will normies accept fascism if we modify a few elements and give

Yes. Depends on what is changed, but a lot of people are weak minded. Partisans make up the majority of America, so that's the best bet. A group of over 50% that are willing to follow blindly.

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>>131149330
What's appealing about fascism?

>>131150903
Volksgemeinschaft

>>131149330
Yes. I suggest that you get rid of the authoritarian and populist elements, the collectivism, the militarism, the anti-intellectualism, and being emotionally rooted in a longing for revenge against and respect from older, more established powers.

>>131150903
fascism

easy, acknowledge the holocaust and condemn it whenever asked
switch to civic nationalism, or preach ethno nationalism for all races (or both simultaneously, this is mostly required for success in the US, elsewhere could play out differently)
and keep natsoc economics and use it to hook in leftests
as we can see from neocons, the militarism should be easy to keep around

>>131150960
And how does giving the elites total control remove the divide between the elites and the common man?
>>131151122
So, you remove the fascism from fascism?
>>131151293
Illuminating.

>>131151122

doo doo head.

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>>131150903
The fascist bit, I believe

>>131151122
Fascism without authoritarianism isn't fascism. Fascism is essentielly anti-democratic as for fascists this modern democracy is rotten to begin with. I agree that a single autocratic figure like a Fuhrer or a Duce isn't appealing and wouldn't work anymore, but we could try something like a Roman republic, idk. But democratic fascism doesn't exist.

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>>131150903
just about everything

The most appealing part of fascism to normies is the centrist economics, so just talk about the economy until you get into power and rev up the gas chambers

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>>131150709
#1 most effective change would be to remove the swastika. Invent a new symbol.

Inquisitive normies will immediately ignore whatever you're saying if you're bearing the swastika

>>131151583
>So, you remove the fascism from fascism?
Yep. Fascism is inherently retarded. It's an ideology for submissive beta males with daddy issues who have failed in modern society and long for authoritarian cock. The only way to save fascism is to change it to something that is not fascism.

>>131152012
Just use the symbol of the fascist flag, with the sticks and axe

>>131151583
>divide between the elites and the common man
oh so your a filthy communist huh
fascism isnt about destroying the classes but getting them to work in tandem

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>>131149330
Would normies ever accept national transhumanism?

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>>131151863
fascism and /fit/ are also things that go extremely well together. The natty part of /fit/ actually is part of fascism. I even call it "ultra fascism" because of the dedication that one puts himself up to, with diet, exercises and habits is extreme.

and you know what that means in the real world? A human being that is motivated, has lots of energy, is strong, knows how to keep to schedules and how to work systems.

Now technically speaking, if you were to apply this kind of fascism to the people, your economy would get a huge boost as the individual efficiency would go through the roof, and then this combined average rise in efficiency would allow you to outcompete other nations even more easily.

So a certain segment of capitalists would fucking love the shit out of you.

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>>131152312
fascism will make your humans stronger, faster, even smarter

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4464174/

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>>131152104
>Out of the overflow heart, the mouth speaks

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>>131151863
>The most appealing part of fascism to normies is the centrist economics
But that is one of the worst fucking parts.

That's like talking up your office job by remarking it fills you with existential dread.

>>131151696
Well that's not very informative.

>>131151753
All of the things listed don't require giving your elites absolute control.

>>131152184
Making one all-powerful isn't going to get them working in tandem.

I'm not a filthy communist, but I can see how unaccountable elites do things and it is fucking shit. If you can come up with something better than that I'm all ears, as democracy has been a clear failure, but at the same time, fascism is an even bigger failure.

You want things to get fixed, so you hand over the reins to your "superiors" in the hopes they'll be altruistic? How naive.

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>>131152393
and tis too. Its also fascism. Srsly, who wouldnt want a stable, strong, and capable workforce that doesnt rely on medical healthcare as much as this one does? One that is faster, more quality oriented, has less sick days, more motivated.

Basically all the best things in humanity, the golden stuff we called fascism.

>>131152417
>unaccountable
Not an ancap sorry, I believe in a national worker's union

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>>131152417
>implying that it isnt a false dilemma what you propose and reply to

Sure there will even in that era elites. But have you seen the civilization before the last part of the civilization cycle? The families were more or less the focus. Income equality was more or less just for them. There were many fewer elites back then. More self employed. Fascism in some sense wants that back again too.

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>>131152012
I find this one to be pretty A E S T H E T I C

Judging by the Democrats still having support, yes. They're just fascist/communists with rainbow paint.

>>131149330
Fascism doesn't wait for normie consent. They'll fall into line.

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>>131150903
The uniforms.

>>131152511
>implying most people don't choose to be lazy fucks

>>131149330

>modify a few elements

then its no longer fascism

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>>131152677
Or this

>>131150903
Because its the new Communism for autists

>>131153104
>implying they are going to get a choice

it wont be gulags but their beetus medication from medicareaid or whatever socialized bullshit thing that there is. Will be gone. There will be a tax on soda, on all the bad foods. There will even be a fat tax in general. Less subsidies or whatever. That money will be used for health camps, or health instructors on society, health schooling, flyers, brochures. Events, all non mandatory and for health.

>>131153156
Too complicated. A symbol needs to be easy to know. If you can draw it from memory, it's good and simple, and can stick in the mind.

>>131152417
>fascism failed
No it didn't.

>>131152582
>national worker's union
And pray tell, how does a union keep a government in check?

>>131152615
Everything was better back then because there was less damage from globalist jewery, and less people. Everything was less degenerate then.

This is not an argument for fascism, but for traditionalism.

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Yes .They accepted it when Perón repainted it.
We can still do the same

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>>131150903

>>131153440
This just in, the axis powers lost WWII.

>>131153474
though you were talking about the upper class
it's the people who keep the government in check
this is true for every type of government

And fascism always prevails
You just need a charismatic figure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)

>>131149330

Just translate hitlers speeches and use them and don't use the word national socialism. All the normies, especially all the lefties, will move to it. I already had some people say "well you won't get anything if you just talk about unrealistic utopias". Their faces are always amazing when I tell them that I cited Hitler.

>>131153613
Getting invaded because you threaten international profits is not your goverment system failing. Especially when these fascist countries were already going so well it required a world war and all world super powers to bring down a few European countries.

If communism never got a chance to make it self fail and every-time a communist government popped up the united states bombed it back to the stone age communism wouldn't of failed since no one let it try """""work"""""

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>>131153568
This is very informational, thank you.
I have questions regarding things, but to be back on topic, one shouldn't even mention fascism, but merely enact it.

Something like >>131153758
It needs to be spontaneous, in the moment, and untied to the past.

>>131153945
>Getting invaded because you threaten international profits is not your goverment system failing.
So you are of the opinion that our history books lie to us?

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>>131154083
Of course, I bet you believe in the holocaust right? The victors don't write the history books for nothing

>>131154083
If Germany dissolved into general chaos before its people started starving late 1944, then that would be a sign that the governing system was failing/bad.

>>131154146
>>131154342
Even if our history books might have lied to us, it wouldn't be logical to just assume that everything was fine and dandy. I imagine there is truth among the lies or lies among the truth.

Our history books paint a grim picture of Germany, and to say all of it, every last bit was a fabrication just seems like too big of a lie to swallow.

Frankly I am skeptical about our history books, but I'm also skeptical of the alternative history you paint as well.

>>131154597
Wrong, it paints a grim picture of nazi controlled territories such as poland or france.
Naturally military police had to walk the streets and suchlike considering that the french would have otherwise resisted FOREIGN occupation.

Most countries do the same whilst invading other countries.

>>131154764
>most
you mean every

>>131153474
>This is not an argument for fascism, but for traditionalism.

many things between natsoc, traditionalism, and a few other things intersect, that is why we are called the right you know. Fascism at its root is like 60% part of that, if not more.

but with the modern times there needs to be some more control, and by fascism definition it will be a new focus of the tax system, incentive systems. That would impede upon freedoms to do stupid stuff somewhat, more focus towards self improvement, and it would be nearly done by force.

Ultra fascism, what I would like, lol. That probably wouldnt work, I cant even imagine what that would mean.

>>131149330
In Spain a new party just sugar coated gommunism and made it into congress.
Is posible i guess

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>>131150903
Not much really.

Organic economic theory doesn't really work unless you have a specific task you want to complete, like invading another country or rushing a manned mission to Mars or something.

Right now /pol/ seems to be starting a debate between civic vs. ethnic nationalism, but fascism itself isn't all ethnic nationalism. The third way economics are important to, and they don't really work in perpetuity.

The reason why the USSR failed was this same reason. Authoritarian top down economic policies don't work. Period. If you like ethnic nationalism, that's all fine and good, but just because the Nazis have a snazzy reputation doesn't mean they aren't the governmental equivalent of cheetahs. Fast, but no endurance whatsoever.

However, as I said, if you're doing a specific task - like a moonshot - private-public stuff is the way to go. Fascism is just the ethnic nationalism version of that, more or less.

>>131152260
Gattaca is one of my favorites. Where do I sign up?

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>>131155168
>Right now /pol/ seems to be starting a debate between civic vs. ethnic nationalism

no dont set fake consus, there never was any debate about that.

>>131155377
I don't mean that /pol/ is currently somehow split on that topic, just that it's moving to the forefront of the conversation.

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>>131155418
no its not, its been settled a year ago now. There isnt even any debate on this. It always was ethnic nationalism.

You filthy goddamn fake news...lol fake posts. You cant do the same here you know. Its a closed topic at this point, so fuck off.

>>131155363
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