal food anyway. why not eat it directly. the real problem is other vitamins or fiber - 98% don't get enough. THAT'S a health problem. but the media tell people to worry about easy to get protein or b12 - sick.

>>131167524
>chimpanzees
>frugivores

Chimps and Bonobos are the only animals that organize hunting parties to kill lesser monkeys for their meat.

They do this WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
They fucking love meat.

They offer meat to females as part of courtship.

>>131169045
Sure there is a huge difference between being efficient and being careless. My dad was a hunter and would take me out with him when I was young and I learned to have a respect for the food I eat, basically recognize that other creatures need to die in order for me to live. I just have a clear idea of what I think eating a well balanced meal is, and it is something I am not willing to change. I will try alternatives and am pretty adventurous when it comes to food but again, it really comes down to how much sacrifice we are talking about.

>>131166320
http://aryanism.net/culture/veganism/

Stop eating animals. Eat subhumans.

>>131167524
Historically, human brain development is attributed to eating cooked food, including meat, you dumb barbarian. You don't need carnivore fangs to eat cooked meat. But you personally are free to switch to fucking veggies and die of malnutrition.

>>131169277
That is incorrect. Animals are the only viable sources of B12. It is present in small quantities in green algae but you would need to consume pounds and pounds of it to hit the recommended daily dosage.
If you think you are saving animals by using a vitamin supplement, you are not because they took that from an animal. We really are suppose to eat animals.

Guys stop replying to le b12 leaf, he shill every meat/vegan threads with nonsense.

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/b12/country/CA/

every bite of meat you eat increases your sentence in hell

develop a fucking conscience, morans

>>131170145
B12 can be made in a lab, same with bcaas. Completely synthetic and cheap

>>131170145
it's produced by bacteria. then it's given to humans and animals.

>>131170468
Jesus ate fish..

>>131166320
> put an extra tax on animal products
Here we go. Even if commie vegans try hard to sound reasonable, they cannot hide their deranged agenda. Make food more expensive so that people eat less. Yes, sure, that's the way to go.

Though, there are indeed businesses that profit from higher food prices. Like, fishing industry that hates fish farms and genetically engineered fish to the guts.

>>131166320
I 100% agree with you OP. Makes me happy to know there are people like you in this world. Thank you.

Can someone tell me what the proposed solution is for caring for the hundreds of millions of domesticated animals that we would suddenly not be slaughtering? There isn't enough pastureland for them, and without large populations of their natural predators their numbers would explode even more, assuming we still cared for them as we did when we consumed them. But then the question becomes, why would anyone do so when they would no longer profit off their meat? That would require a massive use of resources just to keep cows and pigs alive that no one has any use for.

>>131166320
What happened to that poor cow? :(

>>131170486
>relying on corporations and the government to meet your basic dietary needs

Vegans are the best good goys

>>131170444
You are a retard, this is my first time posting about this, those posts don't take the same position as me and are months old, and B12 should come up in every vegetarian conversation because it needs to be supplemented or a vegan will become b12 deficient. Now kindly douse yourself in honey and chain yourself to a tree in a bear infested woods.

9And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Eat meat. Tastes great, gives you nutrition that is difficult to obtain otherwise, and god ordained it.

>>131170610
OK, I wasn't aware they could produce it artificially now, but it needs to be made artificially, there is no way you would find that in nature. I'm sure you would agree that we are supposed to eat some meat right ?

>>131170764
in the real world we have meat socialism and everyone is forced to pay subsidies for the meat industry

>>131170858
A jew paid a nigger to hit it with a baseball bat

>>131170840
A gradual transition? Stop the breeding of cattle and eat the remaining ones.

>>131167524

List missed most important part

Human - can consume and digest delicious meat

>>131171066
vitamin lozenges will totally make up for the trillions the pharma and meat industry will lose when the meat industry dies

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>>131166764
How was the fat content? I've heard marbling (incorporating adipocytes into the muscle fiber) has been the most difficult aspect.

I strongly agree, growing meat in a bioreactor like cheese, tofu, or beer is the future.

>>131170840
You didn't even read the thread, retard.
Did you think I said we should make meat illegal and everyone should immediately become vegetarian?
This will just make the production change in a way that makes the abuse stop.
The production will just decrease slowly and in that time they can just breed less.

>>131171560
>when the meat industry dies
Sweetie, that's never going to happen. Vegans and Peta and never going to "win the war" against the meat industry. In all likelihood it will expand directly as our population, minus India.

>>131171143
I'm not saying that no one should eat meat, just that the animal abuse that is an inevitable consequence of too much, too cheap meat should stop.

>>131170764
Tell me one other way to do it.

>>131166320
This is why fascism is retarded. Every retarded two bit moralizer is going to try to push their personal opinions on the population with the full force of a fascist government behind them. It's as bad as democracy.

>>131166764

For all the beef we eat, you don't see that many cows. They have probably been feeding us synthetic beef for decades.

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>>131166320
Fuck your feelings.
t. Farmer

Animal abuse when it comes to cows isn't really a big thing. There are plenty of agricultural colleges that constantly study this shit, remember that autist temple grandin?
Happy cows taste better, so it's in a companies own best interest to make the cows happy if they want to sell high quality meat.

>put an extra tax on animal products
t. liberal hippy faggot.

>>131172273
maybe you cunts with mad cow disease

>>131172358
Grass, water, properly wormed, fly control, and a scoop of grain a day 3 months out from slaughter is a happy cow. This is not complicated.

>>131172273
You get your beef from the US. As does largely everyone else for the most part. We are god damned good at it too.

>>131166870
It would be cheaper for your dumb greedy ass to eat vegan, but noo you have to have your daily dose of meat glue and cow labias sold as steaks in the 1$ store

>>131172572
no they don't you dumb cunt

>>131166320

I hardly condamn violence aganist people

But man often feel so shit because I buy things prolly were not so well produced thus accepting hurt animals. But I can't off that beef'n bacon

I'm a piece of shit because of that and I'm sorry but I can't go vegan just like that. That's the only thing I regret in life and wont change probably. I'd accept rules by state forbidding meat though.

>>131167524

this chart indicates you are a faggot.

>>131172198
Do you mean that the state shouldn't take any measures against animal abuse?
Should it all be fully legal then? That's just wrong.

>>131172770
i only feel bad that we treat niggers and shitskins better by not killing them. Should just mulch them and use them to catch fish or feed pigs

>>131169294

>Chimps and Bonobos are the only animals that organize hunting parties to kill lesser monkeys for their meat.

Wrong, Brazilians do that too.

>>131172501
It is more complicated in large scale operations.

>>131172770
I'm not telling you to go vegan, just suggesting things that would change the industry so you can eat the tasty stuff without contributing to the abuse.
I eat meat too and have no intention of becoming vegan.

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>>131167524
Who told you Chimpanzees aren't Omnivores? Most herbivores like cows do not see the full color-scale. The jaw stuff is completely incoherent. What exactly is the difference between an embedded lower jaw and and a sitting upper jaw? Also carnivores absolutely need fiber, even dogs eat grass sometimes for their regularity. It's completely false that humans can't metabolize cholesterol from meat. I'm pretty sure the tongue, teeth, and chewing differences are due to a lack of opposable thumbs. I would blame the urine differences on the need for marking territory and water scarcity before diet.

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>>131172904

>Should mulch them

lmao Mulch is in germany stinky brownish covermaterial a bit like a fertilizer

If you eat fresh unwashed kale from your garden there should be enough aphids and aphid feces to supplement b12. wish I was kidding.

>in b4 insects not vegan.
what are you gonna do fucking shake every leaf?

>>131166870
Slant-eyed subhuman.

>>131166870
>rather animals suffer than people go hungry

Most agreeable thing Ive ever seen a leaf say.

>>131173086
could use them to grow some nice vegetables

>>131172501
It's also an expensive cow and very much meat isn't premium meat.
I know there's a lot of meat being produced with decent conditions but people aren't eating high quality steaks for lunch and dinner every day. The cheap stuff at the store or fast food is pretty huge and there they can't have high production costs and all have the low price for the consumer.

Animal products are major causes of diseases in humans, incredible unjustifiable suffering for animals and insane profits for mega corporations that don't give a fuck about anything except their bank accounts. Humane meat doesn't exist. Dairy is rape. Organic meat is bullshit. Free range meat is bullshit. Quit being selfish weaklings, take back your health and go vegan.

>>131173253
>It's also an expensive cow
Steak is supposed to be expensive.

>>131173086
also I know what mulch is, it's left over matter used to (((enrich))) soil

>>131173024

When i was 15-19 i tried to only eat game meat.
like wild boar deer and rabbit
but its expensive and not always available. I'd support anything protecting animals but i fear that only FORCING me would help. E.g forbid meat thats cheap thus badly/harmfully produced

but anyway i know im a bigoted dude who will never get off torture-meat because he buys cheap meat when he can :(

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I'd rather just feed serious animal abusers to lions.

>>131166320
Listen, I'm not worried about cows, you fucking moron. There are enough real problems to deal with.

>>131173417

by buying mass produced cheap meat we are no better than them.

who is worse? Dracula or the Gypsy dude who helps him run his shit for some coins?

>>131173410
if you are eating game meat you should be hunting it you stupid cunt

>>131173497

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."

careful with degeneracy

>>131173576
Dracula, obviously.

Evil men take advantage of weak men, but don't confuse weakness with evil. All men have weaknesses. Not all men are evil.

The point of the state is to be strong for those who are not strong.

>>131173410
Haven't you been reading my posts?
My suggestions means that it will be illegal to make meat with too bad conditions.
It will only be possible to buy meat that's made with decent conditions.

>>131173636

>be german
>be 23 poor law student
>trying to get a rifle/gun/hunting license
>pay 1000s of € for it
>needing to be in a hunting club costing monthly fees in order to be allowed to keep rifle+hunting license

Dude this isnt the outback.
We cant just run around and kill beasts like you do, Roadhog

>>131173747

I feel like that gypsy though and it feels like an excuse. I want dracula dead too, but also because if he doesn't die i wont stop helping him

you catch my drive?

>>131173664
I KNEW somebody was gonna respond with that miserable piece of idiocy. I should have done an inb4. What makes this garbage statement true, the fact that you heard another mouth-breather saying it?? The greatest nations and empires in the history of the earth were downright barbaric to animals (even including animal sacrifice).

You should hang your head in shame for even repeating that piece of tripe.

>>131173830

I'd vote for you then.
The green party here advocates this but u need to buy their entire bullshitpacket if u want the animal abuse to be controlled more.

>>131173839
you don't need a gun to kill animals. fuck I used to go out to my mates farm as a teenager with a spot light and get a bunch of rabbit by spotting them and then breaking their necks

>>131172065
To do what? Enforce veganism?

>>131171278
To the agriculture and food industry in general, so that local farmers and producers can compete with imported food. This in turn helps to keep food quality up, because the farmers are both subsidized and are required to meet the standards.

>>131166320
Show me where this happens and give us details ffs.
A lot of places do have high standards.
Where is the content to your thread?

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>>131166320
>making sure your food is treated well
I don't give a fuck what they do to cows and chickens they are food. Give me all the cheap meat all the time.

>>131174226
It happens Islamic countries

>>131173951

>i should an inb4
whet? an hero u mean?

>the greatest nations and empires in the history of the earth were downright barbaric to animals

>the greatest nations, downright barbaric to animals

that's like, uh, ur opinion man. I think its detestable. Nothing is great with torturing stupid animals.

>You should hang your head in shame for even repeating that piece of tripe.

I should but because i cater to torturous food producing. It makes me the lowest in my opinion. Gotta live with being trash

>>131166320
I had a discussion the other day with my family (we meet for a big meal every month) about meat being too cheap. Nobody understand what I meant and were moaning that 1kg of chicken had gone up 20p in the supermarket.

I don't mind meat eating but it's become far too industrialised and the demand is too high for welfare standards to be met. People wouldn't be happy if they saw the whole process of rearing and slaughtering of their cheap imported meats.

You don't need to eat meat with every meal like people do. Hell, people struggle to even think what to cook if they don't have meat available.

>>131174079

>breaking their necks

dude what the fuck...If it came to this i wouldnt even eat meat. Which might be the solution? Meat only for those who kill it

>>131174321
So, to summarize... you've created a personal and subjective definition of the word "greatness" by which the quote should be understood?

Got it. Your argument is just as stupid as I thougt.

>>131173922
It's because you're weak. So am I. We're all weak.

If you're always doing the right thing by your own philosophy that sounds conspicuously like your philosophy has been tailored to always excuse you. The hallmark of a smart man is one who can believe in a philosophy that he knows is right even though he does wrong by it. It means you are acknowledging your flaws. Only when you acknowledge your flaws can you circumvent them.

>but we should overcome them
We don't overcome our flaws. Maybe some people do, but most people don't. What's the point of you, through great struggle, becoming a perfect person? Is your example going to inspire everyone to do the same?

No. Harness the force of the state to be strong for the weak. Work with flaws and find ways around them - don't reject them.

So your concern is that you eat meat, which puts money into the hands of animal abusers. You could, personally, become a vegetarian. Congratulations, you have accomplished nothing. Or, you could work to fix the regulatory system so that animals are not abused in the production of meat.

>why not both?
Because the latter makes the former unnecessary. And also because the former is not just an inferior option - it is a pointless option. It is literally an empty gesture. Not doing it has the exact same moral value as doing it because it accomplishes literally nothing.

And here's a tippy top secret:
You could always do neither. What's that? Be aware of a moral wrong and do nothing to fix it? Why yes, my fellow German. Because even the latter option I suggest will amount to nothing. You have no power as an individual and in a lifetime of campaigning you will likely accrue no more. Your place is this world is appointed, either by God or by chance, to be a mook. Accept your place, accept your flaw, accept your weakness, and be carried on the eddies of time.

So you fix this evil?

There's a million others that /you don't even know about/ happening right now.

It is what it is.

>>131174369
Chicken that you eat is produced in the UK though.

>>131166320
Unlimited freedom consume leads logically to the global factory farm.
All money you have and goods you can afford are produced with a gun to the head.

>>131174439
are you that much of a faggot?
>use spot light
>see rabbit
>shine light on it and get someone else to keep it aimed or stake it
>walk around so you don't break the spotlight
>grab the bunny
>twist it's neck so it dies
>have dinner

>>131166320
That's a Hereford. They are notorious for bad eyes and bad udders. Had more than one that came down with 'Cancer Eye.'

>>131174534

I just have an ethical dilema eating meat and my character is too fucking weak to change that habit. Which makes me a piece of shit. I find massproduction, without regard of the creature we kill, degeneracy.

Also you could change around the sentence made by Ghandi saying: "A truely great country doesnt torture their poorest / most defenseless"
which are animals in my understanding. I don't have sympathy for most humans such as you and I. So if I sometime get gored to death by a Bull or shit like that, well fuck me. If some negro or fuckface stabs me because he thinks i stole his afrikas, fuck him

>>131166320
This is EXACTLY why the West is dying. You pussufied losers have been coddled and pampered into terminal softness. You're sitting here and exercising your souls over the PLIGHT OF FUCKING COWS while your countries are being destriyed, and your women are being raped. Your pathological virtue-signaling is your death.

>>131174759
>break its neck
isn't that really painful?

>>131166320
pussy

>>131171704
I don't think they've made any progress with marbling

>>131175133
It breaks in less then a second unless you are weak. I have seen dumb cunts smash their heads with a rock which is stupid

>>131174004
I agree. I'd never support green parties or environmentalists now because they're also filled with anti-white shit.
It's unfortunate that people that are against insane leftism often starts being against animal rights and such based on guilt by association.

>>131172198
>fascists are going to take away muh big mac REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>131172647
>cow labias
NOW you are taking my language my dude!

>>131174632

>Only when you acknowledge your flaws can you circumvent them.

I feel like scum because i cater to massproduction but that's ok?

>Or, you could work to fix the regulatory system so that animals are not abused in the production of meat.

Seems like the fairest solution to me in this entire thread tbqh.

>Accept your place, accept your flaw, accept your weakness, and be carried on the eddies of time.

Thanks Aussie Anon, for there seems no saving from my degeneracy. I have to accept im degenerate and thus always be haunted by my flaws

life's a struggle

>>131174642
I was talking in general. Pork is one of the worst.

>>131175077
>you should only care about the thing that is most wrong, all lesser wrongs are meaningless
It's not like I had an opportunity to stop anti-nationalism and did this instead and it's not like I don't do anything about other issues just because I also care about this.
I spend a lot more time on nationalism than animal rights.

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>>131167524
>Comparative anatomy
>Different species
Well done, idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLrPJdd4708

>>131175033
Ok, well I understand your position. But, even with the modification, the quote still falls flat without a resort to some radical redefinition of the word "greatness." I've got nothing personal against you man. But I think people's honest horror over the slaughter of animals just points to what a bunch of pussies we've become (collectively). We're so far removed from the fundamentals of our survival, that we recoil in horror at the mention of them now. Every woman and little girl in the world used to go out into the backyard to chop the heads off of chickens. Now, we don't even have the mettle that our women used to have.

And to me, the industrialization of the process does not add any meaningful layers of complexity. Survival always has and always will involve brutality (No matter how comfortable our lives may seem).

>>131166320
fuck off antifa

>>131175523
>Seems like the fairest solution to me in this entire thread tbqh.
It's also exactly what the point of this thread is.

>>131175432
Didn't Obama take away the supersized coke?

>>131175720
This thread isn't about slaughter being bad.
It's just that when the main objective is as much meat as cheap as possible, the welfare of the animals will have a lower priority so suffering among the animals will be tolerated in order to keep costs down.
The thread isn't about forcing vegetarianism onto people but to change the meat industry to make sure no one keeps their animals in horrible living conditions to save money.

>>131172273
Go to fucking Kansas
Drive through it
There are literal oceans of cows
Packed body to body
Rolling oceans of endless cow
Most of the cows are in Kansas and Nebraska anyways

>>131166764
The thing is then you have dumb cul de sac moms and dipshit rednecks whining about it being artificial and bad for you while simaltaeneously hauling around their 300 pound children

>>131176207
I'm not opposed to that.

>>131166320
I switched to being a vegetarian long ago and love it. I will not take part of this low quality animal eating ever again.

>>131175720

If greatness was the only word that has become a point of definition...lol

>I've got nothing personal against you man.
no offense taken

>the pussies we've become (collectively).
I'm fine with Dagestan-Terrorists being slowly smashed to a pulp by russian tank-tracks one by one. Also if brazilians lynch a child rapist.

I just don't can't grow fond to the idea that we treat sentinent beings so bad while they mean no harm to us. We should kill them without the agony of being incarcerated and live 1/5th of their natural livespan

Now i know what i dont do btw. I dont eat baby animals like lambs and calfs and such. Not that it would make a difference or i'd feel any better.
Just imaging that thing being killed a few weeks after it was born for mass consumption is a true horror. Also lamb tastes not too good imo.

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>>131166320
>put an extra tax on animal products
I don't think putting an extra tax is nesisary as if what should happen ie better conditions for the animals happen it will naturaly raise the price.

>We made a deal with the animals we provide you with good conditions granted food, freedom from predation and ensure your genetic survival and health and you provide us with products.
This is the compact we made with these animals it has obviously been broken with breeding resting unhealthy animals, poor conditions, artificial hormones, and antibiotics instead of good clean spaces.

>Big government is not the best solution there is no need for over barring regulations or taxes.
Instead of regulations simply require the packaging to reflect the truth about the product, is it a healthy bred, was it raised without antibiotics or hormones ect.
Then just make sure the public is informed of ho much protein they really need which is no where near the claims of which are made by the industry. As well the labeling system like make sure people know the Living Conditions of a grade of F is like.
People will naturally make the right and moral choices if they are just well informed, well most of the time.

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>>131166320
keep crying vegicuck

>>131176834

It's not about being vegan.
Eat meat at your hearts content but dont fucking torture the beasts in massproduction plants.

they do feel pain and agony

>>131176993
yeah but i don't wanna pay 30 dollars for a burger or build my own farm.

>>131175307

how is that stupid? that's how I kill fish. instant death

>>131166764
>vegans bitch about animal abuse
>corporations start growing meat in factories
>farm cattle goes extinct

>>131177155

If you want your burgers previously tortured thats fine by me. I also eat at McD sometimes or take a Döner. I just think its degenerate meat but i cant get off it.

Long story short, I'd wish for a way we mustn't give up fair prices but also dont need to kill cattle in agony so most of us are satisfied - which i doub we ever will

>>131176559
So many of these threads are about forcing vegetarianism on people. I kind of assumed that to be the case. But, as another anon pointed out, you're not arguing that "meat is murder." You're arguing against processes that create unneccesry suffering. And I'm actually pretty sympathetic to that argument.

I grew up hunting. And I was extraordinarily conscientious about developing that skills I needed to make quick, clean kills. If I ever shot a deer in the gut by mistake, I'd feel like a complete piece of shit. So yea, I don't really see any way to put the genie back in the bottle... But it would be nice to produce meat in more humane ways than we currently do.

>>131176743
>freedom from predation
This is an important point to make. In the wild a deer could be torn limb from limb while in order to provide sustenance to a pack of wolfs, it could get its hoof stuck in rocks and starve for 3 weeks or could be washed down a river and drown.
I know it's not justification for treating anything poorly, but I believe our comfort levels have distracted us from how cruel nature actually is.

Being eaten alive in the wild is no picnic...well at least for the prey it isn't, I guess it could be for the predator if you want to call it that.

>>131177534
Also those changes to the meat production would stop people from becoming vegetarians or vegans.
Some are just against killing animals but there would be a lot fewer otherwise.

>>131177534

>I grew up hunting. And I was extraordinarily conscientious about developing that skills I needed to make quick, clean kills. If I ever shot a deer in the gut by mistake, I'd feel like a complete piece of shit.

The perfect way to get meat and treat it. I wish it was the common way. Not what's it like today

>>131171143
>god ordained it
A nest of Jews wrote a book, attributing it to "God"; you assume it as a guidebook to life.
There is no God, only Jews.
You are a helluva good goy.

>>131176993
I don't think it is as sharp as we experience it though, take branding for example; you take a red hot branding iron and seer an imprint into a cow and it make a moo for a couple of seconds and thats it. You can't project your feelings and emotions onto them any more than you can to a plant, who some claim can feel.

>>131166320
Americans are something like 80% overweight and consume too much meat weekly

It would make meat more expensive, but at the same time we should be eating way less than we are and be eating meat less regularly

>>131178126

>you take a red hot branding iron and seer an imprint into a cow and it make a moo for a couple of seconds and thats it.

>make a moo

This kinda hits me, lol
If animals had no nerves to signal "pain" they'd all die of open sores or broken bones etc. That's really no argument. Ofc they experience a fair amount of pain to keep them from harming themselves. Fish are said to have a lesser pain emitting nerve system (unless newer research proves otherwise)

I lived a few years in Spain where I learnt about a "tail-twisting" practice in the US-Rodeo scene. They twist and crunch the bulls tail and taze its behind so he bucks more. the animals indeed go nuts of the inflicted pain. Of course not all people do tht. But it was enough proof to know they do can suffer a lot but dont "scream" about it like humans do (that screaming has use for us a species and our survival-google it)

>>131178175
>we should be eating way less

Yes

>and be eating meat less regularly

Nope. Not at all. Low carb, high protein is by far the best dietary option for a healthy weight. You've never met a fat person who eats nothing but steak and spinach. Europeans are adapted for a high animal protein diet, our ancestors were literally as carnivorous as wolves and bears.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440399905204

We need to slow up on (and in some cases eliminate entirely) grains. Feed wheat and corn to the pigs, that's basically what it's most useful for.

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>>131178809
Obviously the cow's pain threshold is much higher than a human's.

Moreover, cows don't give shit, they just want to eat, fuck and poop. You want them to live fulfilling lives and write their memoirs, retard? There was a time in which ascribing human feelings to animals or inanimate objects was considered a mental illness called "patheticism", and I still think the name fits.

Don't you dare tax my fucking food, Marx.

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>>131167524
>vegans

Animal Abuse would go up under an ancap society.

What do vegans think will happen to all the livestock if we just suddenly switch to a vegan society?
If the animals don't make money they have no reason to exist because they would just take up space and use resources.
They would all have to be killed anyway, at least while we use them for stuff they get to have some time on this earth.