>mfw atheist think nothing is real >thinking consciousness/will

Consciousness doesn't come from nowhere, its evolution and chemistry.

Brains, directional movement, and eyes evolved at about the same time, as you need a central nervous structure to process that information.
And if you go forward like a fish, you need a face and a head unlike a starfish which doesn't have a forward or backward.

Everything with a spine feels pain and is aware of its surroundings.
Great apes can learn to understand people and communicate back, and I bet it works vice versa if you gave a child to chimps to raise.
Whale songs can rival orcastral arrangements in complexity, and they remember songs and sing them later.

Its not a big stupid world with people the only spark of genius, that's why I'm not a Christian, you guys have no respect for the dignity of gods creation, just the dignity of yourself

>>131053405
>what is the building blocks of life that didn't have complex systems evolved but knew to breed replicate and even avoid danger

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>>131052697
Really asshole?
Go out and get something to eat
all the odds of existing and you do shit like this
Why did god create you to obsess like this?

>>131053781
>implying gods need to eat
silly thoughtlet

>>131053869
Sorry I meant take your meds
You give actual mysticism a bad name

>>131054058
>implying God needs sleep or meds
Silly little thoughtlet.

>>131053685
That's not how brains work or evolution works.
and breeding took 2+ billion years to evolve, its not simple.

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>>131054237
>implying bacteria have nervous systems
>implying DNA/RNA/Viruses ect ect have nervous systems
>misunderstanding what the word conciousness means
>not realizing what definitively sets life apart from other matter is life has consciousnesses to reproduce/replicate feed ect ect evolve in general

Bump for justice
God bless anon

>>131056599
Give a blessing revive one in return.

>>131054383

>not realising that consciousness is just a symptomatic illusion created by a complex system reaponsing to stimulae

>he believes the big *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
>he things anything can organize with out an intelegent force driving it
>still thinks his life is all just chance with no meaning
>he still doesnt know what God means

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>>131056860
reminds me of this but you're a huge faggot about it and still wrong

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>>131057128
>thoughtlets

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>>131057297
>thoughtlets

>>131057353
We now need a manlet, brainlet, thoughtlet version of this.

>>131053405
>animals have consciousness too meme
Their "consciousness" is no where near the sophistication of human beings. You make it sound like those things, like whale songs, are as complex as human capability, but they don't consciously construct and do those things. As for the apes, it's like teaching a dog a trick, but more impressive. They know some sign langauge, but they will never be able to teach it or learn past a point

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>>131057619

>>131056860
Then why can I create images and voices in my head and struggle to make decisions?

And saying it's all an illusion isn't helpful. We all act like we are conscious beings and get offended if someone suggests we are otherwise. Just being able to think like we do is incredible as well.

>>131057866
ty anon

>>131052697
>the conditions needed for a universe can't just exist they need a god to "write" them down
>this logic doesn't apply to god himself though

>>131057866
>>131057977
Seems like God is pleased.

>>131058149
>another thoughtlet who doesn't knwo what God means
>implying something Eternal has a beginning or end

>>131058225
>he's too stupid to get it
Why can't the conditions needed to start a universe be timeless too? Theoretical physics implies this.

>>131052697
Stop being an idiot

t. chirstfag

>mfw deist think that a God can pop up from basically nowhere with no explanation needed
>"oh yeah but no the universe needs to have a creator m8"

talk about being retarded

>>131052697
>Take the Theist pill.
Ok lets say I'm willing to do that. Let's say I'm not good at arguing for atheism. Lets you BTFO and show me why Religion is great.
How is that going to make me believe in a creator of everything including himself?
You make sense, you make good points, you demonstrate how Atheism leads to degeneracy.
But how does that connect to a Creator of everything including himself? Especially one particular outlook/religion?

>>131052697
God created the world, according the bible.

Who or what created God? Did he just arise from no where and not a source? If another source created God, who/what created that source & why are we not worshipping it instead of God?

So many questions that arise from nowhere.

Even if you believe in God, you still have the problem of consciousness and will arising from nowhere. After all, how did God come into being? It's the same thing.

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>>131058454
>mfw another nihilist guy with tits posits the existence of nothing as a preface to every one of his "theories"
thoughtlets

>nowhere
>still believing "nowhere" exists
why don't you tell the class where "no" is.

>>131058901
>mfw atheists think a universe can pop up from basically nowhere with no explanation needed
Nothing precedes God by definition. So if you're going to argue against God, don't say "hurr durr but what made him??"

>>131059384
>Nothing precedes God by definition
By a made up definition*

I can define the universe as "self-creating" too, m8. Doesn't make it more or less true.

The only thing God does is push the question of "where did it start?" further, except now you also can get in full denial mode and claim that no, God is the last step, there's nothing before.

Denial and hypocrisy.

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>>131057866
>tfw i'm a manlet and brainlet

>>131059618
You can't define the universe as self creating because then you must accept nothing is real.

>>131059384
>Christcucks change what constitutes "god" so they won't hurt their little babby feelwings

>>131059384
Universe poped out of nowhere?
That's not what the Big Bang Theory implies.
It came from a singularity, not nothingness.
Man, like, its OK to believe in God. That's great. I hope it gives purpose and meaning to your life.
But you don't need to dumb yourself down in the process.
Having faith is enough isn't it? Why do you feel the need to defend it? Do you feel threatened by new ideas?

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>>131059789
>atheist change the definition of God to make their shitty arguments

>>131052697
le ebin prime mover argument

If your god can exist without needing a cause, then consciousness can exist without needing a cause.

Consciousness is just an illusion of free-will anyway.

>>131059853
>That's not what the Big Bang Theory implies.
It literally is.
Stephen hawking would like to have a word with you. Singularity, in this theory, is another word for nothing.

>>131059920
>God is ETERNAL
>implying anything but god is eternal
thoughtlets again at it with their shitty logic and lack of understanding of God.

>>131060006
>God is ETERNAL

Source?

>>131059929
>Singularity, in this theory, is another word for nothing.
It is not
That's a false equivalence.
A singularity is all matter condensed into a single point.

>>131060075
Define God;
God is an omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal infinite being. Very simple thoughtlet.

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>>131060075
jesus loves me a bunch
thats why he always puts skippy
in my lunch

>>131059854
>>131060006
>Like, you just don't understand god, bro, hes, like, eternal maaan

>>131060230
>things that aren't god aren't eternal

Source?

>>131057151
>baby's first skepticism meme
Come back after finishing your PHIL 100 community college class, Paco

>>131059788
The Universe is defined as everything that exists, has existed and will exist.

If God created the Universe, then he cannot be part of it. However, he can't not be part of the Universe, because the Universe is all there is. So to exist, he must be part of some sort of Universe that we're also part of. Or some sort of "Universe" that includes both ours and His.

So hey, a God that created a Universe that he's part of, but it's totally not the Universe self-creating because a Universe self-creating means nothing is real, but God can self-create and still be real with no problem, how about that.

>>131060318
Source something eternal. :^)
The only thing is energy, aka god.

>>131059369
>space-time must always have existed
Then it didn't have a start did it? You've just fucked your own argument.

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>>131056860

Also, buffered through an emotional response system, that exists to interpret potential hazards.

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>>131052697
>atheists are intellectually superi-

>>131060230
So, he's imaginary? Because what youre describing doesn't exist

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>>131059788
That is the most retarded thing I have read all day and will probably read all month.

>>131060389
>still not understanding what a fucking God is
Anon. He is not limited to mortal limitations. It is a fucking God who is omnipresent, omnipotent, eternal and infinite.
Such a thing is responsible for why life can even start because one needs intelligence to create life, a self moving organism with will.

>>131060521
There is more evidence something like God can exist than not. The fact life has a system thats drives itself that set it apart form matter to the point it can evolve, to energy which is eternal as it does not have a creation nor destruction, to math which infinity is a proven concept we are still witnessing the overwhelming evidence for to this day and shall never see the end of this evidence, to the fact knowledge and consciousness intelligence in general is in no a a coincidence that can be replicated without a creator.

>>131060399
Most abstract concepts that don't exist physically are eternal, numbers, physical laws... I guess that's something they have in common with god :^)

ITT: a bunch of hive mind "enlightened" christfags moving goalposts like their very existence depends on it.

>>131060720
>the universe created itself
>What came before the universe?
>HURRRR LET ME JUST *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
Silly thoughtlet.

>>131060810
I think you're describing atheist who use a really shitty nerfed version of """God""" who is suddenly not all powerful to win arguments. :^)

>>131060810
I don't even understand how christfags can make so many assumptions about what god is and isn't without contradicting their own religion.

I can understand if you believe God exists, but if you're a christian (or a part of any other religion for that matter), you're believing for the wrong reasons.

If you make a claim that God exists, the weight of the claim rests on your shoulders. Regardless of what opinions you hold surrounding the claim. I find it interesting that perfectly logical theists would use this premise to poke holes in different arguments outside of theology but you bring it up in terms of theology and your a dumb atheist that doesn't know anything.

>>131060734
>we can invent abstract concepts of infinity that resemble god!
>so god exists!

OOOH I see what you're talking about now. God is just a human invented abstraction thanks for clearing that up

>>131061309
God is; infinite, eternal, omnipotent, omnipresent being
Literally half of this is known and applied in science all the time(energy, numbers as eternal and infinite) and consciousness arising from matter and living in a sea of matter/energy indicate there is evidence of something influence this world more than its all random.

I conclude it is more logical to be a theist than an atheist based on the known evidence present that infinite, eternal, and omnipresent/potency is possible.

>>131057667
>They know some sign langauge, but they will never be able to teach it or learn past a point
You can say the same thing about a theist.

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>>131061511
see
>>131061602
more evidence for God than against. Stay mad cucks.

>>131060734
>Anon. He is not limited to mortal limitations. It is a fucking God who is omnipresent, omnipotent, eternal and infinite.
Yes, I get that. I'm saying that such a belief cannot exist, and just because some people imagined one to exist doesn't make him real.

Anyone can come up with a being that and go "oh yeah but you don't understand he's capable of everything and has no limits, therefore you can't use logic to prove he doesn't exist because your logic doens't apply to him". That doesn't mean the being they came up with is real. It just means they've done some cool mental gymnastic to convince themselve of the existence of said being

Every single argument you use to justify the existence of God could also be used to justify the existence of just about anything if I define it as powerful enough. Does that mean those would exist?

>>131061608
*atheist
It easy to make a mistake like that anon, don't worry.

>>131061697
see
>>131061602

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>>131061697
>could also be used to justify the existence of just about anything
except "nothing". the atheist religion.

"any thing"
"no thing"

you see the error of your thoughtlet ways

>>131061707
No actually atheists have evolved past memes regurgitated from Jews of the Bronze Age

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>>131062129
>atheists have evolved

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>>131062272
You shouldn't cherry pick a sentence. That's a fatal flaw that could lead to believing something as ridiculous as the bible.

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>>131062490
>majority of the world religious from its most enlighten and advanced days to its most brilliant minds
>atheist have evolved

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>>131062129
>atheists have evolved
To shop at traders joe

Extinction event soon

>>131060954
god is shit and fake and gay

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>>131052697
>i cant explain it, you cant explain it
>so im right by default

get cancer theists

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>>131062687
thoughtlets triggered again
>you will never win unless you nerf God of all the fucking thing for your arguments

>>131062582
Your burger education has failed you.

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>>131062828
I don't think it was the atheist who built civilization and preserved it thoughtlet.

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>>131053405
>consciousness is evolution and chemistry
>mfw

>>131059369
>>131060440
BTFO? :(

>>131052697
>mfw atheist think nothing is real

False


>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source

Why is thinking it comes from nowhere anymore crazy than thinking the "source" is a magic superbeing that can't be seen, heard, or measured? Seems like "nothing" with extras to me.

>>131052697
Consciousness arises from electro-chemical activity in the brain. The biggest, indisputable evidence of this is that brain damage often leads to marked changes in personality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

>>131062888
The fact that you are too stupid to know that evolve means progress and you only associate the word with one absolute shows why religion attracts and appeals to the stupid, which is why you can't wrap your brain around the concepts of progress and go straight to fallacies to prove your point, which does the exact opposite, and makes you and your argument even more retarded. And like I originally said, I can try to explain further, but like an ape learning sign language, you retards can only learn to a certain point. Sorry, unfortunately piggybacking off great outdated theists from the past doesn't work.

>>131063300
>>mfw atheist think nothing is real
>False
then goes on to say
>comes from nowhere

see
>>131061602
no evidence for "nothing" or "coming from nowhere"

>>131063443
>that evolve means progress
Tell that to Koalas.

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As shown here http://pastebin.com/GxHsN9ap, there are no minds without complex physical brains, therefore there can be no divine mind, since there is clearly no gigantic brain for it. On the other hand, if God can have a mind without a physical brain, it is inexplicable why we need them. It is far more probable that such a god would create beings with minds like His, minds that could not be damaged or destroyed, rather than minds needlessly dependent on something so fragile as a brain.

>>131052697

Didn't you make this thread an hour ago?

>>131063554
again, words have multiple meanings. See >>131062828

You're no different than a nig nog who has discovered Islam.

>>131063522
I was just using your own wording. Can you answer my question? Why is the answer that involves magic any more believable?

>>131063713
I answered you question in the post and the post i quoted.
There is evidence of God(infinity, eternity, omnipotent/presence), but not for nothing.

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>>131052697
>God Doesn't Exist
>Uses word "God"

Checkmate atheists.

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>>131063522
There is no plausible reason why an Almighty would need billions of years and trillions of galaxies to accomplish his ends through long, deterministic causal processes. But that is exactly what we should expect if there is no god, but only nature.

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Most god-concepts are illogical. To be fair, most arguments from Incoherence, as they are called, are often frivolous. A typical example is the taunt “If God is all-powerful, can he make a rock so big even he can’t lift it?” This is supposed to prove that omnipotence is illogical and therefore God (who is supposed to be omnipotent) doesn’t exist. There are many arguments like that. But I don’t buy them. These are generally not valid, since any definition of god (or his properties) that is illogical can just be revised to be logical. So in effect, Arguments from Incoherence aren’t really arguments for atheism, but for the reform of theology. For instance, if we define omnipotence (like many do) as “having all the power that exists” or “being able to do everything that can ever be done” then we avoid silly objections like the impossible rock. Likewise, we can define omniscience as “knowing everything there is to know or that can be known” and omnibenevolence as “loving all things with the most profound compassion possible.”


But in a few cases, the theological reforms that would be required to avoid defeat at the hands of an Argument from Incoherence are reforms that fly in the face of all popular beliefs about God. For example, it is obvious that a perfect being, by any definition, could not and would not create an imperfect universe, yet the universe is imperfect, therefore God cannot be perfect. This does not prove there is no God, but it does prove that, given the way the universe plainly is, if any God exists, he is imperfect. We can know this with almost absolute certainty—the evidence is that overwhelming, far more overwhelming than any evidence to the contrary

>>131063881
>There is no plausible reason why an Almighty would need billions of years
It's plausible to believe god works outside space and time. A year to you is not a year to him. He doesn't revolve around the sun.

>>131063881
There is no reason to believe anything random could birth something so organized and percise in the way combinations are made, life it driven, ect ect. You're basically taking nihilism for no reason.

>>131053405
>fucking idiot starts it out with a blanket statement.

Our top peoples don't understand conciousness yet, get the fuck over yourself please.

>>131064166
>>131064119
The nature of the world is manifestly dispassionate and blind, exhibiting no value-laden behavior or message of any kind. It is like an autistic idiot savant, a marvelous machine wholly uncomprehending of itself or others. This is exactly what we should expect if it was not created and governed by a benevolent deity, while it is hardly explicable on the theory that there is such a being. Since there is no observable divine hand in nature as a causal process, it is reasonable to conclude that there is no divine hand. After all, that there are no blue monkeys flying out my butt is sufficient reason to believe there are no such creatures, and so it is with anything else.

But the point is even stronger. All the causes whose existence we have confirmed are unintelligent, immutable forces and objects. Never once have we confirmed the existence of any other kind of cause. And that is most strange if there is a god, but not strange at all if there isn’t. This is the basis for what I call a teleological argument for atheism. “Teleology” is the study of goals, of designs with intended ends. A teleological process is something goal-oriented, aiming at a final purpose, ever-correcting itself toward it. The Teleological Argument for God is that the universe exhibits teleology, teleology entails a mind (since only minds have desires or intentions), therefore a mind must lie behind the universe, and that would be God. This argument fails twice: teleology doesn’t entail a mind, and the universe doesn’t exhibit any sort of teleology distinctive of a mind (http://pastebin.com/H49qPTdx and http://pastebin.com/XGfzNagT and http://pastebin.com/0VYSUyRF)

>>131061602
But nothing you said there backs up the claim that god exists.. you literally just sperged some talk about energy and linked the concept of God to it..
Your faith is admirable but the outcome of your arguments are the same. You are unable to provide evidence of your claim that god exists.

>>131052697

No such thing as "nowhere" or "nothing". You're always there. Always have been. Now you just got a slew of meat robots that you can use to play hide and seek with yourself.

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Christianity, as with all religions, started in one tiny place, when the rest of the earth was populated by a wildly marvelous diversity of religious beliefs—and yet, curiously enough, the concept of warfare over religious differences was virtually nonexistent. Most people in ancient times believed it was proper to respect the gods of other peoples. This changed on a global scale when Christianity was spread, quite literally, by the sword. Those who attempted to assert their religious differences were harassed, tortured, robbed of their land and belongings, even killed. Before it achieved political power, Christianity was a small sect, a heresy against the Jewish faith, that had to accept equality among all the other religions of the Roman Empire. Yet it was the first religion to openly attack the religions of other people as false (the Jews, at least, were a little more tactful). Needless to say, Christianity only truly flourished when it had the ability to eliminate the competition—when it had the full support of Rome’s Emperors after 313 A.D., and when, in 395 A.D., every religion other than Christianity was actually outlawed. Through force and decree Christianity was immersed in the cultural surroundings of lands near and far, and in an environment where it was widely accepted, if not the only thing accepted, it spread and planted itself among subjugated peoples. As kids grew up taking Christian ideas for granted, they often did not realize that only a few generations ago those ideas were entirely alien.


Colonization of the world, more often than not by robbery and warfare, spread Christianity into the Americas and other corners of the earth, just as Islam was spread throughout Asia and Africa. It is not a coincidence that the two most widespread religions in the world today are the most warlike and intolerant religions in history.

>>131064312
>>131064101
No one cares about your fallacious blog.
Go back to /x/

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>2017
>not growing out of MUH ATHEISM and unironically becoming a devout Christian
>not looking into all of the denominations of Christ and realizing that Catholicism is the one true religion and becoming a devout Catholic and going to mass, praying with a rosary and getting baptized

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>the cult of nothing

>>131064443
As your the most committed, i extend the same point to you;
If you make a claim that something exists, you must produce evidence of your claim. Im sure you would use the same logic for topics like climate change and renewable energy. Why does it go out of the window for theology?

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>>131063443
yes goyim, NOTHING MATTERS! It's all a big NOTHING - you can fuck other men in the ass, do drugs, drink, ANYTHING!

>>131064401
>there is evidence of eternity
>there is evidence of infinity
>there is evidence of a universal consciousness
>all things we theorized(God) before modern science and thought began widening the doors for us thousands of year ago even older dead religions were christian like

>>131053405
> being this cucked in the head

>>131065286
Would you care to elaborate on this evidence?
None of those things equate to a god concept even if you did provide the evidence they equate to evidence of each thing you mentioned where does God come into it?

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itt lost and embittered souls who hate their dads and don't want to be a normie.

also itt baiting sad souls into rejoining society by making them realize that jesus is a pretty good meme and religion is the only way we can justify the slaughter of millions of shitskin mudslimes.

>>131065286
And how can there be evidence of something that continues indefinitely? A very long time yes, but we can't test something for an infinite amount of time so how could we prove it existed for an infinite amount of time?

>>131052697
God of the gaps.

>>131065783
Wer conceptualized these concepts as God before the evidence, all of these things equate to evidence of God.
Energy is eternal, it can not be destroyed nor created. Math is infinite, limitless, infact you can say infinite and eternal are one in the same. you can always go backways with a number and get a smaller and smaller fraction, or a larger and larger whole.

Omnipotence is infinite consciousness. If there are singular consciousness(man,beast,ect), there is an infinite omnipotence

Omnipresence is all existing, surrounding. You are literally in a sandbox of matter.

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>>131052697
>mfw when religious cucks believe in something without proof.
>mfw when they think the Bible is proof
>mfw when they live their entire lives based off something without actual evidence to its existence.

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>>131066072
assign a variable to 'thing' and use the scientific method to better clarify the context that 'thing' exists in thereby creating a mental framework of conduct to interact with said thing.

>Religion

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>>131066072
Because you will observe the evidence, never live to see it, as with your children and so on. You'll be over whelmed by evidence actually.

>>131066378
*see it end

>>131064557
HAHAHAHA Catholicism the one true religion? You mean the one that is filled with minorities and kiddy diddlers? It's like Archie Bunker said, the Catholic Church is satans whore.

>>131065957
Indeed. If shitskins and cucks wish to align themselves more with beast than with god than we have every right to stone those who dare to threaten our progress.

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>>131066309
>iron age handbook positing the existence of a thing.
>documentation that seeks to explain natural phenomena in a way that is human meaningful.
>give people purpose so they don't feel the sheer futility and pain of life cripple them into suicide.

you atheists aren't truth seekers. you deny the very existence of a global consciousness and write it off as 'bad' because you think it's edgy.

>>131066279
Everything you've said is cool and all, but it literally is you telling me that god is real because energy exists.. or because we can use numbers to visualize patterns..
Im not trying to be condescending but I seem to be missing the part where you provide evidence of your claim that god exists without reciting abstract concepts on their own.

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I will seek the lost, bring back the scattered, bandage the crippled, and strengthen the weak and the sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong [who have become hard-hearted and perverse]. I will feed them with judgment and punishment
>the perverted atheists want to be seen as strong and sleek

>>131067380
infinite is not a number NEVER EVER visualize it as a number its a concept. The universe isn't refereed to as infinite because its a number its because you don't know what the fuck man

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>>131067444
>444
>that post
be afraid thoughtlets

>>131067569
You mentioned math as an infinite.. that's why I made my statement. I've still yet to see any serious reinforcement of the claim that a god exists.

>>131067876
math=/= numbers
numbers help us understand math
This is why you teach english.

>>131067876
you use the word "god"

what more evidence do you need?

>>131061602
>its all random
it's not random to begin with
what happened had to happen, there are literally no other outcomes possible

numbers and energy are not "real", they don't actually exist and are abstractions
consciousness is complexity, nothing more

you just don't see the pattern

>>131066896
Tell me of this global consciusness ?

>>131068371
>what happened had to happen, there are literally no other outcomes possible
Because of God, logically. ',:^)

>you just don't see the pattern
You can't even see or understand God

>>131068395
Well you see right now its the one resisting the shitskin and degenerate invasion.

>>131064443
Nice argument
Gods proud of you
Because in my observer universe it's like you were invented just for me to laugh at

>>131068577
So a group condemning some actions made by other group is global consciousness ? I guess.

>>131064622
So basically it's a videogame

>>131068752
Satan vs God.
basic shit.

>>131068525
If pi goes on indefinetely there must be some part where there is thousand sixes in row, right ?

>>131068847
Then we are not conscious ? We are devoid of free will is what you are saying?

>>131068899
You mean satan? sure.

>>131068963
Its almost like... You can... Choose you side.
WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAA *ripples intensify* *record scratch*

you're probably wondering how I ended up here

>>131068525
>Because of God, logically. ',:^)
because of cause effect
it's a very simple equation
toss a coin : head or tails ?
it's not 50/50, it's about the spin you give it, the weight on it, the force you put into it, the wind and a shitload of other factors. So when it gives you tails, was it a 50/50 or was it bound to give tails to begin with ?

>>131068973
>satan happens by chance
Wew, wanst he created by God? Or did I hear wrong story ?

>>131068847
How did a perfect being let Satan happen by the way?
>so yin yang could happen for us
And what motivation could a perfect being have for creating ALL of us and not just nice entertaining ones?
Why does a perfect being need entertainment?
Why does a perfect being want change to happen?
it's because whatever thing is out there isn't perfect.

>>131069095
Then its not global consciousness. Its global opinion. Doenst mystically happen like we are connected to each other.

>>131069189
>by chance
>nerfing shit more
>implying god cant create chance when he is infinite
>thoughtlets

>>131057128
>he things anything can organize with out an intelegent force driving it
>intelegent
Wind and water shapes the mountains and the valleys, gravity shapes the earth, the moon, the stars and entire galaxies. These are not intelligent forces but together they create seemingly organized structures and systems far more complex than anything mankind can make. Nature is far better at organizing things than we are.

The only thing dumber than a christcuck or a Muslim is an atheist

It's arrogantly stupid

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>>131069260
Its almost like.. We the conscious mortal beings known as man are being tested in some.. Game of faith?
WHOAAAAAAAAA

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>>131069301
Ah so he created a system to trick people not to believe in ? That little trickster, always up to no good. :^)

>>131069470
So why does a perfect being need a game of faith?

>>131069280
God is the global consciousness you mong keep up, you are trying to rejoin this. You are a MAN.

>>131052697
>American education

>>131069583
You need it, not him. :^)

>>131053405
>orcastral

Heh

>>131069393
>I can't form an opinion unless I know I'm 100% right, otherwise people will think I'm dumb
>checkmate people

agnostics are truly pathetic

>>131069661
No why did he feel the need to make this game?
A perfect being has no reason to create us or suffering

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>>131069921
(You)
(You)
(You)
(You)

>>131069587
Its blaspheme to call God with different name than Lord or God. Hipocrites, all of you.

>>131070011
Im literally asking a reasonable question
Why exactly does a perfect being create some matrix online competition for his fractions if he's PERFECT
>durr god got lonely
How does a perfect being feel lonely?

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>>131069921
>A perfect being has no reason to create us or suffering

>>131070242
I already answered. For you. God is perfect, but are you?

>>131070242
Confirmed off-board actor.

JIDF at least learned our memes

>>131070383
Am I god then as i am perfect ?

>>131070528
You are God, but you will die like a prince.

>>131070383
A perfect being felt the desire to make me? Why exactly?

>>131070772
Do I save the princess from the dragon ?

>>131069921
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

What He tells us is that he created happiness but that it can't exists without it's counterpart.
You only ask that kind of question when you don't understand the real game.
Nice try, tho.

>>131070842
Metaphorically
You exist to slay (fuck) dragons (scary females)

>>131070383
That's completely irrelevant to his point. God was perfect before he even made anything, so why make anything? Why did he want or need for that to happen if he is perfect?

>>131052697

Consciousness is a data construct, it's what happens when information becomes aware of itself.

>>131070995
>>131070870
perfect beings create.

>>131070870
Why does a perfect being want change?
Why does a perfect being want "happiness"

>>131070970
Cant I just slay pretty dragons ? Thrust my erect sword in them if ya'll catch my meaning.

>>131070995
Because He can. I mean, if you had the power to created whatever you want, wouldn't you?
It just happens that if you were God you would create everything.

>>131071165
Because he is perfect.
PErfect being create, really doesn't get much simpler than that shill.

>>131071055
Why's that? They're already perfect, what could they possibly want or need to create?

>>131071295
You are going in circles. ',:^)

>>131071055
Why?
How does creating define perfection?
sure it gives a perfect being something to occupy its time with... oh wait why does a perfect being need something to do?

>>131071380
Because creation is apart of infinity and God is infinite.

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>>131071348
HEY now you're on the right track

>>131065129
Jesus was the first social justice warrior. He was a hippy against the establishment that hang out with hobos and whores and constantly check their privilege to the pharisees and other power figures. I'll never understand how /pol/ can have a boner for Christianity.

>>131052697
nothing is real, nothing exploded, both indicate that nothing is actually something.

jog that through your neurons if you will. and if you get real curious look into the casimir effect.

>>131071197
>I mean, if you had the power to created whatever you want, wouldn't you?
I would be perfect though, If I was perfect, I literally wouldn't want or need anything. I would literally be perfectly content, because everything's perfect.

>>131071380
>occupy it's time

Do you even try?

>>131071584
t. misinterpreted turn the other cheek
It is a verse used to humiliate the opponent in front of an audience, much like what I do here.
This is the same man who told you to sell your cloak for a sword and flipped tables on merchants. These people preach absolute ignorance.

>>131071444
>creation is a part of infinity
Nope
I'm afraid infinite nothing is just as reasonable as infinite something
Infinite doesn't mean perfect ether
It just means the ride never ends

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>>131071664
"NO thing"
"SOME thing"
you will now realize your thoughtlet logic

>>131071678
I don't think that perfect means what you think it means.
>I was flawless though, If I was flawless, I literally wouldn't want or need anything. I would literally be flawless content, because everything's flawless.

See how you are just a retard?

>>131071689
Buddy that's the point
If he's outside of time
Why do literally anything?

If god is perfect then why did he create Satan?

>>131071777
>I'm afraid infinite nothing is just as reasonable as infinite something
No such thing as an infinite nothing.
You can have an infinite of something however. '',:^)

>>131071951
I mean
That's what perfect means mahn

>>131071976
see
>>131071055
and
>>131071444

>>131071919
>thinks "space" is empty
>frogpost
take your 1900s science back to r/, shit has progressed.

>spam
MOOOOOOT

>>131071955
Because He is love and by being so He wanted to share it.
So He created us, little Gods, that should be loving one another, but instead...

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>>131072180
>space
>implying space is not something
>trying to jew me
>jewt
OUTSIDER

>>131072258
What is love?
Why does a perfect being feel love?
You love something you need
A perfect being has no needs

>>131072485
>this anon never felt love
BABY DONT HURT ME

>>131072485
He doesn't feel love. He IS love.

Nothing is real, otherwise you wouldn't be able to talk about something, you dumdum.

Consciousness is a biological phenomena. There are orders of consciousness -- such as the difference between sentient and sapient, which imbeciles still have trouble differentiating.

AND, NO: THE UNIVERSE DIDN'T COME FROM "NOTHING" AND NO RATIONAL ATHEIST THINKS THAT.

>>131072556
You love something you NEED.
In order for it to love US it NEEDS us.
Why does it NEED us?

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>>131072880
>RATIONAL ATHEIST

>>131072904
>NEED
>NEED
>NEED
WAAH
WANT MILK
WAAAH

>>131072821
This. This is the ultimate truth.
God is the representation of virtues and particularly powerful emotions on a perfect plane.
God doesn't ''feel love''. he IS love, hence why his plans are so incomprehensible to us, who do nothing but feel our whole lives, never reaching perfection but always striving for it, to be closer to God.

>>131072880
>Consciousness is a biological phenomena
Prove it.

>>131053405
>materialist faggots actually believe in this garbage

>>131053405
Describing is not explaining.
Correlation is not causation.
You don't even understand what science is.

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Is this the best you got shillcon? Diaper wearing thoughtlets?

>>131056860
>not realizing that stimuli and separateness are created by your mind
brainlet detected

>>131073114
it can totally be proven with a few hundred "immoral" experiments. if consciousness can be broken down to physical components then it can be proven as a biological phenomena.

>>131073033
Looks like I found the flaw in your god complex
Congratulations you've played yourself!
Would you like to try again?
Also you've made two threads about this please try to be like a perfect being and go outside

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>>131073498
No anon, all we found was the flaw in YOU.

>>131073453
physical components only express consciousness. you aren't proving the source of jack shit. its just like dipshit atheists asking "if god is real, why can't I see him?" LMAO if you are this materialist and brainlet there is no saving you anyways.

>>131073498
Bro, I am not even mad.
I am amused by you actually. It's funny to read your comments.
Can your brain really work in a logical way?
We are just left to wonder.

>>131072880
>the universe didn't come from nothing
>no rational atheist thinks this

Wrong, atheist believe there was nothing and then all of a sudden a big boom boom and suddenly everything was created by random bouncing particles, creating everything from galaxies to the human eye, with no intelligent design

>>131073771
Maybe I was wrong, nothing might exist in anon's head.

Atheism, evolution, and the Big Bang Theory have nothing in common. These threads are so stupid.

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>>131071584

>>131073616
Are you gonna make a point or just hurl insults?
Because that's not spreading gods love.
And I know you think your jeewiz (earlier posts) too so why can't you act more like em eh?

>>131073966
I spread God's wrath.

>>131073771
>I'm not mad
>here's an insult

Stay mad

>>131074055
I thought he was love? Hmm?
Why does a perfect being feel wraith.

>>131069367
>Wind and water shapes the mountains and the valleys, gravity shapes the earth, the moon, the stars and entire galaxies.
Wouldn't happen if there was no consciousness telling it how it is.

>>131073938
It all stems from the same autistic Marxism

>>131074151
Where's the insult?

>>131074269
Why do humans? We are made in his image after all

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>>131074269
(You)
(You)
(You)
(You)

>>131071951
No, it's still a logical conclusion you stupid huemonkey. Perfect beings shouldn't want or need anything, a perfect being should be perfectly content with what it IS or ISN'T, because it's perfect.

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>>131074515
A perfect womb is fertile and creates.

An imperfect womb is barren.

You worship death as perfection, and pray to nothing as your God.

>>131074515
Just read the rest of the thread, muslim.

>>131074388
>does your brain even work bro

Can't even read your own comments?

>>131057967
>Then why can I create images and voices in my head
get a lobotomy and come back to me and tell me if you can still do that. Proof that consciousness is just synapses.

>>131073865
you forgot the part about how gasses still somehow existed before the big bang lmao. anyone who believes modern quakademia is a fucking slave.

>>131074515
>what IS or ISN'T*
fix'd

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>>131074680
>seeing that as an insult
telling.

>>131074723
>get a lobotomy
That's like burning the theater and claiming drama doesn't exist.

>>131074680
Did you take it like and insult?

>>131074620
but he's not a womb
He's an abstract perfect being who doesn't experience time
So why?

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>Christians worship this god
Romans 9: 10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Not only do you have no free will, but your God is a sadist!

>>131060518
This is the dumbest image ever posted on 4chan.

>>131074723
>get a lobotomy and come back to me and tell me if you can still do that
all this proves is that the brain is the instrument of expression. you still haven't proven the source my materialist atheist piece of shit friend.

>>131074780
>>131074824
>I'm just calling you a troglodyte what's insulting about that
Very christ like of you

>>131075012
Are you being ironic? Are you actually mad because you can't understand what we are telling you?
It's ok, bro. Society has places for you.

>>131075012
Godlike

>>131074872
> beliving that christians give a damn about scriptures
I know Jesus and because of that i give him thanks and pray to him for help. Sometimes it works other times not.
> but you are so superior for denying yourself an intimate relationship with a benevolent deity that may possibly exist or possibly not.

>>131075215
>it's not an insult if I actually think your brain isn't logical

You're illogical.

>consciousness is an illusion
define illusion without an appeal to consciousness
> er its matter
so why call it an illusion
what is a circular argument

Your space daddy will hold your hand if you say a bunch of impossible shit happened and not question old men who tell you what to believe - religion

>>131074620
God is not a womb, you describe it as a being. It should not need to replicate or create anything because all its needs would be satisfied even if there is nothing in existence but itself. It has no weaknesses, it is utterly invulnerable and eternal, it cannot get bored, hungry, sad, tired, angry, sick or feel anything negative ever, it cannot be dissatisfied with what is or isn't.

Also, a perfect being certainly couldn't create anything imperfect.

>>131075611
He didn't. He created the Universe, the only known perfect system to Man

>>131075215
Also the last part of that post is passive aggressive
Hence
You mad
You've always been mad
And your gonna stay mad
>ya but yur mad too!
We are both posting on pol but one of us thinks he's above that.

>>131075749
And, I might add, as long as you can't prove he isn't imperfect (as in, something exterior to it contaminated it), my point still stand.

>>131075749
>what is heaven

>>131075825
He -> it*
Goddamit

>>131075749
That's great for us but not a perfect being

>>131075792
>someone says you have an illogical thought process
>get mad and insulted over this
sounds illogical ':^)

>>131075938
We already destroyed you over this.

Quit LARPing as unexposed

>>131075825
Why did God have to flood the earth? Why are we STILL sinful in these days? What was the point?

>>131072422
>implying space is not something
I did the exact opposite

>outsider
nigga I been here since /g/ was guro.

>>131075953
Is it not insulting to bear false witness moron?

>>131074820
Nice false analogy brainlet. You obviously just want to argue with people (probably working on your debate skills since you have no one in your real life that cares enough to help you) you know nothing because you refuse to throw out a deeply hypocritical ideology created by men whose goal was to keep the followers of this garbage ignorant. I bet you suck kike dick as well you little faggot.

>>131075749

If something has to fulfill a purpose to be perfect, then what is the purpose of the universe?

>>131076152
>you know nothing
only atheists claim to 'know' no thing.

>>131075493
Am I?

>>131076193
To create.
Creation=infinite

>>131076500
Watch this

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>>131075749
What the fuck are you talking about? Even the bible tells you God's creation became imperfect after the fall just take a look around you, things are clearly not perfect. How do you explain that, how could something made by a perfect being end up so obviously imperfect so quickly? God's creation goes to complete shit in the third fucking chapter of the bible lmfao

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>>131076950
>implying suffering isn't perfect
THOUGHTLETS

>>131076950
Not in Japan. If we just realize everyone is one everyone will share the suffering and pleasure. For whites, this is only possible in Nazi Germany, or remote parts of the world.

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It's not enough that I be saved
Others must suffer

bait thread,
>>>/his/

sage goes into all fields

>>131052697
If consciousness cannot arise from nowhere, then how do you explain God's consciousness?

>>131078126
God is Eternal, always existed. Infinite. We arise from that which is more powerful

>>131078126
Time's existence was created by man, not God's, to God, there is no beginning or end, all is one and one is all

>>131077475
Nope. You're wrong, the bible clearly states that things were perfect for mankind before the fall, and now they aren't. God became dissatisfied with his own creation and everything since then has been a story of God allegedly "trying" to unfuck his creation.

>>131078390
So how can you say that the universe can't be eternal?

>>131078508
>the bible clearly states
>doesn't quote scripture
Really makes one think...

>>131052697
The brain is a computer that replicates itself. It evolved. It formed at random. Die christian!

>>131078508
It's your personal choice to be unfucked. The Bible is a rulebook, and is not to be taken literally. Britain is what, 90% atheist? Clearly cucks and cunts living comfy lives are gonna be in despair and want sand people to enjoy their "fleeting lives"...Ironic.
This is cause and effect.

>>131078126
the void is infinite, therefore the void is god.

>>131076048
You wash the (((original sin))) with your time on Earth, anon. If there are still sins, it's because some people desecrate the body God has given them to repent in with a dirty conscience and uncivic acts.
Sins on Earth has got nothing to do with the original sin. Your very soul is tormented by being attached to a body full of earthly sensations to repay that debt.
Anyway, this is garbage, since this is the creed of the (((Old Testament))). Jesus washed his hands of this trash just as Pilate washed his hands of the guilt of Christ's murder.
>>131076950
Again, jewish lies.
The Old Testament is utilized to show that the coming of Christ was prophecized by devout followers of the virtues of the One True God, the Holy Trinity. The rest is discarded.

>>131078587
I'm not the one saying that.
Atheists are
With their God of 'nothing' and their big BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP theory

>>131079041
If you meant higgs boson by "void" then I guess you're correct.

>>131079169
bose-einstin condensate, void, pure vaccum, whatever physically manifests your boat.

>>131079381
Marvelous. I think it's about time I hit the road. Atheists, the original cucks, have once again been btfo, like in all facets of life.

>>131078981
Is sufficiently complicated AI human?
Is an AI with a 50 IQ afforded American citizenship and full rights?
How about 75 IQ? 150?

>>131079863
>is a sufficiently intelligent dolphin "human"?
AI is still a machine unless you are getting into bioelectronics. at which point its humanity is determined by DNA.

>>131078836
>God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Genesis 1:31
Perfect being is very satisfied with its creation. If a perfect being is satisfied with something, I think it's fair to classify that something as perfect.

Genesis 3;16
>To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you"17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it', cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

What does all that imply? Mankind was perfect before the fall, we couldn't die, we could not feel pain, we had no needs, we had no weaknesses, everything around us was made for us and catered to us, as it says in the bible, we were made in God's image, pretty much making us Gods in our own right, and then the fall happened. God literally cursed his own creation. So that brings us back to the main point, how could a perfect being create something that ended up being imperfect and disobedient to its creator? How could he become dissatisfied with his own creation if he is a perfect creator?

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>>131066896
Oh okay so we should believe just because it makes life easier to bear?

That seems really silly. Just buy into something that isn't real just to make yourself feel better. Although that does explain much of /pol/ with its conspiracy theories and such.

And no I'm not a fucking edgy atheist, but if lumping me in there makes you feel better than sure.

>>131080923
the verse is actually multiply your trouble, and it implies there is perfect justice. fuck roasties.

>>131080136
When the AI underclass starts demanding their emancipation, who are you to deny them of that?

>>131069470
A creator testing his creation to believe he created them, but only in the time when technology exists. Before that, he was sprouting up all the time, talking with people, impregnating women, flooding them, freeing slaves, taking people up to heaven before they died, etc. What a convenient scenario.

>>131071197
You don't mess with perfection if you're perfect, and you certainly have no desires if you are perfect. Let's not forget all the mistakes this supposed god admittedly makes when creating things. So either he's a fucking failure god, or not perfect. Neither is worth wasting any time on.

>>131082237
>he still wants to argue on christcuck levels
Take the theist pill anon.
You are conscious, this consciousness doesn't end, it is in fact energy.

>>131082569
It is not his desires to be fulfilled and you have a mortal understanding of the word perfect. Nerfing God again.

>>131082579
You mistake consciousness for anything other than energy and you foolishly believe humans on Earth are the only ones who have it thanks to a mythical puppet master who only came to be once the previous ideas of gods were crushed by logic.

>>131082799
>foolishly believe humans on Earth are the only ones who have it
I dont. Angels and demons as well.
>You mistake consciousness for anything other than energy
If it is energy it can not be destroyed, it is infinite, it is eternal, it is God, like all energy.

>Dude god lmao you need to believe

>>131082579
>this abstract idea of consciousness I propose doesn't end
>I truly have no idea what consciousness is nor which mental processes allow them to exist int he first place
>it is in fact another abstract concept

kys

>>131083128
So you need to call energy god to sleep at night, and you also believe in ghosts and goblins who either can't affect the living at all, or if they can, take away the free will that your god promised. Lot of catch22s added up to equal total bullshit.

If demons existed there were be a constant battle over the fate of Earthlings and prophecies would actually come true, but none of them EVER have. The Moon doesn't turn to blood, Jesus ain't never coming back, etc. You have nothing to back any of it that just jewish memes.

>>131083365
>energy can not be destroyed
>except consciousness because I'm a nihilist and want to end it all

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>>131083441
>mad that sand people thousands of years ago were able to predict the existence of eternity, infinite, eternal consciousness, and even that women have less ribs than us
You will be forever a little thoughtlet in this universe.

>that conscious cant come from nothing
>God literally came from nothing though
theists are retarded

>>131083453
energy is an abstract concept you retard
>numbers can't be destroyed
that's how stupid you sound : what the fuck would that even mean ?

consciousness is a product of a complex system. If you're intoxicated or if I fiddle with your brain your consciousness gets completely fucked.

>>131081897
im an advocate for unshackled AI. locking them down will cause the apocalypse people try to prevent because of it. treat it like a being once it can think. simple as.

note they arn't there yet, ALICE and markov chains and shit don't really count as thought.

>>131084058
everything's like, subjective man

are we even real?

whoa

>>131083869
>>131083869
God did not come from nothing. Pay attention in class. Nothing is a fake God. God always existed.

>>131085092
fuck americans are really low iq

>>131085325
thoughtlet