So I've been a Hoppean libertarian for a very long time

no hope. just let everything decay.

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just accept you're a nazi

Libertarians are just republicans that want to smoke weed.

>>131077759
I could be persuaded, maybe. But as of right now, I am strongly against two things that are rather core to nazism/fascism:

1) Socialized healthcare/welfare and similar services I would rather see privatized
2) Opposition to usury

I know /pol/ views usury as a jew thing (and for many centuries it was), but it exists for good reason. If I give away $100k to be paid back over a 12 year period, I expect to see a return on it, otherwise I won't be able to continue lending to people. Furthermore, as I am depleting myself of funds that I won't see in full for another decade, it makes sense to want to see a bit of money on top of it.

Now, shit like the federal reserve is straight highway robbery. But I believe individual, private banks should be allowed to charge interest, which was a core principle Nazi germany was against.

>>131078063
Weed is degenerate. You're thinking of the """"""Libertarian""""" Party, which has as much to do with libertarianism as democracy or republic has to do with the Democratic Republic of North Korea. People who can honestly be described as libertarians tend to gravitate to either not voting at all or the Constitution Party (which has some anti-libertarian principles but overall is closer to proper libertarianism than the namesake party).

I've been feeling the exact same way lately. Although there's no need to use fascism at all, as someone supporting socialism has already violated the NAP

all politics are temporary anon, you need to realize that they are usually crafted for a specific situation and not necessarily and end all.

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>>131077632
That you Cantwell?

>>131077632
You can be a libertarian while still getting rid of people who don't support liberty. By not supporting liberty, they're violating the NAP, which means you're justified in using force against them.

>>131077632
Dealing with leftists and seeing how they value virtue signaling more than action, I came to unironically believe that Hoppean Snake is 100% correct about leftists.

We don't need the state/nazis/fascists to remove the trash.

Let's just create a strong manly ancap community and remove from life, everyone who is not supporting the private property ideas.

I feel the same probably a lot of people on here are I believe in a lot of libertarian principles but just don't think they would work. It would be great for there to be few laws and social Shame prevent you from doing stuff like becoming transgender or smoking weed, but we don't live in a society that will do that. So it pushes me to be more socially authoritarian than I'd like to be.

>>131077632
you mean anarcho-capitalism?

>>131077632
Yes, I am in the exact same position. I see right wing authoritarianism as a means to an ancap end. it's a crucial step.

>>131082100
this reminds me of marxism leninism

With this, you embrace the concept of public domain, and public domain will always lead to democracy, the bigger the domain, the more abstract and intrusive democracy becomes.

Public domain is in my opinion the biggest enemy of liberty. People have the notion that, if you decide what they do, then they can wait 4 years to decide what you do, it's a never-ending cycle of oppression, and the bigger the oppression, the bigger the reaction (see Spain, Germany, Portugal and Chile, as examples of countries where anything right to the center is taboo).

The only way to reach permanent liberty is not through authoritarianism, but through dissociation. A country should atomize, let laws be decided on a local level, this creates a variety of government models that will always lead to liberty as the optimal, perhaps with conservative moral values, but economic freedom.

Support federalist parties, support differences between regions, even if that means aligning with socialists, who often advocate for this without understanding how dependent they are of the one-world government, and freedom will be one step closer.

>>131077632
I understand you, I'm an ancap / libertarian in public and I think a traditional and hard working society would be the direct effect of libertarian policies, without need of the State intervention. However, if a fascist or Nat-Soc counter revolution was to happen in Europe, I think I would support it. Perhaps violent changes are necessary (removal of Commies and shitty immigrants) to achieve a society of freedom.