>mfw atheist think nothing is real >thinking consciousness/will

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>he doesn't belive in omnipresence when he is surrounded constanly by matter/energy
>he has to NERF God to win arguements
fucking thoughtlets. Day of the rock.

>Theist pill
>The weak are at the mercy of the strong
>As though our personal God is the true, all-permeating omnipotence
>God has no God

What even is this Theist pill,

W0K3F4G?

>>131083895
Oy vey how subversive.

God submits to his authority, ergo God has a God

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>>131082773
...
...No...

>>131085445
It's true. You worship nothing as if it were a God.

All your theories are predicated on the existence of this "nothing" being a real place where 'things' sprung.

In reality, God created light, divided the water, and gave us the world with everything in it. Created in His image.

>when thoughtlets are so stunted they cant comprehend that conciousness is not limited to the body
>imply conciousness came from no where "by total chance goy"
ahahahahAHAHAHAHHA

>>131082773
>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source

That's the biggest irony with atheists. They call themselves rational thinkers when they can't even explain the existence of rationality without God.

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>>131086372
Forgot my image

>>131082773
How about you take the who gives a fuck pill.
Stop trying to rationalize existence, both theists and atheists are guilty of this.
Just exist.

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>>131086591
>don't cultivate your soul

>>131082773
who created god though? fuck your ever expanding tautology

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>>131086851
Your very post posits the existence of nothing. You only think God has to be created because you believe in nothing.

You probably think consciousness comes from your brain because you're a stunted thoughtlet

>>131082773
>implying consciousness is real and not an illusion
The theist pill is nothing but a blue suppository.

>>131087039
>believes everything is an illusion
>talking to the illusion
someone's off his meds

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THIS HERE IS THE
A T H E I S T S L A U G H T E R H O U S E !

>>131086591
>Just exist.

Existentialism is cancer and Heidegger rightfully pointed it out.

>>131088093
consciousness is the ability to determine right from wrong.

an animal knows not to snap the neck of its young when it sucks for milk.

Atheists wish to destroy. Nothing is a false concept. God created the world and saw that it was good. Evil is the opposite of creation; not "nothing", a fallacious, invented concept that cannot and will not be demonstrated as it is not real.

When you believe in nothing, you believe consciousness is merely the brain's self awareness, which leads you to commit evil, rejecting God. Rejecting the infinite.

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*tips in*
Excuse me allow my to lay this out simply from one enlightened being to the unevolved.

First. There was a singular *PRRRT* and from that prrt came a larger infinite *BRAAAAAAAAAP*

The science is quite settled you see
*tips you*

>>131084297
>God submits to his authority, ergo God has a God
LOL

Is god a satanist?

>>131090554
Lucifer was his favorite angel.

>>131090389
I, too, have read Charles Darwin's: Origin of the Feces

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once again shills send me their scraps

will thoughtlets ever learn?

>>131082773
you already posted this thread

the void is infinite therefore the void is god. do I have to reitterate everything?

>>131092382
there's no void. you can't just rename nothing. you believe in made up stuff.

God is everything infinite. He is tangible. We see evidence everywhere. So much evidence we don't live long enough to conceive it all. Thanks to his grace and forgiveness we can return to him through Christ.

Nothing does not exist. Your void is Harry Potter fanfiction. Creation is the opposite of destruction.

>>131088988
>consciousness is the ability to determine right from wrong.
Incorrect. Consciousness is just being aware of one's surroundings. You are speaking of morality.
Speaking of which, an explanation on where that came from is rather simple. Environmental pressures in nature have made it so the creatures who are best suited for propagation and survival will do so. A creature that snaps the neck of it's own young won't find it's genetic lineage spreading. Ergo these creatures don't propagate while the others do. There are some exceptions to this trend, such as with dolphins murdering their young (though they also murder the young of others AND breed quickly, so that explains why their traits spread so well). The reason this is in humans and most animals is because it best helped us in the evolutionary chain to survive. This is made even more obvious in the case of herd creatures, where all must work together to keep the pack/herd/school/group alive.
Of course this is a simplified version of my argument, but it covers both the basics and enough details to make my point clear.
So, that covers the first half of your argument, and the other half has little to no grounds in reality. So I'd say we're done here. I hope you learn from this and better understand the viewpoint you are trying to undermine and destroy so you may actually make a coherent argument.

>>131093448
>A creature that snaps the neck of it's own young won't find it's genetic lineage spreading. Ergo these creatures don't propagate while the others do
this means at the moment of CREATION they had to be demonstrating this behavior INHERENTLY or they would have all died and there would be nothing.

Morality can only come from consciousness.

I'd say you're done hanging yourself. You may leap.

>>131082773
There is no proof that any religion is true, get over it. I am not saying there is no God but come on guys. Believe if you want I have no problem with pagans and Christians (fuck Muslims) but until you guys get some evidence your not going to be converting any people with half a brain.

>>131093707
>this means at the moment of CREATION they had to be demonstrating this behavior INHERENTLY or they would have all died and there would be nothing.
Incorrect. There are people who, be it from genetic defects or mental illnesses, show such a lack of morality. The same applies to animals, as both are creatures with minds and DNA.
Morality does come with consciousness, but not in the way you think it does. Without consciousness, we wouldn't be able to make decisions. And what is morality without decision? The animals of lower consciousness, such as the Smooth-Brained Koala have shown moral behavior without the ability to make decisions (Caring for it's young, feeding them, etc.)
So no, I haven't hung myself. In fact I still feel as if I had explained myself better than you have, or at the very least gone into more detail.

Also, as an unrelated side note
>Thoughtlet.
It's brainlet.

>>131094159
>your not going to be converting any people
except agnostics becase
>well I guess that can be true

>with half a brain
checks out

>>131094159
>your not going to be converting any people with half a brain.
we should find their other half so they can join reason and intelligent discourse.

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>>131094384
>thoughtlet thinks thoughts come from brains
this is why you are a thoughtlet
Of course defects exist because if there is creation there must be destruction of imperfection. Only perfect ones may breed AKA create. Evil is hunted and exterminated.

>implying consciousness/will exists
Humans are just smart animals. Still subject to their instincts more than their thinking.

>>131082773
As far as arguments for god go thats a poor one.

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>>131094784
>the absolute state of thoughtlets

>>131094688
>No proof of thoughts being outside of the brain.
>Experiments have show that manipulation of the brain manipulates thoughts.
Sure showed me there.

>Of course defects exist.
This still doesn't disprove my point. Perhaps you don't understand, but when I say genetic or mental defects I say something was damaged, for lack of a better word, in the offspring that wasn't in the parents.
>Only the perfect ones may breed.
False yet again, but once again not for the same reasons you might think.
This time you are wrong because perfection does not exist, for in saying something is perfect you are saying it cannot be improved at all, in any way. In nature this is abundantly clear given how each species either has a fault or could be better, either physically, mentally, or some other way. Since these creatures can, and have been, breeding for many generations, it is safe to say your theory is wrong.

>>131095048
>The absolute state of not an argument.

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>>131095589
I've demonstrated 'nothing' is totally false, and every atheist religion is predicated on that fallacy.

I've destroyed atheism. Permanently. It is the argument to end all arguments. Their entire world view is done. Their God is a lie.

>>131095517
>no proof of thoughts being outside the brain
AI can't behave without a body.
Your stomach
A lot of thinking is done in your brain stem, not your brain.

I didn't need 3 examples, but I'm smart, so here we are. I'm sure there are more. I didn't need a single example, honestly. It's self evident.

>>131095709
>I've demonstrated 'nothing' is totally false, and every atheist religion is predicated on that fallacy.
That is itself totally false. You have demonstrated nothing to anyone, merely using insults and poorly constructed reasoning to try and create a half assed pseudo intellectual "argument" against atheism and have failed more than the average fundamentalist.
The other part about every atheist religion being predicated on that fallacy is false simply because there are only one or two atheist religions (vanilla atheism and that shit with feminism), and the latter is focused on nothing being inherently right or wrong, with no objectivity (Itself false, but that's neither here nor there). Furthermore, by saying this you are heavily implying that atheism is totally false.
You haven't destroyed atheism. In addition to not having an argument coherent enough to stand up to moderate scrutiny, you also only spread your word in this small board on this small website, rather than somewhere where more people can listen to you. You haven't elicited enough of a change to dent the ideology, much less destroy it.
You haven't provided the argument to end all arguments, unless you use it to shut down any arguments without actually having any reasoned discussion on your side. Much like how modern feminism will use words such as Islamophobe.
The atheist has no god, so even that is wrong.

In short, you've done nothing. And for someone who calls his opponents thoughtlets, you sure are acting like one.

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>>131096288
bacteria
viruses
plants
none have brains, but all driven by will of some kind... according to a plan... generated somehow... given form... thought?

>>131096568
>You have demonstrated nothing
impossible

>>131082773
>can't handle the idea that maybe life is meaningless
>anyone who disagrees is a thoughtlet

try harder, christfag

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>>131096568
>you also only spread your word in this small board on this small website
that sounds like a challenge

>>131096704
and that plan is called chemistry
do you really think your cells actively choose to gather oxygen because they know it's good for them ?

>>131096977
of course.

stem cells themselves become exactly what is good for them.

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The universe always being there is just as likely as God always being there-
at least we know the universe exists.

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>>131097121
Good, we're getting closer

>>131097092
do I need to explain dna and genes ?
you're fucking retarded dude
I hope you're doing this ironically

>>131097121
but check this out: the 'universe' (haha) always being there is proof of the infinite which is God. God is infinite.

This is why atheists construct their religion around the belief in nothing. So they can deny the infinite, because God is unquestionably infinite.

>>131097471
>Implying DNA and RNA would exist without a consciousness in the first place
Otherwise you're still implying it came from nothing. An apple needs a tree. You don't get apples without trees.

>>131097196
you have no basis to your belief that a god exists. is it possible that the universe has always existed? sure. is it possible that a god has always existed and created the universe? sure.
you have no reason to believe the latter other than some guy whose mom lied about being a whore then went out into the desert and realized he was god after suffering from heat stroke

neck yourself

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>>131097721
God is infinite. He is self evident. If infinite exists, and it does, then God exists.

Atheists belong to the cult of nothing to conceal this FACT. They believe in a lie.

>>131097818
>creating an assumption
>claiming a statement is true based on said assumption
>have no way to prove assumption is true

kill yourself

>>131097626
It's still chemistry you fucktard and chemistry doesn't choose
You don't even comprehend the scale of complexity a string of dna has, nor the amount of time it took to evolve to the current stage it is and you're talking about fucking apples

This idea is so heavily resisted because there's so much value placed on so called 'finite' resources that are actually infinite.

Materialism is pushed hard by Hollywood to make you put great value on 'things' because one day there might be 'nothing'. It's the liberal atheist version of Hell

Like madonna shills "in a material world" "i am a material girl"

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>>131098522
>You don't even comprehend the scale of complexity a string of dna has
>says while rejecting the complexity that is God
>rejecting creators
>rejecting universal consciousness when life achieved its will from something that must has already existed as this could not have come from nothing
>implying this all happened by chance
>implying you have any reason to align yourself with such a nihilistic and preposterous notion that will do nothing but stunt him for the rest of his thoughtlet life

>>131096288
>AI can't behave without a body.
But it cannot think without a brain. This isn't a matter of bodies, but brains.
>Your stomach.
Doesn't think. Those things you hear and feel from it are mostly chemical reactions in your brain. Using the stomach as an example is like saying a fire has thought because it burns and consumes wood.
>A lot of thinking is done in your brain stem, not your brain.
Even were that true, the brain stem is still a part of the brain. Ergo, the brain stem counts as a brain.

>I didn't need 3 examples, but I'm smart.
You sure haven't shown me here. Or anywhere else for that matter.
>>131096704
>Bacteria
I'll admit, it does seem to think, but it's not actually thought. Just responses from receptors on the body. While one could argue that these reactions are thought, it only counts in the most broad of terms for the most simplistic of functions. In short, only in a general sense that, for what you are trying to describe, doesn't count. That would be like saying because a Koala can propagate, it can think. (It actually can't)
Source on the bacteria receptors: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100114143310.htm
>Viruses.
Same principle as mentioned before.
>Plants.
Again, same principle. There is a difference between being able to react to pain and stimulus (which only requires a nervous system) and thought.
So no, you still haven't proven anything of merit.

>>131096727
The things you have said in this thread show otherwise.
>>131096945
Go ahead, maybe being shown by people who can actually form a coherent argument how and why you are wrong will make you reconsider your entire "thought" process.

>>131082773
not an atheist, but consciousness did evolve and is irreversibly tied to matter (we know this because we can kill a clump of matter in your brain and it directly affects your consciousness)

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/how-consciousness-evolved/485558/

>>131099528
>only the brain thinks
you're ignoring the will, and what sets life apart from the inanimate. breeding, reproduction.

You are a thoughtlet. A prisoner to your (((brain))).

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>>131099766
>being shown by people who can actually form a coherent argument
so not you professional clowns?

>>131099817
>destroying the stage is proof there's no theater.
nice try

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>>131086007
...no.

>>131099330
you're thinking in abstracts because it's easier to do and you're still failing to do so
it's easier to being a philosopher than knowing how chemistry and biology work

>implying you have any reason to align yourself with such a nihilistic and preposterous notion that will do nothing but stunt him for the rest of his thoughtlet life
utilitarianism ? I can see that work, but then again you truly seem to believe the bullshit you spew, so something's amiss here

I'm out, your argument is some new age shit ( the power of consciousness uuuuuuh how can this magnet attach itself to this piece of iron it must be by choice ! ) and it's late

>>131100301
>in the beginning there was nothing. no drive, no consciousness, but by chance... I farted.
See how this works? Your chemistry doesn't function without God's command.

>>131099847
The will is a part of the brain, as alterations to the brain and it's function (drugs, damage, removal, etc.) can reduce or even eliminate will.
As for what you said here >>131100108 , it is again incorrect. Destroying the brain has shown to destroy the thought, time and again. By comparing it to a theater and a stage, you are only showing how you know nothing about what you are trying to convey, and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>131099919
Oh if you think we're professional clowns, then you're in for a rude awakening should you go public with this information. Even worse if you go to an actual professional.

>>131100635
>The will is a part of the brain
WRONG

You should introduce yourself to clown #2 >>131100301

Then you can discuss how chemistry got its will

>>131100635
>if you go to an actual professional.
Tell your boss "BRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP" for me.

>>131082773
>3 threads
go get a job like a human being you fucking retard
And before you say shit I believe in god too
We talk about you all the time while we're having sex

>>131101069
>god says your gay
is this your end game?

>>131100635
So how did chemesty get its will?
Did it randomly *braaaaap*?

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>>131101189
No actually it said YOU'RE gay and should find some pussy before it's too late and you become a wizard instead of a main character
It said you won't find any posting on /pol/ for what seems like 12 hours
Seriously
Abandoning thread

>>131100804
We don't have to discuss how, we just need to show you it is a part of the brain, how it can be affected by chemicals in the brain (which I did in my previous post) and how it cannot exist outside of the brain (common knowledge; damage the brain you damage the will). In doing so, we show you the errors of your line of thinking.
As for how, it's a mixture of the plasticity of the human brain, the knowledge one has accumulated throughout his or her lifetime (case in point, the uneducated inner city thug), the intelligence of the particular individual (again, inner city thugs) and several other factors that I do not recall at the moment, though that doesn't prove your theory true.

In fact the more you post the way you do, without reasoning, sources, but with insults and pseudo philosophy, you are showing us (the readers and those who are arguing with you) how little sense you're little ramblings actually make.
>>131101428
Short answer: Evolutionary byproduct of intelligence. Along with what I had posted here.

>>131101660
shift change. will I get the A team this time or more bench scrubs?

>>131101742
>We don't have to discuss how
Some professional you are!

stop posting on this shit thread. op doesn't respond to any comments that shut his argument down

sage and move on fags

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>>131101660
Sounds like you had a nice chat with satan thoughtlet

>>131101960
>LARPing as the argument winner
forever a thoughtlet

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>>131082773
I'm agnostic, I believe in a higher power just don't believe in religion.

>God might be real
>there might be an afterlife
>rather have my existence cease to exist than go to an afterlife.

>>131082773
Is we must arise from this source, why does the source not obey the same rules?

Where does the source come from?

>>131100108
what is this even supposed to mean ?
That analogy doesn't work at all
It's more like mist above a lake - if you vacuum the lake, not gonna have the mist either.

atheism truly is the easiest religion to troll

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>>131102250
>mist metaphor
what a nihilist thing to say. are people mist to you?

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>>131101742
>We don't have to discuss how
What? Yes we fucking to. HOW does it work? WHERE did it originate and WHY? WHO or WHAT is responsible for it in the first place?
These are. Basic. Fucking. Questions.

You propose the will in these chemicas manifested from nowhere or random when they are energy and infact eternal and infinite. Changing but not destroyed nor created. You are made in his image. God is by deffinition infinite, eternal , ect

>>131102681
>what a nihilist thing to say
why?
>are people mist to you?
no - which part of my post implies this?

Consciousness is tied to matter, if it wasn't, why would changes in matter affect consciousness?

>>131101960
this is true, OP too comfortable thinking snark/memes count as a valid argument or will ever convince anyone

>>131082773
The laws of the universe allow conciousness to arise.
It's obviously true since it happened.

Thinking that out of everything in the universe only humans have a special property that exists out of the bounds of these laws is retarded and is self-delusion in the extreme.

>>131103044
>The image is tied to the mirror, if it wasn't, why would changes in the mirror affect the image?

>>131103133
>conciousness to arise.
from?

I will remind you 'nothing' does not exist. it is the religion of the Atheist and from this day forward is dead as FALSE.

I believe in God.

>>131103153
again with the cryptic analogy! You will have to explain what this means in concrete terms - what is the "mirror" in this case?
And why does the idea of consciousness being tied to matter threaten you so much?
What does it supposedly invalidate that makes you so uncomfortable?

>>131103544
Do you realize there is not an element, particle, etc inside you that is unique and that elements are found within the limitless space?
If you are made up of the energy/matter/ect in the universe, your consciousness is a result of the something that also already existed within it.

Basically, for a thoughtlet like you, if there is a singular conscious, there is evidence if not proof of omnipotence, a greater infinite concious. Much like how if there is one there is infinite.

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>>131082773
>he thinks
Reminder that attachment is the root of suffering

>>131102093
>larping as having an argument to begin with
does your mom know you're on the computer?

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>>131103906
without tolerating suffering, how are you supposed to engage the world at all?
And what is the point of existence if you are not meant to engage with the world?

Order/chaos must be in balance, same with pleasure/suffering. There can't be love without hate, you won't get a ripped body without breaking some muscle tissue

>>131104066
Wow are these really the arguments you refer to, thoughtlet?
>>131098457
God is by definition infinite, and ect, there is no assumption to this is, this is the literal definitions applied to God, the infinite eternal being. Try harder with your "nerf god" fallacy.

>>131096931
>be a nihilist you shitlords
Wow you got us there!
>i have no proof either way and I will be the most useless alignments
Typical incompetent thoughtlet desperate to be as degenerate as he wants.

>>131082773

>>mfw atheist think nothing is real

On the contrary atheists think reality is real and there is no magic layer of un-reality acting upon it which conveniently can't be measured or observed in any controlled way.

>>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source

It didn't even arise from "no where" it came gradually over time, creatures that we evolved from becoming more conscious and self aware over time as higher levels of consciousness lead to better chances of survival.

No one even says that "just came from nowhere" argument. You're attacking arguments no one ever uses because you don't understand the actual arguments being used. Hell the theist thinks there is some consciousness over the universe because it's literal projecting and wishful thinking. Wouldn't it greatly convenient if there was a conscious thing one can communicate with, that controls the whole universe too, and by being on it's good side, you get special benefits?

That's 100% human-making-shit-up-that-directly-benefits-itself at the finest.

OP is probably a trolling atheist as these threads always are.

>>131086440

Uh that's easy. You can think rational thoughts and God doesn't exist. You're doing it right now. I'm doing it right now. Rationality comes from a rational human mind capable of being rational. It's not some mystic force floating around that downloads into your brain.

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>>131103899
*that these elements, ect

Your entire theory of consciousness hinges on the fact it needs a body to be present, and not that it was present from the beginning (as all the elements needed are already at its disposal) which is why it is possible for life to separate from inanimate matter in the first place

The reason you become primitive when you gain mortality (separate from God) is because you body can not feasibly hold limitless knowledge and thought.

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>>131104788
>it came gradually over time
From where?

>>131103899
>If you are made up of the energy/matter/ect in the universe
My physical BODY (meaning the thing that interacts with other matter) is made up of matter in the universe. But that doesn't mean that the me (meaning everything that is both real and ME) is necessarily material.

Read this article i posted earlier:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/how-consciousness-evolved/485558/

"Consciousness" Is a thing that is both immaterial but still very much real. It's just a thing that is TIED to matter in such a way that if you remove matter, you won't have the immaterial thing either. But there are things that are both immaterial and real that are NOT tied to matter.

>Basically, for a thoughtlet like you
You can drop the snark, I'm not being hostile at all and it doesn't do any good

>there is evidence if not proof of omnipotence, a greater infinite concious
Well yes obviously if there are things that exist then that means there was at least 1 event of material coming from non-material (since infinite regress/infinitely passing on the responsibility for creation cannot and does not ever PRODUCE things)

>>131104557
>completely disregard any arguments
>calls everyone thoughtlets
you're really smart
>making up definitions to fulfill own argument
what is circular reasoning
>assume my position as a nihilist because i'm open to possibilities
go back to fucking your sister, cletus

there are ways to convince people of religion; what you're doing is the opposite

>>131105105
>destroy the stage
>the drama cannot perform
I already addressed this.

>>131087019
So you believe God came from nothing then. You're no better than the atheists.

>>131105204
>>completely disregard any arguments
>thoughtlet says while trying to posit his fallacious NERF version of God to us.

>how dare you point out how childish and pointless nihilism is REEEE FUCK GREAT MEANINGS IN LIFE.
Typical.
Thoughtlet.

>>131105318
God always existed.
>what is eternal

>>131104788
>there is no magic layer of un-reality acting upon it which conveniently can't be measured or observed in any controlled way.
1. It's not convenient at all, it's very IN-convenient (at least if you come from the frame where you want to keep knowing more and more, ad infinitum)
2. What proof is there that only things that can be percieved by our 5 senses are real?
There are things like black matter that we know for a fact do not conform to laws of physics - what is this idea based on that the only things that are REAL have to be measurable by man?

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>>131105062

From the brain?

It didn't have to come "from" any other place. We see varying levels of self-awareness in different creatures in nature. So it's not far-fetched to say we started from a creature that was KIND OF self-aware and grew fully into a creature capable of complete and total self-awareness and conscious direct control of it's own actions.

Also don't even ask "from where" when if I asked you where consciousness you refer to as God got it's consciousness from and you'd just say "IT WAS ALWAYS THERE" or something. Which is even more ridiculous then having a starting point, some base to work from.

>>131105221
you didn't address it though, if you have no explanation for what the drama or stage correspond to then i will have to conclude that you only have confused analogies that you are unable to expound on them because they don't really fit the scenario very well

>>131082773
I lost faith in god when my mother died a painful, slow, and debilitating death to cancer at the ripe age of 50. Didn't even smoke or drink.

I think Kek is a better deity. No lies about suffering being in some greater plan. Just chaos. I can accept that.

>>131082773
Possibly the worst bait i've encounered, the /b/ princess bait was better.

>>131105389
>hurr durr i'm gonna make up your arguments for you
i don't believe in god, but i hope some sort of hell exists for dumbasses like you

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>>131082773
we will never know

Atheism "heh science is my religion" is a religion of capitalism.

What makes this extra hilarious is when socialist marxist redditers say they are atheist

>>131090554
Interesting actually. It has been said that Satan's ultimate goal is to replace god, which is not possible. Perhaps Satan is actually mimicking god though satanism, but it is impure. Satanism is about choosing what you want to do. As the bible says, everything God does is good. I doubt this is God following rules, but simply God doing what he wants to do, and it just happens to be good because he is a benevolent being. But Satan is malevolent so he cannot recreate this.

Am I going anywhere with this?

>>131105487
>From the brain?
New to the thread? You do not need a brain to have basic consciousness/will/whatever you're going to subvert it into.
What definitively sets life apart is its will, the ability to consume, ect ect. It is not inanimate. People have already been down this path, you are going to end up discussing how chemistry got its will OR say thats not important.
see
>>131100804
>Which is even more ridiculous then having a starting point
>more ridiculous than "nothing"
>something that demonstrably does not exist
try again.

>>131105454

>1. It's not convenient at all, it's very IN-convenient (at least if you come from the frame where you want to keep knowing more and more, ad infinitum)

It's convenient for the person saying there is one because they don't have to provide a shred of evidence for it. There simple assertion that it's there is enough for them. And enough for them to use it to justify some immoral and evil behaviors.

>2. What proof is there that only things that can be percieved by our 5 senses are real?

Because if something was real it has to be PERCEIVED in SOME way because that's the very definition of REAL dude.

>There are things like black matter that we know for a fact do not conform to laws of physics - what is this idea based on that the only things that are REAL have to be measurable by man?

Yeah and we can perceive those things by looking at how they affect or interact with other things we CAN perceive. So that's a bad comparison. Everything we know is real we can easily point to it, define it,, measure it, reproduce it. It's worked on and observed because it actually exists to be worked on and observed.

And Man is the only thing capable of measuring that we know exists so if it's not measurable/observable by us then it's safe to say it doesn't exist.

>>131087019
>You probably think consciousness comes from your brain because you're a stunted thoughtlet

>Suffer stroke and or head trauma and get brain damage.
>your consciousness is now permanently damaged

where the fuck does our consciousness come from if not the brain?

>>131105221
it's just not a very good good analogy at all - if one of the actors of the drama dies every time we chop a bit off the stage, and once we destroyed the whole stage all the actors died, wouldn't it then make sense to conclude that the drama IS unable to perform without a stage?
Like I don't have any idea where you get the idea that consciousness and matter interact in that way at all

>>131105818
Satan is a being of destruction. God is a being of creation.

>>131106044
see
>>131105993

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God is real and if you don't believe me ur dumb and wear a hat.

>>131082773
Not political.

>>131105389
Well if God always existed then eternal things can exist, as in uncreated. Therefore will and conciousness can also be eternal and uncreated, unless you have verifiable proof otherwise.

>>131104788
So all of a sudden some half monkey started hearing his own voice in his own head... Yet didn't have spoken language with which to create such an internal dialogue? How do you reconcile that chicken/egg problem?

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>>131105993

>New to the thread? You do not need a brain to have basic consciousness/will/whatever you're going to subvert it into.

So thoughts just float around in a void of nothing? That's basically what you're saying. You have no proof of consciousness without a brain/brainstem/braincells of some kind. Period.

Try again. Show me a form of consciousness without a physical container please.

>>131105993
>You do not need a brain to have basic consciousness/will/


people tend to die without a brain, including their will/consciousness

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Religion is not politics unless you're talking about the religion of peace
There is no Christian holy war going on, there is no Christian infiltration, there is no Christian terrorist groups
Therefore this belongs on /bant/ and not here
Take your petty discussion about a mostly Jewish dominated world space there or shove it up your ass it's up to you. Either way it doesn't belong here, Christianity has no political control in this world any longer, even the Vatican holds no power beyond it's borders
Fuck off

>>131106209
Ours(between both beast and man) is limited however so there is clearly a larger slice of the pie.

Again, if there is finite knowledge/thought in the universe its logical to conclude there is also infinite knowledge/thought.

If we are perhaps from this greater stock, we perhaps rejoin it in death(aka denigration, not immediate, imo at least as you literally break apart and are recycled, why not consciousness along with it).

>>131106336
>nothing
Doesn't exist.

>>131086007
>You worship nothing as if it were a God
You're thinking of marxists christcuck

>>131106010
>And enough for them to use it to justify some immoral and evil behaviors.
"immoral and evil" by what standards?
If someone fasts, is that a good or a bad thing?
If someone is ugly or beautiful, is that a good or bad thing?
If someone kills or makes a baby, is that a good or bad thing?

who determines "good" and "evil" ? By what standards do you measure "evil" in this case?

>Because if something was real it has to be PERCEIVED in SOME way because that's the very definition of REAL dude.
not true, there are many things that we already know of that cannot be percieved by our current homo sapien instincts, obvious one being the origin of the universe

>And Man is the only thing capable of measuring that we know exists so if it's not measurable/observable by us then it's safe to say it doesn't exist.
this is too human-centric. If you believe in evolution, then you also have to accept that there was a time when the creature we evolved from COULDN'T measure or observe or interact in any way with things that we know know to be "real". There are probably shitloads of animals that are completely unable to ever know of the existence of, say, wind. Does that mean that wind wasn't real until the first creature evolved that was able to be able to have an idea of what it was?

>>131106476
You do not need a brain to have consciousness. Viruses are able to preform what they need to do, as well as plants and other bacteria.

Again, these things have a will you will not be able to explain the origins of because you are a thoughtlet and would rather not put yourself through the trauma of thinking.

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>>131106322

That's an interesting question. I think the thoughts weren't in the form of what we call language. Have you ever done this with your thoughts? Thought something before your brain could even assign the words of your language to it?

Consciousness started out as that. Whatever that is. They could have been internal sounds, images and noises made to assign to things so that individual brain could keep track of it's environment. Language just evolved when people realized they could assign the same noises to the same things and communicate better.

Mankind didn't speak for about 100,000 years of it's own existence. But it acted. Proving thoughts were there even without a language to articulate thoughts from one mind to another, which back then was done through body language first.

>>131086440
>Thinking a god can arrive out of no where and not a source
You people won't even apply your own rhetoric to your beliefs
Even under the peramiters of scrutiny set by Christianity Christianity doesn't hold up

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>>131106801
>Marxist
>not atheist
anon.

>>131106989
>Thinking a god can arrive out of no where and not a source
That is literally the definition of eternal, and guess what God is?

>>131106989
>>131107089
My mistake I misread your post, God Is eternal thus he does not need a source to begin with.
lrn2argueGod

>>131096931
Most people aren't capable of handling Nihilism
That's why our generation has turned to marxist cult of personality parading as atheism to stave off the truth that meaning is a joke created by people who thought purpose wasn't possible without an afterlife to enjoy because checks n balances

>>131106900

They don't have brains but they have PHYSICAL PARTS that act upon their environment. And without a brain it can' damn well choose what it does, it just acts. So that proves consciousness needs a physical thing to be housed in.

>Again, these things have a will you will not be able to explain the origins of because you are a thoughtlet and would rather not put yourself through the trauma of thinking.

The only person not doing any thinking here is you. With your inability to develop an imagination capable of thinking how things came about without "OOPS SOME CONSCIOUSNESS ZAPPED IT INTO THAT WAY."

>>131097513
>the 'universe' (haha) always being there
There is literally 0 proof of this

>>131097818
>They believe in a lie.
Kettle, meet pot

Atheists getting BTFO'd ITT. I thought you guys were supposed to be enlightened. Why are you losing to OP so hard?

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>>131107389
>Most people aren't capable of handling Nihilism
Probably because it bullshit that holds the species back. ',:^)
>a kingdom of nihilist
>not collapse in on itself because they see no point to anything

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>>131107561
>infinite and eternal are lies

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>>131107466
>So that proves consciousness needs a physical thing to be housed in.
Are we about to have another "without the stage there is no drama" argument?
>thinks the drama didn't come before the stage
Typical thoughtlets.

Why do athiests stop replying after getting BTFO'd? I thought they loved to learn and be "enlightened".

>>131107349
That's not true at all
If I am given immortality I too am eternal.
But I still had an origin
As of right now our current understand of life is that everything has a beginning and an end therefore so would your god if he did exist
>>131106991
>Implying there aren't marxist Christian's, Jews, and Muslims that believe in both marxism and religion
Come on you can't be that stupid

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Is this the best you got JIDF?
I continue to be disappointed in your repetition.

>>131107583
Op still hasn't proven anything, then again Christians claim they don't have to prove anything because it's in the Bible, so winner?

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I posit this evolution of spiritual thought:
1) You're indoctrinated into the beliefs of your kin and community. Typically Christianity in the West.
2) You realize that organized religions represent the folklore of pre-scientific societies trying to understand reality and their place in the universe. You declare yourself an atheist.
3) You realize that regardless of its legitimacy, religion is a biological imperative that favors the believing over the non-believing. See Catholicism and Islam outbreeding the atheistic West.
4) You realize that both the existence and the absence of a Supreme Being are equally incomprehensible to humans. Why am I sentient? When did time start? Where is the edge of the universe? It's like pissing on an anthill and expecting the ants to understand what's going on.
5)You now pray to the god of you fancy, be he Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin.

>>131108096
Not an argument.

>>131107986
>That's not true at all
It is, God is by definition an eternal infinite omnipresent/potent being.
All science has done is further cement his existence by proving infinite and eternal exist as well as the posit a theory that if there is a singular consciousness, there is evidence this indicate there is an infinite conscious.

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>>131107595
Worship your stick Jew somewhere else if you're going to be retarded

>>131108096
>infinity and eternity
>not proven
>implying God isn't infinite and eternal and thus self evident in energy

>>131108331
There it is! the stick jew! Hello shill.
You realize you're in a theist thread, yes? Christian general is out the door and to the left.

>>131108193
>science has proved infinite and eternal exists
That is quite literally impossible by every definition of the word

>>131082773
>a magical bearded space-man must have done it!
yeah, no, I'm staying with blind luck.

>>131108515
>what is energy
>what is math
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>131108456
>spends all day making threads on an anime board trying to show people the way of religion
>calls other people shills
lol what a thoughtlet

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>>131106847

>By what standards do you measure "evil" in this case?

It hurts or harms other human beings.

>not true, there are many things that we already know of that cannot be perceived by our current homo sapien instincts, obvious one being the origin of the universe

But we can observe the affects of the origin of the universe with all the background radiation. So again, there is a physical thing that can be measured leading to theories on how said measurable thing came about.

>this is too human-centric

Because humans are the only things we know of that have this thing/behavior we call consciousness. We are all we have to analyze. It has to be human-centric. Do you have a non-human consciousness you can point too?

>Does that mean that wind wasn't real until the first creature evolved that was able to be able to have an idea of what it was?

No? But those animals had SOMETHING to interact with and could use it. Like birds could FEEL the wind and use it to fly. That's because it PHYSICALLY EXISTS. They know as much as their sensory information will allow them to learn. Same with humans, but just more advanced.

>>131108456
Considering there aren't very many religions that have a singular god, and the ones that do are pretty much all abrahemic you sir are a christcuck by the very definition if your arguments
You're also severally ignorant, anyone who believes in omnipotence is because it's literally just a fantasy thought up by people with too much time on their hands and no decent bais for rational thought

>>131082773
Consciousness is a feedback loop. You only believe it is real because you have memory

>>131108616
Math is an arbitrary measurement system that we don't even know is a legitimate way to measure the universe
Regardless of that infinity does not exist and there has yet to be a legitimate proof of infinity in math

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>>131107809

SHOW ME A CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT A CONTAINER FAGGOT.

FUCKING DO IT FAGGOT.

YOU INSIST ITS THERE SO FUCKING PROVE IT FAGGOT.

Jesus you're just a little 13 year troll calling everyone else stupid. Typical pseudo-intellectual.

>>131108851
>implying you have ever read the bible
>needing to be a hard core christcuck to believe in God
>implying you're not just trying to make stupid arguments to avoid debate

>>131108662
>doesnt realize hes the shill by defualt by promoting degeneracy
Op promotes greater power and a higher purpose. Fuck your nihhilism.
If anything, hes weaponizing his autism FORFREE. you are more than likely a paid kike, and even if you arent youre a huge nihhilist faggot.

Humanity can never EVER build on nihhilism. Its a foundation of sand.

>>131082773

Even if there is a god, I doubt that the Bible is real. Or any of the other scriptures.

>>131109091
>if there is no stage there is no drama
Typical thoughtlet, stuck in his loop.

It is so, otherwise it wouldn't be able to come from anywhere. Something can NOT come from nothing. Especially consciousness unless it is eternal, infinite, AKA a God.

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>>131107948
>>131107583

No one get's BTFO. Christfags/theistfags just have meme-tier "arguments" and everyone realizes it's a waste of goddamn time trying to debate without someone who just spouts memes and declares themselves a winner.

>Theist: GOD IS REAL.

>Atheist: Okay prove it.

>Theist: I DONT HAVE TOO HAHA I WIN!

This is every thread we have on the subject.

>>131107809
if the drama is there first, when is it attached to the theater then?
I don't think you believe a human at the point of conception has consciousness, which means that at some point, when there is enough "stage" to sustain a drama, it begins. When is that point? And if it's not tied to matter, why would it appear to arise FROM matter?

>>131082773
Wow you made this thread again OP? Man we need some OC. Getting old having the same shit made twice or more a day. This is the second time today. Fuck off OP

>atheism is real
>there are no rules
>there are no morals
>there are no limits
What's to keep me from becoming a god?

>god just "exists" out of nothing
>theists believe this shit

>>131109324
>Prove that God isn't real
>HE DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE I SAID SO I'M ENLIGHTENED SO I WIN
So this is the power of the fedora.

>>131109273

> Something can NOT come from nothing.

And I didn't say that and no one does. Try directing your bullshit "arguments" at what people actually said instead of the strawmen you're making up. I'm not repeating myself for you.

Learn how to fucking read pseudo-intellectual. Where is that prove of a consciousness without a container I asked you for?

>>131109324
>>Theist: GOD IS REAL.
>>Atheist: Okay prove it.
>>Theist: I DONT HAVE TOO HAHA I WIN!
Literally not how it went.

If infinite exist, eternity exist, God is by deffinition infinite and eternal, that is certainly evidence if not proof.

>implying energy and math aren't proof of infinite/eternity

>>131109008
So.. math doesn't real? What have I don't to these poor athiests.
I think you are mistaking numbers, what we use to conceptualize math, for math itself.
>what is energy
>implying energy can be created or destroyed

can't you just get that no one will ever give a fuck about your beliefs ?

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>athiests get BTFO'd by this simple image

>>131109597
>Where is that prove of a consciousness without a container I asked you for?
So you are suggesting that these containers/basic thought do not need an origin themselves?
>aka they came from nothing goyim

Your proof of consciousness without container is God himself. The eternal king of energy who commanded there be light.

>>131109511
God is eternal.
Thoughlet.

>>131108783
>It hurts or harms other human beings.
Ok, so from this we can conclude that the 'telos' of your pseudo-religion is a state where human beings are never "harmed". But what does that mean? What counts as "harm" ? If i work out and it hurts because muscle tissue is torn apart, am I harming myself?
If I am deprived of welfare or drugs which hurts a lot at the time but is ultimately better, am I being harmed?
If there are a million Africans starving, but helping them survive means that 1mil will breed exponentially until there's a billion and they will kill you, who is being harmed if you let them starve?
You will have to define "harm" a lot better man, cus a state where humanity just sits in a bubble with no physical pain, where they can get everything they want, all the pleasure they want, would be very psychologically unhealthy. We would "harm" ourselves psychologically by depriving ourselves of "harm".

>Because humans are the only things we know of that have this thing/behavior we call consciousness.
This is nonsense. How do you even define "consciousness" if a dog doesn't have it?
What makes a human and dog consciousness different other than one has more fidelity than the other?
And how good/powerful/attuned to the world and it what ways does it have to be in order to count as "real consciousness" ?

>Like birds could FEEL the wind and use it to fly
This answers nothing. Before there existed a creature that could interact with wind, was wind "by definition not real" ?

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>>131109556

>He doesn't exist because --

>TIPS FEDORA HOLY SHIT LOL BTFO!

Try harder faggot. You just flat out ignore reason when it's presented to you. Forcing everyone to explain the same exact simple shit to you over and over and over and wasting hours of their life while you jerk off to your own trolling.

How about you prove you're not just an atheist who trolling. I have no reason to believe otherwise, frankly.

>>131110051
>god is eternal
>universe can't be eternal and uncreated

why is that?

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>>131109755
Beautiful.

>>131110205
If its eternal/infinite, there is God.

>>131110140
I'm just repeating what you said back to you.

>athiests get btfo'd by their own "arguments"

>>131110140
see
>>131109607
Stop running.

>OP the mad shepard cast pearls before swine, then set up camp with a machine gun to not be trampled
GAZE UPON THEM

>>131082773
Posted this yesterday, we don't care.
Sage

>>131111105
bump

>>131110972
he's not throwing pearls, he's throwing peas at best

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>>131111192
Doesn't look like it. Looks like its feared if anything.

>>131109911

>So you are suggesting that these containers/basic thought do not need an origin themselves?

Learn how to fucking read. Here is what *****************************I************************** said
>>131106969

Learn how to fucking read. I'm not retyping 1000 posts for you.

>Theist: Atheists are wrong because they think something came from nothing!

>Also theists: God came from nothing and is eternal.

You stupid fucks can't even get a basic non-contradictory argument together.

>>131110349

See

>>131111575

You BTFO yourself.

>>131109607

>Literally not how it went.

Here is someone saying it >>131110288 here is someone else saying it>>131110051 here is someone else saying it

Here is YOU saying it

>If infinite exist, eternity exist, God is by deffinition infinite and eternal, that is certainly evidence if not proof.

This all translating too "GOD AM ETERNALS ME NO HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE!!!!"

>>131111575
>>131111684
>replies to his own argument
>"I'M RIGHT EVERYONE"
Atheists in a nutshell.

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Shut up and enjoy the satanism.

>>131109008
>there has yet to be a legitimate proof of infinity in math
One divided by zero

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>>131106969
there is no start to consciousness if there is eternity, because God is eternity. Your consciousness originates from God. All consciousness does, everything does. What i posit is it is much more logical to theorize thought has a greater source we are cut from than it is to posit it manifested for no reason or control. In fact it's false. Childish and demonstrably untrue. If there is a singular(man/beast) conscious, there will be an infinite that gave rise to it.

Thought is language, it tells you. God speaks to you. thought is when you pull your hand back from a hot surface or breed, it is will, animate as oppose to the inanimate.

Nothing in you body is unique in nature or space, you are a collection of things that already existed. You consciousness is not unique to a body, it is unique to God and this universe.

>>131111575
>>131111575
If god is the ultimate being than it created itself. If god didnt create himself than he isnt all powerfull but depended on someone or something to give birth to it.

This isnt the same for atheists and their explanation for the start of the universe.

>>131112923
>what is eternal

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>>131112880
Fucking stick jew fag

>>131112923
>This isnt the same for atheists and their explanation for the start of the universe.

You're correct because the Big Bang didn't come "from nothing."

The typical special-pleading is "God is eternal" to avoid the infinite regress, but apparently God cannot be ex nihilo -- it's limited in that regard.

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>>131112036
God is eternal and infinite. You may not like it, but this is what peak reason looks like.

>>131113146
>You're correct because the Big Bang didn't come "from nothing."
from whence doth it springeth?

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https://youtu.be/3eNxNIe39KE

proof of a loving God

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>all these threads
>athiest still can not win an arguement against the OP
>still this BTFO
>exposing these little thoughtlets
Someone give op a god damn medal of honor and most autistic certification.
ATHEIST BRAP THEORIST BTFO

What's your religion of choice OP?

>>131114475
Deist. The step they(thoughtlets) will take after they become theist. Should they ever escape their nihilism.

They seal themselves to ancient knowledge, even the bible, ignorantly thinking they know whats in it. This is why i push theism first and foremost. Deist pill is later.

>>131114721
*seal themselves from

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>atheists ITT
You guys are absolutely embarrassing

>>131115524
Well? Is that all? As usual quite under whelming.

>>131114770
thanks op

I was raised in a nihilist family and I'm still struggling to accept the fact that god is eternal but I think that you're pushing me to the theism with your arguments.

Few questions:
My mom was raised jew. Should I study the Torah and Talmund for maximum ancient knowledge related to my biolology?

Why do the existence of infinity prove the existence of eternity? Eternity is the infinity of time, not any arbitrary characteristic of the universe. I would accept existence of god if you can clearly explain how the time is infinite when god had to create it. (aka it's not infinite)

Thanks!

>>131115685
>Eternity is the infinity of time,
Eternity is without end or beginning.
[əˈtərn(ə)l]
ADJECTIVE

lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning:
"the secret of eternal youth" · "fear of eternal damnation"
synonyms: everlasting · never-ending · endless · perpetual · undying · immortal · abiding · permanent · enduring · infinite · boundless · timeless · amaranthine
antonyms: transient
(of truths, values, or questions) valid for all time; essentially unchanging:
"eternal truths of art and life"
informal
seeming to last or persist forever, especially on account of being tedious or annoying:
"eternal nagging demands" · "she is an eternal optimist"
synonyms: constant · continual · continuous · perpetual · persistent · sustained · unremitting · relentless · unrelieved · uninterrupted · unbroken · never-ending · nonstop · around/round-the-clock · endless · ceaseless
antonyms: intermittent
used to emphasize expressions of admiration, gratitude, or other feelings:
"to his eternal credit, he maintained his dignity throughout"
(the Eternal)
used to refer to an everlasting or universal spirit, as represented by God.
Infinity is defined as impossible to calculate, it is suggested it might have a beginning. You could indeed argue that these are one in the same.(cont)

>>131116118
in·fi·nite
[ˈinfənət]
ADJECTIVE

limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate:
"the infinite mercy of God" · "the infinite number of stars in the universe"
synonyms: boundless · unbounded · unlimited · limitless · never-ending · interminable · immeasurable · fathomless · imponderable · extensive · vast · immense · great · huge · enormous · countless · uncountable · inestimable · innumerable · numberless · immeasurable · incalculable · untold · myriad
antonyms: limited · small · limited
very great in amount or degree:
"he bathed the wound with infinite care"
mathematics
greater than any assignable quantity or countable number.
mathematics
(of a series) able to be continued indefinitely.
grammar
another term for nonfinite.

NOUN

(the infinite)
a space or quantity that is infinite.
(the Infinite)
God.
(cont)

>>131082773
The funniest thing about atheists is they actively idolize reason as some kind of infallible godhead without ever realizing they are in fact partaking in an idolatrous religious system.

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>>131116118
>>131116143
God is an infinite and eternal being by definition.
We know eternal exist because energy can not be created nor destroyed, we know infinite exist because of math, in fact, both of these have evidence so overwhelming you and your children eons from now will never see the end to it as it doesn't have one of course.
If infinite exists(limitless) God is logical to conclude exists within infinite, he IS infinite.

If there is singular will, there is infinite will. Just as if there is any singulars in math it can be multiplied infinitely

Man's thought(and all life itself) is cut from a greater stock in order to exist. As thoughts are energy and can not be created or destroyed if they are energy.

>>131116741
As for your Jewish roots, I will not make any recommendations, you must find your own path reading and interpreting scripture, wherever it leads you.

>>131095517
The mind, the spirit, and the soul all have individual consciousnesses. If this statement offends you or your sense of rationality its sour grapes for not cultivating your higher consciousnesses.

Ill say it again - atheists are philosophical zombies. They are cut off from the source, little better than animals.

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