Why do people still believe in religion? It's clearly not

Sand nagger here, it still exist because of social enforcing, i've legit seen relatives getting beat up by parents for eating during ramadan, and also national education, during my father's era at school teachers had the right to whip students if they forgot quran stuff here and there; my father got hit/whipped so hard he developped Stockholm for Islam.

>>131104235
Thank you, nigger, but the question is - why?

Is the overriding rule of religion to exist is that it depends on violence, threatened or otherwise?

What makes religion different from war, in that case?

>>131103767
I'll give you a simplified, logical reason for faith. Faith is completely logical if you accept these 3 premises:
>there is an absolute truth about the universe/reality

>we want to follow the path of this truth, since truth = good (love, happiness, fulfillment, etc)

>we will never learn 100% about this absolute truth underlying the universe through rational and scientific means. We will surely die before.
If we want to follow the path of truth, we cannot rely on science/rationality alone. We need to do a leap of faith into the unknown, trusting 100% we have chosen the right path towards it. A Nihilist chooses to restrain from this leap. He is further away from the truth than anyone else. He is spiritually sedentary, in a way.

I still don't get how people who can't see any value in religion haven't all completely killed themselves yet

I'm not being mean about that either

The people angry about religion take it too seriously, the people bad at religion also take it too seriously.
Religion as an organised institute is a failed endeavour as it streamlines and pedastalises the whole thing.

You could have a dream a bird with a worm in its mouth tried to feed you through your rectum, wake up in a cold sweat and suddenly feel your understanding of the world is that much firmer. You know it's horse shit and telling people will probably alienate you, but you can't shake the feeling of that little bird somehow gave you something work keeping with you for the rest of your life.

That's kinda what religions like

I'm not religious but I respect it a hell of a lot more than I used to.
It has its place whether you want it to or not. Thousands and thousands of years and collapsed civilations after collapsed civilation, and you still can't get rid of it. No matter how educated or separate the people, it always keeps back up in some form.

>>131105012
The carrot, promise a bunch of donkey humpers from 1500 years ago virgins and endless ressources for all eternity if they give up on life for you, and witness their stupidity as theyr work thrice as hard, hunt down and kill every conspirationist, and still praise your words 1500 years later by forcing them down their children while they're too young to know what they're doing and give consent.

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>>131103767
Religion based on terror. Who spreads it is terrorist.

>>131105612
Religion =! Spirituality =! Faith
Please learn to discern these 3 concepts from one another, as many atheists fail to do.

>>131105143
Just because you irrationally jumped doesn't mean you jumped *forward.* People who make irrational leaps tend to get things wrong, i.e. go backward. That's why you look before you leap. So no, the N(?)ihilist(?), by which I guess you mean the nontheist, is not further away from the truth, he's closer because he makes the effort to make good jumps.

>>131103767
I find it disgusting that people so readily dismiss out of hand something that people have believed in for thousands of years, and now somehow believe they are superior while having put in none of the work to investigate or question whether God exists.

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>>131103767
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."

You just haven't come to terms with how evil you really are.

Turn to Christ my brother.

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>>131110686
I find it disgusting that people so readily accept unquestioningly something that people have been violently disagreeing about for thousands of years, and now somehow believe they are superior while having zero evidence whatsoever that their particular concept of God exists.

>inb4 "but it says right here in the book"
I have a book too. Pic related.

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>>131111041
Are you really any happier?

You don't sound happy.

And Christians have been a relatively peaceful people the past 600 years or so.

>>131103767
how do u kno tho

>>131111041
The problem with atheist is they pick the simplest, crudest concept of god and rail against it. They don't do any research about actual theories or concepts about God or where the root of the belief comes from.

They just say "oh, spaghetti monster, yeah anyone who believes that is a MORON and I'm smarter than anyone who believes in that". So it's a quick and easy intellectual superiority trip that makes people feel good.

>>131103767
>Why do people still believe in religion?
because they lack the brainpower to realize that fairy-tales aren't real

>>131103767
They're belief systems.

without mentioning specific religions, there has to be a God. Thomas Aquinas has "The five ways" which are five proofs of God. one, for example, is that everything in existence that is has a cause, and that cause has a cause, etc. There has to be something that was the first cause, the causeless cause, something that transcends anything. that thing is what we call God

>>131103767
Them shilling

>>131112271
Yes, but Thomas Aquinas was an IDIOT, because he believed in a sky fairy. Just like all the supposed brilliant people of the past were just retards apparently. All these neckbeards today are smarter than them because they don't believe in God.

Yeah, this is what pathetic atheist tards actually believe.

>>131103767
Because it makes them feel better and/or because of tribe mentality, it's pretty simple.

Religion is simply a coping device in the same way that alcohol, drugs, sports, environmentalism, feminism and politics are. People get something out of believing in them and are blind to all evidence that proves that believing in God gets you the same results as believing in an Easter Island Moai. The mind can justify anything.

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>>131103767
I used to talk like you. Honestly, the older I get and the longer I look for answers, the more I understand religion. It's so important to have a sense of community, a set of rules, and a purpose in life. Religions give all three.

I think I'll start going to church soon. The religious schools I've been to were the happiest years of my life. It's a hard red pill to swallow, but sometimes, the truth isn't that important.

>>131111611

>"The problem with atheist is they pick the simplest, crudest concept of god and rail against it."
I think this is simply not true. The most common argument I see atheists use is that you cannot believe in something without evidence.

>"They don't do any research about actual theories or concepts about God or where the root of the belief comes from."
Neither do 99% of all religious people.

>"So it's a quick and easy intellectual superiority trip that makes people feel good."
Yes, but it doesn't render Atheism incorrect.

>>131113767
You can also get all those 3 things without religion. Maybe that is worth it considering all the historical and current problems with religions like ISIS and science-denial?

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>>131103767
>Why is religion still a thing
>Why do people have faith in something they can't see
>No proof of big bang
>By the grace of science we are here!
Well op why not be religious. It's an answer to the ultimate questions. Why are we here? How did we get here?

>But evolution
Why couldn't God have made the big bang and then made us through evolution? Bible says it took 6 days but what is the equivalent of 6 days to God, millions of years?

There is no reason why religion shouldn't still exist op. It provides a guide to life, connection to other people as well as (if you believe it or not) a higher being.

>>131114313
I'm not saying you can't be happy without a good religion, but religion is an easy way to do so. If you are happy as an atheist, more power to you. However, if somebody wants to join a peaceful religion (i.e., not fucking Islam), I see no issue with it. I find atheism to be lonely and boring. A good religion brings order, community, and purpose. That is why people still believe in religion.

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>>131114313
>alt-right brony flag
Everything you say goes here

>>131103767
Many posters have given solid responses ...

>> 131105143
Excellent comment. This could have been /thread.

Another excellent post :
>>131105477
One that tempers people who get (((lost))) in religion or a particular grouping of mythology about creation/creator(s).

>>131105813
Indeed. If a person doesn't know the difference between the three and wont do their own due diligence to understand them, a conversation is a non-starter and a waste of time.

>>131111611
Indeed. You waste enough time on such people in your youth that you eventually just learn to ignore them.

>>131105143
Correct. A lot of people get (((lost))) in religion or a particular mythos and fail to move forward with it in their personal life. At the end of the day, it comes down to the individual and what's in their heart. A devout athiest/nihilist can be equally as lost as a devout christian. It all comes down to the individual.

Some are searching for the deeper truths to life, some are just along for the ride.. whether they be athiest or deist.

>>131114093
There is evidence for religion. However, most atheists deny it because they think religion is wrong from the start. For example, the Bible. There are a lot of things in there that are very accurate records of history such as maps, but because it talks about there being a God most people refuse to use it as a source

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>>131103767

Tip harder, faggot.

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God is a sort of peace who reaches you through all faiths

>>131103767
Didn't some Japanese scientist posit that religiosity is the default for human mind and that it has basis in biology itself?

I find that idea compelling, especially since shutting down a specific part of your brain that governs your fear with magnetic fields effectively makes you stop believing in supernatural and shuts down your xenophobic instincts.

>>131103767
stoicism is the way forward. semitic religions are just poison for Indo-Europeans

>>131103767
Because Christianity and the morals with it are the only moral safeguard against Jewish perversion. The only defence of the weak and helpless is morality it's the only thing that keeps them safe. The good will of humanity. Once the Jews destroy this and the morality God gave us then we are open to social engineering, which never works out but a lot of people die and suffer.
How can you not believe in God when we have this level of conciesness, just because we can't understand Gods will we deny it's very existence. Very shortsighted.
People can doubt the church but its values will always hold true and all the corruption in the world cannot change those values. Although it's openly under attack every year.
Atheist faggots always develop an infactuation with a godless life so as to live in sloth and decay as sad virgins with no regrets.
Please go to your local Catholic Church and support your community.

>>131103767
Nowhere, in the "billions" of years, or whatever you claim, is there even enough time to create the TRILLIONS of lines of DNA to build just your eye. Let alone to ask which part of the eye came first. And the relationship needed between the software and hardware has to be there from the start. Could go on all day.

Dont be such a turd

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>>131103767
>belief evidence values disgusting better

>>131103767
Jesus was a fucking comedian and the bible is actually a prank. Believe me, I'm 2000 years old.

>>131103767
Religion still exists because of fear and delusion.

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>>131113350
Very good response.

Religions are just socially acceptable gangs. If I could remove all primitive beliefs and make sure no bullshit like it returns then I would do it in a heartbeat

>>131118789
No religion is acceptable over there besides Islam.

Proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A

>>131103767
Honestly, both extremes on this topic are fucking stupid. Personally, I am an Atheist but I see no harm in civilized religion. I will agree, Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth but I really see no issue whatsoever with Christianity. If it makes them a happier, kinder and more productive person, who am I to complain? Respect my lack of belief and I will respect your beliefs as long as they aren't completely backward.

Militant Atheists are fucking obnoxious and have absolutely no respect for others, they just can't accept that not everybody thinks like them. They claim to speak from a position of authority, and cannot fathom that maybe, just maybe, religion makes that individual's life better.

Christcucks are just as obnoxious, unable to accept that some people don't need religion to be happy or have a sense of purpose, who can't understand how anyone can find happiness or purpose in this vast, almost entirely empty universe we live in.

Can't we just come together, be friends, and crucify towelheads together?

>>131114684
>If there's no proof of X, then its obviously Y!
Not an argument
>Muh interpretation
None the less, I'd rather have Christfags than goatfucking monkeys. But due to the pussification of America, idk which is better anymore.

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>>131110919
>Turn to Christ my brother.
stop shitposting for your gay religion
this board isn't for conning more people into your bullshit

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>DUDE god doesnt exist and the universe is just a mistake that is infinitely expanding and will one day cease to exist so life is totally meaningless but you should adhere to what i consider to be moral LMAO.

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Without God, Id be just an animal, and you dont want that. I dont want to go back to living like that.
Without God, I would have no consequences for my actions. God gives me HOPE. men with no hope and no god are dangerous.

>>131115032
keep mutilating your children's genitals to appease your angry god, nigger
also, eating your god's flesh and blood in a cannibalism ritual is monkey tier as fuck

>>131121444
All actions have consequences, regardless of what you believe in. What the fuck are you talking about? If I kill or rape someone, do I not get punished for it by being sent to jail?

>>131121362
where is looking at traps and BBC on 4chan on that pyramid? i guess that's cool with your gay god since you are here

>>131103767
Everyone here is fighting over the same shit, and they fail to realize this argument has never and will never go anywhere. You can't argue against logic with faith, or against faith with logic.

Just live with eachother, fuck.

We both hate Muslims. We both hate SJWs. The enemy of my enemy, no?

>>131103767
THE WORLD IS A BUSINESS. religion is a tool that helps you succeed in that business. it helps shape your mind and turns you into a super helpful, pleasant, goal-oriented super human.

>>131103767
jesus is an ultimate cuck

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>>131103767
Why did /pol turn into such a shit hole of edgy teenies that do not want to go to church with their father on sundays ?

Saged

>>131111843
edgy, did daddy make u go to church

There's nothing you can say that isn't real after collective shitposting and autistic banter put a glorified real estate agent in the White House and in the same year revealed South Korea's president was a cultist. About half a year after the end of that year, we have had major pundits discussing tentacle pornography live on air while ripping on another pundit, and constant fits of poetic irony. We are past the point of absurdity where this is no longer just pure unpredictable chaos, but definitely the product of some greater author or creator.

>It's clearly not real. There is no god or gods

Prove it.

edgy

>>131122344
To be fair, the Burden of proof lies in the one who says something does exist.

>>131103767
I had to convince the logical brain because I don't operate on the normal level of fee-fees.

If you want a quantum physics version of the Bible, read The Keys of Enoch.
Just keep it in the back of your mind and you will come to it when you're ready.
Have fun, it's a hell of a journey.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251531226_The_decay_of_Western_civilization_Double_relaxed_Darwinian_Selection

Our ancients had it right, but not the full picture.

The fear of God is necessary for the stupid people to be held in check, but it does not work on the smarter ones; they require a scientific reason as to why not do certain(degenerate) things.

Moral degeneracy leads to genetic degeneracy leads to societal degeneracy, species degeneracy, and extinction.


The World Religions are sets of traditional values given authority. They are values that have evolved overtime and proven themselves to function. The death of the God concept is ruining the values which is ruining our people.

Be glad that people worship and scorn those that do not for it is they who do not worship who destroy our civilization.

>>131121749
ive been to prison, it doesnt scare me.
if youve been to prison, youll know what i mean when i say it gets pretty comfy in there. when youve got nothing, you find out what is truly important.

God will never abandon me, yet ive seen countless men wither away, in spirit and in arms.

>>131123164
So you basically just admitted here that religion is for dumb people but people evolving past that point is a bad thing.

Makes sense.

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>>131123164
For the smart people, God and science go hand in hand. There is no conflict there, one clarifies the other.

Why are Christians so dumb, yet Theists/Deists are so smart.

>>131103767
>Why do people still believe in religion?
They have a latent mental illness. like mild schizophrenia.

>>131122711
I'm not saying God exists, I'm saying you cannot know.
Prove me wrong.

>>131105143
>>there is an absolute truth about the universe/reality

I firmly reject that idea

Now what

>>131112461
We are smarter than they are because they passed on their accumulated knowledge.

>>131124827
I can't. If you read my previous posts you'll understand that I'm in the neutral on this topic, and I was just pointing out that neither side can prove anything, making this argument ultimately pointless.

>>131125009
Your subjective opinion is objectively wrong.

>>131125209
Then we agree.
Good day to you sir.

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>>131121349
I hope you burn in hell for all eternity and God lets me watch your smoke ascend forever and ever.

>Revelation 14

>>131125211
Unless you can provide direct, objective evidence YOU have the subjective opinion. His is ultimately a lack of one, though it may not seem that way to someone who sees their subjective opinion as the norm and painfully obvious.

>>131125120
>We are smarter than they are
We really aren't. We have more collected knowledge but individually we are not smarter on average. Not even close. There's such a thing as earned knowledge. These guys understood that concept.

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>>131125296
you appear to be rather butt blasted
do you need some ointment?
MAYBE YOU SHOULD PRAY FOR SOME
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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>>131103767
to find meaning

>>131103767
Religion has been a part of every human society on record. If you can't understand why, then you aren't really human.

>>131125444
>but individually we are not smarter on average.
Says who, you?

>>131112271
That only rationalizes the idea of A god though, it doesn't say anything about their values, goals or affiliation, so whilst I can see that a god might exist, I don't know how people can be so sure about their chosen religion.

>>131125296
don't you wish you were back on redddit where you can censor and ban people that post great works of art that happen to not conform to your gay views?

Without Christianity, people become moralless, valueless atheists susceptible to cultural relativism where everything is subjective—curiously enough—except the West

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>>131103767
I'm not religious, but I understand that faith is a big part of it. Do you understand the concept of faith op?

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>>131125506
>that comment

SURE IS SUMMER!

I hope your mother gets cancer you piece of shit cancerfag.

>>131125935
it was just used to explain phenomenon like rain and other natural events

>>131112271
What says that god has to be sentient, however? I think we can all agree that ultimately there is some objectively ultimate force that rules the universe.

I would argue where we diverge is whether or not that force is divine and sentient, lacking in any kind of consciousness.

>>131126373
Or*** Forgot a word

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>>131126313
>I hope your mother gets cancer
SURE IS CHRISTIAN!

>>131126445
>yfw Christians are more hardcore than poser Satan fags.

>>131126305
this

Also, I support Christians as long as they attack Islam
>fight fire with fire

>>131126445
God loves me, can you say the same you filthy heathen?

You deserve hell for the sins you've committed.

I'm not your cancer ridden mother, you came here to hear the truth, didn't you?

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>>131103767
God is a programmer. We live in a quark simulator. The God Hypothesis stands.

>>131125955
You're saying that we're smarter on average today than the brightest people from the past?

>>131103767
Why do people even respond to such obvious bait?

the fool in his heart says there is no God.

>>131126694
ROFLMAO. Most people can't even identify a Nigger.
>it's a person

>>131126694
Ever heard of the term "on the shoulders of giants?" We build upon the work of our ancestors, and that includes the work of the mind.

Literacy, scientific expertise, etc. do not equate intelligence.

>>131103767
Most people do it to fit in. Honestly I say I am religious and even go to church, but deep down I know everything is just a pile of shit. I also hate all this liberal shits ruining my society with cuckery, so going back to those "christian values" does sound good. If you think about it most of the smart "christians" are agnostic not actual christians.

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>>131126927
Especially pedophiles.

>>131126876
>Literacy, scientific expertise, etc. do not equate intelligence.

That's my point. He's saying we're smarter now than people in the past. I don't think we have more fluid intelligence. We have more accumulated scientific knowledge, but nothing that would invalidate the existence of God anymore than at any other time in the past.

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>>131126618
i love when at the first bit of pushback that christians abandon their "beliefs" and become savage muslims

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>>131126694
Yes actually, is not like those bright people made everything from scratch. They too had to study from their ancestors. Are you saying that the person who invented the wheel is smarter than everyone that came after him? You think intelligence is all that matters when making a scientific breakthrough?

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>>131103767
>Why do people still believe in religion?

>1. Path of least resistance for the brain
- it's harder to think than not to
- wroughting neural pathways takes work and become harder with age (*see § 4.)
- once the "God" path is paved, all information flows down through it / is seen through said warped prism

>2. It's a cure-all
- patently, plebes want one pill to sure all that ails them -- religion is this
- life is hard; deluding oneself, not so much
- religion raped societies (like Brugerland) are literally bred to seek 'messiahs' -- hence, an tax-exempt evangelist on every corner

>3. Gives plebes a sense of "knowing"
- not unlike a "truther" (((thinks))) they're privy to some grand secret
- similar to the InfoWarts phenomenon -- it gives plebes a "truth" that reconciles the reality of their tumultuous (or prosaic), otherwise inutile lives

>4. Child abuse
- 'Give me your child for its first seven years, and I will give you the man.' (Jesuit axiom)
- the frontal cortex (logic-processing region of the brain) only fully develops by 25 years -- godtards psychologically molest kids while they're using their amygdala (emotional centre), thus 'programming' them before they can actually THINK enough to know who their rapist is

>5. Inmates running the asylum
- ~4 billion espouse Abrahamic mind-control
- influential nations (Burgerland, Zion, most mud states) are brain fucked
- these nihilists will literally go full "holy war" (and do -- every day, in fact) to protect their brain-rotten institutions

>Solution:
- breeding licenses -- only secular parents allowed to breed
- closure of all indoctrination cults parading as [religious] "schools"
- cut all ties with godtard nations -- by very definition, they need us more then we need them (they have to proselytise / recruit / spread, otherwise they cannibalise themselves)
- any religious study (for children) must only be permitted in a neutral and secular environment, and must never be didactic

>Failing thus:

>>131127486
You just contradicted yourself. You asked me if intelligence is all that matters when making a scientific breakthrough. No, it isn't.

Therefore, just because we have more scientific knowledge doesn't make us more intelligent now than we were then.

>>131127221
You're not wrong but the inverse is true as well - there's no more evidence for the existence of God than there was at the dawn of humanity either.

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Science here. Ask me anything.

>>131103767

I'm a Christian because Christ fulfilled the Messianic prophecies. I know it's hard to take on faith without reason, that's why you don't have to! This website goes into more detail on the subject, and I heavily recommend it.

>> http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

>>131127690
But the difference is we believe in him today much less than we used to, and it's not a matter of greater intelligence.

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>>131126642
>the architect

>>131103767
Because it's scary to know that when you die you're out even if your life is shitty it's got to be better than nothing and religion is the thing that says hey don't worry there's more

>>131124039
agreed. it's pretty rare to find people who get this.

>>131127785
It has nothing to do with intelligence.
It has to do with a deeper understanding about the universe and our place in it. People learn what we know to be objectively true (Gravity, the formation and death of stars, etc) and come to their own conclusions. Individual intelligence has nothing to do with it. I know dumb as rock atheists and absolutely brilliant devout Christians.

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>>131103767
you fucker. you made me look up harlold. !

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>>131127720
Hadad here -- pray to my vanity

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>>131103767

The holy bible actually is very good self help book. If you understand how the ideas evolued and came to be. Also when man does not submit to a higher power then man thinks he is god. Plus the nihilism and factory associated with that. There is a divine spirit within us, thus we all have the capacity to redeem ourself and live good lives

>>131103767
I've lived almost 40 years as an atheist. Dabbled in Satanism and chaos magic too. That's recently changed for me as I'd consider myself a Christian. I pretty much felt the call overnight. I don't talk about it with anyone, as it's very personal. It's not related to mental illness or a major life change or anything. It just happened suddenly and unexpectedly. Ive always felt happy and satisfied with my life but my faith is different. Striving to live a new life in Christ is special for me. Because my life long habit was one of atheism, I don't quarrel with atheists. Everyone is living out their own journey.

>>131128074
But again, there's nothing about what science has discovered about the universe that should discount the existence of God.

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>>131111263

you kinda forgot the Spanish inquisition. I feel like the mudslime are in that phase right now.

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You guys know the bible isn't real, right?

>>131127595
>just because we have more scientific knowledge doesn't make us more intelligent now than we were then.
Yes, it does. Why is it so hard to understand that you are smarter because you have more knowledge and access to more knowledge that they could ever dream of fucking having.

>>131128367
You are confusing fluid intelligence with crystallized intelligence.
Crystallized intelligence is just accumulated knowledge.

>>131128430
Variables, if you will.

I read Spinoza

>>131103767
We superior people need religion to control the masses.

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>>131119904

We should do it like the romans. Where they flip the cross up side down

>>131103767
You cannot prove to me that god is not real.

>>131128281
I'm not claiming to know the hows or whys. I just noticed a pattern - when people understand the world better, they lose faith. Why? That can't be answered without answering the god question first.

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Christfag here

Someone had to program particles and atoms to bond chemically to other chemicals. Someone had to tell cells to divide X-times to create a human based on chromosomes. I can go on and on but this reality is no accident. Someone must have made us if everything follows a certain set of instructions since some entity had too give them said instructions. Who programmed our reality to be the way it is?

>>131128641
Nor can you prove God is.

>>131128281
Just like it doesn't discount the existence of a flying rubber duck that can blow up universes. The question is when you say "God" which God are you talking about?

>>131104235
Guys, I think I found the next terrorist in France!
>Sand nigger
>flag

Its happening!!

>>131127529
Try telling all the men and women that have been martyred in the name of Christ that their faith is the path of least resistance.
Were you to ever adopt Christian beliefs, you'd see that almost every moment of your day can be a sandtrap of inner dialogue regarding ethical choices. It can be utterly exhausting. There's nothing cute or simple about being a devout Christian.

>>131128237
Happened suddenly.
> not a mental illness

>>131128755
The original position was that since we are more intelligent (have more scientific knowledge), we have less reason to believe in God's existence. I'm saying that's not the case because nothing we've learned about the universe has any bearing on God's existence one way or the other.

>>131111843
Tip of the fedora to you Luke Basement-dweller

>>131129175
Yet there is an undeniable pattern of more educated people being less religious as a whole. That is what he is saying, he is not claiming as to know why.

>>131129175
>I'm saying that's not the case because nothing we've learned about the universe has any bearing on God's existence one way or the other.
Yeah you are right. But it disproves a big portion of the Bible.

>>131128641
do you believe in invisible unicorns based on the fact that someone has not proved they aren't real?

>>131128237
>chaos magic too
you have a mental illness if you ever thought this was legit in any degree

>>131129476
>Anarchist flag
>Calling people mentally ill

Pick one

>>131129013
>Leaf

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>>131129337
I think this is the crux of the issue. The conception of God as given by the Bible and other religious texts, as taken literally, doesn't stand up well to scientific scrutiny.

Most athiest fags don't even know that theology is a scholarly subject that can be studied at college.

>>131129013
Yeah, that's how I would have responded as well once upon a time. I guess to be more precise, it was a culmination of things I was things about, and a conversation I had with a ex atheist that left me feeling skeptical. Then one night I decided to read the gospel of Luke to investigate what this person had said. So the "sudden" part was more about my being open minded to ideas that normally repulsed me, and my willingness to continue studying the book. What was most surprising to me was how compelling and inspiring it was. Nothing had really changed with me, but it was like opening a window for fresh air. I started to think about being a better person with a higher ideal for the kind of man I'd like to be. Sounds like nutty bullshit? I used to jump all over Christians for saying stuff like that. I'm happy about this change.

>>131129785
so can "women's studies"
doesn't make either of them legitimate curriculum

>>131129476
For me it's just something to bullshit about over many beers. I would say that sigil magic may have some validity if you're trying to reprogram you mind subconsciously, but really, it's a bunch of crap that there's no time for.

>>131129785
is this supposed to support that god exists?

I love the lets make fun of atheists angle. Not really much of a counter argument

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>>131128018
>smart people agree with me through these vague quotes that don't clarify their beliefs

>>131131079
Eh, the picture was just an accent to my comment, but if you wanna pick on it go ahead.
He's not the only one to have said something similar, and it wasn't taken out of context in any way.

Only an absolute fool would demand evidence for metaphysical concepts. As someone said in a different religion thread a few days ago: "Asking for empiric evidence of metaphysics is like trying to measure the Earth with a ruler." Are you really incapable of imagining a reality in which the powers that be do not bow down to you and concern themselves with making sure that you know that they exist? Get it through your head: Reality does not revolve around you. To turn away from the truth simply because you cannot be sure of it is hubris and nothing more. It is the opposite of intelligence. It is foolishness. When you play a fair game of poker, are you ever shown your opponent's hand at the start? So does that mean that it's impossible to know what your opponent has? Of course not. You watch the way that your opponent plays and you notice that it correlates with what they would do if they had a particular hand. Reason without evidence.

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>>131128091
what the fuck is that?

>>131130886
In defense of atheists, religious assholes fail to grasp the definition of atheism, literally meaning: without religious belief. There's nothing to make fun of because there's no material to rip on. Christianity is its own worst enemy because of assholes that think belittling others will be a salve for their doubt and insecurity. I think we should drop the belief vs non belief debates and just focus on anti social asshole behavior in both camps.

>>131103767

god does exist, in a metaphorical sense

hint: it has to do with reincarnation, and with consciousness

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>>131131373
never mind. I notice the Mrs. Spelling now. AHAF, doe. Check please!

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>>131103767
Atheists are societal cancer.

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>>131131761
Of course, why do you think (((they))) peddle so hard to undermine Christianity? You see how the good goys here have followed suit.

>>131103767
Pantheism is the final red pill.

It shows that we, and the universe, are an all encompassing "god" that is experiencing itself within different dimensions of "reality".

>>131131918
In that capacity, isn't pantheism and monotheism the same thing?

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>>131131659
my mind is blown. THis is a thread about religion and shit. I thought it was a harold bread. Is this a Harold Thread now?

>>131131918

Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.

>>131132021
The answer is yes, but Monotheists usually don't understand that.

>>131130886
It means that there are people out there doing research, and you have done none. Your claims don't deserve any respect, because you have put no effort into them.

>>131130539
Oh the anarchist is talking to me..... awkward.

>>131103767

There's a lot of unknown out there, OP. What we don't know far exceeds what we do know... and even what we do know, we are fundamentally unsure of. Our only possible perception of the outside world is through our senses- so for all the people that felt God, or felt the influence of prayer- that is just as good as real. It came from the same source as all information anyone will ever receive, so treating it differently is absurd.

>>131103767
a thread of thoughtlets

>>131105012
>Thank you, nigger, but the question is - why?
Same reason you don't want your race and culture to die.

It's part of your history; your identity.

yeah ive been alive for a couple of decades and never seen god mustnt be real hey i reckon the universe was just shit out of a blackhole or something and that robots invented life science rules!

>>131103767
All religion should be purged. Kudos to britbros for leaving fairly tales.

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>>131128937
>path of least resistance

This expression does not denote inculcated pathology or insanity. It refers to the reconciliation of illogical concepts--that which requires some understanding of the physical world to accomplish.

"God" allows the rudimentary mind to abandon the need to fashion the new neural networks that they need to develop the logic required solve a given problem. It gives theses plebes the 'crib notes'; it offers them a 'sick note' -- a dispensation from reality.

And when a society is nurturing the populace to become automaton drones, these hapless goyim will never have the intellectual tools to emancipate themselves from this mental serfdom -- much less, deal with reality.

>the irony
It will be the very technology that is in large part rendering religion defunct, that will in fact extinct us -- not ideology -- through our lack of prudence in preparing ourselves for its unstoppable, exponential evolution.

i honestly hate hearing atheist say they need proof

do you have proof that your the only concious being in the world?

only way to have that is psychic powers and being inside someone elses mind

idk if atheists think theyre the only real person in the world but if you need evidence to believe in something then whats stopping them from acting like were just meatbags?

>>131133994
Meh, they've just been sold on something the same way women were sold on feminism, despite it being against their own self interest.

>>131103767
>Why do people still believe in evolution?
>It's clearly not real. There is missing link. Our imagination does not count, since it is not evidence.
>Maybe it's just for people who were beaten up too bad and need artificial values to survive in the real world?
>Don't you find it disgusting that people still worship non-existent things and would the world be better if they were just all exterminated or left in their shit countries?

>>131133994
t. doesn't know what evidence means.


To evidence a claim is not the same as disproving all other possible claims. There's no requirement to disprove the "magical puppet meatbags with no consciousness" theory in order to evidence the "people are conscious like me" theory.

The evidence for them being conscious is that they behave like we would expect conscious beings to behave.

>>131125296
Find forgiveness brother. These people are sick they need help.

To atheists: why would nature develop agency? I understand chemistry. Why would the chaos of the universe create creatures with will? Just luck?

Noted your chance, try to free me from my delusions.

>>131134560
>To atheists: why would nature develop agency?
One possibility is that humans evolved in competition with eachother. The ones who reproduce are the ones who could better predict the actions of the other humans. Thus, our brain evolved to be a very advanced "human simulator". And our consciousness is our brain simulating what we think we would do.

I'm an agnostic and I'd rather see Christians stay in power over any other 3rd world religion.

>>131133564
Correct me if I misunderstand you, but I don't think I'd agree that Christians are incapable of discovery, innovation or problem solving.

>>131133564
I have to fully agree with the irony. Society struggles with tech that will relatively seem as if it's of the Stone age.

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>>131135841
Until the Battle of Vienna (1683), when pushed to the bring of extinction by the muselmann, christgoys were literally in the Dark Ages compared to the rest of the planet.

It was only after this last gasp reprieve, that the European renaissance of secularity began and science was seen as the way forward -- nay superstition. Indeed, this was also what marked the beginning of the decline of the Islamic Age.

>>131118193
Isn't this a parody account? Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else

>>131103767
>Clearly not real
LMAO, are your even trying?

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>>131103767

religion exists to control women and their hypergamy.

thats literally the only reason. to keep women from whoring around. you simply cannot tell women to keep their vaginas shut or society will collapse because men become chads and have no incentive to settle down with used up whores. women just dont give about societys future.

but if you tell these 98iq people that there is a "god" who wants this or you go to hell otherwise, and this theme gets reinforced by everyone in society, women will believe this bullshit and stay chaste (at least more than if you didnt have religion).

that is literally the only reason why religion persisted.

civilizations, cultures who were so "smart" to abadon religion perished within a few hundreds years. you see the same thing happening with atheistic europe being replaced by allah-worshipping sandniggers.

>>131136349
>European renaissance
>secular
Wew lad. Secularity back then was like homosexuality now.

>>131103767
It's not difficult to prove that there is a greatest possible thing. I'm going to label it God, and worship it in the traditions of my ancestors.

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>>131137239
>muh sodomites are harbingers of societal collapse meme

>>131137481
That's not what I meant at all. I was just saying that it was extremely uncommon. People back then actually thought sometimes, so atheism never stuck.

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>>131137963
"Atheism" is a word that has become a veritable epithet that is used by the godtard in and attempt to drag secular free-thinkers down to their fretful, superstition worshipping level.

This is why many well known "atheists" enisle themselves from the term and never actually refer to themselves as such.

It is the same technique that the godtard avails when assuming "race" (or "racism"), when referring to their dogmatic denomination. Of course, an absurd muddling of the language. But effective nonetheless... if repeated enough times... to stupid enough people.

>>131138359
That has nothing to do with what I said.

>>131105143
Nice post anon

>>131112461
>sky fairy
Idolatry is a sin, stop attacking your own strawmans you autist

>>131142210
Shut up nigger

>>131103767
Can we worry about this whole Your Christian and I'm Atheist thing after we tell the Mudslimes to fuck off
(((They))) want us to fight each other

>>131142675
>Stop thinking! Thinking is what the Jews want you to do!

>>131103767
Sort yourself out, clean your room.

>>131104235
Go back where you / your parents came from